Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[DmBand801]

What happened with HHH and HBK?

HBK cost them the tag titles. Then he went to Teddy Long begging a spot in the Smackdown elimination chamber. When that was shot down, he was confronted by Triple H who basically told him to stop obsessing and get his act together. HBK got pissed, super-kicked Long and walked away.

[BotheDMBFan]

Angle will be back in WWE before the end of the year. Write it down.

I think he's still got a year left on his TNA deal. When it's over, I think he'll jump ship. Why, I have no idea. But I think he will.

[Crush086]

I just read that the Rock could be the GM of Raw for the whole summer!

And now it looks like Bret vs. Vince will happen b/c he got cleared.
Rock all summer would sink the TNA ship.lol
I don't know, Bret doesn't really look all that fast right now. Hopefully he'll get into some shape before March. I am thrilled that DX is all but over though. It's been a long time coming!
This is actually one of the reasons I think the match is being way overhyped. Don't get me wrong, it was great seeing Bret 15 years ago and him back was a nice nostalgic moment, but you gotta think.

A well maintained Vince McMahon (at least I'm assuming, he's been pretty big for a while), against Bret Hart, whom is a stroke survivor, hasn't wrestled in over a decade, and wasn't in the best shape on Monday. I see the match as a bunch of punches, kicks, and a sporadic wrestling move in between. Then a Sharpshooter to bring "closure".
No way. Angle was THE WWE superstar during the Invasion angle.

And he's a lot better all around too. On the mic, in the ring, etc.
Angle's mic work isn't too great in TNA. At least I think it's not as good. He was great in WWF though. I think if Orton went back to his cocky persona he'd be a better guy on the mic. Not the exact cocky attitude previously, but one where he gets to show more personality.
I think he's still got a year left on his TNA deal. When it's over, I think he'll jump ship. Why, I have no idea. But I think he will.
It wouldn't be far fetched I don't think. Once the Monday Night Wars are restarted, I think WWE will definitely raise it's standards. And if The Rock did do the whole summer GM with some of that Attitude Era, Angle would be awesome. He can still put on great match.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton with the voices in his head stuff? That was QUALITY week in and week out.

[justinandimcool]

Angle could easily carry the WWE back into awesomeness. I wonder if they'd do anything about the YOU SUCK chants :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Angle could easily carry the WWE back into awesomeness. I wonder if they'd do anything about the YOU SUCK chants :lol

Not a chance, it was part of the gimmick even when he was a face. An Angle v Orton program would be FANTASTIC. Them both fighting as tweeners would be even better.

[Speilmen230]

Rock all summer would sink the TNA ship.lol

This is actually one of the reasons I think the match is being way overhyped. Don't get me wrong, it was great seeing Bret 15 years ago and him back was a nice nostalgic moment, but you gotta think.

A well maintained Vince McMahon (at least I'm assuming, he's been pretty big for a while), against Bret Hart, whom is a stroke survivor, hasn't wrestled in over a decade, and wasn't in the best shape on Monday. I see the match as a bunch of punches, kicks, and a sporadic wrestling move in between. Then a Sharpshooter to bring "closure".

Angle's mic work isn't too great in TNA. At least I think it's not as good. He was great in WWF though. I think if Orton went back to his cocky persona he'd be a better guy on the mic. Not the exact cocky attitude previously, but one where he gets to show more personality.

It wouldn't be far fetched I don't think. Once the Monday Night Wars are restarted, I think WWE will definitely raise it's standards. And if The Rock did do the whole summer GM with some of that Attitude Era, Angle would be awesome. He can still put on great match.

I agree 110% whole heartedly. The only thing i have to add is that Vince would have to make Raw go to TV-14 because PG Rock just would not work, i'm sorry but we have seen what PG did to DX. PG Rock would honestly be just embarrassing.

[Crush086]

I agree 110% whole heartedly. The only thing i have to add is that Vince would have to make Raw go to TV-14 because PG Rock just would not work, i'm sorry but we have seen what PG did to DX. PG Rock would honestly be just embarrassing.
That'd pretty much eliminate all of The Rock's catchphrases if it stayed PG. I think they'll turn back to the more mature setting once TNA goes to Monday, since TNA usually employs a lot of the stronger language and the women are more revealing (see The Beautiful People).

I don't think they'll go as far as they used to with the women (because of the huge child population nowadays), but I'd hope they let the Rock have a bit of leniency with his language.

[Speilmen230]

That'd pretty much eliminate all of The Rock's catchphrases if it stayed PG. I think they'll turn back to the more mature setting once TNA goes to Monday, since TNA usually employs a lot of the stronger language and the women are more revealing (see The Beautiful People).

I don't think they'll go as far as they used to with the women (because of the huge child population nowadays), but I'd hope they let the Rock have a bit of leniency with his language.

yeah, i mean i am perfectly content with it not being as sexual as it used to be back in the attitude era, but i mean toning down the violence and the language is not helping anything, wrestler's hardly ever get color, and also the promo's really suck hard.

[hbktonyb]

I would love the rock back in a TV-14 setting. I don't think they will go back though, they want kids to watch and buy merchandise.

[JacobLovesYou]

wrestling should be TV-14 at its tamest. its a sport where people fight each other. even if the story's are fake and the outcomes are fake, its still naturally violent. the stupid dialog that comes from PG wrestling turns the matches into snooze fests.

[Speilmen230]

i mean i hate to quit using this an an example but it really does need to get back to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDa4A7v3-z0

[JacobLovesYou]

I would love the rock back in a TV-14 setting. I don't think they will go back though, they want kids to watch and buy merchandise.

they've done a great job bringing in the kids (not that i care, but it was obviously their goal).

having said that though, i would think they would sell more merchandise if their ratings were as good as the attitude era.

we aren't going to get another huge personality, mega merchandising star unless they are a lot less restricted.

