Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk was behind the whole thing.

[kittensXLI]

If Truth ends up being right about the conspiracy...best angle ever.
It really would be.

[JRS1386]

Love the shirt getting tossed back :lol

[Rodey]

:lol :lol :lol Throwing the shirt back. Edmonton wins for best fans.

[gocubsgo3822]

:lol :lol :lol

[kittensXLI]

King is such a turd. F him.

[kittensXLI]

Punk's psychology is so perfect.

[JRS1386]

They need a new commentator to replace King

[YankeesDMB41]

Jr and Cole would be fine...no need for a replacment

[jaking1185]

I think Laurenitis is behind all this to undermine HHH for Vince to get his job back.

[Speilmen230]

Laurenitis would be such a cop out. really really lame Imo. Get more creative than that.

[jackisback24]

Smackdown live on Tuesday.

[Speilmen230]

Punk: "I'm FLYING!!"

[Rodey]

The best would be if it was Shane O'Mac sent the text. Sadly, he'll probably never be back. :( :(

[kittensXLI]

F Cena. Ruining the Crippler Crossface.

[jackisback24]

Scott Hall, Chyna or Road Dogg with maybe Eugene behind this.

[Rodey]

No one has done a good flying elbow since Macho Man.

[gocubsgo3822]

I love the super fameasser .. that was a good looking one

[Speilmen230]

This has been one of the best TV matches in a while.

[kittensXLI]

How can someone who can't sell a thing be the face of the company.

Oh right. Thanks Hulk.

[JRS1386]

King is the Paula Abdul of this group

[kittensXLI]

No one has done a good flying elbow since Macho Man.
Ever heard of this guy named Shawn Michaels?

[Speilmen230]

How can someone who can't sell a thing be the face of the company.

Oh right. Thanks Hulk.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Rodey]

Ever heard of this guy named Shawn Michaels?

Forgot about him :lol

[kittensXLI]

This would never happen. Punk's too smart to let it affect his title shot.

[Speilmen230]

fucking... hell....

ugh...

[JRS1386]

Where's the integrity in winning like this John?

[gocubsgo3822]

ugh... that was so annoying

[Rodey]

Alberto! Yes!

[jackisback24]

Vince Russo booking?

[Speilmen230]

should have ended in Punk running down the aisle after Nash and getting counted out.

[gocubsgo3822]

This would never happen. Punk's too smart to let it affect his title shot.

Agreed. Out of charachter for punk to do that.. Now where does Punk go? Is aitch gonna wrestle? Is nash?

[DmBand801]

This would never happen. Punk's too smart to let it affect his title shot.

Agreed 100%.

[AndySlash]

This would never happen. Punk's too smart to let it affect his title shot.

unless he's the puppet master

[justinandimcool]

Best RAW top to bottom I've seen in forever. Great promos, great matches, hilarious moments. It says a lot that I loved this episode even if Cena won. Keep it up WWE.

[JacobLovesYou]

Does this Vicky thing end up turning Swagger face, or is the US Champ feud still gunna be A-Ry and Dolph?

[kittensXLI]

Does this Vicky thing end up turning Swagger face, or is the US Champ feud still gunna be A-Ry and Dolph?
I think they can mix it all together, and very well too if they play it right. Vickie is too annoying to be a face, though. But if they think Dolph is an established enough of a heel, he alone could turn Vickie and Swagger face, which would be fantastic for everyone involved. Dolph could work either fan alignment, but he's such a stronger heel in my opinion. This entire situation with these 4 has a ton of potential regardless. I love it.

[hbktonyb]

Great Raw last night. ADR, Miz, Troof and Punk own WWE right now.

I think people need to get off Cena's ass, at least for now. Another great Cena match, and his mic work has been good over the past couple of months.

[kittensXLI]

Shocking Cena's "best" matches have been against Punk, Jericho, and HBK. There's no trend behind that...

Cena's mic work could be debated to somehow actually getting worse. Massively worse. I didn't think it was possible, but he hits new lows basically every week or two.

[hbktonyb]

Completely disagree. Cena's offense has been more diverse and his promos have been miles better than the 5 year old poop joke promos.

[Speilmen230]

I agree with Tony on this one. i think Cena isn't nearly as bad as he was say last year. His promos have become more real and less cartoonish. Cena has improved over the last few months. He still isn't good. But he is passable now.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Monday's WWE Raw television show drew a 2.97 rating, which is down from the 3.27 rating the show drew last week. Monday's Raw averaged 4.64 million viewers.

[Speilmen230]

2.97?? jesus, that is low.

[hbktonyb]

That is low...weird because Raw is just so good right now.

Yeah I'm not saying Cena is the best. I enjoy Punk/Miz/Troof/ADR a hell of a lot more. But Cena has been so much better. I hope it continues.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm sure it would've helped had they promoted Punk/Cena.

[hbktonyb]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
The Earthquake on the East Coast was caused by WWE dropping the ball with me! WWWYKI

[JRS1386]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
The Earthquake on the East Coast was caused by WWE dropping the ball with me! WWWYKI

:lol perfect

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
The Earthquake on the East Coast was caused by WWE dropping the ball with me! WWWYKI
Vintage Zack!

[BotheDMBFan]

He was on TV last night...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Todd Grisham called his final WWE NXT television show on Tuesday. William Regal acknowledged his broadcast partner's departure during the show, and then wished Grisham luck "in your new career at ESPN" in a Twitter post.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's fine, Grisham fucking sucked. Although, he hated TNA/IMPACT! with more fucking passion than Hitler hated the Jews.

[K3nTaKa0s]

A match between Sin Cara and Heath Slater at Tuesday's Smackdown taping was so poor that WWE opted to reshoot the match later in the night.

Source: PW.net

[hbktonyb]

:lol Sin Cara is a mess.

[kittensXLI]

Is anybody else really excited for the live Smackdown next week? It should be very good.

[hbktonyb]

Is anybody else really excited for the live Smackdown next week? It should be very good.

Yup, more reason to watch. Part of the reason I'm not a regular Smackdown guy is because I always read spoilers.

[wnderwoman]

A match between Sin Cara and Heath Slater at Tuesday's Smackdown taping was so poor that WWE opted to reshoot the match later in the night.

Source: PW.net

I think you should be moving along. Your views on the company etc have been pretty well voiced. Find something else to do, consider this a warning.

[Crush086]

I think you should be moving along. Your views on the company etc have been pretty well voiced. Find something else to do, consider this a warning.
It's true though. Supposedly the first match was full of botches and a premature finish, so they literally brought the guys out for another match. I hear they may have even done it a third time, but K3n's info is truthful.

Shit, I probably should've spoilered that. My bad.

[wnderwoman]

It's true though. Supposedly the first match was full of botches and a premature finish, so they literally brought the guys out for another match. I hear they may have even done it a third time, but K3n's info is truthful.

Shit, I probably should've spoilered that. My bad.

I am referring to the sum total of his posts, not that one specifically. Coming into a thread justvto post negative things every time, is just trolling.

[JacobLovesYou]

nice angela!

