Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well, it official. NEW has done it again. First Warrior, now they are giving me Hogan. It's been a good year!

Northeast Wrestling and the Hudson Valley Renegades
Presents

Wrestling Under the Stars
Saturday, August 4th - 7 p.m.
Dutchess Stadium, Fishkill, NY

The matches start at 7 p.m. with a fireworks display after the event.

Hulk Hogan - the biggest star in the history of professional wrestling - will be a part of a special meet and greet with all of his fans beginning at 3:30 p.m. He will also be doing an interview addressing all of his fans. Meet and greet for all other superstars begins at 4 p.m.

Unlike our past signings, fans will have the opportunity to meet Hulk Hogan in the order they purchased their tickets. The earlier you purchase them the earlier you meet him. No need to wait on line for hours, numbers will be called fans letting fans know when they should get on line. This way fans can experience all of the activities at the stadium and meet the other superstars instead of waiting on multiple hour long lines.

ALSO APPEARING:
Making his wrestling Debut former NY Yankee Pitcher Joe Ausanio
Matt Hardy w/Reby Sky
Amy Dumas fka Lita
Mickie James
Jerry "The King" Lawler
NEW Champion Brian Anthony
"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan
"The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart
Matt Taven w/Kasey Ray
Luke Robinson, Romeo Roselli and many more superstars to be announced.

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Basebrawl eat your heart out...
www.northeastwrestling.com

[Rodey]

Why did the E think it was a good idea to bring Albert back in the first place? Didn't they realize that he would never be taken seriously no matter how good he was in Japan?

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE got some bad news today, as the Raw rating slid to 2.72 among stiff competition from the NBA playoffs and the record setting series premiere of History Channel's Hatfields and McCoy's. The show had 3.91 million viewers for both hours, which is the first time the show has landed with less than 4 million viewers since the start of Monday Night Football and the 2011-12 NFL Season.

Source: PW.net

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well, it official. NEW has done it again. First Warrior, now they are giving me Hogan. It's been a good year!

Northeast Wrestling and the Hudson Valley Renegades
Wrestling Under the Stars
Saturday, August 4th - 7 p.m.
Dutchess Stadium, Fishkill, NY

The matches start at 7 p.m. with a fireworks display after the event.

Hulk Hogan
ALSO APPEARING:
Making his wrestling Debut former NY Yankee Pitcher Joe Ausanio
Matt Hardy w/Reby Sky
Amy Dumas fka Lita
Mickie James
Jerry "The King" Lawler
NEW Champion Brian Anthony
"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan
"The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart
Matt Taven w/Kasey Ray
Luke Robinson, Romeo Roselli
and many more superstars to be announced.
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Basebrawl eat your heart out...
www.northeastwrestling.com

Anyone want to make a bet that this outdraws any TNA show in New York ever? I'm going to speculate and predict 5000+ for this event. It's at a basball field, but I've heard that chair will be on the field so that almost 1000 seats.

What was the most TNA has drawn in New York state?

[hbktonyb]

Why did the E think it was a good idea to bring Albert back in the first place? Didn't they realize that he would never be taken seriously no matter how good he was in Japan?

It baffles me. He's Prince Albert no matter what. And he still sucks.

[CrashDMB237]

WWE got some bad news today, as the Raw rating slid to 2.72 among stiff competition from the NBA playoffs and the record setting series premiere of History Channel's Hatfields and McCoy's. The show had 3.91 million viewers for both hours, which is the first time the show has landed with less than 4 million viewers since the start of Monday Night Football and the 2011-12 NFL Season.

Source: PW.net

Well considering I watched the playoffs live and went back and watched Raw on the DVR, I find these numbers to be pointless. If I did it, I'm sure there is a whole slew of others that did as well. In fact I can't remember the last time I watched Raw live, as it happened. Ratings in today's day and age don't mean shit unless you're going up against competition on another network running the same format as you.

[gocubsgo3822]

i never watch Raw live. dvr it every week

[Doors Allan Coe]

It baffles me. He's Prince Albert no matter what. And he still sucks.


I only saw his new WWE character once. It looked like it was something from 1993. Maybe an old Dungeon of Doom member at best...

In my opinion he has great size. He has a good look. He has taken the time to become a solid worker for a guy his size. The WWE literally gave him the corniest gimmick I could have imagined.

They should have just called him Big Van Albert or Giant Bernard and make him a stiff bastard. I see a place for a guy his size and ability on WWE TV.

Whatever happened to a heel just being a straight up bad ass? I don't understand why writers always feel the need to dress up these big bad wrestlers like laughable idiots.

[AndySlash]

agreed- he looked a cartoon character and with his history in wwe, he just wasn't going to be taken seriously. i think their refusal to acknowledge who he was instead of just a "former wwe superstar who went to japan" did not help- fans don't seem to like it when wwe tries to ignore its obvious history. the character and even the presentation could have worked, but not with albert. i feel bad for him- he clearly tried to make it work and did what he could, but lord tensai was pretty much doa.

[Doors Allan Coe]

agreed- he looked a cartoon character and with his history in wwe, he just wasn't going to be taken seriously. i think their refusal to acknowledge who he was instead of just a "former wwe superstar who went to japan" did not help- fans don't seem to like it when wwe tries to ignore its obvious history. the character and even the presentation could have worked, but not with albert. i feel bad for him- he clearly tried to make it work and did what he could, but lord tensai was pretty much doa.

Yeah, the name alone sets off all sorts of red flags.

He has a unique look and great size. It's really a shame his return was such a failure. I never understood why the WWE always glossed over the history of international stars. Other than embracing Foley's KotDM history, I can't remember when they honestly explained a workers past. It's always sad to see a guy pay his dues and still get buried.

I don't get the logic or dressing up a big bad guy like Bernard like an idiot. They literally could have dressed him up as anything, I can't fathom how they ended up with that.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/255551-report-wwe-said-to-be-in-panic-mode-over-low-raw-rating

[jaking1185]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/255551-report-wwe-said-to-be-in-panic-mode-over-low-raw-rating

No offense, but people might take you more seriously if you posted anything about the WWE that was positive instead of only the bad spin.

When someone does stuff like this about TNA you freak out defending them.

Just a thought.

[K3nTaKa0s]

No offense, but people might take you more seriously if you posted anything about the WWE that was positive instead of only the bad spin.

When someone does stuff like this about TNA you freak out defending them.

Just a thought.

Just posting news items. It's not about taking me seriously. I'm not Dave Meltzer.

[jackisback24]

Dixie w/a big announcement on Live Impact tonight!!!

[CrashDMB237]

What the fuck is this on TNA? Wrestling Idol? Way to kick off the live era with a bang.

[CrashDMB237]

You can absolutely tell this is their first live show with this crew. They are missing cues all over the place.

[BotheDMBFan]

That. Was. Abysmal.

[Speilmen230]

so dixie's big announcement was that Brooke is her right hand woman for the knockout's division? sheesh, i watched it, and brooke had no clue what she was doing.

[CrashDMB237]

Guess they should have rehearsed that whole zip tie thing before they went live huh :lol

[Speilmen230]

Watched a little with my buddy last night who doesn't know much about wrestling and he said that tna looks like the minor leagues

[CrashDMB237]

Since I know the WWE ratings guru will avoid this like the plague:

Thursday night's episode of iMPACT! Wrestling, the first live show and the first in their new timeslot, did a 0.89 (0.9) cable rating, with 1.29 million viewers. The rating and viewership are down 12% and 10% respectively from last week's episode. The episode is the first that iMPACT!'s viewership was below 1.3 million since Thanksgiving 2010. Quarter-hour ratings are not in yet, so no word on how much impact the change in timeslot had on the viewership. We've heard that hour one was brutal though.

[gocubsgo3822]

Brooke Hogan i no longer want to bang she looks gross

[jackisback24]

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/25906-michaels-to-return-to-raw

[CrashDMB237]

I have a feeling everyone that's ever been on a Raw broadcast will be asked to appear on that show. From Shawn to the Brooklyn Brawler.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Anyone end up seeing that TNA spot on FOX and Friends?

