Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Speilmen230]

this raw has actually impressed me. It is amazing what having clean finishes can do for a show. Non-clean finishes is what killed WCW.


Edit: Cena/Orton next week ftw. As long as the match is a clean finish and they give them a good amount of time i will be very happy.

[Evans]

Is that Kid or Play?

[jackisback24]

Ray Charles saw that coming.

[kittensXLI]

Morrison and Jericho work well in the ring together. I am a big fan of both of them. I wish jericho would ditch the tights and go back to the pants and brash attitude.

You won't ever...EEEEEVVVER be the same Again.
All of the above is complete truth.

Bryan Danielson and The Miz
Chris Jericho and John Morrison
Randy Orton hitting his prime and the crowd eating everything about him up.
Wade Barrett is a legit new worker.
H if he ever comes back is worth it if for anything his microphone work.

The upper portion of Raw could be very good.

EDIT - Plus obviously DiBiase, and D.H. Smith, both of which I am HUGE fans of.

[kittensXLI]

Nice Raw tonight. Watched the entire thing too.

[Speilmen230]

All of the above is complete truth.

Bryan Danielson and The Miz
Chris Jericho and John Morrison
Randy Orton hitting his prime and the crowd eating everything about him up.
Wade Barrett is a legit new worker.
H if he ever comes back is worth it if for anything his microphone work.

The upper portion of Raw could be very good.

Oh yeah. For once, that actually looks really good. And Sheamus has really began to grow on me as well.

i will add onto your list of feuds and put it this way.

Danielson/Miz
Jericho/Morrison
Orton/Cena w/ championship involved
Barrett/Edge (Number 1 contenders)
HHH/Sheamus

I would eat that up.

[kittensXLI]

I wish DiBiase would roll through the entire roster minus the guys we've been talking about above. I mean literally beat every single other worker on the brand. He could be built into such a monster.

[Speilmen230]

I wish DiBiase would roll through the entire roster minus the guys we've been talking about above. I mean literally beat every single other worker on the brand. He could be built into such a monster.

plus you get to see Maryse every time you see him. :hump

[jackisback24]

any chance if Y2J leaves that he does a cameo in January to host to promote his book?

[jackisback24]

plus you get to see Maryse every time you see him. :hump
Kelly Kelly > Maryse.

[Speilmen230]

I say you have Daniel Bryan beat Miz at NOC, then have Miz cut a promo and have him say how the US title was holding him back from his true potential and have him focus in on his MITB contract. I want to see him with the WWE title.

[Speilmen230]

Kelly Kelly > Maryse.

Maryse each and every time.


Kelly Kelly: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2050595061_d6b2d4312b.jpg

which is great and all.

but....

Maryse: http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/maryse3.jpg

[jackisback24]

Maryse each and every time.


Kelly Kelly: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2050595061_d6b2d4312b.jpg

which is great and all.

but....

Maryse: http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/maryse3.jpg






Maryse is German for "Horse Face.":evil

[kittensXLI]

I say you have Daniel Bryan beat Miz at NOC, then have Miz cut a promo and have him say how the US title was holding him back from his true potential and have him focus in on his MITB contract. I want to see him with the WWE title.
I agree with most of this, and was giving the entire topic a lot of thought tonight, but ultimately I don't like it happening at this PPV. Seems too soon, at least for Danielson. It'd be nice for Danielson to continue to have to build himself up and earn his keep more. Heck, I know he's legit and I know he'll be fine, but for the sake of the masses, he should have to suffer a tad bit more before reaping some major (title) benefits.

[Speilmen230]

Maryse is German for "Horse Face.":evil

I will take her horse face any day of the week. :hump

[Speilmen230]

I agree with most of this, and was giving the entire topic a lot of thought tonight, but ultimately I don't like it happening at this PPV. Seems too soon, at least for Danielson. It'd be nice for Danielson to continue to have to build himself up and earn his keep more. Heck, I know he's legit and I know he'll be fine, but for the sake of the masses, he should have to suffer a tad bit more before reaping some major (title) benefits.

I do agree that NOC is a bit too soon, but i would just hate to see Miz feuding with Bryan too long because then miz will have to rebuild himself up as a major contender.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Miss Tessmacher > Kelly Kelly > Maryse

[kittensXLI]

I do agree that NOC is a bit too soon, but i would just hate to see Miz feuding with Bryan too long because then miz will have to rebuild himself up as a major contender.
True. I think (or hope, at least) Miz is a good enough worker at this point to be able to balance multiple storylines and multiple feuds simultaneously. Even if he (and the 'E) shoves his MITB status and whatnot down our throats, that'd be fine to hold off Danielson for another month and a half.

[Speilmen230]

Miss Tessmacher > Kelly Kelly > Maryse

Miss Tessmacher is all sorts of win.

[jackisback24]

did anyone know Karen Angle and JJ got married?

[Speilmen230]

True. I think (or hope, at least) Miz is a good enough worker at this point to be able to balance multiple storylines and multiple feuds simultaneously. Even if he (and the 'E) shoves his MITB status and whatnot down our throats, that'd be fine to hold off Danielson for another month and a half.

i would like him to cut promo's saying how Bryan isn't even worthy of getting shots at his title and the only reason he is facing him is just to shut him up and make the GM happy.

[kittensXLI]

Miz trying to please the GM would work well for building more heat on himself, especially since we (and likely the 'E) doesn't know who the GM is anyway.

[kittensXLI]

did anyone know Karen Angle and JJ got married?
Actually, yes. The engagement portion was around a lot, and there were a few articles/blurbs about it becoming official recently.

[Speilmen230]

Miz trying to please the GM would work well for building more heat on himself, especially since we (and likely the 'E) doesn't know who the GM is anyway.

Especially if he starts throwing around the notion that he knows who the GM is, and it is someone that he respects.

[kittensXLI]

Especially if he starts throwing around the notion that he knows who the GM is, and it is someone that he respects.
That'd be nice, but then the 'E would really have to drill a perfect GM. I don't think they have any clue how to reveal or resolve this storyline, and I do hope I'm wrong. History says it's probably going to be a letdown or buzzkill, though.

[Speilmen230]

That'd be nice, but then the 'E would really have to drill a perfect GM. I don't think they have any clue how to reveal or resolve this storyline, and I do hope I'm wrong. History says it's probably going to be a letdown or buzzkill, though.

I would love for them to bring in a recognizable heel figure. I don't have anyone specific in mind, but i think they could pull off a legend or someone from the past who is good. Jesse Ventura would be cool or Million Dollar Man.

I think they truly wanted to go the route of Vicky, but that fell flat on it's face. She has all sorts of heat, but it is heat because she is annoying as hell and sucks.

[kittensXLI]

It'll unfortunately probably be some cheap cop-out resolution/person. Someone not even with the company, at least not publicly recognized, would be AWESOME.

[Speilmen230]

It'll unfortunately probably be some cheap cop-out resolution/person. Someone not even with the company, at least not publicly recognized, would be AWESOME.

I just want a heel with great Mic Skills. Because bad booking decisions can be masked if they come from a solid character.