[Rodey]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Back on LI for a couple of days...@M_Chiappetta better have the fridge stocked with BLLs
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
in reply to ↑

@steveaustinBSR
Steve Austin
@ZackRyder for gods sake, kid...buy a real beer.
42 minutes ago via Echofon

:lol:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

Not gonna lie, I love BLL's :lol

[Rodey]

Not gonna lie, I love BLL's :lol

I've never had one.

Usually if I want something like that though, I order a Corona with a lime.

[AndySlash]

I think you should be moving along. Your views on the company etc have been pretty well voiced. Find something else to do, consider this a warning.

oh come on.

[AndySlash]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Back on LI for a couple of days...@M_Chiappetta better have the fridge stocked with BLLs
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
in reply to ↑

@steveaustinBSR
Steve Austin
@ZackRyder for gods sake, kid...buy a real beer.
42 minutes ago via Echofon

:lol:lol:lol


heh, awesome

[Speilmen230]

I think you should be moving along. Your views on the company etc have been pretty well voiced. Find something else to do, consider this a warning.

i didn't even think mods came in here.

[Rodey]

oh come on.

It does get annoying though.

I think everyone in here except K3nTa is open-minded when it comes to the different companies. Hell, I know I've seen Kittens praise TNA in the past if they do something well. K3nTa is different, he purposely just posts negative shit about WWE to get people going. Like I've never legitimately seen him say something good about the company without putting some sort of sarcastic twist on it.

[wnderwoman]

I have no problem with someone expressing their opinions (positive or negative) but when it's constant and always harping the same thing, it contributes nothing.

[keithcoldroses]

In all honesty, most of his viewpoints are typically valid. It's not like he's the only one in the world who is negative towards WWE's product the last half decade.

[wnderwoman]

In all honesty, most of his viewpoints are typically valid. It's not like he's the only one in the world who is negative towards WWE's product the last half decade.

The world doesn't post here, please read what I wrote again.

[AndySlash]

for fucks sake the guy posted a news item. he didn't mock anything. he didn't name call. and the dude has barely posted recently.

kenta gets so much crap here. he certainly isn't as brash as the people who respond to his posts are, that's for sure. god forbid he not like what the wwe does and post about it in the wrestling thread. the horror.

[wnderwoman]

for fucks sake the guy posted a news item. he didn't mock anything. he didn't name call. and the dude has barely posted recently.

kenta gets so much crap here. he certainly isn't as brash as the people who respond to his posts are, that's for sure. god forbid he not like what the wwe does and post about it in the wrestling thread. the horror.

Calm down dude.

You're the one making it a big deal. I said either knock off every other post being how much you hate it or go post somewhere else. I don't have time to quote every post he has done this in (as it's quite a few).

So how about you proceed with the discussion of the thread.

[hbktonyb]

It does get annoying though.

I think everyone in here except K3nTa is open-minded when it comes to the different companies. Hell, I know I've seen Kittens praise TNA in the past if they do something well. K3nTa is different, he purposely just posts negative shit about WWE to get people going. Like I've never legitimately seen him say something good about the company without putting some sort of sarcastic twist on it.

Agree with this, I think this is the main issue.

I have no problem with someone expressing their opinions (positive or negative) but when it's constant and always harping the same thing, it contributes nothing.

:thumbsup

for fucks sake the guy posted a news item. he didn't mock anything. he didn't name call. and the dude has barely posted recently.

kenta gets so much crap here. he certainly isn't as brash as the people who respond to his posts are, that's for sure. god forbid he not like what the wwe does and post about it in the wrestling thread. the horror.

Whoa :lol



Anyways regarding next week, why is Smackdown live on Tuesday??

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow. I didn't think it would come to this.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238732/feds_crack_down_on_illegally_streamed_sporting_eve nts.html

Article about the Feds shutting down streams and arresting people...

[Speilmen230]

Either they are trying to pop SD!'s ratings or they are testing the waters for semi-regular Live Smackdowns.

Those are my two best guesses.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238732/feds_crack_down_on_illegally_streamed_sporting_eve nts.html

Article about the Feds shutting down streams and arresting people...

Its the fucking man, man.

[JacobLovesYou]

I haven't heard any reasoning for why, but I'm excited that it is. And Angela is 100% right. The truth behind things he posts isn't the issue. Standing with a bullhorn in the corner of a room spouting the same tired rhetoric is.

We all post like we're at the big kids table.

[JacobLovesYou]

K3n, if you just have normal conversations you're fine. Instead you choose the low point of a show to post about and comment on nothing else. Converse.

[GrooGrux420]

Either they are trying to pop SD!'s ratings or they are testing the waters for semi-regular Live Smackdowns.

Those are my two best guesses.

I read somewhere they are doing it because they expect low ratings due to it being labor day weekend.

[jackisback24]

Wait, Angela likes wrestling?:eek

[JacobLovesYou]

I read somewhere they are doing it because they expect low ratings due to it being labor day weekend.
That makes sense. It should be interesting.

[Rodey]

SyFy probably wanted/needed a ratings boost. That channel is so shit.

[ant_marching41]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238732/feds_crack_down_on_illegally_streamed_sporting_eve nts.html

Article about the Feds shutting down streams and arresting people...
Well that's not good.

[K3nTaKa0s]

K3n, if you just have normal conversations you're fine. Instead you choose the low point of a show to post about and comment on nothing else. Converse.

What would you like to talk about?

[JacobLovesYou]

Do any of you guys know anything about the progress of a WWE channel? Would it be available to basic cable or only premium?

[AndySlash]

Calm down dude.

You're the one making it a big deal. I said either knock off every other post being how much you hate it or go post somewhere else. I don't have time to quote every post he has done this in (as it's quite a few).

So how about you proceed with the discussion of the thread.

i'm plenty calm, friend. i just think your warning is hardly justified and i felt compelled to say so. if you do ever find the time to quote his every other post, you may just realize what i do- it's not a big deal. if anyone is truly bothered by it, then maybe they need to calm down.

i'd say i'd be glad to continue wrestling discussion with you, but i don't ever recall you even posting in this thread to have any discussion with.

so anyway, how about that sin cara?! it's just been all downhill from his botchfest debut, hasn't it?

[AndySlash]

Do any of you guys know anything about the progress of a WWE channel? Would it be available to basic cable or only premium?

dollars to donuts it starts out premium. if it falters, i could see them making agreements for basic cable distribution.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238732/feds_crack_down_on_illegally_streamed_sporting_eve nts.html

Article about the Feds shutting down streams and arresting people...

Well, they're breaking the law...big time...

That said, the streams we all mostly use are from Europe, so it doesn't matter.

[BotheDMBFan]

i'm plenty calm, friend. i just think your warning is hardly justified and i felt compelled to say so. if you do ever find the time to quote his every other post, you may just realize what i do- it's not a big deal. if anyone is truly bothered by it, then maybe they need to calm down.

i'd say i'd be glad to continue wrestling discussion with you, but i don't ever recall you even posting in this thread to have any discussion with.

so anyway, how about that sin cara?! it's just been all downhill from his botchfest debut, hasn't it?