My buddy did the ring for it and said it was the shits.

I guess it was a spot for Brooke Hogan to promote the Knockouts and TNAs new live show. I heard it went like 3 minutes and was absolutely terrible. Anyone catch this?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Anyone end up seeing that TNA spot on FOX and Friends?

My buddy did the ring for it and said it was the shits.

I guess it was a spot for Brooke Hogan to promote the Knockouts and TNAs new live show. I heard it went like 3 minutes and was absolutely terrible. Anyone catch this?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/05/24/hulk-hogans-daughter-brooke-hogan-talks-about-joining-tna-wresting-how-it-feels-to-follow-in-her-fathers-footsteps/

Found it.

Worst segment ever?

[Rodey]

Just posting news items. It's not about taking me seriously. I'm not Dave Meltzer.

I think the problem people have is that you only post negative related news items regarding WWE. That and I don't think I've ever seen you post any piece of news that's negative about TNA.

If you're going to post news, at least post the good/bad about both companies.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Watched a little with my buddy last night who doesn't know much about wrestling and he said that tna looks like the minor leagues

Didn't know you were buddy-buddy with CrashDMB237.

[K3nTaKa0s]

so dixie's big announcement was that Brooke is her right hand woman for the knockout's division? sheesh, i watched it, and brooke had no clue what she was doing.

No. That wasn't the big announcement.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Since I know the WWE ratings guru will avoid this like the plague:

Bad rating. No other way around it. I just got done watching Impact. Thought it was a solid show.

Not sure how often I'll be watching live when it starts at 8:00 EST. Didn't care for the time change when it was announced... don't care for it now.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Since I know the WWE ratings guru will avoid this like the plague:

Thursday night's episode of iMPACT! Wrestling, the first live show and the first in their new timeslot, did a 0.89 (0.9) cable rating, with 1.29 million viewers. The rating and viewership are down 12% and 10% respectively from last week's episode. The episode is the first that iMPACT!'s viewership was below 1.3 million since Thanksgiving 2010. Quarter-hour ratings are not in yet, so no word on how much impact the change in timeslot had on the viewership. We've heard that hour one was brutal though.


Bad rating. No other way around it.

I totally agree :lol

[CrashDMB237]

Didn't know you were buddy-buddy with CrashDMB237.

No he's friends with one of the other millions of people who thinks TNA is a shit product. How in gods name could you say that was a solid show when you crap on some of the WWE programs that you crap on? I wouldn't have a single problem if you could just not have double standards.

[paperstacks1980]

Pro wrestling is not the same as it used to be... I miss the WWF days

[Doors Allan Coe]

Pro wrestling is not the same as it used to be... I miss the WWF days

www.northeastwrestling.com

Wrestling Under the Stars
Saturday, August 4th - 7 p.m.
Dutchess Stadium, Fishkill, NY

The matches start at 7 p.m. with a fireworks display after the event.
Hulk Hogan
ALSO APPEARING:
Matt Hardy w/Reby Sky
Amy Dumas fka Lita
Mickie James
"Hacksaw" Jim Duggan

Tag Team Warfare
Jerry "The King" Lawler and former NY Yankee Pitcher Joe Ausanio w/???
V.
Luke Robinson and Romeo Roselli w/"The Mouth of the South" Jimmy Hart

Northeast Title - Falls Count Anywhere in Duchess Stadium
NEW Champion Brian Anthony v. Matt Taven w/Kasey Ray
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This is the hottest ticket of the summer in the Northeast. The first several rows have already sold out w/o any advertising. Tickets and autograph packages have been sold to people in Japan, Canada, and several European countries. This is one of the most rock solid line-ups I've witnessed. Jimmy Hart and Hacksaw Jim Duggan are two of the nicest guys in the business. I also expect a couple of surprise announcements in the coming weeks. I've heard rumors of a couple of other HUGE names possibly appearing at this event. NEW puts on solid wrestling show. They limit long drawn out promos and concentrate on putting on 7-8 matches worth the price of admission.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE has announced via their text message service that Vince McMahon will return to Raw on June 11 for the three-hour Raw. Vince will evaluate the performance of John Laurinaitis.

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Knew that was coming.

[jackisback24]

1000th Raw should be interesting.

[hbktonyb]

I love Vince.

[Rodey]

Any Raw with Vince is a good Raw.

[CrashDMB237]

Hell yes! Vince on Raw next week and I'll be there. And also Sin Cara is awesome.

[K3nTaKa0s]

They expect Ryback to go out there and get over by squashing two clowns every week?

[bradshaw06]

They expect Ryback to go out there and get over by squashing two clowns every week?

was thinking the same thing, he is going up against guys that look like high school kids.

[Speilmen230]

Squash matches just seem a little antiquated in today's world of wrestling. You need him to go over an established guy who isn't some schmuck. Have a young cocky heel go out there and cut a small promo about not getting his time to shine on the program and demanding a match, giving an open challenge, and then hit Ryback's music and the heel looks frightened but stands his ground and then we get a good 4 minute match that shows off his strengths, but also doesn't make him look invincible.

[Speilmen230]

A guy like Drew McIntyre would be perfect for that.

[Crush086]

I dig a good squash match just to see a guy's moveset. Ryback had a couple good ones in the few squash matches I saw, reminded me Brock Lesnar's debut where he just went out and showed his power by destroying Spike and the others.

Ryback is no Lesnar, but squash's have their place. Of course Ryback's career has been squashes so I'd hope they start something with him soon.

[Rodey]

They expect Ryback to go out there and get over by squashing two clowns every week?

It's how Goldberg got over.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It's how Goldberg got over.

It's not 1997 anymore, sadly.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Plus a lot of people still think of Ryback as Skip Sheffield. That doesn't help his case.

...and at least Goldberg was beating guys who people actually knew the names of.

[CrashDMB237]

I think you all give too many shits about Ryback. He's never going to be a top guy, nor should he be. Just like Goldberg shouldn't have been (I think Goldberg was a monstrous joke of a gimmick btw). He's a niche guy. He comes out and beats the piss out of no names. He wows you with his strength. He's never going to be agile, he's never going to talk his way out of anything, he's just going to beat the shit out of people. Personally, I like it. I don't want him beating up on the Hunico's and JTG's and Heath Slater's of the company because... well who cares? The no name jobbers are what make half of his squash matches so awesome.

Also, I kinda like that Hawkins and Reks got some air time last night. And as big of turds as they are, Darren Young and Titus O'Neill have been pretty good in the ring. Is this a tag team division revival? I'm hopeful that we see more of this kinda stuff when Raw goes 3 hours. I like that we finally get to see Kofi and R-Truth just WRESTLE. I didn't like Kofi at all, and I didn't even know why. Now that he's wrestling, I think he's awesomely entertaining. I loved the Truth gimmick, but I couldn't take him seriously. Now at least there's some substance to back it up.

[Doors Allan Coe]

It's not 1997 anymore, sadly.

If it was TNA would have some of the top guys in the bizzz!!

Hollywood Hogan! RVD 4:20! The Dudley Boyzzz! The Stinger!

It's like ROH 2005 meets ECW 1998 meets WCW 1997 meets a bunch of guys the WWE released.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I think you all give too many shits about Ryback. He's never going to be a top guy, nor should he be. Just like Goldberg shouldn't have been (I think Goldberg was a monstrous joke of a gimmick btw). He's a niche guy. He comes out and beats the piss out of no names. He wows you with his strength. He's never going to be agile, he's never going to talk his way out of anything, he's just going to beat the shit out of people. Personally, I like it. I don't want him beating up on the Hunico's and JTG's and Heath Slater's of the company because... well who cares? The no name jobbers are what make half of his squash matches so awesome.