[Crush086]

As long as John Cena is there to tell kids to say their prayers and eat their vitamins, I'm sure kids will still be in love with it.

[JacobLovesYou]

i don't care one bit about sex or sexual references. i just want to hear a wrestler tell another he's a dumbass and flick him off :lol

[Speilmen230]

i don't care one bit about sex or sexual references. i just want to hear a wrestler tell another he's a dumbass and flick him off :lol

THIS!!! ALL OF THIS!!!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I want to hear wrestler's insulting eachother in really funny inventive ways using low profanity cuss words like Ass, Bitch, & Hell.

[Crush086]

i don't care one bit about sex or sexual references. i just want to hear a wrestler tell another he's a dumbass and flick him off :lol
Reminds me of when Austin put Bret Hart in a Sharpshooter, and right before he turned him over he flicked him off.

Then he refused to let the hold go and flipped off the refs too.lol

[Speilmen230]

wow totally forgot about the classic, ROODY POO CANDY ASS!!!!

such great stuff from back then...

[ant_marching41]

i don't care one bit about sex or sexual references. i just want to hear a wrestler tell another he's a dumbass and flick him off :lol
I'd fire every diva on the roster and see to it that there are no more divas if the swearing, name calling, and middle fingers return..

And blood.

[Speilmen230]

I'd fire every diva on the roster and see to it that there are no more divas if the swearing, name calling, and middle fingers return..

And blood.

honestly IMO i would bring back he cruiser weights. good stuff there.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bring back the Hardcore title minus the retarded 24/7 rule.

[Speilmen230]

Bring back the Hardcore title minus the retarded 24/7 rule.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Crush086]

I'd be fine with swearing and blood.

[ant_marching41]

honestly IMO i would bring back he cruiser weights. good stuff there.
This is what I would do to bring WWE back. Drop the divas, bring back the blood/swearing, and leave the titles like so.

One World Heavyweight Title
One Tag Team Titles (no unified bull shit)
Intercontinental Title
Light Heavyweight Title
Hardcore Title

Get rid of the Raw/Smackdown rosters and combine the two.

[JacobLovesYou]

yeah i would get rid of the separate rosters. you can still spread out the talent and give guys a lot more time off utilizing both shows. some weeks people would have to do both shows an some weeks only one of the shows, but thats just the way it is if you want it to be quality.

and yes, they need to drop the two world title thing BAAAAD. when vince bought up the competition he had the perfect oppurtunity to just say "this literally now is the biggest title in the sport because it contains all of the history and accolades of all 3 other brands combined."

[Crush086]

I wonder if they're getting close to reunifying the rosters, since they're sending all the ECW wrestlers to either Raw or Smackdown.

It's a small step at least.

On another note, how does The Miz have both the US Title and the Tag titles? I can't stand the guy.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The Miz is awesome.

[ant_marching41]

Cause he's

AWWEESSOOOOOME!!!

[JacobLovesYou]

at least the miz has a personality to where we care about him, even if for the most part its annoyance. it seems like they're trying to make him into something. i dont think i can ever like a wrestler named "the miz" though. and i lol'd at "ShowMiz".. lame, but i definitely laughed.

HHH was just on bernie mac reruns on FX

[Speilmen230]

This is what I would do to bring WWE back. Drop the divas, bring back the blood/swearing, and leave the titles like so.

One World Heavyweight Title
One Tag Team Titles (no unified bull shit)
Intercontinental Title
Light Heavyweight Title
Hardcore Title

Get rid of the Raw/Smackdown rosters and combine the two.

I would do it this way:

WWE Heavyweight Championship: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/05/20090816070047!WWF_attitude_Championship.jpg
WWE Tag Titles: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ww/wwe-tag-team-championship-belt.jpg
Intercontinental Championship:
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/WWE-Intercontinental-Championship-belt-wwe-3993337-970-644.jpg
Cruiserweight Championship: http://markplanet.cl/imagenes/wweproductos/titulos/WWE%20Plastic%20Cruiserweight%20Championship%20Tit le%20Belt.jpg
ECW Hardcore Championship: http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx34/ToeKneeManGo/Smark%20Out%20Moment/ecw_championship_belt.jpg

Combine Raw and Smackdown and leave NXT to be the minor leagues.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA PPV on Sunday.

[Crush086]

The Miz is awesome.

Cause he's

AWWEESSOOOOOME!!!
I saw these coming. :lol

I think it was his time on the Real World that makes me hate him.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I never saw him on the Real World or MTV, thankfully. The Miz has good mic skills and he's solid in the ring. I'd like to see The Miz / Orton at some point.

I really don't see the WWE getting away from the PG rating. With Linda running for political office, they don't want to do anything that will be used against her campaign (violence on women, blood, etc).

[Crush086]

Linda should encorporate some of the WWE's antics into her run.

I'd be more in tune with politics if she was telling people to shove things up their candyasses.

[kittensXLI]

Bringing back blood is pointless if they're going to over-use and mis-use it the entire time.

[k270]

Bringing back blood is pointless if they're going to over-use and mis-use it the entire time.

How can they over-use their own blood?

[kittensXLI]

How can they over-use their own blood?
Going back and looking at the amount of blading before they got rid of it, it was so out of control. If people want to talk about some more realistic promos, situations, matches, etc, then blood should be incorporated at a moderate and successful rate as well.

[ant_marching41]

Bringing back blood is pointless if they're going to over-use and mis-use it the entire time.
They bled a lot back then, but it was never too over done I felt.

Edit: and by back then, I mean like latter 90s. They may have over done it by the time they got rid of it.

[Speilmen230]

Going back and looking at the amount of blading before they got rid of it, it was so out of control. If people want to talk about some more realistic promos, situations, matches, etc, then blood should be incorporated at a moderate and successful rate as well.

i think we all want it like this as well. we don't want it to where there is blood in every match but back in the day if someone got hit in the head with a chair and they wanted to make it a big deal the wrestler bled. I have never been the biggest fan of blood because i think it's silly for someone to cut themselves for the purpose of entertainment but in the same vein i know that blood can add a lot to a feud and make it more interesting and push it over the edge for the fans.

