Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[K3nTaKa0s]

I felt the same from what i saw. Is the PPV here in the states tonight?

The beautiful Impact Zone.

[Speilmen230]

They should have stayed over there and done the PPV from there. Sacrificed some the seating for a nice big set and had it in front of a WWE sized live audience.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm not sure what they'd do with the 5-hour time difference and they wouldn't have Spike off-setting the costs, either.

[K3nTaKa0s]

As of this afternoon, our sources are telling us that Dave Lagana is working at the TNA Against All Odds PPV tonight in the capacity of helping with pre-taped segments only. It is said to be premature or inaccurate to say he has received as promotion and is replacing Vince Russo.

That said, changes are definitely in the works. Russo's absence tonight and Lagana's presence have definitely accelerated rumors of pending changes.

Russo may or may not be completely out of TNA, but something is going on regarding his status in or role with the company. No official announcement has been made to staff or wrestlers regarding changes in the creative structure in Orlando today.

The lackluster ratings for the TNA Impact wrestling shows in London, England may have been the final straw for some changes to be made within creative.

Lagana was a long-term WWE Creative Team member in WWE in the 2000s, including roles as head writer of ECW and Smackdown. He worked more recently as a producer for Ring of Honor.

He was hired by TNA late last year and was involved in the Ring Ka King spinoff promotion in India that TNA is operating. Because of his experience, many people within TNA felt it was inevitable that he'd be first in line to replace Russo if Dixie Carter lost confidence in Russo's contributions to TNA's creative system.

Bruce Prichard was recently promoted to Head of Creative, so presumably he'd be involved in the decision to make changes to Russo's role within TNA Creative and to add to Lagana's duties.

Again, two top level sources within TNA say there is no firm news to report in this regard, and no announcement has been made to talent or staff.

Russo, though, not being at the PPV tonight is said to be related to a potential shake-up, and Lagana's presence helping with pre-tapes is a sign that he would be in line to at least fill the gap left by Russo if he were to leave, as Russo helped with pre-taping segments for TV

Source: PWTorch

[K3nTaKa0s]

-The latest information is that Eric Bischoff would have been part of the decision to shift Vince Russo out of a position of power within the TNA Creative Structure. Our sources are guessing he's out, but details are being worked out. Nothing is confirmed, but the latest feeling is that he won't be retained in any capacity with TNA and details are being worked out.

-A Russo exit would mean more power and influence from Eric Bischoff, who has had an up and down relationship with Russo over the years, but consistently disagreed with him philosophically on how to approach booking and storytelling.

-Bruce Prichard remains the head of creative, with an official title as Senior V.P. of Programming and Talent Relations. Whereever Dave Lagana lands within the structure, he'd be working under Prichard and answering to Prichard and Bischoff.

-As of now, Lagana's role doesn't appear to be taking over the scope of duties that Russo had, and he is at this point only doing pre-tapes. He may end up helping write the actual Impact scripts, but creative direction would still be decided by Bischoff and Prichard.

-Nothing official is being said regarding Russo. If Russo were in good standing, by now someone in the know would have stepped up to quell rumors.

-Dave Lagana is downplaying his role, indicating he has not been promoted to Russo's old position. Another source says firmly that Lagana is helping with pre-tapes and may be in line for promotions, but along with Matt Conway, he is simply part of the creative structure and not in a position of power like Russo had (although diminished lately compared to recent years).

Source: PWTorch

[Speilmen230]

I'm not sure what they'd do with the 5-hour time difference and they wouldn't have Spike off-setting the costs, either.

All very good points. I just really felt like the London crowds helped the look and feel of the product ten-fold.

[K3nTaKa0s]

They did.

[Speilmen230]

Any idea how much of the bill Spike fronted?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I have no idea.

[K3nTaKa0s]

As expected, Aries and Shelley just delivered.

[Speilmen230]

How to preserve a 9 game lead in september

-the boston redsox

what in the fuck is your avatar. shit is disturbing

:lol I thought this was great. GoCubs' avatar is Kane.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Eric Bischoff, Controversy
As much as I try not to call out specific dirt-site marks/bloggers as not to inadvertently promote them, Mike Johnson is a complete tool (obviously being fed false, mis-leading info from another tool "close to the source". Johnson couldn't be more wrong when he posts his "insight" as to the behind the scenes.

lolololol

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/249557-photo-kane-unmasked-during-wwe-tour-of-abu-dhabi

Guess Kane has been wearing a wig or extensions.

[CrashDMB237]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/249557-photo-kane-unmasked-during-wwe-tour-of-abu-dhabi

Guess Kane has been wearing a wig or extensions.

Kane's hair has been fake since the inception of his character I believe. Then he went with the bald stuff, now he's back to the fake hair.

[Speilmen230]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTftk6ItdxPl4Pg7kNUzV8KEzEBq2Jt vpErvoeczCO95BBjqPETO6lw6OOFg

this really crappy picture says otherwise.

[Rodey]

HBK tonight? Could be kind of interesting.

[CrashDMB237]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTftk6ItdxPl4Pg7kNUzV8KEzEBq2Jt vpErvoeczCO95BBjqPETO6lw6OOFg

this really crappy picture says otherwise.

I meant masked Kane with black greasy hair, my bad.

[crush0617]

didn't see the PPV last night but, I like the fact they put the tag titles on Joe and magnus - the Jonus Brothers :)
Magnus has tons of potential imo ..Crimson is horrible.

Looking forward to see the show stopper on Raw tonight.

[ProphetofJit]

Ugh .........

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow. This is bad.

[Rodey]

Does Jericho's chest look really weird do anyone else? It's like caved in.

n/h

[jackisback24]

n/h = lulz.

What's happened? At work.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Opening segment was a debate between the participants in the Elimination Chamber.

[ProphetofJit]

His chest definitely looks weird.

[keithcoldroses]

YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!