Also, I kinda like that Hawkins and Reks got some air time last night. And as big of turds as they are, Darren Young and Titus O'Neill have been pretty good in the ring. Is this a tag team division revival? I'm hopeful that we see more of this kinda stuff when Raw goes 3 hours. I like that we finally get to see Kofi and R-Truth just WRESTLE. I didn't like Kofi at all, and I didn't even know why. Now that he's wrestling, I think he's awesomely entertaining. I loved the Truth gimmick, but I couldn't take him seriously. Now at least there's some substance to back it up.

Most of these names are new to me. But squashes aren't bad, I agree.

I always hoped the WWE would bring back squash matches. I always thought it was great when a new talent or tag team was able to rack up some wins and show off BEFORE they entered into a rivalry.

For instance, back in the day when the Legion of Doom debuted in the WWF, fuckin a they killed teams. Defintely built the excitement. Plus, I always liked reouccuring squash guys. Black Bart, Brooklyn Brawler, Barry Horowitz, The Oreint Express...Barry O?

The all know how to sell, that's for sure...

[Rodey]

Ryback's been on television for what, a month now? That's about right on track with where other guys usually are. He'll squash guys for another week or two before they throw someone known at him.

[JacobLovesYou]

I think about all of the PPVs in Chicago that I was too young for and it pisses me off.

[Speilmen230]

lots of newz here:

Original Report: SuperLuchas.net is reporting Randy Orton met with top WWE officials at the company headquarters on Friday regarding his recent suspension.

The meeting reportedly featured Vince McMahon, Triple H and Kevin Dunn.

The report says it was a "hostile" meeting and a further decision of Orton's future is yet to be determined. Several WWE officials are lobbying for Orton to be released because the lucrative contract with WWE, which has him signed until 2019, can't be justified. The feeling is if he is to return to the WWE roster he will likely be in the mid-card yet WWE will still be paying him his high dollar contract.

If Orton gets suspended one more time he gets fired, the belief is this is going to prevent WWE from wanting to put a lot of investment into him in big main event programs.

Vince McMahon is reportedly especially infuriated with Orton over the suspension. The feeling was he had matured over the years and this recent suspension was a big disappointment to those top company officials.

Reportedly, Orton tested positive for the anabolic steroid Dianabol, which is banned by the United States Congress under its Controlled Substances Act. He also reportedly tested positive for marijuana, which is subject to a $2,500 fine.

Update on Report: Previously, a report had surfaced originating from SuperLuchas.net talking about Randy Orton having a hostile meeting with top WWE officials on Friday.

PWInsider.com is now confirming Orton did meet with officials on Friday and there are some in WWE lobbying for Orton's release. According to PWInsider.com, WWE isn't planning on releasing Orton but they have considered not bringing him back to the active roster immediately once his 60 day suspension is over.

WWE might have Orton "sit it out and stew" while they make a more concrete long term decision of his future with the company.

Flair/Ziggler: After speaking with sources, WZ has learned there has been some consideration in creative on how to use Ric Flair if he is to sign some kind of contract with WWE.

The popular discussion has been for Ric Flair to be used as a manager for Dolph Ziggler.

Right now, the task at hand is to negotiate with Flair a legends contract as well as a talent contract to compensate him for his work for whatever time he would be on television weekly as a manager for Ziggler.

It seems WWE creative is going in the direction of having Ziggler with a manager regardless, as Mason Ryan is being kept in the conversation, potentially if Flair doesn't end up in the role with Ziggler.

One source did say there is also some hesitation among some in WWE as to whether they want to bring Flair in for a weekly role. While Flair is always respected for who he is, his age as well as his history of going off script at times and doing things his way has been brought up as concerns in the Ric Flair creative discssion.

Again, nothing at the current time has been signed and put in place but we're told this is being entertained as a serious possibility if all negotiations get finalized.

[JacobLovesYou]

Watching History of the WWE Championship on Netflix. Just got to Shawn vs Brett Iron Man match.

[JacobLovesYou]

I'd be down for Flair/Ziggler. Ziggler needs pushed to the moon and it needs to start NOW.

[JacobLovesYou]

Watching that Iron Man match while I work out. WWE needs to give guys like Punk/Bryan/Ziggler/Rhodes an IM match at a lesser PPV. I understand not wanting to do it at a biggie, but why not see if guys like us could boost a crappy Over the Limit buyrate with a guaranteed 60 min of Punk/Bryan?

[Speilmen230]

Really sort of upset with Orton. He is an A player who should be in a top feud and using his vast amount of talent to really give out classic feud after classic feud. Instead he became complacent and is now on the verge on the way out the door.

[CrashDMB237]

Orton was way too talented for his own good. He was cocky when he was young and was never able to grow out of that. Such a shame, because some of his earlier days were great. The Taker stuff, Rey stuff around when Eddie died, etc.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I honestly hope Orton gets canned.

He's a top talent that a rival company (unfortunately TNA) could try and build to company around.

[Crush086]

He could go back to his heel persona where he was punting Vince and molesting Stephanie, but not have to tone it down for the kids. He could rape Velvet Sky!!

No, but seriously, I'd watch TNA if Orton ended up going there after getting canned.

[CrashDMB237]

Oh my god, TNA would cream their underwhelming pants if Orton got canned. I have a feeling Orton would rather sit home than work for TNA though just knowing him.

[JRS1386]

I don't see WWe releasing him just for that reason. Why give their rival company a potential superstar with a good following? Though he is an absolute idiot

[BotheDMBFan]

I kinda blame WWE for all of this with Orton. Forcing Randy to come back early when he was obviously WAY too hurt to come back (mostly concussion injuries). Orton's problems before were for heavy drugs for the most part, so it surprises me that he used pot and Dianabol (a drug used to come back from injuries faster as well as rebuilding muscle mass lost - presumably to make up for what he was losing while he couldn't work out because of his head injuries making it too difficult.)

I don't think it will just be a "Sit at home and stew" thing, I think it will also be a "Sit at home and finally get well" thing.

[jaking1185]

Oh my god, TNA would cream their underwhelming pants if Orton got canned. I have a feeling Orton would rather sit home than work for TNA though just knowing him.

They would give him their biggest contract ever and probably look the other way when he hooks up with the Hardys and Kurt Angle.

[BotheDMBFan]

Honestly, I could see Orton going the Japan route before TNA. I think he'd take the "Sit at home route" before all of it.

[jaking1185]

Honestly, I could see Orton going the Japan route before TNA. I think he'd take the "Sit at home route" before all of it.

Depends how well he took care of his money.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I kinda blame WWE for all of this with Orton. Forcing Randy to come back early when he was obviously WAY too hurt to come back (mostly concussion injuries). Orton's problems before were for heavy drugs for the most part, so it surprises me that he used pot and Dianabol (a drug used to come back from injuries faster as well as rebuilding muscle mass lost - presumably to make up for what he was losing while he couldn't work out because of his head injuries making it too difficult.)

I don't think it will just be a "Sit at home and stew" thing, I think it will also be a "Sit at home and finally get well" thing.

Orton has done a lot of fucked up stuff over the years; drugs, trashing hotel rooms, generally inappropriate behavior. If it's a way out of a bad contract I could see the WWE doing it. They let Bret go during his prime and during the MNWs.

I'm sure Orton would go where the money is.

[jackisback24]

I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been more of a stink of Orton, having gone AWOL not received more bad press from the Army and other branches of the military. I understand he was booted from the movie, but figured it would've been a bigger subject.

[Rodey]

I would mark so incredibly hard if Flair was Ziggler's manager. That sounds absolutely amazing.

And honestly, I wouldn't give a shit if Orton got released. Dude seems like a scumbag.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Raw on Monday, June 4 scored a 2.92 rating, up two-tenths from last week's year-low rating, but still below the 3.0-rating mark. Also, Raw was down six percent compared to the 2012 average.

Source: PWTorch

[CrashDMB237]

Right on cue :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Right on cue :lol

You'd think they'd be doing a little bit better with all of the "awesome" wrestlers they have.

