Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Speilmen230]

this is all sorts of fail. I love how they use the same way for every heel to get over. Absolute squash tactics.

[ant_marching41]

Yeah a punch from a 7 foot tall 500 pound man. Yeah thats nothing.
How don't care how tall or fat he is. This isn't the Mayweather fight. To finish a match in that way is nothing short of lazy writing.

[kittensXLI]

Maybe, but WCW was like that to, and they were about 3 seconds away from putting Vince out of business.

Then again, they had Ted Turner.
????

[JacobLovesYou]

raw is going to own tna the week that stone cold hosts

[Speilmen230]

raw is going to own tna the week that stone cold hosts

agreed.

i hate how raw depends on who the guest host is.

[hbktonyb]

????

Literally. Vince has that as a quote. He said he was about a couple weeks away from declaring bankrupcy, no exagerration.

[hbktonyb]

This Raw fails. Everything sucks other than the HBK and Miz segment...until I learn that HBK just lost a retirement match. Great.

[kittensXLI]

Literally. Vince has that as a quote. He said he was about a couple weeks away from declaring bankrupcy, no exagerration.
I believe you, but when was this, why was this, and what caused the turn around?

[hbktonyb]

I will look it up tomorrow, but basically when Eric stole Bret Vince was really lagging, so he was all in with Stone Cold...and it worked. But he was losing a ton of money when the Outsiders, Hogan, Bret, Goldberg were all in WCdoubya

[AndySlash]

Did you guys know the Fingerpoke Of Doom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fingerpoke_of_Doom) has its own lengthy Wikipedia entry?

[BotheDMBFan]

I wrote it.

[Crush086]

I will look it up tomorrow, but basically when Eric stole Bret Vince was really lagging, so he was all in with Stone Cold...and it worked. But he was losing a ton of money when the Outsiders, Hogan, Bret, Goldberg were all in WCdoubya

The Outsiders were the greatest angle of all time.

In other news, this Raw sucked. Orton, once again, is nowhere near the top of the card, yet is engaging in the most interesting storyline today.

Batista sucks. WWE really needs to start having hosts more engaging and with more knowledge than frickin Jewel and Ty Murray.

[kittensXLI]

WWE really needs to stop having hosts.
Fixed.

...and yes, Batista is awful. I'd fire him in a second.

[ant_marching41]

Did you guys know the Fingerpoke Of Doom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fingerpoke_of_Doom) has its own lengthy Wikipedia entry?
I love the last line.

Shawn Michaels (http://www.antsmarching.org/wiki/Shawn_Michaels) referenced the incident in a 2005 feud with Hogan, asking, "So wadda ya gonna do when the Heartbreak Kid won't lay down for you?"

[K3nTaKa0s]

Raw was great tonight. Best Raw in a long time. Great guest host... great non-wrestling segments.. great interviews.. great matches. Man.. I can't wait for this to be posted on YouTube.

[Speilmen230]

Raw was great tonight. Best Raw in a long time. Great guest host... great non-wrestling segments.. great interviews.. great matches. Man.. I can't wait for this to be posted on YouTube.

say wha...????

[K3nTaKa0s]

Just felt like trying to make all of the Raw fans fell good.

[DmBand801]

Where were Haitch and Shaemus tonight?

[Speilmen230]

Where were Haitch and Shaemus tonight?

recovering from "injuries"

[DmBand801]

recovering from "injuries"

Weak.

Great raw ending too...

:thumbsdow

[Speilmen230]

so i want to get some good documentary dvd's.

Rise and fall of WCW
Monday night wars
Rise and Fall of ECW

anyone have any other recommendations?

Edit: i am also thinking about reading Controversy Creates Cash by Eric Bishoff

[BotheDMBFan]

Beyond the Mat.

[Speilmen230]

Beyond the Mat.

i have seen it numerous times.

[BotheDMBFan]

Good for you.

Wrestling docs suck for the most part.

[Speilmen230]

Good for you.

Wrestling docs suck for the most part.

my favorite thing i have ever read was Shawn Micheals' autobiography. great book with lots of insight and good content.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I watched an interview with Hall/Nash on Justin.tv before. I forget what it was called. It was a good watch.

[camaroz28dmb]

they are making this bret/vince storyline stupid. we arent seeing bret enough i dont think.

[GrooGrux420]

my favorite thing i have ever read was Shawn Micheals' autobiography. great book with lots of insight and good content.

Michaels just knows his shit about the business and wrestling in general.
Sadly however, even before TLC, Michaels announced he will take a break after WM. This match was set back in early Dec. Easy way for Taker to keep his streak, but Michaels knows how to work PPVs and make great matches, even at his age, IMO he is THE BEST when it comes to PPVs.

Roidtista vs. Cena is gonna suck (anyone see Cena shiver when Tista was smacking him around with the chair :lol Cena can't sell moves to save his life.)

Jericho vs. Edge will be great.

At least they are making the Divas match interesting this around by doing a 25 Diva Royal Rumble. :lol

Also anyone else see Taker catch on fire during the Elimination Chamber? I was wondering why his entrance was shorter than normal. :lol

http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/22/the-undertaker-wwe-wrestling-mishap-fireball-explosion-video/

[ExperienceJones]

So maybe this is a stretch but can anyone see this bret hart/mcmahon thing still happening? What if its all a work about him getting injured? Like it was set up by Cena/Hart so when Bret comes back for his farewell this next week vince will come out and offer to face him with his broken leg, then Hart throws away the crutches or wheelchair he's in and starts beating down Vince now that vince has accepted the offer.

I'm sure it's a huge stretch but it is wrestling anything is within reason when it comes to this silly ass writers.

