Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[kittensXLI]

Why is this PPV flying by?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Michaels is gone.

[hbktonyb]

HBK out...fuck

[DmBand801]

someone give summaries please, my feed died.

[clayj41]

Well, there went me caring.

[mwat9050]

Well...here comes batista vs HBK next ppv to face taker, like i said a few days ago

[K3nTaKa0s]

Cena/Edge/Batista are left.

[TheTallOne]

Cena/Edge/Batista are left.

That's pathetic

[K3nTaKa0s]

Cena eliminates Batista.

[mwat9050]

Edge wins the rumble

[clayj41]

Go Edge?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Edge wins.

[mwat9050]

Im suprised Edge got that push so quickly

[clayj41]

Edge wins.

Thank God.

[kittensXLI]

Wth? Who shot down my prediction of Edge entering #30 and winning? Granted it was #29, that's pretty darn close.

[hbktonyb]

Glad Edge won

[Speilmen230]

the payperview was only 2 hours and 40 minutes?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Standings:


kittensXLI -- 6-0 (2 bonus points)

AndySlash -- 4-0

K3nTaKa0s -- 4-1 (1 bonus point)

ant_marching41 -- 3-1
Speilmen230 -- 3-1

davidhamrick10 -- 3-2 (1 bonus point)

justinandimcool -- 2-2

bothedmbfan -- 1-3

I gave a bonus point to anyone who had Michaels as lasting the longest. It was close between he and Cena, so I counted them both as lasting the longest. kittensXLI got a bonus point for picking Miz as being in the shorest amount of time. I got a bonus point for having Evan Bourne being at #2.

[mwat9050]

the payperview was only 2 hours and 40 minutes?


Arent they usually??

[Speilmen230]

Arent they usually??

usually +3 hours

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think Wrestlemania is the only one that goes over 3 hours. Most are 8-11 EST.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Word going around online is that Triple H might've injured his quad again.

[hbktonyb]

That would suck for H.

[DMBfan41]

just watching the replay now, Undertaker took a damn hard hit, that looked like real blood to me.

[Speilmen230]

Word going around online is that Triple H might've injured his quad again.

i have heard that the rumor of him re-injuring it is all speculation. a lot of people are thinking he legit injured it because he was selling it so hard.

i don't mean to sound like im joking but i seriously think people forget what it looks like when a wrestler sells an injury vs has an injury. People are so use to the they are either hurt or they are ok. Which is very new age type. Cena is a perfect example, he will sell the crap out of something for 3 minutes then completely forget about it.

[TempHelpNeeded]

i have heard that the rumor of him re-injuring it is all speculation. a lot of people are thinking he legit injured it because he was selling it so hard.

i don't mean to sound like im joking but i seriously think people forget what it looks like when a wrestler sells an injury vs has an injury. People are so use to the they are either hurt or they are ok. Which is very new age type. Cena is a perfect example, he will sell the crap out of something for 3 minutes then completely forget about it.


I agree, but remember the match Triple H injured his quad in with the Tag Titles when wrestling with Austin as the Two Man Power Trip.

[Speilmen230]

I agree, but remember the match Triple H injured his quad in with the Tag Titles when wrestling with Austin as the Two Man Power Trip.

very true but also someone stated that after "Injuring"/"Selling" the left leg, he performed a pedigree and put all his weight on it. so that there is a big indication of it being a Sell and not an injury IMO. and yes i know that he let jericho put him in the walls when he injured his quads but i think at this stage in his career he very much is trying to protect his body.

[kittensXLI]

He's definitely going to be more cautious and less likely to wrestle hurt now compared to years ago because this could threaten his goal of passing Flair for most World Championships.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I can't believe the Undertaker is banging Michelle McCool.

[devilandthelord]

Edge really gets all the breaks doesn't he?
I mean he certainly paid his dues, but now its like every chance possible is his.
I feel like they mishandled this. Although its not like they're doing anything right nowadays anyway.

[justinandimcool]

Decently written show for the most part. Not a lot of great wrestling though. I'm a huge Edge fan but that's what, at least 5 "surprise" entrances to steal a main event win?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Show was alright.. Undertaker/Mysterio was only 11 minutes and the MVP/Miz match seemed pointless. Not happy about Mickie James winning, but it is what it is. I dislike Edge almost as much as I dislike Cena. Thanks for everyone who participated in the pick em. Would you guys like me to continue to post them for future PPVs or was it silly?

Excited to see Bret tomorrow on Raw.

[justinandimcool]

I'm a huge Edge fan but

obviously not as big of a fan as this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFdRB_v1wI

[hbktonyb]

Decently written show for the most part. Not a lot of great wrestling though. I'm a huge Edge fan but that's what, at least 5 "surprise" entrances to steal a main event win?

This is why I don't like it...they re-do the same thing over and over.

[Speilmen230]

when is the last time they did anything on wwe that was original??

[kittensXLI]

Show was alright.. Undertaker/Mysterio was only 11 minutes and the MVP/Miz match seemed pointless. Not happy about Mickie James winning, but it is what it is. I dislike Edge almost as much as I dislike Cena. Thanks for everyone who participated in the pick em. Would you guys like me to continue to post them for future PPVs or was it silly?

Excited to see Bret tomorrow on Raw.
Definitely keep doing them. Get some more added interest going on in here.

when is the last time they did anything on wwe that was original??
2002.

[Speilmen230]

Definitely keep doing them. Get some more added interest going on in here.


2002.

exactly.... that is 8 years ago.... i mean 2002 is almost spot on... i would maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and say 2003 is when it started to get a bit stale, but in 2003 you still had the great stuff going on with Angle and Lesnar.

[jayman414]

I can't believe the Undertaker is banging Michelle McCool.



WHAT?!?!?!:ugh

Is this true?

[hbktonyb]

So Edge/Jericho for the title, HBK/Taker for the title?

Bret/Vince
Cena/Batista
HHH/Sheamus
Money in the Bank (Hopefully Miz wins)

[davidhamrick10]

WHAT?!?!?!:ugh

Is this true?
it's damn true
So Edge/Jericho for the title, HBK/Taker for the title?

Bret/Vince
Cena/Batista
HHH/Sheamus
Money in the Bank (Hopefully Miz wins)
don't forget Orton vs. Legacy and CM Punk vs. Christian

[kittensXLI]

It's way too early for The Miz to win such a higher caliber match yet. Definitely don't want to push him too fast too soon. Let him have a lengthy US Title run, and not lengthy by today/recent standards. I mean for like a year. He needs to become too good for the US Title and all of it's contenders. He should be so "awesome" that he dumps the belt and demands for the elite. Simultaneously, it would buy him a ton of time to improve.

[Speilmen230]

It's way too early for The Miz to win such a higher caliber match yet. Definitely don't want to push him too fast too soon. Let him have a lengthy US Title run, and not lengthy by today/recent standards. I mean for like a year. He needs to become too good for the US Title and all of it's contenders. He should be so "awesome" that he dumps the belt and demands for the elite. Simultaneously, it would buy him a ton of time to improve.

i would be down for Kofi winning it. i think it's time for him to get a push.

