Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Speilmen230]

If you say it's because of your destiny I swear to jebus I'm gonna start drinking.

:lol :lol :lol i love it.

[bartender_man]

If you say it's because of your destiny I swear to jebus I'm gonna start drinking.

:lol :lol :lol i love it.


Yeah that was funny. Hardly excited for this coming PPV though. They need to cut down on the ppv's, everything is so rushed now. 7 a year- I can handle like before.

[bartender_man]

So what happened to Alex Riley?

He's a bum

[crush0617]

I wonder if Punk was telling Bourne to stay straight.
Maybe he was talking about when he signed his wwe contract on the ROH title.. although I doubt it

[Rodey]

If you say it's because of your destiny I swear to jebus I'm gonna start drinking.

:lol :lol :lol i love it.

That was the best line Punk has said in weeks. Other than that, he's been incredibly stale lately.

[CrashDMB237]

Totally convinced the whole cryptic video thing is Jericho.

[Speilmen230]

Undertaker.

I'm saying him because the message was look within. So I take that as look within the company for whose retiring, not outside.

[JacobLovesYou]

in my mind, the ONLY thing that lends credence to it being Jericho is that you're supposed to think it's Undertaker. having said that, its gotta be Undertaker. and i think the fact that they're doing Taker and Kane comeback vignettes at the same time could be telling.

[Nick11dx]

I was thinking if its Undertaker and Kane at Wrestlemania with a buried alive match, somehow they both get buried alive and its how they "retire"

[Speilmen230]

they won't have taker go 19-0-1.

[bartender_man]

they won't have taker go 19-0-1.

Yeah Taker wins his last match at mania whether it's against Kane or not

[bartender_man]

That was the best line Punk has said in weeks. Other than that, he's been incredibly stale lately.

I also think it's the way WWE is using him. That has something to do with it.

[Speilmen230]

Taker goes 20-0 and gets the big send-off. That IMO is literally the only way it can go.

[Speilmen230]

I think if they wanted to really milk out Taker's career they will do the Hall of Fame like this:

Wrestlemania 28: The Rock & Mick Foley

Wrestlemania 29: Triple H & Edge

Wrestlemania 30: The Undertaker

[Rodey]

Taker goes 20-0 and gets the big send-off. That IMO is literally the only way it can go.

I just think him walking away undefeated leaves him open to being summoned back by Vince forever if they need to throw something together last minute. Not to mention, his character would get torn apart for "being too scared to come defend his streak" year after year by guys. I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing, but I think walking away undefeated actually tarnishes his character more than anything.

He should have lost to HBK.

[Speilmen230]

So Zach Ryder gets a push and the following are seemingly put on the backburner:

Alex Riley
Drew McIntyre

I don't understand WWE Logic. Zack Ryder is a solid talent, with good charisma, but there is no reason to let two guys go down hill. And yes i 100% think that he has taken their respective spots.

[Speilmen230]

I just think him walking away undefeated leaves him open to being summoned back by Vince forever if they need to throw something together last minute. Not to mention, his character would get torn apart for "being too scared to come defend his streak" year after year by guys. I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing, but I think walking away undefeated actually tarnishes his character more than anything.

He should have lost to HBK.

I disagree. I think that WWE will put him on the highest pedestal, and will not tarnish his character or his streak. In WWE behind the scenes he will go down as their most loyal and reliable guy to ever work for the company. He and HHH are the only guys who really never left.

[Rodey]

So Zach Ryder gets a push and the following are seemingly put on the backburner:

Alex Riley
Drew McIntyre

I don't understand WWE Logic. Zack Ryder is a solid talent, with good charisma, but there is no reason to let two guys go down hill. And yes i 100% think that he has taken their respective spots.

I'm indifferent to McIntyre, but I don't understand the disappearance of Riley. They were pushing the guy to the moon for awhile there and out of nowhere, poof. Some of the moves they make, make absolutely no sense. That said, Ryder does deserve what he's getting. For a guy that was a laughing stock to most people, he's proven a lot of people wrong. For once, last night, I actually thought a Cena match was pretty solid. Ryder definitely looked pretty good.

I disagree. I think that WWE will put him on the highest pedestal, and will not tarnish his character or his streak. In WWE behind the scenes he will go down as their most loyal and reliable guy to ever work for the company. He and HHH are the only guys who really never left.

I just don't like a guy walking away forever with a massive undefeated streak intact. It just leaves the door open and doesn't give you a sense of closure really. I don't think one loss would kill the WM reputation he's built if it was against a legend that they brought back for a special match.

Also, Austin never really left either.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Raw on Monday, December 5 scored a 2.97 rating, down ten percent compared to last week's show. Raw slipped below the 3.00 mark for the first time in four weeks and third time in the past eleven weeks.

Source: PWTorch

--------

TNA has sent Anarquia and Rob Terry to Ohio Valley Wrestling for developmental work. The two are scheduled for matches at Tuesday's OVW show in New London, Indiana.

Source: PWTorch

[K3nTaKa0s]

So Zach Ryder gets a push and the following are seemingly put on the backburner:

Alex Riley
Drew McIntyre

I don't understand WWE Logic. Zack Ryder is a solid talent, with good charisma, but there is no reason to let two guys go down hill. And yes i 100% think that he has taken their respective spots.

Ryder was on television way too much last night.

[CrashDMB237]

Ryder was on television way too much last night.

You never answered why it was so ridiculous to think Jericho is the guy all these cryptic videos are about.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Jericho sucks. I would hope they wouldn't put together video packages for his return. Last time he wrestled, it was ugly.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cryptic video is Mike Adamle.

Punk feels stale because working off of Del Rio didn't work. Del Rio needs a major makeover.

Taker shouldn't lose at WM.

I'm all set and ready for Dolph v Punk at WM for the WWE title.

[YankeesDMB41]

for the record, Kane has been a loyal respected company man since 1995. Kane needs something big for his legacy, HBK and HHH didn't. No one agrees, but i think we see Kane Undertaker III with Kane winning clean "killing" his brother and giving him a few more years of glory before he retires

[hbktonyb]

I don't think Taker is retiring at this Mania. This 'Mania is all about Cena/Rock. When Taker retires, he will and should be the last match at Mania.

[BotheDMBFan]

Taker's body is saying "no" for this year's Mania. I agree that Taker should go on last for his last Mania...he should go on last at every Mania, frankly.

Without doubt in my mind the greatest big man of all time, and probably just the greatest of all time in general.

[justinandimcool]

I think Ryder and Ziggler are the best booked program right now.

Punk isn't stale, it's just literally impossible to carry Del Rio promo-wise. The matches make up for it though. The addition of Miz ideally would make it more interesting but he wasn't impressive at all last night.

[Speilmen230]

Del Rio is beyond stale. Rodey, you have to admit that he has not evolved even in the slightest. His promos haven't changed at all for the last year. He is solid in the ring, but his promos are so boring and stale.

[jackisback24]

Del Rio is beyond stale. Rodey, you have to admit that he has not evolved even in the slightest. His promos haven't changed at all for the last year. He is solid in the ring, but his promos are so boring and stale.

