The state of the DVD trading community

[mxz440fan]

After the fall of the groove many people were disillusioned by their trading scene being shreaded. It seemed most people forgot what trading was about. Sharing the groove. That's why we all started out in this game. To share. Now I can't go in a thread in the trading sections of each board without reading negative comments about someone.
I'll admit it, I don't like Craig Bromley, and I tend to let that be known. He's a bad seed in the community. However, lately, it seems everyone has been a Craig Bromley. Everyone's forgotten the brotherhood of traders that was so rampant on the groove.
Lately, I'd been working closely with Bernard to be able to bring new and rare releases, but have only had the time to share with everyone 2 such releases. I can't say I'll ever agree with hoarding, but right now I truly understand its reasons and may have recently turned to the darkside so to say.
I know I'm one of the bad guys. Hell, I'm the first guy to tell you I'm an asshole. I know that made me hard to work with, but a couple great guys (eric, ryan, bernard, and "bob" and countless others) helped me get to where I wanted to be. I saw a quote one time that went along the lines of "It's lonely at the top, but you eat better." And its true. When you are getting the top guys on your side you start getting hooked up with a lot more a lot quicker. However, you recieve a lot of scorn from the rest of the community. I noticed this with the 7.10.04 dvd.
People were complaining about how it was shaky, or their was too many transitions. Whatever happened to "Thanks, I'll treasure it because its the best we've got"? Whatever happend to thanking those people that brought you that video (Bernard and Jordan)? Whatever happened to people civilally discussing the triumph that is bootleg video?
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, "who is this n00b to tell us this"...who would you rather it come from? How long do you as a community want to wait until you see yourself in shambles. The only reason DVD trading isn't shut down or condemmed by DMB is because of us. The community.
Its about time we start pulling together instead of tearing each other apart. I know I've pissed a lot of people off, and I'm truly sorry to all those people. However, I've never held a grudge against any trader because of something they've said or done* (take me and Mike Gleason, for example :p).
Don't be so quick to judge people. If you're new to the scene, ask for guidance, plenty of people are willing to help. If you make a mistake, ask for forgiveness, you will be forgiven. If you have a bad trade, talk to the trader, don't assume they're trying to screw you. And most importantly, respect the tapers and authors. They're putting their asses on the line to bring you these great videos, the least you can do is thank them.

*except C.B.

[gravedigger2424]

Thanks For the low down.....It helps everyone get in line

[phil123]

that was beautiful :thumbsup

I agree with alan....lets get this trading community back in order, and appreciate all that we have.

[yin_yang]

stop the Bromley-bashing, but yeah good point overall :thumbsup

[mosvar]

After the fall of the groove many people were disillusioned by their trading scene being shreaded. It seemed most people forgot what trading was about. Sharing the groove. That's why we all started out in this game. To share. Now I can't go in a thread in the trading sections of each board without reading negative comments about someone.
I'll admit it, I don't like Craig Bromley, and I tend to let that be known. He's a bad seed in the community. However, lately, it seems everyone has been a Craig Bromley. Everyone's forgotten the brotherhood of traders that was so rampant on the groove.
Lately, I'd been working closely with Bernard to be able to bring new and rare releases, but have only had the time to share with everyone 2 such releases. I can't say I'll ever agree with hoarding, but right now I truly understand its reasons and may have recently turned to the darkside so to say.
I know I'm one of the bad guys. Hell, I'm the first guy to tell you I'm an asshole. I know that made me hard to work with, but a couple great guys (eric, ryan, bernard, and "bob" and countless others) helped me get to where I wanted to be. I saw a quote one time that went along the lines of "It's lonely at the top, but you eat better." And its true. When you are getting the top guys on your side you start getting hooked up with a lot more a lot quicker. However, you recieve a lot of scorn from the rest of the community. I noticed this with the 7.10.04 dvd.
People were complaining about how it was shaky, or their was too many transitions. Whatever happened to "Thanks, I'll treasure it because its the best we've got"? Whatever happend to thanking those people that brought you that video (Bernard and Jordan)? Whatever happened to people civilally discussing the triumph that is bootleg video?
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, "who is this n00b to tell us this"...who would you rather it come from? How long do you as a community want to wait until you see yourself in shambles. The only reason DVD trading isn't shut down or condemmed by DMB is because of us. The community.
Its about time we start pulling together instead of tearing each other apart. I know I've pissed a lot of people off, and I'm truly sorry to all those people. However, I've never held a grudge against any trader because of something they've said or done* (take me and Mike Gleason, for example :p).
Don't be so quick to judge people. If you're new to the scene, ask for guidance, plenty of people are willing to help. If you make a mistake, ask for forgiveness, you will be forgiven. If you have a bad trade, talk to the trader, don't assume they're trying to screw you. And most importantly, respect the tapers and authors. They're putting their asses on the line to bring you these great videos, the least you can do is thank them.