[ExperienceJones]

Michaels just knows his shit about the business and wrestling in general.
Sadly however, even before TLC, Michaels announced he will take a break after WM. This match was set back in early Dec. Easy way for Taker to keep his streak, but Michaels knows how to work PPVs and make great matches, even at his age, IMO he is THE BEST when it comes to PPVs.

Roidtista vs. Cena is gonna suck (anyone see Cena shiver when Tista was smacking him around with the chair :lol Cena can't sell moves to save his life.)

Jericho vs. Edge will be great.

At least they are making the Divas match interesting this around by doing a 25 Diva Royal Rumble. :lol

Also anyone else see Taker catch on fire during the Elimination Chamber? I was wondering why his entrance was shorter than normal. :lol

http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/22/the-undertaker-wwe-wrestling-mishap-fireball-explosion-video/

Did you notice he had like yellow burn lotion/gell on his chin and lip area while taking to HBK? I bet his chest is pretty bad right now, you could tell sunday night that he was getting really red/pink after the incident.

[K3nTaKa0s]

- The Midwest Ambulance service has been receiving so many phone calls regarding the status of Bret Hart (they were the ambulance company used on Raw last week), that they posted the following message on their website…

"ATTENTION: Please do not call 222-2222 regarding the condition of Bret "Hit Man" Hart. Contact the WWE for updates. Our number is for emergency calls only. Thank you."

[BotheDMBFan]

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I guess it worked.

[Crush086]

- The Midwest Ambulance service has been receiving so many phone calls regarding the status of Bret Hart (they were the ambulance company used on Raw last week), that they posted the following message on their website…

"ATTENTION: Please do not call 222-2222 regarding the condition of Bret "Hit Man" Hart. Contact the WWE for updates. Our number is for emergency calls only. Thank you."
:lol

That's gold.

Honestly, I have no clue what the deal with the accident is. Vince inviting him back for a final farewell seems to be too much BS. Then I thought during the Batista/Cena match, Vince would get involved somehow, and Bret would make a "surprise" appearance and get his revenge. Then I thought Cena would hang it over Vince's head like, "this happened on your show and your watch, so you're responsible", but that wouldn't make a ton of sense either.

So I'm truly lost on this whole accident angle.

[kittensXLI]

Not lost in a good way either; lost because this is beyond stupid.

[airon26]

http://tv.msn.com/video/tv/?g=f5c87220-ef64-47e2-a39a-f4710ce2cbaa&from=msnhp&GT1=28103

[Speilmen230]

who is watching NXT tonight?

[ant_marching41]

who is watching NXT tonight?
I would, but I'll most likely be going out tonight after Lost.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I may watch it... if I remember.

[Speilmen230]

so march 8th is when TNA makes the big move to Mondays. March 8th is when WWE has Criss Angel as their guest host.

I will easily be tuning in to TNA

[K3nTaKa0s]

so march 8th is when TNA makes the big move to Mondays. March 8th is when WWE has Criss Angel as their guest host.

I will easily be tuning in to TNA

You mean you don't want to watch magic with Santino and the Bella Twins?

[Speilmen230]

You mean you don't want to watch magic with Santino and the Bella Twins?

it sounds so tempting but i think i will pass...

[kittensXLI]

When is Steve Austin hosting? Thought it was March 8th?

[Speilmen230]

When is Steve Austin hosting? Thought it was March 8th?

march 15th

[Speilmen230]

LMAO!!! daniel bryan is great!

[Crush086]

It makes sense for Austin to host on the 15th. WWE is going to see what TNA is capable of on the 8th, and TNA will probably throw it all out there. So WWE let's them do their thing, but also know any earlier wrestling fan is going to want to see Stone Cold for one night only (although they really screwed Bret Hart up), so everyone tunes back in to WWE the next week, and TNA loses alot of steam upon going live.

[hbktonyb]

How was NXT? I missed it.

[Speilmen230]

How was NXT? I missed it.
actually had some good wrestling matches but it is not what was advertised. they are already incorporating storyline's. I originally thought that this was going to be tough enough just revamped with people who already knew the ropes, but it is essentially just a minor league with lame storylines.

[Speilmen230]

It makes sense for Austin to host on the 15th. WWE is going to see what TNA is capable of on the 8th, and TNA will probably throw it all out there. So WWE let's them do their thing, but also know any earlier wrestling fan is going to want to see Stone Cold for one night only (although they really screwed Bret Hart up), so everyone tunes back in to WWE the next week, and TNA loses alot of steam upon going live.
actually this makes a lot of sense. it could have also been that WWE didn't know about the move to monday until TNA announced it and they didn't want to seem weak by switching up Austin for the 8th.

[Styx Cover Band]

- The Midwest Ambulance service has been receiving so many phone calls regarding the status of Bret Hart (they were the ambulance company used on Raw last week), that they posted the following message on their website…

"ATTENTION: Please do not call 222-2222 regarding the condition of Bret "Hit Man" Hart. Contact the WWE for updates. Our number is for emergency calls only. Thank you."

:lol:lol Wow, it is really sad that people don't know that it is fake and are worried enough to call to make sure he is ok

How was NXT? I missed it.

I thought it was eh. The Miz slipped and called Daniel Bryan 'Danielson' which i thought was funny. Good to see Dragon taking on a World champ as the main event though, but Michael Cole was killing all of his creditably after Josh Matthews was explaining his indy record and Cole just saying 'i have never heard of him' way to go. I was pretty bummed that they didn't have Low Ki on the show though.