[CrashDMB237]

You'd think you would understand ratings mean nowhere near as much as you want them to with all the times it's been explained to you.

[jaking1185]

Right on cue :lol

You'd think since he just posts news items, with all the stuff going on in WWE, he's post something other than ratings every week.

Hmm....;)

[K3nTaKa0s]

..says the guy who posted a rating just last week.

What about the Meltzer report that said WWE wasn't happy with last week's Raw rating? I guess Meltzer is a credible source for TNA PPV buys but when he has news on TNA, it doesn't mean jack shit.

[K3nTaKa0s]

You'd think since he just posts news items, with all the stuff going on in WWE, he's post something other than ratings every week.

Hmm....;)

I don't have access to any information that no one else does. You're more than welcome to post anything you want.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What else is there to post that isn't negative? Smackdown rating tanked... Orton got suspended... TNA is suing WWE (that's been posted already)...

[CrashDMB237]

..says the guy who posted a rating just last week.

What about the Meltzer report that said WWE wasn't happy with last week's Raw rating? I guess Meltzer is a credible source for TNA PPV buys but when he has news on TNA, it doesn't mean jack shit.

The pay-per-view buy rates are a reported number that are actually recorded somewhere off of something that actually happened. The reports about WWE officials losing their shit over ratings is nothing more than a report. There will never be any fact to support that unless a WWE official comes out and says it. I'm not saying one is true and one isn't but I can't believe you were even trying to compare the two.

Literally the only reason I posted last week's impact rating is because I knew if it was WWE you would be all over it. It's just one of the many easy ways to mock you.

[jaking1185]

I also saw that Cody Rhodes was going to be suspended as well for violating policy. Haven't seen much about that so I'm not sure that one is true.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE will be holding Shawn Michaels Appreciation Night at the August 6 edition of WWE Raw in San Antonio, Texas.

Source: PW.net

[CrashDMB237]

I love the idea of Flair working with Dolph, but does anyone else think that that will kind of turn Dolph face? You know the second Flair walks out onto that stage hes going to get a pop. I don't think there's any way Ziggler will work as a face. He is that classic heel. He's that Curt Hennig, Bart Gunn, Lex Luger

[hbktonyb]

I agree with you. But, Bart Gunn?? :lol

[CrashDMB237]

I guess I should have separated the "classic heels" part with the next three names I rattled off :lol

Dolph is a friggen carbon copy of Bart Gunn, from looks to persona.

[hbktonyb]

I love Dolph. I'd guess Flair would come back as a face, then do something to get himself a ton of heat. Like beat up Ryder or Punk.

[Rodey]

I also saw that Cody Rhodes was going to be suspended as well for violating policy. Haven't seen much about that so I'm not sure that one is true.

I believe Cody was cleared because he had a prescription from a doctor.

[CrashDMB237]

I guess TNA took out some ad space in bigger markets during Raw on Monday? That is so, SO desperate. I remember a few years ago there was a huge TNA billboard directly across the street from the WWE TV production building here in CT :lol

[Doors Allan Coe]

I guess TNA took out some ad space in bigger markets during Raw on Monday? That is so, SO desperate. I remember a few years ago there was a huge TNA billboard directly across the street from the WWE TV production building here in CT :lol

It's really amazing TNA still hasn't come up with an exciting product.

Just with the sheer number of wrestling legends they employ you'd figure they would be able to put together a can't miss PPV or show.

My distain really dates back to when they overbooked the Angle/Joe program. In my opinion sometimes lame stories truly take away from a match wrestling fans would pay to see. I know if Joe fought Angle in ROH I would have bought a ticket to see it in person, yet after watching TNA TV I had no intention of buying Joe/Angle on PPV. It's a shame.

I honestly wish I could enjoy TNA. But, I watch it and just see so much of what is wrong with wrestling. I watched a shoot interview with Bobby Heenan after he left WCW, but before all the surgeries. He was very dismissive about the future of the business. He basically said the business we knew is gone. The illusion is over. He compared it to a magician explaining how they do all the tricks while on stage. A portion of the audience would enjoy that, but most people just want to be entertained. I haven't watched TNA but I read about a plan to show more reality and shoot based backstage footage.

I just long for a wrestling show that delivers at least one top notch wrestling match a show. A match with meaning, in which the outcome isn't clear, and free of screwjob endings.

I always remember back to how Raven used to book his finishes in ECW sometimes. He used to have several run-ins, but he made it work. It was almost a parody of the annoying run-ins from today. Instead of ending the match we would get false finishes off of the run-in. To me, that was a way to get people involved and get rivalries over without having to screw the fans out of an exciting finish to accomplish that.

I actually had been given the chance to finally book Raven for a show 8/23. But, I can't fit it in my schedule. He'd be the last of my favorite wrestling to meet. Seemingly the most interesting to talk to also.

[McBong]

WWE will be holding Shawn Michaels Appreciation Night at the August 6 edition of WWE Raw in San Antonio, Texas.

Source: PW.net

Damn it I'm leaving for Vegas that day. Second time I'm missing the E.

[Speilmen230]

apparently this is what the new WWE title is going to look like. smh

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/255857-photo-new-wwe-championship-belt

it needs some color or something, it is just so plain and ugly.

[Doors Allan Coe]

apparently this is what the new WWE title is going to look like. smh

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/255857-photo-new-wwe-championship-belt

it needs some color or something, it is just so plain and ugly.

I think it will, that looks like a prototype or at the very least it's have been painted yet.

But, you never know I guess. Definitely look incomplete to me.

[CrashDMB237]

I actually kinda like that assuming there's some color and shading added.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I actually kinda like that assuming there's some color and shading added.

I'm guessing it has to have paint on it. I can't remember a WWE title that didn't have ANY color at all. I like the fact it looks like a huge gold belt again.

[davidhamrick10]

I'm guessing it has to have paint on it. I can't remember a WWE title that didn't have ANY color at all. I like the fact it looks like a huge gold belt again.
The new tag belts are just copper now, right?

Other than that you are right.

[CrashDMB237]

I wish they would just go back to the damn eagle belt :lol

[Doors Allan Coe]

I wish they would just go back to the damn eagle belt :lol

a huge gold updated version :thumbsup

[Crush086]

I kinda blame WWE for all of this with Orton. Forcing Randy to come back early when he was obviously WAY too hurt to come back (mostly concussion injuries). Orton's problems before were for heavy drugs for the most part, so it surprises me that he used pot and Dianabol (a drug used to come back from injuries faster as well as rebuilding muscle mass lost - presumably to make up for what he was losing while he couldn't work out because of his head injuries making it too difficult.)

I don't think it will just be a "Sit at home and stew" thing, I think it will also be a "Sit at home and finally get well" thing.
lol, you're blaming the WWE for Orton taking steroids? The guy is top talent in the company, I really doubt he needs to turn to steroids to keep his job.

[JacobLovesYou]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/255893-report-wwe-treating-1000th-raw-like-top-ppv

that's good at least. and the word is that they're looking to try and have a big summer angle like Nexus and Punk the past two years. they need something bad. WWE post Extreme Rules has been boring. boring. boring.

[Rodey]

If the 1,000th Raw doesn't feature Austin coming out and giving stunners to everyone, I will be extremely disappointed.

[Doors Allan Coe]

here is a cut of a commerical me and my buddy made for NEW in Southbury, CT. This should air locally in CT during RAW, but I'm not positive when they bought the time. It's not a huge show just Matt Hardy and the NEW regulars. It still have to add an opening graphic for the fire department.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf9exDXs4SA&feature=youtu.be

thoughts?

would go to a local show if you saw this commercial during RAW?

[jackisback24]

So I just flipped on TNA as I literally have not watched this show in probably over a year and what in the blue hell has happened to Bully Ray/Bubba Ray? He looks like he has cancer---heaven forbid. He looks like he weighs 180 pounds. And what is with this angle with the lawyer?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Looks like he has cancer? What in the fuck? It's called getting in shape.