*except C.B.

One band and one word to all of this

Tool

anyone who has and does try to trade them may realize how nice it is to have the quality videos that r out there and to have generous folsk willing to share at the drop of a hat .


watch a 1994 area show from Tool and that will make the 07.10.2004 dvd look like proshot and sound like it to .

That is why i never complain even abt things like TAO . I am happy to just get the music and share it .

Seriously I was long time Tool trader and anyone who has done that knows what I am talking about


sorry this is the state of affairs here

[Ben F.]

What are we supposed to get out of that again?

[Halloween]

There are also alot of us who never used STG or any other bit torrent method to download dvd files. Many of us do it the old fashioned way and I think that's the way it should be. There would be alot less complaints and assholes if these shows weren't so easily available to anybody without any interaction between people.

I've been trading for over 6 years now, I started with tapes in '98 and most recently with dvds in January. Every show that I have on my dvd list (listed in sig) I have gotten through trades and b&ps. I offer alot of b&ps almost every week and I'm trying to make those connections to be a good spot with some key tapers/traders, but it's so hard to get into those "circles". Oh well, I ramble.

I've got some solid people that I trade with and we hook each other up with new shows. And we appreciate everything that is made available to us and never complain. I just choose to ignore the little shits who feel they have a right to complain about a show, I just wish that the tapers/traders wouldn't take it so personally and stop spreading the things that they do. A few complaints here and there from idiots shouldn't prevent the rest of us from having the opportunity to enjoy and appreciate seeing great dvds. :)

Ian

[mosvar]

Me ben?

[Ben F.]

Me ben?
no, Alan.

[fliggil]

I miss STG, I'm probably considered newer to this whole scene than most, I joined in about a year and a half ago and I've loved it, helping out with trees, put a few dvd's out myself, I just wish it would start coming together like last year, everyone was so generous in helping me get started, I've tried doing my best to give back what's been given to me but it seems like there isn't that same stability in the base of the community, I think we should work to rebuild what we had rather than emphasize the dwell on the past.

[taylordb]

Right on Ian!!
I am primarily involved in the trading scene over at DMBTabs (I am one of the moderators of the trading forum) but do venture out now and then to the rest of the world. For what it is worth, here are my viewpoints (and I hope I don’t ramble):

Some time ago, a person (Will) was kind enough to do my first DVD B&P for me. I was a complete virgin…I had never traded audio or video before….a newbie. I did not know what I was doing…did not know how to ask for something…and did not read the FAQ’s (gasp!). All I knew is that I loved the live DMB experience.

I was blown away when the DVD arrived. Although the show was good, that is not what blew me away; someone who did not know me from Adam took his own valuable time and put wear and tear on his burner to get me a show so that I may enjoy it. He was glad to do it and wanted absolutely nothing in return. I don’t want to overstate it, but that one simple act of kindness definitely left an impression on me. That is my definition of community, pure and simple.

