Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[kittensXLI]

...and, now he's not.

[stayorleave83]

Anyone find it funny that Swagger left the ring for a microphone when there were two in the ring?

[kittensXLI]

right now??? What title..Cena??? No way he wins.
Swagger ambushed Cena, got a microphone and demanded a referee, Cena took over, a referee came out, and Swagger changed his mind.

[Crush086]

Anyone catch the "John sucks dicks" from the crowd?

[GrooGrux420]

This Raw crowd is 1908523x more lively than last night's crowd.

[kittensXLI]

The Million Dollar Man is coming out with IRS, Pat Patterson, and Arn Anderson.

[Crush086]

Everyone's got a price! DiBiase is awesome.

[kittensXLI]

...and here comes Roddy Piper, Sgt. Slaughter, and Ricky Steamboat.

[kittensXLI]

...and now the Raw hosts are coming out?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Shannon Moore and Kazarian get a tag win over Doug Williams and Brian Kendrick.

[jackisback24]

ahhh. Hot Tub Time Machine.

[Crush086]

A Legends Lumberjack match? It's cool seeing the legends, but this is pretty stupid.

[kittensXLI]

Legends Lumberjack Match

So far Christian is coming out. At least this will be worth watching, now.

[kittensXLI]

main event - Batista/Swagger versus Cena/partner of his choice

[Crush086]

main event - just turn it to TNA
That's how I read that...

[Speilmen230]

who is playing the Macho Man gimmick on TNA? thats not pope is it?

[kittensXLI]

Crap, Christian is facing Ted DiBiase, so we all know who is going to win this...

Super lame.

[kittensXLI]

That's how I read that...
Yup.

who is playing the Macho Man gimmick on TNA? thats not pope is it?
No, it's not Pope. I also forget who it is, though.

[jackisback24]

who is playing the Macho Man gimmick on TNA? thats not pope is it?
Jay Lethal? He had been in the past. BTW, Consequences Creed is gone from TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

who is playing the Macho Man gimmick on TNA? thats not pope is it?

"Black Machismo" Jay Lethal. That has been his gimmick forever. First time we've seen him since Hogan has been on.

[Crush086]

who is playing the Macho Man gimmick on TNA? thats not pope is it?
Jay Lethal I think.

The Pope reminds me of Andre 3000.

[kittensXLI]

Why is this match surprisingly sucky?

[jackisback24]

Spoiler Alert









Orlando Jordan debuts a bisexual gimmick on TNA soon. And Bubba teh Love Sponge joins a faction 2nite.

[Speilmen230]

Pope has actually got some pretty good mic skills.

[GrooGrux420]

Damn. I would love to watch the Million Dollar man, shove a $100 down Jr's throat. :lol

[Crush086]

Spoiler Alert









Orlando Jordan debuts a bisexual gimmick on TNA soon. And Bubba teh Love Sponge joins a faction 2nite.
Why not use tags? I don't care, because Jordan is really gay and stupid anyways. And I believe Bubba already has exposed the faction. The Band came out with him sporting shirts that said "Bubba Army".

[kittensXLI]

Well, at least it ended decent. I was wrong on that one.

I'll mark-out a little for any Christian win I can get!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Oh my, my, my.

[GrooGrux420]

She's a ho... Ho! She's a ho... HO!

[Speilmen230]

Pope Is Pimpin'!!!!


The Pope >>>>>> Elijah Burke

[Crush086]

Man, Wolfe knows how to pick them. Bischoff's assistant was smoking too.

[jackisback24]

Why not use tags? I don't care, because Jordan is really gay and stupid anyways. And I believe Bubba already has exposed the faction. The Band came out with him sporting shirts that said "Bubba Army".
how do you do tags again?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Man, Wolfe knows how to pick them. Bischoff's assistant was smoking too.

Yeah, she was real hot. I'd like to get her name.

[GrooGrux420]

Pope is the shit!

Everyone now... She's a ho... Ho! She's a ho... HO!

[Speilmen230]

how do you do tags again?

[ spoiler ] text here [ /spoiler ]


without the spaces so it's [spoiler]

[Crush086]

Spiel explained it better, so I replace this with Pope is awesome too.

[Speilmen230]

Spiel explained it better, so I replace this with Pope is awesome too.

:lol:thumbsup

[jackisback24]

[ spoiler ] text here [ /spoiler ]


without the spaces so it's [spoiler]

[spoiler]test[spoiler]

[jackisback24]

[spoiler] test [spoiler]

[jackisback24]

[spoiler]test[spoiler]

[Crush086]

You forgot the / in the second tag. The second tag is [/spoiler]

[GrooGrux420]

[spoiler] test [spoiler]
Your missing the /. It needs to be [ /spoiler] at the end (no space).

[jackisback24]

:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine

[Speilmen230]

[spoiler]test[spoiler]

you forgot the / on the second spoiler

[Crush086]

Shit, I'm hungry, have to cook dinner, but don't want to miss anything.

I need to move my TV...

Nevermind. Jordan is on, so it's dinnertime.

[jackisback24]

You forgot the / in the second tag. The second tag is [/spoiler]
I thought that was a typo!

[Speilmen230]

Just quote this and look how its done.


The Pope is Pimpin'!!!

[GrooGrux420]

HHH on Raw, talking about HBK.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Orlando Jordan is not pimpin'.

[jackisback24]

test

[Crush086]

Holy canoly, a first blood women's title match?!?!

She called her a crazy freakin' bitch! lol

[jackisback24]

test
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS: bounce:multi:hump:monkey:lol

[GrooGrux420]

and Sheamus comes out and smacks HHH across the head with what looked like a lead pipe. :lol :lol :lol at the girl with her mouth wide opened in show and awe.