[kittensXLI]

Maybe it's just me, but from what I've noticed from older instances, it's as if someone had zero blood or was covered in blood. What happened to getting cut on the forehead and it bleeding a little bit? Maybe it's because the audience can notice blading more now than then, and also workers aren't blading themselves properly and cutting too much/deep/whatever. I really don't know. Someone that bleeds in a "normal" situation - let's say a chair shot or belt shot - doesn't need their face drenched, their hair soaked, and their chest covered in it. It's almost as if the "real" blood situations, like botching a move or taking a stiff shot, causing someone's mouth to bleed or whatever is somewhat enjoyable because it's a "real" amount.

CM Punk's mouth was busted at the Royal Rumble. It was noticeable and effective, despite not being a staged act.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The World Title has been defended 7 times at WrestleMania since it was introduced in 2002. Only HHH at WrestleMania XIX (vs Booker T) was able to successfully defend the title.

[Speilmen230]

The World Title has been defended 7 times at WrestleMania since it was introduced in 2002. Only HHH at WrestleMania XIX (vs Booker T) was able to successfully defend the title.

Very interesting fact there. Perhaps Taker drops the Title at EC.

[kittensXLI]

Very interesting fact there. Perhaps Taker drops the Title at EC.
I agree. I forget who mentioned it in this thread, but it's likely to happen because Undertaker/HBK doesn't need a title on the line to be an amazing match; might as well put the strap on someone else and get another "higher caliber/potential quality" match out of the situation.

[hbktonyb]

Plus Taker is hurt and will be taking a break after Mania. He streak is obviously not going to end so they have to get the strap off him now.

[Speilmen230]

Plus Taker is hurt and will be taking a break after Mania. He streak is obviously not going to end so they have to get the strap off him now.

source??

[hbktonyb]

pwinsider.com said that taker has numerous injuries and will be working a very light schedule and take a break after Mania.

[kittensXLI]

I heard the 'taker news as well, just don't have links on hand at the moment. It's legit, though.

[Speilmen230]

pwinsider.com said that taker has numerous injuries and will be working a very light schedule and take a break after Mania.

i see. i am actually surprised he doesn't have more injuries. the guy has gone hard for 20 years...

[Speilmen230]

Headed off to bed because i don't feel well, but gonna leave you guys with this question:

Which feud was better?

Triple H/Rock
Stone Cold/Rock

[JacobLovesYou]

stone cold/rock

[K3nTaKa0s]

The WWE Title has been defended 25 times at WrestleMania with the Champion retaining on 10 occasions.

[kittensXLI]

I enjoyed Rock/HHH more, by a longshot.

[mja271]

It was always special when Stone Cold and Rock got together, but the Rock/HHH feud was just too good to deny. There was so much build up and great matches to come from that.

[kittensXLI]

Didn't The Rock log the 5th or 6th longest time in a single Royal Rumble?

Benoit, Mysterio, and HHH were over an hour, correct? HBK and Kane I also think had more. ...and that's it.

[ant_marching41]

Rock/Austin for sure. They were the two biggest superstars at the time, and whether it was on the mic or in the ring, they always gave it their all.

[k270]

Didn't The Rock log the 5th or 6th longest time in a single Royal Rumble?

Benoit, Mysterio, and HHH were over an hour, correct? HBK and Kane I also think had more. ...and that's it.

Has anyone entered at #1 and won the Rumble?

[devilandthelord]

Has anyone entered at #1 and won the Rumble?

Wikipedia is your friend.

History of the Royal Rumble:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble

Shawn Michaels 1995 and Chris Benoit 2004.

[ant_marching41]

Wikipedia is your friend.

History of the Royal Rumble:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble

Shawn Michaels 1995 and Chris Benoit 2004.
Yes, its planned before hand, but thats still very impressive.

[hbktonyb]

Survivor Series PPV is done...

[Crush086]

Headed off to bed because i don't feel well, but gonna leave you guys with this question:

Which feud was better?

Triple H/Rock
Stone Cold/Rock
Austin/Rock. Austin's unexpected antics (and some of Rock's too) were classic. Rock throwing Austin and his title off the bridge is one of the most memorable moments I can think of.
Survivor Series PPV is done...
Done as in they're getting rid of it?

[BotheDMBFan]

Are they doing Hell in a Cell PPV again?

[hbktonyb]

Yes, it did well with buys, but SS was down like 20%. Vince said that format is done.

[hbktonyb]

They sent out a survey asking fans what gimmick they want to see at a ppv. It was a choice between War Games, tournament, money in the bank, etc...

[BotheDMBFan]

I am going to put up here what I think are the 5 worst matches ever. Obviously matches with jobbers won't count. This is for all out failures.

#5: (Who would have ever thought Rock would be in one of the worst matches ever? Even if it IS hilarious?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaP0grZsxd4

[BotheDMBFan]

#4: Bits and pieces of this one, sadly. Good for our eyes though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyO4KzQfjc

[BotheDMBFan]

#3: The day most of us went "You know what? FUCK WCW. POS company." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427thjGNlPw

[Speilmen230]

I have gotta say that Rock/Austin is what took the WWF back to the top. their feuds just built and built until the fans couldn't stand it any longer then when they finally faced one another the match just shot the feud through the roof.

[BotheDMBFan]

It is SO hard to pick between my #1 and #2.

[BotheDMBFan]

I have gotta say that Rock/Austin is what took the WWF back to the top. their feuds just built and built until the fans couldn't stand it any longer then when they finally faced one another the match just shot the feud through the roof.

Mick FOley put WWE back on top.

[BotheDMBFan]

Because I like to be fairly obscure, I'll put probably the consensus #1 pick at #2.