I GREATLY prefer to get shows the old fashion way…through B&P’s and trading. Why? Because I like the relationships it builds. Although I do get some shows via Bit Torrent, it is not my method of choice. I like going to my mailbox and finding a “Christmas present” in November. And I like mailing them out to others. I like the relationships I have made through trading.

If I have a show I will share it. I will give more than I take….always. I am thankful for the shows that are offered. I don’t NEED any show. To the best of my ability, I will respond to and treat others in a respectful way. I will not crucify someone because they ask about a show…if I can’t answer them in a helpful way, I will pass over the post. I will always try to make new people feel welcome. I am not better than anyone else. If getting the newest shows means that I have to go against those principles, then I’ll stick with the shows I have...I will still have fun sending them off to others.

People in communities support one another. People in communities share. People in communities are in relationship with each other. Most importantly, people in communities treat each other with kindness and respect. The responsibility of building and maintaining a community lies with each of us.

Sorry for the long post.

[yin_yang]

but bittorrents are soo much easier, how can you like waiting 3 weeks for a show you can get in 2 days? i just simply dont get it. :/ sorry.

[greppson]

but bittorrents are soo much easier, how can you like waiting 3 weeks for a show you can get in 2 days? i just simply dont get it. :/ sorry.
because THAT interaction is how this fan base was built. that's why there even IS a community, cause you usually had to trade or b&p for shows, not just download them anonymously.

[Ben F.]

Bit torrents are so impersonal. It's all about leeching and how much you've uploaded. Everything is very anonymous. Plus once the torrent is dead that's the end of that.
Bit torrents also leave out the dial-up user. Alienating a section of the community has never been a goal of the community.

B+P's are interactive, gives you a chance to write a personal note to someone, issue a thanks. It's kinda like the 'old school' of the trading community. It's becoming less and less prominent due to advances in technology, but it's still the classic, respected way of doing things.

[Crumbo]

but bittorrents are soo much easier, how can you like waiting 3 weeks for a show you can get in 2 days? i just simply dont get it. :/ sorry.

not everyone has high-speed internet access and/or a dvd burner

:)

[yin_yang]

i guess, but isn't it weird to become friends with someone like that? through the internet...meh, im not trying to start anything, lets just leave it be

[yin_yang]

not everyone has high-speed internet access and/or a dvd burner

:)

oh yeah, definitly, but i mean, i was in on Jamie's offer for the 7.3.03 DVD, and when i saw it being torrented, a immediatly contacted him and backed out. eh, i guess i just dont like the B+P way.

[Crumbo]

i guess, but isn't it weird to become friends with someone like that? through the internet...meh, im not trying to start anything, lets just leave it be

not weird at all

none of my friends are into DMB...the community allowed me to meet other people who are into DMB

this summer alone I probably meet over 50 people from the various boards and it's nice to know right off the bat that you have at least 1 thing in common

:)

[dmb2much40]

but bittorrents are soo much easier, how can you like waiting 3 weeks for a show you can get in 2 days? i just simply dont get it. :/ sorry.

did you ever think maybe it's your postal system ;)

but seriously, i have met a lot of great people through trading/b+p's...i've met up with them at shows and some of them live right by me & we exchange shows @ chipotle :thumbsup

and by the way, i think this applies to aud/shn trading as well (with the exception of the taper's role)...there's a lot less people trading aud shows on here than there used to be. in fact, i generally only trade with the same few people i have been trading with since the beginning. when you post a thread looking for trades, you usually don't get very far. it's rather sad.

[yin_yang]

btw Monica, i sent you a PM, idont know if you got it.

[greppson]

greediness and the need for instant gratification from a show rules this community, and that's a sad sad thing.

[dmb2much40]

btw Monica, i sent you a PM, idont know if you got it.

yeah i did, glad you like the show :) anxiously waiting for mine to get here. i'll let you know.