[kittensXLI]

Is he good on the microphone?

[Speilmen230]

Is he good on the microphone?

kofi?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBfqDCBm_4

[kittensXLI]

Eh. That was good. What about in the ring dealing with the crowd?

[hbktonyb]

I thought it was going to be Rey/Punk, Mask vs. Hair.

[Speilmen230]

Eh. That was good. What about in the ring dealing with the crowd?

i don't know really, i haven't watched enough to see him cut an in ring promo.

[ant_marching41]

Pretty weak ppv i thought. Pointless matches overall. The ending of the WWE championship match left me wanting to swear at my lap top (until I remembered I really couldn't care less anymore), and the rumble match left me with more bad things to mention than good ones.

[Speilmen230]

Pretty weak ppv i thought. Pointless matches overall. The ending of the WWE championship match left me wanting to swear at my lap top (until I remembered I really couldn't care less anymore), and the rumble match left me with more bad things to mention than good ones.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[davidhamrick10]

Pretty weak ppv i thought. Pointless matches overall. The ending of the WWE championship match left me wanting to swear at my lap top (until I remembered I really couldn't care less anymore), and the rumble match left me with more bad things to mention than good ones.
I agree, I have been critical of some of the Rumble matches for being under booked with too many people in the ring at the same time. But last night was almost over booked especially at the start(although I liked the stuff with Punk).

[ant_marching41]

I agree, I have been critical of some of the Rumble matches for being under booked with too many people in the ring at the same time. But last night was almost over booked especially at the start(although I liked the stuff with Punk).
I thought the Punk angle was ok for the most part. He had eliminated about 3 or 4 guys already, and ran his mouth with his crazy jesus like appearance to the point where everyone watching was thinking, "Good god, when are one of the big boys going to enter and end this?!" Bam, Khali comes out, everyone's pumped, Khali knocks CM down, and the show is still entertaining.

Then Beth Pheonix of all people comes out, and you know what happens then... THAT'S where the current writing of WWE ruined that moment.

I can't decide what moment was worse in the rumble: That, or R-Truth eliminating both the Big Show and Mark Henry. Pathetic.

[AndySlash]

Beth Phoenix in the Rumble fits her character. And she got the benefit of eliminating a giant to boot. R-Truth got the benefit of being the guy to eliminate two giants. These types of things give those characters some credibility. I see nothing wrong with it.

[davidhamrick10]

I thought the Punk angle was ok for the most part. He had eliminated about 3 or 4 guys already, and ran his mouth with his crazy jesus like appearance to the point where everyone watching was thinking, "Good god, when are one of the big boys going to enter and end this?!" Bam, Khali comes out, everyone's pumped, Khali knocks CM down, and the show is still entertaining.

Then Beth Pheonix of all people comes out, and you know what happens then... THAT'S where the current writing of WWE ruined that moment.

I can't decide what moment was worse in the rumble: That, or R-Truth eliminating both the Big Show and Mark Henry. Pathetic.
see, that's what is so wierd about WWE. My older brother has been watching wrestling since the early 90's and that is the stuff that he loves. Like the diva cake thing, it pisses me off and he eats it up.

[ant_marching41]

Beth Phoenix in the Rumble fits her character. And she got the benefit of eliminating a giant to boot. R-Truth got the benefit of being the guy to eliminate two giants. These types of things give those characters some credibility. I see nothing wrong with it.
I do. I hate R-Truth. :lol

[AndySlash]

oh, well, he does make it easy to do so.

[davidhamrick10]

Sad to hear Jack Brisco died.

[Speilmen230]

i don't know if you guys need a profile or not but here is part 1 and 2 of the rumble. low quality but its better than what the streams were.

http://everygeek.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/view/6905085-wwe-royal-rumble-2010-flv-

[ant_marching41]

Is it just me, or is Matt Striker just unbearable to listen to?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Striker is pretty bad, but when you listen to Michael Cole once a week... you don't notice a change.

[kittensXLI]

Wow, why is HHH so fat. I totally believe he hurt his quad again; he doesn't look to be in good shape whatsoever.

[Speilmen230]

Brings the LULZ!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkBxak_zFtg

[ant_marching41]

Striker is pretty bad, but when you listen to Michael Cole once a week... you don't notice a change.
I think even King was starting to get annoyed with Striker last night. I recall one part Striker dragged out this long question (I forget what it was about) and suddenly goes, "Jerry the King Lawler!" as if he was looking for the King's imput. The King seemed like he just paused for a second as if to say "Really?"
Wow, why is HHH so fat. I totally believe he hurt his quad again; he doesn't look to be in good shape whatsoever.
I noticed this too last night.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzHVDOfHRQ

[hbktonyb]

Brings the LULZ!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkBxak_zFtg

blolololololol :lol

[jackisback24]

Just got back to Boston today after being in Miami for the weekend and man I miss the 75 degree weather.

I read in Meltzer's newsletter that CM Punk will face Mysterio at WM in a hair vs. mask match, which the angle with Punk shaving dicipiles (sic?) on TV already started.

Jack Brisco passing away is sad. Said to be a great prankster. Almost done w/ Dutch Mantel book. Very funny, a good read. Good stories including Randy Savage in a waffle house from the early 80s in a brawl with police and also Mantel and Undertaker being pulled over by cops at gunpoint in Memphis days.

Read that Bob Shamrock, father figure for Ken and Frank passed away as well. RIP.

Hall of Fame announcement tonight. Backstory on William Shatner: Lawler wanted famous Memphis announcer Lance Russell to induct him into the HOF but Vince wanted someone more famous, thus Shatner got the nod.

[kittensXLI]

Brings the LULZ!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkBxak_zFtg
:lol:lol

[shoegal_97]

Good Lord, looking at Seamus makes me wanna vomit

[K3nTaKa0s]

Raw better start stepping up before March 1st.

[ant_marching41]

Good Lord, looking at Seamus makes me wanna vomit
He desperately needs long tights.

And a sweater.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow.. I wonder who is going to win this qualifying match.

[kittensXLI]

Who's in it?

[K3nTaKa0s]

John Cena and Cody Rhodes.

[kittensXLI]

zzz.

[jackisback24]

John Cena and Cody Rhodes.

Cody not a good heel name.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Triple Haitch vs. Jack Swagger.

Another toss up.

[jackisback24]

did they mention Brisco's passing?

[kittensXLI]

zzzzzzz.

[K3nTaKa0s]

did they mention Brisco's passing?

Yes.. they put a photo up at the beginning.

[ant_marching41]

Triple Haitch vs. Jack Swagger.

Another toss up.
Don't you mean Jack Swagger vs. The Gameaaaaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzGy9d8StOk

[jackisback24]

Does RVD return soon? The Wars are heating up.

