Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Doors Allan Coe]

Ratings are sure to plummet if they move to an exclusive network that isn't carried by regular cable. USA is convenient because they can be the "Juggernaut" of the station, and since most every household carries your typical standard cable package it's easy to hit the masses. Your "it's still real to me" people watch because they love it so much, and even those casual watchers will tune in since it's part of the cable package.

But you move to something exclusive like the WWE Network and those that casually watch aren't going to bother anymore (when streaming will still be possible), and I figure you're going to lose out on a huge market. That's of course assuming WWEN is something like HBO, Showtime, etc. that'd be considered "premium" cable. If it'd be included in standard cable like USA then this post is worthless lol.

I pretty sure the WWE won't be pulling all of it's programming off regular cable. Hell, just the WWE's spanish speaking audience is enough of a reason to not try and make WWE content exclusive to the WWE channel.

It seems like the station will initially be saturated with classic wrestling and WWE movies. But, the WWE has the capabilities to easilt produce is own original TV shows. Just by judging the credentials of writers they hire it's clear they have a vision of a entertainment-centric station and not just that of a wrestling oriented station.

It's a shift in business model. It's much more realisitc to be a sustainable entertainment company the produced movies, tv, and wrestling content than a company that concentrates on promoting a traveling circus.

Rating aren't hugely important. 2.8 is still good for a weekly cable program. Not to mention it's shot live in front of 10,000+ screaming fans every week.

The WWE will be kind of like the NFL Network. They will have some exclusive events, but I don't think the notion of restricting all current programming to the station is a goal at this point. Remember, WWE shows being on other station is one long WWE commerical for it's network. Don't think they won't be plugging shows or directing us to call our cable companies and DEMAND the WWE station!

[CrashDMB237]

I pretty sure the WWE won't be pulling all of it's programming off regular cable. Hell, just the WWE's spanish speaking audience is enough of a reason to not try and make WWE content exclusive to the WWE channel.

It seems like the station will initially be saturated with classic wrestling and WWE movies. But, the WWE has the capabilities to easilt produce is own original TV shows. Just by judging the credentials of writers they hire it's clear they have a vision of a entertainment-centric station and not just that of a wrestling oriented station.

It's a shift in business model. It's much more realisitc to be a sustainable entertainment company the produced movies, tv, and wrestling content than a company that concentrates on promoting a traveling circus.

Rating aren't hugely important. 2.8 is still good for a weekly cable program. Not to mention it's shot live in front of 10,000+ screaming fans every week.

The WWE will be kind of like the NFL Network. They will have some exclusive events, but I don't think the notion of restricting all current programming to the station is a goal at this point. Remember, WWE shows being on other station is one long WWE commerical for it's network. Don't think they won't be plugging shows or directing us to call our cable companies and DEMAND the WWE station!

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

Can't wait to see those old NWA/WCW shows with the WWE logo on the bottom of the screen. What a joke.

[CrashDMB237]

Can't wait to see those old NWA/WCW shows with the WWE logo on the bottom of the screen. What a joke.

They own the NWA and WCW, why is this a joke? When you own something, you put your logo on it. Don't get the network if a logo gets your panties in a bunch. I'm sure the people working for it won't fret over your absence.

Again, I don't know how you expect anyone to respect you or your opinions. This comment just clearly shows you hate the WWE for illogical reasons.

[Speilmen230]

I pretty sure the WWE won't be pulling all of it's programming off regular cable. Hell, just the WWE's spanish speaking audience is enough of a reason to not try and make WWE content exclusive to the WWE channel.

It seems like the station will initially be saturated with classic wrestling and WWE movies. But, the WWE has the capabilities to easilt produce is own original TV shows. Just by judging the credentials of writers they hire it's clear they have a vision of a entertainment-centric station and not just that of a wrestling oriented station.

It's a shift in business model. It's much more realisitc to be a sustainable entertainment company the produced movies, tv, and wrestling content than a company that concentrates on promoting a traveling circus.

Rating aren't hugely important. 2.8 is still good for a weekly cable program. Not to mention it's shot live in front of 10,000+ screaming fans every week.

The WWE will be kind of like the NFL Network. They will have some exclusive events, but I don't think the notion of restricting all current programming to the station is a goal at this point. Remember, WWE shows being on other station is one long WWE commerical for it's network. Don't think they won't be plugging shows or directing us to call our cable companies and DEMAND the WWE station!

This is a big reason why they are the juggernaut that they are. they do 5 live events a week, and they almost always hit the +7,000 mark. At an average price of 50 bucks a ticket, that is +$350,000 grossed at the gate. Not to mention merchandise sales. Which of course go like hot cakes at their events.

So no, their TV ratings really are a non-factor.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Can't wait to see those old NWA/WCW shows with the WWE logo on the bottom of the screen. What a joke.

:rolleyes

But, you can't wait to watch old attitude era wrestlers with a TNA logo at the bottom of the screen...?

[K3nTaKa0s]

How many old attitude era wrestlers are on TNA television every week?

[Speilmen230]

Jeff Jarrett, Bubba, D-Von, RVD, Sting, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, Hogan, Steiner, Flair.

Yes i consider all of them to be Attitude era because they were active wrestlers during that era whether or not they were with the WWF.

[Doors Allan Coe]

How many old attitude era wrestlers are on TNA television every week?

Well, last time I watched I saw. RVD/Buhbuh/Devon/Hogan/Flair/Foley/Sting/Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy/Dreamer/Steiner/Jarrett/Angle and others...

Last time I watch the show was centered around figures from the late 90's. Nevermind that fact it was rehashing a tired "network" storyline from the 90's featuring, guess who...Bischoff/Hogan/Flair/Foley.

I just figured RVD going through the motions with a TNA logo wasn't really better than a NWA event with a WWE logo on it...

[Crush086]

The only thing I'd hate is if they did the old shows, and blurred the WWF out of everything. It's so annoying watching old stuff on Netflix or something and have blurs all over the screen in every match.

[Speilmen230]

Here are WWE's attitude era workers. The bolded are the ones used steadily on regular weekly programming. Underlined are used on and off.

Big Show, Booker T, Christian, Goldust, Kane, Nash, Henry, Truth, Mysterio, HHH, Undertaker, Regal

[K3nTaKa0s]

Booker T, Kevin Nash, Triple H, Jerry Lawler, Kane, Undertaker, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, Christian, Rey Mysterio, Big Show.

Shame on TNA for having anyone over the age of 35 on television.

[Speilmen230]

The only thing I'd hate is if they did the old shows, and blurred the WWF out of everything. It's so annoying watching old stuff on Netflix or something and have blurs all over the screen in every match.

Legally they have too. World Wildlife Fund sued and successfully got them to drop the name and the Scratch WWF logo.

they can use the Original logo, and the new generation logo, but they can't use the WWF Attitude era logo, not even in their video library.

[Crush086]

I know the legal implications of having to do so, I just always wanted them to be a little less obscured, or even blacked out or something. Just a pet peeve I suppose.

[Speilmen230]

Booker T, Kevin Nash, Triple H, Jerry Lawler, Kane, Undertaker, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, Christian, Rey Mysterio, Big Show.

Shame on TNA for having anyone over the age of 35 on television.

King and Booker T Commentator and occasional wrestler
Kevin Nash has wrestled 2 matches for the WWE since 2003.
Undertaker hasn't been on tv since WM 27
The Rock has wrestled once
Jericho hasn't been with the company since September of 2010
Mick Foley hasn't wrestled since 2008ish
Rey hasn't wrestled since mid 2011

[Speilmen230]

I know the legal implications of having to do so, I just always wanted them to be a little less obscured, or even blacked out or something. Just a pet peeve I suppose.

i hate the fact that they have to blur them out. It isn't like they are promoting under the logo anymore, it is video library footage. Let it go WWF. You clearly won. Let them use it on home video releases. I can't imagine that it is cheap to go in and blur out the logo on every frame of a release. especially when it is literally everywhere.

[CrashDMB237]

Booker T, Kevin Nash, Triple H, Jerry Lawler, Kane, Undertaker, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, Christian, Rey Mysterio, Big Show.

Shame on TNA for having anyone over the age of 35 on television.