Best gimmick 2012

[jackisback24]

YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!

Best gimmick 2012
dude, who in the blue hell are you???

And what happened????

[keithcoldroses]

This is my 73rd post in this thread man.

And Daniel Bryan's YES! YES! YES! YES! is what I was referring to.

[keithcoldroses]

That was 74. This is 75.

YES!
YES!
YES!
YES!
YES!
YES!
YES!

[kingchrisII]

OH SNAP... wwwyki!

[JRS1386]

So I am stuck in the lab doing work but reading the b/r updates and it seems like Raw is sucking hard. Am I wrong?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I can't wait until Vince Russo is writing for WWE. :) :) :)

[Rodey]

Is this a Cena heel turn?

[JRS1386]

What happened?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hey, let's promote Chris Jericho's return well in advance only for him to end up being just another guy on the roster.

[gocubsgo3822]

Can HBK still take a bump?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Can HBK still take a bump?

I don't see why not.

[CrashDMB237]

Hey, let's promote Chris Jericho's return well in advance only for him to end up being just another guy on the roster.

:lol:lol:lol

Oh please, when people said it would be Jericho you were saying OMFG would you guys really be happy if it was Jericho? Now he's not main eventing in his first month back and you're ragging on that? Stay consistent. It makes some pretty decent sense to me. You can't ram a guy down the audience's throat for two months then have him win a title shot at EC, which I'm assuming he will. That's total overkill.

Edit: Truth at the beginning of the show was GOLD.

[Speilmen230]

This HHH/HBK segment is awesome.

[bartender_man]

This HHH/HBK segment is awesome.

Fully agreed. That was pretty sweet. Also liked the twist with Cena/Zack. They really are teasing a heel turn big time. Got to happen at Wrestlemania.

[bartender_man]

I can't wait until Vince Russo is writing for WWE. :) :) :)

They'll never take that trash... lol

[Speilmen230]

and these Undertaker Vids are some of the best since the early 2000s.

[Speilmen230]

if that was supposed to be Cena's heel turn, or the start of it, that was pretty weak.

[K3nTaKa0s]

They'll never take that trash... lol

Why not? His style kinda fits what they're doing right now.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA president Dixie Carter made Vince Russo's departure from TNA official on Tuesday, publicly announcing that the former head writer has left the company.

"TNA and Vince Russo have mutually parted ways as of this week. The separation is amicable and professional," Carter tweeted Tuesday afternoon. "We are glad for the opportunity to have worked together and wish each other nothing but good luck and success in the future."

Russo was part of TNA in the beginning in 2002, left the company in 2004, and returned in 2006 as one of the head writers in TNA. In 2011, Russo was shifted down the Creative power structure when Bruce Prichard was appointed to an executive position overseeing Creative.

Reports surfaced over the weekend that Russo's departure from TNA was imminent, especially when he was not present at the Against All Odds PPV on Sunday. The Creative structure will now include Bruce Prichard, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan (although he told the U.K. Sun he's not sure what his position in TNA is), Dave Lagana, and Matt Conway

Source: PWTorch

[Speilmen230]

TNA president Dixie Carter made Vince Russo's departure from TNA official on Tuesday, publicly announcing that the former head writer has left the company.

"TNA and Vince Russo have mutually parted ways as of this week. The separation is amicable and professional," Carter tweeted Tuesday afternoon. "We are glad for the opportunity to have worked together and wish each other nothing but good luck and success in the future."

Russo was part of TNA in the beginning in 2002, left the company in 2004, and returned in 2006 as one of the head writers in TNA. In 2011, Russo was shifted down the Creative power structure when Bruce Prichard was appointed to an executive position overseeing Creative.

Reports surfaced over the weekend that Russo's departure from TNA was imminent, especially when he was not present at the Against All Odds PPV on Sunday. The Creative structure will now include Bruce Prichard, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan (although he told the U.K. Sun he's not sure what his position in TNA is), Dave Lagana, and Matt Conway

Source: PWTorch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0ftfKFEJg

[K3nTaKa0s]

Raw rating dropped off big time from last week.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA appears to have promoted Dave Lagana to the position of "Director of Creative Writing at TNA Wrestling." Lagana is currently using that job title on his personal social networking accounts. Bruce Prichard remains the head of creative with the title of Senior Vice President of Programming and Talent Relations.

Source: PW.net

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well, it's official, Northeast Wresting is back!

3/23: Wrestlefest 17 - Mid Hudson Civic Center - Poughkeepsie, NY


THE Ultimate Warrior!!!!
John Hennigan (fka John Morrison) vs Finlay
Melina v. Velvet Sky
Matt Hardy
Jerry "The King" Lawler
Tommy Dreamer
NEW Champion Brian Anthony
6 Man Grab for the Gold Ladder Match
Matt Taven
Hale Collins
More superstars to be announced!


3/24: March Mayhem - Waterbury, CT

John Hennigan (fka John Morrison)
Melina v. Velvet Sky
NEW Title Match - Ladder Match
Brian Anthony vs Matt Taven
Jerry "The King" Lawler
Ron Zombie
Bull Dredd and more!

-----------

Two pretty big shows coming to CT and NY. Another HUGE announcement is on it's way! This will be John Morrision's first match in the US since leaving the WWE.

www.northeastwrestling.com

anyone from the areA?

Well, Warrior has been added to the Mid Hudson Civic Center!

[Speilmen230]

Breaking News: Top WWE Star Injured & Being Replaced For PPV
by Justin LaBar
February 14, 2012

WWE.com has posted the following:

"WWE medical personnel have confirmed that Randy Orton suffered a concussion on Raw SuperShow when World Heavyweight Champion Daniel Bryan smashed Orton over the head with his title.

"Randy sustained head trauma following his match with Big Show, in which Daniel Bryan interfered, and he was evaluated in the training room immediately afterward," WWE physician Dr. Michael Sampson told WWE.com. "Due to his symptoms as well as his neurological evaluation, he was diagnosed with a concussion. We will be doing more testing to see how he's going to do as far as short term vs. long term."

