Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[BotheDMBFan]

This match has been shockingly shitty.

[GrooGrux420]

Fuck yes! Christian pinned Orton!

[Speilmen230]

Cena/Christian maybe?

:D

yessum


hopefully a Punk run-in

[kittensXLI]

Wow. Surprised they had the SD guy as the final third. Nice little surprise.

[comerelaxnow]

Orton should NOT be shaking Cenas hand

[K3nTaKa0s]

Pre-Raw Results

Dark Match: Zack Ryder beat Drew McIntyre. Ryder got a nice pop. Apparently he's a full-fledged babyface now. About a five-minute match. Drew dominated, but Ryder came back and hit the Rough Ryder for the win.

[Rodey]

They need to put him on-air damnit!

[comerelaxnow]

For those of you who love Ryder....what role do you see him playing on Raw and how far do you see his gimmick taking him? Midcarder? Tag Team?

[BotheDMBFan]

Midcarder. I think he'd be a perfect contender for the IC title on Smackdown!

[BotheDMBFan]

Ryder got a win over McINTRE! Maybe they're just trying to build him?

[kittensXLI]

Ryder got a win over McINTRE! Maybe they're just trying to build him?
:confused Spoiler that.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wrestling is fun to watch.

[JacobLovesYou]

For those of you who love Ryder....what role do you see him playing on Raw and how far do you see his gimmick taking him? Midcarder? Tag Team?

that's my problem with the whole ryder thing. he made a name for himself through youtube videos, there's no guarantee that his overness would last more then a few months on TV

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1lbJr1uW8

Japan rules.

[kittensXLI]

that's my problem with the whole ryder thing. he made a name for himself through youtube videos, there's no guarantee that his overness would last more then a few months on TV
I've seen countless less-over workers in both WWE and TNA get bigger pushes.

[Rodey]

I just made the Dunn thread awesome.

[hbktonyb]

Sucks that Punk is leaving.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah, but I'm at least interested to see where this goes. Hopefully it's more akin to the Summer Of Punk from 2005. I think worst case scenario is he loses on July 17th and that's it. But even then it's not that bad, considering some time off would be ideal. Recharge himself.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, as long as he comes back. But it's terrible to lose one of your top heels. I expect Punk's ovation to be huge for that PPV.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah that crowd is going to be insane.

[Rodey]

Really going to be a shame to see Punk go.

[hbktonyb]

Oh wow, it is in Chicago. They are usually crazy for the cool heels.

[hbktonyb]

And I expect huge We Want Ryder chants.

[davidhamrick10]

I honestly think it's a storyline. He has probably agreed to a new contract with a lighter work schedule and they are just playing off the heat the contract situation has already recieved.

I could see it like this, Punk wins in his home town and says he is going out as the champ then the GM buzz's and says something to the effect that if he leaves the company then the title would be given back to Cena and that he needs to hand the belt over to Cena. Punk then decides that he will remain champ just to keep it from Cena and then each week Punk "crashes" RAW with no fear of being fired since he was going to leave anyway.

[kittensXLI]

I honestly think it's a storyline. He has probably agreed to a new contract with a lighter work schedule and they are just playing off the heat the contract situation has already recieved.

I could see it like this, Punk wins in his home town and says he is going out as the champ then the GM buzz's and says something to the effect that if he leaves the company then the title would be given back to Cena and that he needs to hand the belt over to Cena. Punk then decides that he will remain champ just to keep it from Cena and then each week Punk "crashes" RAW with no fear of being fired since he was going to leave anyway.
:thumbsup

:thumbsup

There's a lot of different directions they could go with this. Which is again why I think the lamest one would be to have him lose to Cena and that's it. Heck, beating Cena and losing to a MITB cash-in would be better. But with a potential Summer Of Punk rehash, or ideas like your's, there's a lot to work with. Maybe he wins and works through August when his contract was rumored to be up, or September likewise, defending his title until he loses it. Makes me curious to see how SummerSlam would work out if Punk is there on July 18th.

I could see ADR winning MITB and cashing in at SS after Punk loses to Cena. Not the first time Cena would have a 15 minute title reign. :thumbsdow

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/exclusive-backstage-update-on-cm-punks-future-cena-angle-131649

Future of CM Punk and the Angle with Cena

and here was the story from May 22nd, talking about the Punk vs Cena feud that is now happening.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/big-exclusive-john-cenas-next-feud-will-be-with-130261

kinda funny that people consider WZ a joke of a wrestling site and they were the first to report on this.

[Rodey]

:thumbsup

:thumbsup

There's a lot of different directions they could go with this. Which is again why I think the lamest one would be to have him lose to Cena and that's it. Heck, beating Cena and losing to a MITB cash-in would be better. But with a potential Summer Of Punk rehash, or ideas like your's, there's a lot to work with. Maybe he wins and works through August when his contract was rumored to be up, or September likewise, defending his title until he loses it. Makes me curious to see how SummerSlam would work out if Punk is there on July 18th.

I could see ADR winning MITB and cashing in at SS after Punk loses to Cena. Not the first time Cena would have a 15 minute title reign. :thumbsdow

Would mark hard. If/when Del Rio wins the title, he needs to re-design it and make it more classy. But you... you already knew that!

I could see this Punk thing being a storyline, but it's tough to say right now.

[davidhamrick10]

The thing that makes me think it's a work is that he openly said something on air about it and I don't think vinve would allow that to happen without there being something in it for him.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/exclusive-backstage-update-on-cm-punks-future-cena-angle-131649

Future of CM Punk and the Angle with Cena

and here was the story from May 22nd, talking about the Punk vs Cena feud that is now happening.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/big-exclusive-john-cenas-next-feud-will-be-with-130261

kinda funny that people consider WZ a joke of a wrestling site and they were the first to report on this.

Yeah.. so they were right once out of how many times?

[Rodey]

The thing that makes me think it's a work is that he openly said something on air about it and I don't think vinve would allow that to happen without there being something in it for him.

Yeah, that was pretty odd. I can't see Vince letting something like that fly if he wasn't planning on re-signing. Maybe he agreed to something new but wanted a bit of a break first?

[Speilmen230]

Yeah.. so they were right once out of how many times?


idk, i don't have inside info into what is true and isn't true. But this is a pretty major news story and they hit the nail right on the head. Which leaves me to believe that they don't have crap sources like other dirt sheet sites.

After all, your beloved wrestling mastermind, Eric Bischoff respects them, so why shouldn't i?

[kittensXLI]

Would mark hard. If/when Del Rio wins the title, he needs to re-design it and make it more classy. But you... you already knew that!

I could see this Punk thing being a storyline, but it's tough to say right now.

The thing that makes me think it's a work is that he openly said something on air about it and I don't think vinve would allow that to happen without there being something in it for him.

Yeah, that was pretty odd. I can't see Vince letting something like that fly if he wasn't planning on re-signing. Maybe he agreed to something new but wanted a bit of a break first?
That's what makes me extra excited for this entire storyline. The next month should be really entertaining. :thumbsup

We don't know in advance what is going to happen for sure. It's nice.

[hbktonyb]

I loved the 'awesome' and 'little jimmy' chants yesterday.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Matt Hardy was not at the TNA Impact Wrestling tapings last week. As we reported in Thursday's Dot Net Weekly audio show, the word within TNA was that Hardy was left off the shows due to showing up late to live events and because people within the company weren't happy about the taser video he posted online, among other reasons.