[hbktonyb]

What is with super heel Michael Cole?

[kittensXLI]

I guess it's better than super boring Michael Cole.

[Rodey]

Zack Ryder deserves a major push.

Seriously, the guy is awesome. He has good mic skills, his gimmick is hilarious and his in-ring ability is really good.

[Rodey]

Oh, and am I the only one in here that doesn't like TNA?

It's just turned into the biggest joke with all of the ancient guys they've brought back to try and compete with the WWE. It's like they look at WWE tape from the early 90's and try to hunt down guys they can sign. They have some talented guys, but I just think they put out a crappy product.

[hbktonyb]

Both wrestling companies are pretty bad, but TNA is way better than WWE if you are over the age of 14.

[Rodey]

Both wrestling companies are pretty bad, but TNA is way better than WWE if you are over the age of 14.

I agree with the first part, both aren't the greatest. But I still find the WWE to put out a better product, at least in the ring. Maybe it's because I grew up on it, but TNA just doesn't do anything for me. The 6-sided-ring was interesting for awhile, but now I just find it stupid.

[Speilmen230]

I agree with the first part, both aren't the greatest. But I still find the WWE to put out a better product, at least in the ring. Maybe it's because I grew up on it, but TNA just doesn't do anything for me. The 6-sided-ring was interesting for awhile, but now I just find it stupid.

6 sided ring is gone. And the majority of the old guys aren't wrestling anymore. It is a lot of young talent.

[Speilmen230]

watching Impact from last thursday finally. I really hate how the they are making the TNA champion to be this person who has the company on their shoulders.


I really hate abyss. He does nothing for me at all. He is a big fat Kane rip-off and an awful heel.

[Speilmen230]

Beautiful People are nice but Miss Tessmacher is just all sorts of win.

http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/b/brookeadams/gallery/photoscans/1/gallery1/217.jpg

http://www.tnawrestling.com/tnaphotos/cache/tna-knockouts/tessmacher/IMG_5052_650.jpg

[kylerway]

Can anyone tell me anything about gregory alan isacov. Just listened to the stable song and can't stop. He's obviously a good musician. I just don't know anythin about him.

[Rodey]

6 sided ring is gone. And the majority of the old guys aren't wrestling anymore. It is a lot of young talent.

Is it? Haven't watched in awhile apparently.

I still prefer the WWE though, probably always will. Not nearly a fragment of what it used to be though.

[K3nTaKa0s]

- The September 2nd edition of TNA Impact scored a 1.04 rating with 1,409,000 viewers.

- The September 2nd edition of TNA Reaction scored a 0.51 rating with 692,000 viewers.

- The September 2nd edition of WWE Superstars scored a 0.52 rating with 561,000 viewers.

- The replay later that evening scored a 0.17 rating with 165,000 viewers.

[Speilmen230]

Is it? Haven't watched in awhile apparently.

I still prefer the WWE though, probably always will. Not nearly a fragment of what it used to be though.

yup. 6 sided ring is gone, hogan doesn't wrestle, Flair doesn't wrestle (very often). And the main focus is on people like Rob Van Dam, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, The Pope, Mr. Anderson, & AJ Styles.

[jackisback24]

I wonder if Flair gave Michaels the watch back?

[jackisback24]

Niedhart and Hogan all over the news.

[Speilmen230]

Niedhart and Hogan all over the news.

for what?

[AndySlash]

Oh, and am I the only one in here that doesn't like TNA?

No.

I try to like TNA, and I desperately wish they could step up and put on good television and create decent competition for WWE, but I just don't see what many of the people in this thread see in TNA. It's often laughable at best, and terrible at its worst. The company needs to find an identity, ideally one of its own creation, and stick to it. For every stupid thing on Raw (like the booking/execution of the Edge-Khali match last night), there's 2-3 stupid things that happen on Impact. WWE hasn't been great for a long time, but their overall product is still much, much better than anything TNA has been able to come up with.

Some people will disagree, but I really think Heyman could have come into TNA and made some noise; it's a shame they couldn't work something out. In the very least he would have been able to create sensible, stable storylines with an emphasis on forward thinking instead of reactionary booking. His run as a writer on SmackDown a few years back was really the best that brand has ever been; no reason to think he couldn't do the same thing for TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE is atrocious. No Surrender blew Summerslam out of the water.

Like I said before.. what is Heyman going to do to attract more viewers? Sorry, but you can't just throw out Jay Lethal vs. Kazarian and expect people to watch.

[AndySlash]

TNA needs consistent, no-bullshit storylines, and Heyman can do that. I can't count how many times I've missed a few weeks of TNA programming and come back to find out so-and-so is now heel, after being a face for mere weeks, that the feuds that were happening three weeks ago now seem to have no merit on what's going on now, and other how-does-this-make-ANY-sense moments. You can't have that kind of booking and expect to keep an audience. You know what's great about Pope's reluctance to have anything to do with Anderson? Because it makes sense! It's really the first time I can recall TNA using such a simple plot device to further storylines.

Heyman understands the need to build up characters. Again, his record on SmackDown is proof. Lesnar, Guerrero, Benoit, Big Show(!), et al were made better characters under Heyman. Benoit won the world championship at the biggest event in part because of how well Heyman was able to work with the Benoit character and create someone people other than internet wrestling nerds gave a shit about.

No, you can't just throw out young guys and expect them to watch. But you can throw out young guys week-to-week, sensibly building their characters, giving them momentum, and hoping something clicks (hello, Nexus). You can do this with old guys, too. But it has to make sense, which is the biggest obstacle TNA faces. The majority of their booking, especially over time, makes no fucking sense. TNA seems to have no long-term booking strategies. You need to have an eye on the long-term if you are going to build an audience. You HAVE to. There is none in TNA. Guys like AJ and Samoa Joe have been given the ball a few times, but it's always been taken from them rather than either of them doing anything to lose it. That's on the company, not the wrestlers. There needs to be a logical, consistent arc for these guys. No one in TNA has been able to do that for them. Paul Heyman could if given the opportunity.

[Rodey]

yup. 6 sided ring is gone, hogan doesn't wrestle, Flair doesn't wrestle (very often). And the main focus is on people like Rob Van Dam, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, The Pope, Mr. Anderson, & AJ Styles.

Those are the only three that really interest me.

RVD, Angle and Anderson are all WWE rejects that are past their prime and don't really excite me much at all. It just doesn't say much for your company when you consistently sign guys that the WWE has released (and for good reasons usually).

[K3nTaKa0s]

"WWE rejects" is the funniest thing I ever heard. Anderson's firing in WWE was political. How the hell is he a reject? Pope was used awfully in the WWE. I don't think you can argue that.

Angle past his prime? You're joking, right? Angle is the best wrestler in either company and it's not even close. Anderson past his prime? He's only 32. lol. Anderson and Pope are both very solid in the ring and on the mic. Why the hell wouldn't TNA sign them? You use "WWE rejects" like they're signing Yoshi Tatsu.

Anyone who thinks Angle is past his prime does not watch TNA, obviously. Angle has been having some of the best matches of his career.