She's a mod, moderating a thread, presumably because a user had a problem. Like she said, you can have a problem with something; there's just a certain way to go about it. Kent has gotten to the point where it feels like every time he posts about the E (which I would say amount to around 75% of his posts in here) it's incredibly negative, especially when not warranted. It's like going into a band appreciation thread (let's pick The Eagles, because I've had a rough night) and saying constantly, around 3-5 times a week, that they suck and barely ever saying why. Even if what you say has some kind of reason behind it, if you don't explain it when called on it, it's STILL trolling, and gets you a reputation as being one.

Also, calm down and stop being a dick. :D (I say you're being a dick, because you're being a dick. Oh, and because you're reacting incredibly passionately to this. But mostly because you're being a dick. ;) )

[wnderwoman]

i'm plenty calm, friend. i just think your warning is hardly justified and i felt compelled to say so. if you do ever find the time to quote his every other post, you may just realize what i do- it's not a big deal. if anyone is truly bothered by it, then maybe they need to calm down.

i'd say i'd be glad to continue wrestling discussion with you, but i don't ever recall you even posting in this thread to have any discussion with.

so anyway, how about that sin cara?! it's just been all downhill from his botchfest debut, hasn't it?

I'm a mod on these boards, I don't post in most threads but I still moniter them. If you want to continue this id be happy to show you how irrational I can be (I am a woman afterall) so how about you just save your fight for justice for something else. Or keep arguing and see how that goes. :)

[JacobLovesYou]

Well if WWE channel was premium, my hopes would be very high. They own SO MUCH stuff. I'd also like to see a weekly shoot talk show, but that'd never happen

[BotheDMBFan]

Can I continue to fight for injustice?

[wnderwoman]

Sorry for the interuption.

So how about those body slams and what not?

[hbktonyb]

Sorry for the interuption.

So how about those body slams and what not?

:lol :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Sorry for the interuption.

So how about those body slams and what not?

Body slams are almost dead. You should watch the show on Monday. Dammit.

[hbktonyb]

It's real to me!

[davidhamrick10]

Wow. I didn't think it would come to this.
I's a conspiracy,C...O....N....SPiracy!
Sorry for the interuption.

So how about those body slams and what not?
The What Not would mak a fantastic finisher!

[clayj41]

http://collider.com/dwayne-johnson-jerry-bruckheimer-nbc-wrestling-drama/111330/

For those who don't want to click the link:

With the actor first gaining fame as a professional wrestler who only used to be known as The Rock, what better man than Dwayne Johnson to bring a drama series set in the world of wresting to television. Deadline reports NBC has just picked up a pilot from Johnson and producer Jerry Bruckheimer that will take place during the golden age of wrestling in the 1980′s. With World Championship Wrestling and the World Wrestling Federation being at the top of their game in that decade, it’s the perfect setting for such a series which will be written by Brent Fletcher and Seamus Kevin Fahey (Spartacus: Gods of the Arena)

It’s yet another period drama heading to networks following the success of Mad Men, and the premiere of new dramas like Pan-Am and The Playboy Club this fall. The question is whether or not real wrestling icons like Hulk Hogan or Randy “Macho Man” Savage will be included, or if the drama will be completely fictionalized. Since wrestling has never been my cup of tea, I’m not necessarily excited, but I could’ve said the same thing about my interest in a New York ad agency in the 60′s and now I can’t miss an episode of Mad Men, so there you go.

I'm SO in.

[JacobLovesYou]

Sorry for the interuption.

So how about those body slams and what not?

:lol :lol

[JacobLovesYou]

Hopefully its either completely fictionalized or is about a fictional regional company and has real world wrestling history happening in the background. I like the second idea better. There'd be something cool about characters talking about the first WM and stuff.

[waterboy100]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238732/feds_crack_down_on_illegally_streamed_sporting_eve nts.html

Article about the Feds shutting down streams and arresting people...

/on soapbox

this "operation in out sites" crap is fucking disgusting.

i dont mind ICE monitoring bootleg and streaming sites, but i do have a problem with press conferences being at disney corp. headquarters, i do have a problem with the due process of the law being violated, and i do have a problem with the USA trying to extradite people from Europe for things that are taking place on the internet and arent illegal where the person lives.

/off the soapbox.

[JRS1386]

It disgust me that at WM it's going to be The Rock vs Jon Cena for the belt and the Rock may just win it.

[kittensXLI]

I read somewhere they are doing it because they expect low ratings due to it being labor day weekend.
I think you're right. It's a shame this Punk stuff has been happening during the worst part of the calendar year. Despite the fact they're completely overrated, the ratings always tend to slump in the summer. 4th of July was brutal, but what did anyone expect? Even if the live episode is just partially because of Labor Day, it's still a good decision.

Live Smackdown every week would totally rule. SD already is so good. It's a shame more people don't watch it. Any program that's taped should be as good as Smackdown is. There's no excuse not to.

[JRS1386]

If SD goes full live time Sin Cara should be axed/sent to develop more

[kittensXLI]

If SD goes full live time Sin Cara should be axed/sent to develop more
I agree with this.

[JRS1386]

You know what's sad that every belt that isn't the main chamPionship belt is worthless. They need to find a way to bring meaning to both the US and Intercontinental belts. i think the current holders of each is a good start. Also each should be defended more often. Also the tag belts are a joke.

[kittensXLI]

Cody and Dolph are definitely big steps in the right direction. 10 of the last 11 people to hold the IC Title have been worthy; it's just the amount of exposure that's the issue, I think at least.

The last few weeks Dolph, despite his limited on-screen time, has talked about making the US Title not only relevant, but the best and most important title. Which is great. He's the champion, so he should say and believe that. If he doesn't care about his title or being champion or not being on television, why should we? It really comes down to the behind the scenes management as far as making the belt look better, at this point. They have a great guy to hold it, as he can talk and wrestle and have a gimmick and get over. Management/suits giving him more support is the last step really. Hopefully both titles can continue (re)becoming relevant, important, and prestigious again. No matter how long it takes.

[GrooGrux420]

Anyone watch the Indie doc on National Geographic? I thought it was pretty good.

[bartender_man]

It disgust me that at WM it's going to be The Rock vs Jon Cena for the belt and the Rock may just win it.


And you want Cena to win it?? Wow...

[kittensXLI]

I'd rather Rock win it and drop it to Miz, because we all know Cena will never drop it cleanly.

[kittensXLI]

Matt Hardy was rushed to the hospital again...??

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/24/ex-tna-wrestler-matt-hardy-rushed-emergency-room-er-injury-accident/#.TlYDFTuiJ0R

Didn't see anything about it in here so not sure if this is old news or not yet.

[bartender_man]

I'd rather Rock win it and drop it to Miz, because we all know Cena will never drop it cleanly.

I think they should have Punk vs Cena vs Rock for the main event at WM with Punk winning. That would be sweet.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think they should have Punk vs Cena vs Rock for the main event at WM with Punk winning. That would be sweet.

Or Rock could just fuck off, that'd be nice.