[jackisback24]

BTW latest on Shane o Mac is he's trying to buy Strikeforce.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Orton, HBK, and Jericho as the last three in the Elimination Chamber?


Edit: Jericho is on Smackdown, I guess. Maybe Kingston?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow.

This really is a toss-up... Orton vs. HBK.

[kittensXLI]

I'll pick Orton 9 out of 10 times, the remaining being unless DiBiase interferes.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Who the hell actually orders the encore showings of the PPVs?

[jackisback24]

Who the hell actually orders the encore showings of the PPVs?
believe it or not, there once was a time where you can order a PPV and watch a replay for free, although on the same day.

Did they mention the HOF pick yet? Watching 24 right now.

[ant_marching41]

:lol:lol:lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hahahahhaa. Shatner "singing" WWE entrance songs.

[hbktonyb]

Mizzzzzzzzzzz needs to be in the CHAMBER!!!!!!!!!!! Because he's AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[ant_marching41]

God I hate that turnbuckle flip. It just doesn't make any sense. :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Fuck yes!

[shoegal_97]

He desperately needs long tights.

And a sweater.

:lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ted Dibiase, Jr. will join Orton, Triple H, Sheamus, and Cena in the Elimination Chamber. One more spot to be decided.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Kofi Kingston or Big Show will take up the last spot in the Elimination Chamber.

Brisco Tribute on Raw.

I wonder how people in the crowd feel. They have yet to see Shatner (in person) or Bret Hart.

[kittensXLI]

I'll take Kofi Kingston.

So Bret is just being saved for the last 10 minutes of Raw every week?

[shoegal_97]

I'll take Kofi Kingston.

So Bret is just being saved for the last 10 minutes of Raw every week?

lame :BANG

[hbktonyb]

I have no interest at all in DiBiase.

[hbktonyb]

The HBK/Taker buildup has started out phenomenal

[crashintonickdm]

i cant wait til bret kills vince at WM.

[rickyh24]

Bret is back? Does he look like old school Bret?

[kittensXLI]

Bret Hart/Vince McMahon
Shawn Michaels/Undertaker
Randy Orton/Edge
John Cena/Batista
Rey Mysterio Jr./CM Punk

What else for Wrestlemania?

[hbktonyb]

He looks ok, just a little older and chubbier, but for a guy who had a stroke and 50 concussions, I'd say pretty good.

[kittensXLI]

Bret is back? Does he look like old school Bret?
He looks like a very old Bret.

[hbktonyb]

Bret Hart/Vince McMahon
Shawn Michaels/Undertaker
Randy Orton/Edge
John Cena/Batista
Rey Mysterio Jr./CM Punk

What else for Wrestlemania?

Orton vs. Rhodes vs. DiBiase
Money in the Bank
Jericho/Edge

[kittensXLI]

Orton vs. Rhodes vs. DiBiase
Money in the Bank
Jericho/Edge
Jericho isn't in the Elimination Chamber match?

[hbktonyb]

Bret is still great on the mic.

[hbktonyb]

Jericho isn't in the Elimination Chamber match?

Yeah for the next PPV, not mania.

[rickyh24]

He looks like a very old Bret.

:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

Is there anything better than Vinnie Mac's strut??? blololololol

[rickyh24]

Michaels vs. Undertaker??? That is classic.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah for the next PPV, not mania.
I'm confused out of my mind.

The winner of the Elimination Chamber faces the champion at Wrestlemania, right? I have Orton winning that next month for his shot at Edge...?

[DmBand801]

Is there anything better than Vinnie Mac's strut??? blololololol

yes, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4

[hbktonyb]

Michaels vs. Undertaker??? That is classic.

Last WM they had the best wrestling match I think I've ever seen.

[rickyh24]

Last WM they had the best wrestling match I think I've ever seen.

I don't doubt it one bit.

[DmBand801]

Last WM they had the best wrestling match I think I've ever seen.

Absolutely. Definitely worth the time to watch it on youtube.

[hbktonyb]

I'm confused out of my mind.

The winner of the Elimination Chamber faces the champion at Wrestlemania, right? I have Orton winning that next month for his shot at Edge...?

Ahh ok I see what you are saying. From a storyline perspective, it seems like the build is Edge/Jericho, Orton/Legacy...but if you look at the matches, it looks like it will be Orton/Edge.

[hbktonyb]

yes, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7zo1BvvA4

Nope, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6XirNa9T8

[kittensXLI]

Ahh ok I see what you are saying. From a storyline perspective, it seems like the build is Edge/Jericho, Orton/Legacy...but if you look at the matches, it looks like it will be Orton/Edge.
Wait. Is the Elimination Chamber match actually for the title itself, or the #1 contendership at Wrestlemania?

[DmBand801]

Nope, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6XirNa9T8

:lol The beginning made me miss the APA.

Wait. Is the Elimination Chamber match actually for the title itself, or the #1 contendership at Wrestlemania?

Yes.

[hbktonyb]

Vince tonight: "What a croooooooooooock"...i am in tears laughing.

[DmBand801]

Vince tonight: "What a croooooooooooock"...i am in tears laughing.

When he's not counting his money, Vince brings the ultimate lolz on tv.

[hbktonyb]

You got that...hounddog looking face :lol :lol :lol

Vince is in rare form

[kittensXLI]

:lol The beginning made me miss the APA.



Yes.
Yes to which one?

[kittensXLI]

Nope, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6XirNa9T8
Related video, what the heck is this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t84HYCwBFUc

[DmBand801]

Yes to which one?

My fault, yes, the title is on the line in the chamber.

[DmBand801]

Related video, what the heck is this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t84HYCwBFUc

PG WWE, ftl.

[hbktonyb]

Related video, what the heck is this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t84HYCwBFUc

HHH son...wax on wax off

[kittensXLI]

Hmm. The title on the line at the next PPV changes everything. I guess if HHH wins it then, he'd face Edge at Wrestlemania. Then Orton would end up being in the Triple Threat Match with Legacy.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah, and Jericho in the MITB with probably Christian, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Kane, The Big Show, Sheamus, and Mark Henry.

John Morrison versus whoever the current Intercontinental Champion is that he's feuding with.

Amirite on any of this?

[JacobLovesYou]

vinnie mac was hilariously evil. i thought the ending of bret getting shit on again was lame though. i thought for sure right when mcmahon was about to spit cenas music would come on and he'd throw batista and mcmahon out of the ring and then it would end with hart on top so that why mcmahon would want "revenge" and the storyline could keep going.

with stone cold hosting in the next several weeks, are we assuming that he's going to play a direct hand in this hart/mcmahon thing? i'm guessing guest referee because he can say he'll be fair because he hates both of them.

[kittensXLI]

vinnie mac was hilariously evil. i thought the ending of bret getting shit on again was lame though. i thought for sure right when mcmahon was about to spit cenas music would come on and he'd throw batista and mcmahon out of the ring and then it would end with hart on top so that why mcmahon would want "revenge" and the storyline could keep going.

with stone cold hosting in the next several weeks, are we assuming that he's going to play a direct hand in this hart/mcmahon thing? i'm guessing guest referee because he can say he'll be fair because he hates both of them.
Cena probably came out after they cut from the live feed and saved Bret for the audience. Then next week or whenever Bret is back again they'll have the Cena confrontation.