[Crush086]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS: bounce:multi:hump:monkey:lol
But FYI, you can't quote and use a spoiler tag. The original quoter's name just disappears. See the example.

am.org fail

[Speilmen230]

Fuck that shit... Vince really doesn't know how to do anything anymore.


HHH giving a heartfelt speech about Shawn and then they send in Sheamus to ruin it. That is the shit that brings out the mark in me.

[Crush086]

You know, I was thinking, Swagger has a problem with Cena by way of the MITB, and Cena gets a mystery partner. Orton just recently had beef with Batista, and Orton is a more good than bad guy now. I wonder if Orton is the mystery partner, and that's honestly the only way I'd watch it over TNA's main event.

[jackisback24]

You know, I was thinking, Swagger has a problem with Cena by way of the MITB, and Cena gets a mystery partner. Orton just recently had beef with Batista, and Orton is a more good than bad guy now. I wonder if Orton is the mystery partner, and that's honestly the only way I'd watch it over TNA's main event.

that would be like Nikita Koloff turning babyface and teaming w/Dusty vs. The Horsemen in the cage.

[Crush086]

I can't think of who the mystery partner is though, unless I'm totally missing the most obvious partner.

[Speilmen230]

I can't think of who the mystery partner is though, unless I'm totally missing the most obvious partner.

i bet it will be someone stupid.

[kittensXLI]

omg.

[kittensXLI]

I love Owen Hart so much.

[jackisback24]

I can't think of who the mystery partner is though, unless I'm totally missing the most obvious partner.
Bret?

[jackisback24]

Wait is Niedhart there?

[kittensXLI]

Dang. The Miz just cut the best promo of his life.

[Crush086]

No way Bret can compete with a guy like Batista and Swagger, no matter how poor a wrestler Batista is.

It'll probably be someone stupid like MVP though.

Noo! Chelsea is leaving ringside! lol

[crashintonickdm]

brets the fuckin man.

[jackisback24]

lame ending. Nasties gone from TNA. I guess the farewell will be good, Youtube will have stuff backstage stuff.

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1269909904

[K3nTaKa0s]

Nasty Boys gone from TNA is the best news I've heard in a long, long time.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Styles definitely did some damage to his hand.

[Crush086]

lame ending. Nasties gone from TNA. I guess the farewell will be good, Youtube will have stuff backstage stuff.

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1269909904
good

[K3nTaKa0s]

Probably will be Lethal vs. "Big" Rob Terry.

[jackisback24]

Jimmy Snuka line on TNA by Macho Lethal was funny.

[Speilmen230]

i do believe that Orton or Triple H are the only way i will watch the Main Event.

i am willing to be it will be someone on the level of Swagger like Kofi, MVP, Kane, ect.

[jackisback24]

Mark Henry for the win

[Speilmen230]

Hornswoggle sighting...

[kittensXLI]

Sexual Chocolate

[kittensXLI]

Or just Orton.

[Crush086]

Surprise surprise.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Orton, it is.

[Speilmen230]

Ok it's official, i am an Orton mark.

[kittensXLI]

:lol @ King calling out Michael Cole

[Crush086]

Ok it's official, i am an Orton mark.
Join the club lol

Unfortunately, dinner is still cooking. Bastards.

[jackisback24]

I would have booked it differently. I would have had the 2 heels jump Cena, Orton's music played, he runs down and the two kick ass and hug at the end like Dusty and Nikita in 1986.

[Crush086]

I never get tired of seeing RKO's clearing the ring. And the Legend Killer pose is back. Solid match, although I didn't get to see much but the ending.

[kittensXLI]

I never get tired of seeing RKO's clearing the ring. And the Legend Killer pose is back. Solid match, although I didn't get to see much but the ending.
Neither did we; another (apparently typical) commercial break in the middle of a match.

[jackisback24]

They should have done a big sendoff with more time for Michaels. I would have started it at 10:45 and brought back Janetty, Bret, HHH, Art Crews (first opponent in Mid South), Chyna, etc. to really make it special.

[Crush086]

That sucks. I also love how they fucked up the replays. Lawler talks about replays before Orton hits the pose, then they have to try to hold off the replays as long as they can.

Also, next week it's Anderson vs. Angle in a ladder match.

[jackisback24]

Taker and HBK out.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I see a similar segment this time next year for the Undertaker.

[Speilmen230]

I am actually getting a bit choked up about HBK.

[stayorleave83]

wow if you read his book and followed wrestling for all these years, you would know how real hbk's speech is right now

[GrooGrux420]

Going into bonus time... Keep going Shawn!

[kittensXLI]

That should squash any TNA rumors.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What TNA rumors?

[kittensXLI]

What TNA rumors?
Nothing official; just idiots who think he'd ever go there.

[kittensXLI]

Best theme song ever, by the way.

[jackisback24]

good ending.

[Speilmen230]

Easily one of the most emotional moments of my wrestling fandom. :(

[JacobLovesYou]

i thought tonight's RAW was one of the best in a looooong time.

[Speilmen230]

i thought tonight's RAW was one of the best in a looooong time.

take out the 9-10 hour and you have a solid raw.

[kittensXLI]

i thought tonight's RAW was one of the best in a looooong time.
Agreed.

[jackisback24]

Great speech. Flair's sendoff was maybe better only because they brought back Harley, Valentine, JJ, Tully and so forth.

[BotheDMBFan]

Spiel, Comerelax, Jacob, Kitt, Bo, anyone!!!

I live in Cali, hasn't even started for me.

