Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[hbktonyb]

Whatever The Rock/Cena ends up being, I really hope it doesn't end up with The Rock respecting him. That'd be lame.

I think this will happen. Rock will be leaving WWE again for god knows how long. If WWE wants Cena as a face, Rock will put him over.

Completely different if WWE wants Cena heel.

[Crush086]

Whatever The Rock/Cena ends up being, I really hope it doesn't end up with The Rock respecting him. That'd be lame.
There's not likely any other way it'd go. Cena can go heel, but as long as it's PG he won't be dropping his penis and whore laden raps when he had that gimmick.

Rock might be able to bury Cena (based on the reaction he got Monday), but why would you want to do that and without the intent of turning him heel? I'd think Rock would have to stay around to bolster the lost sales a heel Cena would do.

Which pretty much leaves the Rock and Cena to become friends by WM. I'd hate to see it happen, but unless Cena changes his persona I don't think any other way would really work. Rock endorses Cena and then (hopefully) the older crowd begins to accept him.

[kittensXLI]

Wrestlemania 20 (US Title)
Cena def. Big Show (c)

Wrestlemania 21 (WWE Title)
Cena def. JBL (c)

Wrestlemania 22 (WWE Title)
Cena (c) def. HHH

Wrestlemania 24 (WWE Championship)
Orton (c) def. Cena & HHH

Wrestlemania 25 (World Heavyweight Championshp)
Cena def. Edge (c) & Big Show

Wrestlemania 26 (WWE Championship)
Cena def. Batista (c)
Funny, people are hating Cena/Miz so much, yet almost the entire last 7 years he's been in trashier matches.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Anyone who thinks that The Rock is just going to rock bottom or people elbow Cena at the end of Wrestlemania is out of their mind.

The post above pretty much sums it all up. I said it before.. they can't turn Cena heel because they don't have one person in the company that could be slotted into the top babyface spot, at the moment.

Cena and Rock will shake hands on April 2nd and that'll be it.

[Speilmen230]

Cena/HBK > Cena/HHH/Orton > Cena/HHH > Cena/Miz > Cena/Batista > Cena/Big Show/Edge > Cena/JBL > Cena/Big Show

[gocubsgo3822]

Anyone who thinks that The Rock is just going to rock bottom or people elbow Cena at the end of Wrestlemania is out of their mind.

The post above pretty much sums it all up. I said it before.. they can't turn Cena heel because they don't have one person in the company that could be slotted into the top babyface spot, at the moment.

Cena and Rock will shake hands on April 2nd and that'll be it.

Is orton a heel? Why cant he be the face?

[Speilmen230]

I find it funny how they have avoided the most obvious match-up (to me atleast). Cena/Undertaker. Especially in the last 3 - 4 years. Tell me that wouldn't pop buy-rates.

[kittensXLI]

Cena/HBK > Cena/Miz > Cena/H > the rest of that crap

Triple Threats at WM and for the title are so stupid to me. I hate that Benoit won that way. He deserved better.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Is orton a heel? Why cant he be the face?

Orton's character needs an overhaul.

[Speilmen230]

Is orton a heel? Why cant he be the face?

Orton is the bad boy face. IMO the instant you turn cena heel and he becomes the top heel in the company, it instantly thrusts Orton to the top Face position in the company. Then you have guys like CM Punk and Miz lurking around to make both of their lives a living hell. Thus you have an interesting product again. (GASP!)

[Speilmen230]

Cena/HBK > Cena/Miz > Cena/H > the rest of that crap

Triple Threats at WM and for the title are so stupid to me. I hate that Benoit won that way. He deserved better.

Beniot went over the top two guys in the company at the time. how could he have done better?

[gocubsgo3822]

Orton is the bad boy face. IMO the instant you turn cena heel and he becomes the top heel in the company, it instantly thrusts Orton to the top Face position in the company. Then you have guys like CM Punk and Miz lurking around to make both of their lives a living hell. Thus you have an interesting product again. (GASP!)

I mean Miz is unturnable into a face yes? When i was at WWE about a month ago it seems like their were a lot of kids in shirts that said im awesome! Maybe moreso it seemed then cena shirts

[Speilmen230]

Orton's character needs an overhaul.

i think you will see a new direction in orton's character over the next month and a half when he is facing someone like CM Punk. He will need to fade out the Silent gimmick and become cocky and twisted again. CM Punk brings out some really good stuff in guys.

[kittensXLI]

Beniot went over the top two guys in the company at the time. how could he have done better?
Beat H in a singles match. Beat HBK in a singles match that could've been the best-worked match ever.