Credit: prowrestling.net

[kittensXLI]

So awesome :

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Me...my dad...@uhohitsthebigo BROSKIS http://yfrog.com/h429omej
11 hours ago

:lol @ the Morrison shirt too

EDIT - full-size http://yfrog.com/z/h429omej

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE News: WWE says "technical errors" during Raw affected "Power to the People" voting results

Jun 21, 2011 - 11:34:44 AM

WWE posted the following note on their Twitter page Tuesday:

Technical errors occurred in some of the voting results during Raw: Power to the People. Check with WWE.com throughout the day for more.


Source: PWTorch

[kittensXLI]

WadeBarrett Wade Barrett
WWWYKI.
14 Jun

[Rodey]

WadeBarrett Wade Barrett
WWWYKI.
14 Jun

:lol

Seriously though, the support he's getting from other guys in the locker room, including the big names, is unbelievable and something that we've never seen before. Literally everyone is behind him.

[Doors Allan Coe]

kinda funny that people consider WZ a joke of a wrestling site and they were the first to report on this.

All NewZ sites are hit and miss. I used to check them back in the day. Sometimes its just flat out bull. Sometimes is partial truthes. Sometimes it's spot on. It depends on the contributor and the type of information.

I'm sure if we could check the NewZ archive from the late 90's we would find a lot of totally bullshit that people at the time talked about as if it were fact.

[kittensXLI]

:lol

Seriously though, the support he's getting from other guys in the locker room, including the big names, is unbelievable and something that we've never seen before. Literally everyone is behind him.
Everyone except Vince and his yes-men. Legends, main eventers, lower carders, guys who don't even get onto the cards, non wrestlers, fans, you name it. Zack's got support from all over. Just not from the one person that matters. It's sad.

[hbktonyb]

Seems like he really has guys like Cena, Jericho, etc... support. Vince needs to listen to them...now is the time to do it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Matt Hardy was not at the TNA Impact Wrestling tapings last week. As we reported in Thursday's Dot Net Weekly audio show, the word within TNA was that Hardy was left off the shows due to showing up late to live events and because people within the company weren't happy about the taser video he posted online, among other reasons.

Credit: prowrestling.net

He said he was taking about a month off on his website (I put it up last night.) Doesn't shock me that it was TNA finally growing some balls.

[kittensXLI]

Shocking : http://www.pwinsider.com/article/59158/the-wwe-universe-didnt-vote-for-mason-ryan-after-all.html?p=1

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol

NotTripleH HunterHearstHelmsley
CM Punk said he's taking the WWE title to TNA where "wrestling matters". I told him I look forward to watching him lose the belt to Hogan.
17 hours ago

[jaking1185]

:lol:lol

NotTripleH HunterHearstHelmsley
CM Punk said he's taking the WWE title to TNA where "wrestling matters". I told him I look forward to watching him lose the belt to Hogan.
17 hours ago

It's starting to look like WCW act II. It's a shame too because TNA wasn't that bad before Hogan and Bischoff showed up. Now I find it almost unwatchable.

[kittensXLI]

It's starting to look like WCW act II. It's a shame too because TNA wasn't that bad before Hogan and Bischoff showed up. Now I find it almost unwatchable.
I think it's no coincidence whatsoever TNA has dropped off immensely over the last literally year and a half. TNA in it's early days blows today's crap off the planet. The X Division was truly great at one point. I remember watching rando links guys would post and PM around an old forum back in like 2003-2006. Of just good TNA matches. I miss it.

[jaking1185]

I think it's no coincidence whatsoever TNA has dropped off immensely over the last literally year and a half. TNA in it's early days blows today's crap off the planet. The X Division was truly great at one point. I remember watching rando links guys would post and PM around an old forum back in like 2003-2006. Of just good TNA matches. I miss it.

I completely agree. I liked TNA because they were something different from WWE. I liked the 6 sided ring. I liked the X division and all the acrobatic matches. I even thought the Main Event Mafia wasn't the worst thing. Now it is just a mess with all these WWE rejects running around.

Companies should just understand that they can honestly never compete with the WWE and strive to bring an alternative to the table for people over the age of 12.

[kittensXLI]

I completely agree. I liked TNA because they were something different from WWE. I liked the 6 sided ring. I liked the X division and all the acrobatic matches. I even thought the Main Event Mafia wasn't the worst thing. Now it is just a mess with all these WWE rejects running around.

Companies should just understand that they can honestly never compete with the WWE and strive to bring an alternative to the table for people over the age of 12.
It's odd, because I really didn't like the 6-sided ring. I think they could have had a strong happy medium with a 4-sided ring yet X Division focal point. But with the talents they've brought in over the last couple years, that alone is a huge hindrance to the product itself.

There's a reason most of these guys and girls are in TNA. The ones that "shouldn't" have rare instances, such as Daniels being 40 years old, and Frankie Kazarian actually working with WWE, but requesting a release when they were ending the Cruiserweight division. Which is a crime because Kazarian can be so much more than a high flyer or spot guy, so I consider them both (WWE and Kaz) somewhat "wrong".

How Hogan, Flair, Foley, Sting, Anderson, RVD, Hardy, Abyss, Bubba Ray Dudley, and apparently now Gunner can be pushed over guys like Alex Shelley, Robert Roode, FK, Daniels, James Storm, is beyond me. It completely alienates their original fanbase for Hulk and/or WCW fanboys.

EDIT - I agree with your post, by the way. Didn't mean to just rant like that.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Some people just don't get it. I'll say this.. Bully Ray is probably the best heel in either company right now. He's doing some great work on the mic right now. He may not be able to put on 5-star matches, but he's someone that people would pay to see get his ass beat in the main event of a PPV. It wouldn't shock me if they put the title on him at some point.

The Bound For Glory series is going to elevate someone that isn't Hulk Hogan or a WCW fanboy favorite. The fact that guys like Roode and Storm are participating as singles stars seems to me that they are being "pushed," to a degree. They could've easily put in guys like Matt Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, and Abyss.

When Daniels was on top, TNA did its lowest buyrates (according to the same people who others on here think provide accurate numbers all of the time).

[jaking1185]

EDIT - I agree with your post, by the way. Didn't mean to just rant like that.

Not a problem. I know how you can get Kittens. :lol

[kittensXLI]

Not a problem. I know how you can get Kittens. :lol
:lol I never would have imagined a place I'd be talking about wrestling was a DMB forum. It's easy to forget that haha.

[CrashDMB237]

Some people just don't get it. I'll say this.. Bully Ray is probably the best heel in either company right now. He's doing some great work on the mic right now. He may not be able to put on 5-star matches, but he's someone that people would pay to see get his ass beat in the main event of a PPV. It wouldn't shock me if they put the title on him at some point.


This is just my opinion after being back into wrestling for the past few months, but Jinder Mahal is a better heel than Bully Ray. That kinda puts it into perspective.

[jaking1185]

I understand what you are saying about TNA. They aren't perfect, but with some of the choices they have made they are setting themselves up for failure. Bringing in the people who brought down something as big as the WCW is just plain stupid.