The thing about Del Rio that folks have to understand is that this is a guy who wore a mask in Mexico for years and was not known for his personality. He was regarded as shy, believe it or not. And somehow, miraculously he showed a personality in FCW. He isn't great at speaking English, but the fact he has that much charisma is incredible when you look at his roots.

[Speilmen230]

that shouldn't matter. He should be good enough to hang with the big boys if he is gonna be holding the Championship.

[Rodey]

Del Rio is beyond stale. Rodey, you have to admit that he has not evolved even in the slightest. His promos haven't changed at all for the last year. He is solid in the ring, but his promos are so boring and stale.

You're acting like Punk is any different. His promos haven't changed since MITB. They're incredibly predictable. Ice cream bars, random 80s reference poking fun at Laurinaitis, best in the world.

Not saying it's completely his fault, the writing has been suffering in general, but Punk hasn't been great either.

[BotheDMBFan]

Because Punk has nothing to work off of. HHH ruins shit yet again.

[CrashDMB237]

Jericho sucks. I would hope they wouldn't put together video packages for his return. Last time he wrestled, it was ugly.

If it's a Jericho return and they go Jericho/Punk... the promos cut leading up to whatever PPV that match takes place at would be unreal.

Also, Cena has to work his way into this TLC main event. Special guest referee? Heel turn?

[gocubsgo3822]

I am going to TLC!!!!!!

[Crush086]

I am going to TLC!!!!!!
Make sure you tell us how bad the HHH/Nash match is in person lol

[davidhamrick10]

anybody seen a presale password for Royal Rumble?

[gocubsgo3822]

Make sure you tell us how bad the HHH/Nash match is in person lol

I am sure it is going to be turrible..

So we have

Miz, Punk, Delrio

Ziggler, Ryder

Barrett, Orton

What else?

[hbktonyb]

Cener gonna have to face someone

[CrashDMB237]

Cener gonna have to face someone

I'm tellin ya... he's gonna work his way into that triple threat. Guest referee, then a heel turn... it's too easy.

[Rodey]

Cena is not going to turn heel. I've lost all hope.

[gocubsgo3822]

No reason to turn him heel. That isnt him. They can maybe do a bret hart thing which they are already doing. no reason to make hima bad guy

[Speilmen230]

You're acting like Punk is any different. His promos haven't changed since MITB. They're incredibly predictable. Ice cream bars, random 80s reference poking fun at Laurinaitis, best in the world.

Not saying it's completely his fault, the writing has been suffering in general, but Punk hasn't been great either.

His character is still relatively fresh to the audience though. And i 100% agree with Bo that not being able to work off someone more interesting is hurting him. Del Rio is a 1 dimensional mexican JBL when it comes to character. Carrying someone in the ring is completely different than carrying someone on the mic. You gotta carry them so they don't look like shit. Punk was way more interesting when he had Cena & Vince to play off of because they were much more interesting characters.

[Rodey]

The biggest problem with the handling of ADR so far is that they don't play up his aristocratic gimmick enough. It's like just there as a smoke screen. His promo's should reflect his status as a rich arrogant bastard, but they don't. I don't necessarily blame him for that, that's the 'E's poor handling of his character. His work should be more DiBiase Sr. than anything. He should be paying people off, bribing refs, etc.

[Speilmen230]

The biggest problem with the handling of ADR so far is that they don't play up his aristocratic gimmick enough. It's like just there as a smoke screen. His promo's should reflect his status as a rich arrogant bastard, but they don't. I don't necessarily blame him for that, that's the 'E's poor handling of his character. His work should be more DiBiase Sr. than anything. He should be paying people off, bribing refs, etc.

I could 100% get behind him being a rich mob like guy. I think that was the idea behind Brodus, but that failed epically.

He desperately needs something though. They should show him backstage working his magic, and smooth talking with guys to do his dirty work or insinuate that he is paying off people to do his dirty work.

[Rodey]

I could 100% get behind him being a rich mob like guy. I think that was the idea behind Brodus, but that failed epically.

He desperately needs something though. They should show him backstage working his magic, and smooth talking with guys to do his dirty work or insinuate that he is paying off people to do his dirty work.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

I like that idea a lot. I love Del Rio, but I'm not going to deny the fact that he's been disappointing on the mic recently. I have to wonder if they're still holding him back on the mic because of the language barrier, but that would be pretty weak of them.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBPjxbtimX0

[gtu100]

I am going to TLC!!!!!!

So am I. I just didn't know it was going to be Old Timers Day at the WWE.

[BotheDMBFan]

:thumbsup:thumbsup

I like that idea a lot. I love Del Rio, but I'm not going to deny the fact that he's been disappointing on the mic recently. I have to wonder if they're still holding him back on the mic because of the language barrier, but that would be pretty weak of them.

Del Rio, much like Sammy Sosa, speaks WAY better English than he gets credit for.

[JacobLovesYou]

I like the ADR ideas you guys are saying and I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Bella twins on a regular basis to make him seem suave to the kiddies and insinuate that hes banging both of them to the adults.

[Rodey]

I like the ADR ideas you guys are saying and I wouldn't mind seeing him with the Bella twins on a regular basis to make him seem suave to the kiddies and insinuate that hes banging both of them to the adults.

I think Maryse would have been perfect with ADR, but they released her. I agree though, they need to play up the Bella's with him. There's so many obvious directions they should go with Del Rio, but for some reason, they're not.

[Speilmen230]

It's because it's the E, and they have logic that sucks a lot of the time.

[davidhamrick10]

I posted this on the last page but does anyone know the presale password for Royal Rumble?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I posted this on the last page but does anyone know the presale password for Royal Rumble?

Champ

..........

[gocubsgo3822]

I would rather watch Nash in a ladder match than this TNA bullshit. This is so bad

[K3nTaKa0s]

I would rather watch Nash in a ladder match than this TNA bullshit. This is so bad

What was wrong with it?

[Speilmen230]

Kevin Nash and Triple H in a ladder match just sounds like an awful idea. Someone is going to get hurt, bad.

I foresee a blown quad. Both have terrible legs.

[JacobLovesYou]

the concept of getting the sledgehammer makes sense, but i dont want a bastardized ladder match to ruin the whole thing. i'm definitely interested to see what happens. could be ok, could be a trainwreck, could come off as kind of sad.

[Pablo23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBPjxbtimX0

This is way better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezn6IFMwX5U&feature=related

[jackisback24]

TNA coming to Plymouth MA in January. 30 min from my house. Flair on the card. Whooo. $20 for cheap seats.

[ProphetofJit]

TNA coming to Plymouth MA in January. 30 min from my house. Flair on the card. Whooo. $20 for cheap seats.

It's TNA .... aren't they all cheap seats ???

[bartender_man]

TNA coming to Plymouth MA in January. 30 min from my house. Flair on the card. Whooo. $20 for cheap seats.