[jackisback24]

I live in Cali, hasn't even started for me.
really? I thought it started at 6pm in Cali and 9pm est? You mean you have to wait for 9pm PST which is Midnight EST? So if you've been reading you know what will happen.

[GrooGrux420]

Anyone see that one lady getting all choked up and crying? So bittersweet to see HBK do his farewell speech.

Oh well anytime I want to say Hey, I can go to Cornerstone Church. I remember seeing HBK and Sting do a bible study thing on TV once.

[JacobLovesYou]

take out the 9-10 hour and you have a solid raw.

i thought the whole thing was solid. i had no idea about bret pushing the hart dynasty so that was a surprise for me. it was heads and tails better then any RAW leading up to wrestlemania. is bret going to stick around for a few weeks to push the hart dynasty, or was tonight it for him?

[BotheDMBFan]

really? I thought it started at 6pm in Cali and 9pm est? You mean you have to wait for 9pm PST which is Midnight EST? So if you've been reading you know what will happen.

Ya. I mostly read to see if Orton did something. He is the only person in wrestling I care about ATM.

[Speilmen230]

My Top 5 Favorite Wrestlers of All Time

1. Shawn Michaels
2. The Rock
3. Stone Cold
4. Triple H
5. Kurt Angle

Love to see what everyone else's are.

[kittensXLI]

I read something about Bret definitely sticking around after WM. He should be around until at least through the summer.

[Speilmen230]

AWA wrestling on ESPN Classic... With your host..... Eric Bishoff.... With a Mullet.

[TheTallOne]

1. John Cena
2. John Cena
3. John Cena
4. John Cena
5. John Cena

[AndySlash]

wow if you read his book and followed wrestling for all these years, you would know how real hbk's speech is right now

no doubt. incredible speech.

[Speilmen230]

1. John Cena
2. John Cena
3. John Cena
4. John Cena
5. John Cena

good joke.

[kittensXLI]

1.) The Rock
2.) Chris Jericho
3.) Owen Hart
4.) Kurt Angle
5.) Christian
6.) Shawn Michaels

[BotheDMBFan]

1. Kurt Angle (Pre-TNA)
2. Mick Foley (Pre-TNA)
3. Randy Orton
4. The Hurricane
5. Dean Malenko

I'm not counting like, Puro guys in this or anything. Solely North America guys you'll know.

[DmBand801]

Solid Raw, got to love HBK.

[JacobLovesYou]

I read something about Bret definitely sticking around after WM. He should be around until at least through the summer.

i'm really happy to hear this

[Speilmen230]

1. Kurt Angle (Pre-TNA)
2. Mick Foley (Pre-TNA)
3. Randy Orton
4. The Hurricane
5. Dean Malenko

I'm not counting like, Puro guys in this or anything. Solely North America guys you'll know.

:ugh

[TheTallOne]

good joke.

I'm sorry, it's late and I've been studying all day. My mind is in a bad place.

[BotheDMBFan]

:ugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZBlNcqGvdk

He brought me this match. Which is all I care about. I have never marked out harder than I did when I saw this. That and he was fucking hilarious, and awesome.

[AndySlash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZBlNcqGvdk


Not taking anything away from the match because it was still a fun moment, but this video is proof positive that Jim Ross is the greatest. This match wouldn't feel anywhere the same if it were any of today's announcers doing it.

[K3nTaKa0s]

HBK leaves the WWE. The Nasty Boys leave TNA.

My buddy had pretty good seats at WM... http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs512.snc3/26905_419818585029_504535029_5689352_1109125_n.jpg

[BotheDMBFan]

Not taking anything away from the match because it was still a fun moment, but this video is proof positive that Jim Ross is the greatest. This match wouldn't feel anywhere the same if it were any of today's announcers doing it.

Really? I wanted to turn off the sound. He was fucking horrible in this match. Lawler was no help as per, but Ross was just...holy fuck was he bad.

[JacobLovesYou]

the king being a good guy is gaaaaay.. they're really missing a huge personality at the announcement table. at the very least someone that heavily roots for the bad guy.

[BotheDMBFan]

I have never been a big fan of HBK; but I am sad to see him go.

[AndySlash]

Really? I wanted to turn off the sound. He was fucking horrible in this match. Lawler was no help as per, but Ross was just...holy fuck was he bad.

Ross made that match seem like an epic Mania match. He did the same for a Jeff Hardy/Taker match around the same time.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ross made that match seem like an epic Mania match. He did the same for a Jeff Hardy/Taker match around the same time.

Taker v Hardy succeeded for the sole reason that Taker sold it. Ross didn't do much. Frankly, Ross was weak after he came back. I wish Styles could do it all solo...but of course not.

[AndySlash]

l o l

[BotheDMBFan]

IYQ.

8 points to the first person who gets that reference.

[GrooGrux420]

I am watchin my first Raw (09/10/01). I haven't seen this since I got back from the show and watched it on my VCR.

[kittensXLI]

John Morrison is my favorite post-2002 debuted wrestler.

[GrooGrux420]

I didn't know this Raw was the last time they used the Raw is War logo. I guess I was too young at the time to notice it.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What happened when the show went off the air?

Edge beat Jericho by DQ then speared him after the match. When Edge left Jericho began a promo. HHH came out pedigreed him and gave him sweet chin music. HHH did the HBK pose at the top of the ramp afterward.

[kittensXLI]

I hate that crap. The stuff they do after Raw goes off the air should be the stuff they put on national television.

[Speilmen230]

So i do believe the next few WWE DVD purchases i am going to make are going to be:

Triple H: The King Of Kings
Shawn Michaels: My Journey
Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph (Book)


Do Stone Cold & The Rock have any GOOD dvd sets?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I don't own any wrestling DVDs. I'd like to pick up some ECW discs, though.