If I were TNA I would have stayed the way I was and carved out a comfortable niche with all the more hardcore wresting fans and just been content to stay there for now. You can't judge their performance by the same characteristics of the WWE like buyrates. If your weekly shows are a consistent 1.0 and you can live without getting the 3 or 4's of the WWE then that is fine. You keep your loyal fans. Then if the WWE continues to alienate some older fans with the PG cartoony things like Cena then they can go out and find you. If done right, over time you can develop into a solid alternative to the WWE.

Right now I don't see much long term planning with either company. The difference is TNA doesn't have the brand loyalty to keep being kinda schizo with their product.

[JacobLovesYou]

:lol at bully ray being a better heel then cm punk, the miz, or alberto del rio

[hbktonyb]

Bully Ray is the best heel in either company right now????? :lol :lol :lol

[CrashDMB237]

:lol at bully ray being a better heel then cm punk, the miz, or alberto del rio

Am I that far off base saying that Jinder Mahal is a better heel than him as well? I didn't even bother listing off the people that are CLEARLY better than Bully Ray.

[JacobLovesYou]

:lol at bully ray being a better heel then cm punk, the miz, or alberto del rio
or christian
or sheamus

[JacobLovesYou]

Am I that far off base saying that Jinder Mahal is a better heel than him as well? I didn't even bother listing off the people that are CLEARLY better than Bully Ray.

jinder mahal certainly has future potential, which bully ray doesn't have.

[kittensXLI]

This is just my opinion after being back into wrestling for the past few months, but Jinder Mahal is a better heel than Bully Ray. That kinda puts it into perspective.
:thumbsup It's not even close.

I understand what you are saying about TNA. They aren't perfect, but with some of the choices they have made they are setting themselves up for failure. Bringing in the people who brought down something as big as the WCW is just plain stupid.

If I were TNA I would have stayed the way I was and carved out a comfortable niche with all the more hardcore wresting fans and just been content to stay there for now. You can't judge their performance by the same characteristics of the WWE like buyrates. If your weekly shows are a consistent 1.0 and you can live without getting the 3 or 4's of the WWE then that is fine. You keep your loyal fans. Then if the WWE continues to alienate some older fans with the PG cartoony things like Cena then they can go out and find you. If done right, over time you can develop into a solid alternative to the WWE.

Right now I don't see much long term planning with either company. The difference is TNA doesn't have the brand loyalty to keep being kinda schizo with their product.
I disagree with the last part. If WWE didn't choose it's current path and direction, would keeping guys like Hardy and Anderson and Hardy etc have given people like Sheamus, Barrett, Del Rio, and Rhodes the opportunity and platforms they've had? I strongly doubt it. WWE was 100% right in the youth movement. PG can be debated back and fourth, but I think the youth movement has been undeniably beneficial, and we're already starting to see some rewards.

[kittensXLI]

:lol at bully ray being a better heel then cm punk, the miz, or alberto del rio

Bully Ray is the best heel in either company right now????? :lol :lol :lol

or christian
or sheamus
:lol:lol:lol:lol I know, right?

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray isn't even the best fucking heel in TNA.

[JacobLovesYou]

good call about rhodes, he's miles ahead of :lol bully ray :lol

big heat, great skills, improves on the mic daily, and has a huge future

[kittensXLI]

Am I that far off base saying that Jinder Mahal is a better heel than him as well? I didn't even bother listing off the people that are CLEARLY better than Bully Ray.
No, you're dead on correct. No question. Anyone that's seen Mahal the last few weeks and knows what's going on in his current storyline can tell that.

jinder mahal certainly has future potential, which bully ray doesn't have.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

[CrashDMB237]

No, you're dead on correct. No question. Anyone that's seen Mahal the last few weeks and knows what's going on in his current storyline can tell that.


I really like what this dude is doing. As easy as it is to hate him, how can you not love him? Khali is finally being used the way he should and Mahal is great on the mic/in the ring.

[BotheDMBFan]

Khali being Mahal's bitch puts Mahal over so big.

[jaking1185]

:thumbsup It's not even close.


I disagree with the last part. If WWE didn't choose it's current path and direction, would keeping guys like Hardy and Anderson and Hardy etc have given people like Sheamus, Barrett, Del Rio, and Rhodes the opportunity and platforms they've had? I strongly doubt it. WWE was 100% right in the youth movement. PG can be debated back and fourth, but I think the youth movement has been undeniably beneficial, and we're already starting to see some rewards.

To a certain extent you're right. I always saw the WWE more interested in the entertainment side of things. They kept things simple in the old days with superhero Hogan against the latest bad guy the Vince found and pushed.

I always preferred the old NWA/WCW way of spending more of their focus on the wrestling side. When Vince was losing the Monday Nights Wars he decided to fight fire with fire, and luckily he had the people to pull it off (ironically most of them WCW rejects like Steve Austin, Mick Foley and HHH). Once the war was over I think Vince wanted to start taking the company back into the PG area because that is what he was comfortable with, and with no competition he could with no repercussions.

Now though all the Attitude Era guys are just about gone and he needed to find a new direction. I like many of the younger guys out there, and I think he may be doing the right thing in trying to lock in the kids today for the benefit of tomorrow. I just think people want to see things as great as they were in the late 90's but we will never see that again.

[kittensXLI]

I really like what this dude is doing. As easy as it is to hate him, how can you not love him? Khali is finally being used the way he should and Mahal is great on the mic/in the ring.
Well you see Bubba Ray Dudley is a bully and is mean and swears a lot so he's the best heel!!!

Khali being Mahal's bitch puts Mahal over so big.
WWWYKI.

[kittensXLI]

To a certain extent you're right. I always saw the WWE more interested in the entertainment side of things. They kept things simple in the old days with superhero Hogan against the latest bad guy the Vince found and pushed.

I always preferred the old NWA/WCW way of spending more of their focus on the wrestling side. When Vince was losing the Monday Nights Wars he decided to fight fire with fire, and luckily he had the people to pull it off (ironically most of them WCW rejects like Steve Austin, Mick Foley and HHH). Once the war was over I think Vince wanted to start taking the company back into the PG area because that is what he was comfortable with, and with no competition he could with no repercussions.

Now though all the Attitude Era guys are just about gone and he needed to find a new direction. I like many of the younger guys out there, and I think he may be doing the right thing in trying to lock in the kids today for the benefit of tomorrow. I just think people want to see things as great as they were in the late 90's but we will never see that again.
Well put. I agree 100% with all of this. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[Speilmen230]

To a certain extent you're right. I always saw the WWE more interested in the entertainment side of things. They kept things simple in the old days with superhero Hogan against the latest bad guy the Vince found and pushed.

I always preferred the old NWA/WCW way of spending more of their focus on the wrestling side. When Vince was losing the Monday Nights Wars he decided to fight fire with fire, and luckily he had the people to pull it off (ironically most of them WCW rejects like Steve Austin, Mick Foley and HHH). Once the war was over I think Vince wanted to start taking the company back into the PG area because that is what he was comfortable with, and with no competition he could with no repercussions.

Now though all the Attitude Era guys are just about gone and he needed to find a new direction. I like many of the younger guys out there, and I think he may be doing the right thing in trying to lock in the kids today for the benefit of tomorrow. I just think people want to see things as great as they were in the late 90's but we will never see that again.

Might be the most intelligent post i have ever seen in this thread. Excluding DoorsAllanCoe of course.

[BotheDMBFan]

The late 90's sucked, honestly. Watching a lot of those matches now, yuck city.