[Speilmen230]

:lol:lol Wow, it is really sad that people don't know that it is fake and are worried enough to call to make sure he is ok



I thought it was eh. The Miz slipped and called Daniel Bryan 'Danielson' which i thought was funny. Good to see Dragon taking on a World champ as the main event though, but Michael Cole was killing all of his creditably after Josh Matthews was explaining his indy record and Cole just saying 'i have never heard of him' way to go. I was pretty bummed that they didn't have Low Ki on the show though.
Michael Cole completely buried Bryan. Was being an elitist about performing on "the big scale" saying that performing in a bingo hall in front of 50 people and doing well is all great and well but doing it in the WWE is something completely different."

[Styx Cover Band]

Michael Cole completely buried Bryan. Was being an elitist about performing on "the big scale" saying that performing in a bingo hall in front of 50 people and doing well is all great and well but doing it in the WWE is something completely different."

I figured they would at least mention that he was trained by Shawn Michaels, but I guess that is asking for to much.

[ExperienceJones]

Michael Cole has been becoming more and more annoying but no one irritates me more than Matt Stryker, I hate him.

[Speilmen230]

I figured they would at least mention that he was trained by Shawn Michaels, but I guess that is asking for to much.

in all hoensty just turn cole heel. like seriously, because he was siding with Miz last night, so you might as well just make him heel.

[JacobLovesYou]

i really miss having an announcer be unabashedly for the bad guy. cole might be too fruity to be that guy though.

[kittensXLI]

How did Cole even develop this cocky, jerk attitude? Because he's been around since 1997 so he feels entitled?

[JacobLovesYou]

my brother mentioned that it looks like he's roiding up under that jacket too.

[Crush086]

The Rock needs to punk him around again when he makes his return.

[kittensXLI]

How did this guy :
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/m/michaelcole/06.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/m/michaelcole/01.jpg

turn into this guy :
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/michael-cole_19324.jpg

[AndySlash]

Michael Cole completely buried Bryan. Was being an elitist about performing on "the big scale" saying that performing in a bingo hall in front of 50 people and doing well is all great and well but doing it in the WWE is something completely different."

Cole is the ultimate corporate shill. Whatever he is saying is usually coming from McMahon. It seems they're giving Cole a "character" to be, but you'll have to remember that what most of what Cole says on commentary is coming from Vince McMahon first. While I don't doubt Cole didn't know who Danielson was, I do believe that those were Vince's words first and foremost.

[AndySlash]

turn into this guy :
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/michael-cole_19324.jpg

fuck he's even starting to look like vince

[K3nTaKa0s]

Mannnnn.... I knew that Otunga looked familiar from somewhere! He was "Punk" on I Love New York. heh, heh.

[ant_marching41]

Mannnnn.... I knew that Otunga looked familiar from somewhere! He was "Punk" on I Love New York. heh, heh.
Thank! You! :lol:lol:lol

[kittensXLI]

I have no idea what any of that means.

[justinandimcool]

Just watched some of NXT on Youtube, and the most exciting thing I've seen in wrestling in about 5 years happened. LION TAMER!!!

[devilandthelord]

Just watched some of NXT on Youtube, and the most exciting thing I've seen in wrestling in about 5 years happened. LION TAMER!!!

post please.

[justinandimcool]

Around 5:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFaMP6-Scw

[ExperienceJones]

I love it when Jericho actually puts people in the Lion tamer instead of the Boston Crab. I hate it when he's got people in the boston crab and the announcers are screaming, LION TAMER LION TAMER.

The lion Tamer is dope, love how he puts his knee is the guys neck and head, great!

[devilandthelord]

I love it when Jericho actually puts people in the Lion tamer instead of the Boston Crab. I hate it when he's got people in the boston crab and the announcers are screaming, LION TAMER LION TAMER.

The lion Tamer is dope, love how he puts his knee is the guys neck and head, great!

Absolutely. The lion tamer was always kick ass, and his shitty walls of jericho/boston crab was always lame.
He must go back to the lion tamer all the time.

[Speilmen230]

I have a feeling that Edge/Jericho is going to be a kick ass match at WM.

[ant_marching41]

I love it when Jericho actually puts people in the Lion tamer instead of the Boston Crab. I hate it when he's got people in the boston crab and the announcers are screaming, LION TAMER LION TAMER.

The lion Tamer is dope, love how he puts his knee is the guys neck and head, great!
When he had Danielson in that submission, I actually thought to myself, "ouch, that really has to hurt."

[ExperienceJones]

When he had Danielson in that submission, I actually thought to myself, "ouch, that really has to hurt."

Yup, that move just looks like it would kill you with pain, I'd tap for sure. haha.

[DmBand801]

Yup, that move just looks like it would kill you with pain, I'd tap for sure. haha.

The regular boston crab hurts like hell, let alone the lion tamer :lol

[hbktonyb]

Anyone actually try submissions? The figure four is the most painful hold.

Sharp Shooter isn't as bad.

[DmBand801]

Anyone actually try submissions? The figure four is the most painful hold.

Sharp Shooter isn't as bad.

Crippler Crossface = torture.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What about the Crossface Chickenwing?

[clayj41]

I snapped a kid's ankle once peforming an ankle lock. My parents were so proud of me.

[comerelaxnow]

I have a feeling that Edge/Jericho is going to be a kick ass match at WM.


:thumbsup:thumbsup

Jericho is still a kick ass wrestler they have just dumbed him down for a while. Throw him in there with Edge and we will see a great match

[Speilmen230]

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Jericho is still a kick ass wrestler they have just dumbed him down for a while. Throw him in there with Edge and we will see a great match

i just hope Edge can still put on a great performance and didn't push his return up too far.

[kittensXLI]

Edge looks out of shape.

[comerelaxnow]

Edge looks out of shape.

I saw Edge live last friday night. Dude looks pumped and ready to go!

[Speilmen230]

I saw Edge live last friday night. Dude looks pumped and ready to go!