Orton will not be cleared to compete in the World Heavyweight Championship Elimination Chamber Match this Sunday."

It is accurate that Orton suffered a concussion from Monday night during his match with Big Show but WWE citing Daniel Bryan hitting Orton with the title is simply for storyline purposes.

F4Wonline.com is reporting Orton will be replaced by Mark Henry, who is being brought back early from injury due to lack of depth on the roster.
Update: Randy Orton's Elimination Chamber match replacement was named at the Smackdown tapings. Be sure to check out the full Smackdown spoilers on the main page for more details.

Source: WrestleZone

Who is his replacement you ask?

Santino Marella

[crush0617]

TNA appears to have promoted Dave Lagana to the position of "Director of Creative Writing at TNA Wrestling." Lagana is currently using that job title on his personal social networking accounts. Bruce Prichard remains the head of creative with the title of Senior Vice President of Programming and Talent Relations.

Source: PW.net

This can only be a positive for TNA.

[crush0617]

I know this is old news by now but, the HHH/HBK segment on Raw was fantastic.. On the other side the Cena/Kane/Eve/Zach storyline is horrible unless it leads to a Cena heal turn which I don't see happening. I also wish that CM Punk would get back to cutting serious promo's

[Speilmen230]

Lagana led the #IWantWrestling charge which called for more logical storylines that have a beginning and an end. Very good news for TNA.

[Nick11dx]

I know this is old news by now but, the HHH/HBK segment on Raw was fantastic.. On the other side the Cena/Kane/Eve/Zach storyline is horrible unless it leads to a Cena heal turn which I don't see happening. I also wish that CM Punk would get back to cutting serious promo's

see i dont mind their segments. Starting to see a different side of cena from the usual boring shit

[K3nTaKa0s]

Brodus Clay's new "Funkasauras" gimmick has been put on hold, according to the Wrestling Globe Newsletter. WWE head Vince McMahon reportedly believes Clay's in-ring work needs to improve. Clay in a match against Heath Slater was cut from Smackdown earlier this month, and Clay has not appeared on WWE TV since the January 30 Raw. Clay wrestled dark matches at last week's set of TV tapings.

Source: PWTorch

[crush0617]

Brodus Clay's new "Funkasauras" gimmick has been put on hold, according to the Wrestling Globe Newsletter. WWE head Vince McMahon reportedly believes Clay's in-ring work needs to improve. Clay in a match against Heath Slater was cut from Smackdown earlier this month, and Clay has not appeared on WWE TV since the January 30 Raw. Clay wrestled dark matches at last week's set of TV tapings.

Source: PWTorch

I liked the Funkasaures and I think he would have gotten over big time.

Also maybe they should have figured this out before mentioning his "debut" 1754 times

[crush0617]

see i dont mind their segments. Starting to see a different side of cena from the usual boring shit

I agree with that part especially the bad Comedy but, overall I hate this angle.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WrestleMania 29 in April 2013 is confirmed for MetLife Stadium in the New York/New Jersey marketing, according to NJBiz.com.

An announcement is scheduled to be made Thursday at MetLife Stadium, with New Jersey governor Chris Christie expected to attend.

MetLife officials expect next year's WrestleMania to draw at least 70,000 to the event after spending "more than a year" working with WWE to bring WrestleMania to the new NFL stadium.

The report says a "Smackdown fan fest" - likely the incorrect label for WWE Axxess - will be held at the Izod Center prior to Mania.

WWE prioritized WrestleMania in the New York market for 2013 to beat the NFL to the punch. MetLife is scheduled to host the Super Bowl in February 2014.

Source: PWTorch

[K3nTaKa0s]

Lagana led the #IWantWrestling charge which called for more logical storylines that have a beginning and an end. Very good news for TNA.

Hopefully he can come in with some fresh ideas.

[CrashDMB237]

WM29 at MetLife = :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[JRS1386]

I may make the trip to WM29 depending on where my life is (job wise) next year

[CrashDMB237]

It's going to be a shitshow around here. I have a feeling tickets will be gone in seconds.

[Speilmen230]

They better start planning the Main Event now so it can live up to the standards of being in Met Life in front of 70,000+ people.

Frankly they kind of burned out their biggest match still left in the bag this year with Cena/Rock.

Punk/Austin could also be huge if Austin can still go.

[Matt83]

Punk/Austin and Brock/Taker

Long-shot on both, but those would definitely help sell it, I think?

[Speilmen230]

Punk/Austin is much more realistic than Brock/Taker.

Brock wrestling in some capacity is definitely not out of the question come December or January. Can you imagine the reaction to Brock coming out as a surprise 23 or 24 entrant in the RR and Winning?

[Speilmen230]

Hopefully he can come in with some fresh ideas.

I do as well. I would love nothing more than TNA to become relevant in the US Wrestling scene around the country. Competition is so good for business. They have the talent, they just need to keep things consistent and keep pushing the young talent.

[JacobLovesYou]

There are definitely a few aces up Vince's sleeve still.

[JRS1386]

I doubt it...

[Speilmen230]

i doubt it as well. They have failed pretty hard at building new WM Headline worthy superstars. Cena, Batista, & Orton are literally the only ones in the last 7 years who made it to the top and stayed there. Punk is still extremely new to the main event scene, but they are doing a good job of keeping him relevant and credible. Aside from those guys, there really isn't anyone else who is big enough.