Followed by:

King and Booker T Commentator and occasional wrestler
Kevin Nash has wrestled 2 matches for the WWE since 2003.
Undertaker hasn't been on tv since WM 27
The Rock has wrestled once
Jericho hasn't been with the company since September of 2010
Mick Foley hasn't wrestled since 2008ish
Rey hasn't wrestled since mid 2011

= :lol:lol:lol

The only thing I'd hate is if they did the old shows, and blurred the WWF out of everything. It's so annoying watching old stuff on Netflix or something and have blurs all over the screen in every match.

I know it's been answered, but this is totally out of the WWE's hands. They have to make the logo completely unrecognizable. Just to respond to your second post... you'd rather have big black blotches all over the screen over blurs?

i hate the fact that they have to blur them out. It isn't like they are promoting under the logo anymore, it is video library footage. Let it go WWF. You clearly won. Let them use it on home video releases. I can't imagine that it is cheap to go in and blur out the logo on every frame of a release. especially when it is literally everywhere.

Not cheap, but not as bad as you'd think. They have companies that do it or teams of people that come in and do it. It can be done right on the editing machines themselves.

[Crush086]

I know it's been answered, but this is totally out of the WWE's hands. They have to make the logo completely unrecognizable. Just to respond to your second post... you'd rather have big black blotches all over the screen over blurs?

I think we're thinking of it in different ways. Turnbuckles are black (for the most part), so obscuring the F to make it illegible against a dark background is feasible. More feasible than putting huge blurs all over my screen and becoming a nuisance.

But again, just my opinion.

[Speilmen230]

I say they donate several mill to WWF in exchange for them to be able to use the old logo just on home media releases.

[CrashDMB237]

I think we're thinking of it in different ways. Turnbuckles are black (for the most part), so obscuring the F to make it illegible against a dark background is feasible. More feasible than putting huge blurs all over my screen and becoming a nuisance.

But again, just my opinion.

I hear you, but what could they do about the F's on the signs and shirts in the crowd or on the set? Blurring is the best option possible considering just leaving them up is totally out of the question. It IS annoying, I wish we could just watch it the way it was produced, but that's not gonna happen no matter how hard we wish.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Ironically I used to be friends with one of the many people who would go frame by frame and blur the WWF scratch logo.

But here is some Wiki info on the whole scratch logo dispute. Just for the sake of clarity.

Name dispute

In 2000, the World Wide Fund for Nature (also trademarked WWF), an environmental organization, sued World Wrestling Federation Entertainment Inc. in the United Kingdom.[31] The Law Lords agreed that the promotion company had violated a 1994 agreement as Titan Sports which had limited the permissible use of the WWF trademark in Europe, particularly in merchandising. The World Wide Fund and World Wrestling Federation used the initials since March 1979.[32] The last televised event to market the WWF logo was UK based pay-per-view Insurrextion 2002. On May 5, 2002, the company launched its "Get The F Out" marketing campaign and changed all references on its website from "WWF" to "WWE", while switching the URL from WWF.com to WWE.com.[33] The next day, a press release announced the official name change from World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. to World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc., or WWE, and the change was publicized later that day during a telecast of Monday Night Raw, which was broadcast from the Hartford Civic Center in Hartford, Connecticut.

Following the case, the use of the "Attitude" logo became prohibited on all World Wrestling Federation properties. Additionally, past references to the WWF trademark and initials in 'specified circumstances' became censored.[34] Despite litigation, WWE is still permitted use of the original WWF logo, which was used from 1979 through 1994, as well as the "New WWF Generation" logo, which was used from 1994 through 1998. Furthermore, the company may still make use of the full "World Wrestling Federation" and "World Wrestling Federation Entertainment" names without consequence. In 2003, WWE won a limited decision to continue marketing certain classic video games from THQ and Jakks Pacific that contained the WWF "Attitude" logo.[35] However, the packaging was changed to replace all WWF references with WWE.

I'm just thankful they didn't have to edit out the name when said verbally. World Wrestlng [beeeeeep] or World Wrestling [blank]

[Doors Allan Coe]

I do miss the days of Coliseum Video and Titan Sports...

[CrashDMB237]

Ironically I used to be friends with one of the many people who would go frame by frame and blur the WWF scratch logo.

I know one of them quite well actually...

[Speilmen230]

kinda jealous of you CT folk.

It really doesn't sound too bad when they mute the F. Next up is our main event for the WW[blank] Title

[CrashDMB237]

kinda jealous of you CT folk.

It really doesn't sound too bad when they mute the F. Next up is our main event for the WW[blank] Title

It does sound kind of... I dunno, not authentic when they refer to something in the 90s and call it WWE. Or even worse, going back to the 80s, the first WrestleMania, calling Hogan the WWE champion. Just doesn't feel right.

[dmbmuskie]

I hate the World Wildlife Fund or whatever the hell it is.

[Speilmen230]

I hate the World Wildlife Fund or whatever the hell it is.

everytime i see the panda i get kinda mad.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Jeff Jarrett -- Will probably be off television for a while as he's involved with TNA's product in India. I don't think he's embarrassed himself.

Bubba and Devon -- Both are doing their best work right now. I'd say that both are in better shape than they've ever been. When Team 3D split up, I was worried about how they'd pan out as singles star, but both are doing a lot better than I, or probably anyone else, expected.

RVD -- Might not even be a top 5 babyface in the company.

Sting -- On-air authority figure. Wrestles rarely.

Kurt Angle -- Best in-ring talent in either company.

Jeff Hardy -- Very marketable. Might be the most over active wrestler in TNA.

Hulk Hogan -- Hasn't been on television in two months. I highly doubt he wrestles many more times.

Scott Steiner -- Still cutting the great promos. Mostly wrestles in tag team situations.

Ric Flair -- The greatest of all-time. Can still cut promos and put babyfaces over on the mic. Will wrestle every few months or so.

[CrashDMB237]

Jeff Jarrett -- Will probably be off television for a while as he's involved with TNA's product in India. I don't think he's embarrassed himself.

Bubba and Devon -- Both are doing their best work right now. I'd say that both are in better shape than they've ever been. When Team 3D split up, I was worried about how they'd pan out as singles star, but both are doing a lot better than I, or probably anyone else, expected.

RVD -- Might not even be a top 5 babyface in the company.

Sting -- On-air authority figure. Wrestles rarely.

Kurt Angle -- Best in-ring talent in either company.

Jeff Hardy -- Very marketable. Might be the most over active wrestler in TNA.

Hulk Hogan -- Hasn't been on television in two months. I highly doubt he wrestles many more times.

Scott Steiner -- Still cutting the great promos. Mostly wrestles in tag team situations.

Ric Flair -- The greatest of all-time. Can still cut promos and put babyfaces over on the mic. Will wrestle every few months or so.


Not that I expected a decent answer, I really wish you would have put that first so I could have stopped reading long before I did.

[hbktonyb]

Angel is pretty damn awesome. It's True. It's Damn True.

[CrashDMB237]

Angel is pretty damn awesome. It's True. It's Damn True.

Was pretty damn awesome. Is still good. But nowhere near the best in either company. I would rather watch Orton, Punk or Ziggler in the ring.

[Speilmen230]

Jeff Jarrett -- Will probably be off television for a while as he's involved with TNA's product in India. I don't think he's embarrassed himself.

Bubba and Devon -- Both are doing their best work right now. I'd say that both are in better shape than they've ever been. When Team 3D split up, I was worried about how they'd pan out as singles star, but both are doing a lot better than I, or probably anyone else, expected.

RVD -- Might not even be a top 5 babyface in the company.

Sting -- On-air authority figure. Wrestles rarely.

Kurt Angle -- Best in-ring talent in either company.

Jeff Hardy -- Very marketable. Might be the most over active wrestler in TNA.

Hulk Hogan -- Hasn't been on television in two months. I highly doubt he wrestles many more times.

Scott Steiner -- Still cutting the great promos. Mostly wrestles in tag team situations.

Ric Flair -- The greatest of all-time. Can still cut promos and put babyfaces over on the mic. Will wrestle every few months or so.

:lol :lol :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4UXd2-Us5s#t=05m42s

far and away the best promo Steiner ever cut.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Was pretty damn awesome. Is still good. But nowhere near the best in either company. I would rather watch Orton, Punk or Ziggler in the ring.

Weren't you the guy on here who said Angle was out of shape or some shit? The guy is training for the Olympics. I find it hard to believe that he's not conditioned enough.

[CrashDMB237]

Weren't you the guy on here who said Angle was out of shape or some shit? The guy is training for the Olympics. I find it hard to believe that he's not conditioned enough.