Someone said that Nexus has 'clicked'? Based on what? The ratings are the same now for Raw that they were before the Nexus angle took place. That angle hasn't generated substantial heat, at all.

Yeah.. Heyman had a nice thing with the "Smackdown Six," but let's not forget that these guys were already established stars prior to him being handed over the writing duties. Angle was a two-time WWE champion prior to that. Edge was the King of the Ring champion and held the Intercontinental Title. It's not like those guys were six nobodies that he transformed into stars. Hell.. Benoit and Guerrero were big names in WCW. Also.. you can look it up... while Heyman did the booking on Smackdown, the ratings were flat. They didn't go up. They leveled out.

Speaking of rejects.. how about Guerrero, Big Show, and Benoit being "WCW rejects" that WWE brought in? I guess they all failed in WCW, right? These guys aren't fixed to one company for their entire careers.

TNA has no long-term booking strategies? What about Sting's whole deception angle? You don't think that's going to play out? What about the ECW angle that everyone thought would be just another invasion angle like Nexus? Everyone missed the nail on that one. It was a nice setup to get Fourtune over. You guys gotta let these things play out over time before you declare, "there's no long-term storylines in TNA."

[kittensXLI]

You're interested in Hardy and Pope, and not Angle and Anderson? Please watch TNA before judging their workers. Seriously, I strongly believe your opinion would change 180 degrees, and for the better.

[RJP2741]

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/the-ass-man-badd-ass-billy-gunn-caught-in-illicit-affair-explicit-tape-scandal/

[kittensXLI]

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/the-ass-man-badd-ass-billy-gunn-caught-in-illicit-affair-explicit-tape-scandal/
» MikeBenjaminSideBurns said: { Sep 8, 2010 - 02:09:59 }
“legendary wrestler Billy Gunn.” Billy Gunn is a wrestling legend like Vitali Potopenko is an NBA legend.

[hbktonyb]

Those are the only three that really interest me.

RVD, Angle and Anderson are all WWE rejects that are past their prime and don't really excite me much at all. It just doesn't say much for your company when you consistently sign guys that the WWE has released (and for good reasons usually).

:lol:lol Wow, you really have no clue.

Angle was the best wrestler, other than HBK, in the WWE. He had a fight with Vince and left. WWE wanted RVD to sign a long term deal, he declined because he didn't want to work that many dates. Anderson did not click well with the politics.

WWE begged Jeff Hardy to stay, he left on his own.

[kittensXLI]

RVD sucks anyway.
Anderson will be a huge regret on the 'E's part.
Hardy should be in prison.

[AndySlash]

Someone said that Nexus has 'clicked'? Based on what? The ratings are the same now for Raw that they were before the Nexus angle took place. That angle hasn't generated substantial heat, at all.

I didn't say they clicked. Read the whole sentence, I used the Nexus as an example of throwing young guys out there and letting storylines develop, giving them momentum, and hoping it all creates interest. Up to Summerslam, it did, even if the ratings didn't show marked improvement. WWE has dropped the ball with that angle since, but for those few weeks prior to Summerslam you cannot tell me the Nexus angle wasn't the most talked about angle in wrestling. Time will tell if the investment of time pays off and, as you argue later, you have to wait and see how it all plays out before declaring it a failure, because it's clearly not over yet.


Yeah.. Heyman had a nice thing with the "Smackdown Six," but let's not forget that these guys were already established stars prior to him being handed over the writing duties.

Save for Angle, they were established names, not stars. There wouldn't be EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE chants still today if Heyman didn't help make Eddie a star. Benoit wouldn't have won a title at the biggest show if Heyman didn't help make him a star (and Benoit certainly needed help with everything but his wrestling). Lesnar became the face of WWE, and Heyman was a large part of that. Heyman gave all of them that extra help they needed. He could help TNA immeasurably in this area.

Also.. you can look it up... while Heyman did the booking on Smackdown, the ratings were flat. They didn't go up. They leveled out.

You can pretty much say ratings have remained flat for 8 years now. I wouldn't put that on Heyman's booking. My point has nothing to do with ratings anyway, it has to do with his ability to help guys make names for themselves, which is what is really needed in TNA- their own homegrown or re-established personalities.

TNA has no long-term booking strategies? What about Sting's whole deception angle? You don't think that's going to play out? What about the ECW angle that everyone thought would be just another invasion angle like Nexus? Everyone missed the nail on that one. It was a nice setup to get Fourtune over. You guys gotta let these things play out over time before you declare, "there's no long-term storylines in TNA."

TNA has been a company for 8+ years. Two recent storylines aren't enough to convince me they have any sense of what kind of company they want to be and that they are headed in any sort of positive direction. In the last 8 months they've essentially rebooted twice, with Hogan/Bischoff and with the EV2 stuff, abandoning many ongoing storylines to fit storylines to these new people coming in. And of the two storylines you reference, the only one with any potential for long-term sustainability is the Fourtune one. I've let TNA "let things play out" for 8 years. At least with WWE you know you're going to get a PG-rated product, John Cena shoved down your throat, campy "comedy" and, along with the bad listed, some effort in creating consistent, sustainable programs and wrestlers. That's an identity, for better or for worse. What is TNA? What is their goals? Who do they believe in? What kind of pro wrestling company are they trying to be? I don't think any of us really know, and that's because they don't know.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1283909611

[kittensXLI]

I think Orton is going to take the 6-Pack Challenge.

[jackisback24]

I think Orton is going to take the 6-Pack Challenge.
Hogan hurt is back, Niedhart got busted by police.

[kittensXLI]

lol wut?

[jackisback24]

for what?
sorry Kitts, thought you posted this.

[AndySlash]

I think Orton is going to take the 6-Pack Challenge.

I dunno. I think he got his big moment to shine this week. I'll be surprised if Sheamus loses it, to be honest.

[kittensXLI]

I think Cena will be away from the title until WM when the belts are unified. Maybe continue the Nexus thing. Resolution with Sheamus, preferably if he loses the belt. Maybe either take time off or get hurt for a while. Epic return and push for the next Undisputed Champion next spring.

[ant_marching41]

I dunno. I think he got his big moment to shine this week. I'll be surprised if Sheamus loses it, to be honest.
I would like to think that they wouldn't give him the cheep win, what, 4 ppvs in a row now?

I'm thinkin Orton gets the pin over Barrett.

[jackisback24]

I say Barrett eventually wins the title and Cena's dad turns heel, revealing to be the mastermind behind Nexus.

[kittensXLI]

I would like to think that they wouldn't give him the cheep win, what, 4 ppvs in a row now?

I'm thinkin Orton gets the pin over Barrett.
Orton over Barrett could lead to Sheamus/Cena versus Nexus for a while, plus keep the most over guy in the company as champion.

[ant_marching41]

I say Barrett eventually wins the title and Cena's dad turns heel, revealing to be the mastermind behind Nexus.
Thank god I wasn't watching when he was around.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ugh, ugh, ugh. The problem with TNA is brand awareness. It's as simple as that. I'll say it one more time... Paul Heyman can come in and throw in a lengthy storyline between Matt Morgan and D'Angelo Dinero (you can sub these two with whatever young guys you want)... and it's not going to matter. What about that feud will attract new viewers? Nothing. It comes down to money. TNA doesn't have the budget that WWE is. So, it's a lot easier for them to market young guys and just hope for the best.