[gocubsgo3822]

I miss HBK... and HHH and the rock

[AndySlash]

Giving away Raw results?

yes.

january 4, 1999, mankind wins the wwf championship on a taped raw with the help of steve austin. eric bischoff instructs tony schiavone to announce the raw results to the nitro audience:

"Fans, if you're even thinking about changing the channel to our competition, do not. We understand that Mick Foley, who wrestled here at one time as Cactus Jack, is gonna win their World title. Ha! That's gonna put some butts in the seats, heh"

schiavone did this again a few minutes later.


the wheels on the bus had been wobbly for awhile, but it is this moment that i feel the wheels came off, and it was only a matter of time (turned out to be just over two years) before wcw came to a crashing halt.

by having schiavone recite the raw main event outcome, nitro instantly lost hundreds of thousands of viewers, and they knew it within a few hours of airing. in my opinion it was the biggest mistake in was becoming an endless a series of them, highlighting just how arrogant and out-of-touch they were with their approach. one single sentence cost them not only their viewers, but money in the form of ad dollars and helped raw earn its highest rating ever up to that point (and raw never again lost to nitro, though to be fair that streak had started just a couple months prior).

obviously some of you think it was an earlier moment, as early as starrcade 97. while that they fucked up starrcade is totally true, the repercussions were not instant and their momentum unsalvageable at that point. even through 1998, wcw was doing fairly well despite the booking issues and whatnot; there was still a chance for a resurgence if they were able to turn things around. but on january 4, 1999, a desperate eric bischoff made the final mistake that finally sent wcw careening towards its demise. couple this with the "fingerpoke of doom" happening on the same night, which i believe occurred near the end or after raw went off the air, because i'm pretty sure i remember seeing that happen live, too, meant fans changed back just in time to see one of the dumbest booked matches ever.

in my opinion, it was the peak moment of the monday night war, a "win" simply handed to the wwf at an incredibly crucial time for wcw, and wcw's fortunes only went south afterward.

[Speilmen230]

I mean Miz is unturnable into a face yes? When i was at WWE about a month ago it seems like their were a lot of kids in shirts that said im awesome! Maybe moreso it seemed then cena shirts

IMO there is an overabundance of solid main event marketable heels to solid main event marketable faces in the company right now.

Solid heel characters:
CM Punk
Miz
Del Rio
McIntyre
Ziggler
Sheamus
Barrett

Solid Face Characters
Cena
Orton
John Morrison
Edge

[comerelaxnow]

Beniot went over the top two guys in the company at the time. how could he have done better?

He did it twice!! I don't see Kittens point.

[Speilmen230]

btw tonight marks the 2 week anniversary of this thread being moved into the tailgate. Ever since the move in here postership has spiked and this thread has had new life pumped back into it. It has also been one of the top dog's in the tailgate now competing with the likes of NCAA Basketball, NHL, NFL, & NBA. Big thanks to all you guys who are regular posters in here and keep the thread moving along. this is easily my most favorite thread on ants and i hope it stays that way.

I also plan on hitting the 10,000 post mark tonight, and i plan on using it for in here during raw.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I had a feeling that that would be your reasoning, AndySlash. I'm just glad you didn't say Vince Russo.

[BotheDMBFan]

yes.

january 4, 1999, mankind wins the wwf championship on a taped raw with the help of steve austin. eric bischoff instructs tony schiavone to announce the raw results to the nitro audience:

"Fans, if you're even thinking about changing the channel to our competition, do not. We understand that Mick Foley, who wrestled here at one time as Cactus Jack, is gonna win their World title. Ha! That's gonna put some butts in the seats, heh"

schiavone did this again a few minutes later.


the wheels on the bus had been wobbly for awhile, but it is this moment that i feel the wheels came off, and it was only a matter of time (turned out to be just over two years) before wcw came to a crashing halt.

by having schiavone recite the raw main event outcome, nitro instantly lost hundreds of thousands of viewers, and they knew it within a few hours of airing. in my opinion it was the biggest mistake in was becoming an endless a series of them, highlighting just how arrogant and out-of-touch they were with their approach. one single sentence cost them not only their viewers, but money in the form of ad dollars and helped raw earn its highest rating ever up to that point (and raw never again lost to nitro, though to be fair that streak had started just a couple months prior).

obviously some of you think it was an earlier moment, as early as starrcade 97. while that they fucked up starrcade is totally true, the repercussions were not instant and their momentum unsalvageable at that point. even through 1998, wcw was doing fairly well despite the booking issues and whatnot; there was still a chance for a resurgence if they were able to turn things around. but on january 4, 1999, a desperate eric bischoff made the final mistake that finally sent wcw careening towards its demise. couple this with the "fingerpoke of doom" happening on the same night, which i believe occurred near the end or after raw went off the air, because i'm pretty sure i remember seeing that happen live, too, meant fans changed back just in time to see one of the dumbest booked matches ever.

in my opinion, it was the peak moment of the monday night war, a "win" simply handed to the wwf at an incredibly crucial time for wcw, and wcw's fortunes only went south afterward.

That night they also did the fingerpoke of doom.

[Speilmen230]

That was also the first show of 1999 and it just set the tone for the entire year to come.