That guy has to be over 70 years old now, pathetic... :rolleyes

[davidhamrick10]

Got my Rumble Tickets!!!!! Section 107 front row

[jackisback24]

That guy has to be over 70 years old now, pathetic... :rolleyes
Diamonds are forever...and so is Ric Flair. Whooooo!

[jackisback24]

It's TNA .... aren't they all cheap seats ???
I think $45 are the pricey ones.

[jackisback24]

If Cena attacks Piper in another Pit, that's the heel turn that is needed. He can wear black at Mania and get booed.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Diamonds are forever...and so is Ric Flair. Whooooo!

Wooooooooo!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

This PPV is a mess. They just showed the same video package twice in a row.

[BotheDMBFan]

Austin Aries match was good until the fucktarded ending.

[gocubsgo3822]

I am so excited for next weeekend!!!!

[jackisback24]

I am so excited for next weeekend!!!!
Brady!!!!!!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

Send me updates from the show. Live WWE is fantastic.

[gocubsgo3822]

I will send you updates. We have good seats too!

[BotheDMBFan]

Where are you sitting? You taking Coker? I think he would cry watching wrestling.

[gocubsgo3822]

Taking my main bitch

[BotheDMBFan]

How excited is she to see this crap? My boss told me last night that I really should stop watching, lol.

[BotheDMBFan]

This is so fucking bad.

[gocubsgo3822]

How excited is she to see this crap? My boss told me last night that I really should stop watching, lol.

she loves wrestling. Specifically randy orton

[BotheDMBFan]

she loves wrestling. Specifically randy orton

I am a fan of your MB.

This is the worst crowd and PPV I have ever seen.

[BotheDMBFan]

Finding out I have cancer would be better than this PPV.

[JacobLovesYou]

Slammys tonight

[K3nTaKa0s]

Finding out I have cancer would be better than this PPV.

If you want to start the shit in here again, that's fine.

[BotheDMBFan]

I try to like TNA, I do. It is just so bad. Angle and Storm looked like they couldn't care less during their match.

[CrashDMB237]

Last night was pathetic. It looked like a bunch of guys collecting a check to me. Awful performances, in ring, on mic, everywhere.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Last night was pathetic. It looked like a bunch of guys collecting a check to me. Awful performances, in ring, on mic, everywhere.

Like who? Did you watch it?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I try to like TNA, I do. It is just so bad. Angle and Storm looked like they couldn't care less during their match.

It was a little sloppy at times, but I wouldn't say that they "couldn't care less."

I thought the match told a good story.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It was a slightly above average PPV. I don't see how it was terrible, by any means. Shows at the Impact Zone are always going to have a minor league feel to them. Hopefully this time next year, that's not an issue anymore.

[crush0617]

It was a slightly above average PPV. I don't see how it was terrible, by any means. Shows at the Impact Zone are always going to have a minor league feel to them. Hopefully this time next year, that's not an issue anymore.

I agree with this 100% they really need to get out of the Impact Zone especially for PPV's. I also think Roode should have won clean tonight. I mean c'mon a draw in the main event of a PPV called Final Resolution...

[CrashDMB237]

I have a feeling tonight we're going to get an answer as to how Cena will be involved in TLC. I'm feeling a heel turn. In a surprising fashion.

[K3nTaKa0s]

PPV on Sunday?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Vince can't pass up an opportunity to embarrass one of the greatest announcers of all-time.

[K3nTaKa0s]

One of these two is not like the other.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Former nWo members reunite!#%

Edit: Where is everybody? The WWE fanboys didn't know this was a three-hour show tonight?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow. No pop for the Road Dogg. Not exactly a surprise, though.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Dynamic Dudes t-shirt? Jesus.

I'm sure Shane Douglas is enjoying it.

Nice to see WWE pulling the NWA/WCW footage out of the woodwork.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Get arrested and end up back on Raw.

At least Kelly Kelly looks great.

[hbktonyb]

fucking love road dogg!


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, you didn't know!??!?!? yo asss bettaa callllllllllllllllllll somebodyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyy

[K3nTaKa0s]

How about when they tried to push Billy Gunn in '97? Man.. was that a total failure. lol.

Is there a bigger ego in the business than Triple H? I think even the WWE guys on here would agree with that.

[hbktonyb]

Nobody has a bigger ego.

I wish they'd bring back Mr. Ass.

I'm an asssss maaaannnnn hahahahaha

[BotheDMBFan]

How about when they tried to push Billy Gunn in '97? Man.. was that a total failure. lol.

Is there a bigger ego in the business than Triple H? I think even the WWE guys on here would agree with that.

If Billy Gunn didn't fuck himself up, he woulda been way bigger.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ehhhhhhh... I'm not so sure.

[hbktonyb]

Best theme song ever.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The crowds then were hot for pretty much anything.

[BotheDMBFan]

Eh, anytime you give a guy King of the Ring, you have plans for him. Not saying he'd be the biggest guy ever, but had he been able to keep up his momentum, he could have been a challenger for the WWF title on a few of the smaller PPVs.

[BotheDMBFan]

Best theme song ever.

Nothing was better than Right to Censor.

Billy and Chuck's owned too. B&C > NAO.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ziggler and Del Rio should switch places.

[Rodey]

Dolph is so good.

[BotheDMBFan]

If this were a legit awards thing, there is no reason Punk wouldn't have won about 3 Slammys tonight.

[BotheDMBFan]

Gotta say, not a fan of when Punk goes with the Black and Green Trunks.

[JacobLovesYou]

Had to start RAW late so I'll probably be absent in the thread tonight. I'm through the first segment, and it was officially the worst thing I've ever seen.

[jackisback24]

Henry has a five head and now Kane has a full head of hair???

[YankeesDMB41]

I just marked out like crazy!!!!!!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

Kane's first mask tonight was the worst thing ever.

[jackisback24]

Is Kane still over?

[BotheDMBFan]

Everyone got into it.

[CrashDMB237]

Kane's first mask tonight was the worst thing ever.

Extremely happy that was only the pregame mask :lol

Other than that, awesome.

[bonzo48280]

so what happened tonight that I heard about wrestling without watching it?

[BotheDMBFan]

Kane returned with the mask, fucked Cenar up.

[Rodey]

Both of Kane's masks sucked, but the first one reminded me of this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xOSA903QNHw/ThyQuqWf6TI/AAAAAAAAAbs/oP-TiciZPCI/s1600/471202.1020.A.jpg

[JacobLovesYou]

You guys are nuts to birch about Kanes mask. Don't forget where his character was during his tag title run with Big Slow. The medal mask was creepy as shit for a pre-mask reveal, and his new mask is at least trying to be monster heel.

[JacobLovesYou]

What the fuck was up with that Undertaker promo with the little kids too?? Assuming 1/2/12 is Taker.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What the fuck was up with that Undertaker promo with the little kids too?? Assuming 1/2/12 is Taker.


Spoilers going around are saying otherwise. Although tonight's video makes me skeptical about the name circulating.

[gocubsgo3822]

So kane cena at TLC?

I jsut finished... How does Cena fit into TLC?