Edge really is the best personality/Performer combo that they have right now. he is easily by far the best.

[kittensXLI]

Love your new avatar.

[Speilmen230]

Love your new avatar.

thank you. i thought it would put a smile on everyones face....atleast in this thread hahaha

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxTRUlOEeY0

Probably one of my favorite entrance songs at the moment.

[Speilmen230]

so do we have a set WM card yet??

[K3nTaKa0s]

* Money In The Bank Ladder Match: Christian vs. Seven Others
* Career vs. Streak: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker
* WWE Title Match: Batista © vs. John Cena
* World Title Match: Chris Jericho © vs. Edge

Three more will be added to the Money in the Bank match tomorrow night. Someone showed me Smackdown spoilers.

[hbktonyb]

Just watched nXt...at least it is better than ECW.

[ant_marching41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxTRUlOEeY0

Probably one of my favorite entrance songs at the moment.
The WWE needs to bring back the rockin instrumental theme songs from the 90s. I'm sick of theme songs having lyrics in them. Shawn Michaels and "The Game" being the few exceptions. Those I consider classics.

Just watched nXt...at least it is better than ECW.
That's for sure. The problem is, and I think that everybody in this thread loves The Miz, but they took a "reality" tv show, and gave it a story with him and Danielson. That's where they lost me.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Maybe Criss Angel will make Hornswoggle disappear for good on March 8th.

[Aussiemetfan]

Maybe Criss Angel will make Hornswoggle disappear for good on March 8th.

chop cole in half too please

[ant_marching41]

Maybe Criss Angel will make Hornswoggle disappear for good on March 8th.
You've been dead on so far when it comes to predicting outcomes. I sincerely hope your streak stays hot.

[Speilmen230]

honestly how crazy would it be if he made the ring disappear?? like seriously? come on... tell me you wouldn't be impressed.

[Speilmen230]

Anyone watching Impact?

[ant_marching41]

MINDFREEEEAAAK!

Are you ready?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'll be watching Impact.

[Speilmen230]

Impact goes... Science Fiction??? the ring makes abyss better???

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think Abyss' character is the only one that silliness would work with.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Flair is THE MAN!!!

Hahahahah. Old school Hulk theme.

[Speilmen230]

I think Abyss' character is the only one that silliness would work with.

this just feels really gimmicky.. i mean if you want to argue that the undertaker and kane had powers, with the lightning, but i never saw hogan as the type to be in a scifi type storyline.

[Speilmen230]

Flair is losing it..

[K3nTaKa0s]

Flair is way too much.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Flair > Raw

[Speilmen230]

im digging this... i like this so far.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh shit. Business is picking up.

[Speilmen230]

i am liking this so far. good stuff.

[Speilmen230]

i wonder what ric flairs blood pressure is...

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think Flair lost a couple pounds during that segment.

[Speilmen230]

I think Flair lost a couple pounds during that segment.

:lol:lol:lol

so far this weeks Impact is way more interesting than Raw was on monday.

[K3nTaKa0s]

God. At least they're getting them out of the way early.

Edit: Tables match. heh.

[Speilmen230]

cute little match...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Yes! Daffney!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hahahahaha. Duggan impersonation by X-Pac.

[Speilmen230]

impact is actually a pretty solid show all things considered.

[kittensXLI]

What has happened so far?

[Speilmen230]

What has happened so far?

confrontation between Hogan/Abyss & Flair/Styles

nasty boys team 3d table match

womens match

Mic foley Bishoff segment

Jarret Bishoff segment

[Speilmen230]

lol that is not barbed wire.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I've heard good things about Kaz. Never seen him though.

Edit: Ohh... so this guy was previously known as Suicide?

[kittensXLI]

I don't recall him ever being known as Suicide, but I could be wrong. Frankie Kazarian is legit, though, ever since like 2005.

[hbktonyb]

TNA pretty good.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Freaking Double J.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Easy E got it right.

[kittensXLI]

????

[Speilmen230]

i kinda like the storyline between Scott Hall/6 Pac and Nash/Eric Young is actually pretty good.

[Crush086]

Tonights Impact was pretty solid. That move Kaz hit Kendrick with off the top rope (the finisher) was pretty sweet. I can't even remember the time I saw a move like that in WWE.

And Eric Bischoff taking another shot at WWE was nice too. If anyone missed, he said (and I paraphrase a bit): "Putting a celebrity guest host every week? Come on, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of".

Not to mention TNA advertising the "wars" as coming back on the 8th. I can't wait for this.

[Speilmen230]

Tonights Impact was pretty solid. That move Kaz hit Kendrick with off the top rope (the finisher) was pretty sweet. I can't even remember the time I saw a move like that in WWE.

And Eric Bischoff taking another shot at WWE was nice too. If anyone missed, he said (and I paraphrase a bit): "Putting a celebrity guest host every week? Come on, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of".

Not to mention TNA advertising the "wars" as coming back on the 8th. I can't wait for this.

i am actually really genuinely excited. Granted you may not have the little kiddies changing the channel away from their beloved John Cena, but the people like us and all of the online community will be watching TNA im sure.

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA is still fucking brutally awful for 90% of it. Also, if the Angle to WWE rumours are true, that's even less of a reason to watch.

[Crush086]

TNA is still fucking brutally awful for 90% of it. Also, if the Angle to WWE rumours are true, that's even less of a reason to watch.
I like their format better. They have way less filler than WWE does. These guest hosts put so much unneccesary crap in the show. A bull riding competition? wtf was the point of that? The Miz (whom I'm still not sold on yet) and the Big Show saved that from being worse than it already was.