[yin_yang]

yeah i did, glad you like the show :) anxiously waiting for mine to get here. i'll let you know.

good, it should be there really, soon, but the postal system from Canada->U.S. sucks unlike from the U.S.->Canada.

[texasdmblvr]

B+P's are interactive, gives you a chance to write a personal note to someone, issue a thanks. It's kinda like the 'old school' of the trading community. It's becoming less and less prominent due to advances in technology, but it's still the classic, respected way of doing things.

because THAT interaction is how this fan base was built. that's why there even IS a community, cause you usually had to trade or b&p for shows, not just download them anonymously.

you guys are the best ! (EVERYONE HERE ON ANTS)
thank you for everything ~ and thanks to everyone for helping me get my dvd list started this week ~ i am so ready to become an active part of THE COMMUNITY :D

[pmc71]

Amen Alan!

Even though I joined Ants a while ago I basically spent all my time on STG and nancies spreading shn and dvds. Both were/are nice trading communities. The only reason I headed over this way is because of a friend. After spending much time with tapers, audio and video alike, I can honestly say that these people put a hell of a lot of money and work into what they do because they enjoy it and seriously want to get this stuff out there. But at times it seems that everyone just expects it and forgets that a good old "thank you" goes a hell of a long way. So THANK YOU to all that share the music - it is much appreciated!!

[fliggil]

I know STG wasn't the center of the universe, but it sure was a hell of an interactive place with a ton of people to trade with all the time, in order to re-establish the interactive part of this community, we need to rebuild a place like that where fans of practically any artist can find someone to trade with. My list includes anyone from DMB to Elvis Costello, Genesis, Nappy Roots, and The Police, groups that often just don't get traded on specialized sites like this or say for Pearl Jam, etc. Like it's been said torrents are nice here and there, but its like email, how much nicer does it feel when a friend handwrites you a letter instead of an email? It's so much more personalized, just my pair of pennies, I'd be happy to try and conjure up ideas for a new site if a group of people were interested in doing so.

[taylordb]

fliggil...if your looking for a place like that, and we all are, lets try to build up Tunes on the Move. Everything is in place, we just need people to frequent it and make it happen.

[fliggil]

TotM has the potential, it definately needs to work on its forum structure and it could use a bit of a catchier design. I've been through there every so often but there's like 1 new post a day, there's all of about 15 threads on the DVD trading section, which has been around for well over 2 months...

[mxz440fan]

What are we supposed to get out of that again?In short:greediness and the need for instant gratification from a show rules this community, and that's a sad sad thing.Also, I wanted to liven the community up. Its been so gloomy lately...we sort of needed a civil discussion :)

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I don't like the way the community is going. Theres too many torrents going on at one time. Even when they are going, no ones taking the time to interact. That was the glory of the groove. Threads were 2 pages long overnight with people talking. Within a couple days there were 7 or 8 pages and the torrent usually died a month later with 15 pages.
Now we're lucky to have a torrent thread go longer then 2 pages and most of it is back and forth bickering about how shitty the video is.
We need to go back to our roots and appreciate what we have...and I don't think we can do that with a new torrent every 4 days (there, I said it).
With that said, I don't think I'm going to be seeding anything else. I'm getting out of that game and going back to good ole trading to spread dvds.

[Thegravedigger]

I believe one thing is for certain.............the majority of us are missing STG something fierce!


:monkey

[taylordb]

In short:Also, I wanted to liven the community up. Its been so gloomy lately...we sort of needed a civil discussion :)

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I don't like the way the community is going. Theres too many torrents going on at one time. Even when they are going, no ones taking the time to interact. That was the glory of the groove. Threads were 2 pages long overnight with people talking. Within a couple days there were 7 or 8 pages and the torrent usually died a month later with 15 pages.
Now we're lucky to have a torrent thread go longer then 2 pages and most of it is back and forth bickering about how shitty the video is.
We need to go back to our roots and appreciate what we have...and I don't think we can do that with a new torrent every 4 days (there, I said it).
With that said, I don't think I'm going to be seeding anything else. I'm getting out of that game and going back to good ole trading to spread dvds.