[kittensXLI]

The Rock's DVD is pretty good.

[Speilmen230]

The Rock's DVD is pretty good.

Which one?
The Rock: The Most Electrifying Man In Sports Entertainment
The Rock: Just Bring It
The Rock: Know Your Role

[BotheDMBFan]

No one remembers the IYQ thing? You guys suck.

[Speilmen230]

No one remembers the IYQ thing? You guys suck.

I Wike-U.... Eugene???

[BotheDMBFan]

I Wike-U.... Eugene???

Kinda. It was a sticker Yurple the Clown gave The Rock on the "This Is Your Life" thing.

[Speilmen230]

Kinda. It was a sticker Yurple the Clown gave The Rock on the "This Is Your Life" thing.

Ahhhhhh... ok.


Speaking of Eugene & The Rock.


I want a guy to have a gimmick where he is a mark and he steals all of his taunts, moves, & promos from the greats of the past.

[hbktonyb]

Just finished watching, one of the best Raws in a long time. So bittersweet, understand why he wants to be with his family but when HBK is still THAT good, how can he just walk away??

By far, my fav. wrestler of all time. I hope we see him again...

[kittensXLI]

Which one?
The Rock: The Most Electrifying Man In Sports Entertainment
The Rock: Just Bring It
The Rock: Know Your Role
When did all of those DVDs happen?

[Speilmen230]

When did all of those DVDs happen?

The Rock: TMEMISE (2008)
The Rock: Just Bring It (2002)
The Rock: Know Your Role (2000)

which one were you referring too?

[BotheDMBFan]

Nick Dinsmore created the Eugene character for himself. Seriously.

[Speilmen230]

Nick Dinsmore created the Eugene character for himself. Seriously.

I'm sure he did. I think it would be so much better if it was just a normal run of the mill guy, who wasn't overly spectacular but could do great imitations and did moves like The Rock Bottom, Stone Cold Stunner, Perfect Plex, Sharp Shooter, Hogan's Leg Drop, Figure Four Leg Lock, Mandible Claw, HBK kick up into Sweet Chin Music.

And when he got into the ring with someone like a Triple H he would freak out with excitement. Basically a run of the mill wrestling fan who is a fan of the 80's and 90's.

[comerelaxnow]

So i do believe the next few WWE DVD purchases i am going to make are going to be:

Triple H: The King Of Kings
Shawn Michaels: My Journey
Shawn Michaels: Heartbreak & Triumph (Book)


Do Stone Cold & The Rock have any GOOD dvd sets?

I have both of these and i would very much so say go for it! Especially "My Journey" great matches. The book is also awesome.

As far as DVDs i also have Edge's and Eddie's. Also both great.

[Speilmen230]

I have both of these and i would very much so say go for it! Especially "My Journey" great matches. The book is also awesome.

As far as DVDs i also have Edge's and Eddie's. Also both great.

i read the book back in 05 when i was 14 and i loved it. thought the inside stories and scoops were fantastic. Shawn is easily my favorite wrestler of all time. has such a respect for the business. I loved The Rock but i have heard he is an ass. And he also walked out on the business that made him. Still all that aside one of the best entertainers of all time.

[comerelaxnow]

not sure if this has been posted yet but ill post it anyways....HBK backstage right after his match at WM26

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/wrestlemania/2010/march29-31/13951768

[comerelaxnow]

i read the book back in 05 when i was 14 and i loved it. thought the inside stories and scoops were fantastic. Shawn is easily my favorite wrestler of all time. has such a respect for the business. I loved The Rock but i have heard he is an ass. And he also walked out on the business that made him. Still all that aside one of the best entertainers of all time.

mine too. its strange because they really didn't give us much time to get ready for HBKs retirement. they gave us what 2 weeks? after hearing his speech you know hes going to keep his word and that its really over for him. i have a feeling he was referring to Flair when he was saying that he gave his word to Taker and that he isn't about to go back on it.

[Speilmen230]

mine too. its strange because they really didn't give us much time to get ready for HBKs retirement. they gave us what 2 weeks? after hearing his speech you know hes going to keep his word and that its really over for him. i have a feeling he was referring to Flair when he was saying that he gave his word to Taker and that he isn't about to go back on it.

Shawn has too deep of respect for the business, Taker, & himself to comeback 1, 3, or 6 years down the road and put on a match that isn't up to his full potential. I would be highly impressed if he went out like this. He would be going out on top, and with dignity if he stays retired from the ring.

[Evans]

You guys want a good wrestling book, pick up Bret Hart's book. It takes you on a beautiful journey, isn't stamped with the "WWE" emblem, tells you what Bret really thinks of all the big names (that Ultimate Warrior was a total asshole, wait until you read about what he did to a dying kid who wanted to meet him), and gives you a great look behind the scenes of the WWF in its heyday.

[hbktonyb]

mine too. its strange because they really didn't give us much time to get ready for HBKs retirement. they gave us what 2 weeks? after hearing his speech you know hes going to keep his word and that its really over for him. i have a feeling he was referring to Flair when he was saying that he gave his word to Taker and that he isn't about to go back on it.

I know, I feel like I just wasn't prepared...we needed a longer build! I think that reference was def. to Flair. Last night, it sure sounded like the end, especially with Haitch crying like he was. WWE lost the best of all time, hope Shawn is happy with his decision 6 months from now...then again, I hope he isn't so he comes back!

[Crush086]

I thought Michaels said he wanted his last match to be against HHH. I figured that's why they had nowhere near the celebration they did when Flair hung it up (in WWE). Because he'd be back for next year's WM or something.

