Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[JRS1386]

Punk with the win! Pretty awesome match overall.

[Speilmen230]

YES!!!!!!!!!!

:D :bounce

[gocubsgo3822]

Love me some punk

[JRS1386]

The best thing about this match is they didn't have Punk magically regain the ability to use his arm in the GTS and he sold that injury very well. Both men put on a hell of a match

[mja271]

Tag matches just really don't do much for me. The beatdown followed by the hot tag formula is so predictable and played out

[jackisback24]

Why is this thread dead?

[JRS1386]

I stopped watching after the Punk match

[K3nTaKa0s]

Cena heel turn tonight.

[JRS1386]

Seems logical

[jackisback24]

Cena heel turn tonight.
did it happen or your prediction?

[mja271]

Love the Rock

[mja271]

The most electrifying move...

[mja271]

Jeez Rock looks great considering his gap in ring time

[mja271]

Pretty lame main event though

[jackisback24]

what happened?

[mja271]

Rock pinned Miz, then the Rock posed while Cena watched and it was awkward

[mja271]

and then Rock Bottom to Cena

[mja271]

The ending bs seemed like stuff that's normally off camera, it was pretty dumb

[jackisback24]

The ending bs seemed like stuff that's normally off camera, it was pretty dumb
Cena should turn at mania. if russo was booker hed make cena raw aonymous gm.

[BotheDMBFan]

Well that ending fucking sucked.

[gocubsgo3822]

Rock is so awesome. That match vs. Cena should be pretty solid

[gocubsgo3822]

WWEInsider The WWE Insider
Injury Update: Sin Cara suffered a ruptured patellar tendon, and will be out for 6-9 months, following surgery.

[JacobLovesYou]

Ending underwhelmed, but Rock looked great in the ring

[jaking1185]

WWEInsider The WWE Insider
Injury Update: Sin Cara suffered a ruptured patellar tendon, and will be out for 6-9 months, following surgery.

He's really been a bust of a big signing by HHH.

[gocubsgo3822]

Yea no shit. He botches half of his moves.. They wouldnt mask up Hunico would they?

[BotheDMBFan]

Sin generated A LOT of money. They can't mask up Hunico, now.

[CrashDMB237]

That sucks, I enjoyed watching Sin Cara week in and week out, even if his storylines blew. I didn't watch last night, but the ending seemed like kind of a bust. 0 surprise factor whatsoever. Luckily it was the Rock.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rock is still boring and lame.

[jackisback24]

so much for Mystico vs. Rey at Mania.

Maybe Evan Bourne vs. Rey at Mania?

[BotheDMBFan]

I doubt Bourne is getting a non-tag match at WM.

[Rodey]

Ryder Revolution!

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1321887327

[Rodey]

The only negative about Rock, and it's a pretty big one, is that now he'll disappear again. I can't stand him doing that.

[davidhamrick10]

Anybody heard anything about when Royal Rumble tickets go on sale?

[Speilmen230]

I would expect them to go on sale soon.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Champion C.M. Punk took some jabs at The Rock during a video game promotional appearance over the weekend. "You know, the thing about that is, he's not around," Punk told the New York Daily News.

"He's not around. It doesn't help morale when the guy goes right from his limo to the dressing room to the dressing room to the ring. He's very bourgeois Hollywood." .

[BotheDMBFan]

Lauranitis is finally doing it right.

[BotheDMBFan]

Would have liked to have seen ADR hold the armbreaker too long and Ryder get the DQ win other than that, pretty decent enhancement match for ADR.

[Speilmen230]

Did anyone else see the twitter logo flicker? Sign that y2j is coming back?

[Speilmen230]

http://www.youtube.com/user/itbegins2012

This is what the twitter logo linked too. Clearly it is undertaker.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ugh, I do not want HHH v Nash ever. I fear it'll be at Wrestlemania. :(

[BotheDMBFan]

Nice to see the Cody v Booker feud start.

[bradshaw06]

shame, i liked them as a team.

[Speilmen230]

Curious to see how this Heel vs Heel feud is going to play out. Where does Cena fit into Raw now? Is he just gonna float around for a few weeks?

[BotheDMBFan]

What happened?

[BotheDMBFan]

Just read, oh wow. That's fucking stupid.

[jaking1185]

Just read, oh wow. That's fucking stupid.

I agree. Cena says one thing and it all falls apart. Just like that. Lame.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Curious to see how this Heel vs Heel feud is going to play out. Where does Cena fit into Raw now? Is he just gonna float around for a few weeks?

R-Truth is a babyface.

[hbktonyb]

So dumb breaking them up.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well.. they weren't exactly booked strongly going into Survivor Series. And last night.. that sure as hell didn't do them any favors.

[BotheDMBFan]

Also, I hart the fucking no show by Hill.

[Rodey]

This leaves Miz and Truth floating in no man's land. Doesn't seem to make much sense.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This leaves Miz and Truth floating in no man's land. Doesn't seem to make much sense.

Might see Cena/Miz/Truth.

[gocubsgo3822]

That punk ziggler match was awesome..

I think they have to turn cena heel at this point every arena is booing him anyway

[hbktonyb]

Troof suspended, wellness policy.

Guess that explains it.

[jaking1185]

Troof suspended, wellness policy.

Guess that explains it.

Now that makes more sense. Felt like it was done on the fly.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, he got busted smoking herb with Bourne.

[BotheDMBFan]

Strange goings-on are afoot now. Cena v Miz feud AGAIN?!

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/245419-exclusive-backstage-updates-on-the-rock-and-cm-punk

[Rodey]

That punk ziggler match was awesome..

I think they have to turn cena heel at this point every arena is booing him anyway

Doesn't matter how much people boo Cena, they're not smart enough/don't have the balls to flip him heel. I have no idea why though.

[CrashDMB237]

Doesn't matter how much people boo Cena, they're not smart enough/don't have the balls to flip him heel. I have no idea why though.

Turning Cena heel would be a terrible business move. Terrible terrible business move. On an interest level? Fantastic. Business? Huge mistake.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/245419-exclusive-backstage-updates-on-the-rock-and-cm-punk

I do kinda agree with him though. Rock is like a mid 2000's Hogan. Hogan did that shit all time back in 2003-2005. Show up to the venue, go to the locker room, get dressed, do his thing, leave.