Alan I am glad you brought this whole thing up. Its good that everyone talks.
Lets look at a case study on Bit Torrent.
The latest Ethan Sinclair DVD that was released, DMB 7-3-03. Probably the most efficient way to have released that show would have been by using Bit Torrent. Ethan choose to release it the old fashion way through a bunch of B&P offers. If you recall there was an onslaught of offers over a period of about 2 weeks. There was a buzz in the air...people were excited...people were talking....people were sharing...life was good.
Then it was torrented and what happened? I have not gone back and checked dates and counted offers, but it appears that since the torrent appeard...most "normal" trading has ceased on that show. It rarely comes up. Now I realize that may be because people are waiting for their show to arrive before they offer it up...I realize that not much time has passed...but my point is that there seems to be a connection to when the torrent appeared and when the communication in the community stopped.
Am I against Bit Torrent? Certainly not. Without it I would have not gotten alot of my Beatles, BBC Series, Johnny Cash and Tom Waits DVD's....not to mention my most prized possession: Danny Gatton on Austin City Limits (hold on a minute while I orgasm). But I have made sure to spread each of those shows the old fashion way after I downloaded (with the exception of the Danny Gatton one..as I am going to attempt to reauthor that one with a menu and chapter marks as well as an information section on Danny before I spread it). Yes I will continue to use Bit Torrent, but I greatly prefer snail mail.
I agree with you Alan that there are too many torrents coming out at one time. I do not like the "feeding frenzy" feeling I get when they all come out. You said that you are backing off from seeding any new shows, but that does not mean the shows should not come out. That alternative is death to the community as well.
I have alot more to say, but I will let someone else talk for a while....I know I am long winded, you don't have to tell me :)

Peace!

[taylordb]

TotM has the potential, it definately needs to work on its forum structure and it could use a bit of a catchier design. I've been through there every so often but there's like 1 new post a day, there's all of about 15 threads on the DVD trading section, which has been around for well over 2 months...

I agree....it will take work from all of us to get it going, but I am confident that it can be a success. The love is there in the hearts of those who started it, but they cannot do it alone.

[Ben F.]

I don't think I'm going to be seeding anything else. I'm getting out of that game and going back to good ole trading to spread dvds. :thumbsup

[DMDream]

I recently began doing b+p's for other people, and the joy I get out of doing that is amazing. I've gotten a few of my shows from BitTorrent but most of them from b+p's. I think it would be a good idea to make a shift back to trading and b+p's to spread shows, this would help the community return to where it once was.

[soright903]

stop the Bromley-bashing, but yeah good point overall :thumbsup


I hope "bromly bashing" never stops, he needs to suffer for all the shit he has stolen over the years from many friends of mine among many other people. Newbies should always be reminded to stay away from this con artist :)

[PinkLlama36]

I hope "bromly bashing" never stops, he needs to suffer for all the shit he has stolen over the years from many friends of mine among many other people. Newbies should always be reminded to stay away from this con artist :)But yet bromley sends you his iems...doesnt make sense to me. Why would you want people to keep bashing him, when hes giving you shit?

[mxz440fan]

But yet bromley sends you his iems...doesnt make sense to me. Why would you want people to keep bashing him, when hes giving you shit?That was a...how do you say it...forced repentance.
After screwing over so many traders karma caught up to him and his IEMs were leaked. Bromley would not set up a trade out of the kindness of his heart. The majority of his dealings are to promote himself, not help someone else.

[[DMB]TheGurl]

I recently began doing b+p's for other people, and the joy I get out of doing that is amazing. I've gotten a few of my shows from BitTorrent but most of them from b+p's. I think it would be a good idea to make a shift back to trading and b+p's to spread shows, this would help the community return to where it once was.