[Speilmen230]

I loved the attitude era.

HBK, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddy Gurrero, Stone Cold, Undertaker, Mankind, HHH, & Chris Jericho.

all of these guys are phenomenal wrestlers who put on great matches.

[jackisback24]

Just got Last Laugh, the Bill Demott story in the mail yesterday and started it today. I'm liking it more than Brock book and have taken a break from Brock. Not entirely bad--Brock book, but I can tell I'm going to like Bill's book better. Haven't even gotten to part two of the Savage bio in the Observer.

Geesh.

[BotheDMBFan]

I loved the attitude era.

HBK, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddy Gurrero, Stone Cold, Undertaker, Mankind, HHH, & Chris Jericho.

all of these guys are phenomenal wrestlers who put on great matches.

When did Dean put on good matches in the E? They misused the ever loving shit out of him.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This is just my opinion after being back into wrestling for the past few months, but Jinder Mahal is a better heel than Bully Ray. That kinda puts it into perspective.

Who are you? Who the fuck is Jinder Mahal?

---------


Alberto Del Rio and The Miz aren't better on the mic than Bully Ray. Sheamus? Christian? Give me a fucking break. I'll give CM Punk the benefit of the doubt. But don't try to bullshit me with these fucking names.

[BAHHHTIWaC]

I loved the attitude era.

HBK, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddy Gurrero, Stone Cold, Undertaker, Mankind, HHH, & Chris Jericho.

all of these guys are phenomenal wrestlers who put on great matches.

You are the second person I have ever encountered that actually enjoys Kurt Angle.

[jackisback24]

You are the second person I have ever encountered that actually enjoys Kurt Angle.
huh???8888

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE posted another update on the voting errors that were made during Monday's "Power to the People" edition of Raw. They noted that Sin Cara actually earned 90 percent of the vote and should have faced Evan Bourne, but the error resulted in Mason Ryan facing Bourne instead.

The story also notes that voters wanted Vickie Guerrero banned from ringside when Dolph Ziggler defended the U.S. Title against Kofi Kingston. Due to the error, the company went with a best of three falls match.

Source: PW.net

---------------

Jesus. My local newspaper's website can run a simple poll and get the results right.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Monday Night Raw did a 3.1 rating overall.

Source: F4WOnline

[comerelaxnow]

When was the last time they had a 3 stages of hell match?

Gotta love this one. HHH/HBK Armageddon 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF39WzwzkXg&feature=related

[CrashDMB237]

Who are you? Who the fuck is Jinder Mahal?

---------


Alberto Del Rio and The Miz aren't better on the mic than Bully Ray. Sheamus? Christian? Give me a fucking break. I'll give CM Punk the benefit of the doubt. But don't try to bullshit me with these fucking names.

The fact that you don't know who Jinder Mahal is makes it ten times more obvious as to why you think Bully Ray is the best heel in wrestling. The Miz puts Bully Ray to shame and as much as I dislike Alberto Del Rio, he pisses on Bully Ray on the mic.

[comerelaxnow]

The fact that you don't know who Jinder Mahal is makes it ten times more obvious as to why you think Bully Ray is the best heel in wrestling. The Miz puts Bully Ray to shame and as much as I dislike Alberto Del Rio, he pisses on Bully Ray on the mic.

Well lets be fair here...Jinder Mahal only just made his in ring debut earlier this month and was on a few times before that?? How does not knowing a brand new wreslter make anything 10 times more anything?

[hbktonyb]

Why the fuck are we even discussing Bubba Ray Dudley :lol He's a fat piece of worthless shit. blololololol


wwwyki

[CrashDMB237]

Well lets be fair here...Jinder Mahal only just made his in ring debut earlier this month and was on a few times before that?? How does not knowing a brand new wreslter make anything 10 times more anything?

If you want to make an argument and deem someone "the best" you should probably know who everyone is. I could say "so and so" is the best hockey player in the league but I've never watched anything other than the playoffs.

[kittensXLI]

Why the fuck are we even discussing Bubba Ray Dudley :lol He's a fat piece of worthless shit. blololololol


wwwyki
Might be the most intelligent post i have ever seen in this thread. Excluding DoorsAllanCoe of course.

If you want to make an argument and deem someone "the best" you should probably know who everyone is. I could say "so and so" is the best hockey player in the league but I've never watched anything other than the playoffs.
:thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Might be the most intelligent post i have ever seen in this thread. Excluding DoorsAllanCoe of course.


:thumbsup

:lol :lol A lot of intelligence on the last 2 pages.

[jackisback24]

I still think I can book WM28 to perfection.

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Hey Zack Pack. I will be on WWE NXT tonight at 10 PM on WWE.com. Watch it BROSKIS! WWWYKI! RT
7 minutes ago

[jackisback24]

Do all of you Broski Smarks own his shirt?

[hbktonyb]

Nope, I refuse to buy that shirt with his picture on it. I'm waiting for a WWWYKI, ryder or riot, or take care spike your hair shirt. And as soon as the woo woo woo headband comes out, i'm buying it and wearing it every day.

bro.

[kittensXLI]

Nope, I refuse to buy that shirt with his picture on it. I'm waiting for a WWWYKI, ryder or riot, or take care spike your hair shirt. And as soon as the woo woo woo headband comes out, i'm buying it and wearing it every day.

bro.
Sorry broski, but none of that is ever happening.

I want a Zack shirt, but don't have the means to purchase online. Soon, though. My first wrestling purchase (non-ppv/video) in forever.

Well, besides a WHC belt for a 99% homemade Halloween costume a couple years ago.

[hbktonyb]

I'd make a simple shirt. I'm a broski in the front...WWWYKI in the back.

[JacobLovesYou]

at MIITB next month i'm thinking about buying a shirt... i haven't decided yet... i might also get a WHC belt

[K3nTaKa0s]

The fact that you don't know who Jinder Mahal is makes it ten times more obvious as to why you think Bully Ray is the best heel in wrestling. The Miz puts Bully Ray to shame and as much as I dislike Alberto Del Rio, he pisses on Bully Ray on the mic.

So, some nobody that can't even get on PPV, I'm supposed to know about him? I haven't seen him on either three-hour Raws that featured guys from both brands. Granted, I didn't watch every minute of both shows, so maybe I missed him.

[JacobLovesYou]

I bet Bully Ray wouldn't even say he was better on the mic then Miz or ADR

[K3nTaKa0s]

I bet Bully Ray wouldn't even say he was better on the mic then Miz or ADR

Bully Ray isn't a robot.

[kittensXLI]

at MIITB next month i'm thinking about buying a shirt... i haven't decided yet... i might also get a WHC belt
Well I should have clarified, my toy belt was $5 from WalMart. Don't the replica belts cost like $200 or $300+?

I bet Bully Ray wouldn't even say he was better on the mic then Miz or ADR
I think the Bubba Ray Dudley conversation quota for the year has been reached.

[kittensXLI]

Zack Ryder won a match tonight. Made this Tuesday a great one seeing him. WWWYKI!

[JRS1386]

Bully Ray isn't a robot.

Really? Really?