[hbktonyb]

Could Jericho win MITB, facing Edge? Then, Taker vs. HBK because HBK causes Taker to lose MITB. Sheamus/HHH for the title, Cena Batista, MITB, Bret Vince, Rey/Punk?

[JacobLovesYou]

cena running out should've been the last 30 seconds for the live feed as well. it ending with bret looking "pathetic" again was lame. :lol :lol :lol it literally ended with vince making fun of every aspect of bret hart's life for 5 minutes and then spitting in his face :lol :lol :lol

vinny was great tonight. the strut!

[hbktonyb]

Vince was classic tonight...strut, hounddog, what a crooock

[kittensXLI]

Could Jericho win MITB, facing Edge? Then, Taker vs. HBK because HBK causes Taker to lose MITB. Sheamus/HHH for the title, Cena Batista, MITB, Bret Vince, Rey/Punk?
Could be. I guess we'll have to wait and find out. Once the stipulations are hammered out, it shouldn't be too hard to solve.

[Speilmen230]

The Rock... Greatest Promo cutter of all time?? i think so...

[kittensXLI]

The Rock... Greatest Promo cutter of all time?? i think so...
Unquestionably.

However, I will throw this out there : The Rock up until about 2001 or 2002 is epic/legendary. The Rock post-2002, while both entertaining and among the best, has been cheesy, forced, and cringe-worthy (especially in comparison to his classic moments). Maybe it's just me, I don't know.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I enjoyed the ending, but prior to that, it seemed like the same ole Raw (with a little less Hornswaggle).

Shawn is losing hair like crazy.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rock was best with Foley. Whether he was wrestling against him, or with him.

[jackisback24]

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that the WWE has invited Antonio Inoki into the Hall of Fame, and that former AWA champion Stan Hansen (http://www.gerweck.net/stanhansen.htm) will be inducting him. This announcement was made in Japan.

[Crush086]

The Elimination qualifying matches last night were so terrible. The Orton/HBK was the only worthwhile one, but even that ended sloppy. Orton wasn't even covering Michaels when the ref counted 3.lol

Anywho, as much as I want to see Randy take the title back at the Elimination Chamber, DiBiase being in the match would set the stage for the Orton/DiBiase WM match.

[hbktonyb]

Unquestionably.

However, I will throw this out there : The Rock up until about 2001 or 2002 is epic/legendary. The Rock post-2002, while both entertaining and among the best, has been cheesy, forced, and cringe-worthy (especially in comparison to his classic moments). Maybe it's just me, I don't know.

Correct. He was still good, but he was forcing a lot of it after 2002. Although he had a great few months as a heel when he first started doing movies and he came back, and everyone was booing him vs. Brock Lesner.

[ExperienceJones]

Batista/McMahon v. Hart/Cena at WM?

So is Bret just going to be punked by Vince each time he comes on?

[Crush086]

Batista/McMahon v. Hart/Cena at WM?

So is Bret just going to be punked by Vince each time he comes on?
I imagine it wouldn't be a good feud if Vince didn't succeed in making you absolutely hate him by the end of it. Batista is a punk anyways, but a good move by Vince to not let Hart get the best of him. It'll make Hart's vindication that much more rewarding.

Same with DiBiase and Orton. I thought they'd break off Legacy a couple months ago (when Orton had that match where he punked out DiBiase), but I guess DiBiase still wasn't quite ready for the main event stage. With him in the Elimination Chamber, I suppose he's ready to make his name as a main eventer.

[JacobLovesYou]

the ending of the big show/kofi kingston match was bad i thought. i thought that it happened so that next week there would be some kind of redemption match, but next week big shows in the triple threat tag match. it seems like that little "i didnt do it on purpose!!" debacle was a one off. did you guys see kingston slip and rack himself trying to get onto the top rope. another kingston mess up, big show had to basically just stand in front of him then so he could get drop kicked. i like kofi kingston though, dudes athletic.

i'm going to raw a few weeks after wrestlemania, its in my home town.

[kittensXLI]

Sounds like Kofi needs some work before the big, big time.

[seekupig]

somebody let me know if The Rock comes back.

any rumors? I'd heard he was supposed to host Raw on the 11th of January but had to cancel because he was too busy promoting The Tooth Fairy..... :lol

[hbktonyb]

Rock said himself look for him in the summer, and he wants to do something more than just hosting.

[Evans]

The Elimination qualifying matches last night were so terrible. The Orton/HBK was the only worthwhile one, but even that ended sloppy. Orton wasn't even covering Michaels when the ref counted 3.lol

Anywho, as much as I want to see Randy take the title back at the Elimination Chamber, DiBiase being in the match would set the stage for the Orton/DiBiase WM match.

Wow, reading this sentence and reading the names makes me wonder what year we're in! If only we could go back to the good ole' days of the WWF.

[Crush086]

Sounds like Kofi needs some work before the big, big time.
I think so. I'm amazed they're putting him in the Elimination Chamber, but I guess after Orton, HHH, Cena, and Sheamus, and maybe DiBiase, talent really falls off.
Wow, reading this sentence and reading the names makes me wonder what year we're in! If only we could go back to the good ole' days of the WWF.
Amen. Bret Hart said ass twice last night though. Baby steps.lol

[ExperienceJones]

I really like Dibiase, looking forward to seeing him in the chamber

[Crush086]

I really like Dibiase, looking forward to seeing him in the chamber
Me too. I've been wanting him to ditch Rhodes for a long time now. That must suck for Cody though. Orton is pretty much always in the hunt for the title, DiBiase has secured a place in the main event at No Way Out for the title, and Cody loses a qualifying match against Cena.

[kittensXLI]

From what I've seen, DiBiase isn't ready to carry the title. Love him in the long run, though.

[BotheDMBFan]

Me too. I've been wanting him to ditch Rhodes for a long time now. That must suck for Cody though. Orton is pretty much always in the hunt for the title, DiBiase has secured a place in the main event at No Way Out for the title, and Cody loses a qualifying match against Cena.

Cody can't speak. Period. He is a perma-mid-carder until he can.

I thought Shelton would be a surprise winner for the Rumble last night because he's one of the E's 5 best in ring guys, and he REALLY stepped it up on the mic after he got moved to ECW. I hope it's in the cards for him eventually. Because he could be magnificent.

[BotheDMBFan]

From what I've seen, DiBiase isn't ready to carry the title. Love him in the long run, though.

I would say use him like they did Orton. Surprise title winner, hold belt for a month, Orton gains it back.

[Crush086]

From what I've seen, DiBiase isn't ready to carry the title. Love him in the long run, though.
Not now, but I imagine Orton is going to season him to be the main eventer when they feud. I doubt he'll win the title. Sheamus will probably retain it at the PPV.
Cody can't speak. Period. He is a perma-mid-carder until he can.