[CrashDMB237]

Holy shit when the hell did Hogan forget how to put together comprehendable sentences? That was PAINFUL!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Holy shit when the hell did Hogan forget how to put together comprehendable sentences? That was PAINFUL!

I understood it just fine. Hardy/Anderson/RVD at Slammiversary to see who gets a title shot next week on Impact.

[CrashDMB237]

Yea I would hope people got the message, because he said it ten times, one more painful and jumbled than the next. It's like someone just briefed him on what he had to say before he walked out.

[CrashDMB237]

It's tough seeing Angle and Sting go out like this.

[CrashDMB237]

http://i.imgur.com/J9J0P.gif

:lol

[davidhamrick10]

Why, good sir. I do believe this a good place for a sparring match!
http://i.imgur.com/7pLwi.jpg

[CrashDMB237]

I see I'm not the only one Redditing on this lazy Friday :lol

[davidhamrick10]

I'm always Redditing, even on a busy Friday!

[BotheDMBFan]

Reddit is for babies. 4chan forever.

[davidhamrick10]

4chan is blocked at work, reddit is not so reddit wins.

[BotheDMBFan]

4chan > Your Work.

[davidhamrick10]

I just read a rumor on BleacherReport(i know not that reliable) that Christian is going to be at Slamiversery? They sited Dixie Carters twitter saying she was so happy he would be there.

Anybody else hear this? I can't believe it is real.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It's real.

[davidhamrick10]

Is he just going in to their "HOF"?

[K3nTaKa0s]

That's the word.

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA PPV tonight, right?

[K3nTaKa0s]

You know it.. bro.

[BotheDMBFan]

I love that with every crowd pan, there are WWE shirts.

[BotheDMBFan]

Just give us fucking Joe v Daniels v AJ. AKA, the best match in the history of the company.

[BotheDMBFan]

I like Aires, and Joe used to be good. This might not suck.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Best TNA PPV since I started watching the company.

[crush0617]

Did not get to watch the show last night but, from everything I heard last nights PPV was very good. Great crowd as well.

I like the build up for a future Storm/Roode match but, I disagree with bringing him back as a surprise to beat Crimson.

[CrashDMB237]

Heading to Raw tonight. Can't wait for the first 3 seconds of Vince's music. No chance!

[crush0617]

Heading to Raw tonight. Can't wait for the first 3 seconds of Vince's music. No chance!

Nice Enjoy! I think they have some serious work to do with both Jericho and Orton out. They need to start building Ziggler up for the main event.

[CrashDMB237]

I agree. I think Dolph has been billed as the second superstar behind Cena on the Raw shows. This is a great opportunity for the WWE as odd as that sounds with two big names out.

[jackisback24]

Is he just going in to their "HOF"?
he went to TNA due to the deal with Flair at the WWE HOF.

[CrashDMB237]

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/6323/report-christian-not-happy-at-slammiversary-more

Christian was described as very friendly backstage at Slammiversary. But when it came to being on the actual PPV, Christian was said to not be happy about being chosen for the appearance.

Can you blame him?

[bradshaw06]

With so many guys going down lately, does Ziggler finally get a push?

[CrashDMB237]

Holy crap. I'm like, ringside.

[JRS1386]

I'm not a huge Shaemus fan

[jackisback24]

Holy crap. I'm like, ringside.

Dude, hold up a "Pro Wrestling is Fake" sign! C'mon!

[JRS1386]

blood :eek

[JRS1386]

So Daniel Bryan and Kane aren't in the arena?

[Speilmen230]

after that announcement i feel like Ziggler gets his shot and possible snags the title. Summertime is arguably the best time to try and test the waters with a new star at champion.

[JRS1386]

after that announcement i feel like Ziggler gets his shot and possible snags the title. Summertime is arguably the best time to try and test the waters with a new star at champion.

If Khali wins or even comes close to wins someone deserves to be punched

[Speilmen230]

Kahli is technically a face, so i highly doubt he wins.

[BotheDMBFan]

They may be married to the idea of Punk holding it for a year...if only to fill the amount of time he was to be world champ all in one stretch.

[BotheDMBFan]

What has happened so far? I thought it started at 6 my time.

[Speilmen230]

Johnny ace and Mcmahon in the ring back and forth. Sheamus interrupted and got some cheap pops. Made fun a Ace and ace put him in a match against and unkown partner. Ace will be evaluated by the quality of the matches during tonight's show. And Ace will be kept on or fired at the end of tonight.

Sheamus def Tensai After the match Tensai attacked Sakamoto. virtually dead crowd during the attack.

R-Truth cut a promo on Big Show and got knocked out.

And now we are here.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ricardo in the Beebz shirt, owns.

[BotheDMBFan]

Teh Fallz of CM Punk. :(

[BotheDMBFan]

I love how AJ is getting one of the most interesting female characters of all time, given the fact that 1/2 of the time, she has a moose face.

[bartender_man]

I'm not a huge Shaemus fan


He's so damn repetitve.... one of the reasons I only rarely watch raw these days. Him along with Cena of course.

[Speilmen230]

Goatface :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Sheamus is one of the worst champions ever.

[CrashDMB237]

Man. Commercial breaks blow.

[BotheDMBFan]

Man. Commercial breaks blow.

Such an odd feeling.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Man. Commercial breaks blow.

I bet you're in your glory tonight. lol.

[crashintonickdm]

WWE is obnoxious with twitter. had to unfollow.

[Speilmen230]

If dolph loses we riot

[bradshaw06]

good match.

[Speilmen230]

Fuck Yeah!

[BotheDMBFan]

Dolph v Christian at Summerslam.

Do it.

[CrashDMB237]

That was a great match and thank god Dolph finally got the push.

[Speilmen230]

dolph should beat sheamus in a screwy finish.

Rematch at MITB where dolph loses cleanly

Blow off match at Summerslam which dolph wins cleanly

Following night on Raw he debuts Flair as his manager.

[Speilmen230]

Ryback needs to start facing actual opponents.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow. Classy Vince.

[Speilmen230]

i doubt vince will ever get tired of making fun of JR.

[Speilmen230]

FUCKING VADER!?!?!?!?!?!?! Seriously???? AWESOME!!!

[jaking1185]

Wow. Vader...

[K3nTaKa0s]

I don't think we'll be seeing a Vadersault.

[JRS1386]

Hey, its Frankie's dad from Boy Meets World!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hopefully he stiffs the shit out of this clown.

[bradshaw06]

Hey, its Frankie's dad from Boy Meets World!

:lol:lol:thumbsup

[Speilmen230]

this is fantastic.

[JRS1386]

Hopefully he stiffs the shit out of this clown.

You mean like Florida did?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ERpHz0SLGY

[CrashDMB237]

That. Was. Awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

This was the coolest thing ever.

[Speilmen230]

how does one not get a chubby after that in the ring?

[JRS1386]

Awful elbow

[Speilmen230]

she has got this crazy cute thing going on that is beyond sexy. Good lord.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Vince heel turn time?

[Speilmen230]

hope so, Vince and Johnny being a two man power trip through the summer would be fantastic.

[JRS1386]

Seems like a shitty end if Vince doesn't turn heel.

[Speilmen230]

i like this Cena. He is good.

[Speilmen230]

ahhh nice way to drum up interest for a fairly hum drum PPV.

[CrashDMB237]

Was that whiff as bad on tv as it was in person?

Real fun time tonight. I'm sure the comped seats helped that a bit but solid overall. Best thing to come from tonight is the Ziggler push. And Vader.

[Speilmen230]

They had a far out angle during the swing so you couldn't REALLY tell but it looked a little off

[Doors Allan Coe]

Well, I flicked to RAW last night since it was in CT.

Kid Mikaze was a jobber.
The Kurt Adonis fans were on RAW
Plus, both Max Bauer and Kristian Frost was bodyguards for Mcmahon.