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk v Cena>>>>Rock v Punk>>>>Rock v Cena>>>>>Rock v Cena v Punk.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/240877-exclusive-why-booker-t-has-a-large-commentary-presence

Agreed.

[BotheDMBFan]

And you want Cena to win it?? Wow...

Between those two? Absolutely. If Rock goes over, that is ridiculous.

[BotheDMBFan]

SD! to go live every week if this one does well. http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/241061-charlie-sheen-gmatt-hardy-sd-going-live-every-week-wwe-announcers

[bartender_man]

Or Rock could just fuck off, that'd be nice.

That would be fine with me. :thumbsup

[bartender_man]

Between those two? Absolutely. If Rock goes over, that is ridiculous.

See the logic but I just hate Cena to much to agree ;)

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm becoming a Cena fan the past few months. He is the perfect guy to be opposite Punk. The biggest reason? They don't hate each other...they just have hardly any fucking thing in common. Their matches are pretty much of a mutual respect, and they work really well together despite having clashing styles.

[bartender_man]

I do love watching Punk Cena go head to head- agreed

[JRS1386]

And you want Cena to win it?? Wow...

Over the Rock, hell yea. Read below.

I'd rather Rock win it and drop it to Miz, because we all know Cena will never drop it cleanly.

:thumbsup

Or Rock could just fuck off, that'd be nice.

:lol:lol:lol If Rock were to come back to wrasslin full time (which would be foolish) I would feel slightly different, but still would rather him not overshadow the new young talent in the WWE right now

Between those two? Absolutely. If Rock goes over, that is ridiculous.

Another bomb filled with truth

SD! to go live every week if this one does well. http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/241061-charlie-sheen-gmatt-hardy-sd-going-live-every-week-wwe-announcers

Awesome news. :thumbsup

I'm becoming a Cena fan the past few months. He is the perfect guy to be opposite Punk. The biggest reason? They don't hate each other...they just have hardly any fucking thing in common. Their matches are pretty much of a mutual respect, and they work really well together despite having clashing styles.

I think Punk respects Cena in the sense that he knows how good he is for the company, but I think Punk probably feels offended if Cena is said to be on his level. This could just be my cynical approach to Cena (and he has gotten better, but he was so bad that doesn't say much). Still, I think he needs a whole lot of work on his mic skills. There is just something about the way he talks that doesn't fly with me. Also, and this isn't entirely his fault, they need to get rid of the Super Cena mentality. I don't care that he wins a majority of his matches, but much like Orton, he wins in such unbelievably predictable ways most of the time. I think it would be huge for the business if they had ADR make him tap out at NoC.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm talking Character Cena and Character Punk.

[JRS1386]

I'm talking Character Cena and Character Punk.

Oh ok, continue as you were.

[hbktonyb]

I still don't think Cena has the strap come Mania. That match doesn't need a title.

[Crush086]

I still don't think Cena has the strap come Mania. That match doesn't need a title.
It'd probably draw more if he did though. The anticipation of Rock taking it off him and all that would probably get more buyers. I'm a big Rock fan though, so it might just be me with that viewpoint.

[BotheDMBFan]

I doubt it.

[hbktonyb]

It'd probably draw more if he did though. The anticipation of Rock taking it off him and all that would probably get more buyers. I'm a big Rock fan though, so it might just be me with that viewpoint.

I actually agree that it would draw more. They could build it up as the biggest title match of all time.

I actually wouldn't mind it being for the title, as long as Punk/Miz are in the #1 contender's match.

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk/Austin is still a go at this moment.

[hbktonyb]

Punk/Austin is still a go at this moment.

A show with Punk/Austin and Rock/Cena should get 2 million buys :lol

If Punk/Austin is a go, I say put the strap on Cena and put a combo of Miz/Truth/ADR in the other title match or a #1 contender's match for the next PPV.

[Rodey]

What's up broskis?

[JacobLovesYou]

I'm in class rightnow, but I'll post my WM idea later

[hbktonyb]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
The rumors are true...I am the man.

[Rodey]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
The rumors are true...I am the man.

:lol Epic!

Episode 28 today?!

[hbktonyb]

Gotta be!

[BotheDMBFan]

I wanna wrestle, and come out to Start Wearing Purple.

[kittensXLI]

5 harsh minutes from Mick Foley : http://soundcloud.com/sam-16-3/mick-foley-with-sam-on-after-o

[kittensXLI]

At last night's WWE Smackdown taping, they had to re-shoot the Heath Slater vs Sin Cara match because there were so many botches. I thought most of the botches looked to be the fault of Sin Cara, however it could be because Slater didn't know how to take some of his more high risk moves.

The initial match did have an ending, but then the two came out later in the night and wrestled a second match, that although wasn't much different, was much better and cleaner and should come off on TV as a good bout.
source : http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/241013-live-sd-fan-note-match-had-to-be-re-taped-due-to-botches

Sin Cara really needs some work. Slater might not be the best fit for him, but Slater is actually a decent worker, and he sells well too. I'd chalk it up as a mis-matchup if it wasn't for Cara's reputation since joining the company.

[hbktonyb]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
If you see me right now and it looks like I'm doing a walk of shame...it's because I am

[Crush086]

source : http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/241013-live-sd-fan-note-match-had-to-be-re-taped-due-to-botches

Sin Cara really needs some work. Slater might not be the best fit for him, but Slater is actually a decent worker, and he sells well too. I'd chalk it up as a mis-matchup if it wasn't for Cara's reputation since joining the company.
I think I had considered that I'm not sure I mentioned is how prepared these WWE guys would be for Sin's moves. With as many spins and all that he has in his finisher (or at least his pre WWE finisher) I would've figured some guys wouldn't know where to start the sell on it.

Might be hard to communicate if Cara doesn't even speak English too. All in all though I've been disappointed with his WWE career thus far.

[kittensXLI]

I think I had considered that I'm not sure I mentioned is how prepared these WWE guys would be for Sin's moves. With as many spins and all that he has in his finisher (or at least his pre WWE finisher) I would've figured some guys wouldn't know where to start the sell on it.

Might be hard to communicate if Cara doesn't even speak English too. All in all though I've been disappointed with his WWE career thus far.
I agree with you completely. Obviously the guy is crazy talented. But that shouldn't have meant he gets the automatic green light. Way too many things to factor in, which I'm not quite sure WWE did based on the results so far. Can't speak English? Fine, give him a mask. Probably were giving him a mask anyway. But like you said if he's struggling or unable to communicate with his co-workers... He's already great in-ring? That's nice, but he's having a difficult time meshing with his co-workers... There's a reason wrestlers say it's/there's a WWE-style. Cara is apparently far from adjusting to it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Sin's best work was with Ted.

[JacobLovesYou]

My WM thought: if Daniel Bryant is cashing in MITB at WM, then that's the WHC match (unless he cashes in after a normal WHC match). If Cena has the belt, then that's the WWE championship match. My question is, where does that leave the Royal Rumble winner? If Punk/Austin is a go, then I'm hoping for the Miz to win RR and "sneak" his way into Rock/Cena. If Punk isn't with Austin, I want it to be him. Rock/Cena/Punk would be old school vs new school vs the guy trying to change things. I think there's a lot of possibilities, I'm just interested about the makes. Maybe a SD guy wins it and makes the WHC match a triple threat instead. Orton/Bryant/Rhodes?