December 27th 1998 Goldberg's undefeated streak is ended via Stun Gun and Jackknife
January 4th 1999 Mick Foley championship results are given away and Fingerpoke of Doom ends nitro
February 9th 1999 Paul Wight debuts in WWF
February 13th 1999 Kevin Nash becomes a WCW booker
June 30th 1999 Chris Jericho has the most memorable Debut in Wrestling history on Monday Night Raw
October 3rd 1999 Russo sign with WCW and tries to make programming edgier like WWF
January 31st 2000 The Radicalz debut on Monday Night Raw

[AndySlash]

I had a feeling that that would be your reasoning, AndySlash. I'm just glad you didn't say Vince Russo.

vince russo was never the problem, in my view, as i think he can be good when he isn't the final decision maker and doesn't have the pressure that wcw had at the time he came in. vince russo isn't the greatest or even great, but he did pretty well for awhile at wwf, which i don't think was a fluke. in wcw and beyond he just hasn't had the right person to guide him and tell him no on things and, most importantly, why the ideas don't work. russo needs to answer to someone like vince for his ideas to work. outside of that, as we've seen, he has struggled mightily.

[kittensXLI]

Actually Jericho's debut was on August 9th. He signed on June 30th.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I can't even express how excited I am for the return of the Deadman tonight.

[Speilmen230]

I can't even express how excited I am for the return of the Deadman tonight.
:confused this reads as if it is pure sarcasm.

I feel like if it is true, then the only reason you are excited is because it means that Sting is going to be back with TNA.

[K3nTaKa0s]

:confused this reads as if it is pure sarcasm.

I feel like if it is true, then the only reason you are excited is because it means that Sting is going to be back with TNA.

Yes and no.

[Speilmen230]

Yes and no.

All you are doing is strengthening the notion that you are a TNA Troll. Which i try to not label you as, but with posts like these it just cements that you really go out of your way to shit on WWE.

[K3nTaKa0s]

All you are doing is strengthening the notion that you are a TNA Troll. Which i try to not label you as, but with posts like these it just cements that you really go out of your way to shit on WWE.

Waaaaaa, waaaaaaa. You're the one bringing up TNA, not I.

[gocubsgo3822]

I think the WWF jsut had better characters than the WCW..

I mean at the heart of WWE we were talking HBK stone cold nation of domination mankind taker kane etc. where wcw had old guys and has beens. I mean i loved wolfpack and i watched both but at the moment when they were going at it hardcore with each other i would buy WWE Pay perviews and not wcw

[Speilmen230]

Waaaaaa, waaaaaaa. You're the one bringing up TNA, not I.

And you are the only bringing up sarcastic remarks regarding the return of the Undertaker.

[gocubsgo3822]

Unertaker choke slamming mankind off the hell in the cellwill still go down as my favortie childhoodf moment ever

[Speilmen230]

I think the WWF jsut had better characters than the WCW..

I mean at the heart of WWE we were talking HBK stone cold nation of domination mankind taker kane etc. where wcw had old guys and has beens. I mean i loved wolfpack and i watched both but at the moment when they were going at it hardcore with each other i would buy WWE Pay perviews and not wcw

WCW HAD Ron Simmons, HAD Steve Austin, HAD Mick Foley, HAD Kevin Nash, HAD Mark Callaway (Undertaker), HAD Kane, HAD Chris Jericho, HAD Dean Malenko, & HAD Chris Beniot all before WWF got their hands on them.

They HAD plenty of chances it just that WCW was not very good at developing characters. They were run by a bunch of territory guys who were used to being able to just insert such and such's name and have that be enough to sell tickets.

On the other end WWF was run by a bunch of really smart creative people who knew how to build stars and develop characters well.

WCW only developed a handful of stars in their lifespan. Goldberg, The Giant (who they billed as the son of Andre), & Crow Sting. Everyother big name that carried the company was either WWF made (Hogan, Nash, Hall, Randy Savage, Luger) or was tried and true star like Ric Flair & Roddy Piper.

[kittensXLI]

Classic :lol

[gocubsgo3822]

WCW HAD Ron Simmons, HAD Steve Austin, HAD Mick Foley, HAD Kevin Nash, HAD Mark Callaway (Undertaker), HAD Kane, HAD Chris Jericho, HAD Dean Malenko, & HAD Chris Beniot all before WWF got their hands on them.

They HAD plenty of chances it just that WCW was not very good at developing characters. They were run by a bunch of territory guys who were used to being able to just insert such and such's name and have that be enough to sell tickets.

On the other end WWF was run by a bunch of really smart creative people who knew how to build stars and develop characters well.

WCW only developed a handful of stars in their lifespan. Goldberg, The Giant (who they billed as the son of Andre), & Crow Sting. Everyother big name that carried the company was either WWF made (Hogan, Nash, Hall, Randy Savage, Luger) or was tried and true star like Ric Flair & Roddy Piper.


See when they had these guys they did such a bad job with them that when they were the first defectors to WWE i wasnt even upset. I mean the WCW didnt make Austin into what he is today.

The difference between the WWE and everyone else is that quite frankly no one can hold a torch to Vince McMahon and his ability to creat emotional characters that people can realte too.. I love the WWE

[Speilmen230]

See when they had these guys they did such a bad job with them that when they were the first defectors to WWE i wasnt even upset. I mean the WCW didnt make Austin into what he is today.

The difference between the WWE and everyone else is that quite frankly no one can hold a torch to Vince McMahon and his ability to creat emotional characters that people can realte too.. I love the WWE

Oh forgot to mention Eddie Gurrero too.

They had the talent and the bank account to support it, they just had no fucking clue what to do with it.