The Nexus feud has gone nowhere. You say it created interest? Based on what? People talked about it. Sure.. a lot of wrestling fans talked about it more than anything going on in TNA. WWE has four times (probably more) as many fans as TNA does.

Even before the "old timers" came in.. where did TNA go with all of their homegrown talent? Nowhere.

How are these going to make names for themselves if no one is watching?

So.. people cheered EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE. People also cheered JOE JOE JOE or AJ AJ AJ.

[Rodey]

Angle blows, nuff said.

I never liked him, so don't say that I need to watch TNA, because I don't need to watch TNA in order to realize that I dislike Angle.

[jackisback24]

sorta off topic but remember when Smackdown was one of the highest rated shows among the Mexican/Spanish/Latino demographic?

Just saw this and makes me wonder if we'll see more Lucha characters in wrestling:

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2010/09/08/nielsen_univision_hits_a_tv_ratings_milestone/?p1=Upbox_links

[kittensXLI]

I don't care how much a person doesn't like Kurt Angle. Not realizing or recognizing he's the best worker in the entire industry, and has been for a while now, is arguably the most ignorant thing someone could say/think, wrestling oriented.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The Labor Day edition of WWE Monday Night Raw scored a 3.0 cable rating. The show did a 2.99 rating with 4,325,000 viewers in hour one and a 3.01 rating with 4,152,000 viewers in hour two.

[justinandimcool]

LOL Rock, u on the Batista diet?

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/07/0907-the-rock-splash-credit-1.jpg

[kittensXLI]

LOL Rock, u on the Batista diet?

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/07/0907-the-rock-splash-credit-1.jpg
NOOO.

This is awful.

He MUST be returning to wrestling. He was like 230 when he left. He's got to be 300 easily now.

[ant_marching41]

He looks terrible.

[kittensXLI]

I knew something was up when he looked too big at the Lesnar/Carwin fight. He's even bigger in that picture. This is disheartening like none other.

[justinandimcool]

He's probably just bulking for a new film, he'll cut back to normal size when he's done. He's a professional at this stuff, it'll be easy for him. This isn't permanent Rockytista :lol

[kittensXLI]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Batista-wwe-10.jpg

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/07/0907-the-rock-splash-credit-1.jpg

Getting there.

[kittensXLI]

http://content9.flixster.com/rtmovie/18/45/18455_gal.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/samuel_goldwyn_films/southland_tales/_group_photos/dwayne__the_rock__johnson3.jpg

[Speilmen230]

LOL Rock, u on the Batista diet?

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/07/0907-the-rock-splash-credit-1.jpg

Jesus Christ, wtf?? :ugh


He looks like a black Goldberg with the goat and the bulk. Dislike :thumbsdow

[kittensXLI]

So...no Impact tonight?

[Crush086]

He probably bulked for his new movie Faster. IIRC his arms were massive in the trailer.

Looks like he could do a bit of cutting now though. lol

Edit: referencing The Rock's look in that above pic.

[K3nTaKa0s]

So...no Impact tonight?

No Impact. There is an online special on tnawrestling.com, though.

[kittensXLI]

No Impact. There is an online special on tnawrestling.com, though.
Not going to lie, I probably wouldn't have watched Impact anyway, whether it be interest or memory, but still.

[Rodey]

I don't care how much a person doesn't like Kurt Angle. Not realizing or recognizing he's the best worker in the entire industry, and has been for a while now, is arguably the most ignorant thing someone could say/think, wrestling oriented.

Best worker in terms of what? He might be the best in the ring, but there's several other guys that have better mic skills than him and aren't too far off in terms of ability.

[kittensXLI]

Best worker in terms of what? He might be the best in the ring, but there's several other guys that have better mic skills than him and aren't too far off in terms of ability.
Who's better on the microphone than Kurt?

[Rodey]

Who's better on the microphone than Kurt?

Mic skills are obviously really subjective, but I find Jericho to be much better just to name one.

[kittensXLI]

Mic skills are obviously really subjective, but I find Jericho to be much better just to name one.
So out of the entire wrestling industry, you've named one person who is better than Kurt.

...and just for the record, Jericho is leaving the 'E soon, so one less person better than Angle at that point.

[Rodey]

So out of the entire wrestling industry, you've named one person who is better than Kurt.

...and just for the record, Jericho is leaving the 'E soon, so one less person better than Angle at that point.

I'm a mark for Miz too, so I would say him.

I think the WWE has several other guys that could be better if they were actually given more air time. Ryder and Morrison to name a couple.

Angle's the best in your opinion and you're entitled to that. Doesn't make me "ignorant" to wrestling because I have an opinion that differs.

[kittensXLI]

I'm a mark for Miz too, so I would say him.

I think the WWE has several other guys that could be better if they were actually given more air time. Ryder and Morrison to name a couple.

Angle's the best in your opinion and you're entitled to that. Doesn't make me "ignorant" to wrestling because I have an opinion that differs.
You said you don't watch wrestling anymore, TNA is WWE rejects, and that there are a lot of workers better than Kurt Angle. That makes you ignorant.

As much as I love John Morrison, he needs a lot of improvement on the microphone. He's miles and miles away from Angle.

I also love The Miz, so I can't put too much of an argument into him having poor(er) microphone skills. I definitely think Angle is way better than him also, though.

Ask people who have been watching and see what they think.

[kittensXLI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dvb6TGm-cQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yXjdp_7Vs

Two awesome Rock promos, just for fun.

[Rodey]

You said you don't watch wrestling anymore, TNA is WWE rejects, and that there are a lot of workers better than Kurt Angle. That makes you ignorant.

As much as I love John Morrison, he needs a lot of improvement on the microphone. He's miles and miles away from Angle.

I also love The Miz, so I can't put too much of an argument into him having poor(er) microphone skills. I definitely think Angle is way better than him also, though.

Ask people who have been watching and see what they think.

I just recently started watching wrestling again a few months ago.

I still don't see how my comment that there are better workers out there than Kurt makes me ignorant. It's an opinion. It'd be like you thinking that A-Rod is the best player in baseball and me disagree by saying that Pujols was.

[Pablo23]

Who's better on the microphone than Kurt?

The Rock, Y2J, & Black Machismo. Oh, & I forgot Jeff Hardy. ;)

[kittensXLI]

I just recently started watching wrestling again a few months ago.

I still don't see how my comment that there are better workers out there than Kurt makes me ignorant. It's an opinion. It'd be like you thinking that A-Rod is the best player in baseball and me disagree by saying that Pujols was.
It's ignorant because you're basing your opinion without having all the facts. I wouldn't say baseball player x is better than baseball player y because I don't watch baseball. When you said, "Haven't watched in a while apparently," that can easily be interpreted as someone without all the facts.