It isn't exactly good for locker room morale.

[Speilmen230]

Turning Cena heel would be a terrible business move. Terrible terrible business move. On an interest level? Fantastic. Business? Huge mistake.

Why? CM Punk is the number 1 merchandise seller, the WWE champion, and arguably is the 1b face of the company right now. Punk is a bigger star than Randy Orton who was always considered second fiddle to Cena.

They turn Cena heel and it gives WWE all the more reason to push Punk to the moon.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cena might not be #1, but being #3 sure as hell is nothing to scoff at.

[BotheDMBFan]

Also, Punk's headlining PPVs are at a netloss. The ratings are down when he's on. It's weird, but it is nowhere near time yet to have Punk be THE guy.

[Rodey]

Turning Cena heel would be a terrible business move. Terrible terrible business move. On an interest level? Fantastic. Business? Huge mistake.

Cena flipping heel is not going to hurt anything on the business level. Orton was the #1 heel for a long time and I would be interested in seeing his merchandise sales when he was heel. I bet they were still fine.

Top guys still sell when they turn, it's not like that changes a whole lot.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton's merch looks like real clothes though. Cena's have ALWAYS looks like wrestling shit.

[Speilmen230]

If you turn Cena, all the little kiddies aren't suddenly going to stop watching, they are gonna flock to someone else or continually tune in to see if Cena goes back to being 'the good guy'.

[CrashDMB237]

Think of more than merchandising. How many times does Punk do charity events? How many Make-a-Wish kids ask to see CM Punk? How many movies does Punk do? How many times does Punk salute the troops?

I'm not saying Punk is inferior to Cena, I think Punk is the best thing to happen to the WWE in years. But from a business standpoint, not just merchandising, Cena is the face of this company and to turn him heel would be flat out ass backwards... as much as I'd LOVE to see it happen.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cena flipping heel is not going to hurt anything on the business level. Orton was the #1 heel for a long time and I would be interested in seeing his merchandise sales when he was heel. I bet they were still fine.

Top guys still sell when they turn, it's not like that changes a whole lot.

Most guys, when they turn, don't have nearly as much passion one way or another as Cena does.

Also, parents are less likely to buy their kids a heel's merch. Adults probably won't buy Cena shit for themselves, if only out of embarrassment for how much they hated him.

[Speilmen230]

Think of more than merchandising. How many times does Punk do charity events? How many Make-a-Wish kids ask to see CM Punk? How many movies does Punk do? How many times does Punk salute the troops?

I'm not saying Punk is inferior to Cena, I think Punk is the best thing to happen to the WWE in years. But from a business standpoint, not just merchandising, Cena is the face of this company and to turn him heel would be flat out ass backwards... as much as I'd LOVE to see it happen.

You can still have him do all that.

WWE makes no money off Make-A-Wish, Charity events, or saluting the troops. Those are all PR events.

Movies are a bit of a different story, but there were talks of Punk doing a movie, and they have been using HHH in more movies lately.

[Rodey]

No one watches those movies anyway. :lol

[Rodey]

Think of more than merchandising. How many times does Punk do charity events? How many Make-a-Wish kids ask to see CM Punk? How many movies does Punk do? How many times does Punk salute the troops?

I'm not saying Punk is inferior to Cena, I think Punk is the best thing to happen to the WWE in years. But from a business standpoint, not just merchandising, Cena is the face of this company and to turn him heel would be flat out ass backwards... as much as I'd LOVE to see it happen.

I think you're forgetting that it worked fine for Rock. They flipped him heel and it provided some of the best Rock moments ever in my opinion.

[CrashDMB237]

You can still have him do all that.

WWE makes no money off Make-A-Wish, Charity events, or saluting the troops. Those are all PR events.

Movies are a bit of a different story, but there were talks of Punk doing a movie, and they have been using HHH in more movies lately.

PR means a whole whole whole lot more to the WWE than you're giving it credit for. The only "league" with more of an image problem than the WWE is the NBA. Because of the product, you need as much good PR as you can get. You'd be surprised how much the WWE prides itself on that.

[CrashDMB237]

I think you're forgetting that it worked fine for Rock. They flipped him heel and it provided some of the best Rock moments ever in my opinion.

Rock was way different. I don't think you can ever make Cena the Rock. He's not good enough.

Just to add on to this: the Rock got his fame and support by being amazing on the mic and awesome in the ring. Cena gets his support by being the good guy that all the kids and parents love. Two totally different personas. By flipping Cena, you'd take away the only things that made him this successful.

[BotheDMBFan]

PR trumps almost everything.

[Speilmen230]

trust me, i know how much they pride themselves on PR events. It's what makes them look like angels. Just because Cena is a heel on the programming doesn't mean he can't go around and grant wishes, salute the troops, and do charity events.

Also, they could make him a dynamic heel where he says screw you to the haters and only embraces the fans who truly support him. Ala Bret Hart with the Canada/USA stuff.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's a little bit different, given that the crowds were either entirely pro Bret, or entirely anti Bret...because...ya know...countries and such.

[CrashDMB237]

trust me, i know how much they pride themselves on PR events. It's what makes them look like angels. Just because Cena is a heel on the programming doesn't mean he can't go around and grant wishes, salute the troops, and do charity events.

Also, they could make him a dynamic heel where he says screw you to the haters and only embraces the fans who truly support him. Ala Bret Hart with the Canada/USA stuff.

How much more of that can he do? Where can you take it from where he is now? All this "rise above hate" shit is doing just that.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cena heel now would be boring. Cena is a lot like Ed Norton. If you give Norton the right script and the right people to work with, he excels. When you don't, he is mediocre at best. Look back on the "rapper Cena" stuff that everyone loves so much...it sucks. Cena is never going to be GOAT in the ring, but he is so much better than a lot of people are willing to give him credit for, because it's the cool thing to do.

[Speilmen230]

i think you have him literally come out and say screw everyone that boos me. I am tired of busting my ass trying to win you over. You all can go to hell, i know who the true fans are.