[BotheDMBFan]

SD will almost certainly be triple threat. Or Bryan cashes in way earlier/loses the case.

[kittensXLI]

My WM thought: if Daniel Bryant is cashing in MITB at WM, then that's the WHC match (unless he cashes in after a normal WHC match). If Cena has the belt, then that's the WWE championship match. My question is, where does that leave the Royal Rumble winner? If Punk/Austin is a go, then I'm hoping for the Miz to win RR and "sneak" his way into Rock/Cena. If Punk isn't with Austin, I want it to be him. Rock/Cena/Punk would be old school vs new school vs the guy trying to change things. I think there's a lot of possibilities, I'm just interested about the makes. Maybe a SD guy wins it and makes the WHC match a triple threat instead. Orton/Bryant/Rhodes?
I'm pretty sure you brought up and then we talked about Miz winning the Royal Rumble back in May. It's still a fantastic idea. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[JRS1386]

I was thinking yesterday and didn't post it because it would be absurd, but what if Bryan cashing in after the Rock beats Cena and makes SD have two titles.

[BotheDMBFan]

You can't cash in the SD briefcase for the Raw title, and vice versa.

[junior94]

This has been bugging me a little the last couple days and this seems clearly the best place to post this.

I haven't watched MTV's The Real World with any even passing regularity in many many years. But when out shopping recently I saw this wrestling magazine and the guy on the cover looked incredibly familiar, and it only hit me later, I feel like he's someone I remember seeing from an older version of the Real World. if there indeed an old cast member who's now a pro wrestler?

[hbktonyb]

This has been bugging me a little the last couple days and this seems clearly the best place to post this.

I haven't watched MTV's The Real World with any even passing regularity in many many years. But when out shopping recently I saw this wrestling magazine and the guy on the cover looked incredibly familiar, and it only hit me later, I feel like he's someone I remember seeing from an older version of the Real World. if there indeed an old cast member who's now a pro wrestler?

The Miz...Mike Mizanen from The Challenges and Real World New York (?).

He is one of the top starts in WWE. He's AWWWWEEEESOMMMMEEEEEE!

[hbktonyb]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
I'm looking for a girl who's DTE



By the way there is no way Miz works his way into Rock/Cena. That match is meant to be 1:1...

[junior94]

The Miz...Mike Mizanen from The Challenges and Real World New York (?).

He is one of the top starts in WWE. He's AWWWWEEEESOMMMMEEEEEE!

ahh thank you, I'm not crazy then (well, at least for this).

[BotheDMBFan]

This has been bugging me a little the last couple days and this seems clearly the best place to post this.

I haven't watched MTV's The Real World with any even passing regularity in many many years. But when out shopping recently I saw this wrestling magazine and the guy on the cover looked incredibly familiar, and it only hit me later, I feel like he's someone I remember seeing from an older version of the Real World. if there indeed an old cast member who's now a pro wrestler?

Yeah, it's The Miz. Super simple google search could have helped, though.

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
I'm looking for a girl who's DTE



By the way there is no way Miz works his way into Rock/Cena. That match is meant to be 1:1...
They can milk that for SummerSlam 2012, broski.

[Rodey]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
I'm looking for a girl who's DTE



By the way there is no way Miz works his way into Rock/Cena. That match is meant to be 1:1...

What's DTE? Down to elope? :lol

Yeah, it's The Miz. Super simple google search could have helped, though.

Quit being a dick, Bo.

[junior94]

Yeah, it's The Miz. Super simple google search could have helped, though.

But I had no context of a name. although, I don't know maybe "wrestler real world" would've been vague enough of terms to pop something.

[kittensXLI]

Talk about pathetic : http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6891795/the-wrestler-real-life

This guy needs to disappear and get some help before it's too late.

[Crush086]

I forget where I read it (could've been here), but Flair has said he can't distinguish a difference between his wrestling persona and his real life. It's why he has no money and is in so much debt, because he began to let his "Nature Boy" gimmick take over his life, and can't not be the Nature Boy anymore.

Just what I've heard, but considering his spending habits it wouldn't be surprising.

Similar to DMX, who is always getting trouble with the law. He said in a recent interview he can't tell the difference between Earl Simmons and his rap persona, DMX.

[kittensXLI]

Unbelievable : https://twitter.com/#!/MATTHARDYBRAND

[waterboy100]

Talk about pathetic : http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6891795/the-wrestler-real-life

This guy needs to disappear and get some help before it's too late.

geez. this is pretty disturbing. he has some serious problems.

[Speilmen230]

IDK who is worse, the people who follow him on there because they love and care about him THAT much, or Matt himself.

[BotheDMBFan]

Huh? What?

[waterboy100]

In August, Fliehr signed a security financing agreement with Conbraco. As collateral for the $185,000 he owed the company, he put up two championship belts, wrestling gear, a Rolex watch given to him by Shawn Michaels engraved "To Be the Man," framed magazine covers, an autographed poster of Michael Jordan, a poster of Fliehr and Vince McMahon, and any future earnings from the Storick lawsuit (these were never collected by Conbraco since they went to paying Elizabeth's alimony).

this is just sad

[waterboy100]

Unbelievable : https://twitter.com/#!/MATTHARDYBRAND

Please tell me that someone has already called the phone number in his twitter feed.

edit: https://twitter.com/#!/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/106223108364578816

[JacobLovesYou]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
I'm looking for a girl who's DTE



By the way there is no way Miz works his way into Rock/Cena. That match is meant to be 1:1...

You say theres no way it becomes triple threat, but just look at the hostility Cena faces right now. Could they successfully put Cena over without 50,000 people chanting that he sucks? It shows how they shouldn't have announced the match when they did.

[BotheDMBFan]

I called the number, no answer.

[hbktonyb]

You say theres no way it becomes triple threat, but just look at the hostility Cena faces right now. Could they successfully put Cena over without 50,000 people chanting that he sucks? It shows how they shouldn't have announced the match when they did.

It doesn't really matter. It is The Rock. Cena is well beyond looking weak no matter who he faces.

This match absolutely cannot be a triple threat. If Rock goes over, he just drops it to Cena at the next Raw or PPV. No big deal.

[kittensXLI]

It doesn't really matter. It is The Rock. Cena is well beyond looking weak no matter who he faces.

This match absolutely cannot be a triple threat. If Rock goes over, he just drops it to Cena at the next Raw or PPV. No big deal.
Yes it can. The Rock puts over The Miz at WM28. Cena's image isn't "hurt". The Rock puts Cena over at SS. Miz can feud with any number of people for the title after that...Punk, Del Rio, Sheamus, Orton, Christian, Rhodes, Morrison, Truth.

[Speilmen230]

this is just sad

agreed. Where the fuck is all of his money? And secondly, why doesn't he just take a job with the E as a roadie? Help out the younger talent, and help create matches. I'm sure HHH would have no problem hiring him back.