Nice to see the show of respect by the Taker though.

[jackisback24]

The Bret book is good. I don't remember HBK book being great. Everyone should get the Macho Man DVD. My favorite one.

[hbktonyb]

The Hogan/Black Machismo segments yesterday were hilarious.

[kittensXLI]

Speil, did your 1998 finish yet? Can you send it over please?

[DmBand801]

Video of Triple H giving Jericho Sweet Chin Music after Raw went off the air last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOF_8rElQ28&feature=player_embedded#

[K3nTaKa0s]

According to Pwinsider.com, former WWE Diva Brooke Adams debuted last night on TNA Impact as Eric Bischoff's assistant. While in WWE, she worked on the ECW Brand, doing the Extreme Expose gimmick with Kelly Kelly and Layla.

[comerelaxnow]

Video of Triple H giving Jericho Sweet Chin Music after Raw went off the air last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOF_8rElQ28&feature=player_embedded#


That was terrible..yet kinda cool. I like how he pretended like he pulled a muscle after

I was really waiting for the wrestlers in the back to come out and celebrate with HBK like they did for Flair. Oh well, looking forward to HBK Hall of Fame 2011

[comerelaxnow]

What do you guys think of Orton becoming a face? I think he makes a great heel and its very strange to see him as a face. The crowd all of a sudden loves him though. I think maybe he will be the type of face HBK was. The kind where you know hes a good guy but he can strike at any time

[Crush086]

I like Orton as a face (read: I'm an Orton homer, as noted by the avatar).

It was a bit strange seeing the random cheers when he was facing Sheamus, but he seems like the kind of guy who could be just as successful as a face. Not totally slobbing the fans knob (like Cena tries to, even though nobody likes him lol), but doing enough to be liked over hated by the fans.

[hbktonyb]

So far, I like Orton as a face, as long as he doesn't become super flaming, like Edge currently is. Edge was just so much better as a heel. Orton needs to keep that legend killer edge and not be mr. baby face.

[Crush086]

Edge is so stupid now, with his lame spear finisher, and his ridiculous faces after he does it.

Just terrible methinks.

[BotheDMBFan]

Again, I was never a huge fan of HBK; but I will miss him. The Angle v HBK matches were fucking fantastic.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton rules. So hard. The out of nowhere RKO is my third favorite finisher ever.

[TheTallOne]

I think Swagger will make a great, great heel if they don't rush things. The crowd loves Orton too much for him not to become a face.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think Swagger will make a great, great heel if they don't rush things. The crowd loves Orton too much for him not to become a face.

I just wish Swagger knew how to speak.

[Speilmen230]

Speil, did your 1998 finish yet? Can you send it over please?

Yes 1998 is finished. IDK how to send it though. They are too big to sendspace or to email. I can try to compress them all into .rar's. i will see what i can do.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how to send 700 mb files w/o torrents?

[TheTallOne]

I just wish Swagger knew how to speak.

He has potential. He just reeeeeeks of douchebag, so easy to hate. It's essential they take the time to develop him.

[Speilmen230]

Orton is the type of face/tweener, who people like because of what he does, not what he says. He doesn't cut corny promo's about doing what's right. He gets compared to Stone Cold a lot and at first i was hesitant to do that but he really is a lot like austin. His character has a Don't Trust Anybody type of attitude, even though he was cena's tag partner, after the match Cena never took his eyes off him, which really sells the angle of Orton being someone who conducts himself based on his own accord. his only mission is to satisfy himself. I have always been a big fan of this type of attitude for characters. I think the Viper gimmick is awesome, and i think he needs to get a major push here soon. He has been out of the title hunt for too long.

I think that after Batista/Cena finally comes to it's merciful end. they should do a Fatal 4 Way angle with it being Cena/HHH/Orton/Sheamus. If you think about it you have all the spectrums covered. You have the pure baby face Cena. The face HHH who has a slight dark edge to him. Orton who is a pure tweener where he does everything his way and the fans may or may not like it. And the pure heel in Sheamus who all of the fan's despise, because he never fights fair.

[Speilmen230]

In my mind it works out great. Have Orton win at the next PPV and have him open the next raw with a promo where he comes off with the attitude saying that he knew he could do it, and thank you to the fans who supported him and cheered for him, and screw you to the fans who booed him and didn't support him. 'I really don't care if you don't like me because i am the champ and you are not.'

[jackisback24]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100330

[hbktonyb]

Simmons is the man.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA's Chelsea has her own website! Heh.

http://www.alisonskipper.com

[BotheDMBFan]

That article by Simmons was pimp.

[jackisback24]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12831/


Pimpin aint easy.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12831/


Pimpin aint easy.

ouch... things aren't looking good in TNA land.. :(

I will have to admit, even i was watching raw last night. There last 30 minutes of programming was pretty solid. And no way TNA beats the HBK farewell.

[jackisback24]

I thought Raw would get a 4.1. Recession + post WM Raw normally = ratings.

[Speilmen230]

I thought Raw would get a 4.1. Recession + post WM Raw normally = ratings.

Hopefully TNA does better next monday when they go to 8 pm.

The sad thing is that vince has done nothing different in his programming. and he is still kicking TNA's ass. it just shows that loyalty out weighs quality product. Of course TNA picked a bad time IMO to switch to mondays. 3 months before WM. Should have waited till May 3rd or something like that.

[jackisback24]

Hopefully TNA does better next monday when they go to 8 pm.