[JRS1386]

If Orton is really injured (which I suspect he is) I will be really surprised if he doesn't get put into the title match at WM and win the belt. For the last year he has been very selfless in putting over the likes of Christian, Henry, and even Barrett and Rhodes. However, he has got to be annoyed at this newest injury. I think WWE will try to placate him by getting him the belt back. The best thing that can happen for the company is the end of the separate bands and making Smackdown live and on another night. I think the WWE lacks the same talent it did back when the split originally occurred. I am not trying to say that the company doesn't have a lot of talent, but they have only a handful of guys they truly rely on to put on a good performance. If I were them the following would be the people that would be constantly on TV:

CM Punk
Jericho
Bryan
Orton
Ziggler
Rhodes
Barrett
Shaemus
Christian
ADR
Kofi Kingston
Swagger
Cena
R-Truth
Ryder
McIntyre
Tag Chapions (whoever they are make them defend the belts once a week or once every two weeks and build this damn thing back up)

[crush0617]

Pretty cool about Mania being at Met Life next year although I think they are taking a big chance with the weather.

[hbktonyb]

Mania at MetLife:

Punk/Austin
Undertaker/Rock
Ryder/Jericho (title match)

[crush0617]

Mania at MetLife:

Punk/Austin
Undertaker/Rock
Ryder/Jericho (title match)


Except for the last match I could see that. I just don't see Ryder getting a main event push

I would like to see
Punk/Austin
Undertaker/ Sting

[Speilmen230]

Reports all along have been that taker is done after going 20-0

[Speilmen230]

Bill Simmons Blasts Triple H

In a new mailbag piece published over at the ESPN affiliate site Grantland.com, Bill Simmons had the following to say when asked if the recent surge of Jeremy Lin in the NBA is the equivalent of CM Punk last year as opposed to the self-proclaimed "King of Kings:"

"Does this mean Carmelo is going to be Triple H — the egotistical, overrated star who couldn't handle that something good was happening without him, so he interjected himself into the storyline and ended up throwing a wet blanket on all the momentum?" Simmons writes. "I sure hope not."

[jaking1185]

Bill Simmons Blasts Triple H

In a new mailbag piece published over at the ESPN affiliate site Grantland.com, Bill Simmons had the following to say when asked if the recent surge of Jeremy Lin in the NBA is the equivalent of CM Punk last year as opposed to the self-proclaimed "King of Kings:"

"Does this mean Carmelo is going to be Triple H — the egotistical, overrated star who couldn't handle that something good was happening without him, so he interjected himself into the storyline and ended up throwing a wet blanket on all the momentum?" Simmons writes. "I sure hope not."

Bit of the nail on the head right there.

[JacobLovesYou]

I doubt it...

i doubt it as well. They have failed pretty hard at building new WM Headline worthy superstars. Cena, Batista, & Orton are literally the only ones in the last 7 years who made it to the top and stayed there. Punk is still extremely new to the main event scene, but they are doing a good job of keeping him relevant and credible. Aside from those guys, there really isn't anyone else who is big enough.

if vince didn't think it was feasible business-wise, they wouldn't have gone there.

this gives them another year to build up new guys. there will be a big gimmick/celeb match too.

also, if they were in trouble with tickets, vince would put out serious money for several people: Austin, Brock, Undertaker, HBK, Sting, even Rock again

[Speilmen230]

well the event itself will sell out before any matches are even announced. The bigger issue they need to think about is PPV buys.

[JacobLovesYou]

well the event itself will sell out before any matches are even announced. The bigger issue they need to think about is PPV buys.

well everything i said can be applied to PPV buys as well

[mwat9050]

Unrelated to the current things being discussed in here, but I have a bad feeling that the Punk/Jericho, which normally would be GOLD, will fall flat. Creative will bury it, like everything else, and put all their focus on rock/cena and taker/hhh(of course).

Punk has becomed so watered down and phony. Ironic, since he is the " i say and do what i want". Which is far from the truth, since the majority of his promos the past few months have sucked, and have been clearly the product of bad writing. SO.....he basically is being forced to say the shit they write for him. COmpany man now.

A little tidbit here that will make the majority of you laugh, and will also explain why the writing is so horrible. To be in WWE "Creative" you must have a bachlors degree in either communications(bs general degree), English, JOurnalism, and a few others. Not only that, they would also like for you to have several years of expericence in television, with an emphasis on reality tv or comedy. This is the system in which Princess Stephanie has put in place. SO basically, the writers dont know much about the buisness, or what makes for good wrestling, but they have experience in reality tv. hahahaha. What a joke. Look at some of the best writers and bookers over the years. Did they have degrees or expereince with filth tv? Nope. But they produced a good product.

I guess they cant figure out that bad writing equals bad angles, which equals bad booking, which equals bad ratings and PPV buyrates.

[Pablo23]

Anyone know what happened to that Silent Rage guy from Tough Enough? The last I heard he was bitched at royally for not selling Austin's stunner.

[Speilmen230]

probably in FCW getting the shit kicked out of him.

[bartender_man]

Anyone know what happened to that Silent Rage guy from Tough Enough? The last I heard he was bitched at royally for not selling Austin's stunner.

Well he got suspended for a drug policy violation. What a moron. Also- he should never have won, Luke was way better and actually could have been a decent heel since he was an asshole in real life. lol

[JacobLovesYou]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7586103/john-cena-kane-elimination-chamber

Another good Grantland read

Hopefully they bring back tough enough eventually, even if its not till the network launches

[K3nTaKa0s]

Former WWE Diva Maria Kanellis recently went on the Running the Ropes radio and lit into WWE for the farting gimmick they have recently saddled Natalya Neidhart with. "I think that it’s a complete disrespect to a girl (Neidhart) with talent to give her a gimmick that’s a farting gimmick. How disrespectful can you be? She’s a Neidhart, come on! She’s incredible in the ring. It’s disrespectful to her, disrespectful to her family, and I cannot even believe that they went there. I think it really says something to how WWE feels about their Women’s Division."

Source: PW.net

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I wasn't aware of this, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think they take the belt off CM Punk tomorrow night.

[DoDaFoo]

I think they take the belt off CM Punk tomorrow night.

They should. I think the feud with him and Jericho going into WM works better if Jericho has the strap.