[hbktonyb]

Yes it can. The Rock puts over The Miz at WM28. Cena's image isn't "hurt". The Rock puts Cena over at SS. Miz can feud with any number of people for the title after that...Punk, Del Rio, Sheamus, Orton, Christian, Rhodes, Morrison, Truth.

Yeah but Rock vs. Miz vs. Cena will not sell as much as Rock vs. Cena. Their first match has to be 1:1.

[comerelaxnow]

Yeah but Rock vs. Miz vs. Cena will not sell as much as Rock vs. Cena. Their first match has to be 1:1.

:thumbsup

Rock didn't even need to be involved in the Cena Miz match at 27. They should have put Miz over cleanly at Wresltemania

[hbktonyb]

Agreed. Miz is the present and future, but Rock/Cena is epic.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It's going to be John Cena vs. The Rock. The two biggest draws that Vince has at his disposal. The Miz has no business being involved in that main event. He's right where he belongs right now.. upper mid-card.

[Rodey]

It's going to be John Cena vs. The Rock. The two biggest draws that Vince has at his disposal. The Miz has no business being involved in that main event. He's right where he belongs right now.. upper mid-card.

:eek

I'll be damned K3nTa, I completely agree.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah but Rock vs. Miz vs. Cena will not sell as much as Rock vs. Cena. Their first match has to be 1:1.
It wouldn't be an issue if they would let Cena lose...just one time...cleanly...at a PPV...against a main eventer...who is the champion...but no. SuperCena.

[comerelaxnow]

I never liked Miz in the main event spot but i would have much rather seen Miz over as champ than Cena at WM. Now that being over...Miz is much more at home in the upper mid card.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yes it can. The Rock puts over The Miz at WM28. Cena's image isn't "hurt". The Rock puts Cena over at SS. Miz can feud with any number of people for the title after that...Punk, Del Rio, Sheamus, Orton, Christian, Rhodes, Morrison, Truth.

Miz is so far from the title scene right now, I don't see why you keep thinking of him. A more skilled wrestler should take a "third spot" if they needed one. If Austin can't go for WM, I wouldn't be shocked if Punk took that spot, and won.

[kittensXLI]

Miz is so far from the title scene right now, I don't see why you keep thinking of him. A more skilled wrestler should take a "third spot" if they needed one. If Austin can't go for WM, I wouldn't be shocked if Punk took that spot, and won.
Because dropping Miz "so far from the title scene" was the right thing to do so R-Truth could main event PPVs. Right. Under the impression Punk/Austin, yeah, Miz absolutely should be in the title scene. The Rock sure as hell shouldn't. And we sure as hell know it's not based on skill either, since Cena has been the Hogan of the last half decade. Who wouldn't want to see a guy who has wrestled half a dozen times since SummerSlam 2002...in the main event...getting a title shot...at WrestleMania. Right.

[BotheDMBFan]

Suck Rock is 10x the draw that Miz is. Miz just isn't ME material...yet.

Fuck, honestly, the best thing for Miz is to have him get Taker.

[Rodey]

Miz is clearly a main eventer, but adding him to Rock vs. Cena doesn't make sense at this point.

[K3nTaKa0s]

They should find a way to ship Miz to Smackdown and have him feud with Orton. I doubt Orton / Henry gets it done.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton/Henry makes sense for right now. But Orton does need someone else now, I guess. As much as I love Randy, and as much as he is far and away SD!'s biggest star and best worker...he needs to get "hurt" for a couple months, then come back as full on Psycho Randy.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The problem with Orton is that his heel antics, which the fans are cheering for, aren't going to get any heels over. Unless that's changed within the last couple weeks.

[BotheDMBFan]

Christian was a vanilla, smarmy heel. Henry is playing the big brotha with a bad attitude type gimmick. That should play well against Orton right now, I think.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.youtube.com/longislandicedz

"extra medium" :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Best. Episode. Ever.

[Rodey]

http://www.youtube.com/longislandicedz

"extra medium" :lol

:lol "Keep the change babe"

Great episode. Ziggler appearance was awesome.

[Rodey]

Ryder makes me want to move to Long Island. :lol

[kittensXLI]

:lol Dolph rules. MUCH better episode than last week.

[kittensXLI]

The best is that ASK THE HEEL is the Brazzer's sign.

[jackisback24]

anyone read the Flair article on Simmons' site?

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
Out with @uhohitsthebigo www.yfrog.com/klm8ltpj
40 minutes ago

:lol:lol

[keithcoldroses]

I saw Big O at a bar in LI one night. No joke.

[hbktonyb]

Great news for Punk fans and for the WWE:

With CM Punk emerging as the breakout star of 2011 - there has been a lot of talk about how Punk and« John Cena's big match at the Money in the Bank pay-per-view would deliver with customers. Aside from being one of the top merchandise sellers for WWE in recent months - Punk can add "ability to sell PPVs'" to his resume.

According to the latest numbers released to WWE stockholders, July's Money in the Bank pay-per-view did over 265,000 worldwide buys - up a staggering 100,000 buys (60%) from 2010's MITB event.

Money in the Bank is now the 3rd top grossing PPV of the year, behind WrestleMania 27 and the Royal Rumble.

[Speilmen230]

That is AWESOME news! For a Summer ppv, those numbers are awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

AND England gave it away for free.

[justinandimcool]

Great news about MITB. Buys would skyrocket even more if Punk was in a main event for every PPV the rest of the year. Half serious.

Instead he is in a program with Nash. Probably competing against him at the next PPV, in a non-championship match, at an event called Night of Champions.

Not even trying to be a Punk mark right now-- how in the world is this good for business?

I have my qualms with ADR being champion as I believe this is the most uninteresting possible time for him to have a reign. They COULD fix that and heighten the excitement of his reign by having him feud with the hottest guy in the company. Instead, have him go against Cena. Fine, put ADR over against the top dog- legitimizes his belt a little, albeit in a match likely to be built up by two guys with repetitive and dry promos. Lord knows this will probably bleed into the next couple of PPV's as well. I fully expect the next 8 weeks to be "You're a fraud Alberto, the real champ is here!" vs "chu are wrong this is destiny!"

As much as Punk vs the corporation sounds cool for the next however many months, I don't see how hard it is to have Punk in the title scene headlining NOC, HITC, Vengeance, Survivor Series...it'd do wonders for ADR's character, for the WWE belt, for Punk as a carrier of the company. Hilarious they don't mind beating Orton/Christian over our heads but they can't book something 10x more awesome.


lol 4am wrestling posts

[BotheDMBFan]

It's good because it's setting up Punk v H, which both guys want to do.

[BotheDMBFan]

And make no mistake, they're going to treat that as the company's biggest feud.

[justinandimcool]

Suck Rock is 10x the draw that Miz is. Miz just isn't ME material...yet.

Fuck, honestly, the best thing for Miz is to have him get Taker.