[BotheDMBFan]

i think you have him literally come out and say screw everyone that boos me. I am tired of busting my ass trying to win you over. You all can go to hell, i know who the true fans are.

That sounds awful, and would end up turning everyone off. The kids like what he is now, damn near squeeky clean.

[Speilmen230]

different strokes i guess. I just hate how they almost never directly acknowledge that he has people who flat out hate him. They always beat around the bush and say that he is controversial or he evokes a reaction from the fans like no one ever has from the WWE Universe.

Just come out and say there is a strong group of people who hate everything cena does.

[BotheDMBFan]

different strokes i guess. I just hate how they almost never directly acknowledge that he has people who flat out hate him. They always beat around the bush and say that he is controversial or he evokes a reaction from the fans like no one ever has from the WWE Universe.

Just come out and say there is a strong group of people who hate everything cena does.

Which would make kids sad.

[Rodey]

different strokes i guess. I just hate how they almost never directly acknowledge that he has people who flat out hate him. They always beat around the bush and say that he is controversial or he evokes a reaction from the fans like no one ever has from the WWE Universe.

Just come out and say there is a strong group of people who hate everything cena does.

I agree, it's stupid. It makes him look like a dumbass when he comes out and says, "You people are chanting a breakfast cereal! That's why I love you!" when they're making fun of him.

That's why nobody takes Cena seriously, because they make his character look so stupid. It's one thing to be the "good guy" face that he is, but's it's another thing to constantly get shit on by a good majority of the audience and just brush it off and laugh about it. It hurts any legitimacy he has to be honest.

[AndySlash]

I agree, it's stupid. It makes him look like a dumbass when he comes out and says, "You people are chanting a breakfast cereal! That's why I love you!" when they're making fun of him.

it makes him look stupid to the same people in the audience who boo him. it's funny and endearing to those who cheer him.

turning him heel will happen, but he's fine right where he is right now. the dichotomy we're seeing doesn't happen all that often in wrestling, and they're right to milk it for as long as they can.

[Speilmen230]

I feel like Tweener Cena vs Mega-Star Face Rock would just be a let down. You know the entire stadium in Miami is going to be pro-Rock and Anti-Cena. Similar to RVD/Cena at ONS, and Punk/Cena at MITB. There MIGHT be a feint Lets Go Cena chant, but it is going to be 95% RO-CKY RO-CKY chants. I just feel like it sort of compromises the the storyline, because it is Mega-Star vs Face of the Company. Just because Cena is the face of the company doesn't mean he HAS to be Face. He should acknowledge the fact that he is going to be booed out of the city, except for a small string of CeNation faithfuls. Which will get the kiddies excited that he is talking directly to them, and get everyone else against him.

[gocubsgo3822]

Turning Cena heel would be a terrible business move. Terrible terrible business move. On an interest level? Fantastic. Business? Huge mistake.

They could heel turn him like Bret Hart. That would work

[Speilmen230]

Matt Hardy Update

The Fayetteville Observer is reporting that Matt Hardy is still in jail as of Wednesday in the Moore County Detention Center in Moore County, North Carolina pending one million dollar bond.

Hardy, who was arrested Friday evening after being kicked out of rehabilitation center for failing a breathalyzer test, is scheduled for court next Monday in Moore County District Court due to three prior arrests.

What 80's WWF Star Did Chyna Date?

Kayfabe Commentaries recently did an interview with Chyna to talk about number of topics including Triple H, Sean Waltman, WWE, TNA, past suicide attempts and more.

During the "YouShoot" interview, she reveals that she dated Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake when she was 18 years old. This would have occurred in 1989 when Beefcake was a top star in the World Wrestling Federation.

Source: Wrestlezone

[gocubsgo3822]

Picked up WWE 12 today... New gameplay is difficult

[Speilmen230]

Backstage Heat On Zack Ryder, WWE Twitter Promotion
by Justin LaBar
November 23, 2011

Backstage Heat On Zack Ryder

There seems to be some heat from WWE officials on Zack Ryder for him changing his hair color to blonde according to PWInsider.com. Officials are upset with Ryder dying his hair before asking because most of his merchandise shows him with dark hair.

WWE Twitter Promotion

As reported in the past, many in WWE are rolling their eyes at the heavy promotion of Twitter during WWE shows. It is being said that WWE feels their ratings have dropped overall in recent time because not enough people are aware of WWE's product. The aggressive push for terms and people to trend on twitter is meant to bring awareness to those who aren't currently engaged in the product.Ugh... and bigger UGH

[K3nTaKa0s]

- According to Pwinsider.com, John Morrison is scheduled to finish up with WWE on Monday's WWE Raw tapings. Word is that TNA is interested in him, and sources have said that they could bring him in with Melina. There are also other reports that say that they are interested in making him the star of the X-Division, and having him work a program with Austin Aries.

If Morrison goes to TNA, he would have to use a different ring name, as WWE owns the rights to the "John Morrison" name/gimmick.

[CrashDMB237]

John Morrison immediately becomes the best in-ring performer in TNA. Not even a question.

[gocubsgo3822]

I am not a morrison fan

[Speilmen230]

Best in ring performer in TNA still belongs to Kurt Angle IMO. When Kurt is on, no one can touch him. Unfortunately, he usually isn't at that level.

[jackisback24]

John Morrison immediately becomes the best in-ring performer in TNA. Not even a question.
HHH brought him back with a push---not sure what happened.

[K3nTaKa0s]

John Morrison immediately becomes the best in-ring performer in TNA. Not even a question.

Not quite. Sorry.

[CrashDMB237]

Not quite. Sorry.

Yea, it's very true. I hate to break the news. But who am I to tell you what to enjoy. If your standards are low enough to enjoy an inferior product, I'm jealous personally.

[K3nTaKa0s]

You'll have to point me to John Morrison's five-star matches.

[jackisback24]

Yea, it's very true. I hate to break the news. But who am I to tell you what to enjoy. If your standards are low enough to enjoy an inferior product, I'm jealous personally.