WCW Mean Mark Callaway -> WWF The Undertaker
WCW Stunning Steve Austin -> WWF Stone Cold
WCW Vinnie Vegas -> WWF Diesel
WCW Chris Jericho -> WWF Y2J Chris Jericho
WCW Eddie Gurrero/Dean Malenko/Chris Beniot -> WWF The Radicalz then Latino Heat and The Rabid Wolverine/Toothless Aggression

[gocubsgo3822]

I cant tell who my favorite character ever is...

Pure Face: The Peoples Champ
Badass Face: Austin 3:16
Heel: The Coroporate Champ

Pretty much the Rock was the best talent ever produced

[Speilmen230]

this is how it shakes out for me:

Best Wrestling Character: The Rock/Chris Jericho
Best in-ring performer: HBK/Kurt Angle/Bret Hart
Best Non-Wrestling Character: Mr. McMahon
Best overall package (In-ring ability, Charisma, look, marketability): HBK/Stone Cold

[Speilmen230]

What is everyone's favorite finisher of all time?

[gocubsgo3822]

this is how it shakes out for me:

Best Wrestling Character: The Rock/Chris Jericho
Best in-ring performer: HBK/Kurt Angle/Bret Hart
Best Non-Wrestling Character: Mr. McMahon
Best overall package (In-ring ability, Charisma, look, marketability): HBK/Stone Cold

The rock could just do anything. Seconed to none on the mic high flying a showman...

Rock Bottom===> Peoples Elbow >>>> Last Stop===>Halloween

[kittensXLI]

Sweet Chin Music, and it's not even close.

[Speilmen230]

The rock could just do anything. Seconed to none on the mic high flying a showman...

Rock Bottom===> Peoples Elbow >>>> Last Stop===>Halloween

His in ring ability left something to be desired though. Not that he wasn't good, but he wasn't anywhere close to people like Angle, HBK, Jeircho, 1996 Austin, Undertaker, HHH. But what was great about the rock is that what he lacked in in-ring ability he made up for 10 fold in charisma.

[Speilmen230]

Sweet Chin Music, and it's not even close.

I was hoping someone would get this right. (Yes there are wrong answers. :lol)

although the Stone Cold Stunner is a close second.

[hbktonyb]

What is everyone's favorite finisher of all time?

Perfect plex
Chin music
Peep elbow
Leg drop hogan
Elbow - macho

[kittensXLI]

Perfect Plex might be the most underrated finisher ever.

I hated Stone Cold, but the Stunner was pretty perfect, except when idiots like The Rock sell it horrifically.

[hbktonyb]

Stunner was great

Move I most want performed on me: Keibler stink face :lol

[kittensXLI]

The Fame-Ass-er was always pretty cool.

[Rodey]

Stone Cold Stunner is my favorite finisher, not really even close.

Second would probably be the Rock Bottom or the Tombstone.

[hbktonyb]

Add your fav tag team finisher

[Rodey]

Stunner was great

Move I most want performed on me: Keibler stink face :lol

:lol:thumbsup

I would lick her ass.

The Fame-Ass-er was always pretty cool.

That was a good move accompanied by an amazing name.

[Speilmen230]

Perfect Plex might be the most underrated finisher ever.

I hated Stone Cold, but the Stunner was pretty perfect, except when idiots like The Rock sell it horrifically.

You hated Stone Cold? Really? I have never heard of anyone ever hating SCSA. You sir are the first person i have ever heard say that.

[kittensXLI]

Dooms Day Device

[kittensXLI]

You hated Stone Cold? Really? I have never heard of anyone ever hating SCSA. You sir are the first person i have ever heard say that.
I HATED Stone Cold. With a passion.

[Rodey]

I HATED Stone Cold. With a passion.

Go kill yourself right now. :lol

Stone Cold was the most entertaining individual for a long stretch. All the shit he used to do was hilarious.

[kittensXLI]

Stone Cold was the Megan Fox of the late 90's. No, that's not a compliment.

[Speilmen230]

I HATED Stone Cold. With a passion.

Can i get an explanation as to why?

I mean i had a buddy growing up who liked to be different than everyone else so his favorites consisted of younger up and coming guys Like 1998 HHH and Rocky and eventually 1999 Kurt Angle. But he would still mark out for Austin stunning Vince and raising hell.

[kittensXLI]

Preference I guess.

[Speilmen230]

Preference I guess.

very interesting. Do you like or at least appreciate his character now?

[kittensXLI]

I could never get into Steve Austin as a face. He was a truly great heel.

[gocubsgo3822]

My favorite finishers

1. Stone Cold Stunner
2. Rock Bottom==>Peoples Elbow
3. Tombstone Piledriver
4. Bronco Buster
5. Sharpshooter

[Speilmen230]

I could never get into Steve Austin as a face. He was a truly great heel.

See i am the exact opposite he is a great Anti-Hero and i thought he was a terrible Heel because he was too funny, and it was awkward to see him hugging mcmahon.

[Speilmen230]

My favorite finishers

1. Stone Cold Stunner
2. Rock Bottom==>Peoples Elbow
3. Tombstone Piledriver
4. Bronco Buster
5. Sharpshooter

Eww really? I hated X-Pac so i guess i am biased but i fucking hated the Bronco Buster.