Angle did not look to be in good shape at all at the last PPV. He was huffing and puffing and definitely not up to the speed he needed to be at to be called the best in-ring guy in either company.

[BotheDMBFan]

Money in the Bank is in Las Vegas next year. Let's all go, bitches.

[JacobLovesYou]

I can't talk crap about Angle when I know I'd be happy to see him back on WWE.

[bartender_man]

I can't talk crap about Angle when I know I'd be happy to see him back on WWE.


When WWE lost him and Brock, I thought it was big step backwards for that company

[BotheDMBFan]

I can't talk crap about Angle when I know I'd be happy to see him back on WWE.

I dunno how I'd feel about Angle being back.

[JacobLovesYou]

I think Brock will come back eventually. He has millions to make still and I'm sure everyone involved knows it.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think Brock would come back without it being perfect for Brock, and I dunno if WWE wants to put up with his demands and his attitude.

[BotheDMBFan]

Watching some tape of Taker and Punker's feud...I really would like them to go at it at WM.

[Speilmen230]

I don't know if I want punk to job to Undertaker.

[jackisback24]

There is pro wrestling wine???

http://www.eventwines.com/charity_wines_s/59.htm

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't know if I want punk to job to Undertaker.

If he would. I dunno, Taker wanted to put someone over and it's his decision if/when the streak ends.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wwepoker is shockingly baller.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1324495869

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfChWpFWLLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsqmvfAYVU

[CrashDMB237]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfChWpFWLLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsqmvfAYVU

Unbelievably pathetic :lol

Terrible acting, stupid premise, and a fucking cowboy with the last name Storm, rocker hair and a hell's angels cross? It looks like they tried to make a mix of John Morrison, the Dead Man Taker and Road Dogg :lol:lol:lol

More power to anyone who can find that shit entertaining.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Unbelievably pathetic :lol

Terrible acting, stupid premise, and a fucking cowboy with the last name Storm, rocker hair and a hell's angels cross? It looks like they tried to make a mix of John Morrison, the Dead Man Taker and Road Dogg :lol:lol:lol

More power to anyone who can find that shit entertaining.

For some reason I clicked the link too.

I can see how teens would like a guy who drinks beer.

But personally, I didn't think the promo was that great. Not the worst, but I found myself saying "ok, fake hell's angel guy, quit being so fucking articulate and get to the fucking point!"

I would have been more impressed if he chugged the beer before the promo instead of drinking it like a girl with a mike's hard lemonade.

"I'm gonna hurt you!" (slurp) "See you at the bar!" (slurp)

Chug the beer! Cut your fucking promo!





(slurp)

[CrashDMB237]

For some reason I clicked the link too.

I can see how teens would like a guy who drinks beer.

But personally, I didn't think the promo was that great. Not the worst, but I found myself saying "ok, fake hell's angel guy, quit being so fucking articulate and get to the fucking point!"

I would have been more impressed if he chugged the beer before the promo instead of drinking it like a girl with a mike's hard lemonade.

"I'm gonna hurt you!" (slurp) "See you at the bar!" (slurp)

Chug the beer! Cut your fucking promo!





(slurp)

This character is exactly what I mean when I say TNA feels empty. The guy's name is Cowboy... COWBOY. And you can't tell if he's a rockstar, a hick, a cowboy or a hell's angels member. They just throw a bunch of shit together, throw it at the wall and hope it sticks.

[BotheDMBFan]

But...Kurt got Tebowed?

[hbktonyb]

What the hell was that video? Pretty freakin bad :lol

[Doors Allan Coe]

This character is exactly what I mean when I say TNA feels empty. The guy's name is Cowboy... COWBOY. And you can't tell if he's a rockstar, a hick, a cowboy or a hell's angels member. They just throw a bunch of shit together, throw it at the wall and hope it sticks.

Yeah.

For instance, back in the 80's the Brooklyn Brawler would rub grease and grime on his clothes.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but a biker in fresh new threads, with perfectly groomed hair, sipping a beer that doesn't really scream "I'm badass. Fear me."...

If TNA were brilliant, they would book him at a PPV to ride a bull... after the ride have somebody attack him with a cattle prod... then bingo! a classic vince russo [insert random item] on a pole match...

[CrashDMB237]

Yeah.

For instance, back in the 80's the Brooklyn Brawler would rub grease and grime on his clothes.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but a biker in fresh new threads, with perfectly groomed hair, sipping a beer that doesn't really scream "I'm badass. Fear me."...

If TNA were brilliant, they would book him at a PPV to ride a bull... after the ride have somebody attack him with a cattle prod... then bingo! a classic vince russo [insert random item] on a pole match...

The biggest thing being overlooked here is... HES A COWBOY! He's not supposed to be a badass that people fear. I have never once seen a cowboy that wasn't a total gentleman... but TNA tries to make him a biker/rocker/badass.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The biggest thing being overlooked here is... HES A COWBOY! He's not supposed to be a badass that people fear. I have never once seen a cowboy that wasn't a total gentleman... but TNA tries to make him a biker/rocker/badass.

Looks like a biker to me...or a christian rocker...

I still think they need to book him to ride a bull at a PPV. Now that's fucking sports entertainment!

that would instantly up his street cred and he would go down in history. that's the type of stunt that people will talk about for years... ass long as it doesn't turn out like Bart Gunn v. Butterbean it's all good....

[Speilmen230]

From WrestleZone:

Report: Plans For A WWE Superstar Heel Turn

Several months ago I had commented and reported on the possibility and potential of a Daniel Bryan heel turn around the time he gets involved in the World Heavyweight Title picture.

F4Wonline.com confrims and is reporting that WWE has been considering a Daniel Bryan heel turn in the near future.

The report also claims that while Daniel Bryan has been a popular consideration, currently Big Show is in the front of the line when it comes to a major star on Smackdown going heel. The feeling is that if Big Show is going to work a WrestleMania 28 match with a celebrity, he should be a heel for the match.

[davidhamrick10]

Top 50 Wrestlers of 2011
http://rajah.com/base/node/25487


wow, I don't think I agree with this list at all.

[Speilmen230]

Christian should not be above Kurt or CM Punk, & Jeff Jarrett should not be on the list.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well, well, well. Look who's #11.

[bartender_man]

That list is hilarious! Randy Orton at 2? OK :lol

[CrashDMB237]

Holy shit that list is an abomination! Christian in the top 10?!?! That's only scratching the surface of the problems.

[BotheDMBFan]

Jun Akiyama not being on that list makes it hilariously awful.

[kingchrisII]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfChWpFWLLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsqmvfAYVU

The Storm promo was decent, the Angle video was fucking hilarious. I didn't watch Impact this week but after that I'm gonna have to download it. That was fucking great lol.

"This? This isn't a real gun, but I am going to bash you over the head with it."

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

That list sucks.

[K3nTaKa0s]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE officials have been giving serious consideration to the idea of pulling the WWE Title from CM Punk due to what are being called "terrible ratings patterns" for his segments on Raw.

According to the report, the idea of pulling the title from Punk was discussed prior to the TLC PPV, however the decision was ultimately made to have him go over in his Triple Threat bout against The Miz and Alberto Del Rio.

It didn't help matters that Punk's Raw ratings continued to decline the night after the PPV, when his main event segment featuing a 6 man tag match between him, Zack Ryder & Daniel Bryan vs The Miz, Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler only gained 59,000 viewers for the show's over run.

The Wrestling Observer report noted that the main event segment of Raw only drew a 2.67 cable rating, which is by far the lowest rated Raw main event of 2011 and possibly the lowest Raw main event rating since 1997 for a non-holiday show.
..

[hbktonyb]

^Such a dumb report. He is moving tons of merchandise.

[BotheDMBFan]

Exactly, Punk is WWE's cash cow at the moment. The ratings for WWE don't matter that much, considering they make roughly the same in advertising regardless, due to Vince and USA being smart and getting those advertiser's to sign on for longer term deals, as opposed to a week to week thing.

[BotheDMBFan]

The Storm promo was decent, the Angle video was fucking hilarious. I didn't watch Impact this week but after that I'm gonna have to download it. That was fucking great lol.

"This? This isn't a real gun, but I am going to bash you over the head with it."

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

That wasn't funny, that was bad. Kurt missing on one of those kicks is hilarious too.

[gocubsgo3822]

If they give the belt back to cena chief will be mad.

[BotheDMBFan]

I doubt it will be a "give the strap back to Cena" deal.