The sad thing is that vince has done nothing different in his programming. and he is still kicking TNA's ass. it just shows that loyalty out weighs quality product. Of course TNA picked a bad time IMO to switch to mondays. 3 months before WM. Should have waited till May 3rd or something like that.


off topic but I'm going to be in Cincy next month for a marathon. Hitting the zoo. Heard Camp Washington chili is a must-see. Is it near the zoo? Going to a Reds game too.

[Speilmen230]

off topic but I'm going to be in Cincy next month for a marathon. Hitting the zoo. Heard Camp Washington chili is a must-see. Is it near the zoo? Going to a Reds game too.

I really hate to say this but i have never even heard of Camp Washington Chili. The Zoo is fantastic, & what game are you going to attend?

[jackisback24]

I really hate to say this but i have never even heard of Camp Washington Chili. The Zoo is fantastic, & what game are you going to attend?
Mets vs. Reds on Monday. It's cool because it's marathon night and my wife can walk the field before the game as they're having a ceremony. You'll be having lots of tourists come in for the Flying Pig!

[TheTallOne]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100330

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

That was great. I love him shitting on Striker.

[hbktonyb]

.6, yikes. And TNA was pretty good yesterday too, but Raw was much better b/c of the HBK theme. Now that he is gone, I can't see a reason, other than Orton, to watch religiously.

[Speilmen230]

.6, yikes. And TNA was pretty good yesterday too, but Raw was much better b/c of the HBK theme. Now that he is gone, I can't see a reason, other than Orton, to watch religiously.

Orton really is the best thing that WWE has right now, and they aren't even using him.

[Speilmen230]

Mets vs. Reds on Monday. It's cool because it's marathon night and my wife can walk the field before the game as they're having a ceremony. You'll be having lots of tourists come in for the Flying Pig!

ah yes... the flying pig marathon. always a busy time of the year here in cincy.

[kittensXLI]

I think .rar zipping the files would be the best idea.

[Speilmen230]

I think .rar zipping the files would be the best idea.

ok i will give it a try and see how small they become when i compress them.

[Speilmen230]

New Avatar.


ok. don't want to create a poll for fear of harsh bashing sooo


Which Snake nickname is better?

The Viper or The Rattlesnake

i assume you guys will know who i am referring too.

[comerelaxnow]

New Avatar.


ok. don't want to create a poll for fear of harsh bashing sooo


Which Snake nickname is better?

The Viper or The Rattlesnake

i assume you guys will know who i am referring too.

I would be more freaked out over a Viper than a rattlesnake. The Viper fits him very very well.

[kittensXLI]

Rattlesnake

[jackisback24]

Jake the Snake FTW!!! No one has Cobra for a nickname?

[K3nTaKa0s]

On tonight's edition of WWE NXT, it was announced that the winner of the Rookie Battle Royal, which will take place tonight, will host Raw on Monday.

[K3nTaKa0s]

It has come down to Gabriel and Otunga in the Battle Royal.

Edit: David Otunga it is.

[JacobLovesYou]

gooood damnit... really? thats the RAW i'll be at 3rd row... thats the laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamest thing i've ever heard

[BotheDMBFan]

Hopefully TNA does better next monday when they go to 8 pm.

The sad thing is that vince has done nothing different in his programming. and he is still kicking TNA's ass. it just shows that loyalty out weighs quality product. Of course TNA picked a bad time IMO to switch to mondays. 3 months before WM. Should have waited till May 3rd or something like that.

But TNA's product isn't good either. That's the thing. They aren't good. WWE is meh, but at least their best talent gets used, and is just about to go on a huge title hunt.

[comerelaxnow]

gooood damnit... really? thats the RAW i'll be at 3rd row... thats the laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamest thing i've ever heard

Plus HBK is gone. But don't worry, you may see Bret Hart :(

[JacobLovesYou]

well a few weeks ago the local commercials were saying the main event was cena and HHH vs batista and sheamus, but then on monday during RAW they showed a local commercial for it, and this time it said the main event is going to cena vs batista for the WWE championship. so obviously the tag team that was scheduled morphed into last weeks main event in the storyline and last weeks setup is going to get a "payoff" next week for the championship rematch.

[K3nTaKa0s]

*** MAJOR Smackdown Spoiler ***



According to Wrestlingobserver.com, Jack Swagger just cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase and won the World title at the Smackdown tapings. More details to come later…

[TheTallOne]

*** MAJOR Smackdown Spoiler ***



According to Wrestlingobserver.com, Jack Swagger just cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase and won the World title at the Smackdown tapings. More details to come later…



I hate how they can't even wait a week

[Crush086]

*** MAJOR Smackdown Spoiler ***



According to Wrestlingobserver.com, Jack Swagger just cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase and won the World title at the Smackdown tapings. More details to come later…


Wow, really? I think I took Swagger in the "what midcarder do you think will be next to win a title" thing.

Crazy that he cashes it in almost immediately. I almost cried at the terribleness of him almost cashing in on Monday. I said, "Noooo Swagger, no way you'll beat Cena and have him have another extremely short title reign. This is terrible."

In other news, I fell asleep and woke to the Lopez Show. He had one of the dudes from Hot Tub on and they discussed Raw. George said he might host in August when they go to LA. Don't know the validity of that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[kittensXLI]

....

[comerelaxnow]

This is the reason that we won't see another HBK in a long ass time. What happened to the times when you had to work your way up the ladder and establish yourself as a performer and athlete before getting to the top? Shawn struggled through tag teams for years and was never once WWE tag team champs with the Rockers (well once but they deleted it from history books due to a ring malfuntion, stupid huh?) and then moved his way up and finally got his moment. Now they hand out championship belts like candy

[DmBand801]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100330

Great read :thumbsup:lol

*** MAJOR Smackdown Spoiler ***



According to Wrestlingobserver.com, Jack Swagger just cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase and won the World title at the Smackdown tapings. More details to come later…



Wow.