[gocubsgo3822]

Eww really? I hated X-Pac so i guess i am biased but i fucking hated the Bronco Buster.

I think i have it rated that highly jsut becasue it was the most absurd finisher of all time next to rikishis stink face

[Speilmen230]

The Worm was the most absurd finisher of all time.

[gocubsgo3822]

The Worm was the most absurd finisher of all time.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Scorpion Death Drop.

[gocubsgo3822]

^ yea that was good i also really liked the diamond cutter

[kittensXLI]

Steve Austin 1995 through pre-WM 1998 > Stone Cold post-WM 1998+

[Speilmen230]

so basically pre-WWF championship

[kittensXLI]

Even during his build up for the title I didn't like him.

[BotheDMBFan]

What is everyone's favorite finisher of all time?

Double Arm DDT or the Texas Cloverleaf.

The RKO gets me going like no other though.

[gocubsgo3822]

Stone Cold giving the stunner to Stephanie McMahon might be the greatest male on female violent moment ever

[Speilmen230]

I never knew that. that is extremely interesting to me. I have honestly never ever come across anyone who was not a fan of Austin.

[BotheDMBFan]

Stone Cold giving the stunner to Stephanie McMahon might be the greatest male on female violent moment ever

And your brother was on the receiving end of the greatest female on male violent moment ever, as I've heard...

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1298265930

spoilers

[kittensXLI]

Hogan, the 'E's most marketable machine, main evented 9 WMs in a row. Having Cena, the 'E's most marketable machine, main event WM this year being viewed as a flaw is ridiculous. Don't like Cena? Fine. Watching those Hogan WMs must not have been all that great for non-Hogan fans, past or present. Get over it.

Miz isn't good enough? The only better options for Cena are Rock and Undertaker, both of which never EVER would have happened. Anything else is a match we've seen before, and we all know how some people feel about repeat matches...

[BotheDMBFan]

My problem is not so much Cena main eventing WM, it's that Miz is so boring, and I don't think Miz and Cena would put on a good program with each other.

[kittensXLI]

It baffles me people perceive Miz as boring yet Batista was somehow better.

[BotheDMBFan]

It baffles me people perceive Miz as boring yet Batista was somehow better.

I never said Batista was better.

[kittensXLI]

I never said Batista was better.
Fair enough.

[BotheDMBFan]

Fair enough.

The big one I wanted was Punk v Orton to headline WM. I knew I would never get that (at least I get it at WM in general, which is fine), but I really think that it should have been Orton v Cena. I know we've seen it a lot, but these are the top two guys in the company right now, and work really well with each other.

[Speilmen230]

I think Edge/Del Rio is going to be a much better program than Cena/Miz but that is just my personal opinion.

To me personally Edge is a much more likable fun character than Cena and I am in love with what Del Rio has done in the last 3 months.

[kittensXLI]

The big one I wanted was Punk v Orton to headline WM. I knew I would never get that (at least I get it at WM in general, which is fine), but I really think that it should have been Orton v Cena. I know we've seen it a lot, but these are the top two guys in the company right now, and work really well with each other.
I don't disagree with any of that.

It's just funny how all of a sudden this "is the worst WM card ever" to some people. I guess it really comes down to : hbktony (no HBK match), K3nta (no explanation needed), and me putting words in your (Bo) mouth.

Again, besides Jericho/Edge and the Shawn Michaels matches, there's more matches building for this WM that I want to see/make me want to order than in the last half decade+. WM will be fine.

[gocubsgo3822]

I am watching Austin HHH from No Way out 2001.. Those guys were fucking good

[Speilmen230]

on paper i place this Wrestlemania in the upper half if we are going from 20 thru the present.

it makes Wrestlemania 24 look like a strong Summerslam card, It makes 23 just look boring IMO (which a good majority of 23 was. Only the MITB and 2 championship matches were good from that PPV), and it looks to be about on Par with 21, 22, and 25.

IMO The last truly great Wrestlemania was 19. That had awesome matches and some great finishes.

[hbktonyb]

I still think the one thing this WM does not have is that 'special' match, so they are replacing it with Rock hosting...

[Speilmen230]

Undertaker is returning at the top of the 10pm hour.

[kittensXLI]

I just don't understand why "special" > quality. If WM ends up with good matches and performances this year, that alone will blow away any "special" spots, for me at least.

[gonz085]

any links to a stream?

[Speilmen230]

Being the smark that i am Special certainly has a place at Wrestlemania and if it ends up being HHH vs Undertaker in Streak vs Career that will most definitely have a Special feel to me because i am a huge HHH fan, and i will be watching his last match. But i also love quality. Del Rio/Edge will be pure quality IMO. Morrison/Sheamus will be quality too especially if they add a cool stipulation to it.

[kittensXLI]

Cena is embarrassingly bad.

[K3nTaKa0s]

any links to a stream?

http://www.sportfree.net/

[Speilmen230]

any links to a stream?
http://atdhenet.tv/28993/watch-wwe-monday-night-raw

[Speilmen230]

Cena is embarrassingly bad.

God just the difference between the Rock's delivery and Cena's delivery are night and day.