[JacobLovesYou]

Yeah I expect Jericho to win. Punks answer to the best in the world thing is that hes champion. If Jericho gets the belt, that should further the feud nice. Id say the only dark horse is Ziggler, but I don't think they want him involved in that feud.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I was thinking about picking Ziggler, but WWE showed where he stands at the last PPV and the subsequent episode of Raw.

[Speilmen230]

Elimination Chamber Pick-Em

Raw Elimination Chamber for WWE Title
CM Punk (c) vs Chris Jericho vs Dolph Ziggler vs R-Truth vs The Miz vs Kofi Kingston

Smackdown Elimination Chamber for World Heavyweight Championship
Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show vs. The Great Khali vs. Santino Marella

Ambulance Match
John Cena vs Kane

WWE Diva's Championship Match
Beth Phoenix vs Tamina Snuka

[K3nTaKa0s]

Chris Jericho
Daniel Bryan
John Cena
Beth Phoenix

[JRS1386]

Jericho
Rhodes (dark horse)
Cena
Phoenix

[DoDaFoo]

Jericho
Bryan
Cena
Phoenix

[Speilmen230]

Jericho
Bryan
Kane
Phoenix

[Speilmen230]

i am keeping a record of all the picks and will post the standings after the event is over.

[Rodey]

Ziggler
Barrett
Cena
Beth

[JacobLovesYou]

Jericho
Barrett
Cena
Beth

[K3nTaKa0s]

How the fuck can you only have four matches scheduled for a PPV with four hours of programming each week?

[Speilmen230]

Chamber matches are a solid 30 minutes of in ring plus 6 entrances and build up packages so that is a solid 90 minutes of the PPV taken up, then the ambulance match will be another 20 - 30 minutes with build up, entrances, & the actual match. so that is 120 minutes for 3 matches. That is 2 hours gone right there. im sure there will be other backstage stuff going on too plus maybe 1 unannounced match.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This isn't the first PPV this has happened. And I'm confident that there ends up being more than four matches on the card.

[Speilmen230]

i am as well. My guess is 5 or 6.

[Rodey]

Glad I didn't end up getting tickets for tonight. Have a feeling it'll suck.

[comerelaxnow]

Elimination Chamber Pick-Em

Raw Elimination Chamber for WWE Title
CM Punk (c) vs Chris Jericho vs Dolph Ziggler vs R-Truth vs The Miz vs Kofi Kingston

Smackdown Elimination Chamber for World Heavyweight Championship
Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Big Show vs. The Great Khali vs. Santino Marella

Ambulance Match
John Cena vs Kane

WWE Diva's Championship Match
Beth Phoenix vs Tamina Snuka

[comerelaxnow]

Any live streams tonight?

[Speilmen230]

my guess is FirstRow will have them.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I thought this would be last on.

[hbktonyb]

Link anywhere?

[hbktonyb]

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/108805/1/watch-wwe-elimination-chamber-2012.html

[DoDaFoo]

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/108805/1/watch-wwe-elimination-chamber-2012.html

WWE Championship to start. I figured the World Heavyweight title would kick off the night.

[Nick11dx]

stupid for wwe to put the match with the best wrestling in first

[JacobLovesYou]

First ppv since last WM that I haven't been able to watch. RAW chamber is first? That's surprising.

[Speilmen230]

everyone is 0-1 now.

[DoDaFoo]

Haha. To be fair Jericho never lost...

[JRS1386]

I was hoping for a false finish there

[Speilmen230]

everyone but ComeRelaxNow is now 1-1

[comerelaxnow]

I may go 0-4

[K3nTaKa0s]

Cena/Kane main eventing? Must mean a Rock appearance.

[JRS1386]

Even if this match is 30 minutes that puts us at 10. Cena/Kane is not going an hour. Will we have an unannounced match?

[JRS1386]

:lol Khali what a wasted spot

[DoDaFoo]

Great job by everyone in this match (except Khali which was pointless.)

[JRS1386]

Smackdown EC could have been so much better

[JRS1386]

Great job by everyone in this match (except Khali which was pointless.)

Santino or Khali should not have been in this match

[Speilmen230]

might be one the best Elimination Chamber finishes ever. Built up the Santino underdog superbly.

Santino just stole the show with that IMO.

Santino could become the next Mankind type character.

[jackisback24]

might be one the best Elimination Chamber finishes ever. Built up the Santino underdog superbly.

Santino just stole the show with that IMO.

Santino could become the next Mankind type character.

what happened? Are they playing up Linsanity?

[JRS1386]

Swagger over Gabrie

[Speilmen230]

Santino really played the underdog character well. Shelton Benjamin vs HHH style. Got super close to winning and was then shut out at the last second.

[comerelaxnow]

I pick Swagger...i may go 1 and 5 now!

[DoDaFoo]

I thought Santino was great in the EC match.

[gocubsgo3822]

I loved the santino match. Great storytelling.

Where does Orton fit in for Wrestlemania now?

[Speilmen230]

Orton/Sheamus/DBryan

[JRS1386]

Santino did well in the EC match but it still doesn't change the fact he shouldn't have been there to begin with

[JacobLovesYou]

I loved the santino match. Great storytelling.

Where does Orton fit in for Wrestlemania now?

6 man tag at WM. Team Johnny v Team Teddy? Henry, Christian, Del Rio v Orton, Mysterio aaand... hmmm Truth?

[gocubsgo3822]

6 man tag at WM. Team Johnny v Team Teddy? Henry, Christian, Del Rio v Orton, Mysterio aaand... hmmm Truth?


hmmmm. I like that...

I also have decided that i am in on bryan.. I finally get it..

[JRS1386]

That was a shitty match

[comerelaxnow]

Lame!!!!

[JRS1386]

That was honestly a waste of time from Kane's return to now. The only thing that came from this is that Ryder gets a vacation. There was no real ending to this and the only satisfying one would have been Cena going full out ballistic on Kane and by that I mean that after the huge AA he would have picked Kane up and done it again and again and nailed him with a chair a few times and just completely snapped.