[JacobLovesYou]

Hey I'm just happy some of those guys found a place that would pay them so they aren't off doing their best Randy the Ram impressions

[JacobLovesYou]

I wont buy one of the legit replicas, I'm pretty sure they sell the plastic ones at events too

[kittensXLI]

I wont buy one of the legit replicas, I'm pretty sure they sell the plastic ones at events too
Well there's the $5 ones that are like foam with plastic on them. You can find at any toy store or WalMart or whatever. Obviously not what you have in mind. I think there used to be one type of replica belts and one type of authentic belts, one of which was more expensive than the other. Kind of like how professional sports jerseys are made. Maybe WWE stopped and/or changed and now all the belts are just replicas for kids and replicas for adults, adults being like 200-300+. I'm probably completely wrong so just ignore this hahaha.

For example, Zack's Internet Championship seems more legit than a plastic toy store belt, but it's not a IC Title replica. So I don't know how it works. Must be a kids replica?

[JacobLovesYou]

Yeah idk I'll have to let you know. I know they had separate ones from the expensive ones at the SD house show I went to before WM. they might've just been the foam ones though.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah idk I'll have to let you know. I know they had separate ones from the expensive ones at the SD house show I went to before WM. they might've just been the foam ones though.
Again, I'm probably wrong. Definitely find a cool yet reasonably priced one though! Let us know if there's Zack t-shirts there!

[jaking1185]

For example, Zack's Internet Championship seems more legit than a plastic toy store belt, but it's not a IC Title replica. So I don't know how it works. Must be a kids replica?

If I were to guess, I'd say he might have had it made here:

http://www.davemillicanbelts.com/index2.htm

[hbktonyb]

I want to buy a Bubba Bully Ray Dudley shirt. Because he's the greatests healz.@!

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Driving back to LI. BSB on the radio...McDonald's in my mouth. WWWYKI
10 hours ago

[CrashDMB237]

So, some nobody that can't even get on PPV, I'm supposed to know about him? I haven't seen him on either three-hour Raws that featured guys from both brands. Granted, I didn't watch every minute of both shows, so maybe I missed him.

Only proves my point even more. He's about one month young and already is better on the mic and in the ring than your boy.

[hbktonyb]

I like K3nWo's posts, but I literally can't stop laughing over the Bully Ray thing :lol

[kittensXLI]

Steve_Blackman Steve Blackman
by ZackRyder
@
@ZackRyder I would like to see you on television sometime soon. Keep at it and I'm sure your time will come.
6 hours ago

[Speilmen230]

HEAD CHEESE!!!!

steve blackman is still alive? Who would even follow him on twitter?

it would be interesting to see him do a shoot interview.

[Rodey]

:lol He's even getting support from Steve Blackman. Fucking epic.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/update-cm-punks-latest-tweet-a-re-hash-of-old-roh-blog-131683

very interesting. kinda a cool idea.

[kittensXLI]

:lol He's even getting support from Steve Blackman. Fucking epic.
I know broski. It's ridiculous.

[hbktonyb]

Huge fan of Steve Broskiman.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Only proves my point even more. He's about one month young and already is better on the mic and in the ring than your boy.

I see we've added another WWE fanboy to the mix. Do you work for WWE?

[Rodey]

Shouldn't the fact that someone new, who rips TNA, has joined the thread? Seriously, you're the only one here that thinks they put out a good product.

[CrashDMB237]

I see we've added another WWE fanboy to the mix. Do you work for WWE?

Not a WWE fanboy at all, I watched WCW just as much as I did WWF back in the day until the "invasion" and liked both equally as much with a slight edge to WWF because of the talent.

And no I do not work for the WWE.

[kittensXLI]

This could be BIG :

WWEShop WWEShop.com
by ZackRyder
Create your very own Zack Ryder merch from our collection of photos of Long Island Iced Z. Woo Woo Woo! http://wwe.me/5ndcS
3 hours ago

EDIT - Aw, weak. I thought it was going to be t-shirts and apparel (headbands!).

[hbktonyb]

Very weak. Still no tshirts, headbands, or sayings. Just a picture of him or his name.

[Rodey]

It'd be cool if they put up a sweet Ryder shirt in the WWE Shop. The one they had for him was absolutely terrible looking and still sold out. :lol

[JacobLovesYou]

i think CM Punk is leaving, but I don't think he's leaving after MITB... I think if everything is done correctly, the next few months (hopefully "few") could be some of his best work ever in the WWE. then i think he's going to take some time off, go back to ROH since they got their new deal and see what he can do with them. i could see him working with ROH for a few years and trying to make them a legit #2

[JacobLovesYou]

btw, i hope you guys all caught it when ADR screamed out "destiny!" before putting rey in the cross arm breaker monday night :lol

[kittensXLI]

i think CM Punk is leaving, but I don't think he's leaving after MITB... I think if everything is done correctly, the next few months (hopefully "few") could be some of his best work ever in the WWE. then i think he's going to take some time off, go back to ROH since they got their new deal and see what he can do with them. i could see him working with ROH for a few years and trying to make them a legit #2
:thumbsup
btw, i hope you guys all caught it when ADR screamed out "destiny!" before putting rey in the cross arm breaker monday night :lol
:lol Awesome.

[gocubsgo3822]

So i am doing a career with Zack Ryder in Raw vs. Smackdown 2011... Its actually challenging since he sucks so much

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah idk I'll have to let you know. I know they had separate ones from the expensive ones at the SD house show I went to before WM. they might've just been the foam ones though.

I'm going Monday, I'll let you know.

[jackisback24]

If CM Punk, Del Rio or Miz write an auto, will you guys buy it like Jericho? I don't want to hear Ryder because that won't happen for a while.

By the way, I think a heel faction with Punk, ADR and Miz with Horsemen dress suits led by Jericho would be an awesome heel faction.

[BotheDMBFan]

So i am doing a career with Zack Ryder in Raw vs. Smackdown 2011... Its actually challenging since he sucks so much

What was his career one? Beating Taker?

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Filming & Editing continues for tomorrow's Z! True Long Island Story YouTube.com/longislandicedz
14 minutes ago


WWWYKI!

[kittensXLI]

If CM Punk, Del Rio or Miz write an auto, will you guys buy it like Jericho?
100% Yes, I would.

By the way, I think a heel faction with Punk, ADR and Miz with Horsemen dress suits led by Jericho would be an awesome heel faction.
Might be the most intelligent post i have ever seen in this thread.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think Punk should lead it, and not Jericho; but yeah that'd be great.

[hbktonyb]

Anything with Punk, ADR, Miz and Jericho would be sick.

WWWYKI.

[JRS1386]

So I finally youtubed the raw main event and man was it underwhelming. I like that Miz and Christian got revenge for CP losses but if it was anyone on the heel side that hit their finisher in the middle of the ring after being eliminated it would have been instaDQ but not for Super Cena/Orton. Such a lame ending.

Also Orton has such a heel look and he should be the heel not Christian. Also it was killing me hearing Book say how Christian had his shot and it's over. Such a waste if Christian doesn't get a decent title run soon

[Rodey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opP0FUgdsIQ

His entrance will never get old. Listen to the heat he gets. Amazing.

[kittensXLI]

Do you have the iTunes file of Zack's theme song?

Does anyone?

[Rodey]

Do you have the iTunes file of Zack's theme song?

Does anyone?

I don't. I just have an MP3 I think.

[kittensXLI]

I don't. I just have an MP3 I think.
Is it good quality?