LollerJets.:lol

[CrashDMB237]

You'll have to point me to John Morrison's five-star matches.

Morrison doesn't need to put on 5-star matches to be the best performer in TNA. I'm not talking crap, it's the truth. He's so far and away the best in-ring guy if TNA signs him, I don't even see how it's an argument.

[Crush086]

You'll have to point me to John Morrison's five-star matches.
Honestly, his leap to the barricade during the RR is the only awesome thing he did that I enjoyed. His Starship finisher is stupid, but he'd probably have potential in the X-Division.

[Speilmen230]

Morrison can put on solid matches, but he is certainly not the best in ring performer in either company.

[CrashDMB237]

Morrison can put on solid matches, but he is certainly not the best in ring performer in either company.

Definitely not WWE. But in terms of execution and whatnot I don't see too many people better than him in TNA.

[jackisback24]

I think Morrisson/Melina is a better fit then Christian was, thus Morrison could be champ soon. Prob before Mania. Great athlete, some charisma...not sure why the E buried him.

[davidhamrick10]

You'll have to point me to John Morrison's five-star matches.
His match with Miz on Januray 1st for the WWE Title is probably his best match.

[BotheDMBFan]

Morrison is going into acting when his contract is up, not TNA.

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk taking over Nexus was so lame. Should have been awesome, but they blew it. The crowds were dead the whole time.

[Speilmen230]

you watching old episodes, bo?

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, I was. Just wasted potential. Punk's best hairstyle, too.

[Speilmen230]

The short blonde and black?

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, that was dope.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Not sure if this has been posted yet. But I remember some people in here being interested in some Japanese stuff. Highspots is running a Black Friday Sale. Here is a Buy 1 get 1 for $30.00. Here are two of the possible DVD sets offered.

Top 20 Japanese Matches of the 90s 5 DVD-R Set
Who doesn't like countdown shows? Now here's a countdown show that wrestling fans deserve. The 90s were some of the best wrestling to ever be seen in Japan, and we've got your Top 20 Japanese Matches of the 90s!

DISC 1

* 20. El Samurai vs. Shinjiro Ohtani (1/29/96 - UWA Title)
* 19. Vader vs. Stan Hansen (2/10/90 - Super Fight)
* 18. Hiroshi Hase vs. Great Muta (12/14/92)
* 17. Keiji Mutoh & Masa Chono vs. Hiroshi Hase & Kensuke Sasaki (11/1/90 - IWGP Tag Titles)

DISC 2

* 16. Vader vs. Antonio Inoki (1/4/96)
* 15. Great Sasuke vs. Ultimo Dragon (8/5/96 - J-Crown Finals)
* 14. Jushin Liger vs. Shinjiro Ohtani (3/17/96 - IWGP Jr. Title)
* 13. Shinya Hashimoto vs. Genichiro Tenryu (8/1/98 - G1-Climax)
* 12. Hiroshi Hase & Kensuke Sasaki vs. The Steiner Brothers (3/21/91 - IWGP Tag Titles)

DISC 3

* 11. Jushin Liger vs. Owen Hart (4/27/91 - TOSJ '91)
* 10. Jushin Liger vs. Shinjiro Ohtani (2/9/97 - J-Crown Title)
* 9. Keiji Mutoh vs. Masa Chono (8/11/91 - G-1 Climax Finals)

DISC 4

* 8. El Samurai vs. Koji Kanemoto (6/5/97 - TOSJ '97 Finals)
* 7. Great Sasuke vs. Jushin Liger (4/16/94 - J-Cup Semi-Finals)
* 6. Great Sasuke & Black Tiger vs. Wild Pegasus & Shinjiro Ohtani (10/16/94 - Jr. Tag League Finals)
* 5. Pegasus Kid vs. El Samurai (6/15/93 - TOSJ 93 Finals)

DISC 5

* 4. Jushin Liger vs. Naoki Sano (1/31/90 - IWGP Jr. Title)
* 3. Jushin Liger vs. El Samurai (4/30/92 - TOSJ '92 Finals)
* 2. Ultimo Dragon vs. Shinjiro Ohtani (8/4/96 J-Crown Semi-Finals)
* 1. Great Sasuke vs. Wild Pegasus (4/16/94 J-Cup Finals)
* BONUS MATCH: Great Sasuke vs. Jushin Liger (7/8/94)

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NWA World Title in Japan 6 DVD-R Set
Travel to Japan for some of the most historic NWA World Title matches ever! These rare bouts are compiled in this special SIX DISC collection featuring such NWA World Hwt. Champions as Lou Thesz, Jack Brisco, Giant Baba, Terry Funk, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Kerry Von Erich, Ricky Steamboat& more!
Disc One

1. NWA World Champion Lou Thesz vs. Rikidozan (10/13/57)
2. NWA World Champion Jack Brisco vs. Dory Funk Jr. in a best two out of three falls match (1/27/74)
3. NWA World Champion Jack Brisco vs. Jumbo Tsuruta in a best two out of three falls match (1/30/74)

Disc Two

1. NWA World Champion Jack Brisco vs. Shohei "Giant" Baba in a best two out of three falls match (Baba wins title, 20:46, 12/2/74)
2. NWA World Champion Shohei "Giant" Baba vs. Jack Brisco in a best two out of three falls match (23:46, 12/5/74)
3. NWA World Champion Jack Brisco vs. Bobo Brazil in a best two out of three falls match (3/13/75)
4. NWA World Champion Terry Funk vs. Jumbo Tsuruta in a best two out of three falls match (6/11/76)
5. NWA World Champion Harley Race vs. Jumbo Tsuruta in a best two out of three falls match (21:58, 6/11/77)

Disc Three

1. NWA World Champion Harley Race vs. Shoehi "Giant" Baba (Baba wins title, 18:29, 10/31/79)
2. NWA World Champion Shoehi "Giant" Baba vs. Harley Race (Race wins title, 20:58, 11/7/79)
3. NWA World Champion Harley Race vs. Shoehi "Giant" Baba (Baba wins title, 14:05, 9/4/80)
4. NWA World Champion Shoehi "Giant" Baba vs. Harley Race (Race wins title, 11:58, 9/10/80)
5. NWA World Champion Harley Race vs. Mil Mascaras ( 9/12/80)