I thought Shelton would be a surprise winner for the Rumble last night because he's one of the E's 5 best in ring guys, and he REALLY stepped it up on the mic after he got moved to ECW. I hope it's in the cards for him eventually. Because he could be magnificent.
Yeah, Cody is pretty bad on the mic. I like Shelton though. I hate that he's on ECW, because I never watch ECW.

[kittensXLI]

I would say use him like they did Orton. Surprise title winner, hold belt for a month, Orton gains it back.
That's good in theory, but it kills me how titles become devalued. Granted DiBiase is likely (and eventually will be) better than others that've had reigns (both this soon, and short duration), it's still kind of the same. Taking it slow with guys like DiBiase, Rhodes, Miz, Kingston, etc is totally worth it in the long run. I don't think John Morrison or Shelton Benjamin are ready yet either, and they've been at it longer than those first four people.

[BotheDMBFan]

I doubt Cody will ever be able to. HORRIBLE voice. And he's not a big enough steroid freak to overcome that.


I want Mark Henry as a main event guy again. Dude ended up becoming the best big man in the E, aside from maybe Show.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's good in theory, but it kills me how titles become devalued. Granted DiBiase is likely (and eventually will be) better than others that've had reigns (both this soon, and short duration), it's still kind of the same. Taking it slow with guys like DiBiase, Rhodes, Miz, Kingston, etc is totally worth it in the long run. I don't think John Morrison or Shelton Benjamin are ready yet either, and they've been at it longer than those first four people.

Morrison is ready, Shelton is ready, DiBiase is almost ready, Miz will never be ready, Kingston needs to improve drastically in every area, Rhodes needs a speech therapist.

[kittensXLI]

I should probably start watching more and do some research on them. Forming these thoughts based on such small doses is probably wrong.

[Crush086]

That's good in theory, but it kills me how titles become devalued. Granted DiBiase is likely (and eventually will be) better than others that've had reigns (both this soon, and short duration), it's still kind of the same. Taking it slow with guys like DiBiase, Rhodes, Miz, Kingston, etc is totally worth it in the long run. I don't think John Morrison or Shelton Benjamin are ready yet either, and they've been at it longer than those first four people.
I thought that was terrible last year when Orton and Cena switched the title like 4 times over the course of the year.

That's why I hope Sheamus keeps it for a while. Soon Orton or HHH will have shattered the record for titles (which I imagine HHH will do again after he dumps Michaels, or Michaels dumps him).

[BotheDMBFan]

I should probably start watching more and do some research on them. Forming these thoughts based on such small doses is probably wrong.

Shelton is no Rock, but he's got kinda Mick Foley when Foley was pushed to the title skills. The occasional fuck up, but entertaining. Plus his great in ring work.

Morrison could be a star for YEARS.

[Crush086]

I like Morrison too. I want someone to at least be able to perform in the ring, instead of being a great talker, but sucking balls in matches.

[kittensXLI]

John Morrison is so legit. He's been my guy ever since Tough Enough.

Him and Shelton don't have to be amazing, or Rock/Mankind/etc caliber...yet. I don't think either is quite ready regardless of that status. If both **** up their microphone skills, then they'd be set. They both have great in-ring work and talent, of course, so that's not holding them back in my mind.

[shoegal_97]

Okay vince is really pissing me off and I couldn't believe I was jumping up and down screaming for someone to come out tpo help bret like the old days lol. I thought maybe cena would but nooooooo.

[ExperienceJones]

Okay vince is really pissing me off and I couldn't believe I was jumping up and down screaming for someone to come out tpo help bret like the old days lol. I thought maybe cena would but nooooooo.

I bet Cena came out after the show went off the air...there always tends to be a little bit more of a show for the people in the audience than we see on tV.

[Crush086]

I thought Cena would show up too. That was an opportunity too good for the Golden Boy to pass up I thought.

I would imagine he'll intervene next time though.

[hbktonyb]

DiBiase does nothing for me at all.

[DMBfan41]

the ending of the big show/kofi kingston match was bad i thought. i thought that it happened so that next week there would be some kind of redemption match, but next week big shows in the triple threat tag match. it seems like that little "i didnt do it on purpose!!" debacle was a one off. did you guys see kingston slip and rack himself trying to get onto the top rope. another kingston mess up, big show had to basically just stand in front of him then so he could get drop kicked. i like kofi kingston though, dudes athletic.

i'm going to raw a few weeks after wrestlemania, its in my home town.

that was tough watching that match. I like Kofi for his potential. That match he was just sloppy as hell. I would've rather have seen Big Show take over the match and go to the chamber. It's always good to have a big man in the championship chase.

[shoegal_97]

I thought Cena would show up too. That was an opportunity too good for the Golden Boy to pass up I thought.

I would imagine he'll intervene next time though.

Ya everyone was screaming his name including me! Lol hopefully there was a lil more to the show that we didn't see and they'll show it next week and I understand why vince is making bret look bad so that we can hate him more but I don't think I can take much more I want bret to kick his ass!!!

Also rock coming to raw will be awesome I'd love to see him kick ortons ass! Legend killer my aunt fanny

[davidhamrick10]

Morrison is ready, Shelton is ready, DiBiase is almost ready, Miz will never be ready, Kingston needs to improve drastically in every area, Rhodes needs a speech therapist.
that is not true, he is getting as much heat as any heel in WWE right now. I bet he wins MITB this year and cashes it in on Smackdown.

[Crush086]

Ya everyone was screaming his name including me! Lol hopefully there was a lil more to the show that we didn't see and they'll show it next week and I understand why vince is making bret look bad so that we can hate him more but I don't think I can take much more I want bret to kick his ass!!!

Also rock coming to raw will be awesome I'd love to see him kick ortons ass! Legend killer my aunt fanny
Whoa now, slow down with the Orton beatings.lol

Orton > The Rock

I kid, but Orton is my favorite. His mean streak is great, and although borderline molestation, him kissing Stephanie in front of HHH was great TV.

Batista was a total surprise for me though. I'm surprised he didn't tear a ligament restraining Bret.

[hbktonyb]

Miz has the biggest heat in the company right now...and during the Royal Rumble, there were huge Miz is Awesome chants.

[ExperienceJones]

Miz has the biggest heat in the company right now...and during the Royal Rumble, there were huge Miz is Awesome chants.

I can see the Miz winning money in the bank, think they'd have him drop the US title before that so it could be defended at WM?

Miz looks to be getting a big push here soon in my eyes, the way he works the crowd reminds me of Jericho. The crowd loves to hate him.

[ExperienceJones]

Here is a recap of what happened after Raw went off the air. Cena did come out to save him.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/off-air-raw-notes-who-saved-bret-wwe-title-match-more-95741

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2JNOFCNduQ

The Greatest of All Time.