TNA might have a couple strange twists in the show (Hogan's magic ring and Samoa Joe getting abducted and nobody really giving a shit), but their matches are way better, which gives them the nod in my book.

And really, I don't know how far Vince can really take it since Linda's running appears to be such a big factor in how the show is run today. TNA is bringing blood, and WWE brings................Hornswoggle.

If TNA starts to take control like WCW did, how far will Vince go to bring WWE back to the top?

[kittensXLI]

I like their format better. They have way less filler than WWE does. These guest hosts put so much unneccesary crap in the show. A bull riding competition? wtf was the point of that? The Miz (whom I'm still not sold on yet) and the Big Show saved that from being worse than it already was.

TNA might have a couple strange twists in the show (Hogan's magic ring and Samoa Joe getting abducted and nobody really giving a shit), but their matches are way better, which gives them the nod in my book.

And really, I don't know how far Vince can really take it since Linda's running appears to be such a big factor in how the show is run today. TNA is bringing blood, and WWE brings................Hornswoggle.

If TNA starts to take control like WCW did, how far will Vince go to bring WWE back to the top?
Hopefully the distance.

[ExperienceJones]

The end of TNA last night was the worst thing ever. Seeing flair totally miss on punches and crap. Why are these old farts trying to wrestle. Like we didn't know Hogan was going to team with abyss but everyone involved acted like it was a giant surprised. Thought it was horrible.

[ExperienceJones]

TNA is still fucking brutally awful for 90% of it. Also, if the Angle to WWE rumours are true, that's even less of a reason to watch.

:thumbsup

Horrible.

[ant_marching41]

http://www.justin.tv/the_riz#r=5t1HNuY~

Legacy of Stone Cold.

He's cutting a promo with ecw now. Hilarious.

[Crush086]

The end of TNA last night was the worst thing ever. Seeing flair totally miss on punches and crap. Why are these old farts trying to wrestle. Like we didn't know Hogan was going to team with abyss but everyone involved acted like it was a giant surprised. Thought it was horrible.
I think they're just trying to draw people in for the March 8th show. Although I'm sure people are going to watch TNA over WWE or vice versa for other reasons, if anyone doesn't know about TNA enough or something, I'm thinking that Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair will be popular enough names for them to tune in.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.justin.tv/the_riz#r=5t1HNuY~

Legacy of Stone Cold.

He's cutting a promo with ecw now. Hilarious.

i hate my school internet, i can't watch justin tv because my internet has all these add ons that make watching streams impossible. it freezes every 10 seconds because they have a block on constant feeds so that they can block us from torrenting and using P2P

[Speilmen230]

I think they're just trying to draw people in for the March 8th show. Although I'm sure people are going to watch TNA over WWE or vice versa for other reasons, if anyone doesn't know about TNA enough or something, I'm thinking that Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair will be popular enough names for them to tune in.

don't forget Mic Foley and Eric Bishoff, two huge names in the Business.

[Crush086]

don't forget Mic Foley and Eric Bishoff, two huge names in the Business.
That too.

Really though, if TNA is going to make a mark, they'll need a really strong show on the 8th. But, I also think that Bischoff knows what it takes to be number one, especially if he can cash in on the Attitude Era fans.

Not only that, but all the shots they've been taking at Vince and WWE, I hope they don't fall flat on their face.

[Speilmen230]

That too.

Really though, if TNA is going to make a mark, they'll need a really strong show on the 8th. But, I also think that Bischoff knows what it takes to be number one, especially if he can cash in on the Attitude Era fans.

Not only that, but all the shots they've been taking at Vince and WWE, I hope they don't fall flat on their face.

:thumbsup to all of this. Eric knows what it takes and he is now much smarter too because i think he learned a lot from his mistakes in the past.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It saddened me to read that the WWE released Maria.

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/131086/JR-Talks-About-His-WWE-Contract-Status.htm

Maybe Maria and J.R. will both head to TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The Miz vs. Edge on Smackdown right now.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Edge reminds me of DDP.

[DmBand801]

solid match between Miz-Edge.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wrasslemania Card so far...

World Title
Chris Jericho (c) vs Edge

WWE Title
Batista (c) vs John Cena

Streak vs Michael's Career
The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Christian vs Dolph Ziggler vs Kane vs Shelton Benjamin vs ?? vs ?? vs ?? vs ??

[K3nTaKa0s]

The Greatest of All-Time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp86ysvSvKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdfCQqCjEC8

[Speilmen230]

So i figured that i would go ahead and make my 4,500th post in here since this is by far my favorite thread.

Here is to the business that we all love, improving heavily over the next year! :)

Much love to everyone in here, you guys are all great!

[Evans]

Reading a great book right now called Ring of Hell (about the Benoit murders and how the wrestling industry operates in different places around the world).

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.justin.tv/lwhdtv4#r=nLGHB5I~ -- If anyone is bored.

[kittensXLI]

How do I get rid of the chat box and all that other stuff blocking the video stream screen? I can never watch his videos because of all the crap in the way.

[K3nTaKa0s]

There wasn't anything in the way when I was watching it. You can minimize the chat box.. hmm.. there's a button on there that looks like an arrow.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The third episode of TNA Epics, which focuses on the X-Division, has been moved to March 15 at 8PM. Impact will then air at 9PM.

March 15th's Raw will be hosted by Stone Cold Steve Austin, so many see this as an attempt to bring viewers to TNA before Stone Cold gets on the air.

[Crush086]

The third episode of TNA Epics, which focuses on the X-Division, has been moved to March 15 at 8PM. Impact will then air at 9PM.

March 15th's Raw will be hosted by Stone Cold Steve Austin, so many see this as an attempt to bring viewers to TNA before Stone Cold gets on the air.