[Speilmen230]

K3nt: 3-1
DoDaFoo: 3-1

JRS: 2-2
Speilmen230: 2-2
Rodey: 2-2
Jacob: 2-2

ComeRelaxNow: 0-4

[gocubsgo3822]

SOlid B from me...

Liked the kane, and both elimination chamber matches

[DoDaFoo]

That was horrible. One of the chamber matches should have closed the show.

[Speilmen230]

Negatives: No Rock, hardly any jericho, Daniel Bryan's mediocre title run continues, No Kharma, a filler match, & the ambulance match was pointless.

Positives: Punk is still champion (this is me stretching for a positive) & Santino looked great in the chamber.

[JacobLovesYou]

I didn't watch, but read all of the details on WZ. Whats disappointing to me is that it seemed like a filler ppv before WM instead of a spring board.

[keithcoldroses]

Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! World Heavyweight Champion!!! Yes!!! Yes!! Yes!!

[Nick11dx]

can people explain their hate for santino? im a 24 year old male watching wrestling since the 90s and i think that he is one of maybe 5 people that entertain me in wwe now. Hes absolutely hilarious and entertaining compared to the boring characters in wwe

[DoDaFoo]

I think Santino is great.

[YankeesDMB41]

if anyone can find the segment with Hornswoggle, Gabriel and Swagger, theres a picture of Dave in the backround....that is all

[bartender_man]

That event was terrible. Santino was the star of the show though, who'd have thought. Wish they pushed him harder even. Cena/Kane sucked big time. So Cena once again is superman. How fucking stupid... Turn him heel already because we've all sick and tired of the superman bullshit already...

[bartender_man]

Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! World Heavyweight Champion!!! Yes!!! Yes!! Yes!!

Fuck off.. D Bryan is the most boring out em all

[Rodey]

I find it interesting that a lot of people are high on Santino, yet people think Ryder sucks. Kind of baffling if you ask me.

[Pablo23]

if anyone can find the segment with Hornswoggle, Gabriel and Swagger, theres a picture of Dave in the backround....that is all

Yeah I saw that. Must be from the one & only time the band played there (Bradley Center) in December of '98. You can see it hear at 16:10 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xov81o_9_sport#

[CrashDMB237]

Santino is goddamn hilarious. I find myself laughing every time he's on TV. Who gives a crap if he isn't the greatest wrestler in the world. Do you guys remember the attitude era? Some of those guys were entertaining as hell but couldn't put on the match to save their lives. And Santino really isn't that bad when you look at him. He just isn't the greatest. I could watch Santino every week.

[Speilmen230]

santino did a pretty damn good job at keeping the energy level high at the end of the match last night. I legitimately thought he was going to get out of the Labell Lock.

[YankeesDMB41]

Yeah I saw that. Must be from the one & only time the band played there (Bradley Center) in December of '98. You can see it hear at 16:10 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xov81o_9_sport#

:thumbsup gotta love when dave shows up in wrestling ppvs

[gocubsgo3822]

So am i the only one who even remotely liked last night?

[Speilmen230]

honestly? Yes.

[DoDaFoo]

So am i the only one who even remotely liked last night?

It just seemed like complete filler. Nothing happened. Both champions retained, the match order was baffling, the main event was terrible. The chamber matches were good, but the whole thing just left me with an overall "meh".

The order should have been (from start to finish)

Smackdown Chamber
Womens Title
Awful Filler Match
Cena vs Kane
RAW Chamber

[Speilmen230]

Literally nothing changed. This PPV could have never existed and we would be at the same place come this monday other than jericho never being eliminated and kane losing.

[JRS1386]

Seriously. A few, not even big, things needed to happen for this PPV to not be a fail.

A) Have Jericho come back in and win after Punk thinks he won. This would set up a huge rematch at Mania and would be better than what I can imagine will be Jericho bitching about never being eliminated for the next few weeks til they decide to have a match at Mania.

B) Kharma needed to be involved in the womens match. This division sucks and the only thing that could make it interesting and have it deserve a slot at Mania is Kharma vs Phoenix

C) Cena needed to be a lot more ruthless and snapped against Kane. It is not so much that he won, but his win resolved nothing in the Kane feud and it just went further down the path we all are tired on with Super Cena

D) Smackdown's EC was probably the best match of the night, but Khali should definitely not been in the match and honestly neither should have Santino. Santino was used perfectly and was the best performer of the night, so that worked out for that match. Also, Bryan is a hell of a wrestler, but this gimmick is wearing on me.

E) There should have been a HHH/Undertaker/HBK moment

[keithcoldroses]

Fuck off.. D Bryan is the most boring out em all

YES! YES! YES! Best gimmick 2012. D Bryan owns.

[JacobLovesYou]

I like what they have DBryan doing.

A few thoughts:
-since his return, they haven't given Jericho a lot of proof that he's best in the world
-if Rock wasn't there, RAW chamber should've main evented
-from what I hear, if this ppv wasn't placed where it is, it was actually quiet entertaining. Since its the "go home ppv" to WM, it felt anticlimactic

I still haven't seen any footage, ill have to check out the chamber matches on youtube

[bartender_man]

YES! YES! YES! Best gimmick 2012. D Bryan owns.


Best of 2012? Sure, we're only two months into the year...

[jackisback24]

double turn?

[K3nTaKa0s]

This is better than the Young and the Restless!

[JRS1386]

And they are starting off shitty! Wooo

[JRS1386]

Is Russo already on the payroll?

[jackisback24]

scandalous bitches.

[jackisback24]

Can Linsanity join Kaintai?

[JRS1386]

I wonder how mnay people turned their TVs off for the night after this crap

[jackisback24]

I put on The Voice.

Eve does look good though.