[Rodey]

I think it's good, but I know that some people are really particular about quality.

[kittensXLI]

I think it's good, but I know that some people are really particular about quality.
Can you send it to me please?

[Rodey]

Can you send it to me please?

Absolutely.

What's the best way?

[Rodey]

Also, I wish I knew how to make ringtones. Because there's nothing more I would love than Del Rio's music or "Ooooooooooooooooooh radio, tell me everything you know!" blasting when I get a call.

[kittensXLI]

Upload it on Sendspace.com I guess. And PM the link.

No clue about ringtones. I could use a new one too, though. Zack's theme would be fantastic.

[BotheDMBFan]

Use myxer for ringtones.

[Rodey]

I'll upload it in a bit and post the link here so all the bros can download it.

[kittensXLI]

Use myxer for ringtones.
:confused

And is it free?

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opP0FUgdsIQ

His entrance will never get old. Listen to the heat he gets. Amazing.

You're killing me. The audio in that clip was piped in. Believe me, I know how to recognize it.

[BotheDMBFan]

:confused

And is it free?

Yeah bro.

[BotheDMBFan]

You're killing me. The audio in that clip was piped in. Believe me, I know how to recognize it.

Bully Ray!

[Rodey]

For all the broskis: http://www.sendspace.com/file/daj12y

[hbktonyb]

You my Broskie Jordan.

[gocubsgo3822]

What was his career one? Beating Taker?

no the WWE universe mode where u fight for titles and shit

[kittensXLI]

Woo Woo Woo Rodey!

[BotheDMBFan]

no the WWE universe mode where u fight for titles and shit

Yeah, I started doing it. I am tag champs with him.

[kittensXLI]

He's 2/2 in his latest opinions :

TheRealXPac Sean Waltman
by ZackRyder
Im playing Zack Ryder's youtube show. About time someone show some initiative like that.
15 minutes ago

[BotheDMBFan]

3/3, man.

[kittensXLI]

3/3, man.
What was his 3rd one?

[BotheDMBFan]

Something about TNA, I forget.

[jackisback24]

pretty cool.

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1308760090

[hbktonyb]

Xpac is awesome now.

[Rodey]

Woo
woo
woo
you
know
it

[K3nTaKa0s]

Spike will be airing replays of Impact every Tuesday night at 9:00pm EST.

[hbktonyb]

I love Kittens and Both's avatars. WWWYKI. Bro.

[CrashDMB237]

Spike will be airing replays of Impact every Tuesday night at 9:00pm EST.

Saw a promo for this while I was watching "Jail" on Spike tonight. Looked fucking terrible.

[hbktonyb]

Sweet. 2 days of Bully Ray DudleyBubba!@!. Best heel everz

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Kittens and Both's avatars. WWWYKI. Bro.
It's Bo, you son of a bitch.

;)

[BotheDMBFan]

Sweet. 2 days of Bully Ray DudleyBubba!@!. Best heel everz

It's because he's a Bully. WWE needs a Bully. Instead? They have a Punk. FEH!!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Saw a promo for this while I was watching "Jail" on Spike tonight. Looked fucking terrible.

Yeah? You've never watched it before?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Sweet. 2 days of Bully Ray DudleyBubba!@!. Best heel everz

I never said he was the best heel ever. He's better than Alberto "I have a lot to say, but it doesn't go anywhere" Del Rio and the goofy-looking midcarder Miz.

[hbktonyb]

I love you K3nWo but honestly Miz and Del Rio are a million times better than the Bully. I was so down on WWE for a long time, but they have a bunch of guys (Miz, Del Rio, WWWYKI, Punk, Riley, Dolph, Morrison, Truth, etc...) that could carry this company for a long time. Not seeing that with TNA right now, despite the fact that I love that TNA is 14 and hate that WWE is PG. But Raw is just a better show than Impact right now.

P.S. I still absolutely love Hogan and watch TNA because of him.

[kittensXLI]

Miz, ADR, WWWYKI, Punk, Riley, Dolph, Morrison, absolutely!

R-Truth, :lol:lol:lol no chance.

[hbktonyb]

Heyyyyyyy!@! You are a little Jimmy, Kittens. All the little Jimmies know that RTruth is a goooooooooooooooooooood R Truth.

[kittensXLI]

I love Kittens and Both's avatars. WWWYKI. Bro.
Take Care Spike Your Hair
Saw a promo for this while I was watching "Jail" on Spike tonight. Looked fucking terrible.
Looks are not decieving. What you see is what you get with TNA. To a T.
Sweet. 2 days of Bully Ray DudleyBubba!@!. Best heel everz
:lol
It's Bo, you son of a bitch.

;)
:lol

[hbktonyb]

Both, Bo, what's the difference! WWWYKI!@!

[kittensXLI]

Heyyyyyyy!@! You are a little Jimmy, Kittens. All the little Jimmies know that RTruth is a goooooooooooooooooooood R Truth.
Top 10 Little Jimmys from WWE.com was the one singular moment R-Truth wasn't a complete and utter failure of a worker. In his entire career.

[hbktonyb]

Heel R Truth = Goooooooooooooooooooooooood R Truth blolololol

Best

[BotheDMBFan]

Both, Bo, what's the difference! WWWYKI!@!

I'm gonna kick you in the dick.

[hbktonyb]

Ryder or Riot.

Bo or Riot.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ryder or Riot.

Bo or Riot.

WWWYKI!

I've gotten that to catch on at work, too.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I love you K3nWo but honestly Miz and Del Rio are a million times better than the Bully. I was so down on WWE for a long time, but they have a bunch of guys (Miz, Del Rio, WWWYKI, Punk, Riley, Dolph, Morrison, Truth, etc...) that could carry this company for a long time. Not seeing that with TNA right now, despite the fact that I love that TNA is 14 and hate that WWE is PG. But Raw is just a better show than Impact right now.

P.S. I still absolutely love Hogan and watch TNA because of him.

Right now, Bully Ray is cutting better promos than anyone in either company. I just think a lot of "fans" get too enamored with the one-liners some of these entertainment stars use.

[BotheDMBFan]

Right now, Bully Ray is cutting better promos than anyone in either company. I just think a lot of "fans" get too enamored with the one-liners some of these entertainment stars use.

I get enamored with shit that makes sense, and people that don't stutter all the Goddamn time. Punk was just able to hang with AUSTIN. That alone should show you how off your claim is.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I get enamored with shit that makes sense, and people that don't stutter all the Goddamn time. Punk was just able to hang with AUSTIN. That alone should show you how off your claim is.

You mean guys who can't even get on television?

[hbktonyb]

I could see you arguing the big bad Bully against certain people, but not Miz. Miz is one of the best talkers in the business right now.

[BotheDMBFan]

You mean guys who can't even get on television?

He gets on internet TV! INTERNET CHAMPION!

I get super pissed at the E for not having Ryder on. Makes me madder than almost anything else with wrestling.

I love how you have no real retort for the point at hand though, like usual.

[K3nTaKa0s]

If this guy were so great, he'd be on television. I don't care what kind of excuses people come up with. Vince is all about making money.

How the fuck is a 60-second backstage promo considered "hanging with Austin"? I said earlier that I was willing to give CM Punk the benefit of the doubt. I'm not going to argue just for the sake of arguing.

[BotheDMBFan]

They went back and forth and both looked strong, that's "hanging".