That's probably the best thing they could do. The X-Division is pretty solid in TNA. I doubt that'll keep many from tuning into Austin, but I think it'll be a good hour.

[Speilmen230]

That's probably the best thing they could do. The X-Division is pretty solid in TNA. I doubt that'll keep many from tuning into Austin, but I think it'll be a good hour.

i will be channel flipping like it's 1998.

[ExperienceJones]

Any chance that tonight Hart jumps out of a wheel chair and isn't actually injured? It wouldn't totally surprise me if their storyline was a setup to get vince back into the match by faking the injury. Hoping for a good Raw tonight.

[kittensXLI]

Is Bret going to be on tonight?

[ExperienceJones]

Is Bret going to be on tonight?

Yeah, he's supposed to be giving his final Farewell to the WWE Universe...hasn't he done that like the last two times he's been on.

Anyway, he's supposed to be on tonight. Maybe there is still a hart/McMahon match in the works and this accident was just part of the story line since Vince bailed on the match. Or I'm just trying to dream up a way to see Bret in another match. I'm sure nothing great will happen tonight when it comes to Bret.

[kittensXLI]

Even though tonight is the third farewell, I guarantee it's obviously not the last he'll be around. I think it's more likely for Bret to jump out of the wheelchair at WM than on Raw, but I guess we'll see. The only way to salvage this awful storyline is to have Vince challenge Bret to a match, thinking he's stuck immobilized. Then after it's agreed, Bret attacks and shows it's a hoax. Then he's gone until the WM match, and all leading up can be Vince segments of prepping and training like back when he was facing Austin.

[ExperienceJones]

Even though tonight is the third farewell, I guarantee it's obviously not the last he'll be around. I think it's more likely for Bret to jump out of the wheelchair at WM than on Raw, but I guess we'll see. The only way to salvage this awful storyline is to have Vince challenge Bret to a match, thinking he's stuck immobilized. Then after it's agreed, Bret attacks and shows it's a hoax. Then he's gone until the WM match, and all leading up can be Vince segments of prepping and training like back when he was facing Austin.

I agree 100%, is there anything better than watching Vinnie Mac pump iron?

[Crush086]

If this Hart car accident is not a ploy to get a piece of McMahon and they try to pass it off as real, I'm going to lose hope for Austin being a good guest host.

I don't know if they could butcher Hart's return much worse than they currently are.

[K3nTaKa0s]

This might be the last week I watch Raw on Monday nights.

[Speilmen230]

This might be the last week I watch Raw on Monday nights.

i think that tonight is a very pivotal night for WWE to rope in the majority of their fans to say "Hey stay with us in the coming weeks and we will reward you with great programming."

[Crush086]

This might be the last week I watch Raw on Monday nights.
I know most here think Orton is boring, but him and Legacy (or rather Rhodes and DiBiase now) are really the only reason I watch on Monday.

If they weren't on so frequently I wouldn't watch it nowhere near as often.

One thing they should bring back is actual title changes on Raw instead of always happening at the PPVs. These matches hold no water or interest because you know who's going to win before the match (with the exception of DX losing the tag titles, but that was obviously to prep for Michaels' soon to be hiatus).

I remember when Vince would attempt to screw someone, and a night after a PPV he'd want to put the title right back up for grabs, and the challenger would actually win it.

Also, is it not hilarious how Sheamus loses the title, and was mentioned as challenging for it at WM only if Cena lost to Batista? What a joke to drop the guy from the title chase until after WM.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I've been sitting through a lot of bad Raws over a very long period. I need the change on Monday Nights.

I was always a WCW guy, so that's part of it, too.

[Speilmen230]

I've been sitting through a lot of bad Raws over a very long period. I need the change on Monday Nights.

I was always a WCW guy, so that's part of it, too.
we all have unfortunately :shrug i for one am going to continue to support TNA in its endeavors because competition is 100% vital to the professional Wrestling business. IMO currently TNA is putting out a superior product with way less to work with.

[kittensXLI]

WWE should worry about fixing their crappy title situation before altering what shows they change hands on.

[Speilmen230]

WWE should worry about fixing their crappy title situation before altering what shows they change hands on.

im telling ya this would solve a lot of their problems.

combine and downsize their roster to end the brand split and make this the following titles

WWE Heavyweight Championship (Completely new Belt design that doesn't look like plastic)

WWE Tag Team Championship Belts (Use whichever pair they want)

Intercontinental Championship (Current Belt)

ECW Championship (Use the now unused ECW belt for a Hardcore/Cruiserweight division, this will create high energy matches and it is a title that can change hands on live tv to create buzz and excitement mid program like the 9:45 10:20 points of Raw)

WWE Womens Championship (I hate the look of that Divas belt, it is almost as bad as the current WWE championship)

[kittensXLI]

That's a great title solution. I'd scrap the Womens Title completely, though. The ECW belt was waaay too big also. While a hardcore title would be nice, I'd still like to have the US Title in play. The original setup of World, IC, European, Hardcore, Tag Team was perfect. :bang :bang :bang

[ExperienceJones]

The European Title was D-Lo Brown's claim to fame

[AndySlash]

I don't get the Maria release.

At least we got a playboy spread out of it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Maria was retarded and couldn't do anything.

[Speilmen230]

That's a great title solution. I'd scrap the Womens Title completely, though. The ECW belt was waaay too big also. While a hardcore title would be nice, I'd still like to have the US Title in play. The original setup of World, IC, European, Hardcore, Tag Team was perfect. :bang :bang :bang

well then using this logic i would just fix my solution to look like this


WWE Heavyweight Championship (Completely new Belt design that doesn't look like plastic)

WWE Tag Team Championship Belts (Use whichever pair they want)

Intercontinental Championship (Current Belt)

United States Championship (Current Belt)

ECW Championship (Use the now unused ECW belt for a Hardcore/Cruiserweight division, this will create high energy matches and it is a title that can change hands on live tv to create buzz and excitement mid program like the 9:45 10:20 points of Raw)


And have the talent break down look like this

WWE Heavyweight Championship
Main Eventers: HHH, Edge, Jericho, Orton, Cena, Undertaker ect. ect.