[gocubsgo3822]

Just finished Raw a couple of thoughts:

1. Worst Raw in a long long time. It was just stupid. I would have wanted my money back if i was in attendance. There were two legit matches.

2. If Cena beats kane (if they feud) than kane cant be taken seriously as a super heel

3. Ziggler just cant drop the title to Ryder. I am 100% on the train of Ryder is nowhere near Ziggler in terms of ring work/ mic work. If they want to give him the title they can do that, but he has to win dirty ad Ziggler needs to just say "fuck it i am better than that belt anyway i am coming for you punk"

4. Going to TLC this Sunday. I do not know what to expect Confirmed matches i assume are:

Miz, Punk, Del Rio (WWE)
Henry SHow (WHC)
Ziggler Ryder (US)
Rhodes Booker
Orton Barrett
Kelly Phoenix?

with maybe Cena Kane? I mean that hasnt been announced yet has it?

At this point and time I will go with

Punk, Henry, Ziggler, RHodes, Wade, and Phoenix

and if Cena and Kane fight i will go Kane unless they have the dumbest booking of all time. You cant run those Kane promos and have him come back as a super heel that is going to dominate everything to have him lose. I assume he will beat Cena and Henry will win so that sets up Kane Henry at the Rumble. Give Kane the belt there and have him face Taker at Mania... Which is intriguing since it could be for the title and I dont think they would want to give it to undertaker unless he retired after....

[CrashDMB237]

What the fuck was up with that Undertaker promo with the little kids too?? Assuming 1/2/12 is Taker.

Gonna be Jericho. Just a hunch. I wonder who the "she" is that they were referencing in that promo. Even if it was Taker, I don't think he's EVER been involved with a woman.

[jackisback24]

Gonna be Jericho. Just a hunch. I wonder who the "she" is that they were referencing in that promo. Even if it was Taker, I don't think he's EVER been involved with a woman.


I think the rebirths of Jericho and Taker have run their course by now. Tired of the sabbaticals and then the comebacks. Taker has had like ten of these and Y2J isn't of the Rock echelon where he can pull it off.

Taker could be the storyline with "Sara" as the chick although I highly doubt Sara is involved or anyone with that name. Y2J did say he's done with wrestling but not dancing, so maybe he's the Raw GM and does an angle with Trish or Stephanie??? Maybe Chyna comes back?????

[jackisback24]

WWE Classics on Demand has gone the way of RIP.

[crush0617]

anyone else notice Cole looking at his hand before the rap off.

[Pablo23]

Jericho said he wouldn't be wrestling for quite awhile since his band has a new album coming out.

[hbktonyb]

I have no idea. I saw a theory where it was Shane and Stephanie but I doubt that.

It's gotta be Jericho or Taker.

[hbktonyb]

I was reading that the rumored Mania matches are Punk/Jericho and Taker/Haitch

[K3nTaKa0s]

The three-hour WWE Raw on Monday, December 12 scored a 2.84 rating for all three hours and a 2.98 rating for the standard two hours. Last week's Raw scored a very similar 2.97 rating.

Source: PWTorch

[BotheDMBFan]

PPVs outside of the big 4 may be going away forever, being shown on the Network instead.

[BotheDMBFan]

Forgot Tribute to the Troops was on tonight.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Is there a babyface in either company cutting better promos than James Storm?

[BotheDMBFan]

CM Punk. There you go.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Yeah.. if you like insider references. OMG Dynamic Dudes!#%^!#@^

[Rodey]

Forgot Tribute to the Troops was on tonight.

Did it suck like it usually does?

[BotheDMBFan]

It was shockingly decent this year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah.. if you like insider references. OMG Dynamic Dudes!#%^!#@^

Or just well put together promos. Storm is ok at promos, dare I say above average...he's really not all that great at it though.

[Speilmen230]

Pretty lackluster Raw aside from a few nice segments. Highlights for me were: Road Dogg, CM Punk, Haitch, & Kane.

[CrashDMB237]

Yeah.. if you like insider references. OMG Dynamic Dudes!#%^!#@^

CM Punk is better on the mic and his insider references are more clever than anything anyone is doing in TNA.

[hbktonyb]

There is no argument. CM Punk is the best promo guy around right now.

[Doors Allan Coe]

CM Punk is better on the mic and his insider references are more clever than anything anyone is doing in TNA.

There is no argument. CM Punk is the best promo guy around right now.

:thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

DAC, where have you been man?

[Speilmen230]

Not here. Lol that's for sure.

[BotheDMBFan]

No shit, assblood. That's why I asked.

[Doors Allan Coe]

DAC, where have you been man?

I just haven't watched much wrestling in a ages.

I still work shows occassionally, but I haven't watched ANY wrestling in since the last time I posted in here.

I bought tickets to ROH Final Battle, but I don't think I'm going to end up going. I'm heading to NYC this weekend and I seriously doubt I'm going to end up heading back the night before Christmas Eve. I did that a few years ago and being up until 3-4am on Christmas Ever kind of killed the day. The card looks great though

World Title Match
Davey Richards with Team Richards defends vs. "Die Hard" Eddie Edwards with UFC Hall of Famer Dan "The Beast" Severn

World Tag Team Title Match
Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas defends vs. Jay & Mark Briscoe

World TV Title Match
Jay Lethal defends vs. El Generico vs. "The Prodigy" Mike Bennett with Brutal Bob

Grudge MatchSteve Corino vs. Kevin Steen
*If Steen wins he is reinstated.
**Jimmy Jacobs is the guest referee
***Jim Cornette will be in attendance at ringside

---
It's great to see local guys getting ROH dates. Mike Bennett and Tomasso Chiampa are both awesome local guys who have caught on with ROH. Same for Edwards.

I actually returned to this thread because the almighty Kittens was acting like an ass in another thread and it reminded me that I haven't check this one in a while.

[BotheDMBFan]

You planning on doing anything out here on the west coast any time soon?

[Doors Allan Coe]

You planning on doing anything out here on the west coast any time soon?

Me?

No way!

I honestly don't venture out of the Northeast. PA/NY/NJ/CT/MA are the only places I ever travel to. I've been doing less and less video work. I've only done a few videos this fall. Wrestling is just a shitty business. Tons of liability and very little profit.

On a side note. Brutal Bob Evans the manager for "Epic" Mike Bennett rented me my first steel cage. He was always great towards me anytime I worked a show with him. It's great to see he's getting to work ROH after running shows in New England for years on end.

[Rodey]

Elimination Chamber is going to be in Milwaukee. That might be a good time for my first live wrestling event.

[K3nTaKa0s]

CM Punk is better on the mic and his insider references are more clever than anything anyone is doing in TNA.

How is it clever when a very large majority of your fanbase has no idea what he's talking about?

[Speilmen230]

I could care less if the kiddies get what he is talking about, i find it to be very entertaining which is why he is head and shoulders better than anyone right now.

Dolph is the second best guy in the company right now. I really hope he gets a serious push towards the main event picture. Not a JoMo, Troof, Swagger push, but a Punk, Miz, ADR push. The main event is currently over-saturated with heels, but i think Berto needs to take a back seat for a little while because he has cooled off in a major way.