[BotheDMBFan]

Good move.

[hbktonyb]

Are you kidding me? Swagger is no where near ready.

[hbktonyb]

you got guys like Miz who cut the promos of their life on Raw, and they do this with Swagger???

[JacobLovesYou]

miz was hilarious when he was talking shit to bret on monday. especially when he called the whole hart family, inlcuding stu overrated. got an actual out loud laugh out of my brother and i.

[Speilmen230]

Might be getting a small group of people together to go to a WWE Live event when they come to US Bank Arena in May.

[kittensXLI]

Might be getting a small group of people together to go to a WWE Live event when they come to US Bank Arena in May.
Thinking of the same thing when they come to Pittsburgh, also in May.

[Speilmen230]

Thinking of the same thing when they come to Pittsburgh, also in May.

You wanna PM me your email. I have compressed the month of January, but they are still to big to upload. I will just try and email the .rar's

[Speilmen230]

Have there been any rumblings about the draft? I know it usually happens early to mid april.

[hbktonyb]

I had Kofi's theme in my head all day.

[BotheDMBFan]

Are you kidding me? Swagger is no where near ready.

You know what? They did the same shit with Orton. It has turned out more than fine.

[BotheDMBFan]

you got guys like Miz who cut the promos of their life on Raw, and they do this with Swagger???

Miz sucks. His promos are lame, and he sucks donkey cock in the ring. Swagger is at least good in the ring.

[comerelaxnow]

I had Kofi's theme in my head all day.

I really like Kofi. I think he can be great in a few years.

[comerelaxnow]

Anyone know a good website for WWE Spoilers?

[comerelaxnow]

You know what? They did the same shit with Orton. It has turned out more than fine.

You are comparing a rookie Orton to Swagger?

[Speilmen230]

Anyone know a good website for WWE Spoilers?

if you want smackdown spoilers just type into google, Smackdown Spoilers.

[Speilmen230]

Kittens,

I can't send the file through email. I tried it twice and both times came up with a technical issue.

[Doors Allan Coe]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Speilmen230]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

eh...???

[mja271]

Swagger got the belt already?? that's just awful.

Between the brand split and the extremely frequent title changes, having the belt means absolutely shit nowadays.

[Speilmen230]

Swagger got the belt already?? that's just awful.

Between the brand split and the extremely frequent title changes, having the belt means absolutely shit nowadays.

Underlined: I don't think it is awful. But i think it could have done much better. This was my idea for the next few months in the WWE title picture.

I think that after Batista/Cena finally comes to it's merciful end. they should do a Fatal 4 Way angle with it being Cena/HHH/Orton/Sheamus. If you think about it you have all the spectrums covered. You have the pure baby face Cena. The face HHH who has a slight dark edge to him. Orton who is a tweener where he does everything his way and the fans may or may not like it. And the pure heel in Sheamus who all of the fan's despise, because he never fights fair.

Have Orton win at the Fatal 4 Way PPV in June and have him open the next raw with a promo where he comes off with the attitude saying that he knew he could do it, and thank you to the fans who supported him and cheered for him, and screw you to the fans who booed him and didn't support him. 'I really don't care if you don't like me because i am the champ and you are not.' Then Batista comes out and whines and complains about how he has a burning desire inside him to right the wrongs that happened when Randy rose to fame before he did in their Evolution days. Then enter in Swagger who plays mind games with Orton about when he is going to cash in the money in the bank. He will come out onto the top of the ramp and just taunt Randy during his matches with Batista and drive him absolutely insane. Swagger finally cashes it in at Money In The Bank after Orton successfully defeats Batista. Swagger defeats Orton, and they then have a long program that runs through Summerslam and if it is popular enough with the fans culminates at the Hell In The Cell PPV.

I think that gives Randy some credibility as the tweener/face and it gives Swagger a lot of credibility and heat as a heel. Then have the announcers sell it towards that Swagger is a coward who is trying to get into Randy's head and hiding behind the briefcase instead of cashing it in and facing Orton like a man. And when Cena/HHH/Sheamus get left behind in the feud, they can split off into their own feuds.

Bolded: The brand split is so pointless now, they need to end it, purge the rosters of unused and un-needed talent like half of the Smackdown roster and the majority of the Diva's. I would shave the roster down to look something like this:

WWE Heavyweight Championship (Main Eventers)
WWE Tag Team Championship (Tag Division)
Intercontinental Championship (Upper-Card Championship)
United State Championship (Mid-Card Championship)
ECW Championship (Hardcore/Cruiserweight Divison)

Main Eventers:
Triple H
John Cena
Randy Orton
The Undertaker
Edge
Chris Jericho

Upper Carders:
Christian
John Morrison
Sheamus
Kofi Kingston
The Miz
CM Punk
Ted DiBiase

Mid Carders:
Matt Hardy
Drew McIntyre
Shelton Benjamin
Kane
Big Show
Dolph Ziggler
Hart Foundation
Rey Mysterio
Vladimir Kozlof
MVP
R-Truth

Lower Card/Jobbers:
Carlito
Finlay
Evan Bourne
Cody Rhodes
Mark Henry
William Regal
Cryme Tyme
Yoshi Tasu
Jimmy Wang Yang

Divas:
You can pick and choose which ones to keep they would only be for escorting & managing.

[hbktonyb]

I have a feeling the build of face Orton is going to be a long one, culminating with a Summerslam title win vs. whoever takes it off Cena.