#2: The day everyone before #3 went "Fuck WCW." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfFg8RpY8Sw

[Speilmen230]

#4: Bits and pieces of this one, sadly. Good for our eyes though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyO4KzQfjc

wow... i mean really... Now i know why Elija Burke was released... that was absolutely god awful.

[BotheDMBFan]

#1: Though mostly forgotten now, I have never seen anyone care less about two name competitors EVER. Seriously, they needed Austin to make it half watchable, and even THAT failed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4&feature=related

[BotheDMBFan]

God damn, even Lawler and Ross didn't give a shit.

[Speilmen230]

#1: Though mostly forgotten now, I have never seen anyone care less about two name competitors EVER. Seriously, they needed Austin to make it half watchable, and even THAT failed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4&feature=related

so bad... i remember watching this being so excited and then it ending up being a bunch of lock ups... very boring...

[BotheDMBFan]

so bad... i remember watching this being so excited and then it ending up being a bunch of lock ups... very boring...

Lesnar's last match, and I think it was Goldberg's too.

I'd also like to take a moment to say that Bill Goldberg is the most overrated, overpraised, shitty wrestler of all time. Cena is bad, but at least he's moderately entertaining. Goldberg got boring after he won the title. That winning streak was hilarious, it would keep multiplying by 8 every time.

[K3nTaKa0s]

- During today's WWE Conference call, Vince McMahon announced that after 23 years, that the company would be dropping the Survivor Series name. The Survivor Series is the second longest running WWE PPV title in the company's history. Here is Vince McMahon's quote from the call…

"We think that Survivor Series is obsolete, as far as that title is concerned. It was something that worked many, many years ago, in terms of a creative standpoint, various teams competing. That really is not advantageous as the consumer now looks as what actually they are buying. And it's such a broad ... Survivor Series yes, many years ago, was one of the original four pay-per-views, but it's outlasted its usage and it is one of the things in terms of rebranding, this year and going forward, that will be rebranded. No longer will we have that title, Survivor Series."

Source: http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/129644/WWE-Is-Dropping-The-Survivor-Series.htm

[BotheDMBFan]

Good. Make it dedicated to Hell in the Cell instead. Or Elimination Chamber matches. Or Kennels From Hell. Or just beat the shit out of Cena the entire time.

[Crush086]

I am going to put up here what I think are the 5 worst matches ever. Obviously matches with jobbers won't count. This is for all out failures.

#5: (Who would have ever thought Rock would be in one of the worst matches ever? Even if it IS hilarious?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaP0grZsxd4
I remember that one. I was like, wtf? did the match even start? lol
#4: Bits and pieces of this one, sadly. Good for our eyes though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnyO4KzQfjc
He's a lot better now in TNA as "The Pope".
#3: The day most of us went "You know what? FUCK WCW. POS company." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427thjGNlPw
Definitely. That was one of the absolute worst things I've ever seen by any wrestling organization.
Because I like to be fairly obscure, I'll put probably the consensus #1 pick at #2.

#2: The day everyone before #3 went "Fuck WCW." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfFg8RpY8Sw
I knew after seeing the Arquette video that this was the Fingerpoke of Doom. I think this should be #1, but is a suitable #2.
#1: Though mostly forgotten now, I have never seen anyone care less about two name competitors EVER. Seriously, they needed Austin to make it half watchable, and even THAT failed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4&feature=related
I think had Lesnar's exit not been so public it may have been better. It was a very bad match though.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMLc4fQAw8&feature=related

Honorable mention.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'll do my top 5 soon.

[kittensXLI]

...because there needs to be a monthly PPV dedicated to ladder matches one month, HIAC the next, Elimination Chambers the following, etc. This is so stupid. At least Survivor Series could be based around elimination/SURVIVING matches, with, you know, wrestling. Gimmick matches are useless when overdone.

</wwefail>

[BotheDMBFan]

Unless it's Hell in a Cell. Then it's just awesome.

[dmbwadeo]

#1: Though mostly forgotten now, I have never seen anyone care less about two name competitors EVER. Seriously, they needed Austin to make it half watchable, and even THAT failed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4&feature=related

I remember being so excited for this match but then it just ended up being that neither of them sold any moves. WORST MATCH EVER!

[hbktonyb]

Great worst matches picks. Enjoyed watching!

[hbktonyb]

What the fuck was going on with that CM Punk/Burke match???

[ant_marching41]

What the fuck was going on with that CM Punk/Burke match???
I couldn't tell ya. That was just plain ugly. :shrug

[Speilmen230]

Had a great idea for the ECW title when NXT replaces ECW. Make it a title that is held by guy's who have a Cruiserweight OR Hardcore Style. and the participants need to be 225 lbs or under.

[Speilmen230]

anyone watching TNA?

Mr. Kennedy.. er Mr. Anderson is great on there. really looks like he could be main event level.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm watching TNA and I still dislike Mr. Kennedy/Anderson.

[Speilmen230]

I'm watching TNA and I still dislike Mr. Kennedy/Anderson.

i was always a fan of his. his mic skills are better than anyone in WWE or TNA, and he is getting better in the ring every match,

[BotheDMBFan]

i was always a fan of his. his mic skills are better than anyone in WWE or TNA, and he is getting better in the ring every match,

His Mic Skills were crap aside from doing his call. I can't wait til he gets busted for drugs again before another huge push. That guy is such a fucking tard.

[Evans]

I came up with a great finishing move, well, kind of a combo of other moves actually. First, you give the guy a big boot to the face ala Hogan. But then, as he's dazed, you continue moving forward and do a running version of the Rude Awakening.

I applied once to be a WWF wrestler, back when I was 12. I still have the rejection letter.

[JacobLovesYou]

getting rid of the survivor series sucks. its one of the original 4. maybe if the writing was better they could make people care about the tournament and then it would be more popular.

[Speilmen230]

I think TNA really needs to drop the time limit announcement. really makes it seem minor league.