Disc Four

1. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Jumbo Tsuruta in a best two out of three falls match (10/9/81)
2. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat (16:21, 6/4/82)
3. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Jumbo Tsuruta (6/8/82)
4. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Kabuki (12/12/83)

Disc Five

1. NWA World Champion Kerry Von Erich vs. Jumbo Tsuruta in a best two out of three falls match (5/22/84)
2. NWA World Champion Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair in a best two out of three falls match (Flair wins title, 26:34, 5/24/84)
3. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Jumbo Tsuruta (4/24/85)
4. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. AWA World Champion Rick Martel (10/21/85)

Disc Six

1. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Yoshiaki Yatsu (3/7/87)
2. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Hiroshi Wajima (3/12/87)
3. NWA World Champion Ric Flair vs. Jumbo Tsuruta (5/10/87)
4. NWA World Champion Ricky Steamboat vs. Tiger Mask (13:47, 3/8/89)

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For $30 that is a lot of shit.

[Speilmen230]

I love me some Mutoh (Great Muta). The guy can tell a story in the ring.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://nodq.com/wwe/323905442.shtml

[BotheDMBFan]

Why no Kenta Kobashi and Misawa matches?

[Rodey]

Just read Smackdown spoilers for tonight.

Meeeeeeeeeeeh.

[gocubsgo3822]

is it possible that Cena is already a heel ala bret hart?

[Speilmen230]

I could somewhat agree with that. In the 90's Bret was soooo vanilla, that the fans turned on him. The US fans embraced the heel like attitude of HBK/SCSA (ala CM Punk), and they hated the super face nature of Bret. The Canadians were loyal to Bret, (ala John Cena).

[JacobLovesYou]

The difference is that you'll never get an arena that pure pro Cena. He got booed non stop in Boston a few weeks ago.

I finally just watched RAW from this week. King said like 7 words in 2 hours and I didn't miss him at all. I don't know id he was sick or just couldn't get a word in with Booker out there, but he might as well have stayed backstage.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Lawler lost his voice.

[JacobLovesYou]

Makes sense

[Rodey]

I bought WWE '12 last night. I really enjoy it so far. The gameplay is a lot better this year than it was in last year's game.

[BotheDMBFan]

If Road to Wrestlemania wasn't so shitty, I'd love this game.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10021999.shtml

[bartender_man]

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10021999.shtml

Love that Punk goes off on the Rock in that. I want Punk Vs Rock at Mania instead.

[Rodey]

If Road to Wrestlemania wasn't so shitty, I'd love this game.

I like the storyline of the Sheamus one so far. Hell, it's better than anything they've written in real life lately. :lol

My only quarrel with it is that there's too many cutscenes that you just worked towards and the outcomes are pretty much pre-determined and what you do doesn't have consequences like last year's game. My problem with RTWM last year was not enough cutscenes, this year, too many. :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

There aren't enough different story modes is my main problem.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE has announced the return of the Piper's Pit segment with WWE Hall of Famer Roddy Piper on Monday's Raw episode.

WWE's top star, John Cena, will be the guest on Piper's Pit, which WWE says will open the show.

Already announced for Raw is WWE champion C.M. Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio for the WWE Title.

Source: PWTorch

[Speilmen230]

kind of excited about tomorrows raw. Title Match should be good if they actually let them wrestle.

[bartender_man]

kind of excited about tomorrows raw. Title Match should be good if they actually let them wrestle.

Someone will interfere I'm sure

[Speilmen230]

Miz... i'm calling it 100%

[Speilmen230]

WWE Signs Lingerie Football Player, More on Booker vs Rhodes
byNick Paglino
November 27, 2011

WWE Signs Lingerie Football Player

Guyism.com is reporting that WWE has signed Lingerie Football League player Danielle Moinet to a developmental deal, and she made her FCW debut at a live event last week. The article notes that Moinet is Puerto Rican born, and you can check out a video clip of her if you click on the above link.
More on Booker vs Rhodes

WWE.com has posted a new video interview with Booker T where he furthers the feud with Cody Rhodes which began on Raw last week. Booker T talks about how he has no beef with Cody, and says he has no plans to get in the ring with the IC Champ. You can check out the video if you CLICK HERE.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Most pointless opening segment ever?

[Rodey]

Piper killed that. Cena was terrible as always.

[BotheDMBFan]

I love what Cena is doing. He's giving internet whiners the most subtle, amazing "Fuck you" ever.

[Nick11dx]

so I'm thinking what they are starting to do with cena is build him up to heel but not fully turn him, so they don't have two faces come wrestlemania

[BotheDMBFan]

One of the worst title match Raws ever.

[CrashDMB237]

Most pointless opening segment ever?

Piper was awesome. The more of this, the better.

[Rodey]

One of the worst title match Raws ever.

I thought it was well executed, just stupid writing.

[JacobLovesYou]

Piper killed it. it was a whole hell of a lot better then This is Your Life from a few weeks ago IMO

[BotheDMBFan]

I meant the whole show, awful.

[bartender_man]

so I'm thinking what they are starting to do with cena is build him up to heel but not fully turn him, so they don't have two faces come wrestlemania

It don't matter if Cena is face or heel- the crowd will boo the hell out of him regardless

[YankeesDMB41]

Monda(Y) (J)anuary (2)nd....hes coming!

[CrashDMB237]

I'm thinking Undertaker. Whatever the kid is reading in the video sounds very Undertaker-ish and the "it begins" to me sounds like the quest for 20-0 at Wrestlemania beginning.

[YankeesDMB41]

I'm thinking Undertaker. Whatever the kid is reading in the video sounds very Undertaker-ish and the "it begins" to me sounds like the quest for 20-0 at Wrestlemania beginning.

im so done with him, he had one match and leaves for 10 months...he better retire after this years

[bartender_man]

Monda(Y) (J)anuary (2)nd....hes coming!

I thought he was heading to Europe to tour with his band

[K3nTaKa0s]

It's not Jericho. Come on. lol.