Defintely lots of indy guys on the show. I enjoyed what I saw. Cenas promo at the end was actually pretty well thought out.

[CrashDMB237]

I actually came away from last night appreciating Cena a little more. It's crazy how he captivates the audience. You could hear a pin drop while he was talking and the response he gets is crazy. He also cut a pretty good promo , that helps.

[hbktonyb]

Cena is so good now. I also noticed he didn't really get booed yesterday. The whole Rock program helped him with the older crowd.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Ever since he returned early from that injury as a surprise Royal Rumble entrant I've stopped dogging him.

Anyone else enjoy Mcmahon basically shooting on Danielson about his size?

[hbktonyb]

McMahon was awesome yesterday. I loved him dancing.

[davidhamrick10]

This was the first Raw I have enjoyed in about 2 months. Not enough to make me want to watch sunday but close.

[CrashDMB237]

Ever since he returned early from that injury as a surprise Royal Rumble entrant I've stopped dogging him.

Anyone else enjoy Mcmahon basically shooting on Danielson about his size?

I liked when Bryan said "I know you don't like guys like me..."

I'm sure Vince came up with every one of those backstage segments, and if he did, bravo on that one.

[Rodey]

This was the first Raw I have enjoyed in about 2 months. Not enough to make me want to watch sunday but close.

Feel the same way. I thought they did a really nice job last night and I haven't liked a show in a long time. Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come. :thumbsup

[Doors Allan Coe]

I liked when Bryan said "I know you don't like guys like me..."

I'm sure Vince came up with every one of those backstage segments, and if he did, bravo on that one.

It cracked me up. "Nobody would see you carrying groceries down the street and mistake you for a WWE superstar." It was basically a shoot promo.

Anyone ever watch Jim Cornette Timeline of the WWE in 1997?

I've been thinking of either buying it or borrowing it from a buddy. Seems like a pretty interesting DVD.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ever since he returned early from that injury as a surprise Royal Rumble entrant I've stopped dogging him.

Anyone else enjoy Mcmahon basically shooting on Danielson about his size?

Right before the anti-bullying ad? Sure.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Cena is so good now. I also noticed he didn't really get booed yesterday. The whole Rock program helped him with the older crowd.

Eh? Taking nothing seriously isn't doing anyone else any favors. But hey.. it's Cena.

[bartender_man]

Hilarious how you all think Cena is so great now. Go back and watch some old school RAW from the 90s' then get back to me :lol

[jaking1185]

Hilarious how you all think Cena is so great now. Go back and watch some old school RAW from the 90s' then get back to me :lol

I think everyone understands wrestling isn't as good as it was. I think we can appreciate the improvement that Cena has made on the mic.

[bartender_man]

I think everyone understands wrestling isn't as good as it was. I think we can appreciate the improvement that Cena has made on the mic.

Yeah I guess there has been improvement... can agree on that at least.. I'm just so sick of the entire show always being so based around him, that's why I hardly watch it. I'm much more interested in D-Bryan, the Cm Punk from 2011, and Dolph.

[jaking1185]

Yeah I guess there has been improvement... can agree on that at least.. I'm just so sick of the entire show always being so based around him, that's why I hardly watch it. I'm much more interested in D-Bryan, the Cm Punk from 2011, and Dolph.

With the exception of the Monday Night Wars, Vince has always wanted that squeaky clean hero type leading his company. Cena just fit the bill. We should just appreciate that Vince has put the belts on guys like Punk and Danielson and let Cena do what he does without being the champ.

[CrashDMB237]

Right before the anti-bullying ad? Sure.

Wow, talk about reaching :lol

[Doors Allan Coe]

Hilarious how you all think Cena is so great now. Go back and watch some old school RAW from the 90s' then get back to me :lol

Um...

In my opinion RAWs from the late 90's didn't real age well. As a teenagers I found them amusing. The top tier stories and the spontaneity the WWF/WCW/ECW war made for great TV but there is a lot of stuff from that era that was pure shit.

I can see why as a teenager I liked it. As an adult I can see why sponsors fled. As a person who used to run wrestling shows you wouldn't believe the stigma that surrounds pro wrestling. Lots of people imagine cursing, sexuality explicit acts, and pure violence. As a business the WWE just couldn't continue on a path that alienated families.

Frankly most of my favorite WWE/WCW stuff form the era was lifted from ECW. Obviously nWo and Bret/Hart/Austin/Mcmahon is in a league of it's own, but some of my favorite moments were aspects of the ECW product used on WCW/WWF. It's a shame Benoit turned into a murderer, his feud with Kevin Sullivan was one of my favorites. For some reason when I think of Benoit I always think of him and Sullivan fighting in the bathroom. Oh and Austin/Pillman long rivalry. But, again part of what made Austin/Pillman so great when it happened was all the history the two already had. Maybe I'm the minority but that is what helped bring a lot of the late 90's stories to life...

[Doors Allan Coe]

With the exception of the Monday Night Wars, Vince has always wanted that squeaky clean hero type leading his company. Cena just fit the bill. We should just appreciate that Vince has put the belts on guys like Punk and Danielson and let Cena do what he does without being the champ.

You're right, but it's not really a McMahon thing, it's just the most reliable way to sell tickets. Pretty much every great promotion was built around a top babyface. Sometimes the WWE overdoes it. The only real aberration is Steve Austin. But, he was lightening in a bottle. The only reason the era didn't have a clean cut top babface was because fans pretty much booed anybody who played a nice guy.

1995-2001 was a great era.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The 6/11 edition of Raw did a 3.2 rating with 4,622,000 viewers for the three hours that the show aired. During its usual (for the next few weeks at least) time slot it did a 3.45 rating and 4,981,000 viewers, way up from the last few weeks.

The show did hours of 2.73, 3.34 and 3.55. Vince McMahon was a hit!

Source: PWInsider

[BotheDMBFan]

Attitude era was the shits. So very bad.

[Speilmen230]

Report: Vince Furious Over Randy Orton's Suspension Reaction
by Nick Paglino
June 12, 2012

According to a new F4WOnline.com report, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon was said to be furious over Randy Orton's "outspokenly indifferent" reaction to the news that he would have to serve a 60 day suspension for his second Wellness Policy violation.

Originally, WWE made the swift decision to suspend Orton so that he would be able to return in time for SummerSlam in August, however, because "something happened" to infuriate McMahon, there is now talk that Orton will not be brought back to the company at all following his 60 day benching.

Furthermore, it's being said that some in WWE are not looking at Orton's absence from TV as that big of a problem, as CM Punk, for the first time in his career, is now being looked at as the company's number two babyface as opposed to Orton. Officials feel that the company's babyface depth will not be an issue once Rey Mysterio returns, and joins the likes of Sheamus, Sin Cara and Christian on Smackdown. Additionally, WWE could turn Daniel Bryan babyface on a moments notice if need be.

As we previously reported, WZ's Mark Madden reported via Twitter last Thursday that WWE is looking to terminate its relationship with Orton as he is difficult to work with and his character and popularity has plateaued in the company.

[CrashDMB237]

TNA just popped a collective stiffy.

[Pudgeman316]

A stipulation has been added to the Cena/Big Johnny match for Sunday. Whoever loses, will be fired. Vince will be at ringside.

They couldn't have possibly just given away the ending to this match, could they? Would they really "fire" Cena? With as thin as their face talent roster is right now and ratings for the last few weeks being through the shitter, they can't really afford to keep their top guy off TV.

Just made a less-than-interesting PPV become even less interesting.

My name's Kevin BTW. Never saw this thread existed. I have been watching WWF/ECW/WCW WWE since I was a wee boy. Huge into the IWC. Not a big fan at all of TNA. I work as a Retail Manager at the Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence, RI and assistant Retail Mgr in Boston, so I get to meet/see these boys backstage, and they are horses, to say the least.

Hopefully I'll get more involved in this thread as we lead up to Night of Champions at the TD Garden in September. I always get excited when I get WWE events in my area that I get to work, specifically backstage. The WWE Merchandise crew are incredible to work with, and always have useful information to pass along to me, who they've assured me I'm their biggest mark to work with.