[Speilmen230]

Damn AJ looks good with Flair.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Flair is the man.

[BotheDMBFan]

Damn AJ looks good with Flair.

To me, AJ is Orton lite. He hasn't jumped ship to the E because he knows he won't get pushed to be a main eventer. Same with Joe.

[Speilmen230]

To me, AJ is Orton lite. He hasn't jumped ship to the E because he knows he won't get pushed to be a main eventer. Same with Joe.

Joe honestly should be the face of TNA, he is the most marketable and when you think Samoa Joe you think TNA.

[BotheDMBFan]

Samoa Joe isn't marketable, nor is he all that great.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I saw that coming.

[Speilmen230]

Wow great turn there!! looked like it was going to be WCW all over again. I liked it. Baby steps for TNA. they can get their but they need to develop their young talent more and not rely on the WWE established stars.

[K3nTaKa0s]

A plus tonight... the Nasty Boys did not make an appearance.

[BotheDMBFan]

Top 5 matches ever... (I doubt there will be any TNA...because they suck.)

5. Mankind v.s. Shawn Michaels "Mind Games" at In Your House 10. I can't find it on youtube, which pisses me off. This one was FANTASTIC! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zRRL8I7x8I It's a lame little clip thing for it. If anyone could find all of it, I would appreciate it.

[BotheDMBFan]

4. Tiger Mask v.s. Dynamite Kid. I don't always watch Puro, but when I do, I always try to watch Tiger Mask. This one is just some of the best pure wrestling you will EVER see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhTYbonnyl0

[Speilmen230]

Here is the problem, when i play TNA name association this is what i get.

Hogan = WWE
Angle = WWE
Hardy = WWE
Sting = WCW
Flair = WWE/WCW
Mr. Anderson = WWE
Taz = WWE
Mike Tenay = WCW

AJ Styles = TNA
Samoa Joe = TNA
Jeff Jarrett = TNA
Abyss = TNA

[BotheDMBFan]

3. Razor Ramon v.s. Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania X. Best ladder match EVER. I can't find part one, so I'll just put up the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefrvmrNVWw&feature=related

[BotheDMBFan]

What I get when I play.

Hogan = WCW
Angle = WWE
Hardy = WWE
Sting = Stampede
Flair = WWE
Mr. Anderson = Loser.
Taz = ECW
Mike Tenay = Who? ;)

AJ Styles = TNA
Samoa Joe = TNA
Jeff Jarrett = WCW
Abyss = Who?

[K3nTaKa0s]

When I think of Tazz, I think of ECW.

[BotheDMBFan]

#2. Bret Hart v.s. Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCx9N3hfICE&feature=related Best commentating work McMahon and Lawler ever did. Arguably the most famous image in WWE history too, with Austin's bloody face and blood on his tooth.

[Crush086]

anyone watching TNA?

Mr. Kennedy.. er Mr. Anderson is great on there. really looks like he could be main event level.
Anderson has potential. His intro is nice, but I haven't actually seen alot of his TNA matches.

I saw that coming.

I did too. No way Hogan would pull a heel turn so early in his tenure. I think Bischoff may do something fishy at the PPV sunday though.

[BotheDMBFan]

I had a hard time picking between these two. Both are all time favorites of mine. One won match of the year from PWI, the other is probably largely forgotten in the annals of wrestling history. For all 4 men in the two respective matches, it is IMO the best match they have ever worked. So for #1...a tie. Oh, they were both free matches too.

#1 a. Kurt Angle v Brock Lesnar, 60 Minute Ironman Match on Smackdown! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beR3lPc6Vpo

[mja271]

#2. Bret Hart v.s. Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCx9N3hfICE&feature=related Best commentating work McMahon and Lawler ever did. Arguably the most famous image in WWE history too, with Austin's bloody face and blood on his tooth.

legendary match

[BotheDMBFan]

#1b. The Rock vs The Hurricane on Raw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861k1At5Ys0

For both of my #1's, I have never been more into a match. I was marking the fuck out THE ENTIRE time.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgDM87isUtA&feature=related

One of my favorite promos EVER.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA Pick Em:


TNA Against All Odds
-Feb 14, 2010
-Impact Zone, Orlando, FL
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM


TNA World Championship:

A.J. Styles (c) vs. Samoa Joe (Eric Bischoff as Guest Referee)


Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D


Eight Man Stud Tournament:

(Top Half)

Desmond Wolfe vs. "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero
Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan


(Bottom Half)

Abyss vs. Mick Foley
Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Anderson


Who will be the two finalists?


Who will be the winner to become #1 contender?

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA Pick Em:


TNA Against All Odds
-Feb 14, 2010
-Impact Zone, Orlando, FL
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM


TNA World Championship:

A.J. Styles (c) vs. Samoa Joe (Eric Bischoff as Guest Referee)


Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D


Eight Man Stud Tournament:

(Top Half)

Desmond Wolfe vs. "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero
Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan


(Bottom Half)

Abyss vs. Mick Foley
Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Anderson


Who will be the two finalists?


Who will be the winner to become #1 contender?




1. Styles
2. Nasty Boys
3. Wolfe
4. Morgan
5. Foley
6. Angle
7. Angle v Foley
8. Angle

[K3nTaKa0s]

Can't be Angle vs. Foley. They're on the same side of the bracket.

[BotheDMBFan]

Can't be Angle vs. Foley. They're on the same side of the bracket.

Bah. I pay no attention to TNA. I was just going through something I wanted to see. Angle to win anyways. TNA to go out of business in 2 years. Me to laugh my ass off afterwards.

Angle v Wolfe I guess.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yU2rEUCJU

[ant_marching41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgDM87isUtA&feature=related

One of my favorite promos EVER.

:lol Whats up wit dat?!

