So, do you think we're going to know our fate tomorrow night?

[angelces]

Or do you think that it's going to be too close to tell again until january? Or do you think there will be some kind of electorial hold up in announcing a winner? And if either candidate wins by actual votes but not electorial votes do you think that will have an impact on getting rid of the electorial college?

Discuss.

[Mark]

as close as the poll are, i don't think there a hope in hell of a clean outcome

[RJ2kWJ]

Or do you think that it's going to be too close to tell again until january? Or do you think there will be some kind of electorial hold up in announcing a winner? And if either candidate wins by actual votes but not electorial votes do you think that will have an impact on getting rid of the electorial college?

Discuss.
OMG I think it will take a WHILE to know who our next POTUS is. We wont see another "same night" like 1996 for a while.

[greppson]

they already said colorado's votes wouldn't be getting in til wednesday cause they still use paper ballots.

so, if it is close, at least not until wednesday!

[WJM-WJM]

as close as the poll are, i don't think there a hope in hell of a clean outcome

I agree. After last time, it would take a small miracle to have a clean decision late tomorrow night. Even if one candidate clearly has the numbers in their favor, the other side will make all kinds of allegations about misconduct. Actually has a lot of potential to worse than the last go around.

[Rob]

If Bush loses again, I'm sure we could see some serious bullshit holding up the process.

[pedelen99]

From USA Today:

Bill Binning, a political scientist at Youngstown State University who has been active in Republican politics, says he believes Kerry has a chance of winning Ohio. But he adds: "I don't know if it's going to be within the margin of litigation."

Margin of litigation??

- Phil

[WJM-WJM]

If Bush loses again, I'm sure we could see some serious bullshit holding up the process.


Yeah, if Kerry loses, I'm sure all of his supporters will just tip their hat and go on their way. I doubt there would be any "bullshit holding up the process."

:rolleyes:

[opiskelija]

and to think that people were upset because they thought the OSCE had no grounds concerning the observation of our election...

[angelces]

I was trying to keep the rep/dem conservative/liberal talk out of it.

I think it's gonna come down to counting and recounting and I think there's gonna be allegations on both sides about fixing and fraud. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the dust to settle.

[jrock5730]

I think its going to take a while to figure this one out, and its a shame that its like this.

[MelissaDMBfan]

No, I do not think we will know who the winner will be.

[seekupig]

i'm probably in the minority, but i think we will know tomorrow night or early wednesday morning. i don't think it's going to be as close as people think. just my opinion.

[crosscg]

I know who the loser will be. US. There is no winning this one for us.

[siserilla]

I think it's going to be a very close election. My professor called it one of the most important elections of our lifetime.

[AnyonebutBush]

as close as the poll are, i don't think there a hope in hell of a clean outcomeThe polls are close when polling likely votes that voted in 2000. But a poll taken place yesturday among the 16% that voted early in South Florida had Kerry at 56% to Bush's 39%.......Now thats a poll that matters.

[WJM-WJM]

The polls are close when polling likely votes that voted in 2000. But a poll taken place yesturday among the 16% that voted early in South Florida had Kerry at 56% to Bush's 39%.......Now thats a poll that matters.

It matters, to the extent that people who vote early are representative of the state of Florida as a whole. Which there is probably no evidence of. I doubt it will be 56/39 in FL.

"Among the 16%" not sure what that means, did 16% of the registered voters in south FL vote early and that is who voted 56/39.

[clemson357]

If Bush loses again.....

you are such an idiot. I am really tired of hearing about that bullshit conspiracy theory, and so is everyone else. atleast if Bush loses, no one will ever have a reason to bring that retarded shit up again

[clemson357]

and no, I don't think we will know tomorrow night. all the nut cases will come out of the woodwork and scream CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

[crosscg]

and no, I don't think we will know tomorrow night. all the nut cases will come out of the woodwork and scream CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!
That is a fact. It doesn't matter which side wins, as close as this one is either way it goes we are going to hear about the conspiracies for another 4 years. If Kerry wins it'll be a bunch of hipocritical conservatives who have been bitching about the liberal whining coming out with thier BS. If you think thats bad imaging the liberals having twice as much to cry about. There is no winning this election.

[Fluff]

going to be a close one.....bush 2004

[greychris]

If Bush loses again, I'm sure we could see some serious bullshit holding up the process.

But Bush didn't lose...I don't get it. He's President, he won. Accept the electoral college and be happy your forefathers had enough insight not to trust people too much.