[Rodey]

How is it clever when a very large majority of your fanbase has no idea what he's talking about?

Let's get one thing straight, the majority of the WWE's demographic is not children. I will never buy that, no matter how much they want everyone to believe it.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The real question I curious is about is...

What's bigger...the portion of the WWE audience that "gets" CM Punk's jokes or the entire TNA audience?

[BotheDMBFan]

I think more people saw Under the Cherry Moon than have ever watched TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

We're talking about the Dynamic Dudes here. Not the Legion of Doom.

[JacobLovesYou]

You don't have to know about the Dynamic Dudes to understand that Punk is making fun of Laurinaitis being in a goofy 80s tag team. That's why they showed the old clips. Anybody who's confused isn't paying attention. Besides, that's like a subplot of their feud, with the "boring, uncharismatic, uncreative" part being the obvious driving force between the two.

[crush0617]

anyone see Impact last night? I only saw a little of it although I see they Fired both Jarretts.. So JJ has not lost 2 loser leaves TNA matches in 6 months.

lets see how long this one lasts...

[CrashDMB237]

How is it clever when a very large majority of your fanbase has no idea what he's talking about?

See:

Let's get one thing straight, the majority of the WWE's demographic is not children. I will never buy that, no matter how much they want everyone to believe it.

And this is absolutely true.

[K3nTaKa0s]

You don't have to know about the Dynamic Dudes to understand that Punk is making fun of Laurinaitis being in a goofy 80s tag team. That's why they showed the old clips. Anybody who's confused isn't paying attention. Besides, that's like a subplot of their feud, with the "boring, uncharismatic, uncreative" part being the obvious driving force between the two.

The crowd was dead after the video package. So.. either the fans in the audience were confused or they just don't give a shit.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm sure there is plenty of WWE fans, who are not kids, that have no idea who the Dynamic Dudes are.

[CrashDMB237]

I'm sure there is plenty of WWE fans, who are not kids, that have no idea who the Dynamic Dudes are.

And if they didn't, they do now. What WWE did was pretty damn smart. It gives some back story to John Laurinaitis, encourages the fans to do their research and it makes for some pretty hilarious content.

I don't even know how anyone with a functioning brain can argue there is someone better on the mic than Punk right now.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Not everyone is a WWE mark.

I wonder how much longer they keep the belt on Punk.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Let's get one thing straight, the majority of the WWE's demographic is not children. I will never buy that, no matter how much they want everyone to believe it.



And this is absolutely true.

I wouldn't say absolutely true. They clearly market merchandise towards children OR young adults who grew up watching the WWE/F. They don't openly target adults. The entire WWE marketing engine is geared toward children and young adults.

Obviously half naked women targets the teenage demographic more than a pre-teen demographic. But, in a age in which the UFC is everywhere the WWE has no reason to abandon it marketing routine towards children. The WWE isn't just built to cater to children, that would be something like Barney. But, they defintely DO target children. But, they also target teens and try and court the mainstream media with celebrity appearances and charity work.

[Rodey]

I believe I read somewhere not too long ago that 75% of the WWE fan base is 21 and older. I'll see if I can dig up where I read that.

[CrashDMB237]

I believe I read somewhere not too long ago that 75% of the WWE fan base is 21 and older. I'll see if I can dig up where I read that.

18 and older. Still, that leaves only 25% of your audience as being in high school. They absolutely market to kids and teens, but the target audience is not kids and teens.

[dmbmuskie]

I was flipping through the channels last night and landed on TNA for about 5 minutes. Unbelievably awful.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I was flipping through the channels last night and landed on TNA for about 5 minutes. Unbelievably awful.

What was awful about it? Last night's Impact blew Monday's Raw out of the water.

[CrashDMB237]

What was awful about it? Last night's Impact blew Monday's Raw out of the water.

You're gonna use the Slammy's as a barometer? Whatever gets your rocks off I guess.

[dmbmuskie]

What was awful about it? Last night's Impact blew Monday's Raw out of the water.

It was just an embarrassing product. Bubby Ray is supposed to be some world class heel now. Please. Their use of the backstage hidden camera is awful.

Also, Samoa Joe now looks like he ate Samoa Joe.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What was wrong with Bully Ray?

Is their use of the backstage hidden camera awful because the WWE doesn't do it?

Samoa Joe is still the same size.

You'll have to come up with something a little bit more if you want me to take your opinion seriously.

[Rodey]

You're gonna use the Slammy's as a barometer? Whatever gets your rocks off I guess.

:lol:thumbsup

So true. There are a few episodes of Raw a year you can bank on being bad, the Slammy's pretty much top that list.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I can use any Raw since the last PPV.

[BotheDMBFan]

What was wrong with Bully Ray?

Is their use of the backstage hidden camera awful because the WWE doesn't do it?

Samoa Joe is still the same size.

You'll have to come up with something a little bit more if you want me to take your opinion seriously.

The backstage "hidden" camera is awful because of how poorly it is executed. Too often it feels like the guys are reading from a script, as opposed to speaking semi-naturally. I love the concept, I just cannot get into the execution.

[dmbmuskie]

I don't watch wrestling at all anymore. It's clear as day that TNA is amateur production mixed with enough nostalgia to keep idiots watching has beens and never weres.

[jackisback24]

TNA has illogical booking. They do a lot of things for shock value and don't keep cohesive storylines correct. I mean, turning Jeff Hardy heel to surprise fans is up there when the WWE turned Austin heel. People didn't want to see it.

The WWE is hit and miss as well with their writing. It's too bad Mid-South back in 1985 isn't around now cause a lot of you would enjoy it. Seek it out on the net on DVD. Good stuff.

I never watch TNA and usually only catch Raw and that's my wrestling watching these days. I'd watch ROH but I don't believe it airs near me.

Thank goodness for the NHL and the NFL or I'd be SOL w/sports in general.

Also wish that ESPN on Demand would bring back wrestling clips.

Any idea when the Punk book comes out? Has the potential to be the next Y2J book but he should have come out with one now in time for Xmas.

[CrashDMB237]

What was wrong with Bully Ray?

Is their use of the backstage hidden camera awful because the WWE doesn't do it?

Samoa Joe is still the same size.

You'll have to come up with something a little bit more if you want me to take your opinion seriously.

The WWE doesn't do it because it adds absolutely nothing to the show. You can't play that angle and do it well, so don't do it at all. TNA just seems desperate to do something WWE isn't doing, regardless of whether or not it actually works.

[crush0617]

What was wrong with Bully Ray?

Is their use of the backstage hidden camera awful because the WWE doesn't do it?

Samoa Joe is still the same size.

You'll have to come up with something a little bit more if you want me to take your opinion seriously.

C'mon now I am a fan of Joe's but, he looks horrible. Not that I can blame him they have treated his character like complete garbage.

RVD is another one that just seems to not care anymore..

[dmbmuskie]

Samoas Joe?