[JRS1386]

If I am going to see a bitch cry that much I am going to be at least having sex with her immediately before or after

[jackisback24]

If I am going to see a bitch cry that much I am going to be at least having sex with her immediately before or after
well, with you, it's probably after having the sex.:lol;):thumbsup

[JRS1386]

well, with you, it's probably after having the sex.:lol;):thumbsup

I left the opening in for this joke, thanks for running with it :lol

[jackisback24]

Ron Simmons announced for the Hall tonight?

[JRS1386]

They need one GM for both shows, but not either of these fools

[JRS1386]

TruthBomb?

[Speilmen230]

Just finished off the opening segment, i thought it was great. I really want to rewind and see what the show was rated. No way Bitches is a PG friendly word.

[K3nTaKa0s]

No mention of the Nation of Domination?

[JRS1386]

Just finished off the opening segment, i thought it was great. I really want to rewind and see what the show was rated. No way Bitches is a PG friendly word.

You must watch soap operas and/or Twilight

[jackisback24]

he looks old.

[Speilmen230]

This is better than the Young and the Restless!

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[jaking1185]

Cool to see Ron Simmons get in. NWA representing with him and the Horsemen.

Ron and Butch Reed in Doom was a devastating team in the 80's.

[Speilmen230]

You must watch soap operas and/or Twilight

Or i just enjoy what wrestling has always been, a dramedy based around wrestling.

Sorry that i am in love with the over the top storylines that i grew up with in the attitude era.

[JRS1386]

That was just ridiculous and pointless. It had no business starting the show

[bradshaw06]

i still get chills everytime i hear the undertakers bells.

[Speilmen230]

What would you rather them start the show with?

[jackisback24]

why did he shave his head so close WM?

[bradshaw06]

crowd not giving taker much respect...

[jackisback24]

COO gimmick must go.

Taker working the Mayans into the gimmick.:lol

[Speilmen230]

I wonder how bad it hurt to get the Sara tattoo removed from his neck.

[jackisback24]

retirement match.

[JRS1386]

It would be nice for them to start off with a match once in a while

[jackisback24]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82245752/

[JRS1386]

OMG I'm shocked! Though I admit this is a nice segment

Edit: HiaC is nice, didn't think that was a possibility

[bradshaw06]

oh snap hell in a cell

[JRS1386]

WWE Creative @WWE_Creative

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Can't believe Triple H wants to go "all the way". Since this is TV-PG, watch Undertaker get pregnant & we all learn something #RAWTonight

[Speilmen230]

That was far and away the best segment since Punk dropped his pipe bomb last summer.

[K3nTaKa0s]

lol at Santino getting squashed.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind Sheamus beating Mark Henry, who the WWE built up for months, in three minutes followed by Daniel Bryan rolling right through Santino after his "underdog" performance last night?

[Speilmen230]

not a clue. It feels like the Raw writers took over and decided to just kill what the SD writers were trying so hard to build.

[jackisback24]

ummmmm:ugh this is dying.

[Speilmen230]

Best. Cena. Promo.

[JRS1386]

Cena wasnt horrible, strange

[jackisback24]

short order cook.:bounce

[JRS1386]

I hope Rhodes or Ziggler wins, but we know Jericho is going to

[jackisback24]

anti climatic?

[jackisback24]

Chyna is anti climaxic.:)

bbbbbbbbbrrrrrlolool.:lol:lol:lol:lol

[JRS1386]

Khali :lol

[jackisback24]

Show was jacked at one point.

http://tubewwe.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/images-1.jpg

[K3nTaKa0s]

Barrett got fucked up.

[jaking1185]

Buck Zumhof? :lol

[Rodey]

Lame match. :lol

[JRS1386]

Big Show needs to go away. Also they need to start a stable with BArrett, JEricho and Rhodes

[Rodey]

Miz and Truth should be fired for not catching Ziggler. That was unacceptable.

[gocubsgo3822]

Was wade seriously hurt?

Really starting to like Cena I am.

Can't wait for mania

Cena rock

Hhh taker hiac (I will not settle for anything short of a tombstone off the top of the cell into the Spanish announcers table)

Punk Jericho

Bryan Sheamus

Mitb ladder match

I hope they do something with rhodes too. Cody is fucking awesome. Maybe him and Ziggler?

I will actually buy it.

[DmBand801]

Was wade seriously hurt?

Yes, the ref flashed the X at the camera.

[gocubsgo3822]

“@johnreport: FYI for those asking, Ziggler worked dark match so he's okay. Barrett is legit hurt.”

[hbktonyb]

I may actually root for Cena. Great job today.

[JacobLovesYou]

Cena cut a great heel promo. I would watch that guy gladly each week.

[K3nTaKa0s]

- Wade Barrett suffered an arm injury in Raw's main event battle royal. Barrett caught Dolph Ziggler after he was thrown over the top by Big Show and was seen holding his right arm. The infamous "X" was signaled and doctors came down as the match progressed. The injury appears to have been complicated when Santino went over the top and landed on the arm.

Ziggler was also hurt when his shoulder and arm hit the table.

R-Truth also needed help going to the back.

Kofi Kingston took an ugly bump but didn't appear to be hurt, while Cody Rhodes was limping badly from his match last night and was hurt when he did a kick and his leg gave out. He did get up and did several more spots.

Credit: Wrestling Observer

[jackisback24]

Buck Zumhof? :lol
That was funny. I actually liked the AWA around 1984-1986 when Buck Zumhoffe and the original Steve Regal feuded over the jr. title.

[jackisback24]

Michael Clarke Duncan cutting a friendly promo on Rock on Jay Leno.:lol

[keithcoldroses]

I'm so happy D Bryan won at EC. We get 6 more weeks (at least) of YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION! YES!!!!!!

Really hope he goes over at WrestleMania. I'm loving the new gimmick/heel Daniel Bryan.