[shoegal_97]

Here is a recap of what happened after Raw went off the air. Cena did come out to save him.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/off-air-raw-notes-who-saved-bret-wwe-title-match-more-95741

Ohhh gonna read now! Thanks!

I don't know what it is about orton but I just don't like him....didn't he used suck back in the day?

[shoegal_97]

I can't believe they didn't show any of that dangit! I'm starting to like Cena.......

[Crush086]

Here is a recap of what happened after Raw went off the air. Cena did come out to save him.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/off-air-raw-notes-who-saved-bret-wwe-title-match-more-95741
That actually sounds like a pretty badass ending. A big thanks HHH and Jack Swagger for making their pointless match go longer than it should have.lol
Ohhh gonna read now! Thanks!

I don't know what it is about orton but I just don't like him....didn't he used suck back in the day?
Maybe at the very beginning of his career. But he had the IC title with Evolution if I'm not mistaken, and even stole his first title with them too. Since then he's been a mainstay outside of when he's been injured if I'm not mistaken.

But I will say this:

Orton in Evolution >>>>>> John Cena the white rapper.

My hatred for Cena stems from that silly gimmick he used to have.

[Speilmen230]

The Rock's Funniest Moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gra37iG9bxE

[shoegal_97]

I will say I've always appreciated HHH for always being a bad guy. The ones who are good then turn heel then are good again, that annoys me. Although shawn micheals is the king of doing that and I still like him.

I guess I see orton the same way, always has been a bad guy.

As for cena, well lots of guys start out with silly gimicks right? Hello hunter hearst helmsley anyone? Lol

[Crush086]

HHH is a great bad guy. He's going to destroy Orton in the Elimination Chamber.

[ExperienceJones]

Was Hunter Hearse Helmsley the forgotten love child of William Regal. if you look at how Regal dresses it looks a lot like HHH back in his Intercontinental title days

[shoegal_97]

Was Hunter Hearse Helmsley the forgotten love child of William Regal. if you look at how Regal dresses it looks a lot like HHH back in his Intercontinental title days

Lol!!!!

And yes he is a great bad guy.degeneration x best thing could have happened to him.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOzRDMuGEME

Funny.

[ant_marching41]

Here is a recap of what happened after Raw went off the air. Cena did come out to save him.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/off-air-raw-notes-who-saved-bret-wwe-title-match-more-95741
I'm guessing that this would be the Cena/Sheamus title match that I would see if I decided to see WWE Live! this friday in Philly.

Well, I'm not going now!

[jackisback24]

ECW no more???

[kittensXLI]

Was that the announcement?

[jackisback24]

speculation and Vince will announce the future tonight.

Jericho won wrestler of the year in Observer awards for 2009. Brock MMA award for MVP.

[kittensXLI]

Hopefully they shut it down once and for all. Two shows a week is pushing too much, let alone three shows.

[K3nTaKa0s]

They need to combine all three brands.

[crashintonickdm]

They need to combine all three brands.

:thumbsup the brand thing is so fuckin dumb.

[kittensXLI]

Just end ECW and combine everyone into one big roster. Have Raw 2 hours every Monday, and have Smackdown 1 hour every Friday. Unify essentially all of the titles, leaving just the Undisputed, Intercontinental, United States, Tag Team, and Womens Championships; five is plenty.

[crashintonickdm]

guys like cena, orton, and all those other new dudes are so awful compared to the greats from the 90s.

ive been tuning in for bret vs. vince.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What time does ECW come on? Do I have the right day?

[kittensXLI]

I don't even think I get the Sci-Fi channel.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I get it, but wrestling isn't on. Maybe it starts at 10pm.

[shoegal_97]

guys like cena, orton, and all those other new dudes are so awful compared to the greats from the 90s.

ive been tuning in for bret vs. vince.

:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

This is the first time I've watched ECW and Shelton Benjamin just lost to a guy with a tramp stamp.

[kittensXLI]

Announcement news?

[K3nTaKa0s]

ECW is going off the air in three weeks, supposedly. I just missed Vince.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I guess they're getting a name change and new show direction. Will come back as NXT (next generation)... will be the current guys and the guys from the FCW.

[TheTallOne]

Maybe they should take it off of SyFy

[kittensXLI]

So dumb.

I guess I'm also so dumb for thinking the company would do the right thing and end the brand.

So dumb.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZpteGbxWo

[DmBand801]

I guess they're getting a name change and new show direction. Will come back as NXT (next generation)... will be the current guys and the guys from the FCW.

Yup, going to be a show that builds up the young talent of the WWE.

[Evans]

Yup, going to be a show that builds up the young talent of the WWE.

Well that should be interesting, kinda like watching pretend minor league baseball.

[hbktonyb]

ECW is terrible now.

[kittensXLI]

ECW has been terrible since the original company closed.
Fixed.

[hbktonyb]

yup..they completely ruined it

[jackisback24]

no wonder why Dreamer left.

[Speilmen230]

Just end ECW and combine everyone into one big roster. Have Raw 2 hours every Monday, and have Smackdown 1 hour every Friday. Unify essentially all of the titles, leaving just the Undisputed, Intercontinental, United States, Tag Team, and Womens Championships; five is plenty.

I agree on all points except they should make it 2 Hour Raw and 2 hour Smackdown and get back Sunday Night Heat for the Mid-Carder's and to build up the Pay-Per-View. Combine the two main championships into the WWE Heavyweight championship and then leave the Us and Intercontinental and then combine the woman's and call it a day. you then are left with more main eventer's and more mid carders and it will bring in good competition among the wrestler's.

[ExperienceJones]

Why is Zack Ryder (aka Jersey Shore guy) in the main event on ECW every week - I wonder if that guy hates his gimmick. Wht's with the tights with only one full pant leg? Wow, dumb.

[BotheDMBFan]

ECW was the best of the 3 brands now. Lame.

[jackisback24]

I agree on all points except they should make it 2 Hour Raw and 2 hour Smackdown and get back Sunday Night Heat for the Mid-Carder's and to build up the Pay-Per-View. Combine the two main championships into the WWE Heavyweight championship and then leave the Us and Intercontinental and then combine the woman's and call it a day. you then are left with more main eventer's and more mid carders and it will bring in good competition among the wrestler's.


I miss Sunday Night Heat. I'm for the return of that show.

[Speilmen230]

Another thing with the Brand's is that they don't mean anything anymore. it used to mean a lot but now it doesn't mean shit.

with a combined roster it would look like this:

Main Eventer's
Triple H
John Cena
The Undertaker
Batista
Shawn Michaels
Edge
Chris Jericho
Randy Orton

Upper Mid-Carder's
Christian
Kofi Kingston
Big Show
Kane
Sheamus
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
CM Punk
John Morrison
Drew McIntyre
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Ted Dibiase

Lower-Mid-Carder's
Cody Rhodes
Jack Swagger
Chris Masters
Evan Bourne
Carlito
Mark Henry
Santino Marella
Chavo Guerrero
Charlie Haas
Dolph Ziggler
Finlay
JTG
Shad
R-Truth
The Great Khali
David Hart Smith

[kittensXLI]

I agree on all points except they should make it 2 Hour Raw and 2 hour Smackdown and get back Sunday Night Heat for the Mid-Carder's and to build up the Pay-Per-View. Combine the two main championships into the WWE Heavyweight championship and then leave the Us and Intercontinental and then combine the woman's and call it a day. you then are left with more main eventer's and more mid carders and it will bring in good competition among the wrestler's.