[BotheDMBFan]

If they give the belt back to Miz for an extended period of time, THEN I'd be pissed.

[JacobLovesYou]

A dip in ratings shows how much they watered down Punks character for months and now act like he should be as hot as he was in the summer just because he's finally getting his real chance. If they want higher ratings then have Punk start saying and doing unexpected things instead of just always saying "you guys know me, I say what I want!" every week.

Just have him DO stuff worth seeing instead of talking about doing stuff.

Go ahead with an "overthrow the establishment" angle have Punk wreaking havoc through WM. Have Jericho be Laurinitis' vision of the status quo for what a champion should be. Yadda yadda yadda sell a new shirt.

[kingchrisII]

That wasn't funny, that was bad. Kurt missing on one of those kicks is hilarious too.

I agree on the kick, I laughed about that too. Reminds me of about every single punt Orton has done recently...

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't remember Orton doing a punt in a while.

[kingchrisII]

I don't remember Orton doing a punt in a while.

I use the term recently loosely. You have to remember I don't watch wrestling religiously so recently = within the last year and a half or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tyM5N_D60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziFbtEcLiVA

[kingchrisII]

Merry Christmas all.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE star Alberto Del Rio was pulled from the talent listing for Monday's Raw television show. Meanwhile, he is also off the upcoming holiday tour lineups, including the Madison Square Garden event.

Source: PW.net

[bartender_man]

WWE star Alberto Del Rio was pulled from the talent listing for Monday's Raw television show. Meanwhile, he is also off the upcoming holiday tour lineups, including the Madison Square Garden event.

Source: PW.net


That's a good thing. I know he injured himself right? They need him off air for a bit, got stale.

[gocubsgo3822]

Chief likes ADR.. But he cant really cut a promo... Kinda like Ricardo more than ADR... Main bitch was mad at TLC when he didnt come out in a car

[JacobLovesYou]

Hopefully this sidelines him for a bit and they can bring him back revamped, maybe for a good midcard feud at WM.

[jackisback24]

The biggest thing being overlooked here is... HES A COWBOY! He's not suhave pposed to be a badass that people fear. I never once seen a cowboy that wasn't a total gentleman... but TNA tries to make him a biker/rocker/badass.
apparently you've never seen Terry Funk attack Mel Phillps.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE has confirmed that Alberto Del Rio suffered a groin tear that will sideline him for four to six weeks. "We were able to look at an MRI, and it appears as though he has a groin injury that’s severe enough to require surgery," Dr. Amann is quoted as saying on the WWE website. "Fortunately for Alberto, the surgery is minimally invasive and the recovery time is usually four to six weeks."

Source: PW.net

[BotheDMBFan]

Rumor has it that it'll be Big Show v Shaq at Wrestlemania, further proving that the E hates Show, and he has to have one of the worst WM win percentages for people who have won at least one match.

[jackisback24]

This Laurinitis thing has run its course.

[BotheDMBFan]

I dunno, I think this was the best thing he's done so far.

[gocubsgo3822]

Chief is 100% in on Funkman.. 100%. He is awesome heel to Punk.

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk needs a better foil, but Funkman is getting better. The problem is, he's not quite there and time is running out on it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Again, JL has two 5 star matches under his belt.

[gocubsgo3822]

Nah funkman is leaps and bounds better than he wasa when he started.. This is ok.. Problem is it is a dumb feud for Punk.... Punk needs a real title feud.

They are attempting to do McMahon Austin again.. But neither Punk or Austin are nearly as charismatic to pull it off..

[BotheDMBFan]

Right, he's way better than when he started. The problem is, that's not nearly good enough for what they're trying to do.

[BotheDMBFan]

I blame Kevin Nash for all of WWE's problems right now. This should be nearing the end of the HHH v Punk feud right now. They're ruining it.

[gocubsgo3822]

Chief thinks January second is shaneomac

[BotheDMBFan]

It's Mike Adamle.

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Booker T. So much.

[BotheDMBFan]

There's talk of moving Cena and/or CM Punk to Smackdown for a few months in the middle of next year to help them for when they start showing SD! on the network on a weekly (and possibly live) basis.

[gocubsgo3822]

Which means Punk is going to SD.... No chance they put Cena there..

[BotheDMBFan]

I could see them doing Cena to drum up numbers and to beg their parents into adding it to their cable package if it's something you have to pay extra for.

[BotheDMBFan]

There are also rumblings of a Cena v Bryan feud.

[gocubsgo3822]

I could see them doing Cena to drum up numbers and to beg their parents into adding it to their cable package if it's something you have to pay extra for.

That makes sense espescially if they are supershowing it

[BotheDMBFan]

Booker looked fucking lethargic.

[Rodey]

Booker is still awesome. Good match!

Jan. 2nd being Shane would make me mark.

[gocubsgo3822]

Cody should not lose to Ryder and booker two shows in a row

[BotheDMBFan]

Why is Henry wrestling with a fucked up groin?

[jackisback24]

Booker is still awesome. Good match!

Jan. 2nd being Shane would make me mark.
I'd rather see Shane Douglass then Shane o Mac. Maybe the Dudes can reform?

[BotheDMBFan]

Cody should not lose to Ryder and booker two shows in a row

I think it's good for the distant (well, distant for WWE) future for Cody. In 3-4 months when he's no longer shackled to the IC title and going for the WHC. This feud will push him to that. For that to be credible, he has to lose. He lost to Ryder because of Booker (and with Ryder being US champ, it's not a terribly "bad" loss any more. Ryder being a good not withstanding), and losing to an all timer who can still go isn't a bad thing either.

It's not like Cody is losing to one of the Usos and then Brooklyn Brawler.

[BotheDMBFan]

Clay is becoming the "Matt Damon is bumped" of the WWE. Love it.

Also, Andre had the shortest reign ever.

[gocubsgo3822]

Mixed tags are the worst

[jackisback24]

http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=122324

[BotheDMBFan]

Mixed tags are the worst

Crapsolutely.

[BotheDMBFan]

Hey Chief, are you going to Money in the Bank in Vegas?

[gocubsgo3822]

Unless dmb happened to be there no... Won't travel for wrestling... But maybe if you have rooms...

[gocubsgo3822]

It is 100 % boos for Cena... Wow

[BotheDMBFan]

Rooms should be easy.

[gocubsgo3822]

Unless these boos are piped in this is the biggest booing of Cena chief has ever heard...

[BotheDMBFan]

Money in the Bank was WAY worse.

[BotheDMBFan]

Fucking sweet. INCURABLE BLACKNESS! DIG IT!

[Rodey]

:lol

Truth is so awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's the problem with Christmas! You open up all the presents, AND THEN IT'S OVER!

[jackisback24]

The E is hotshotting for ratings tonight. Booker v. Rhodes already. Big Show gimmick match. Miz/Cena match/angle.

[jackisback24]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Kane is so fucking cool.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ricardo is so awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bellas being used as the hot whores they are. LOVE IT!

[BotheDMBFan]

I haven't seen Punk rock those ugly tights ever. Please never again.

[jackisback24]

just a guess but I think those "*'s" that Punk has on his tights and shirt is paying homage to the newsletters giving his matches 4 stars or 5 stars all these years. He is a tape trader and a big insider fan, so not shocked.

[jackisback24]

botchamania.

[BotheDMBFan]

just a guess but I think those "*'s" that Punk has on his tights and shirt is paying homage to the newsletters giving his matches 4 stars or 5 stars all these years. He is a tape trader and a big insider fan, so not shocked.

It's the flag of Chicago.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-il-ch.gif

For reference.

[YankeesDMB41]

i CANNOT WAIT until next weeks Raw...these vignettes have been amazing no matter what they lead to

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk also never read the Observer, according to a shoot he and Joe did together.

[BotheDMBFan]

Well that was odd.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Do you guys think this has been a good show?

[jackisback24]

haha...oh^

I don't believe he never read the Observer though.


Anyone notice that Perfect, Luger and Ziggler all start their matches with wet hair and it dries at the end of their match?

[BotheDMBFan]

Do you guys think this has been a good show?

I'd say it's been a fair show. Not nearly as good as last week.

[BotheDMBFan]

haha...oh^

I don't believe he never read the Observer though.


Anyone notice that Perfect, Luger and Ziggler all start their matches with wet hair and it dries at the end of their match?

By the time he was really coming up, the Observer wasn't nearly as important as it was.