Only way I could take that seriously is a slight gimmick change for Miz. Needs less douchieness, less smiling, a more rugged demeanor. And LOTS of good writing to build it up and not make people believe it'll be a meaningless squash win for Taker. Overall I think it may work, but unless Miz has some sort of dominant mean streak, he's not high on my list.

ADR/Taker would be a great match, especially if they build him up a lot higher by that time...

Punk/Taker works. It would be awesome if Punk could work a shoot claiming that Taker is nothing to this company anymore without the streak and wants to take it away, how he's a cartoon character from the early 90's and no one fears him, how youngins in the business have more title reigns than him :lol Heel Punk would have to return but it'd be an awesome change if a Taker feud became more personal. We haven't seen that since his Big Evil days.

Other than those three I think Taker's run out of opponents. Orton/Taker would be a good match but I can't imagine the feud being nearly as interesting than the last one they had.

They just need to not rush a feud again last last year :ugh It's been the best match on the card the past three years, build it right.

[justinandimcool]

It's good because it's setting up Punk v H, which both guys want to do.

Awesome as that is, it just feels so...forced and out of order. Let Punk and ADR feud, have Haitch screw him out of a bunch of matches...builds ADR's heat as champ, makes Haitch/Punk more intense.

Then again, WWE creative has been alright the past few months, I'm just talking out of my ass.

[BotheDMBFan]

Problem is that Punk just beat ADR clean and without THAT much difficulty a few weeks ago.

[gocubsgo3822]

Ric flair is a turrible turrible person

[BotheDMBFan]

It's just unfortunate.

[K3nTaKa0s]

A representative of Ric Flair told TMZ that the TNA legend is considering taking legal action against Grantland.com due to the website's claim that he has suffers from Alcoholic Cardiomyopathy.

"While the information gleaned from courthouse records may be credible, Mr. Fliehr is currently evaluating his legal options with respect to falsehoods in the story, specifically the untrue statement that he suffers from alcoholic cardiomyopathy," the rep stated.

"Our client understands that these allegations are part of the territory when you are not only famous, but a living legend."


Credit: PW.net

[K3nTaKa0s]

Don't normally agree with Mark Madden, but he makes some valid points.


A Big House on the Big Side of Town
by Mark Madden

I read the Grantland.com article on Ric Flair.

I don’t understand what all the outrage is about.

OK, so Flair outspends his income. How many Americans don’t? But he’s hardly “The Wrestler.” He’s not living in a trailer. He pays $3,683 per month rent. He’s not working independent shows for $50. He’s making over $250,000 per year working for Impact, and other significant income from endorsements. He’s been part of some questionable episodes. He’s also been swindled and stalked.

I don’t see how the Grantland.com article makes Flair a bad guy, or anything less than the greatest wrestler ever.

I bet his shoes still cost more than your house.

Wrestling is fraught with a host of malfeasance: Sexual harassment. PEDs. Recreational drugs. Frat-boy misbehavior that would shame “Animal House.” Cutthroat manipulation. Old-time stars that really are penniless. And a bunch of guys that dropped dead. It's always been the island of misfit toys.

Ric Flair is 62. He’s alive and, all things considered, in good health. He’s not in jail, or drug-addled. He still cuts promos with the best of them. He’s still an above-average in-ring performer. He still knows how to be RIC FLAIR.

So he’s had bad luck with women and money. That doesn’t exactly make him unique. Ric's got plenty of company there.

Ric’s had a great life. It’s still pretty good. He still gets to be RIC FLAIR.

Sometimes, perhaps, that’s part of the problem. But the pros far outweigh the cons.

Ric doesn’t need to be excoriated by wrestling fans. He needs wrestling fans to close ranks and support him. If that sounds like cheerleading, well – excuse me for being a fan, and a friend, of the greatest wrestler that’s ever lived.

Ric gave you countless hours of entertainment. Do you really care if he owes somebody money? You shouldn’t. Does getting drunk on an airplane dilute his legend one iota? It shouldn’t. Heck, he was just being RIC FLAIR.

I spoke with Ric Thursday night. The Grantland.com article never came up. Ric was excited about some things that he’ll for doing for Impact. The great ones look ahead in hope. Other people can look back in anger for them.

I can’t discount the general accuracy of the Grantland.com article. But it has an anti-Flair feel to it. His jump to WWF with the NWA belt – a belt he owned pending return of a deposit – was presented as a criminal act. It wasn’t Flair’s fault when he got stalked, or swindled.

I’m amazed at the IWC’s self-righteousness over the Grantland.com article. You’ll defend Matt and Jeff Hardy, a couple of big-time sleaze merchants who embarrass themselves and their profession. But if Ric Flair is past due on a few bills, you morph into the Moral Majority.

Doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, he’s still RIC FLAIR. If you don’t understand the magnitude of that, you’re not qualified to judge, anyway.

[jaking1185]

Don't normally agree with Mark Madden, but he makes some valid points.

I agree with his take. Flair isn't the only person in history to have issues like this. He's no saint, but do we expect our wrestling heroes to be one?

He lived like he wrestled. I'd take him over Hogan's BS anyday.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Word around WWE is that Hunico will now exclusively play the character of Sin Cara. WWE wants to keep the character around for the kids and merchandise sales.

Mistico was sent home from the Smackdown tapings and it's being rumored that he's done with the company.

Credit: PWInsider

[BotheDMBFan]

That's fucking shocking, and stupid.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Why's that?

[JacobLovesYou]

Wow. I'd have thought they could've worked with him more. The guy oozes talent, surely SOMETHING could've been done with him.

[waterboy100]

Apparently flair is going to\wants to sue over the grantland article
-----
TMZ is reporting that Ric Flair is threatens to lawsuit from an article affiliated by ESPN. The article stated that Ric suffers from a serious medical condition caused by years of drinking. Flair is furious as he claims it is not true, so he is threatening to sue.
----
http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/tna-news/ric-flair-threatening-lawsuit-.php

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe he is doing it to pay back his debts?

Also, if he wins, Grantland is dead.

[Speilmen230]

Why not have Hunico wrestle Mistico?

They both speak Spanish, and both know the lucha style very well. I really don't understand why they didn't debut Hunico as a heel masked guy.

Heel masked guy with Manager vs the silent comic book hero.

Have an amazing 3 or 4 month run with outstanding matches.

[BotheDMBFan]

Possibly because Mistico didn't work out, and they see money in the Sin Cara gimmick.

[Speilmen230]

well what i am saying is put Mistico in the Cara gimmick, and have him wrestle Hunico in a big Lucha feud.

[BotheDMBFan]

I get that, but Mistico as Cara wasn't working out, Hunico is a more polished worker.

[kittensXLI]

But Flair himself said he had alcoholic cardiomyopathy... : http://books.google.com/books?id=wMItEY4Z_SYC&lpg=PT439&vq=cardiomyopathy&pg=PT439#v=onepage&q&f=false

[jackisback24]

where does the name Grantland come from?

