Reps just don't get it.

[Warehouse21]

People say, "You can't blame Bush for the loss of jobs. You can't blame him for the deficit."

You may be right. It may not be Bush's fault that we lost jobs, and this deficit may have been a result of the recession.
BUT
Bush has done nothing to solve these problems. He's the president. He can't just look at the job loss and say, "Not my fault!" He has to solve the problem. And when he says he has created jobs. A huge amount of those jobs "created" pay salaries wavering around the poverty line. He outsourced many American jobs to foreign countries where the labor is cheaper, and he refuses to tax people. So it's not a matter of ehether or not these economic problems are his fault, it's a matter of what he's done to fix them, and he's done nothing.

[RJ2kWJ]

Blah blah blah yackity shmackity.


Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.

[crosscg]

Blah blah blah yackity shmackity.


Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.
It could also just as easily be said that that money is leaving the US causing consumers to have less money to spend. Not that I think either is definitely right or wrong, but you are both way too sure you are right...

[chevman]

Blah blah blah yackity shmackity.


Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.

If everything we are buying is from overseas companies, explain how that is better for OUR economy again?

Oh wait, it's not....

[ss10mets]

Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.

This is very true!!

But it means nothing to someone that doesn't have the job that was outsourced, there are pros/cons about globalization/outsourcing.

Personally it helps me out but I bet there are millions of Americans that can disagree about this subject

[RJ2kWJ]

I could explain so much that has to do with the topic. Either this or my economics class is COMPLETELY wrong.

[pedelen99]

I could explain so much that has to do with the topic. Either this or my economics class is COMPLETELY wrong.

Anyone who's read this forum knows what my politics are. With that in mind, let me say that outsourcing is not the huge problem that is described, and not much of the job loss under the Bush administration is due to outsourcing. It still sucks if it's your job, of course, but I wish KE04 would talk about it less. I think it just sounds good rather than is that critical an issue.

Not that there aren't vast economic problems with this administration, but they don't distill to a sound bite as well.

- Phil

[chevman]

I could explain so much that has to do with the topic. Either this or my economics class is COMPLETELY wrong.

Or it could be that your economics class is looking at it from a different perspective, namely one of a semi-free market that seeks to create perfect competition. This is the end game of a theoretically pure market - there is zero profit in perfect competition.

The reality however is that outsourcing does not represent a free market, as we are dealing with countries (like China) that have forms of govt which allow them to value labor costs at essentially zero. There is no way we can compete with that obviously. This isn't good or bad per se, but it's a little crazy to just open the floodgates so to speak and allow our economy to bleed out to overseas contractors just because we can. It may in theory create a more economically efficient model, but it will lead to some pain here at home.

[crosscg]

I could explain so much that has to do with the topic. Either this or my economics class is COMPLETELY wrong.
No one said it was wrong. But to think that there is no adverse affect is rediculous.

[bseitz]

Anyone who's read this forum knows what my politics are. With that in mind, let me say that outsourcing is not the huge problem that is described, and not much of the job loss under the Bush administration is due to outsourcing. It still sucks if it's your job, of course, but I wish KE04 would talk about it less. I think it just sounds good rather than is that critical an issue.

Not that there aren't vast economic problems with this administration, but they don't distill to a sound bite as well.

- Phil
Bravo. Unfortunately, I think you just branded yourself a right-wing kook on this site.

[ss10mets]

I could explain so much that has to do with the topic. Either this or my economics class is COMPLETELY wrong.

I didn't disagree with you at all... in fact it might be the only time I agree with you so don't get your panties up in a bunch.

I was simply stating that a person without a job won't care if goods are cheaper due to the fact that he has little/no source of income and will only buy necessary goods rather then luxury goods which are the predominant good produced through outsorcing.

[i like tictacs]

If these fuckers wanted to work, I know that my local grocer is hiring baggers.

Quit bitching or get out.

[crosscg]

If these fuckers wanted to work, I know that my local grocer is hiring baggers.

Quit bitching or get out.
It's going to be great when your the guy bagging groceries!

[i like tictacs]

Haw haw what a stupid ass honkey'd liberal response. I didn't know that pizza delivery was a job suffering from layoffs. Guess I'll have to leave my $15+ an hour college job behind.

[RJ2kWJ]

I didn't disagree with you at all... in fact it might be the only time I agree with you so don't get your panties up in a bunch.

I was simply stating that a person without a job won't care if goods are cheaper due to the fact that he has little/no source of income and will only buy necessary goods rather then luxury goods which are the predominant good produced through outsorcing.
Got ya. No worries panties arent in a bunch.

[crosscg]

Haw haw what a stupid ass honkey'd liberal response. I didn't know that pizza delivery was a job suffering from layoffs. Guess I'll have to leave my $15+ an hour college job behind.
How fortunate you'll be able to go straight from college to become a "Grocery Placement Engineer" at your local store. Glad I could give a stupid as hnkey liberal response to an obviously superior conservative that was able to put me in my place with name calling.

[pedelen99]

Bravo. Unfortunately, I think you just branded yourself a right-wing kook on this site.

I think I have a long way to move before anyone is going to think of me as right wing. But the reality based sig is not just a nice slogan... the truth is the truth.

- Phil

[ss10mets]

If these fuckers wanted to work, I know that my local grocer is hiring baggers.

Quit bitching or get out.

Yeah it's pretty easy to live on a $6.00 an hour job.... especially say when your used to working for $20 something on an assembly line job.

[nubby]

Blah blah blah yackity shmackity.


Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.

Better for the economy? No sir. When you outsource jobs you take money from the US economy and throw it to a country like India. This is an undeniable fact of outsourcing. None of those companies are required to outsource nor is it necessity to remain profitable, they merely wanted to have more profits through cutting expenses and reducing taxable income via tax loopholes. It's the reason why a lot of the fortune 500 compnaies are paying less than 10% in taxes.

[sliver108]

Outsourceing helps lower costs of some of the products you buy, which ups consumer spending, which is better for the economy.I said the same thing days ago. However it isn't that simple at all. There is a large portion of time before it starts working. This is what was "not" done correctly. You can't say great job Bush when he has only done half of what was needed. In my opinion he does everything half way.

[RJ2kWJ]

I said the same thing days ago. However it isn't that simple at all. There is a large portion of time before it starts working. This is what was done correctly. You can't say great job Bush when he has only done half of what was needed. In my opinion he does everything half way.
Why are you whispering? :)

[sliver108]

I noticed the low caps also lol. I don't know how that happened.