[YankeesDMB41]

I thought he was heading to Europe to tour with his band

fuck fozzy, when wrestlers write that something will not happen on their twitter, it usually happens...ex Punk at the cubs game when he returned to raw

[CrashDMB237]

It's not Jericho. Come on. lol.

I don't know why you're acting like it's so out of this world. If I remember correctly, Jericho was recently working on a deal to come back to the WWE.

[hbktonyb]

I think it is 'Taker, but I think the only 2 people it could be is Jericho or Taker. Who else would they hype a return like this for?

[BotheDMBFan]

It's Mike Adamle.

[BotheDMBFan]

fuck fozzy, when wrestlers write that something will not happen on their twitter, it usually happens...ex Punk at the cubs game when he returned to raw

He came back the week after, though.

[BotheDMBFan]

im so done with him, he had one match and leaves for 10 months...he better retire after this years

Because he got injured, badly. He came back way too soon for WM, and hurt himself. His plan is to retire after this year's match, not gonna be shocked when it's him v Kane, with it also being Glen's last match.

[JacobLovesYou]

Id like to see that match as the last. Undertaker shouldn't have to put anyone over, he should retire 20-0. If he put someone over it wouldn't go well anyway. Make it Kane v Taker casket match.

[BotheDMBFan]

Nah, Kane v Taker just by itself is great. Taker wins, then they both get to have their moment in the sun together.

[JacobLovesYou]

Yeah but its pretty evident that they're bringing kane back as a monster heel, so depending on the program Idk if the "shake hands afterwards" happens or not. I'm all for Taker facing a true heel this year for his last match. The crowd shouldn't be split like the last few years if its his last match.

[BotheDMBFan]

It'll be Kane's last match too. I'm sure with the amount of Smarks flooding the place, that everyone will know.

[kingchrisII]

Too dark to be Jericho... has to be Taker... If its not taker its Vince McMahon...

[BotheDMBFan]

The throwing of the present was one of the funniest things ever. That needs to be a .gif asap.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Maybe it's Skip Sheffield.

[BotheDMBFan]

Mike Adamle, I'm telling ya.

Or with how much their pushing Brodus back, him.

[JacobLovesYou]

:lol it was funny, even orton started laughing

[BotheDMBFan]

That was the first time I've seen Orton happy in about 6 months.

[JacobLovesYou]

Pretty weak WHC cage main event. I was anticipating a much longer & better match. I know Sexual Chocolate isn't as versatile as Daniel Bryan, but I still expected more.

[BotheDMBFan]

I thought it was great. Having a commercial take up half of it blew, though.

[hbktonyb]

Kane vs. Taker would suck.

[bartender_man]

Kane vs. Taker would suck.

Why? It's very fitting for his last match

[hbktonyb]

Seen it a million times. Boring.

[K3nTaKa0s]

- Monday's edition of WWE Monday Night Raw scored a 3.2 rating, with 4,483,000 viewers. It what has become a regular trend, the show dropped in hour two. The first hour did a 3.33 rating and hour two did a 3.07 rating. .

Source: PWInsider

[Speilmen230]

Seen it a million times. Boring.

actually we have only seen it twice at WM. Although their match at WM 14 was a million times better than their match at WM 20.

I hate to say it, but at this point in his career, Taker needs someone to carry him in his matches. Haitch and HBK have done that the last 3 years. I don't see Kane/Taker 3 being a very good last match.

[hbktonyb]

Haha only twice at Mania!? :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Undertaker needs to put over Ziggler at Wrestlemania and call it a career.

[BotheDMBFan]

actually we have only seen it twice at WM. Although their match at WM 14 was a million times better than their match at WM 20.

I hate to say it, but at this point in his career, Taker needs someone to carry him in his matches. Haitch and HBK have done that the last 3 years. I don't see Kane/Taker 3 being a very good last match.

The moment would trump the match, with both guys retiring and all.

[Rodey]

Undertaker needs to put over Ziggler at Wrestlemania and call it a career.

This is one of the smartest things you've ever said in regards to the 'E.

[CrashDMB237]

If you think Taker is putting ANYONE over at WM you're horribly mistaken.

[Rodey]

If you think Taker is putting ANYONE over at WM you're horribly mistaken.

Don't think anyone thinks he is, but he should.

[CrashDMB237]

There's no one in the WWE right now minus Punk and of course Cena that deserve the noteriety of being the guy that Taker puts over at WrestleMania, where he's undefeated, keeping him from 20-0. Dolph? Love him, but no way. If it was going to be anyone, it should have been HBK.

[Rodey]

The Undertaker's WM streak is one of the dumbest, most overhyped things of all-time.

[jaking1185]

The Undertaker's WM streak is one of the dumbest, most overhyped things of all-time.

Yeah. He's undefeated in a scripted event where the outcome is decided ahead of time.

Wow what a competitor. :rolleyes

[CrashDMB237]

Doesn't matter how stupid it is really, it's a storyline, probably the ONLY lasting storyline the Undertaker will ever have. If he goes 19-1, what do they talk about 10 years from now when they look back at the Undertaker? He's far too important to the history of this company to not give him some sort of distinction. Shawn is Mr. WrestleMania. Stone Cold is the rebel. The Rock is the entertainer. Cena is the hero. What is Undertaker?

[Rodey]

The Deadman?

[CrashDMB237]

Yea but what's his lore? The immortal... except for that one time? It's all built in to the character.

[YankeesDMB41]

just read JRs new blog....basically gives away who the January 2nd return, no surprise that I was completly wrong haha

http://www.jrsbarbq.com/blog/punk-cena-villain-jr-retiring-warrior-wwe-hof-streak-john-morrison-order-jrs-today-holidays

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah. He's undefeated in a scripted event where the outcome is decided ahead of time.

Wow what a competitor. :rolleyes

Right, and he's the only person they have deemed worthy to have won at said BIGGEST SCRIPTED EVENT THE COMPANY HAS 19 times in a row, going on 20. It's a big deal for the story.

Undertaker is the Jack McCoy of Wrestlemania.

[Rodey]

Goldberg's Streak > Taker's Streak

[BotheDMBFan]

And Goldberg's streak is fucking amazing. Taker's being longer years wise is more impressive.