You guys had for 3 years on and off the guy I consider the second best promo guy EVER (Foley) and managed to piss him off enough to make him want to leave.

[JacobLovesYou]

Re-airing impact is a good business idea for once.

[BotheDMBFan]

I want TNA to be good, so bad...but it is so fucking terrible.

[hbktonyb]

Bully Ray > 2000 Haitch

[hbktonyb]

I want TNA to be good, so bad...but it is so fucking terrible.

That's the thing, me too. I really want it to be good and I root for it every week.

[BotheDMBFan]

Re-airing impact is a good business idea for once.

Re-airing a shit product is a terrible one, though. They should start figuring out how to have a logical program, where everything matters and makes sense. Look at what Smackdown! is doing right now, and use that model.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray > 2000 Haitch

Bully Ray promo > Jake Roberts promo.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's the thing, me too. I really want it to be good and I root for it every week.

I can't root for it if it doesn't WANT to get better.

[BotheDMBFan]

Shit, I'd say that Sheamus is even a better promo than Bully Ray; AND he's getting better every week.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Re-airing a shit product is a terrible one, though. They should start figuring out how to have a logical program, where everything matters and makes sense. Look at what Smackdown! is doing right now, and use that model.

What is so bad about the show? I realize that it being taped and being in the same arena every week hurts, but the wrestling product itself is better than Raw.

[BotheDMBFan]

What is so bad about the show? I realize that it being taped and being in the same arena every week hurt, but the wrestling product itself is better than Raw.

That's the problem, it's not.

They can shoot every episode in the same place, I don't give a shit. The product is shit. The booking is ridiculous. They rely WAY too much on guys who are so over the hill they're almost 6 feet under ground at the bottom of the other side. This Angle v Jarrett feud should have ended forever ago. The matches are sloppy and unexciting. There is no psychology to the matches. The characters don't make people care. TNA is just one big bowl of wrong right now.

[JRS1386]

re-airing a shit product is a terrible one, though. They should start figuring out how to have a logical program, where everything matters and makes sense. Look at what smackdown! Is doing right now, and use that model.

wrestling matters!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

wrestling matters!!!!

It does, I just wish TNA would actually understand that phrase.

[kittensXLI]

wrestling matters!!!!
:lol:lol:lol:thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Bully Ray :lol :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray in the ring > Bret Hart in his prime.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray the Heel > Macho Man Randy Savage during his feud with Hogan.

[hbktonyb]

Bully Ray's physique > Ultimate Warrior's jacked up body.

[JacobLovesYou]

Re-airing a shit product is a terrible one, though. They should start figuring out how to have a logical program, where everything matters and makes sense. Look at what Smackdown! is doing right now, and use that model.
Of course the program has to improve, but showing a replay is still a good idea. For WWE its not cause they don't want to jeopardize ad revenue, but the loyal K3n's of the world are still going to tune in on Thurs, so Tues should work to try and reach more viewers.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray as a Heel > Chris Benoit when he killed his family.

[K3nTaKa0s]

That's the problem, it's not.

They can shoot every episode in the same place, I don't give a shit. The product is shit. The booking is ridiculous. They rely WAY too much on guys who are so over the hill they're almost 6 feet under ground at the bottom of the other side. This Angle v Jarrett feud should have ended forever ago. The matches are sloppy and unexciting. There is no psychology to the matches. The characters don't make people care. TNA is just one big bowl of wrong right now.

TNA matches are sloppy and unexciting (of course they're unexciting when you don't like the product), but WWE's aren't? I'll put Styles/Bully Ray from Slammiversary up against any WWE match from this year. Of course it's easy to not be sloppy and unexciting when they use the same four fucking moves every match. No psychology? Do you watch the PPVs? I guess I'm going to have to come out and explain things to you guys during the shows. The characters don't make people care? Yeah.. there's so many interesting characters on WWE right now that PPV buyrates and tv show ratings are going through the roof.

The last two three-hour Raws were terrible. WWE is going through the motions right now. You can't say that about TNA.

Yes, there's booking issues in TNA. So there's no booking issues in WWE? The announcing is shit. There's no money feuds. Their young stars aren't over. The list goes on and on.

[hbktonyb]

Bully Ray as a Heel > Chris Benoit when he killed his family.

:lol :lol

Bully Ray's ass > Stacy Keibler's whole body :lol :lol

[JacobLovesYou]

The Angle/Jarrett thing has lasted FOREVER. especially when the two could be helping younger guys get over (so that way the product has a future)

[K3nTaKa0s]

:lol :lol

Bully Ray's ass > Stacy Keibler's whole body :lol :lol

To his credit, Bully Ray is in the best shape of his career. But I doubt anyone on here cares about that since he's not making YouTube videos.

[hbktonyb]

:lol :lol

Bully Ray is in his best shape!?!??! :lol

That's like saying Yokozuna lost 10 pounds :lol :lol

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

Fantastic.

[K3nTaKa0s]

:lol :lol

Bully Ray is in great shape!?!??! :lol

Wow. I mean.. do I have to spell it out one word at a time? I said he's in the best shape of his career. You can take that for whatever it's worth.

[K3nTaKa0s]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

Fantastic.

Stop trolling.

[hbktonyb]

I edited my post. Yoko-Bully!@! :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA matches are sloppy and unexciting (of course they're unexciting when you don't like the product), but WWE's aren't? Of course it's easy to not be sloppy and unexciting when they use the same four fucking moves every match. No psychology? Do you watch the PPVs? I guess I'm going to have to come out and explain things to you guys during the shows. The characters don't make people care? Yeah.. there's so many interesting characters on WWE right now that PPV buyrates and tv show ratings are going through the roof.

The last two three-hour Raws were terrible. WWE is going through the motions right now. You can't say that about TNA.

Yes, there's booking issues in TNA. So there's no booking issues in WWE? The announcing is shit. There's no money feuds. Their young stars aren't over. The list goes on and on.

The E has some sloppy workers, and I call them out for it CONSTANTLY. Mostly from Kofi (who ironically IS a young over guy.) Yes, I do watch the PPVs, and most of the shows that I can see. Psychology is more than JUST the story line, it's doing things during the matches that makes sense. All of the TNA guys, save for Kurt and a couple others, have ALWAYS been shit psychology guys. RVD in particular. I just watched an E match he was in yesterday, and today...holy fuck was he bad. NOTHING he did made sense. Never took advantage of an injury. Never sold an injury throughout a match, etc.

If you're going to use that for the E, the TV ratings and PPV buys and such, turn that back on TNA as proof of JUST HOW BAD THEY ARE. No one buys their shit, no one watches their shit. If we're just going off of what you're saying, WWE tv is at least 3 times better than TNA tv. PPV buy rates I'm not really privy to, but obviously WWE smokes TNA in that department as well.

They weren't terrible, and the last one wasn't NEARLY as bad as everyone thought it would be. The Dolph v Kofi match was really good until the finish. The dance competition was good old fashioned stupid humor. The ME was a wasted opportunity, and even THAT set things up for the next month. Plus, the Punk, Del Rio, Rey match was GREAT. Better than anything I've seen from TNA that I've seen on TV. (I'm going to watch their lone 5 star match tomorrow.)