[kittensXLI]

The Rock, Y2J, & Black Machismo. Oh, & I forgot Jeff Hardy. ;)
Out of the industry, about to be out of the industry, and a joke. And a guy that while you mentioned out of sarcasm should be in prison right now. Yup.

[Pablo23]

Out of the industry, about to be out of the industry, and a joke. And a guy that while you mentioned out of sarcasm should be in prison right now. Yup.

Well Kurt is a great wrestler, he isn't really up to par with Jericho on the mic. Kurt was funnier in the WWF days when he would whine at times.

[kittensXLI]

I agree completely that Jericho is better than Kurt Angle.

[AndySlash]

Kurt is much better on the mic when he has someone to play off of (or to play off of him). His solo promos rarely do anything for me.

[kittensXLI]

I'm actually watching Smackdown tonight!

[kittensXLI]

Undertaker's gloves are the dumbest things.

[Rodey]

It's ignorant because you're basing your opinion without having all the facts. I wouldn't say baseball player x is better than baseball player y because I don't watch baseball. When you said, "Haven't watched in a while apparently," that can easily be interpreted as someone without all the facts.

So, what you're telling me is that Angle has improved ten-fold on the mic over what he's done in the past? If that's the case, I'll look up some stuff on YouTube and get back to you. But in my opinion, Angle was never very fascinating on the mic.

[kittensXLI]

So, what you're telling me is that Angle has improved ten-fold on the mic over what he's done in the past? If that's the case, I'll look up some stuff on YouTube and get back to you. But in my opinion, Angle was never very fascinating on the mic.
If you never cared for him on the microphone before, well, whatever then. Watch both TNA and WWE and find someone besides Jericho that's better than him right now. MAYBE CM Punk, and I love Punk, but even that's probably not likely. Kurt's at the top of the industry right now.

Also, so far on Smackdown tonight, Striker is awful, and Grisham is so cheesy and unbelievable. Undertaker looks and sounds like he has a cold/the flu. CM Punk came out and cut a promo, was fine; those two are the main event.

Does Smackdown still tape early in the week? Do you guys know the results of this stuff already?

MVP is still God-awful. Swagger is getting buried having to feud with him.

[kittensXLI]

Man, Matt Hardy got old and fat.

This Del Rio guy seems okay, though.

I really like how Smackdown has lengthier matches, and real finishes, both compared to Raw.

[kittensXLI]

Del Rio is very slow, in a very bad way. Why does his ring announcer have a bowlcut?

I like the potential, though.

EDIT - omg Christian yes!!!

[Rodey]

I agree about the potential of Del Rio. I really like the gimmick he's got. Wish I could understand him better though. :lol

Smackdown doesn't air here on Friday's anymore. Instead, they show local high school football, which can suck it. I think they play Smackdown on Saturday nights now.

[kittensXLI]

He's definitely green, but if he improves even at a normal or natural pace, he could be pretty good.

Having Smackdown on Friday and/or Saturday never made sense to me. I feel I'd watch something like this a ton more if it was, say, Wednesday night.

[kittensXLI]

That match seemed stiff. And sloppy because of it.

[kittensXLI]

Chris Masters still has a job? I am literally mindblown right now.

EDIT - Okay, Gorilla Press Slam. Impressive.

[BotheDMBFan]

He's definitely green, but if he improves even at a normal or natural pace, he could be pretty good.

Having Smackdown on Friday and/or Saturday never made sense to me. I feel I'd watch something like this a ton more if it was, say, Wednesday night.

Or Thursday, when it did, you know, well.

[kittensXLI]

omg Thursday Night Wars

[kittensXLI]

CM Punk and Undertaker wrestled for like 19 minutes. That was nice.

[k270]

So, what you're telling me is that Angle has improved ten-fold on the mic over what he's done in the past? If that's the case, I'll look up some stuff on YouTube and get back to you. But in my opinion, Angle was never very fascinating on the mic.

It's true? It's damn true?

[justinandimcool]

Just looked up some Youtube videos. When did Orton get a face turn?

[kittensXLI]

Just looked up some Youtube videos. When did Orton get a face turn?
The crowd pretty much caused that one. He was still a heel and they ate everything he said and did up, so they slowly turned him face. I think along the lines of this "viper" gimmick. Nonetheless, it's working very well right now. Probably the most over guy in the 'E currently.

[jackisback24]

Chad Ochocinco of the Cincinnati Bengals and VH-1 is the guest host on Raw Monday.


I pray he has a bad game Sunday!:D

[kittensXLI]

They really could've eliminated the guest host ordeal by just never bringing them back. Why does Chad Johnson have to ruin this.

[Speilmen230]

Oh jesus, he is going to get huge ass pop. The majority of the city eats up anything he says or does. They will eat him up even more if they come off a win.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Bastian Booger (aka Norman the Lunatic in WCW) passed away today.

[jackisback24]

Mike Shaw was a nice guy. A funny story. In 1989 when the NWA came to Mass, he got into a rent a car with Terry Funk at a house show in some smaller market that escapes me and they drove over a sidewalk scaring some fans. Funk was funny.

La Fiera, a famous Mexican wrestler passed away too. A tough year.

Anyone reading the Foley book?

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1284220242

spoiler

[kittensXLI]

When does the new Jericho book come out?

What about the Jericho DVD?

[jackisback24]

classic days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZAVwpOvhU

[Speilmen230]

Headed over my buddies house to meet up before we head down to Raw tonight. I am super pumped. Gonna go to the back entrance around 515-530 to see if we can see any of the talent arriving.

Should be a good night, Raw Roulette, OchoCinco hosting, & Randy/Cena as the main event.

[jackisback24]

Headed over my buddies house to meet up before we head down to Raw tonight. I am super pumped. Gonna go to the back entrance around 515-530 to see if we can see any of the talent arriving.

Should be a good night, Raw Roulette, OchoCinco hosting, & Randy/Cena as the main event.
I'll be routing for Oh No Stinko when they play the Jets! Go Pats!:lol:thumbsup;)

[Rodey]

I'm pretty pumped for Raw tonight actually.

This is still one of my favorite WWE moments ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhuHgCGhQ

"AUSTIN IS STUNNING ANYTHING THAT BY GAWD MOVES!!!!"

[jackisback24]

I'm pretty pumped for Raw tonight actually.

This is still one of my favorite WWE moments ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOhuHgCGhQ

"AUSTIN IS STUNNING ANYTHING THAT BY GAWD MOVES!!!!"


I will buy Jim Ross' book when it comes out.

[jackisback24]

http://www.jrsbarbq.com/blog/memories-mike-shawmonday-night-raw-vs-nflqueen-ring-filmbbq-salmonfootball-talk

[ant_marching41]

Raw has been great so far. The Ocho/Miz segment was phenominal.

[kittensXLI]

Crap. I forgot Raw was on. What happened?

[kittensXLI]

NFL is on and the 'E expects me to watch Jason Bourne? Give me a break.

[ant_marching41]

Pre-opening segment- Cena/Orton spin a tables match in Raw Roulette.