[BotheDMBFan]

I would love for Kane to just randomly plug Ron Paul right now.

[jackisback24]

Kane morphing into Joker/Ledger? Interesting here if Cena eventually turns....they're playing with this every week though.

[Speilmen230]

Fuckin' A!

Dolph vs Punk for the WWE title net week on raw? Fuckin' Sweet.

[Speilmen230]

I really hate how they still use the low angle camera trick on big guys. It is truly annoying.

[bartender_man]

Anyone else dig the Kane segment? I thought that was pretty cool. Look forward to what happens with Cena. He does need to be re-invented- so sick of his current character.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Looking like they might be drifting away from Punk and going back to a more "Cena-centered" program.

[K3nTaKa0s]

By the way... Rob Van Dam vs. Kurt Angle on Thursday night.

[bartender_man]

By the way... Rob Van Dam vs. Kurt Angle on Thursday night.

Prediction?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Angle wins and James Storm gets involved.

[crush0617]

Angle wins and James Storm gets involved.

I know you are a big TNA guy and I am curious if you agree that they really need to get away from the impact center more often.

[CrashDMB237]

Looking like they might be drifting away from Punk and going back to a more "Cena-centered" program.

Thi is the most interesting Cena has been in years. I'm fine with it for as long as he isn't super Cena.

[CrashDMB237]

Fuckin' A!

Dolph vs Punk for the WWE title net week on raw? Fuckin' Sweet.

Should be awesome. And I'd put money on a Jericho appearance in the middle of it...

[Rodey]

By the way... Rob Van Dam vs. Kurt Angle on Thursday night.

This would have been awesome ten years ago.

[crush0617]

This would have been awesome ten years ago.

I agree with this but, Angle can still go in the ring.. RVD on the other hand imo is just collecting a pay check at this point.

[JacobLovesYou]

Haven't watched RAW yet, got it DVRd

[K3nTaKa0s]

I know you are a big TNA guy and I am curious if you agree that they really need to get away from the impact center more often.

I've said that countless, countless times.

[bartender_man]

Thi is the most interesting Cena has been in years. I'm fine with it for as long as he isn't super Cena.


If they keep pushing this storyline with Cena- I agree. As long as he does not come back with the usual- "People can boo me and that's fine, but I'm loyal to my true fans" crap.

[crush0617]

I've said that countless, countless times. lol ok than I did not know that. I agree I think it would really freshen up the product if at least 50% of the impacts were outside of the zone.

[crush0617]

If they keep pushing this storyline with Cena- I agree. As long as he does not come back with the usual- "People can boo me and that's fine, but I'm loyal to my true fans" crap.unfortunately that is probably what will happen. This Kane fued is just a holdover until the Rock thing starts up again.

[hbktonyb]

I'm loving this Cena storyline.

I think Punk/Angle is a great match. I'll watch TNA to see that.

[K3nTaKa0s]

After Raw went off the air, John Cena beat up Kane. WWE then set up a bonus main event cage match between WWE champion C.M. Punk and The Miz, which they announced during the taping.

Dark Match: WWE champion C.M. Punk beat The Miz in a steel cage match to retain the WWE Title. This was Punk's third overall match and third overall appearance at the taping. As a result, the crowd was quiet for Punk and his comeback.

Source: PWTorch

[JacobLovesYou]

RAW was good again. That's 2 in a row. This is the best they've used Cena in a really really long time. All of this character building for a heel turn at WM is great. I don't even need to see a Kane/Cena match. I'd like to see Cena/Miz through Elimination Chamber and Kane constantly egging Cena further and further. In the mean time have kane just destroy jobbers when hes not tormenting Cena.

[K3nTaKa0s]

You guys think they might throw the belt on Ziggler to transition it to Cena going into Wrestlemania?

[Rodey]

Colt Cabana @ColtCabana 10h
Zack Ryder & I will soon be taking bookings together as NAIRBOOM

:lol:lol:lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Alright, fellas. Five wrestling predictions for 2012...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Top 5 Wrestling Predictions for 2011:

1) Desmond Wolfe will become TNA World Heavyweight Champion.

2) Bill Goldberg will be involved in pro wrestling in some capacity.

3) Nexus will be an after-thought midway through the year.

4) Triple H will be WWE Champ after Wrestlemania.

5) Jack Swagger will make the jump to TNA.

I went 1/5.

[K3nTaKa0s]

2011 predictions:

Triple H returns in some fashion

Mr. Anderson wins TNA World Heavyweight Championship

A big name returns to WWE/TNA

John Cena wins WWE Championship twice

John Morrison will get the Jack Swagger treatment without the title reign

I don't think any of these predictions were reaches, which is what I was hoping for when I asked people to do this.

Cena won the title three times, I do believe.

[YankeesDMB41]

2012 Predictions

1. Chris Jericho will win the WWE Championship
2. Ziggler will become the top heel
3. Undertakers Streak Will end
4. Kane Wins The Rumble
5. Austin enters a wrestling storyline

[bartender_man]

2012 Predictions

1. Chris Jericho will win the WWE Championship
2. Ziggler will become the top heel
3. Undertakers Streak Will end
4. Kane Wins The Rumble
5. Austin enters a wrestling storyline


I could see all those happening except 1 and 3.

[bartender_man]

predictions 2012:

Kane wins rumble
NWO return in some capacity (a reach I know)
Cena turns heel at mania and defeats the rock
Zack Ryder momentum will falter later in the year
Dolph Ziggler will win the title at some point in the coming 12 months

[crush0617]

1. Robert Roode holds the belt until Bound for Glory where he loses to Storm (this would be fantastic)
2. Dolph wins the Rumble
3. Cena does NOT turn heal
4. Austin Wrestles at Summer Slam
5. The WWE network is a complete Flop

[crush0617]

You guys think they might throw the belt on Ziggler to transition it to Cena going into Wrestlemania?


I don't although it would not surprise me at all. The WWE has completely devalued there titles. They need to have Punk hold this thing for a while.

[BotheDMBFan]

Five Predictions for 2012

1. Cena turns heel, it fails, and they turn him back face at Survivor Series.
2. Zack Ryder wins Money in the Bank.
3. Alberto Del Rio becomes the top heel on Smackdown!
4. Randy Orton is the longest reigning world champion of the year on either brand.
5. Brock Lesnar returns to WWE.

[davidhamrick10]

Five Predictions for 2012

1. Cena turns heel, it fails, and they turn him back face at Survivor Series.
2. Zack Ryder wins Money in the Bank.
3. Alberto Del Rio becomes the top heel on Smackdown!
4. Randy Orton is the longest reigning world champion of the year on either brand.
5. Brock Lesnar returns to WWE.
Might want to rethink that one.
He's out for awhile.

[BotheDMBFan]

Might want to rethink that one.
He's out for awhile.

I've heard nothing confirming anything other than it's probably a BS, storyline injury. Unless you have something else.

[BotheDMBFan]

Some places are saying he's pretty much fine, others are saying out until Wrestlemania. Even if the worst case scenario holds, I stand by my prediction.

[davidhamrick10]

Some places are saying he's pretty much fine, others are saying out until Wrestlemania. Even if the worst case scenario holds, I stand by my prediction.
I justed checked my normal source(Rajah) and they said up to 6 months. I could see a fake injury angle with him as a suprise entry in the Rumble and winning ala Cena a few years back. Since it's in St. Louis I could defintly see that happening.

[Rodey]

1. The Rock returns on a full-time basis after WrestleMania (for how long, I do not know. But at least for awhile).
2. Ryder wins Money In The Bank (stole this, but I like it).
3. Dolph Ziggler becomes the top heel in the WWE.
4. Del Rio's gimmick is tweaked and he becomes the wealthy douchebag that he should be, doing anything necessary to win (much like DiBiase back in the day).
5. Batista returns.

[jackisback24]

I thought the Wade Barrett slam of Orton on the table last week looked kinda awkward.

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/96-wwe/23543-orton-update

[jackisback24]

1. Macho Man goes into the Hall of Fame
2. WM is the top grossing wrestling event of all time
3. Foley is involved in a few angles
4. Morrison and Melina appear in TNA
5. Brock Lesnar goes on leave in UFC again (I know, but he was a WWE champ once)

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Raw on Monday, December 26 scored a 2.93 rating, essentially flat with a 2.92 rating last week after the TLC PPV. It's the fourth consecutive week Raw has scored below a 3.00 rating.