[jaking1185]

Right, and he's the only person they have deemed worthy to have won at said BIGGEST SCRIPTED EVENT THE COMPANY HAS 19 times in a row, going on 20. It's a big deal for the story.

Undertaker is the Jack McCoy of Wrestlemania.

I understand the aura of it. I find it impressive that he has been healthy and enough of a big draw to keep that streak going for 20 years.

But I am sure there are some wrestling fans, like the "It's real to me, damnit!!" guy, who think the streak is as impressive as Ripken's or Favre's. That's where I draw the line.

[Rodey]

And Goldberg's streak is fucking amazing. Taker's being longer years wise is more impressive.

Taker's streak has just gotten stale and boring. It should have ended years ago. There's nothing remotely exciting about a guy coming around once a year and winning a match at the flagship PPV and then disappearing for the rest of the year.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Gg3OvEgDLs#!

[YankeesDMB41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Gg3OvEgDLs#!

this is actually a breath of fresh air, he looks and sounds coherent and well

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE's Vengeance pay-per-view event on October 23, 2011 garnered 130,000 buys overall. The event had 70,000 in North America and 60,000 overseas.

With the exception of the famous "December To Dismember" pay-per-view event in 2006, Vengeance is the lowest-selling domestic pay-per-view event in WWE history. This is dating back to the infancy of pay-per-view in the 1980's. The ECW branded "December To Dismember" PPV drew 55,000 buys in North America.
..

[Rodey]

WWE's Vengeance pay-per-view event on October 23, 2011 garnered 130,000 buys overall. The event had 70,000 in North America and 60,000 overseas.

With the exception of the famous "December To Dismember" pay-per-view event in 2006, Vengeance is the lowest-selling domestic pay-per-view event in WWE history. This is dating back to the infancy of pay-per-view in the 1980's. The ECW branded "December To Dismember" PPV drew 55,000 buys in North America.
..

Not surprising in the least bit considering it was what, three weeks after Hell in a Cell? It was doomed from the start, at least in terms of buy numbers.

[Speilmen230]

and yet they still made 6.5 million dollars just in pay per view buys.


Anyone know what TNA's buyrates are?

[JacobLovesYou]

Yeah 3 ppvs in a month was a joke. They should've spaced HiaC & Vengeance normally and given NoC away for free on a Friday night on NBC.

[Speilmen230]

Yeah 3 ppvs in a month was a joke. They should've spaced HiaC & Vengeance normally and given NoC away for free on a Friday night on NBC.

I have always said that they need to do away with 2 PPV's and have SNME and another SuperShow and make them Big events similar to PPV Title matches and such.

[DoDaFoo]

I've hated Undertakers WM streak for years and will be very disappointed if he retires with it intact. He has put on amazing matches at WM, especially the last 3 years working with HBK and HHH, but it seems pointless for him not to put someone over and end the streak when he retires.

[gocubsgo3822]

I am not ashamed to say that I mark out for undertaker.. keep his streak alive please...

[Speilmen230]

I've hated Undertakers WM streak for years and will be very disappointed if he retires with it intact. He has put on amazing matches at WM, especially the last 3 years working with HBK and HHH, but it seems pointless for him not to put someone over and end the streak when he retires.

You honestly think the WWE isn't going to bank in on all the possibly money to be made from 20-0 merchandise? all 20 matches in a DVD set, T-Shirts, Toys, ect. ect.

[BotheDMBFan]

Taker's streak has just gotten stale and boring. It should have ended years ago. There's nothing remotely exciting about a guy coming around once a year and winning a match at the flagship PPV and then disappearing for the rest of the year.

Even though it's been match of the night the past three years, at least...mostly because of it being "the" match.

[Crush086]

I've hated Undertakers WM streak for years and will be very disappointed if he retires with it intact. He has put on amazing matches at WM, especially the last 3 years working with HBK and HHH, but it seems pointless for him not to put someone over and end the streak when he retires.
You gotta consider that while putting a guy over at WM would be a good notion, these same guys can get over during the weekly shows and other PPVs. However, Taker losing would forever put that blemish of x-1 on the record.

I don't care for the record myself since the deadman is very near his last days I'm guessing, as long as he puts on a good match I could care less whether he goes 20-0 or 19-1.

[BotheDMBFan]

The time for him losing the streak is pretty much over. He wanted to do it for a few years, just no one was in the right place for it.

[JacobLovesYou]

There's still nobody in place for it. The time to do it was several years ago. If Taker put someone over now it would backfire. The better idea in my mind is to find a young company guy who is already undefeated at WM or hasn't wrestled at WM yet and build a new, unmentioned streak with him for 7 or 8 years and see where his career is at and whether or not you want to make it a storyline or bury it. I don't think anyone will ever have the longevity to beat 20, but you could make it someones goal. I like the idea of the streak being like DiMaggios 56 streak. This idea would work great if they'd ended the streak at like 12 when they should've.

[BotheDMBFan]

Edge was the only legit option, and he didn't need it anymore at that point.

[JacobLovesYou]

yeah i dont know who or at what wrestlemania, just that the time has come and gone in general

[gocubsgo3822]

Wow watching 2003 tribute for the troops from baghdad.. Cena was such a turrible turrible turrible rapper...

How did he ever catch on

[Rodey]

I would mark for an Austin vs. Taker WM match and have Austin end the streak. He's probably the biggest seller in WWE history and he'd be a great guy to end the streak in my opinion. It'll never happen though.

[Speilmen230]

Ending the streak is the biggest accomplishment in the company and no one is worthy of it nor will they do it.

[Rodey]

Ending the streak is the biggest accomplishment in the company and no one is worthy of it nor will they do it.

On the current roster? Yes, I would probably agree.

However, there are plenty of other guys bigger and better than Taker that they could bring back to break the streak. I think you almost have to end it at some point, otherwise it won't be fair to Taker down the road. If he still has the undefeated streak hanging over his head, he's going to feel obligated to come back and defend it, especially if 'E is hurting for a storyline going into a Mania.