[K3nTaKa0s]

The WWE doesn't do it because it adds absolutely nothing to the show. You can't play that angle and do it well, so don't do it at all. TNA just seems desperate to do something WWE isn't doing, regardless of whether or not it actually works.

The WWE has been doing the same thing for so long.

WWE is destroying the way people look at professional wrestling. It's sickening.

[dmbmuskie]

The WWE has been doing the same thing for so long.

WWE is destroying the way people look at professional wrestling. It's sickening.

:lol:lol

[Crush086]

C'mon now I am a fan of Joe's but, he looks horrible. Not that I can blame him they have treated his character like complete garbage.

RVD is another one that just seems to not care anymore..
Well you gotta consider that alot of these guys aren't in their prime anymore. So although they do far less (if any) traveling, being 40+ doesn't help them much either.

Van Dam is 42
Bully Ray is 41
Sting is over 50
Angle is 43

The list goes on, but you get the idea. Considering RVD's prior stints in ECW and even WWE where he was quite the high flyer I'm sure it's taken it's toll on him and the others.

TNA can do better with the star power of course, but with what they're working with it's no surprise that their matches aren't typically of the same caliber of WWEs.

I would imagine they'll be looking pretty hard at Morrison, and if they do take Melina with him she could maybe work as his manager while he works on his promo skills.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/214340

[CrashDMB237]

The WWE has been doing the same thing for so long.

WWE is destroying the way people look at professional wrestling. It's sickening.

A billion dollar company has been doing the same thing for so long... what a bunch of idiots! It's the best product in the industry, the most successful product in the industry, why the hell would they change anything? It's better than trying to do something new regardless of whether or not it will actually enhance the product.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/214340

That's just comical right there. Zack Ryder #5 huh? I'd take Daniel Bryan over half the scrubs on that list.

[K3nTaKa0s]

A billion dollar company has been doing the same thing for so long... what a bunch of idiots! It's the best product in the industry, the most successful product in the industry, why the hell would they change anything? It's better than trying to do something new regardless of whether or not it will actually enhance the product.



It's certainly not hurting the product.

Funny that TNA gets criticized for trying something different, while WWE gets praised for not doing anything.

The WWE product is stale. One of these days, you guys will notice that.

[dmbmuskie]

The world we live in is out of fresh ideas. How is TNA reinventing the wheel?

[CrashDMB237]

It's certainly not hurting the product.

Funny that TNA gets criticized for trying something different, while WWE gets praised for not doing anything.

The WWE product is stale. One of these days, you guys will notice that.

Well then someone is going to have to create a circuit that even comes close to matching WWE's level, because as of right now I have no reason to watch anything else. I've tried TNA and it's awful. ROH is good but I can't always watch it. WWE literally has no competition.

[bartender_man]

It's certainly not hurting the product.

Funny that TNA gets criticized for trying something different, while WWE gets praised for not doing anything.

The WWE product is stale. One of these days, you guys will notice that.

Yes WWE is not great these days but TNA is GOD aweful. Bunch of old scrubs from WWE and the new guys there- just don't have the personailties to captivate any interest, No wonder, they have such a hard time selling tickets...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Yes WWE is not great these days but TNA is GOD aweful. Bunch of old scrubs from WWE and the new guys there- just don't have the personailties to captivate any interest, No wonder, they have such a hard time selling tickets...

This post is so full of ridiculousness.

[Doors Allan Coe]

It's certainly not hurting the product.

Funny that TNA gets criticized for trying something different, while WWE gets praised for not doing anything.

The WWE product is stale. One of these days, you guys will notice that.

The world we live in is out of fresh ideas. How is TNA reinventing the wheel?

Well then someone is going to have to create a circuit that even comes close to matching WWE's level, because as of right now I have no reason to watch anything else. I've tried TNA and it's awful. ROH is good but I can't always watch it. WWE literally has no competition.


Exactly.

Pro-wrestling is the same story told over and over. Good Guy versus Bad Guy. Some of wrestlings best and worst ideas were born out of quest to come up with something never done before.

Most wrestling fans start watching as children or teenagers. Adults don't just suddenly become wrestling fans. The WWE isn't numb to that fact. They know the survival of the company is directly connected with attracting children who will hopefully become fans for at least a generation. They do cater to internet fans and oldere fans to a degree, but it's main marketing resources go into PG material for the entire family. Adult targeted pro-wrestling is a niche audience.

In theory wrestling is due for rebirth. ROH and TNA both tried and haven't yet succeeded. But, the birth of UFC has changed the landscape. The WWE has been expanding it's film and television credentials. The company is opening a cable network in 2012. They will not only be featureing wrestling, but also original programming. WWE has a huge international fanbase. Between movies and the television network they are truly transforming from a traveling circus into ans entertainment company.

Writing for the WWE isn't an easy task. It's not a job for somebody who wants to express creativity. It's a rough grind and after the novelty wears off it's a high pressure job with long hours that wears people out. It's a serious task to come up with live original programing 52 weeks a year. As a writer you never have an offseason or break. Wrestling is story driven but more importantly it's character driven. Even more importantly is Mcmahon driven. The WWE isn't a democracy.

That is why it's fruitless to look too deeply into what they put on TV. Writers come and go. WWE isn't concerned with reinventing wrestling. They are concerned with keeping this substainable model. Ideally the movies and network will eventually grow enough so that they are each individually viable. The movies and tv station have much more potential for growth. Not just nationally but internationally.

It's not improbable to predict the wrestling won't be the WWEs top source of revenue in a decade. The sky is the limit.

WWE is what it is. The WWE corporate site has it all in black and white. Look at the financials. The movie department has been improving it's profits every year. It's growing slowly. I see those DVDs all over Walmart. The TV station isn't going to be wrestling 24/7. It will feature movies and original programing. But, Stamford, CT films tons of shows already. CT have great tax breaks for the entertainment industry.

But, success won't be easy.

[Speilmen230]

Knowledge just got dropped

[K3nTaKa0s]

So.. WWE is doing better selling movies than Pay Per Views? lol.

[CrashDMB237]

So.. WWE is doing better selling movies than Pay Per Views? lol.

What a cop out response :lol

[Rodey]

TNA has illogical booking. They do a lot of things for shock value and don't keep cohesive storylines correct. I mean, turning Jeff Hardy heel to surprise fans is up there when the WWE turned Austin heel. People didn't want to see it.

The WWE is hit and miss as well with their writing. It's too bad Mid-South back in 1985 isn't around now cause a lot of you would enjoy it. Seek it out on the net on DVD. Good stuff.

I never watch TNA and usually only catch Raw and that's my wrestling watching these days. I'd watch ROH but I don't believe it airs near me.

Thank goodness for the NHL and the NFL or I'd be SOL w/sports in general.

Also wish that ESPN on Demand would bring back wrestling clips.

Any idea when the Punk book comes out? Has the potential to be the next Y2J book but he should have come out with one now in time for Xmas.

Not sure if they do it anymore because I have to be up in the mornings now, but back when I would always go out for MNF and stay out until bar time, one of the ESPN channels would always show really old school wrestling.