Source: PWTorch

[CrashDMB237]

It's also the fourth consecutive week I haven't given a shit.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Thanks for chiming in with something useful.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm not going to be shocked to see Punker move to SD! soon-ish if Orton is actually injured.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE officials held a meeting last week after the RAW ratings came in, during which Michael Cole's commentary was discussed according to F4Wonline.com. TV rating's patterns show fans have little interest in seeing anyone on TV besides the top Superstars. It was considered that a reason why might be Cole's continual burial of talent on Raw and Smackdown for the past year or so..

[waterboy100]

WWE officials held a meeting last week after the RAW ratings came in, during which Michael Cole's commentary was discussed according to F4Wonline.com. TV rating's patterns show fans have little interest in seeing anyone on TV besides the top Superstars. It was considered that a reason why might be Cole's continual burial of talent on Raw and Smackdown for the past year or so..

well no shit. if all you do is bury talent then people arent going to care about said talent.

[crush0617]

well no shit. if all you do is bury talent then people arent going to care about said talent.


Exactly Cole's character is not good for getting over talent. If they want him to be this character he should be a manager

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1325129359

[CrashDMB237]

Thanks for chiming in with something useful.

Oh the irony :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh the irony :lol

You are an iron!

[JacobLovesYou]

Inconsistent booking is also a problem. They should've made Cole the Laurinaitis character.

[Rodey]

The problem with Cole is that he doesn't have a strong counterpart. Lawler is absolutely abysmal these days and is terrible at countering the negative things Cole hits on.

[waterboy100]

The problem with Cole is that he doesn't have a strong counterpart. Lawler is absolutely abysmal these days and is terrible at countering the negative things Cole hits on.

It's also hard to make a counterpoint to 'he's a nerd/dorm/feedb" or "he sucks" its like arguing with a 5 year old.

[Rodey]

It's also hard to make a counterpoint to 'he's a nerd/dorm/feedb" or "he sucks" its like arguing with a 5 year old.

This is true too. I thought it was funny at first, but he's carried out his shtick way too long.

[K3nTaKa0s]

An update from the Smackdown house show...

UPDATE x5: It was announced at tonight's Smackdown house show in Detroit that Randy Orton will be out for six months. Refunds were offered to anyone who wanted to get them at the show.

Credit: Wrestling Observer

[jackisback24]

An update from the Smackdown house show...

UPDATE x5: It was announced at tonight's Smackdown house show in Detroit that Randy Orton will be out for six months. Refunds were offered to anyone who wanted to get them at the show.

Credit: Wrestling Observer
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=13217834&postcount=33433

[K3nTaKa0s]

I tried to tell people on here about Cole months ago, but all they wanted to say was, "Well, he's better than Tazz."

[CrashDMB237]

I tried to tell people on here about Cole months ago, but all they wanted to say was, "Well, he's better than Tazz."

If he's better than the alternative then what's there to discuss? We know he's annoying (by design) and being misused. What are we gonna do, sit here and complain about it?

[K3nTaKa0s]

What's there to discuss? Why is Jim Ross on the sideline while Cole continues to destroy the television product? Man.. you just don't see it, do you? Probably never will.

Why wouldn't you complain about it?

[CrashDMB237]

What's there to discuss? Why is Jim Ross on the sideline while Cole continues to destroy the television product? Man.. you just don't see it, do you? Probably never will.

Why wouldn't you complain about it?

Bolded brought some actualy real life, out loud :lol'z

But hey since you seem to know all about what JR does for the WWE and his personal life, why don't you tell ME why he's on the sideline?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Because Vince wants Cole on play by play instead of Jim Ross?

Maybe one day you guys will realize that I just don't pick random things to complain about in WWE.

Amazing how often I'm right on here.

[CrashDMB237]

Because Vince wants Cole on play by play instead of Jim Ross?

Maybe one day you guys will realize that I just don't pick random things to complain about in WWE.

Amazing how often I'm right on here.

It's amazing how often you think you're right when in reality you have no clue what you're talking about and you make yourself look like a fool in the process. But you go on and keep being right about everything. I wish someone would educate you on the business.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Maybe you should educate me on the business.

But anyway... Impact tonight. Looking forward to Rob Van Dam / Kurt Angle. Hopefully they get some time.

[CrashDMB237]

Maybe you should educate me on the business.

But anyway... Impact tonight. Looking forward to Rob Van Dam / Kurt Angle. Hopefully they get some time.

If I could, I would. It's not my place. Others have tried, especially Doors, but you don't want to hear it. I will watch this match tonight with an open mind to see if I was wrong about RVD. But I don't think I was. Or anyone else who said he's a shell of his former self was.

[JacobLovesYou]

Cole isn't EXACTLY the problem. The problem is that he's a heel play by play guy with a boring partner. He goes from saying "Can you believe this idiot CM Punk, he sucks!" to "And a thunderous elbow drop by Punk! Vintage Punk!!" and Lawler just sits there and goes "Oh man!"

In my opinion, the biggest problem they have with Cole is that he has by far the most credibility right now. He has to talk 90% of the time on RAW. He should follow the Heenan style and be as ignorant as possible. If a heel does it, it's good strategy, and if a face does it, he's a cheater, no matter what. No more "Vintage Cena!" Lawler should be gone, and Matthews should be strict play by play with JR as the face color commentator and Cole as the heel color commentator.

If the Cole problem can't be corrected then get him out from behind the table. He has good heat, make him an important manager. Make him Lauranitis' number one henchmen. Maybe the biggest problem is that over the past 2 years we've had to care way too much about announcers.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Maybe you should educate me on the business.

But anyway... Impact tonight. Looking forward to Rob Van Dam / Kurt Angle. Hopefully they get some time.

Unlike last time...

They promoted IMPACT as wrestling. They even ran commericals on ESPN Radio promoting the return of wrestling. They put together music montages and backstage promos talking about how important wrestling is. Then, we get a 7 minutes match featuring Jeff Jarrett talking about himself the entire time. They even found time to split screen the match and Jeff Jarrett talking.

Boy was that a totally rotten re-launch.

That honestly is my top reason TNA sucks. "The shitty re-launch"

5) "Goldust carrying a rat opening a heavily promoted live TV show"
4) "TNA opening against RAW with a cone shaped cage match that the worker couldn't even escape"
3) "Employing Vince Russo"
2) "Somehow ruining Kurt Angle v. Samoa Joe"
1) .."The Shitty Re-launch"

[K3nTaKa0s]

Why don't you watch it more than once a year and then get back to me.

Vince Russo isn't even the head writer anymore. Why do people still bring his name up?

Wrestling is important in TNA. Just because every match isn't 20 minutes with zero backstory doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

I explained this when I had this argument last year.

Totally rotten re-launch? They sure lost so many viewers after that show. Hell, I'm surprised they're still in business.

If Dustin Rhodes is a reason why TNA sucks, then I really don't even need to respond to any more of these posts. He hasn't been with TNA since 2008.

Maybe I should come on here and say that a reason why Raw sucks is because of Shelton Benjamin.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE's 2012 PPV schedule is shaping up as follows. (Some PPVs will be shifted to WWE Network, as reported by Sports Business Daily earlier this month. Also of note is more time in-between non-marquee PPVs, as opposed to a condensed fall schedule in 2011.)

-- Jan. 30: Royal Rumble
-- Feb. 19: Elimination Chamber
-- Apr. 1: WrestleMania 28
-- Apr. 29: Extreme Rules
-- May 20: Over the Limit
-- June 17: Bragging Rights (replacing Capitol Punishment)
-- July 15: Money in the Bank
-- Aug. 19: Summerslam
-- Sept. 16: Night of Champions
-- Oct. 7: Hell in a Cell
-- Oct. 28: Vengeance
-- Nov. 18: Survivor Series
-- Dec. 16: TLC

Source: PWTorch

[bartender_man]

WWE's 2012 PPV schedule is shaping up as follows. (Some PPVs will be shifted to WWE Network, as reported by Sports Business Daily earlier this month. Also of note is more time in-between non-marquee PPVs, as opposed to a condensed fall schedule in 2011.)