[chellek23]

Re: that FL vote... I heard (but can't validate yet) that the exit pollsters actually assigned votes to a lot of people that actually refused to comment on whom they had voted for. How can anyone make an assumption by guessing what these silent voters decided?

Aside from that there is no way that any candidate will win by that margin. Not possible, the state has never been that one sided to any party, that's why its a battleground state.

[angelces]

But Bush didn't lose...I don't get it. He's President, he won. Accept the electoral college and be happy your forefathers had enough insight not to trust people too much.
that's absolutely assinine, they had the electorial college because there was no way to count the votes of all the people in time to announce a winner when everything was done on HORSEBACK. it was a means of a select few representing the people as a whole because they could not represent themselves. Now votes are tabulated instantly. It's an archiac system and has nothing to do with "trusting the people"

[chellek23]

that's absolutely assinine, they had the electorial college because there was no way to count the votes of all the people in time to announce a winner when everything was done on HORSEBACK. it was a means of a select few representing the people as a whole because they could not represent themselves. Now votes are tabulated instantly. It's an archiac system and has nothing to do with "trusting the people"
That is not the reason behind the electoral college. If you read any of the writings of the time and did some studying of why the Electoral College was created you would find that the reasoning behind it was to create a system by which the small states actually had a voice in choosing the President. Soon after its implementation all but a state or two allocated the Electoral Vote by popular vote. So the votes were still counted. It did take longer but that's why the inaguration wasn't until April (I think?) of the following year. It still does exactly what it was meant to do.

[CornellDMBfan]

shouldn't be called Election "Day" anymore . . .

[bseitz]

that's absolutely assinine, they had the electorial college because there was no way to count the votes of all the people in time to announce a winner when everything was done on HORSEBACK. it was a means of a select few representing the people as a whole because they could not represent themselves. Now votes are tabulated instantly. It's an archiac system and has nothing to do with "trusting the people"
An obvious victim of public school education...

[RJ2kWJ]

An obvious victim of public school education...
I dunno I went to public HS and STILL dont think that haha.

[bseitz]

I dunno I went to public HS and STILL dont think that haha.
Some of us managed to escape with a decent education. Others apparently weren't so lucky.

[RaynorC]

Kerry will lose, cry like a whiny bitch, and drag it out forever.

[dmblynny]

I was trying to keep the rep/dem conservative/liberal talk out of it.

I think it's gonna come down to counting and recounting and I think there's gonna be allegations on both sides about fixing and fraud. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the dust to settle.:thumbsup I think no matter who wins, one is going to cry recount somewhere and we won't know who won until weeks, if not months from now. Damn American politics...

[crosscg]

An obvious victim of public school education...
Where did you go to school Mr. Superior?

[bseitz]

Where did you go to school Mr. Superior?
Public school back in the day when high school graduates learned more than most College graduates do today.

[angelces]

you think people learn less now then they used too?

interesting.

[bseitz]

you think people learn less now then they used too?

interesting.
You have high school kids working in stores who can't even make change. And given the level of ignorance of economics, government, and a whole host of other subjects, I'd have to say that's true.

[WJM-WJM]

Watching Dan Rather & Co. earlier, I heard the ACLU has already joined a lawsuit regarding absentee ballots in Florida. Apparently, 2500 +/- absentee ballots were mailed out too late (in their opinion). Everyone may not received them for 2 weeks.

[greychris]

that's absolutely assinine, they had the electorial college because there was no way to count the votes of all the people in time to announce a winner when everything was done on HORSEBACK. it was a means of a select few representing the people as a whole because they could not represent themselves. Now votes are tabulated instantly. It's an archiac system and has nothing to do with "trusting the people"

You're kidding me, right? How does your explaination explain how the system is the way it is? I'm missing how not being able to count all the votes has anything to do with your story. You still have to count the votes to determine a winner in the Electoral College. Check out your U.S. History and get an idea of what times and ideas were like during the Revolutionary period. Explain how a system is established in which the loser could still manage to win a majority of the popular vote. At any rate, check out your U.S. History, because it's alarming I know more about your country's history than you. There were 4 processes that your forefathers had to decide upon, one of them being election by popular vote. Unfortunately, the framers doubted that the people would have sufficient information about candidates from outside their State, opting to vote for a "favorite son" from their own State or region. Go ahead, check it out.

[RJ2kWJ]

Well I think we will know if we stay up late or might get a clue when we wake up tomorrow morning. This is going better than I thought.

[WJM-WJM]

Another commentator with Dan Rather - it will definitely be 'at least' tomorrow before we know in FL.

[angelces]

well we don't know for sure. and no I don't consider one party declaring a victory a winner until everyone gets counted.