[bartender_man]

This post is so full of ridiculousness.


Oh ok... intelligent response :thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

What a cop out response :lol

What am I supposed to say?

The on-air product is stale.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Oh ok... intelligent response :thumbsup

About as intelligent as what I was responding to.

[Rodey]

It baffles me that you can think the WWE on-air product is stale, but have nothing negative to say about TNA and think it's amazing.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I've never said it's amazing. Why do I need to say anything negative about TNA when I have all of you knowledgeable wrestling fans to point out everything?

[bartender_man]

About as intelligent as what I was responding to.

Yeah ok bud. Keep it up

[CrashDMB237]

I've never said it's amazing. Why do I need to say anything negative about TNA when I have all of you knowledgeable wrestling fans to point out everything?

I love how we're WWE marks, but you're looking at it all objectively :lol

[gocubsgo3822]

Cena said on twitter he is just watching TLC..

i think he haas to help beat ziggler for ryder though

[bartender_man]

Cena said on twitter he is just watching TLC..

i think he haas to help beat ziggler for ryder though

I could see that

[CrashDMB237]

Cena said on twitter he is just watching TLC..

i think he haas to help beat ziggler for ryder though

Yea, until they make him guest referee of the TLC match...

[gocubsgo3822]

hmmmm yea i have been waiting for that. I cant see it happening. I think if they did that they would have already announced it

[JacobLovesYou]

I think Cena helps Ryder, might even ref that match. That why Ziggler doesn't lose clean. Then I think they rematch on Raw or at Rumble and Ryder wins clean. That way lowing the belt and losing clean don't happen simultaneously for Zigglers sake. I could see him losing at Rumble early on the card, then winning the Rumble later on.

[kingchrisII]

I gotta admit, I didn't realize any adults still watched WWE. I try to do it once in awhile, but it is awful. CM Punk and Miz are honestly the only ones in that company that appeal to me in anyway. I thought the reason that shitty Velocity caliber talents like Ziggler and Ryder were popular was because of the evident lack of talent in WWE. Cena does what his character is supposed to do (be the Hogan of the 2000's - character caters to the kids... you must have down sydrome if you are over 15 and are entertained by Cena) Orton has no charisma, mic skills etc. Del Rio should get permanently deported so he gets off TV.

CM Punk is by far the best wrestler in the business today though, and its not even close. In ring skills, charisma, mic work.... overall best talent.

[Speilmen230]

Dolph/Punk feud is far and away the most entertaining thing they could do right now.

[Rodey]

Dolph can't lose cleanly to Ryder. As much as it would legitimize Zack and get him over, they should not do it at Dolph's expense. They need to have Cena interfere, then Dolph needs to go straight to main event status and get into the WWE Championship title picture. He is far too good to be wasted with Vickie and the US Title.

[YankeesDMB41]

I gotta admit, I didn't realize any adults still watched WWE. I try to do it once in awhile, but it is awful. CM Punk and Miz are honestly the only ones in that company that appeal to me in anyway. I thought the reason that shitty Velocity caliber talents like Ziggler and Ryder were popular was because of the evident lack of talent in WWE. Cena does what his character is supposed to do (be the Hogan of the 2000's - character caters to the kids... you must have down sydrome if you are over 15 and are entertained by Cena) Orton has no charisma, mic skills etc. Del Rio should get permanently deported so he gets off TV.

CM Punk is by far the best wrestler in the business today though, and its not even close. In ring skills, charisma, mic work.... overall best talent.

very uneccessary :thumbsdow

[kingchrisII]

very uneccessary :thumbsdow

You have perhaps the most offensive word in the english language in your signature and you are thumbs downing me for saying something unnecessary?

:lol:lol:lol:lol

the irony.

[YankeesDMB41]

You have perhaps the most offensive word in the english language in your signature and you are thumbs downing me for saying something unnecessary?

:lol:lol:lol:lol

the irony.

lol i actually took no offense to that, i just wanted to make someone feel like shit.........and a cunt

[kingchrisII]

lol i actually took no offense to that, i just wanted to make someone feel like shit.........and a cunt

Well you did neither. I basically said "if you are over 15 and find john cena entertaining you must be cognitively impaired." that's not offensive. I don't find the word "cunt" offensive either though, but I bet a lot more people find the word "cunt" offensive than suggesting that John Cena is only entertaining to children and the cognitively impaired.

...But I wouldn't expect a Yankees fan to know any better.

...Or somebody who's location is: "long island wwwyki"

[YankeesDMB41]

Well you did neither. I basically said "if you are over 15 and find john cena entertaining you must be cognitively impaired." that's not offensive. I don't find the word "cunt" offensive either though, but I bet a lot more people find the word "cunt" offensive than suggesting that John Cena is only entertaining to children and the cognitively impaired.

...But I wouldn't expect a Yankees fan to know any better.

...Or somebody who's location is: "long island wwwyki"

easyyyy killer im joking around with you, no need for paragraph long responses. didnt bother reading but i promise i wont use cunt anymore if you leave kids with down syndrome out of it...deal <3

[kingchrisII]

easyyyy killer im joking around with you, no need for paragraph long responses. didnt bother reading but i promise i wont use cunt anymore if you leave kids with down syndrome out of it...deal <3

Yikes, your idea of a paragraph is 3 lines? :lol You would have made an awesome elementary school teacher.

[YankeesDMB41]

Yikes, your idea of a paragraph is 3 lines? :lol You would have made an awesome elementary school teacher.

you didn't answer my question, do we have a deal meanie :leroi?

[kingchrisII]

Sorry, didn't get to the question, your post was too long. You can say cunt all you want that doesn't bother me, it just makes it even more funny after you call me out for mentioning that someone must be cognitively impaired if they like cena past age 15. :lol

person 1: that's the most retarded thing i have ever seen.

person 2: don't say the word "retarded", that's offensive, you cunt!

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

...even though you won't read that response because of length... I guess I wasted the 15 seconds it took me to type.

[kingchrisII]

On a more serious note.... Shannon Moore was number 91 in PWI's Top 100 of 2011. Do you know who that was ahead of? Woo Woo Woo....

http://prowrestlingillustrated.blogspot.com/2011/08/pwi-500-1-100.html

...You Know It.

[K3nTaKa0s]

"Yeah.. but Woo Woo Woo works for WWE and Moore works for TNA."

Blah, blah, blah.

[kingchrisII]

"Yeah.. but Woo Woo Woo works for WWE and Moore works for TNA."

Blah, blah, blah.

I know that's the common opinion of the IWC. Just because the WWE has been around for ages and are the established brand in pro wrestling (and as a result continue to succeed as a company) people assume they automatically have the better product. I stopped watching WWE in high school because I felt like I outgrew it. I heard Hogan was going to TNA and I decided to watch. I enjoyed it (Hogan ended up being the worst part of TNA actually) and so I decided to give WWE a try again. I tuned in, and had to turn it off. I still follow them casually, but I can't sit through an entire episode of Raw, and I wont even pretend to care about Smackdown. There simply isn't enough talent in WWE, the storylines are uninteresting, and they limit themselves by being PG.