...or, a heel Cena

[Speilmen230]

I have a feeling the build of face Orton is going to be a long one, culminating with a Summerslam title win vs. whoever takes it off Cena.

...or, a heel Cena

one can only hope and pray... Cena really isn't a bad wrestler, i enjoyed his WrestleMania match with Batista, but his Gimmick is so stale. Superman needs to succumb to the Dark Side of the wrestling force. Can you imagine the heat he would generate by shitting on his younger fans?

[jackisback24]

u can say the streak means more then the title.

[hbktonyb]

u can say the streak means more then the title.

At this point, it does. The title means nothing if they instantly give it to Jack Swagger on a pre-taped Smackdown. He'll lose it by the next PPV.

[hbktonyb]

one can only hope and pray... Cena really isn't a bad wrestler, i enjoyed his WrestleMania match with Batista, but his Gimmick is so stale. Superman needs to succumb to the Dark Side of the wrestling force. Can you imagine the heat he would generate by shitting on his younger fans?

He really isn't that bad...but his rap gimmick was so much better than the 'kids hero' gimmick he is playing now. I don't dislike him like a lot of people do though, probably b/c I personally know Cena (he trained my friend, and played footbal with my other friend, all from Springfield college).

He's also a really good guy, one of my buddies had cancer and his fam did a fundraiser for him, and Cena gave a good chunk of change. Very classy guy.

[jackisback24]

I still say they should bring in Cena's Dad, turn him heel and align him with Batista or maybe Orton. Freshen up things.

[jackisback24]

Charlie Brown Easter on right now!!!!!:bounce

[Speilmen230]

He really isn't that bad...but his rap gimmick was so much better than the 'kids hero' gimmick he is playing now. I don't dislike him like a lot of people do though, probably b/c I personally know Cena (he trained my friend, and played footbal with my other friend, all from Springfield college).

He's also a really good guy, one of my buddies had cancer and his fam did a fundraiser for him, and Cena gave a good chunk of change. Very classy guy.

I have no personal issues with the guy. He is stand up guy who has a true passion for the business. He has done tremendous work with the make a wish foundation.

His character is just awful. Its very stale, and there is nothing fresh about him. He first came to raw 5 years ago, and he is the same now as he was then, he has just lost his rapper accent. Now it's all about i'm down to fight anywhere anytime anyplace. I don't back down, I never quit.

He really needs a heel turn where he berates the live crowds for not fully supporting him, and that he pours his soul into his matches and 'we' the fans don't appreciate it. Take on the approach of 'i look out for me and me only.' Then do the normal heel actions, sneak attacks, cheap victories, and doing heel heat.

[Speilmen230]

I still say they should bring in Cena's Dad, turn him heel and align him with Batista or maybe Orton. Freshen up things.

I don't wanna sound mean but i say leave the storylines to the wrestlers. Unless their parent's are ex wrestlers like Orton's Dad then fuck it.

[jackisback24]

I don't wanna sound mean but i say leave the storylines to the wrestlers. Unless their parent's are ex wrestlers like Orton's Dad then fuck it.
you didn't know Cena's dad is a heel wrestler and manager in the northeast? True story...google it.

[Speilmen230]

you didn't know Cena's dad is a heel wrestler and manager in the northeast? True story...google it.

seriously??

[jackisback24]

seriously??
yep:thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Thats one thing you have to say about Cena, he is truly passionate for wrestling.

[Speilmen230]

This is what a Concert at DMB would be like if it was Ants only. Only the chants would be replaced with songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibkrPHA841g

[BotheDMBFan]

Lita was so awesome. She is a fucking slut unlike no other though. I think she fucked half of the people in Mexico.

[BotheDMBFan]

ECW fans fucking sucked. There, I said it.

[Speilmen230]

ECW fans fucking sucked. There, I said it.

:ugh bo i do believe you have finally lost it. ECW fans were by far the most passionate fans on the face of the wrestling planet. I would love for the current WWE fans to be half as passionate as the ECW fans were.

[BotheDMBFan]

:ugh bo i do believe you have finally lost it. ECW fans were by far the most passionate fans on the face of the wrestling planet. I would love for the current WWE fans to be half as passionate as the ECW fans were.

Listen here, ECW fans were passionate in the same vein as Raider fans are. Passionate, but irretrievably stupid. Some of the biggest assholes ever, who did most of what they did for the sole purpose of being assholes. Love the passion, hate the reason. ECW is the shit though.

[jackisback24]

Listen here, ECW fans were passionate in the same vein as Raider fans are. Passionate, but irretrievably stupid. Some of the biggest assholes ever, who did most of what they did for the sole purpose of being assholes. Love the passion, hate the reason. ECW is the shit though.
:thumbsup I appreciate the smart fans who liked the Malenko matches or Rey or Juvi, etc. But those guys are f'ed up w/pain killers for the most part.

BTW, rumors of an ECW invasion to TNA have been swirling w/Dreamer and Heyman coming in plus Taz and Dudleys.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bo REALLY wants an Angle v Orton feud. Come back Kurt.

[jackisback24]

Bo REALLY wants an Angle v Orton feud. Come back Kurt.
whats up w/your sig by Hudson?

[BotheDMBFan]

whats up w/your sig by Hudson?

That's the Konami code. Better known as "The Contra code."

[bradshaw06]

Listen here, ECW fans were passionate in the same vein as Raider fans are. Passionate, but irretrievably stupid. Some of the biggest assholes ever, who did most of what they did for the sole purpose of being assholes. Love the passion, hate the reason. ECW is the shit though.
it was founded in philly, so its expected.

[hbktonyb]

ECW fans were the best...at least they got to come back for one more night at One Night Stand.