I miss Sunday Night Heat. I'm for the return of that show.
Sunday Night Heat was great, but bringing it back would just seem like a lame attempt to thrive off more old (yet successful) ideas from the 90's. Granted, as a fan, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I'd LOVE to see it happen. It won't, so might as well try something along the same lines yet different at the same time. I didn't realize how big their roster is right now, so maybe a 1 hour Smackdown would be bad. I guess keep only two shows, Monday and Friday, two hours each, no brand split.

[Crush086]

Another thing with the Brand's is that they don't mean anything anymore. it used to mean a lot but now it doesn't mean shit.

with a combined roster it would look like this:

Main Eventer's
Triple H
John Cena
The Undertaker
Batista
Shawn Michaels
Edge
Chris Jericho
Randy Orton

Upper Mid-Carder's
Christian
Kofi Kingston
Big Show
Kane
Sheamus
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
CM Punk
John Morrison
Drew McIntyre
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Ted Dibiase

Lower-Mid-Carder's
Cody Rhodes
Jack Swagger
Chris Masters
Evan Bourne
Carlito
Mark Henry
Santino Marella
Chavo Guerrero
Charlie Haas
Dolph Ziggler
Finlay
JTG
Shad
R-Truth
The Great Khali
David Hart Smith
Why is Sheamus not a Main Eventer? The guy may not be a seasoned veteran, but he's got the title, so I figured he'd at least be in that listing.

Either way, I doubt alot of the wrestlers would want to go back to the 300 day workyear, so they'll probably keep this format.

Sucks because I only watch Raw because of this. If Cena and Orton and the others were more frequent on Smackdown, I'd watch that too.

[Speilmen230]

Why is Sheamus not a Main Eventer? The guy may not (<-- not was added during the edit) be a seasoned veteran, but he's got the title, so I figured he'd at least be in that listing.

Either way, I doubt alot of the wrestlers would want to go back to the 300 day workyear, so they'll probably keep this format.

Sucks because I only watch Raw because of this. If Cena and Orton and the others were more frequent on Smackdown, I'd watch that too.

I just feel that he doesn't fall in the same breath at The Undertaker, HBK, Triple H, hell even John Cena & Randy Orton.

[kittensXLI]

Hmm, that's an interesting breakdown Speil. I'm going to check out the rosters and make my own ideal list of tiers too.

[Speilmen230]

Another thing with the Brand's is that they don't mean anything anymore. it used to mean a lot but now it doesn't mean shit.

with a combined roster it would look like this:

Main Eventer's
Triple H
John Cena
The Undertaker
Batista
Shawn Michaels
Edge
Chris Jericho
Randy Orton
Sheamus

Upper Mid-Carder's
Christian
Kofi Kingston
Big Show
Kane
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
CM Punk
John Morrison
Drew McIntyre
Rey Mysterio
The Miz
Ted Dibiase

Lower-Mid-Carder's
Cody Rhodes
Jack Swagger
Chris Masters
Evan Bourne
Carlito
Mark Henry
Santino Marella
Chavo Guerrero
Charlie Haas
Dolph Ziggler
Finlay
JTG
Shad
R-Truth
The Great Khali
David Hart Smith

added sheamus to the Main Eventer's column.

[BotheDMBFan]

Mark Henry should be a main eventer. Period.

[Speilmen230]

Hmm, that's an interesting breakdown Speil. I'm going to check out the rosters and make my own ideal list of tiers too.

i left out people that have very little air time of like Slam Master J and Kung Fu Naki, and Jimmy Wang Yang.

[kittensXLI]

i left out people that have very little air time of like Slam Master J and Kung Fu Naki, and Jimmy Wang Yang.
That's fine. I don't know any of those people anyway haha.

[Crush086]

I just feel that he doesn't fall in the same breath at The Undertaker, HBK, Triple H, hell even John Cena & Randy Orton.
I think the biggest issue is that he isn't in enough meaningful matches. His Raw debut was against Jamie Noble, and most of the time it's sneak attacking people.

I missed the match against Orton at Royal Rumble, so I honestly still have no idea how good of a performer he really is.

He makes a good heel, but so does Orton, and Orton can wrestle.

Outside of that, your list is solid.

[TheTallOne]

Mark Henry is definitely an upper-mid card. I also think that Sheamus is in the same category. He's not developed enough to be considered a main event guy, even though he may be doing a lot of top of the card matches.

[Speilmen230]

Mark Henry should be a main eventer. Period.

but he's not... sooo yeah... IMO Henry and Big Show both could be main eventer's if they weren't so out of shape.

Henry then: http://wwe.mytopix.com/img/m/mark_henry-0.jpg

Henry Now: http://blog.masslive.com/entertainment/2008/07/large_713Mark-Henry2.jpg

Big Show Then: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/4123318

Big Show Now:http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the-big-show-interview-20041209025143110.jpg

[BotheDMBFan]

Dude, that's muscle mass n shit. Mark Henry went from being a funny big fat black guy, to being the best big man in the business.

And I didn't mean he should be a main eventer on your list, I just mean for the company. He should get a push again. His fueds with the main event guys are ALWAYS amazing.

[kittensXLI]

Big Show Then: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/377012/4123318

Big Show Now:http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the-big-show-interview-20041209025143110.jpg
To be fair, Big Show "then" was something I like to call "90's thin", and he'll obviously never come close to that again. You'd be surprised at the vast majority of people, well outside of the wrestling world, who had great 90's thin-ness and bodies, then packed on weight last decade. The odd part is, it's worked in the opposite direction as well, with many 90's heavy people shedding pounds and getting thin recently. People were just so naturally small(er) back then, and naturally bigger today. :shrug

[Speilmen230]

also with the rumors of Wrestlemania being Shawn Michael's last match for a while i think it is safe to say that getting rid of the brands would be the best thing possible. It would create competition between the wrestler's to work harder and get better and it would also add the ability to make new interesting matches that don't happen because of the brand split. I know the WWE is all about merchandise but they really are in desperate need of shaking up the heel/face world i know they love their baby face John Cena and evil Randy Orton but why not turn HHH heel and make Edge a fan favorite?

it just seems to me that there is no more fun left in promo making. like when randy orton cuts a promo the lights are dim and its all slow and monotone and basically boring, same thing with jericho. what ever happened to insulting the crowd and being energetic and insulting the wrestler and having basically rip fests on one another. now its oh i sneak attack you then you sneak attack me back. ZZZZZ boring... god i need to be a wwe writer...