The announcers are WORLDS better than TNA. The feuds are all strong right now, with a Punk v Cena feud that might last the summer. There's a lot of intrigue on Raw right now, and Smackdown! is just BRILLIANT at the moment.

[BotheDMBFan]

To his credit, Bully Ray is in the best shape of his career. But I doubt anyone on here cares about that since he's not making YouTube videos.

He looks like a turd, and his haircut is horrible looking.

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ZackRyder Zack Ryder
@ValVenisEnt Big ValBROski?
4 hours ago

[hbktonyb]

But the Bully glassez!@!

[hbktonyb]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
@ValVenisEnt Big ValBROski?
4 hours ago

:lol :lol :lol

I love Ryder

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe TNA could rip off the Hansen brothers?

[kittensXLI]

The Angle/Jarrett thing has lasted FOREVER. especially when the two could be helping younger guys get over (so that way the product has a future)

:lol :lol :lol

I love Ryder
What do you two think - Bo and I were talking about it... What current WWE worker(s) could get cut/released and then NOT become TNA World Champion at some point?

So far we have :
Yoshi Tatsu
Michael McGillicutty

Maybe Mason Ryan and David Otunga, but Hogan would definitely have a hardon for those guys.

[JacobLovesYou]

Mason Ryan would for sure. Andy Leavine? :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Andy would because he was TOUGH ENOUGH!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

John Cena.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What do you two think - Bo and I were talking about it... What current WWE worker(s) could get cut/released and then NOT become TNA World Champion at some point?

So far we have :
Yoshi Tatsu
Michael McGillicutty

Maybe Mason Ryan and David Otunga, but Hogan would definitely have a hardon for those guys.

Yet another stupid post.

How many titles have D'Angelo Dinero and Orlando Jordan held? Kendrick? Matt Hardy? When was the last time Steiner held a title?

Do you ever have anything to offer in this thread?

[BotheDMBFan]

Don't even really call a WCW guy who ended up in WWE a WWE guy. Steiner is a WCW guy.

[BotheDMBFan]

DAMN I love Daniels.

[BotheDMBFan]

Just started the TNA 5 star match.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Acting like they sign everyone from WWE and make them world champion. I've never cared for them, but it's not like Hardy and Anderson are complete nobodies.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Just started the TNA 5 star match.

Which one is that? Angle/Joe?

[BotheDMBFan]

Which one is that? Angle/Joe?

9/11/05 AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels

[BotheDMBFan]

This is one of the best done 3 way matches I have seen. Not 5 star material in MY book yet, but very good.

[GrooGrux420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHk5CmoAQKw

I popped wood...

[BotheDMBFan]

9/11/05 AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels

4.5/5 stars. Very good, but the psychology kinda went in and out.

[kittensXLI]

Mason Ryan would for sure. Andy Leavine? :lol
Andy would because he was TOUGH ENOUGH!!!
I think Andy would get a title shot based on his TE "fame" alone.

McGillicutty probably would eventually based on the fact he's Curt's son.

Yoshi Tatsu
Primo
JTG
Curt Hawkins
Hornswoggle

That's all I can think of.

9/11/05 AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels
:lol:lol "Which one"? It's THE one. I guess someone who never watched TNA prior to Hulk Hogan wouldn't understand that, though. :lol:lol

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ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Can't sleep...might as well finish this week's Z! TLIS YouTube.com/longislandicedz WWWYKI BROSKI
1 minute ago

[BotheDMBFan]

i think andy would get a title shot based on his te "fame" alone.

Mcgillicutty probably would eventually based on the fact he's curt's son.

Yoshi tatsu
primo
jtg
curt hawkins
hornswoggle

that's all i can think of.


:lol:lol "which one"? It's the one. I guess someone who never watched tna prior to hulk hogan wouldn't understand that, though. :lol:lol

he's hennig's fucking son?!

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he's hennig's fucking son?!
:lol I know right?

Yes, Michael McGillicutty aka Joe Hennig.

[BotheDMBFan]

Why wouldn't WWE play off of his name?

[kittensXLI]

Why wouldn't WWE play off of his name?
Can't own that name.

[BotheDMBFan]

Can't own that name.

If they can butt fuck our intelligence into thinking Tyson Kidd is a fucking Hart, they can do ANYTHING.


Also, is it bad that I would love to marry Nattie Neidhart for the sole fact that it'd make me kinda-sorta a Hart?

I guess Kidd has beaten me to that punch. Bastard. At least you shaved your head for it.

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ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Episode 19 of Z! TLIZ is almost done. But I gotta got some things done before I can put the finishing touches on it. I'll keep you posted.
5 minutes ago

Woo Woo Woo

[BotheDMBFan]

"Get some things done" is almost assuredly "Banging the ever-loving eff out of my girlfriend."

[BotheDMBFan]

Bully Ray at being in shape and having a good hair cut > Bubba Ray

[hbktonyb]

What do you two think - Bo and I were talking about it... What current WWE worker(s) could get cut/released and then NOT become TNA World Champion at some point?

So far we have :
Yoshi Tatsu
Michael McGillicutty

Maybe Mason Ryan and David Otunga, but Hogan would definitely have a hardon for those guys.

Only one I could think of is Kelly Kelly.

[kittensXLI]

Only one I could think of is Kelly Kelly.
Kelly Kelly sucks. And she'd still destroy every Knockout.

[JacobLovesYou]

kelly kelly is hot hot

[BotheDMBFan]

Kelly Kelly should be the hottest valet since Sunny. Instead? They have her wrestle. Tards.

[Crush086]

NOTHING he did made sense. Never took advantage of an injury. Never sold an injury throughout a match, etc.
There's actually not alot of people that try to sell injuries anymore. Morrison is one of the few I can remember that did it more than others. Orton too if you can include him falling down during his punt attempt a few months ago.

Most of the time though, you'll see a guy get a part obliterated, then disregard it at the end of the match to come away with a victory. No Sell Cena is great for doing this.

They should go back to backstage assaults (actual visible ones, not Truths segment Monday. Besides, running an equipment cart over a guys head and getting no lasting injuries is one of the most outrageously unsellable things I can think of).

Like when The Rock beat the hell out of Foley's leg before their Last Man Standing match. It was believable, and you wondered how much of an advantage The Rock would have from such an attack.
The announcers are WORLDS better than TNA. The feuds are all strong right now, with a Punk v Cena feud that might last the summer. There's a lot of intrigue on Raw right now, and Smackdown! is just BRILLIANT at the moment.
Gotta disagree there. While Tenay and Tazz might not be the best combo, Cole for majority of this year has made their tandem horrible. Booker doesn't provide much insight outside of lulz when he botches his commentating. Even Cole and Lawler totally making up out of the blue makes no sense and makes things even stupider.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cole has been fantastic this year. Booker usually provides good insight, and ofcourse some of those lulz (Some intentional, some unintentional.) TNA announcers are seriously just a step above the ROH announcer(s) (When they rock two, it's even worse).

[JacobLovesYou]

i think cole has been golden the past few weeks. his commentating was really awkward after the rushed lawler make up, but now he's fit into the role of a normal heel commentator. the shit that bugs me is when does excited play by play for the faces. RAW should be lawler, matthews, and cole. SD's commentating lineup is perfect because a taped show works better for booker right now.

[JacobLovesYou]

usually they have the people who wrestle del rio sell arm injuries during matches because he attacks people's arms before putting them in the cross-arm breaker