[YankeesDMB41]

On the current roster? Yes, I would probably agree.

However, there are plenty of other guys bigger and better than Taker that they could bring back to break the streak. I think you almost have to end it at some point, otherwise it won't be fair to Taker down the road. If he still has the undefeated streak hanging over his head, he's going to feel obligated to come back and defend it, especially if 'E is hurting for a storyline going into a Mania.

This is why i firmly believe that Kane, on his third attempt, will end the streak this year. It adds to Kane's legacy, who is really only remembered for his Royal Rumble dominance, and puts a definite end to Takers career. Kane's been a loyal member of the company for the last 17 years and deserves it

[bartender_man]

This is why i firmly believe that Kane, on his third attempt, will end the streak this year. It adds to Kane's legacy, who is really only remembered for his Royal Rumble dominance, and puts a definite end to Takers career. Kane's been a loyal member of the company for the last 17 years and deserves it

I personally would like to see Kane come back at the Rumble, win that, and take on Cm Punk. A masked Kane vs Punk for the title would be badass.

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Kane, one of the best and most selfless workers of all time.

[hbktonyb]

What is with all this Kane love lol. He should NOT end the streak or be in a Mania title match. Jeez.

There is only one guy worth of it not named HBK. It's Punk.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm just saying I love Kane. He won't end the streak though, he turned that down years ago.

[JacobLovesYou]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22537/-crossface-looks-at-wwe-s-chris-benoit

[Speilmen230]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22537/-crossface-looks-at-wwe-s-chris-benoit

If done right, that could be one of the most emotional and heart wrenching movies of all time.

[YankeesDMB41]

for some reason ill be watching it as a romantic comedy

[jackisback24]

Watched Bret and Shawn dvd. Compelling. Worth watching.

So I have a buddy that's a newspaper guy and on WWE mailing list. He just sent me an early Christmas gift. A bunch of DVDs including Ladder Matches 2, Crash and Burn; Jericho, Breaking the Code; Shawn vs. Bret Rivalry (already had it but oh well); Stone Cold 4 disc; Wrestlemania story; Greatest stars of 21st Century; and maybe one or two others. I'm like...wow.

[CrashDMB237]

Shawn and Bret was a very good DVD. The most recent Stone Cold DVD was AMAZING for anyone who grew up in the Attitude Era. Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak and Triumph might be the best.

[DMBzilla]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/22537/-crossface-looks-at-wwe-s-chris-benoit

Coincidentally, screenwriter Sarah Coulter is a friend of mine and a member of Ants.

[AndySlash]

perhaps you can invite her into this thread. my first question would be to ask why they chose the worst written book on the subject to base this movie on.

[JacobLovesYou]

Any word on anything for tonight?

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4d92654bb9150

[Rodey]

Great start to the show! ADR, Dolph, Miz!

[jackisback24]

Coincidentally, screenwriter Sarah Coulter is a friend of mine and a member of Ants.
what's her Username? I liked the book...touchy subject though.

[jackisback24]

Lillian Garcia coming back.

[BotheDMBFan]

WHY?! Lillian Garcia was ugly, annoying, and sounded like a skinned cat, both when ring announcing and "singing".

[Rodey]

Cena vs. Ryder tonight!

[Rodey]

ADR vs. Bryan, this could be good. Raw has been great so far.

[jackisback24]

I don't get it. Where are all the Zack Ryder smarks in this thread? 3 months ago you jabronis were begging for him to get TV time. Now he gets time and u geeks are playing Playstation. He finally made it!!! You Adrianne!!!


Slammys next week.

Cena about to laugh there.

[jaking1185]

I don't get it. Where are all the Zack Ryder smarks in this thread? 3 months ago you jabronis were begging for him to get TV time. Now he gets time and u geeks are playing Playstation. He finally made it!!! You Adrianne!!!


Slammys next week.

Cena about to laugh there.

Maybe they realized that he really isn't that good?;)

[BotheDMBFan]

Ryder owns, I mostly just talk on Skype and AIM during Raw now.

[bradshaw06]

ryder against nash?

lol, bad guess, its sexual chocolate.

[jackisback24]

Ryder owns, I mostly just talk on Skype and AIM during Raw now.
You slick hipster you. Can I join the cool club?

[ProphetofJit]

Really thought it would have been Nash and Haitch would cause Ryder to win ...... oops

[jackisback24]

Taker beats Henry at Mania. Yawn.

[jackisback24]

Way to bury Henry.

[ProphetofJit]

Interesting ....... but I'll take it.

[jackisback24]

Did anyone hear how Vince freaked when seeing Zack's shirt with the word spike on it? True story. The Sin Cara shirt recall is friggin hilarious though cause of the penis.

Ryder has a massive crown.

[ProphetofJit]

Did anyone hear how Vince freaked when seeing Zack's shirt with the word spike on it? True story. The Sin Cara shirt recall is friggin hilarious though cause of the penis.

Ryder has a massive crown.

Heard about the Ryder shirt, not about the Sin Cara shirt though .... Vince is literally losing his mind.

[jackisback24]

Heard about the Ryder shirt, not about the Sin Cara shirt though .... Vince is literally losing his mind.

if you google the Cara story you'll see the penis. Don't know who put that one together.

I guess a Punk DVD will be coming in the spring. I pray he writes a book.

[BotheDMBFan]

You slick hipster you. Can I join the cool club?

I shower, I am certainly not a hipster.

You sure can. What's your AIM name?

[BotheDMBFan]

if you google the Cara story you'll see the penis. Don't know who put that one together.

I guess a Punk DVD will be coming in the spring. I pray he writes a book.

He's writing a book now. "Writing" a book.

[jackisback24]

He's writing a book now. "Writing" a book.
I don't get it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Basically, outlining the story and having someone else write it...like half of those books are.

[jackisback24]

Santino is the 21st century of George Steele.

Nash looks like Savage w/the beard.

[jackisback24]

I wonder if Punk was telling Bourne to stay straight.

[Rodey]

Ryder is awesome. This thread sucks now during the shows.

[Speilmen230]

So what happened to Alex Riley?

[JacobLovesYou]

Tonights RAW was good