They even went as far as dropping the "Watch Z True Long Island Story from the beginning, and then watch where Ryder goes in the next 6 months" bomb on me last June when SD! came through Providence. And they were right.

[JacobLovesYou]

if Orton gets released, it'd be huge for TNA.

[BotheDMBFan]

A stipulation has been added to the Cena/Big Johnny match for Sunday. Whoever loses, will be fired. Vince will be at ringside.

They couldn't have possibly just given away the ending to this match, could they? Would they really "fire" Cena? With as thin as their face talent roster is right now and ratings for the last few weeks being through the shitter, they can't really afford to keep their top guy off TV.

Just made a less-than-interesting PPV become even less interesting.

My name's Kevin BTW. Never saw this thread existed. I have been watching WWF/ECW/WCW WWE since I was a wee boy. Huge into the IWC. Not a big fan at all of TNA. I work as a Retail Manager at the Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence, RI and assistant Retail Mgr in Boston, so I get to meet/see these boys backstage, and they are horses, to say the least.

Hopefully I'll get more involved in this thread as we lead up to Night of Champions at the TD Garden in September. I always get excited when I get WWE events in my area that I get to work, specifically backstage. The WWE Merchandise crew are incredible to work with, and always have useful information to pass along to me, who they've assured me I'm their biggest mark to work with.

They even went as far as dropping the "Watch Z True Long Island Story from the beginning, and then watch where Ryder goes in the next 6 months" bomb on me last June when SD! came through Providence. And they were right.

Cena has been fired like, 8 times in the past 4 years.

[CrashDMB237]

if Orton gets released, it'd be huge for TNA.

Just knowing the way that Randy Orton operates, I don't think there is a chance in hell that a relationship between him and TNA would ever work out. TNA would be stupid to not at least try but I think that is a disaster waiting to happen.

[BotheDMBFan]

I could see Orton flat out retiring for a couple years, then going back to the E, than going to TNA...which is some how worse.

[Pudgeman316]

Cena has been fired like, 8 times in the past 4 years.


Yeah I get that. But there's no discussion of any movie roles or planned time off as of late. So there's really no reason to do it again.

At least in the past he had to film a TV episode, or take some rehab time, or film a movie, or something. This would just be unneeded time off.

[Doors Allan Coe]

A stipulation has been added to the Cena/Big Johnny match for Sunday. Whoever loses, will be fired. Vince will be at ringside.

They couldn't have possibly just given away the ending to this match, could they? Would they really "fire" Cena? With as thin as their face talent roster is right now and ratings for the last few weeks being through the shitter, they can't really afford to keep their top guy off TV.

Just made a less-than-interesting PPV become even less interesting.

My name's Kevin BTW. Never saw this thread existed. I have been watching WWF/ECW/WCW WWE since I was a wee boy. Huge into the IWC. Not a big fan at all of TNA. I work as a Retail Manager at the Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence, RI and assistant Retail Mgr in Boston, so I get to meet/see these boys backstage, and they are horses, to say the least.

Hopefully I'll get more involved in this thread as we lead up to Night of Champions at the TD Garden in September. I always get excited when I get WWE events in my area that I get to work, specifically backstage. The WWE Merchandise crew are incredible to work with, and always have useful information to pass along to me, who they've assured me I'm their biggest mark to work with.

They even went as far as dropping the "Watch Z True Long Island Story from the beginning, and then watch where Ryder goes in the next 6 months" bomb on me last June when SD! came through Providence. And they were right.

Welcome.

I'm the resident business fan. Most of my views and values of wrestling are based on history or business aspects. I don't watch any wrestling habitually. I tuned into RAW last week because if was in CT, but other than that I rarely catch anything on TV. I used to frequent ROH shows 2005-2009. But, like most of the top talent, I stopped attending ROH shows. The last show I recall attending was Misawa in NYC.

I've run my own promotion and currently do video, backstage, timekeeper, and other stuff for a company called Northeast Wrestling. I've been lucky enough to meet and talk with nearly all of my favorite wrestlers growing up.

You from Mass? Ever attend BTW or TRP shows?

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah I get that. But there's no discussion of any movie roles or planned time off as of late. So there's really no reason to do it again.

At least in the past he had to film a TV episode, or take some rehab time, or film a movie, or something. This would just be unneeded time off.

He'll be fired, but still be there every week.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Just knowing the way that Randy Orton operates, I don't think there is a chance in hell that a relationship between him and TNA would ever work out. TNA would be stupid to not at least try but I think that is a disaster waiting to happen.

You don't think Orton would take a huge sum of money to only work specified dates like PPV or TV tapings?

I do.

[CrashDMB237]

You don't think Orton would take a huge sum of money to only work specified dates like PPV or TV tapings?

I do.

Oh I absolutely think he would. Which is why a pairing with TNA would be a disaster. They don't have the leadership to tame Orton. The inmate will be running the asylum in no time. That's how Bischoff ran WCW into the ground.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton running TNA would be better than the butt fuckededly retarded people doing it now.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Oh I absolutely think he would. Which is why a pairing with TNA would be a disaster. They don't have the leadership to tame Orton. The inmate will be running the asylum in no time. That's how Bischoff ran WCW into the ground.

But, the positive aspect for a guy like Orton is he's isn't touring 24/7. A friend of mine works regularly for TNA TV. They just recently started creating consistent work and it's still very light. In fact, he still doesn't live in Florida most of the workers just shack up 3-6 in a hotel room.

A guy like Orton could get off working a couple TVs and a PPVs at first. Judging by the rumored salaries, I could easily see Orton getting lots of money. But, at the same time nobody else could really compete for his services so TNA doesn't have to cook up some ridiculous offer.

Either way I hope the WWE cans him.

[Speilmen230]

i want Orton, easily one of their elite guys. So what if he can be difficult to deal with, he is worth it.

[JacobLovesYou]

Getting Orton right now could be a watershed moment for TNA. I think he'd be a team player for awhile because of how pissed at WWE he'd be and he'd be inspired. That feeling would probably fade eventually. I've been DVR'ing impact for a few weeks and its not so low rent that an Orton presence couldn't boost ratings. I know I'd tune in live to watch his first program there.

[jackisback24]

Orton vs. Sting if built correctly could mean something.

[BotheDMBFan]

Anyone else feel like Orton v Angle is the biggest thing TNA could do, and do they also realize the irony that comes with that?

[jackisback24]

Anyone else feel like Orton v Angle is the biggest thing TNA could do, and do they also realize the irony that comes with that?
off topic but is there an Egon reference in MST3k?

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't watch that boring shit, so I have no idea.

[CrashDMB237]

Getting Orton right now could be a watershed moment for TNA. I think he'd be a team player for awhile because of how pissed at WWE he'd be and he'd be inspired. That feeling would probably fade eventually. I've been DVR'ing impact for a few weeks and its not so low rent that an Orton presence couldn't boost ratings. I know I'd tune in live to watch his first program there.

From everything I've ever heard about working with Randy Orton, I don't think he will ever be inspired to do anything. He's got some serious issues. I think if the WWE gets rid of him he will just sit on whatever money he has until he needs to get back in the game.

[JacobLovesYou]

His contract is through 2019 right? Or was it 2017? Either way, he thought he had millions of dollars on the way for years to come. Depending on his purchases after he signed that deal, he may need a source of income.

[BotheDMBFan]

The money he makes from merch should literally have him set for the next 9000 years.

[JacobLovesYou]

Tell that to Allen Iverson.

To go from a top contract that allowed you security to buy items that would take years to pay off, to all of a sudden having no income. Most wrestlers have the freedom to take time off because they save up because they have short contracts. Orton had what, a 7+ year contract? I'm sure he bought a house or something. I feel its a certainty he'd go to TNA, as soon as he'd healed up lasting injuries

Of course, I don't think WWE will release him. I think they're putting all of this out there to embarrass the.shit out of him. He comes back after summerslam, puts over some upper midcarders, they squeeze whatever money there is left out of him, then reevaluate before the rumble whether to ditch him or give him something for WM.