Related video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzObxQ_tqH4&feature=related

[DmBand801]

Good. Make it dedicated to Hell in the Cell instead. Or Elimination Chamber matches. Or Kennels From Hell. Or just beat the shit out of Cena the entire time.

:thumbsup:lol

[kittensXLI]

Samoa Joe is beyond God-awful. Hard to imagine a worse wrestler within the last decade to be overrated this much.

[BotheDMBFan]

Joe isn't bad or anything. He's good in the ring, mediocre on the mic. He just has NO personality.

[Crush086]

TNA Against All Odds
-Feb 14, 2010
-Impact Zone, Orlando, FL
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM


TNA World Championship:

A.J. Styles (c) vs. Samoa Joe (Eric Bischoff as Guest Referee)


Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D


Eight Man Stud Tournament:

(Top Half)

Desmond Wolfe vs. "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero
Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan


(Bottom Half)

Abyss vs. Mick Foley
Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Anderson


Who will be the two finalists? Wolfe vs. Angle


Who will be the winner to become #1 contender? Wolfe

[Speilmen230]

TNA could be good, very good, but i feel like they aren't creative enough. not that WWE is being super creative lately, but TNA very much relies on in-ring talent vs the total package of Personality, Mic Skills, In Ring Ability, & Look.

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA could be good, very good, but i feel like they aren't creative enough. not that WWE is being super creative lately, but TNA very much relies on in-ring talent vs the total package of Personality, Mic Skills, In Ring Ability, & Look.

TNA relies on old people most stopped giving a shit about a long time ago. Just like WCW, which is why I think they'll fail even harder.

[Crush086]

TNA relies on old people most stopped giving a shit about a long time ago. Just like WCW, which is why I think they'll fail even harder.
They were doing it a couple weeks ago when they had The Band and The Nasty Boys on air alot, but TNA has alot of raw talent. Even though Angle is one of the older wrestlers, he can still deliver a great match.

If they can move from this terrible Band plot, and get Matt Morgan, Wolfe, and the others some more airtime, throw in some more creative writing, they could be great.

[BotheDMBFan]

They were doing it a couple weeks ago when they had The Band and The Nasty Boys on air alot, but TNA has alot of raw talent. Even though Angle is one of the older wrestlers, he can still deliver a great match.

If they can move from this terrible Band plot, and get Matt Morgan, Wolfe, and the others some more airtime, throw in some more creative writing, they could be great.

Isn't Russo a head writer for them? Haven't they given all the booking power to the vets? Gee...

Angle I don't count as an "older" wrestler. He's still prime. Everything else is just tarded. Scott Steiner? 5 year olds could deliver a better promo. 7 year olds would be better in the ring. Hogan? Mr Drug Bust himself, Hardy? Just ridiculous.

[Crush086]

Isn't Russo a head writer for them? Haven't they given all the booking power to the vets? Gee...

Angle I don't count as an "older" wrestler. He's still prime. Everything else is just tarded. Scott Steiner? 5 year olds could deliver a better promo. 7 year olds would be better in the ring. Hogan? Mr Drug Bust himself, Hardy? Just ridiculous.
Steiner's promos are hilarious, because he's so terrible with the English language. I haven't seen him in a match in ages though. The Hulkster hasn't gotten too involved yet (wrestling that is, I doubt he can put on a good enough match). And who cares about Hardy's arrest? The guy still puts on some of the best performances you'll see.

While TNA puts out dinosaurs, at least they don't have a retarded midget, and don't market a guy that can't wrestle as their main event material.

[BotheDMBFan]

Steiner's promos are hilarious, because he's so terrible with the English language. I haven't seen him in a match in ages though. The Hulkster hasn't gotten too involved yet (wrestling that is, I doubt he can put on a good enough match). And who cares about Hardy's arrest? The guy still puts on some of the best performances you'll see.

While TNA puts out dinosaurs, at least they don't have a retarded midget, and don't market a guy that can't wrestle as their main event material.

I care about Hardy's arrest because he's going to go away for a LONG time. It was just a lot of money to put into a guy that might not be there in a year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Motivational speaker DDP >>> Any other incarnation of any character that didn't last very long EVER.

Fuck you Bob Holly for hurting him, and many others.

[kittensXLI]

Bob Holly is such a tool.

[Crush086]

I care about Hardy's arrest because he's going to go away for a LONG time. It was just a lot of money to put into a guy that might not be there in a year.
Fair enough. Once the Monday Night Wars officially start, if he ever shows up again, he could definitely help put TNA over WWE, assuming he's there for a decent time.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I didn't watch TNA before Hogan showed up, so I don't know if they're headed in the right direction or not. I don't think it's a bad product like some people say. I don't know what Bischoff is going to do at the PPV.

Hopefully they can leave Orlando at some point for some live shows.

[Speilmen230]

i would be interested in who the head writer's and bookers for TNA are. i know Bishoff was a big reason that WCW went down, but he is also the reason the WCW went to the top as well. i think they should let him give some creative input. Obviously he is older now and more mature and probably a lot smarter than he once was back in the day. I don't think he is near as big headed and ignorant. I am not the biggest fan of TNA but i want them to succeed and to do well so that WWE steps it up and maybe goes back to TV-14.

[Crush086]

I enjoy TNA. I don't usually watch a match and say, "man, this match is stupid and blows".

I tend to do that for most of Raw, until the main eventers get involved.

[ExperienceJones]

Two of the greatest ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQTNm8jhOeo

haha

[kittensXLI]

Buff Bagwell sucked.

Disco Inferno could've been huge if handled the right way.

[ExperienceJones]

Buff Bagwell sucked.

Disco Inferno could've been huge if handled the right way.

No love for Buff Daddy?

I liked him when he was in a tag team with Scott "the flash" Norton

[kittensXLI]

No love for Buff Daddy?

I liked him when he was in a tag team with Scott "the flash" Norton
I wasn't too big on WCW, but Buff just bored me to death in every aspect.

[ExperienceJones]

you guys hear that Flair is going to start doign matches?