Ocho comes out, Miz interrupts and bashes the "cincinnatti bungles," and proceded to make fun of Ocho and TO both leaving before halftime. At one point he says, "What does the number 85 stand for anyway? Is it the number of good passes you'll drop this year?!" :lol I was rolling.

GM email interrupts. They spin the wheel again and its a submission match. GM lets Ocho pick his opponent. He picks Bryan. And you know the rest.

[kittensXLI]

K-Kwick wasn't good 9 years ago. He's not good now either.

[ant_marching41]

Oh my god. R Truth actually changed his song.

Surprise. More crap.

[kittensXLI]

Remember when Chris Angel combusted K-Kwick on Raw and left nothing but his shoes? I wish that was real.

[kittensXLI]

I wish they'd at least attempt to make the wheel seem legit. They touch it and it spins for 4 minutes.

[ant_marching41]

Remember when Chris Angel combusted K-Kwick on Raw and left nothing but his shoes? I wish that was real.
I think I said those exact words when it happened.

[kittensXLI]

I think I said those exact words when it happened.
You are a smart man.

I think Morrison is obviously getting the W here tonight, right?

Unless Jericho is still going to be kept in the 6-pack.

[kittensXLI]

LOL the hair flip was so unbelievably unnecessary.

LOL @ King ripping on Cole for laming parkour.

[ant_marching41]

One of Morrison's better matches IMO. Shame it ended as predicted.

[kittensXLI]

Keeping Jericho in the 6-pack is dumb because he's obviously not winning. Morrison likely would never win either, but it'd be a heck of a lot less obvious.

Great match, though, tonight.

[kittensXLI]

LOL Jericho is the best!

[ant_marching41]

Shut up! Just read it!

[kittensXLI]

I'm literally laughing out loud. He's so good. The fact he rips on Cole is just bonus.

[kittensXLI]

Wow. That was so sick.

Jericho is amazing.

[RJP2741]

I need to start watching the WWE full time again. Just for Y2J.

[ant_marching41]

Wow. That was crazy.

[kittensXLI]

I turned it off. Update in here if anything cool happens please.

[kittensXLI]

I need to start watching the WWE full time again. Just for Y2J.
Did you see the end of the Jericho match?

[ant_marching41]

That's Pete Rose! That's Pete Rose! By Gawd! That's Pete Rose!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Why water down Barrett's first title shot with a "six pack challenge?"

[kittensXLI]

Because the 'E is dumb.

[RJP2741]

Kittens you should watch now.

Edit: Nevermind. Match got ruined.

[kittensXLI]

What happened?

[RJP2741]

It's still going, but Nexus came out and ruined the Orton-Cena match.

[kittensXLI]

Typical.

[Speilmen230]

Being at raw last night was really fun. Had a great time. Boo'd the shit out of Cena. Anytime there was a 2 count we yelled TWOOO!!! and put up our 2 count sign. Took entirely waay too many pictures.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I had to make Post #10,000 in this thread.

TNA > WWE

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Speilmen230]

I had to make Post #10,000 in this thread.

TNA > WWE

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol :lol :thumbsup

[ant_marching41]

Being at raw last night was really fun. Had a great time. Boo'd the shit out of Cena. Anytime there was a 2 count we yelled TWOOO!!! and put up our 2 count sign. Took entirely waay too many pictures.
Post them!

How hilarious was the Miz in person? I know I was roaring over here.

[Speilmen230]

Post them!

How hilarious was the Miz in person? I know I was roaring over here.

Miz was great. He and chad were great together. And Jericho was the highlight of the night.

[kittensXLI]

I'm not surprised.

Glad you enjoyed your time.

[jackisback24]

I'm not surprised.

Glad you enjoyed your time.
Jericho apparently added to 6 pack challenge.

What were the ratings?

[K3nTaKa0s]

The September 13th edition of Raw did a 3.0 rating, with a first hour of 2.98 & a second hour of 3.03. It averaged 4,350,000 viewers during its two hour timeslot.

[jackisback24]

The September 13th edition of Raw did a 3.0 rating, with a first hour of 2.98 & a second hour of 3.03. It averaged 4,350,000 viewers during its two hour timeslot.
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/17535/

[kittensXLI]

So PPV pick'em?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'll post it after Smackdown.

[kittensXLI]

Awesome possum.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA WRESTLING AND HULK HOGAN SET THE STAGE FOR ‘BOUND FOR GLORY 2010’ WITH A SPECIAL LIVE NIGHT OF TNA PROGRAMS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7 ON SPIKE TV

Total Nonstop Action (TNA) Wrestling will celebrate “Bound For Glory 2010,” the biggest pay-per-view event in TNA Wrestling’s history, with a three hour “TNA Thursday” LIVE special on Spike TV, Thursday, October 7 (9:00pm-12:00am ET/PT).

TNA’s flagship program “TNA iMPACT!” will feature a $100,000 Battle Royal Gauntlet main event, set by TNA President Dixie Carter, featuring every TNA Superstar competing at “Bound For Glory 2010”. Over 20 of the top TNA Superstars including Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle, Mr. Anderson, “The Charismatic Enigma” Jeff Hardy, “The Phenomenal” AJ Styles, Hardcore Legend Mick Foley, “The Icon” Sting, and many more. The winner of the battle royal gauntlet will net a $100,000 purse.

“’Bound For Glory 2010’ is TNA’s biggest event of the year, and to celebrate we’ve brought every single TNA Superstar competing at the pay-per-view to this live special event on Spike TV,” Carter said. “This will be an unforgettable night of action, surprises and some change for TNA.”

In addition, TNA’s innovative one-hour docu-style series, “TNA ReACTION”, will also be broadcast LIVE for the first time in that show’s history. As the drama and excitement builds for “Bound For Glory 2010,” TNA’s revolutionary documentary shooting style will follow the superstars of TNA throughout “iMPACT!” and immediately after,

The “Bound For Glory” pay-per-view extravaganza will be held LIVE at the Ocean Center in Daytona Beach, Florida on Sunday, October 10, 2010 (10.10.10) starting at 8 p.m. ET and airing worldwide exclusively on pay-per-view. For ticket information, visit www.ticketmaster.com

Since its founding in 2002, Total Nonstop Action (TNA) Wrestling has become the world’s fastest-growing professional wrestling company, currently airing in over 120 countries worldwide.

[kittensXLI]

Speil, remember when we downloaded all the Raw episodes from 1997-1999? Is there any way we could get 2000 and 2001?

[Speilmen230]

Speil, remember when we downloaded all the Raw episodes from 1997-1999? Is there any way we could get 2000 and 2001?

yes sir. i would have to do some searching around and digging, but i think i could come up with some links.

[kittensXLI]

That'd be fantastic. Seriously. 2000 and 2001 were so underrated.

[Speilmen230]

That'd be fantastic. Seriously. 2000 and 2001 were so underrated.

2000 was an amazing year for WWF.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Jay Lethal is your new TNA X-Division Champion.

[kittensXLI]

Are you joking me?

I guess I'm indifferent. The more I saw of Douglas Williams, the guy cannot sell ANYTHING.