Intercontinental Championship
Upper MidCarders: Kofi, Dibiase, Christian, The Miz, John Morrison ect ect.

United States Championship
Mid Carders & New Talent: Carlito, R-Truth, Drew McIntyre, Kane, MVP ect. ect.

Tag Team Championships
Any Tag Teams: ShowMiz, Cryme Time, Straight Edge Society ect. ect.

ECW Championship
Hardcore, Crusierweights, New Talent, Exciting Wrestlers: Shelton Benjamin, Matt Hardy, Jimmy Wang Yang, Finlay, Evan Bourne ect. ect.

With this divas will return to where they were in the attitude era, Valets, Managers, Occasional competitors, & nice things to look at. Currently there are 16 divas. that is by far the most ever.

[Crush086]

All of the divas are retarded and can't do anything.
Fixed.

[K3nTaKa0s]

One can only hope that Maria decides to do hardcore porn.

[BotheDMBFan]

One can only hope that Maria decides to do hardcore porn.

Her face and mental handicap makes me never want to see this. Oh, and I don't watch porn.

[kittensXLI]

:lol

Not because that was funny, either.

[Speilmen230]

:lol

Not because that was funny, either.

:thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

:thumbsup

Affleck > Damon.

[JacobLovesYou]

damon>most everyone else acting in hollywood in his age bracket

[BotheDMBFan]

damon>most everyone else acting in hollywood in his age bracket

Damon, while awesome, is fairly one dimensional. He's really good, don't get me wrong, but he's no Affleck.

[kittensXLI]

Man, the crowd just went crazy for HBK.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Triple Haitch?

[kittensXLI]

HHH for sure.

[K3nTaKa0s]

So fucking predictable.

[kittensXLI]

Shocking.

[Speilmen230]

Ahh the great Re-match clause!!!

[kittensXLI]

So does H accidentally or purposely cause HBK the match at Wrestlemania?

[Speilmen230]

So does H accidentally or purposely cause HBK the match at Wrestlemania?

eh???

[K3nTaKa0s]

How about Cheech on Nash Bridges? lol.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Well, isn't this great?

[kittensXLI]

eh???
No way DX wins tonight. No more confrontations after tonight until WM. HHH comes out during the match and either screws HBK over, retiring him, keeping 'taker's streak alive, thus setting up the feud which would end HBK's career for real next year; or H accidentally costs him the match, HBK is forced to leave, takes his kayfabe time off, then returns for revenge, culminating in the same outcome of having H retire him next year.

[Speilmen230]

No way DX wins tonight. No more confrontations after tonight until WM. HHH comes out during the match and either screws HBK over, retiring him, keeping 'taker's streak alive, thus setting up the feud which would end HBK's career for real next year; or H accidentally costs him the match, HBK is forced to leave, takes his kayfabe time off, then returns for revenge, culminating in the same outcome of having H retire him next year.

that seems way too creative and somewhat good of a storyline for WWE. i am thinking that HHH and HBK win the titles tonight then HBK loses at WM following night triple H vacates the titles setting up a tournament for the titles. and HHH seeks out either a) revenge on Taker or b) seeks WWE/WHC gold

[K3nTaKa0s]

Randy Orton, a face.

[Speilmen230]

Randy Orton is still the best young major star they have on Raw. Randy Orton >>>>>>>John Cena

[kittensXLI]

that seems way too creative and somewhat good of a storyline for WWE. i am thinking that HHH and HBK win the titles tonight then HBK loses at WM following night triple H vacates the titles setting up a tournament for the titles. and HHH seeks out either a) revenge on Taker or b) seeks WWE/WHC gold
If HBK accidentally hits H with Sweet Chin Music, I think the 'E might (hopefully) be in the same mindset as myself. If DX wins tonight - which would be in typical 'E fashion to degrade title prestige - then I am once again dumb for thinking they'd do the right thing.

A tournament would be nice to decide real tag champions, though. Some real tag teams need to be established first.

[kittensXLI]

Randy Orton is still the best young major star they have on Raw. Randy Orton >>>>>>>John Cena
Unquestionably. When I look at Randy Orton, I see a professional wrestler. When I look at John Cena, I see a manufactured wanna-be.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hornswoggle Sightings: 2

[K3nTaKa0s]

Swagger should (and better!) win this.

[kittensXLI]

No idea who he's facing, but I'll pick Swagger tonight.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Great match.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'd like to see Swagger win the MITB.

[DMBfan41]

Well, they aren't doing anything to make me want to watch next week instead of TNA. 2 Hornswoggle appearances, stupid guest hosts, a 30 second match, and a DQ. TNA is looking good next week

[Speilmen230]

they should make the money in the bank qualifying matches actual ladder matches where they climb the ladder and grab the briefcase to secure their spot in the actual match.


Edit: if only the wwe knew of my true talent and knowledge of how to make programming better hahaha jk

[Speilmen230]

I love how they have a Did you Know every week to let you know how good they are. that is just pure arrogance.

[kittensXLI]

I find it hard to believe the "Did you know?" is 100% accurate.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Batista should be on Sons of Anarchy.

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

Unquestionably. When I look at Randy Orton, I see a professional wrestler. When I look at John Cena, I see a manufactured wanna-be.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

I feel the same way that Batista does.