[BotheDMBFan]

I still think he'd go to Japan before TNA.

[JacobLovesYou]

As far as business goes, if you're going to release him, you might as well blow smoke up his ass, then have him put over a few guys first.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's all he's been doing for at least 6 months.

[Pudgeman316]

As far as business goes, if you're going to release him, you might as well blow smoke up his ass, then have him put over a few guys first.


I think they're careful to do anything like that since the Lesnar/Goldberg bullshit that happened at WM a couple years ago.


I think if Orton went to TNA, it STILL wouldn't give them the boost to get over the top like they'd want. Sure there's a bunch of ...talent...on the TNA roster that could have a quality program with Orton...but Angle/Orton would have to have so many different spots, that it would jeopardize both of their necks.

And ultimately, with the current state of injuries appearing left/right in the WWE, I can see if Orton takes time off, that eventually the WWE brass comes back to him and makes him a top babyface or heel, depending on what the case is, and just overlooks all the past transgressions, to fit the current business need.

[Speilmen230]

Shame on you WWE. Haven't you learned that the guys who don't have a burning desire to be a pro-wrestler generally don't end up sticking around for very long?


New Direction For Type Of Talent WWE Is Looking For
by Justin LaBar
June 14, 2012

According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the belief in WWE is despite some of the top names in FCW coming from the indy wrestling scene, WWE doesn't feel independent wrestling is producing enough talent that are at WWE's level.

There is a "call to arms" in the company to look for big bodybuilder types who the company can turn in to stars.

The company is also looking at getting more guys who have experience in other sports. The plan would be to sign top level athletes and train them to be wrestlers.

[bartender_man]

Orton vs. Sting if built correctly could mean something.

Mehh I would not watch it...

[Doors Allan Coe]

Shame on you WWE. Haven't you learned that the guys who don't have a burning desire to be a pro-wrestler generally don't end up sticking around for very long?

Well they are part right. The indies are mostly the shits these days.

Up in New England I know a mere handful of guys who stand a chance. 9 out of 10 shows are local guys who barely work out or train. Just the difference between now and the 90's is ridiculous.

Barely anybody makes any money. Most shows are promoted by either workers needing a place to work or fans who overpay a few decent workers and bring in a smattering of shitty guys.

As much as it sucks, height makes might. As a booker I'd rather have a 6'7" guy who can work a decent match than a 5'10" who could works a spotty indytastic match. Even on a local level people pay for a good show, but that includes a host of different style matches.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Since my opinion doesn't mean much in this thread anymore, I'll just say....

1) Impact is so much better than Raw these days that it's not even funny.

2) Austin Aries > CM Punk > Daniel Bryan

[JacobLovesYou]

Impact was good tonight.

The James Storm video from his ranch was really bad. Most all of the video segments were really bad. I fast forwarded through the knockouts just like I do the divas. The Dixie Carter affair thing is bad. And they need to be careful with making the Sting/HOF thing a storyline (the way it ended). You only get one chance to start a HOF.

But overall I liked it. I'll DVR it again next week.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Since my opinion doesn't mean much in this thread anymore, I'll just say....

1) Impact is so much better than Raw these days that it's not even funny.

2) Austin Aries > CM Punk > Daniel Bryan

It's not totally meaningless. I'm a big Aries fan, I've been thinking of giving TNA one more shot. Hopefully you're not waaaay off and the show is still terrible.

Punk > Aries though. Maybe AA has improve on the mic, but back in ROH he was pretty rough.

[CrashDMB237]

Didn't watch last night but if it was anything like the first two live shows, it was far from good.

[davidhamrick10]

I'm gonna be completely truthfull and say that I rather enjoyed Impact last night. The Roode/Anderson match was well done and so was the BFG match. The ending with the guys attacking sting reminded me of late 90s WCW which is not a bad thing.

[crush0617]

Since my opinion doesn't mean much in this thread anymore, I'll just say....

1) Impact is so much better than Raw these days that it's not even funny.

2) Austin Aries > CM Punk > Daniel Bryan

I missed Impact from Last night but, I will try and watch this weekend. Overall Impact has been good.

I don't agree with your 2nd statement though.

IMO CM Punk > Austin Aries > Daniel Bryan

[JacobLovesYou]

yeah punk > aries still

you can't undervalue what being on the big stage is like just because we can watch both programs from the comfort of our couches. aries is all sorts of awesome, but what punk and aries are doing are very different. he gets to work in the same venue in front of an extremely similar crowd each and every week.

kind of like how some of the greatest college coaches couldn't cut it in the pros. aries has his niche right now. for all we know, he could be just as consistently awesome while working a WWE schedule (including the larger venues). but for me it's too hard to tell so i still give the edge to punk. although they need to give punk more of his edge back, especially if he's replacing orton as #2. we've already got cena, so let punk fill orton's role of viscious good guy (on the mic and in the ring).

[JacobLovesYou]

one last thing about TNA:

i liked last night's show because the x division match was good, the bound for glory gauntlet match was good, and the main event was good. the select few other impacts i've watched have been mostly crap but, i'll take 3 good matches any day of the week.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'd go Punk > D Bryan > Aries.

BUT, I like Aries. A lot.

[Pudgeman316]

I think Punk solidified himself as having already REPLACED Orton as #2 last summer. The PipeBomb/WeWantIceCream crap at the beginning of last summer should have finished the job for him.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Brock v. Tyson?

Wrestlemania?

[BotheDMBFan]

Tyson is fucking tiny now, I don't think that would work.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Tyson is fucking tiny now, I don't think that would work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhQuz5G5h4
Published on Jun 15, 2012 by HeymanHustle

It's happening...

Biggest Wresltemania ever?

I'm excited.

[jackisback24]

Holy 1984.

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1339803021

She really needs to go into the Hall next year.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhQuz5G5h4
Published on Jun 15, 2012 by HeymanHustle

It's happening...

Biggest Wresltemania ever?

I'm excited.

Was that Paul doing the voice over??

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhQuz5G5h4
Published on Jun 15, 2012 by HeymanHustle

It's happening...

Biggest Wresltemania ever?

I'm excited.

I still don't think it'll be Brock v Tyson. A lot of people are saying that's for a video game.

[BotheDMBFan]

Was that Paul doing the voice over??

It was someone doing a shitty Mickey impersonation.

[bartender_man]

Brock v. Tyson?

Wrestlemania?

I'd pay to see it

[K3nTaKa0s]

During Dave Meltzer's radio show for The Wrestling Observer, he reported that Paul "Triple H" Levesque is not allowing Mick Foley to be used on TV since his return in November.

Meltzer reported that Triple H slams Foley whenever his name is brought up in creative meetings. Brian Gerwitz, WWE's Senior Vice President of Creative Writing thinks Foley is a creative and good performer, but Levesque says Foley 'doesn't look tough' and can't be taken seriously as an in-ring performer.

A former WWE creative writer said to Power Slam in 2008 that Levesque would always insult Foley when he appeared for the company and hurt his value in the eyes of Vince and Stephanie McMahon.Levesque was quoted as saying: "Foley is an out-of-shape nobody. No one cares about him at all. Funaki puts more asses in the seats than Foley does. He should pay us for coming on our shows."It is believed that the reason Triple H does this is because he is irritated over the opinion from his closest co-workers that his matches with Foley in 2000 "made him a star".

Foley has also criticized Triple H in the past, including taking some shots at him in his 2007 autobiography The Hardcore Diaries. He was also against Triple H insulting Lilian Garcia on an April 2010 episode of RAW. He said he may have cost himself professional but had to say something.

[JimC]

I'm with Mick Foley on this one. I've never cared much for HHH. To me, he's just another guy who rode HBK's coattails.