[kittensXLI]

also with the rumors of Wrestlemania being Shawn Michael's last match for a while i think it is safe to say that getting rid of the brands would be the best thing possible. It would create competition between the wrestler's to work harder and get better and it would also add the ability to make new interesting matches that don't happen because of the brand split. I know the WWE is all about merchandise but they really are in desperate need of shaking up the heel/face world i know they love their baby face John Cena and evil Randy Orton but why not turn HHH heel and make Edge a fan favorite?

it just seems to me that there is no more fun left in promo making. like when randy orton cuts a promo the lights are dim and its all slow and monotone and basically boring, same thing with jericho. what ever happened to insulting the crowd and being energetic and insulting the wrestler and having basically rip fests on one another. now its oh i sneak attack you then you sneak attack me back. ZZZZZ boring... god i need to be a wwe writer...
With a PG product, insults and situations like that will be nonexistent.

[Speilmen230]

To be fair, Big Show "then" was something I like to call "90's thin", and he'll obviously never come close to that again. You'd be surprised at the vast majority of people, well outside of the wrestling world, who had great 90's thin-ness and bodies, then packed on weight last decade. The odd part is, it's worked in the opposite direction as well, with many 90's heavy people shedding pounds and getting thin recently. People were just so naturally small(er) back then, and naturally bigger today. :shrug

and i can agree and support that. they are human beings who age, and the older one gets the harder it is to keep off weight. i mean the big show isn't a spring chicken anymore. he is 37 years old, same thing with Triple H, he is now 40 years old. The Rock is 37 years old just like big show but the thing with him is that he is much more of an athlete than the big show is.

[TheTallOne]

The other issue is that WWE is focused on the "larger than life" persona, so in the case of Show and Henry, the bigger the better from a business standpoint

[Speilmen230]

With a PG product, insults and situations like that will be nonexistent.

i mean you can still have fun with a promo without being vulgar. i mean what constitutes as being PG? Chris Jericho can't say his famous "Shut THE HELL UP!"

[kittensXLI]

and i can agree and support that. they are human beings who age, and the older one gets the harder it is to keep off weight. i mean the big show isn't a spring chicken anymore. he is 37 years old, same thing with Triple H, he is now 40 years old. The Rock is 37 years old just like big show but the thing with him is that he is much more of an athlete than the big show is.
After my last message, I immediately thought about that point. What I'm talking about is a little bit different, though. For example, Tom Hanks is fatter now, but he's older and like you said, it is harder to keep off weight. Shawn Michaels isn't as small, built, or toned as he was in the 90's, but he's still been able to remain relatively the same. Another thing, yes, The Big Show is nowhere near the athlete some wrestlers, such as The Rock, are. Eric Bischoff himself has said Big Show has always been lazy, even in WCW. It's a shame. I look at it kind of like this :

"average" in the 90's = skinny today
heavy/above weight in the 90's = average today
fat today = very overweight in the 90's

HBK in the 90's was pretty average as far as build and weight go, right? HHH was more of a bigger person. Take both of them in 90's form and put them in today's society, and it's as if they're bumped a level; HBK would be skinny, HHH would be average, etc. Someone like current Big Show would be almost unheard of in the 90's, at least in the healthy/athletic stance.

Kane and Undertaker were giants last decade, and they have bigger bodies now since they're a decade older, but they're still not the same as Henry, Show, Khali, etc.

[BotheDMBFan]

We need the brands, frankly.

[TheTallOne]

We need the brands, frankly.

There is way too much money in branding to even think that they will be stopped in the near future.

[BotheDMBFan]

There is way too much money in branding to even think that they will be stopped in the near future.

What do you do with all of the titles?

The brand split was one of the best things that ever happened to wrestling. More guys got the chance to compete.

[kittensXLI]

There is zero positive reason to have more than five championships.

[BotheDMBFan]

There is zero positive reason to have more than five championships.

There are negative 5 positive reasons to have two women's titles.

[kittensXLI]

There are negative 5 positive reasons to have two women's titles.
I'd fire all the women who aren't valets, managers, in a stable, or interviewers, and not because of some bullcrap non-politically correct reason(s). Too small of a percentage of viewers like the women's division to keep it relevant.

[TheTallOne]

What do you do with all of the titles?

The brand split was one of the best things that ever happened to wrestling. More guys got the chance to compete.

I agree with you. I think things should, and will, stay how they are.

[Crush086]

The biggest issue I see with Henry and Show and the bigger guys is that they are limited in the ring. John Cena is probably the only guy who can put on a good match with these guys, but that's because he's so strong that he can pick them up and all that.

When I see a match like Orton/HHH/other main eventer vs. Big Show or Henry, you know the match is going to be boring because it's going to be nothing but punches and kicks, then assaulting the leg to take them down, then a sleeper hold or something while they're down.

A match like Styles/Kurt Angle is great because they are a)both good wrestlers, and b)are agile enough (at least AJ is) to do top rope moves and the such.

I like Sheamus because he appears to be very fit and powerful, so once he gets more experience will probably be able to have some great matches down the line.

[TheTallOne]

The big guys can't do turnbuckle/ top rope things either because they will kill the people they land on

[Speilmen230]

I agree with you. I think things should, and will, stay how they are.

the bad thing about the brand split is that the championships have no value anymore. it means absolutely means nothing to hold the WWE Championship or the World Heavyweight Championship. Sheamus completely devalues the WWE Championship. Giving Sheamus the belt would have been like giving Kane the WWF championship to Kane a month after he debuted.

[BotheDMBFan]

Henry and Angle worked a personal top 10 match for me. Big Show has been involved in some of the best matches in the E's history.

[Speilmen230]

this is how a wrestling feud is supposed to go IMO. back and forth then one or the other takes the upper hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDa4A7v3-z0

[Crush086]

the bad thing about the brand split is that the championships have no value anymore. it means absolutely means nothing to hold the WWE Championship or the World Heavyweight Championship. Sheamus completely devalues the WWE Championship. Giving Sheamus the belt would have been like giving Kane the WWF championship to Kane a month after he debuted.
The biggest problem with Sheamus is that he just didn't do enough to make you say "yeah, that's a good champion". Don't get me wrong, I like that someone new has the title, and Sheamus has potential, but there's not a ton of deserving guys on Raw that you would've not been tired of.

Shawn Michaels is probably the only main event status guy I can think of, but he's already gunning for the Taker's title. Anyone outside of that would be bleh to me.

[Speilmen230]

The biggest problem with Sheamus is that he just didn't do enough to make you say "yeah, that's a good champion". Don't get me wrong, I like that someone new has the title, and Sheamus has potential, but there's not a ton of deserving guys on Raw that you would've not been tired of.

Shawn Michaels is probably the only main event status guy I can think of, but he's already gunning for the Taker's title. Anyone outside of that would be bleh to me.

i honestly would have loved a Triple H heel turn and have him gun for the title against Cena. that to me would have been perfect. i would have been more than happy with that.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'll never forget when Kevin Nash powerbombed The Giant.