[DoDaFoo]

Cena's promo was annoying. I don't care that Rock left and Cena has been there this whole time blah blah blah. Orton has been there that whole time, so have some of the other guys. I am just so bored with what Cena has become. They botched his feud with Kane, and threw the Eve story right out in the first segment because he was going to draw even more heat for "stealing" Ryder's girl.

Aside from that, I thought HHH and Taker were great. I love that they're making that a HiaC match. The Battle Royal was fun, but I feel bad for Barrett. You could tell he was in considerable pain. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

[Pablo23]

-if Rock wasn't there, RAW chamber should've main evented


Rock was in Milwaukee?

[gocubsgo3822]

I am really digging Cena lately...

Felt weird to type that.

[jaking1185]

That was funny. I actually liked the AWA around 1984-1986 when Buck Zumhoffe and the original Steve Regal feuded over the jr. title.

I grew up on AWA so hearing his name brought back memories.

[JacobLovesYou]

Rock was in Milwaukee?

no, but there were rumors all day that he was. when cena/kane main evented a lot of people figured it was because rock actually was there.

[JacobLovesYou]

they need something BIIIG out of the rock next week. not just his normal shtick that Cena made fun of. right now Taker/HHH feels about 100x more important then rock/cena. I'm thinking they had HHH give in and take the match so early because that way the build for rock/cena isn't too overshadowed.

[Speilmen230]

Yeah Rock definitely needs to bring it next week. (no pun intended) Cena killed it last night and actually got me to get on his side of the fence.

[Speilmen230]

Update: Wade Barrett's Injury From RAW Main Event
byJustin LaBar
February 20, 2012

Wade Barrett is said to have dislocated his elbow during the main event of RAW according to F4Wonline.com

The injury took place when Big Show tossed Dolph Ziggler out of the ring into the arms of Barrett and R-Truth. The impact caused Barrett to fall back into the announce table landing him awkwardly on his arm.

BG "Road Dogg" James who works backstage tweeted the following about Barrett's injury:

"Prayers go out to Wade Barrett! A sidelining injury, not a career ender but he won't get a shot at Mania and that hurts my heart for him!"

[gocubsgo3822]

Didnt know Road Dogg was an agent....

[Speilmen230]

i believe he got hired on towards the end of last year.

[crush0617]

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind Sheamus beating Mark Henry, who the WWE built up for months, in three minutes followed by Daniel Bryan rolling right through Santino after his "underdog" performance last night?

I agree with this 100%. I can not stand the booking right now.

Also Jericho's return so far has meant nothing. He lost at The rumble, He basically lost last night. They should have had him return last night.

Another issue is 3 of the 4 guys wrestling in the "main events" of Mania will not be around after Mainia (rock, HHH, taker)

[Rodey]

WWE has not been a good product lately. Just stale garbage really.

[JRS1386]

Its going to get worse if what I'm thinking is going to happen will and that's Big Show feuding with Rhodes til Mania. This could help push Rhodes farther but I'm so sick of Big Show

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE is reporting that Wade Barrett will be out six to eight weeks with a partially dislocated left elbow.

Source: PW.net

[crush0617]

WWE is reporting that Wade Barrett will be out six to eight weeks with a partially dislocated left elbow.

Source: PW.net

You hate to hear that. Tough Break for Wade

[K3nTaKa0s]

yup yup. Smackdown is hurting as it is, too.

[JacobLovesYou]

Punk and Bryan just had a great match on live SD! Can't believe they game them so long to work too. Probably a 25 min segment.

[JacobLovesYou]

Also, a great match with no labell lock or GTS. just classic wrestling with legit nearfalls because of skillful moves.

[JRS1386]

How did the match end? Also, anything good happen otherwise in the show?

[JacobLovesYou]

I liked the opening DBryan promo that morphed into Sheamus v Miz. They furthered the GM feud well. Ziggler/Swagger beat Kofi/Truth so I'm thinking that's an upcoming tag champ feud. It looks like Cody Rhodes is starting a feud with Big Show. I wonder if that's to put a good wrestler in the Shaq/Show match to give it action.

[hbktonyb]

There is really nothing I like about Sheamus.

[JacobLovesYou]

the match ended 3 times: first DBryan tried leaving and Sheamus chased him back in & Punk hit him with a swinging kick and got the pinfall. Laurinitis comes out and says Sheamus interfered and restarts the match. Little later, Bryan scores a pinfall by using the ropes for leverage. Teddy Long comes out and restarts the match for cheating. A while later, Bryan hits a suplex off the top rope but Punk tangles his legs up with Bryan and both guys shoulders are on the mat. Ref counts 3 but is confused as to who the winner is. Long lifts Punks hand & Johnny lifts Bryans hand. Show ends with Long and Johnny in eachothers faces

Ending to Punk/Bryan^^ overall a great match, probably a 25 min segment that had 2 commercial breaks.

[justinandimcool]

just escaped from under the rock....the Chris Brown stuff has to be a work right?

[hbktonyb]

I thought so, but Punk is bringing up some serious shit that I doubt Brown would want to joke about.

[JacobLovesYou]

It only seems like a work because WWE is promoting it, but they're only doing that because its free, great publicity for them.

[Rodey]

There is really nothing I like about Sheamus.

Completely agree with this... fella.

[Nick11dx]

It only seems like a work because WWE is promoting it, but they're only doing that because its free, great publicity for them.

agree about the publicity but there is NO WAY that Chris Brown's people would allow these things to be said if he was in on it. His PR team is trying to steer him away from all that happened 3 years ago.

[JacobLovesYou]

Oh I definitely think its all real. I'm surprised Browns people haven't made him just drop it

[Speilmen230]

yeah, i think it 100% real. No way Chris Brown's reps would let Punk refer to him hitting Rhianna.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think Bischoff just buried Russo.

Eric Bischoff, Controversy
Story, character, structure. Looking forward to the next set of TV's. Been a long time coming.