[Speilmen230]

you guys hear that Flair is going to start doign matches?

that man is determined to die in a wrestling ring...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Another Wrasslemania Fact...

Three different men held the WWF title for a portion of WrestleMania IX. Bret Hart walked in as the champion and lost the title to Yokozune. He then lost the title a little over 3 minutes later to Hulk Hogan.

[DMBfan41]

So basically TNA is gonna be on Mondays until Monday Night Football comes back, i think the ratings will be horrible. The product is terrible.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.justin.tv/slapnut_v5#r=nLGHB5I

Announcers: Tony Schiavone and Jim Ross (I think). Interesting duo.

[BotheDMBFan]

Eric Bischoff was not the main reason for WCW's fall. That lies at the feet of Ted Turner and Vince Russo.

[BotheDMBFan]

Sting might end up in the WWE Hall of Fame without having wrestled for them ONCE.

[BotheDMBFan]

"The only reason you were champion for a YEAR is because HHH didn't wanna work Tuesdays." Paul Heyman to JBL.

[BotheDMBFan]

Kenny Dykstra was expected to be a big star, got cut. Spirit Squad LAWLZ.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA Against All Odds Picks:

A.J. Styles
Team 3D

D'Angelo Dinero
Matt Morgan

Mr. Anderson
Abyss

D'Angelo Dinero over Morgan
Mr. Anderson over Abyss

D'Angero Dinero

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA PPV tonight.

[kittensXLI]

What? How do I made picks?

[ant_marching41]

TNA Against All Odds

-Feb 14, 2010

-Impact Zone, Orlando, FL

-Bell Time: 8:00 PM


TNA World Championship:
A.J. Styles (c) vs. Samoa Joe (Eric Bischoff as Guest Referee)


Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D


Eight Man Stud Tournament:

(Top Half)
Desmond Wolfe vs. "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero

Hernandez vs. Matt Morgan


(Bottom Half)
Abyss vs. Mick Foley

Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Anderson


Who will be the two finalists? Wolfe and Anderson

Who will be the winner to become #1 contender? Aaaaaaaaaandersooooon

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.rage-streams.net/forum/view.php?pg=streampage

[hbktonyb]

Stream already down...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Dinero vs. Desmond Wolfe to start things off.

[K3nTaKa0s]

D'Angelo Dinero defeats Wolfe to advance to the semifinals.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Matt Morgan vs. Hernandez.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Morgan pins Hernandez.

[hbktonyb]

Watching on any other streams?

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.streams.wrestling-rebound.net/

Mr. Kennedy match coming up.

[hbktonyb]

An-DER-SONNNNNNNNNNNNN

[K3nTaKa0s]

Did you get it to work?

[hbktonyb]

TNA crowds >>>> WWE crowds

[hbktonyb]

Yup, watching now. I love Angle.

[K3nTaKa0s]

OMGZ, we g0tz bl00d.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This has been a good match.

[hbktonyb]

Very good, but Kurt can have a good match with the Big Boss Man.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Mr. Anderson hits the mic check on Kurt Angle to eliminate the Olympic gold medalist.

[hbktonyb]

Wonder if Kurt is returning to WWE...jobbing to AN-DER-SONNNNNNN

[hbktonyb]

Foley is GOOD.

[kittensXLI]

Dang. I didn't get picks in on time. Can we not put those towards the overall pick scores? Or was that for WWE PPVs only anyway?

Maybe have seperate standings for each company?

[ant_marching41]

Ouch.

Edit: I hate Abyss.

[hbktonyb]

Freakin Nasy Boyz

[K3nTaKa0s]

Dang. I didn't get picks in on time. Can we not put those towards the overall pick scores? Or was that for WWE PPVs only anyway?

Maybe have seperate standings for each company?

We can do them separately, even though I'm 4-0 right now. haha.

Anyway... I hope this tag match isn't too bad. Been a solid PPV so far.

[hbktonyb]

I gotta make my picks for the next PPV, I keep missing it. HOpefully this is a quick one. I hate the Dudleys and the Nastys.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Feed went out for a few minutes.. I doubt I missed much.

[hbktonyb]

Way too long.

BORING....BORING....BORING

[K3nTaKa0s]

Yeah... this isn't very good.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Nasty Boys get interference from "The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart to beat the Dudley Boys. I was stupid for picking the Team 3D.

[hbktonyb]

The Mouth of the South has returned!

[hbktonyb]

I miss managers. Loved the Dr. of Style, Slick.

[hbktonyb]

Where is Hollywood??

[K3nTaKa0s]

The Pope vs. Matt Morgan coming up.

[hbktonyb]

Not a huge fan of Morgan yet.

[K3nTaKa0s]

He's good for a big guy.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Pope defeats Matt Morgan.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Mr Anderson vs. The Pope for the #1 Contendor spot for the TNA Title.

[ant_marching41]

Results?

[hbktonyb]

Joe vs. Styles going on now.

[AndySlash]

Styles hitting headfirst on the outside made me audibly gasp

[K3nTaKa0s]

Guh. Feed died on me.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Styles retains title against Joe.

[ant_marching41]

Mr Anderson vs. The Pope for the #1 Contendor spot for the TNA Title.
Who won this one?

[AndySlash]

it's coming up

[TheTallOne]

Two WWE rejects for the TNA title. Interesting.

[kittensXLI]

Two WWE rejects for the TNA title. Interesting.
Who?!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hall and X-Pac attack The Pope during his prematch interview.

[hbktonyb]

Feed is dead

[ant_marching41]

Hall and X-Pac attack The Pope during his prematch interview.
Seriously? FUCK THESE TWO WASTES OF SEMEN.