[kittensXLI]

Man, Samoa Joe and Jeff Hardy (along with Doug Williams) really, really, really proved how lackluster they truly are to me once again tonight.

[kittensXLI]

So either Kurt wins the title on Sunday, or Anderson beats Hardy for the title. Right?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think someone costs Angle the title. He'll take a couple months off and come back.

[jackisback24]

I don't know what happened w/Hardy, but I saw him before the 900th show of Raw in Boston and he filmed some stuff for his youtube channel of screaming fans. Seemed nice enough and cordial and not really outta shape.

I guess the Hardys reunite in TNA.

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/17588/

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1284757972

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1284757972

Much rather have a former CEO of a multi-billion dollar company running the country than Obama.

[kittensXLI]

Vince pulling strings behind the scenes of the United States of America?

I love it.

[kittensXLI]

I don't know what happened w/Hardy, but I saw him before the 900th show of Raw in Boston and he filmed some stuff for his youtube channel of screaming fans. Seemed nice enough and cordial and not really outta shape.

I guess the Hardys reunite in TNA.

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/17588/
He looks like heck on television, for whatever reason.

Matt and Jeff should stick to tag teaming in TNA for the rest of their careers. Neither can cut a promo, and they're both old. I just don't understand their appeal, both in general and also at this point in their careers. Neither deserves the World Title, so might as well add some more teams to the tag division.

[jackisback24]

He looks like heck on television, for whatever reason.

Matt and Jeff should stick to tag teaming in TNA for the rest of their careers. Neither can cut a promo, and they're both old. I just don't understand their appeal, both in general and also at this point in their careers. Neither deserves the World Title, so might as well add some more teams to the tag division.

Haven't watched TNA or WWE for a little while so can't comment. Yeah, I know what you mean although Jeff was still selling merchandise for a while, I think the number 2 seller last year behind Cena for Vince, which is why Jeff still gets courted (no pun intended) by WWE every few months. But yeah, they're like a Dudleys act now and Generation Me are the New Hardy's from what I've read.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Night of Champions Pick Em...


WWE Night of Champions
-Chicago, IL
-Sept 19, 2010
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM

WWE Title: 6 Pack Challenge: Elimination Rules
Sheamus (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho

World Title: No Holds Barred
Kane (c) vs. The Undertaker

United States Title
The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan

Intercontinental Title: Title can change hands on DQ or Count-out
Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingstone

Title Unification Match: Lumberjill Match
Melina (WWE Diva's Champ) vs. Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

WWE Tag Team Titles
The Hary Dynasty vs. Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes

CM Punk vs. The Big Show

[BotheDMBFan]

WWE Night of Champions
-Chicago, IL
-Sept 19, 2010
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM

WWE Title: 6 Pack Challenge: Elimination Rules
Randy Orton

World Title: No Holds Barred
The Undertaker

United States Title
The Miz (c)

Intercontinental Title: Title can change hands on DQ or Count-out
Dolph Ziggler (c)

Title Unification Match: Lumberjill Match
Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

WWE Tag Team Titles
The Hary Dynasty

CM Punk

[davidhamrick10]

WWE Night of Champions
-Chicago, IL
-Sept 19, 2010
-Bell Time: 8:00 PM

WWE Title: 6 Pack Challenge: Elimination Rules
Sheamus (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho

World Title: No Holds Barred
Kane (c) vs. The Undertaker

United States Title
The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan

Intercontinental Title: Title can change hands on DQ or Count-out
Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingstone

Title Unification Match: Lumberjill Match
Melina (WWE Diva's Champ) vs. Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

WWE Tag Team Titles
The Hary Dynasty vs. Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes

CM Punk vs. The Big Show

[kittensXLI]

Sheamus
'taker
Bryan Danielson
Kofi
Melina
HD
Punk

[Pablo23]

Orton
Kane
Miz
Kofi
Melina
HD
Big Show

[K3nTaKa0s]

Sheamus
Undertaker
The Miz
Kofi Kingston
Melina
The Hart Dynasty
CM Punk

[Speilmen230]

WWE Title: 6 Pack Challenge: Elimination Rules
Sheamus (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho

World Title: No Holds Barred
Kane (c) vs. The Undertaker

United States Title
The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan

Intercontinental Title: Title can change hands on DQ or Count-out
Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingstone

Title Unification Match: Lumberjill Match
Melina (WWE Diva's Champ) vs. Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

WWE Tag Team Titles
The Hary Dynasty vs. Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes

CM Punk vs. The Big Show

[AndySlash]

Sheamus (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho

Kane (c) vs. The Undertaker

The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan

Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingstone

Melina (WWE Diva's Champ) vs. Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

The Hary Dynasty vs. Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes

CM Punk vs. The Big Show

[Speilmen230]

Sheamus (c) vs. Wade Barrett vs. John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho

Kane (c) vs. The Undertaker

The Miz (c) vs. Daniel Bryan

Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingstone

Melina (WWE Diva's Champ) vs. Michelle McCool (WWE Women's Champ)

The Hary Dynasty vs. Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes

CM Punk vs. The Big Show

this will be the most disappointing PPV of the year if that is how it shakes out.

[GrooGrux420]

I haven't seen nor read anything for like a month, anyways here are my picks:

WWE Title: 6 Pack Challenge: Elimination Rules
Randy Orton

World Title: No Holds Barred
The Undertaker

United States Title
Daniel Bryan

Intercontinental Title: Title can change hands on DQ or Count-out
Kofi Kingston

Title Unification Match: Lumberjill Match
Melina (WWE Diva's Champ)

WWE Tag Team Titles
The Hary Dynasty

The Big Show

[kittensXLI]

Stream??

[K3nTaKa0s]

www.livevs.com

I turned it on.. saw Kingston vs. Ziggler and realized I didn't give two shits about the PPV.. turned it off.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ziggler and Big Show are the winners, so far.

[kittensXLI]

Ziggler and Big Slow won? Are you joking me?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Why throw a non-title match into a "Night of Champions" PPV and have it last four fucking minutes? Ugh.

[kittensXLI]

Why is CM Punk being buried like this.

[kittensXLI]

For this PPV, I thought we were supposed to pick the losers...

[hbktonyb]

Sheaumus
Kane
Miz
Ziggler
McCool
Hart
Show

[GrooGrux420]

hour and 40 minutes for 2 matches huh? :rolleyes

[GrooGrux420]

:lol Totally forgot about the tag match. :lol

[GrooGrux420]

well now...

[kittensXLI]

What happened in Kane/Undertaker?

[GrooGrux420]

What happened in Kane/Undertaker?

Nothing much really, much of what you would expect, a street brawl. Taker hits the chokeslam on Kane and retreats to the corner for a breather. Picks Kane up for the tombstone, and Kane reserves with his own tombstone and picks up the win.

[kittensXLI]

At least they are rightfully lengthening this feud. I really doubted the 'E on this one. Having Kane win here is huge for the remainder of his career. Undertaker is going to retire him at WM next year, so getting a big PPV win like this is very, very important.

[ant_marching41]

Stream? Other link posted didn't work.