[kittensXLI]

I've never seen Fruity Pebbles get more exposure in my entire life.

[Speilmen230]

I've never seen Fruity Pebbles get more exposure in my entire life.

Yabba Dabba DOOO!!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Thug-o-nomics?

[kittensXLI]

Geigh rap battle. :thumbsdow

[Speilmen230]

Rapper Cena.

He was great during that time.

[kittensXLI]

Rapper Cena making a return!?!?!

He was great during that time.
STRONGLY disagree.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't disagree with any of that.

It's just funny how all of a sudden this "is the worst WM card ever" to some people. I guess it really comes down to : hbktony (no HBK match), K3nta (no explanation needed), and me putting words in your (Bo) mouth.

Again, besides Jericho/Edge and the Shawn Michaels matches, there's more matches building for this WM that I want to see/make me want to order than in the last half decade+. WM will be fine.

I think this WM will be really good. I just don't like this match.

[kittensXLI]

I think this WM will be really good. I just don't like this match.
Fair enough.

[Speilmen230]

STRONGLY disagree.

He was a great heel. He mixed the rap with the ruthless aggression attitude and it worked well for him.

[Speilmen230]

This is the best promo cena has cut in forever.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Is this Raw or 8 Mile?

[kittensXLI]

zzzzzzzz

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm so glad they're not going at it with each other verbally, because Rock would totally outclass Cenar.

[Speilmen230]

Morrison vs CM Punk should be a great match.

I love both of these guys. CM Punk has the edge in my book though because of his Mic Skills.

[jackisback24]

the funny thing is I wonder if Cena would be such a good promo to weasel Rock to come out of retirement for a match. If he cuts a promo and makes Rock look bad, Rock may say fuck it and want to wrestle Cena. Cena gets a huge payday as that would be the main event of WM27 and the buyrates would exceed 1 mil because, in some fans eyes, it is a dream match or closest thing you'll get in the current age of wrestling. If Cena could goad him enough in such a clever way, Rock may say "alright, one more match."


Per my comments above at 2:25pm today, I tried and tried to tell you smart marks that this might happen. Rock vs. Cena....hmmmmm.

[BotheDMBFan]

Morrison needs to learn how to speak before he goes up against the best mic worker in the WWE.

[Speilmen230]

I think morrison could be a main eventer if he either a learned how to talk, or b got a manager who was great on the mic (Nash).

[K3nTaKa0s]

Where's Lawler?

[Speilmen230]

Punk is such a damn good heel. He is such a great troll character.

[Speilmen230]

Where's Lawler?

he's got an interview with Cole later on tonight.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think morrison could be a main eventer if he either a learned how to talk, or b got a manager who was great on the mic (Nash).

I think he could learn. I thought Shelton could too, though.

[GrooGrux420]

I really hope this is the start of going away from the PG product.

[Speilmen230]

I think he could learn. I thought Shelton could too, though.

I think JoMo has a bigger upside than Shelton did. But i was a huge fan of Shelton. I thought he had so much untapped potential.

[ProphetofJit]

Anyone else see the Taker symbol at the top of the arena? Really hoping that thing lights on fire tonight ...

[jackisback24]

Anyone else see the Taker symbol at the top of the arena? Really hoping that thing lights on fire tonight ...
Sting from rafters?

[BotheDMBFan]

I think JoMo has a bigger upside than Shelton did. But i was a huge fan of Shelton. I thought he had so much untapped potential.

Shelton had potential to be the best in ring worker since Dean Malenko.

[Speilmen230]

I really hope this is the start of going away from the PG product.

i can't :thumbsup this post enough. It doesn't even have to go back to TV-14 just stop limiting your product. Use the full range of everything that is allowed in the PG element. WWE PG and TV PG are much much different.

[kittensXLI]

Shelton had potential to be the best in ring worker since Dean Malenko.
gtfo.888

[GrooGrux420]

I think JoMo has a bigger upside than Shelton did. But i was a huge fan of Shelton. I thought he had so much untapped potential.

I loved Shelton, he was great especially in ladder matches. :thumbsup

Speaking of which, I would love to see a triangle ladder match between Del Rio vs. Edge vs. Christian.

[BotheDMBFan]

gtfo.888

He had the perfect mix of athleticism and adventure to his moves. He was always willing to learn new stuff in the ring. Damn shame dude had the verbal skills of a fucking 3 year old.

[Speilmen230]

Shelton had potential to be the best in ring worker since Dean Malenko.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here Bo.

Shelton could have certainly been a great in-ring talent. He just needed a solid gimmick, whether it would have been Heel or Face. He is another one who could have used a great manager.

IMO managers are a lost art.

[GrooGrux420]

i can't :thumbsup this post enough. It doesn't even have to go back to TV-14 just stop limiting your product. Use the full range of everything that is allowed in the PG element. WWE PG and TV PG are much much different.

That is exactly my feelings. I don't care to see all the tits and ass like back in the attitude era (wouldn't mind it though :evil) but I want see some color, and use of chairs, tables and spots like it used to be.

[Speilmen230]

I think the WWE is smart to not have go Orton go up against CM Punk in a Mic Battle. Punk would make Orton look silly. Unless of course Orton mixes in his Legend Killer cocky persona, then i think he would do fine. But the Viper persona really limits his mic potential.