[kittensXLI]

I feel the same way that Batista does.
While I agree and feel the same too, Batista is an awful worker and way too injury prone.

[kittensXLI]

Can I make my Wrestlemania picks right now? This Raw just gave away all the winners. I'll take Undertaker, John Cena, Bret Hart, and Christian or Jack Swagger to win MITB. I'll take the Miz if he gets a match also. So predictable.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I wonder how those tattoos will look on him when he's 60.

[DMBfan41]

im loving Batista. I really hope he destroys Cena

[camaroz28dmb]

that was such a pathetic segment. batista has zero charisma.

[Speilmen230]

Bastista just PWND Cena. Too bad i can't root for either because One is an Awful wrestler and the other is just Annoying..

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

I'd pick almost anyone over Cena... & personally I like Batista but that's just my opinion

[camaroz28dmb]

i just noticed undertaker is wearing his gear from the late 90s. thats awesome. hes still my favorite thats active full time. i hope he kills HBK.

[kittensXLI]

Obviously this piece of crap MVP is going to win.

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

i just noticed undertaker is wearing his gear from the late 90s. thats awesome. hes still my favorite thats active full time. i hope he kills HBK.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

I love squash matches.

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

Can I ask what is happening right now? It's my first night in Ireland & I'm not sure if what I'm seeing on the internet is what's happening back home.

[DMBfan41]

Why can't they just make an announcement saying whose gonna be in the MITB match and then build up some bad blood before Wrestlemania. Why waste my time watching these matches. I hate MVP.

[AndySlash]

Ryder and Bourne may soon be future endeavoured if tonight is any indication.

[kittensXLI]

MVP is such a joke. I'd love to fire him. Definition of someone trying too hard and having no real talent.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Man, oh man.

[Speilmen230]

Can I ask what is happening right now? It's my first night in Ireland & I'm not sure if what I'm seeing on the internet is what's happening back home.

Diva Pillow fight. :D

[Speilmen230]

Man, oh man.

my thoughts exactly.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hornswoggle Sightings: 3

[Speilmen230]

Hornswoggle Sightings: 3

omg.. this guy gets more air time than the crowd does.

[Speilmen230]

is it just me or is the Hall Of Fame class really weak this year?

[JacobLovesYou]

hornswaggle again. the cereal thing was at least partially clever.

did you hear the kids start screaming in joy when the horny-waggle music started?

and did you hear michael cole yell "vintage hornswaggle!" right before they just cut to the HOF thing? wtf?!?

[Speilmen230]

hornswaggle again. the cereal thing was at least partially clever.

did you hear the kids start screaming in joy when the horny-waggle music started?

and did you hear michael cole yell "vintage hornswaggle!" right before they just cut to the HOF thing? wtf?!?

you are shitting me... my volume is down so my roommate can watch his movie.

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

Diva Pillow fight. :D

Jesse you would be the one to let me know! :twak lol... but yeah, definitely not what I'm seeing

[ShAkiNMoNkEY41]

you are shitting me... my volume is down so my roommate can watch his movie.

damn you andy!

[JacobLovesYou]

you are shitting me... my volume is down so my roommate can watch his movie.

i'm dead serious. literally half a second before they cut to the HOF thing michael cole was getting lucky charms thrown at him and he yelled "vintage hornswaggle!" and i was just like.. huh? that's a low even for cole.

[K3nTaKa0s]

He did say Vintage Hornswoggle.

[mja271]

"If you put the letter 'S' in front of Hitman, you have my exact opinion of Bret Hart"

lol gotta love Stone Cold.

[kittensXLI]

Didn't we all predict this weeks ago?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Heh.

[JacobLovesYou]

i have a feeling stone cold is coming out tonight to set up his host job in a few weeks

[kittensXLI]

i have a feeling stone cold is coming out tonight to set up his host job in a few weeks
Disagree?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Vince cracks me up.

[JacobLovesYou]

Disagree?

when do you think he'll come out? i mean he can't just show at that night and say "i'm hosting tonight!"

somethings gotta happen with him sometime

[mja271]

this is almost sad to watch lol

[kittensXLI]

when do you think he'll come out? i mean he can't just show at that night and say "i'm hosting tonight!"

somethings gotta happen with him sometime
I thought they just announced the upcoming hosts?

this is sad to watch lol
Fixed.

[camaroz28dmb]

cmon, that was awful.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Good God.

[kittensXLI]

Embarrassing doesn't begin to describe it.

[mja271]

Michael Cole makes me want to vomit. I just watched the end of the Elimination Chamber that Jericho won and the shit Cole was saying when HBK interfered was embarrassing. "W..W...Wait a minute. Sh...Sh...Sh...Shawn Michaels!!!!!!"

[JacobLovesYou]

if they actually stick with the fact that hart's leg is really "broken" then it would set up a good way to make the hart/mcmahon match a lot of submissions and working his hurt leg and stuff. i mean we figured it would be that anyway if it actually took place, but the leg thing would actually lend a little more credence to why there wasnt any body slams or anything.

[K3nTaKa0s]

That was probably the worst way to setup the match. TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA!

[DMBfan41]

I love Mr. McMahon, he must never go away. But, McMahon vs Cena. How will this end up? They fight for about 5 minutes and then Batista comes in the ring and destroys Cena some more. There, now you can watch TNA next week

[Speilmen230]

Cena/McMahon is actually going to pull in a lot of viewers. i may actually be channel flipping.

[camaroz28dmb]

Cena/McMahon is actually going to pull in a lot of viewers. i may actually be channel flipping.

as one said, batista will interfere within minutes.

[mja271]

I haven't actually sat and watched a Raw in a while until tonight. This is pretty shitful