[kittensXLI]

Sorry, don't have one.

[kittensXLI]

http://atdhe.net/7781/watch-wwe-night-of-champions

[kittensXLI]

Where is Jericho?

[ant_marching41]

Cool thanks.

[kittensXLI]

Nice series of events. Edge eliminated.

Guess Y2J is gone. I'm mad I missed it.

[kittensXLI]

WOW. That was huge.

[ant_marching41]

Wade got a HUGE pop for that pin.

[kittensXLI]

This crowd is on fire.

Predictable final 2, but still. Looks like Orton has to win it here.

[ant_marching41]

Ortons got it.

[AndySlash]

orton was pissed he had to climb that turnbuckle for that last shot.

[DMBfan41]

that was a loud cheer from the crowd when Cena was pinned, that was awesome. I do hate how Orton just bounced right back up from the boot of Sheamus.

[kittensXLI]

Honestly, the 'E isn't in as bad of shape the more I think about it.

Orton, Sheamus, Barrett, Undertaker, Kane, Punk, Miz, Danielson, Christian, Morrison, DiBiase, D.H. Smith, McIntyre, Rhodes, Ziggler, Swagger, Santino, Kaval, Koslov, Usos, Kingston, Masters, HHH, Mysterio, and Edge

That's a pretty good top 25. If there was no brand split, they could have a real quality product, even if it must be PG.

[venelis888]

ohhh man this thread reminded me i have to see the results of undertaker vs kane

[venelis888]

good kane won. finally he deserves this, very underrated superstar.

[Speilmen230]

glad to hear that they put the belt on Orton. He is the hottest star they have right now and Cena has been doing just fine w/o the championship. I will now have a reason to tune in on mondays. :D

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Night of Champions Standings:

davidhamrick10 5-1

GrooGrux420 -- 3-3
Pablo23 -- 3-3
bothedmbfan -- 3-3

AndySlash -- 2-4

kittensXLI -- 1-5
Speilmen230 -- 1-5

K3nTaKa0s -- 0-6

[K3nTaKa0s]

According to Pwinsider.com, the Night of Champions PPV was Chris Jericho's final scheduled appearance for WWE.

[Speilmen230]

According to Pwinsider.com, the Night of Champions PPV was Chris Jericho's final scheduled appearance for WWE.

fail.... :thumbsdow

[kittensXLI]

When does Jericho's second book come out?

What about his DVD?

[davidhamrick10]

WWE Night of Champions Standings:

davidhamrick10 5-1

GrooGrux420 -- 3-3
Pablo23 -- 3-3
bothedmbfan -- 3-3

AndySlash -- 2-4

kittensXLI -- 1-5
Speilmen230 -- 1-5

K3nTaKa0s -- 0-6
Damn, I was throwing rocks last night!

[Speilmen230]

You hush david! Last night was by far the worst i have ever done with the pick-em. I am hoping and praying that tonight opens up with Orton. :D

[davidhamrick10]

So I happened to watch the PPV with some friends from work at the local hooters and I am not normally one to make fun of people but there were WAY too many mouth breathers for me to handle.

A lady literally cried when Taker lost.

[AndySlash]

heh.

i went to wm22 in chicago and, man... i'll just say wrestling sure does attract strange people.

[Crush086]

It's always the PPV's I miss that Orton wins the title in. Good to see he's champ again, but I imagine Cena will have the title again before the new year.

[kittensXLI]

I could see Cena title-less all the way to Royal Rumble. He'll probably win it there, then win the title unification match afterwards.

[Crush086]

I don't think I'd mind as much now if he won the title now. I mean, he's not had it for some time messing with Nexus.

I just hope they can keep a decent reign with one guy before having it change hands again.

Orton keeping it into the new year would work for me. But you're probably right, Cena will most likely be the guy to do the unification of the titles.

[kittensXLI]

I think I'd be okay with Cena winning the title at the RR. Maybe the unification match is at the February PPV? He'll win that for sure. Hopefully he's a heel at this point. Then he'd drop the title at WM.

[ant_marching41]

glad to hear that they put the belt on Orton. He is the hottest star they have right now and Cena has been doing just fine w/o the championship. I will now have a reason to tune in on mondays. :D
It was
According to Pwinsider.com, the Night of Champions PPV was Chris Jericho's final scheduled appearance for WWE.
Really? What the hell?

How was Jericho eliminated anyway? I only caught the last match when it was down to five.


I just hope they can keep a decent reign with one guy before having it change hands again.

If Orton drops the title at the next PPV, I'd like Barrett to have it for a month. Just to stur up the whole Raw/Nexus plot, which has lost a ton of luster since last month's elimination match. Then Orton or Cena can win it back the following PPV.


So when does everyone think the identity of the Raw GM will be revieled? By the end of Oct? Nov? Dec???

[ant_marching41]

Chris Jericho commented on his WWE departure (for now) via twitter, writing, "Since I've apparently made my last appearance in the WWE, I guess I have nothing to do tomorrow....The websites have spoken!!! Whatever, I'm goin to Calgary tomorrow so I'll let yall hash it out..."

Not sure what to make of this.

[kittensXLI]

Rumors are Jericho is taking at least a month off. Some say for the sake of it, others say negotiations will happen during that time.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure there's some Fozzy dates booked, so he'll be doing that regardless.

[kittensXLI]

Apparently the front-runners for mystery GM are Michael Cole and Abraham Washington. I don't know who Washington is, but I strongly feel like both of those choices are the cheapest, lousiest, cop-out options ever. Or in the minds of the 'E, perfect.

[Crush086]

I think Washington was a GM on ECW at one point. Not sure though. Cole being a GM wouldn't surprise me though.

Still holding out on my dreams of The Rock being GM, though I know it won't happen.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah, not to rain on your parade but it's not going to be Rocky.

Heck, it's probably more likely to be H than him.

Stephanie would be a fantastic choice, but she just gave birth for the third time, correct?

[jackisback24]

Jericho's book comes out in February.

HHH has taken an office job and most likely in another year or so will be lessening his wrestling schedule, unless they need him for star appeal on TV and PPVs and such.

Foley's book should be out soon.

[kittensXLI]

February? What the heck. That's so far away.

[jackisback24]

February? What the heck. That's so far away.
Foley, say what you want, but is one calculated guy. He knows to release it in October so that folks will order for Christmas (gifts for people). Had Y2J released in November, he'd be better off.

[kittensXLI]

I guess February works as a fantastic birthday present. I just want it now.

[kittensXLI]

Orton was genuinely smiling when he came out. That was crazy.

[jackisback24]

Any word on Chyna?

[kittensXLI]

She's still alive.

Took like 4 or 5 doses of sleeping medicine. Got some IV and is fine last I heard.

[kittensXLI]

This is weird. The way the crowd cheers Orton is nothing like the way they've cheered any other faces in a long time, in my opinion.

[jackisback24]

not a TNA fan but am on the bubble of reading Foley's book.

[kittensXLI]

Nice to see Cody Rhodes wearing some real wrestling boots instead of those sneakers. His legs look a little less odd from his trunks to his feet now.