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
If u are near me at gym & lift up your shirt to flex your "abs" in the mirror...u have 5 seconds to walk away from me before I Zack Attack u
4 minutes ago

:lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE's 2011 Money in the Bank PPV, which featured John Cena vs CM Punk during their hot angle this summer, reportedly took in 185,000 PPV buys, according to PWInsider.com. Although initial reports had the PPV taking in 265,000 buys, it appears as if that number is incorrect, and the actual buyrate is closer to the 185,000 range.

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

[K3nTaKa0s]

Huge main event on Impact on Thursday. TNA World Heavyweight Champion Kurt Angle takes on "The Icon" Sting with Hulk Hogan as guest referee.

Promo between Hogan/Flair/Sting was hilarious on Thursday night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__TcvETuQE

[hbktonyb]

That was hilarious :lol

[Speilmen230]

Flowers and Roses!!! :lol i will give Sting his due. He is really nailing his crazy over the top Joker-esque gimmick.

[K3nTaKa0s]

But Flair himself said he had alcoholic cardiomyopathy... : http://books.google.com/books?id=wMItEY4Z_SYC&lpg=PT439&vq=cardiomyopathy&pg=PT439#v=onepage&q&f=false

Just because he had it then, doesn't mean he still has it now.

[Speilmen230]

Just because he had it then, doesn't mean he still has it now.

can it go away? serious question. Idk health stuff so i am legitimately asking.

[K3nTaKa0s]

can it go away? serious question. Idk health stuff so i am legitimately asking.

If it's not bad enough, it can. I looked it up earlier.

[Speilmen230]

If it's not bad enough, it can. I looked it up earlier.

Interesting, i don't know how flair takes care of himself outside the ring, but supposedly he was told to stop drinking and it would help tremendously. Who knows if he is able to when he can't separate the nature boy Ric Flair and the actual person, Richard Fliehr.

[JacobLovesYou]

If its known he had it at one point then there's no way he has a case, even if he doesn't have it anymore.

[JacobLovesYou]

I'll watch that TNA main event.

[bartender_man]

For anyone interested, link below pretty much has every single WCW Monday Nitro and Thunder episode ever. Pretty awesome, full shows:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WCWThunderOnYT

[K3nTaKa0s]

For anyone interested, link below pretty much has every single WCW Monday Nitro and Thunder episode ever. Pretty awesome, full shows:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WCWThunderOnYT

Just '98-'01. But thanks for posting.

[JacobLovesYou]

Great post, you'd never guess how many those I missed back in the day. I was WWE through and through as a 11-14 ye older so I'll definitely check those out.

[jackisback24]

Just got Money in the Bank in the mail for $13. Love Amazon. Always deals. Stan Hansen book coming this week. Yippee!!!

[kittensXLI]

Owen Hart was the biggest ribber of all time. Davey Boy was so scared of Owen he would register under a different name in his hotel room-and they were brothers in law and travel companions. Davey was just as bad.

Owen lived to both rib and save money. Owen would travel with fans, stay with fans and eat with fans to save money-I never thought Owen was cheap, he wasn’t-but it was a game to see how little money he could spend on the road.

Davey’s favorite line, “I wasn’t even there, it was Owen” was pretty much his standard answer to anything.

I traveled the circuit with Owen and Davey in six man tags with the Godwins and Bart Gunn. Owen would call out spots to fans while Davey Boy was calling the same spot in the ring. Owen would talk to fans the entire match critiquing Davey Boy’s moves. There was not one sane moment with those two. Davey would just laugh; he thought Owen was hilarious even when Owen was ribbing him.

Both could go though. Davey and Brett had one of best matches I have ever seen in Berlin and Owen was one of the best-they just loved to rib. They both were born for this business.
Owen loved to get the muscle guys to press him, he would then hang on to them where they could never get him up-Davey would then come in and press Owen over his head several times and Owen would yell how strong Davey was.

The Godwin’s pigs somehow ended up in Vince’s office one day and as always, Davey explained, “I wasn’t even there.” Davey’s bulldog was given a laxative one day at TV, needless to say the suspect list involved only one person.

Clarence Mason, remember the attorney, was tortured by these guys in one loop we were on so much so he got to where he wouldn’t come into the ring. One day as he was holding the tag titles up on the apron, with his back to ring-Las Vegas was the city- I hit the ropes by him and knocked the belts into the stands along with Clarence. Needless to say the match, Owen and Davey felt the need to outdo me after that, turned into a ribfest as most of them did.

To give Owen credit he deserves, he always carried bags and never checked anything so he could get off plane quicker to see his family when he got off of road. He and Davey were awesome guys both.

The best story I have heard on Owen was when Chief Jay Strongbow was the agent and as WWE often does-they wanted everything real, as it would be in a shoot. So, Chief asked Owen if he would do that in a fight and Owen’s response, “No, I would hop on one leg whooping like an Indian!” It took Chief sometime to get over his anger, hilarious.

I was wrestling a few matches after Owen died in KC, I can’t remember if I was next or a couple after, a terrible tragedy. WWE was Owen’s playground-a guy who loved the business and loved to rib non stop and somehow no one ever got mad at him they just loved him more and more-as did I.
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[Speilmen230]

A few of Bret Harts favorite current WWE Stars:

The Bellas
Bryan Danielson
John Cena
Randy Orton


link to the article: http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/241222-bret-hart-lists-his-favorite-current-wwe-superstars

[kittensXLI]

ZackRyder Zack Ryder
In Tulsa, Oklahoma...same building where I Tiger Bombed @Christian4Peeps WWWYKI
20 minutes ago

:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWGty7sy8l8

Picture perfect.

[AndySlash]

that one legged outfit was horrendous

[JRS1386]

Anyone know if Raw is streamed online?

[Speilmen230]

Watching the WCW Nitro doc. Really piss poor documentary so far. Really bouncing around with no real timeline. Focused heavily on the NWO then DDP turning down the NWO now they cut straight to Goldberg vs Hogan at the Georgia Dome.

Another side note, their production vales fell a little flat compared to WWF. Their announcers sucked, Tony i'm looking at you, and they sucked when it came to miking up the crowd and the entrance music. Everything is just really terribly mixed.


Edit: i also never understood the whole NWO, NWO Wolfpac, WCW alignments. They are talking about them like they are separate organizations.

[Speilmen230]

Haitch needs to go back to the Handlebars connected to the chinstrap. Ditch the goatee with the chinstrap.

[Speilmen230]

Ending the BRANDS!!!!



Edit: i think...!

[kittensXLI]

Super-show? So not an end to the brand extension?

[Speilmen230]

he said it was the foreseeable future, so i would assume that it means that it is over. i guess, supershow kinda mucked up that announcement.

[kittensXLI]

BY GAWD!!! THAT'S NOT KEVIN NASH'S MUSIC!!!! THAT'S CM PUNK!!!

Business is about to pick up!!!

[kittensXLI]

What a completely illogical end to Raw.

[Speilmen230]

Nash has music. :lol

[kittensXLI]

:lol @ NWO theme

[K3nTaKa0s]

Oh boy....

[Speilmen230]

He looks ten years younger with the black hair and goat.

[JRS1386]

So they gave him music this week, interesting. I hope this settles itself quickly and not at a PPV