I never used to actually trade, just download. While I made some good friends via that, I have to say that I find trading by mail much more fun and exciting! I've come into contact with some really good and kind people and I treasure that. Besides whats better than going to your mail box and finding an envelope full of DMB!? I am still very new to doing it all but I'm really lovin it and don't plan on stopping any time in the future.

As for it slowing down on offering something once its been torrented, that is probably true for some people out there. It may also be that some of us are still waiting to get our package so we can offer it. Thats what I plan to do with 07.03.03. There are lots of people who don't want to download it and some that can't. I myself have high-speed, but I refrain from downloading mostly because my ISP has a fit if I download that kind of stuff. Aside from that I do prefer waiting for that package. Anything worth having, is worth waiting for.

As for the people who complain about quality and time it takes to get something out, even though it must bother the tapers, most of those people are a certain kind of person I'd say. Someone who's crititcal of anything that isn't fantastically perfect in their eyes. Yeah sometimes I wish I didn't have to look at peoples heads on a dvd but you can get that when you actually attend a show. IT WAS SHOT IN A CROWD. GET OVER IT! If things like that really bother you then don't freakin get the dvds cause you know there's a good chance you're gonna see that! I'm just so glad to even get to see these at all! If it weren't for dvds, then I would miss a lot of cool stuff that you can't get from just the audio (absoluetely NO disrespect to those tapers as well).

To wrap up my 5 cents worth of rambling I just want to thank in no particular order: the people who video tape, convert, edit, create and otherwise make the videos available. As well as the people who spread them. I think the DMB community is like no other and aside from a few whiners, can only get better. After all don't we all have one thing in common? We love DMB.

[gravedigger2424]

That was a...how do you say it...forced repentance.
After screwing over so many traders karma caught up to him and his IEMs were leaked. Bromley would not set up a trade out of the kindness of his heart. The majority of his dealings are to promote himself, not help someone else.
Thats not right at all :devil

[taylordb]

You see? What started out as a thread concerned about the state of the community has turned towards people bashing. We will never learn.

[mxz440fan]

Thats not right at all :devilEh, people could just ignore him...but people do need to know that he is a bad egg and to stay away from him, for their own good.

[soright903]

But yet bromley sends you his iems...doesnt make sense to me. Why would you want people to keep bashing him, when hes giving you shit?


man if you only knew the whole story, pay back must suck for him.

[gravedigger2424]

Eh, people could just ignore him...but people do need to know that he is a bad egg and to stay away from him, for their own good.No I ment that Thats not right for spreading the IEMs

[pmc71]

yea well its not right for him to steal money, shure boxes, trades, etc from me and my friends. Two wrongs do not make a right, but I believe that there are actually some poeple out there that will get enjoyment out of listening to these iems.

cheers

[amyb]

I believe that there are actually some poeple out there that will get enjoyment out of listening to these iems

I would be one of those people who gets enjoyment out of listening to them IEMs even though I know I shouldn't. I just love them. Crave them. NEED THEM.

(I know we aren't supposed to 'need' anything but air, water, food, etc. but addictions shouldn't be limited to just illicit substances, although I guess IEMs are technically verboten.)


Amy

[garback]

TheGurl']I never used to actually trade, just download. While I made some good friends via that, I have to say that I find trading by mail much more fun and exciting! I've come into contact with some really good and kind people and I treasure that. Besides whats better than going to your mail box and finding an envelope full of DMB!? I am still very new to doing it all but I'm really lovin it and don't plan on stopping any time in the future.

As for it slowing down on offering something once its been torrented, that is probably true for some people out there. It may also be that some of us are still waiting to get our package so we can offer it. Thats what I plan to do with 07.03.03. There are lots of people who don't want to download it and some that can't. I myself have high-speed, but I refrain from downloading mostly because my ISP has a fit if I download that kind of stuff. Aside from that I do prefer waiting for that package. Anything worth having, is worth waiting for.