-- Jan. 30: Royal Rumble
-- Feb. 19: Elimination Chamber
-- Apr. 1: WrestleMania 28
-- Apr. 29: Extreme Rules
-- May 20: Over the Limit
-- June 17: Bragging Rights (replacing Capitol Punishment)
-- July 15: Money in the Bank
-- Aug. 19: Summerslam
-- Sept. 16: Night of Champions
-- Oct. 7: Hell in a Cell
-- Oct. 28: Vengeance
-- Nov. 18: Survivor Series
-- Dec. 16: TLC

Source: PWTorch


They don't need that many PPV'S- god, it really ruins things because all stories get rushed. I think they should keep the big 4, money in the bank, and maybe one other. Ditch the rest.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Why don't you watch it more than once a year and then get back to me.

Vince Russo isn't even the head writer anymore. Why do people still bring his name up?

Wrestling is important in TNA. Just because every match isn't 20 minutes with zero backstory doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

I explained this when I had this argument last year.

Totally rotten re-launch? They sure lost so many viewers after that show. Hell, I'm surprised they're still in business.

If Dustin Rhodes is a reason why TNA sucks, then I really don't even need to respond to any more of these posts. He hasn't been with TNA since 2008.

Maybe I should come on here and say that a reason why Raw sucks is because of Shelton Benjamin.


Those were MY top 5 reasons TNA sucks. They don't represent why other people don't like it.

You don't get it man. TNA isn't just what was on TV last week or last month. It's a body of work. It's a promotion trying to pull in fringe viewers. I am one of those viewers. I have personally tuned into TNA many times over the years for various reasons. As you can see by my list I don't dislike TNA because of yesterday or last week, I dislike them because of years of let downs and terrible mistakes.

The IMPACT re-launch was a failure. They put marketing muscle into re-branding the company and they put together a show that was exactly the opposite. They've tried to challenge RAW and failed miserably. They tired to go live and failed.

Just because I dislike TNA doesn't mean I dislike you. Who ever thought a wrestling company with Flair/Hogan/Angle/Sting/Joe/Styles/RVD and so many others would be so unwatchable? I never imagined that. I don't just hate TNA because I prefer the WWE. I don't watch the WWE. It's not for me. TNA should interest me. But, everytime I personally have been lured by advertising to watch the show I am rarely entertained. I dislike TNA because of YEARS or terrible bait and switch tactics and huge let downs.

They tricked my into tuning in for RVD/Angle once before. That's the mark of a shitty company when a RVD mark like me won't even tune in for that one. Last time they advertised it as some dream match and they delivered a 7 minute Jeff Jarrett infomercial. Fuck them. What a waste of money and talent.


I do have a question for you.

What show am I talking about when Goldust carrying a rat opened? I know it was an event they advertised heavily for. I don't know if it was the move to Thursday or the first live Impact or what. But, I know I specifically tuned in looking to be entertained and I ended up baffled.

[Doors Allan Coe]

They don't need that many PPV'S- god, it really ruins things because all stories get rushed. I think they should keep the big 4, money in the bank, and maybe one other. Ditch the rest.

I'm hoping that moving some of the PPVS to cable will make the big events feel more important.

Maybe more people will buy PPV if they only have to shell out money once every few months. Plus, since it's on cable they won't feel like need to sell big time matches every month. But, maybe that's wishful thinking.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well.. they tried to go live against Raw and failed. I think the results may have been a little better had they stayed on Monday nights, rather than going back to Thursdays for several weeks before going back again to Monday nights. They pulled a nice rating the first Monday, but I think they lost a lot of those viewers after going back to Thursdays the following week.

Don't know what episode that was. Rhodes wasn't a part of TNA when I started watching in January 2010.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well.. they tried to go live against Raw and failed. I think the results may have been a little better had they stayed on Monday nights, rather than going back to Thursdays for several weeks before going back again to Monday nights. They pulled a nice rating the first Monday, but I think they lost a lot of those viewers after going back to Thursdays the following week.

Don't know what episode that was. Rhodes wasn't a part of TNA when I started watching in January 2010.

I think it was because the live show was terrible and the rating shrunk from that point on. That is another example of a great chance to aquire more viewers squandered. They improved the audience by 50% then it vanished.

Historically they have been able to draw in new viewers, but they haven't been able to keep them. Monday Night Wars, Impact re-launch, and several other promotional tactics spiked ratings but none actually added a tangible number is long term viewers...

[K3nTaKa0s]

I don't think they spiked a big rating for the re-launch. I think their biggest ratings in 2011 were when Sting returned and the show after Bound For Glory.

Edit: I don't think they've ever improved the audience by 50% in a week's time.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I don't think they spiked a big rating for the re-launch. I think their biggest ratings in 2011 were when Sting returned and the show after Bound For Glory.

Edit: I don't think they've ever improved the audience by 50% in a week's time.

Well, I think I remember TNA's Monday debut getting a 1.5 rating. I figured since they usually drew around or below a 1.0 that 1.5 would be a 50% increase.

Instead of that 1.5 growing, it shrunk back to normal.

That's because the product is lame and the fringe viewers that do tune in tune out shortly after they realize it's just as lame as the last time they tuned in.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Same could be said about WWE. The Rock comes on, they get a ratings bump.. the people don't like what they see from the rest of the show, they don't tune in the week after.

TNA has evolved since the beginning of 2009.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well, I think I remember TNA's Monday debut getting a 1.5 rating. I figured since they usually drew around or below a 1.0 that 1.5 would be a 50% increase.

Instead of that 1.5 growing, it shrunk back to normal.

That's because the product is lame and the fringe viewers that do tune in tune out shortly after they realize it's just as lame as the last time they tuned in.

I think the Hogan debut segment in the second hour did a 1.9. Highest quarterhour rating for Impact ever.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Same could be said about WWE. The Rock comes on, they get a ratings bump.. the people don't like what they see from the rest of the show, they don't tune in the week after.

TNA has evolved since the beginning of 2009.

I'm sure that's true.

But, directly comparing the two doesn't do justice to the WWE. They travel year round. They film a live show weekly from a new venue. They will soon have a network and already have a profitable film department.

I judge both TNA and the WWE as a whole. I'm just assuming TNAs highest rating ever was it's first night against RAW. It's bombed. The opener was one botch after another. Homicide couldn't even climb out of the cage to win the match. It literally was one of the single worst moments I've seen.

To you that means nothing. But, to me it illustrates the absolute lunacy TNA operates under. Why open with a cage match? To draw most viewers. But, it kind of backfires when you can't even finish the match because the concept is ridiculous.

WWE and Vince Mcmahon truthfully couldn't really give a fuck it if somebody like me tuned in. But, TNA on the otherhand directly caters to me. They constantly bring in guys I enjoyed and they advertise on ESPN Radio and other local media outlets. They constanly promise something great and they never have deilvered when I tuned in. That is why I think they stink. Not because they don't put on a show I like, but because they constantly try and convince me via advertising and hot shot booking that they are the long lost promotion disengaged fans are looking for...but, time and time again they prove they aren't.

As a fan you can forgive them. As somebody who dabbled in wrestling I find it embarassing that with all the years of service they have in the lockerroom that something as simple as a hot opener couldn't be produced for the biggest TV event in the history of the company. That doesn't even begin to critique the rest of the show, That's just first impressions. It's pretty hard to dream up a match that you CAN'T finish. In fact that is possibly the only match in history that a winner couldn't be determined, not by booking, but by mistake.

[gocubsgo3822]

WWE's 2012 PPV schedule is shaping up as follows. (Some PPVs will be shifted to WWE Network, as reported by Sports Business Daily earlier this month. Also of note is more time in-between non-marquee PPVs, as opposed to a condensed fall schedule in 2011.)

-- Jan. 30: Royal Rumble
-- Feb. 19: Elimination Chamber
-- Apr. 1: WrestleMania 28
-- Apr. 29: Extreme Rules
-- May 20: Over the Limit
-- June 17: Bragging Rights (replacing Capitol Punishment)
-- July 15: Money in the Bank
-- Aug. 19: Summerslam
-- Sept. 16: Night of Champions
-- Oct. 7: Hell in a Cell
-- Oct. 28: Vengeance
-- Nov. 18: Survivor Series
-- Dec. 16: TLC

Source: PWTorch


Jesus Elimination Chamber is close to Rumble... 3 weeks.. Wow

[K3nTaKa0s]

They've had those matches before ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoMIodwsU5w ). I don't think it's a ridiculous concept, but they don't do the Steel Asylum matches anymore. The match probably shouldn't have been a no contest, however. I guess it was just a way to introduce Jeff Hardy at the beginning of the show.

Maybe you expect too much? I don't know.

I'm not sure what wrestling fans want.