[hbktonyb]

Hey yo

[TheTallOne]

Who?!
Elijah Burke and Mr. Kennedey

[kittensXLI]

Elijah Burke and Mr. Kennedey
Kennedy is good, but he is constantly on drugs. Burke is the guy who had arguably the worst match of the decade with CM Punk, right? Forget that crapper.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.newworldchannel.net/free-streams/

[kittensXLI]

If Kennedy loses, forget TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Anderson controlling this match so far.

[kittensXLI]

It already started? Latest link is delayed and choppy then.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.newworldchannel.net/free-streams/

I think I'm on Stream 4.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Anderson is cutting a promo during the match.

[JacobLovesYou]

during the match?

[K3nTaKa0s]

PPVs never get this close to 11:00.

Yes.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Pope wins.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA Against All Odds Standings:

K3nTaKa0s -- 8-1
ant_marching41 -- 5-2
bothedmbfan -- 3-3
Crush086 -- 3-3

[Crush086]

TNA Against All Odds Standings:

K3nTaKa0s -- 8-1
ant_marching41 -- 5-2
bothedmbfan -- 3-3
Crush086 -- 3-3

Boy, I really shit the bed this PPV. I honestly didn't see Pope winning this one, although it was obvious during the match when Anderson did the promo.

Not bad though. How much do these PPV events cost? I may start buying them if they're still only like 30 dollars.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Tonight's PPV was $15.

[ant_marching41]

TNA Against All Odds Standings:

K3nTaKa0s -- 8-1
ant_marching41 -- 5-2
bothedmbfan -- 3-3
Crush086 -- 3-3
If I remember correctly, that's twice that I came in second. Not bad.

Edit: I honestly thought Anderson was going to win tonight. I didn't see the match since I was at work, so I'm not sure of how Pope came out on top.. Anywho, I haven't been following TNA that closely, but I don't see the logic behind Anderson not winning the number one contender match, especially over Pope. Are they trying to have Styles as champ for that long? Why bring in a name like Anderson and not have him face off against Styles?

[ant_marching41]

Anderson is cutting a promo during the match.
Him and CM should have a "Best in-match Promo" match.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Maybe an Anderson/Joe clash soon.

[kittensXLI]

Him and CM should have a "Best in-match Promo" match.
Add The Rock for a Triple Threat Match, granted his was more table-side commentary, but still.

[Crush086]

If I remember correctly, that's twice that I came in second. Not bad.

Edit: I honestly thought Anderson was going to win tonight. I didn't see the match since I was at work, so I'm not sure of how Pope came out on top.. Anywho, I haven't been following TNA that closely, but I don't see the logic behind Anderson not winning the number one contender match, especially over Pope. Are they trying to have Styles as champ for that long? Why bring in a name like Anderson and not have him face off against Styles?

Basically, Anderson had control of the match, then he had the mic come down and he said something along of the lines of "I'm one Mic Check away from number one contender". He then hit the Mic Check, then Pope kicked out. From there Pope turned the tables and hit him with the DDE to finish the match.

[ant_marching41]

Basically, Anderson had control of the match, then he had the mic come down and he said something along of the lines of "I'm one Mic Check away from number one contender". He then hit the Mic Check, then Pope kicked out. From there Pope turned the tables and hit him with the DDE to finish the match.
Thanks.

[K3nTaKa0s]

So, who's excited to watch Jerry Springer on Raw tomorrow night (well, tonight)?

[Crush086]

So, who's excited to watch Jerry Springer on Raw tomorrow night (well, tonight)?
I don't know. Springer's known for his outrageous show, and that and today's WWE don't mix.

I think the matches tonight (and Orton's fallout with Cody for losing last week) will keep Springer in the back most of the night.

[ant_marching41]

I hope Springer gives a "Final Thought" tonight. With pro wresling being the soap opera that it is, there's no reason for Springer to not have a mini show within the two hours.

[hbktonyb]

TNA live on Mondays every other week, taped every other week. Monday night wars are returning!

[AndySlash]

good.

[DMBfan41]

live every other week? Great, so I can read the TNA results before they air and if i'm not interested, i don't have to bother

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think TNA can make it work. Them doing so is a whole other story.

I'd really love a reason just to watch TNA on Monday Nights instead of Raw.

[Speilmen230]

I think TNA can make it work. Them doing so is a whole other story.

I'd really love a reason just to watch TNA on Monday Nights instead of Raw.

yeah even if TNA isn't up to par with RAW it still gives people a reason to channel flip which i like.

[JacobLovesYou]

i just want TNA to do good so WWE gets their shit together

[Crush086]

I think TNA can make it work. Them doing so is a whole other story.

I'd really love a reason just to watch TNA on Monday Nights instead of Raw.
I think they can too. That way when Hornswoggle shows up I can turn the channel.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'd like to see two Divas get into it tonight.

[Speilmen230]

So who is tuning into what show on March 8th?

[K3nTaKa0s]

^ We'll see what WWE has to offer for that show.


Batista to appear tonight.

[hbktonyb]

Switching back and forth, like the old days.

[kittensXLI]

What stations?

[TheTallOne]

USA and Spike

[Speilmen230]

and raw begins with... sheamus.. Fuck my life...

[kittensXLI]

This guy is the champion? Pathetic.

[Speilmen230]

This guy is the champion? Pathetic.

yeah i know right...

[kittensXLI]

Sheamus will win tonight and lose on Sunday.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think Sheamus retains at the Elimination Chamber. I don't feel the same about the Undertaker.

[devilandthelord]

I hope Edge comes in at the last minute and beats both of them to win both titles cuz he is just so darn sneaky and opportunistic.

[ant_marching41]

Here comes Bret.

[kittensXLI]

Eh true, with Undertaker losing, I'm not sure if I'd pick Sheamus to lose also.

[ant_marching41]

Here comes Bret.
And there he goes????? Whuuuaaat?

This isn't the end of this.

[K3nTaKa0s]

He'll be back.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm not sure what this is all about.

[ant_marching41]

Umm what just happened there?

[K3nTaKa0s]

222-2222 .... there's a good phone number.