I firmly believe that if anyone was to be introduced to both TNA and WWE without any back story, influence, etc. and were told to pick out the product they thought was better... 9 out of 10 people would pick TNA at this day and age. Actually, that kind of is happening in foreign countries, where TNA is starting to become the preferred product.

Can WWE recover? Yes they can. Would I like to see it? Yes I would. Do I anticipate it happening? No, because they don't need to put out a good product to make money at this point.

Now before people chew my head off: TNA has many flaws as well. As a casual viewer of both products I think WWE has more flaws, but TNA is not perfect either.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I can't argue any of that.

[CrashDMB237]

I firmly believe that if anyone was to be introduced to both TNA and WWE without any back story, influence, etc. and were told to pick out the product they thought was better... 9 out of 10 people would pick TNA at this day and age. Actually, that kind of is happening in foreign countries, where TNA is starting to become the preferred product.

I firmly disagree. I was into wrestling when I was a kid up until about 2002ish and completely stopped watching because the product had gotten terrible. Tried to get back into it during the Cena/Batista years... couldn't stand it, didn't watch it again for at least another 5 years. Just recently when I started getting into it again, I gave TNA a try before WWE. I could barely get through a show.

So I had bailed on WWE twice already because of how bad the product was, but when I tried to give TNA a chance, it made me go back to WWE. I don't think there was too much bias involved there, considering I couldn't stand WWE at the time.

[gocubsgo3822]

I watched TNA with an open mind the other night. Just brutal. I mean brutal. Production was shitty. Promos were turrible. And all the people are old as fuck and just not talented

[BAHHHTIWaC]

TNA needs way more homegrown talent before I will start wanting to watch the product. I was impressed, when I watched a couple months back, that the main event on IMPACT was a tag team match. With actual tag teams. For the tag team titles. With the titles changing hands.

[BotheDMBFan]

They have homegrown talent...they just don't push them hardly at all, until James and Storm. AJ is just kinda...there. He'll get a title match every now and again, but he never feels like he belongs in the top spot.

[gocubsgo3822]

JohnCena John Cena
On plane headed to ryder country. Long island tonight and then ordering ppv TLC tomorrow. Will be a bit different watching but I am excited

mcg222 john mcguoirk
@
@JohnCena what's the deal why aren't you on the ppv??? Will you be in philly???

JohnCena John Cena
I will be in philly but I gave my ppv chance to someone who deserves it. I would do it again if I had the chance

Anyone buy this? I refuse to believe he doesnt show up

[BotheDMBFan]

OH, he'll show up. I dunno if you'll be able to hear is baller entrance music though.

[gocubsgo3822]

He does have baller entrance music.. Not top ten or anything but it is pretty dope.. Might get a broski headband tomorrow.

Will i get to see Ryder win the title? Probably.

[BotheDMBFan]

It's absolutely top 10.

Yes, you will.

[gocubsgo3822]

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/12/17/2639842/wwe-wwf-inferno-kane-undertaker-mvp-hhh-triple-h-armageddon

This just doesnt seem safe

[BotheDMBFan]

They set the clothes on fire every time I think. They do this so no one gets burned. Everyone has been A-OK doing that match thusfarly.

[JacobLovesYou]

If I told my friends to watch TNA, they would, then they'd make fun of me.

I think Ziggler wins the Rumble. Since its a lot more doable now, we should make fake WM cards again with what we think will/could/should happen.

[gocubsgo3822]

ok i will bite

WM

Cena Rock
Punk Ziggler (WWE)
Orton D Bryan (World Heavyweight)
Taker Kane
Rhodes Henry
Ryder Swagger

[JacobLovesYou]

I'll do mine in a bit when I'm on my laptop. I hate typing a ton on my phone.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I watched TNA with an open mind the other night. Just brutal. I mean brutal. Production was shitty. Promos were turrible. And all the people are old as fuck and just not talented

Who's promos? And what was wrong with them?

[JacobLovesYou]

umm let's see..

1) John Cena vs. The Rock

2) Undertaker vs. Kane

WWE Championship Match
3) CM Punk (c) vs Dolph Ziggler

4) Triple H vs Randy Orton

World Heavyweight Championship Match
5) Mark Henry (c) vs The Big Show vs Daniel Bryan vs Wade Barrett

6) The Miz vs Chris Jericho

Intercontinental Championship Match
7) Cody Rhodes (c) vs. Sheamus

Diva's Championship
8) Brie Bella (c) vs Kharma


I'm surprised this isn't easier to predict yet. this card is no where near what itll end up being. i really do think punk/ziggler is coming with ziggler winning Rumble though. i want to see him do his best flair impersonation from i believe it was Rumble 92. i think miz/jericho would be an entertaining as hell feud if done right.

[hbktonyb]

Cena/Rock
Punk/Taker
Miz/Haitch
Ziggler/Jericho
Orton/Bryan
Ryder/Troof

[JacobLovesYou]

^i'd buy it

there are several really good scenarios for this year

and then of course, there are things like snooki...

[hbktonyb]

I'd love to see Miz go over Haitch and Punk go over Taker.

[JacobLovesYou]

I feel like anyone going over Taker at this point ends up being harmful regardless of post match handshake.


Is there a new anti Cena shirt selling at events? Something on twitter alluded to this. If its true, to me that proves a WM heel turn.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Harmful to who/what?

[BotheDMBFan]

Harmful to who/what?

The person who goes over Taker. It'd be just too much to live up to at this point.

[JacobLovesYou]

Exactly. At this point, taker putting anyone over would backfire. The time for that has come and gone and WWE messed up for the sake of current ppv buys. Since taker was never a championship powerhouse, 20-0 should be his thing. There's way more money long-term in 20-0 merchandise then in the streak breaker going over gigantic with fans.

[bartender_man]

The person who goes over Taker. It'd be just too much to live up to at this point.

Interesting way of looking at it..

[BotheDMBFan]

Exactly. At this point, taker putting anyone over would backfire. The time for that has come and gone and WWE messed up for the sake of current ppv buys. Since taker was never a championship powerhouse, 20-0 should be his thing. There's way more money long-term in 20-0 merchandise then in the streak breaker going over gigantic with fans.

He's won like, 7 world titles with the E.

Truly the best wrestler in WWE history.

[gocubsgo3822]

I dont know why but I am pretty fucking excited for tonight.

I will go

PUNK
HHH
Henry (with D Bryan cashing in)
Ryder
Barrett
Rhodes

[Pablo23]

Punk
Show
HHH
Ryder
Rhodes
Barrett

[bartender_man]

Any word on if Kane shows up tonight? That'd be cool if he does.

[bartender_man]

Punk
Henry
HHH
Ryder
Rhodes
Orton

[gocubsgo3822]

Also think it makes zero sense if Ryder beats Ziggler clean that is where Cena factors in me thinks..

Have pretty solid seats tonight. I am excited.