[kittensXLI]

Orton is pretty overrated on the microphone.

[Speilmen230]

That is exactly my feelings. I don't care to see all the tits and ass like back in the attitude era (wouldn't mind it though :evil) but I want see some color, and use of chairs, tables and spots like it used to be.

the occasional blood to really bring the heat in a Feud.

There is nothing like having a heel bloody up a face and give him twice the heat because of it.

[kittensXLI]

wth is this.

[GrooGrux420]

Now wee got Kofi attacking Del Rio. 4-way ladder match between Kofi/Christian/Del Rio/Edge. I just want a fucking ladder match damn it. :lol

[comerelaxnow]

Del Rio should be in an intercont. championship match with Kofi at WM....not headlining

[Speilmen230]

Del Rio should evolve his Gimmick to like a Latino Mob Boss. He wear suits, sweet talks those in charge and pays them off so he has them in his back pocket, but have his in-ring persona be down right ruthless. If someone doesn't pay him back for money he lent out he beats the shit out of them.

[GrooGrux420]

Welp, Kingston is getting buried and Del Rio is getting built up. I'll still go for a 3-way ladder match.

Better yet give me a TLC match with Edge/Christian vs. Del Rio/Ricardo Rodriguez at Extreme Rules. :lol

[Speilmen230]

really...


really...


that is the best Main Event they can come up with?

[hbktonyb]

I don't care what anybody says, that was a great Cena promo. Cena in a TV-14 setting would be so much better. I hate his character now, but loved the thuganomics rap.

[Speilmen230]

Would have done better with Cena and Miz having to find a superstar to fight for them, and if their choice won, they got to pick a stipulation for their WM Match.

[kittensXLI]

Would have done better with Cena and Miz having to find a superstar to fight for them, and if their choice won, they got to pick a stipulation for their WM Match.
No thanks. I'd rather it be a normal WM match. No dumb stipulations.

[Speilmen230]

I don't care what anybody says, that was a great Cena promo. Cena in a TV-14 setting would be so much better. I hate his character now, but loved the thuganomics rap.

:thumbsup i completely agree. I loved his promo tonight, and thought he did a pretty damn good job.

[Speilmen230]

No thanks. I'd rather it be a normal WM match. No dumb stipulations.

Well my thinking was have Cena's superstar win and have cena say that A-Rei is banned from ring-side.

[kittensXLI]

Well my thinking was have Cena's superstar win and have cena say that A-Rei is banned from ring-side.
I'm kind of hoping Riley faces King and isn't out for the main event by default.

[kittensXLI]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Speilmen230]

So apparently TNA Lockdown is going to be taking place at Cincinnati's US Bank Arena. Tickets are ranging from 68 to 23 bucks. Should i go?

I really only wanna go to see Angle, Anderson, AJ, & Beer Money. But Angle is pretty damn alluring for me. I have never seen him live before.

[kittensXLI]

I wouldn't pay more than 20 for TNA, and that is required to include Kurt being there.

[Speilmen230]

I wouldn't pay more than 20 for TNA, and that is required to include Kurt being there.

Guaranteed to see some some pretty sick matches though with it being Lockdown (Cage Matches).

[K3nTaKa0s]

My buddy just bought the Lockdown VIP package.

[Speilmen230]

My buddy just bought the Lockdown VIP package.

that 158 dollar package?

What does it include?

[K3nTaKa0s]

that 158 dollar package?

What does it include?

There's a bunch of stuff on it. I don't know off hand.

[GrooGrux420]

Anyone else think, the way they did Taker's entrance was retarded?

And there's HHH.

[Speilmen230]

There's a bunch of stuff on it. I don't know off hand.

i am not planning on doing it (1. i am poor & 2. i don't like TNA all that much)

but i would like to see what it has to offer.

[Speilmen230]

Yes!!!! God i missed him!!!


(HHH that is, not Undertaker)

[K3nTaKa0s]

Yippee. Two late-40s headliners. I thought that was bad for business? hahaha.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Way to build up Undertaker's return and then have Triple Haitch come in. lol.

[Rodey]

Didn't see this one coming, wow.

[GrooGrux420]

Of course, HHH's intro has to top Taker's and totally eclipses it.

[Speilmen230]

Yippee. Two early to mid 40s headliners. I thought that was bad for business? hahaha.

Fixed for accuracy.

And they haven't been stealing the spotlight from the younger guys for weeks and months on end. And this is probably HHH's last hurah as an In-Ring talent.

[Speilmen230]

H looks damn good.

Undertaker, not so much.

Undertaker is showing his age.

[kittensXLI]

This is dumb.

H is so fat.

This match was better a decade ago.

H/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett woukd've been much nicer.

[Speilmen230]

If that was it, that was a god awful return. Way to have them both look like robots.

[GrooGrux420]

Way to build up Undertaker's return and then have Triple Haitch come in. lol.

Doesn't bother me really, because we all the knew of Taker's return far in advance, and it being a let down with all the Sting build up.

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol:lol:lol @ H/Taker being compared to Hogan/Flair

Classic

[Rodey]

Yeah, that was fucking lame as hell for a return.