As for the people who complain about quality and time it takes to get something out, even though it must bother the tapers, most of those people are a certain kind of person I'd say. Someone who's crititcal of anything that isn't fantastically perfect in their eyes. Yeah sometimes I wish I didn't have to look at peoples heads on a dvd but you can get that when you actually attend a show. IT WAS SHOT IN A CROWD. GET OVER IT! If things like that really bother you then don't freakin get the dvds cause you know there's a good chance you're gonna see that! I'm just so glad to even get to see these at all! If it weren't for dvds, then I would miss a lot of cool stuff that you can't get from just the audio (absoluetely NO disrespect to those tapers as well).

To wrap up my 5 cents worth of rambling I just want to thank in no particular order: the people who video tape, convert, edit, create and otherwise make the videos available. As well as the people who spread them. I think the DMB community is like no other and aside from a few whiners, can only get better. After all don't we all have one thing in common? We love DMB.


Couldn't have said it better Elle! and thanks for all you've done for me!

[wilsondmb]

...its really sad that grayson had to go and fuck up sharingthegroove.org...its going to cause things to go more underground off the messageboards....

and with the new audio tapers hate video tapers saga even more stuff will not ever get out and fully ciruculate....I guess the "golden age" as you could call it is done as far as trading dvds goes

and with more and more dvds with "offical release live downloads for audio" alot more things will not circulate and if you do get something like this enjoy and keep it off the boards that the best for everyone

[Dustan Rorie]

B&P's and trades are the way this community started and built itself. That should be happening more often. Its just too easy now to torrent something. Sure I do torrent things but I enjoy trading, signing up and offereing B&P's more so. Especially with dvd's since not everyone has dvd burners. The community has become spolied, because of the great tapers (releasing shows the next day) and technology (torrenting). I think all dvd's should be spread via trade and B&P (trees).

There are many great and generous people in this community, some however are in for a quick fix and that is all.



Dustan

[batleon]

you guys are the best ! (EVERYONE HERE ON ANTS)
thank you for everything ~ and thanks to everyone for helping me get my dvd list started this week ~ i am so ready to become an active part of THE COMMUNITY :D
I second that. I spent months downloading audio shows anonymously (though I offered several B+Ps), but I was always keeping an eye on the boards. I saw so many intimidating DVD-related threads that I was scared to start trading. I don't have a DVD burner of my own, but I when i decided to take the plunge and post for some DVD trades or B+Ps I was overwhelemed with the response. Don't believe the community is positive? Read the thread- http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=117689

Aside from a very small quick jab at Bromley, this thread is 100% positive. I haven't been around long enough to know who Bromley is or what he did, and to be honest with you, I don't care. When I get a DVD burner of my own I hope to become even more active, gotta keep the good trading karma going, right? Like anything else in life there's a positive and a negative, you just gotta focus on the positive.

[John II]

was searching for old news/threads and stumbled accross this again.....a lot of great point, everyone should read.

[lieinmygrave41]

good find. I was puzzled at the guy in the beginning of the thread who said he doesn't like B&P's, and said Bittorrents arew easier[because he's greedier] :confused

[bartender69]

I'm not going to slam bittorrent. dreamingtree.org has been an invaluable source for me. Really. I cannot give enough props to the tapers/uploaders and all they do over there.

However...

I could not imagine just sticking with bittorrent. I love trading, offering up b&p's and the interaction that it provides. I have also made alot of great friends through trading and b&p's. Now, are these people the type of friends who are going to be there for your wedding and the birth of your first child. I'm guessing that in most cases, no. But, there are alot of very cool and generous people within this community who are worth getting to know.

[dialect]

i think the "new old school" method of trading has taken the majority.

a mixture of both bittorrent and b&p/trades. both are valuable sources. i view bittorrents as a side project to gather in extra shows (usually ndmb) to bring into b&ps and trades.

this was a great read too