[Doors Allan Coe]

They've had those matches before ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoMIodwsU5w ). I don't think it's a ridiculous concept, but they don't do the Steel Asylum matches anymore. The match probably shouldn't have been a no contest, however. I guess it was just a way to introduce Jeff Hardy at the beginning of the show.

Maybe you expect too much? I don't know.

I'm not sure what wrestling fans want.

Um. I would have really enjoyed an opener the produced a winner. Even an opener the clearly didn't end in confusion would have been great.

WATCH this EVERYBODY!!
http://youtu.be/hIPyk2wXImM

This is the finish of the match. This is the finish of the FIRST match on TNA's FIRST Monday Night show... Sorry man, but I expect more than that. If you haven't watched the fucking terrible terrible finish, please watch.

I don't think I expect too much. I think expecting the show not to be totally fucked up in the 1st 15 minutes is a reasonable expectation...

Edit: This surely must have impressed WWE fans who were tuning into TNA for the first time...

[K3nTaKa0s]

At the end of the day.. Hogan's segment later in the show was the highest quarterhour ever.

More people watched Hogan's segment than the Steel Asylum match that opened the show. They must not have been too turned off by the opening segment if they turned Impact back on later in the show DURING Raw.

What do you want me to say about Homicide?

[Doors Allan Coe]

At the end of the day.. Hogan's segment later in the show was the highest quarterhour ever.

More people watched Hogan's segment than the Steel Asylum match that opened the show. They must not have been too turned off by the opening segment if they turned Impact back on later in the show DURING Raw.

What do you want me to say about Homicide?

Because Hogan was a draw when he joined TNA. Now he is not.

Hogan was bigger than TNA, now he's a 1.0 also.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm going to go watch Impact.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Because Hogan was a draw when he joined TNA. Now he is not.

Hogan was bigger than TNA, now he's a 1.0 also.

I bet Bound For Glory did TNA's highest buyrate of the year.

Seeya later. Maybe someone else will come on here and discuss 2010 TNA with you.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I bet Bound For Glory did TNA's highest buyrate of the year.

Seeya later. Maybe someone else will come on here and discuss 2010 TNA with you.

I'm disucssing TNA as a company.

You are blocking out anything that hasn't happened in the past year or doesn't support the idea that TNA hasn't grown because it can't attract new views. Even though they've drawn new fans many times and each time failed to keep them.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well.. what should they do differently?

TNA is growing. Just because they're not gaining new television viewers doesn't mean they're not growing.

Are you familiar with Ring Ka King? It's a pretty big deal.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE announced Thursday that Randy Orton could only miss "a few weeks" with an injury, as opposed to what was believed to be up to six months.

Source: PWTorch

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Very solid episode of Impact tonight.

[BotheDMBFan]

Please God let Randy be ok.

[JacobLovesYou]

Did he get hurt from the Wastelands through the table?

[BotheDMBFan]

Did he get hurt from the Wastelands through the table?

It could have happened with him just standing up awkwardly. Disc problems are weird.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/247311-tna-wrestlers-told-not-to-communicate-directly-wdixie-carter

[jackisback24]

Same could be said about WWE. The Rock comes on, they get a ratings bump.. the people don't like what they see from the rest of the show, they don't tune in the week after.

TNA has evolved since the beginning of 2009.

K3--I don't want to pile on here as I think both the E and TNA could make vast improvements in many areas quite frankly, but for the record, when TNA was on Fox Sports Net and were marketed as a wrestling group with 4 star matches that were consistently happening every month, their buyrates for their PPVs were either even or better then what they're doing now, complete with being on a better network with more stars. TNA would orgasm if they could generate 30,000 buys right now for a PPV.

[CrashDMB237]

Same could be said about WWE. The Rock comes on, they get a ratings bump.. the people don't like what they see from the rest of the show, they don't tune in the week after.

This is a bullshit way to look at it. So you're saying people decided to tune in to see the Rock after a few years of not watching wrestling, who they probably watched years ago back when they were following wrestling consistently, and then didn't watch the week after when the Rock wasn't on because they didn't like the product that they saw?

No shit someone who was the face of the company is going to draw ratings, but let's look at how the ratings compare when Rock isn't on WWE compared to when Hogan isn't on TNA.

[CrashDMB237]

Am I the only one other than Mr. TNA that saw the RVD/Angle match? That was horseshit. RVD looks so out of shape it's not even funny. I can't believe it was even a discussion that he's pulling off the same moves that he was in the late 90s. 6 minutes of a match that ends in a DQ? Awful TV.

[Speilmen230]

Looks like Prichard has quickly risen through the ranks to the top spot. Maybe he can bring in some other guys who weren't apart of WCW and get some nice level headed production and writing going on. I watched a small bit of Impact last night and honestly most of it wasn't god awful. If they keep pushing fresh faces and keep storylines down to earth i think they can have a pretty solid product with the right people in charge.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This is a bullshit way to look at it. So you're saying people decided to tune in to see the Rock after a few years of not watching wrestling, who they probably watched years ago back when they were following wrestling consistently, and then didn't watch the week after when the Rock wasn't on because they didn't like the product that they saw?


That's my assessment. I think it's pretty fair.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Am I the only one other than Mr. TNA that saw the RVD/Angle match? That was horseshit. RVD looks so out of shape it's not even funny. I can't believe it was even a discussion that he's pulling off the same moves that he was in the late 90s. 6 minutes of a match that ends in a DQ? Awful TV.

How long have you been watching wrestling?

[CrashDMB237]

How long have you been watching wrestling?

I've told you this before. The last time you asked like how long someone watches matters in their opinion on what they see on tv. I started watching mid 90s right around the time of the Caesars Palace WrestleMania. That's one of my first memories. I watched religiously until about 02 then fell out of it for a while. Got back into it casually a few years later. Interest was piqued when TNA started and I was extremely far from impressed so I said screw it because I didn't like either product. Then about a year ago I started getting back into it and actually following it. And since then I've done plenty past just watching it on tv and going to shows.

So does my opinion matter any less or more now?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Not really. Sorry.

At least I called it... http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=13213755&postcount=33394

[CrashDMB237]

:lol:lol:lol

I'm assuming you didn't really want me to respond. For your own sake.

[waterboy100]

2 things.

1. a quick fan made promo about the summer of punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rz38IwXKG0
2. good god damn stephanie looks good: http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/s/stephaniemcmahon/gallery/workout/tyg-020951.php?gal=1&pic=2

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

this red headed wrestler is so pale it makes me sick to my stomach to look at him. honestly i cant.

[K3nTaKa0s]

PW Torch reports that Impact Wrestling ended the year with a 1.17 rating average. That rating is way up from a 2010 that say Impact shift around the schedule, when it earned a 1.06 overall rating and a 1.11 rating specifically on Thursdays. Compared to 2009's 1.15 rating, the 2011 rating was slightly up. Below are the last five years of yearly averages for the show:

2007 - 1.05 rating (expanded to two hours late 2007)
2008 - 1.06 rating
2009 - 1.15 rating
2010 - 1.06 rating / 1.11 rating Thursdays
2011 - 1.17 rating

[gocubsgo3822]

Lesnar retired from mma after losing tonight. Assume we will see him at mania

[JacobLovesYou]

Lesnar got beat and announced hes retiring from ufc... so long is it until hes back on WWE... within a year? Never? Win the Royal Rumble? lol

[JacobLovesYou]

The chief beat me to the announcement!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Angle/Lesnar at Bound For Glory 2012. :)

[gocubsgo3822]

Angle/Lesnar at Bound For Glory 2012. :)

:lol:lol:lol no chance he goes to AA when majors will be waiting.

Don't think he wins rumble.. Maybe he is January second person?

[JacobLovesYou]

He can't be January 2, cause if he won tonight he might not have retired.

[gocubsgo3822]

Unless they are booking on the fly...would not shock me

[JacobLovesYou]

Here's a theory: they're going through with this elaborate Cena heel turn because they knew Brock was coming back. It definitely destroys the "they can't financially afford to turn Cena" argument.

[gocubsgo3822]

Chief didn't watch when Lesnar was around... But did he sell that much merch? Still refuse to believe they 100% turn Cena

[JacobLovesYou]

I didn't watch much then either, and the roster had some more veteran money makers then so idk. But I would think he'd do great business for them now.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I wonder if Hulk makes a call to Brock. Brock owes Hogan one after he put Lesnar over cleeeeeeeeeeean as a whistle in 2002.