[kittensXLI]

I don't understand how an H return against Sheamus wouldn't have been both more interesting and more powerful.

This is the epitome of random, as far as kayfabe goes.

[Speilmen230]

This is dumb.

H is so fat.

This match was better a decade ago.

H/Sheamus and Taker/Barrett woukd've been much nicer.

:freak:ugh:freak :confused

H does not look fat at all. He looks good. I would love to have half the body he has.

[kittensXLI]

:freak:ugh:freak :confused

H does not look fat at all. He looks good. I would love to have half the body he has.
HHH would too.

[Speilmen230]

I don't understand how an H return against Sheamus wouldn't have been both more interesting and more powerful.

This is the epitome of random, as far as kayfabe goes.

He is going to avenge the forced retirement of his very best friend. I get it kayfabe wise, it is just a little weak.

Sheamus/HHH would have been better kayfabe wise but this will be one hell of a match.

i would have loved to have seen HHH cut a promo on taker.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hell.. even I expected more out of that segment.

[ProphetofJit]

So I miss The Rock's return last week ... have to watch it on youtube, then I make sure I can watch this week cause I'm a big Taker fan ... and the giant Taker symbol .......... and that's what they give us???

Sad face for sure ...

[kittensXLI]

Typical 'E letdown.

[Speilmen230]

So I miss The Rock's return last week ... have to watch it on youtube, then I make sure I can watch this week cause I'm a big Taker fan ... and the giant Taker symbol .......... and that's what they give us???

Sad face for sure ...

Yeah that shit was weak as hell.

[kittensXLI]

Dude Sheamus/Henry at WM might make me kill myself.

[hbktonyb]

As good as the Rock segment was, that was terrible.

But there is no way Haitch/Sheamus rematch is better than Taker/Haitch.

[Speilmen230]

Sheamus was a WWE Champion and now he is mid-card with Mark Henry. why?? because Kevin Dunn isn't a fan.

[kittensXLI]

H/Taker is a cop-out, last-minute, random plan. That happened in 2001. And was awesome actually.

Undertaker is supposed to be one of the three top matches at WM. I'd unquestionably be more interested in Barrett getting a chance in a monster spot than H.

[hbktonyb]

Sheamus is a terrible wrestler.

[kittensXLI]

This is unbelievably bad.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Anyone else think the Undertaker symbol looks like the 'T' in Sting? hahahahahah.

[gonz085]

Stand back, there's a Hurricane coming through!

[Speilmen230]

Sheamus just jobbed to Mark Henry... I have lost a lot of respect for the WWE.

[GrooGrux420]

Damn Henry over Sheamus? Really?

(I like Henry, so I don't mind, but really?)

[hbktonyb]

H/Taker is a cop-out, last-minute, random plan. That happened in 2001. And was awesome actually.

Undertaker is supposed to be one of the three top matches at WM. I'd unquestionably be more interested in Barrett getting a chance in a monster spot than H.

You are in the minority. H/Taker is more interesting than Barrett and Sheamus.

And how is it a last minute plan when there were spoilers on it up to 2 months ago?

[kittensXLI]

Nice botch Matthews.

[ant_marching41]

They really could have given Taker a few minutes on the mic, but I guess when you've got the 2 guys with the longest entrances of all time, I guess there wasn't time.

At least they moved to this captivating Sheamus/Job Henry rivalry.

Glad to see H back. Looking forward to the match, and hopefully Taker and H stay on Raw during the build up.

[kittensXLI]

You are in the minority. H/Taker is more interesting than Barrett and Sheamus.

And how is it a last minute plan when there were spoilers on it up to 2 months ago?
I'd love to see the "spoilers" on it from 2 months ago. Names have been kicked around both a heck of a lot longer and also more recent before H was decided upon.

[DMBfan41]

That was horribly done. How bout them both say something? Make some bad blood, a stipulation, something. After last weeks great return by The Rock, this was very disappointing

[K3nTaKa0s]

They really could have given Taker a few minutes on the mic, but I guess when you've got the 2 guys with the longest entrances of all time, I guess there wasn't time.



Yeah.. they just had to have the three minute Morrison/Punk match and three minute Divas tag match.

[Speilmen230]

Confirm or Deny: Eventually Sheamus will be battling it out with Jack Swagger on Superstars.

[hbktonyb]

I don't know, they did give Sheamus the King title...Maybe he will Billy Gunn it.

[GrooGrux420]

I think they are saving the Taker/HHH confrontation for next week. You're not going to play all your cards in one night.

[Speilmen230]

Oh god... i can already see where Tough Enough is going to go.

[comerelaxnow]

A HHH/Taker Streak vs Career match would be great!

[kittensXLI]

Danielson/Sheamus would be a massive save at this point.

[Speilmen230]

Hacksaw!

good to see him get inducted.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[hbktonyb]

Not ready for Haitch to retire though.

[ant_marching41]

Great inductee.

[GrooGrux420]

Confirm or Deny: Eventually Sheamus will be battling it out with Jack Swagger on Superstars.

Confirm. I don't know what E is thinking, but they built both of these guys up so well, only to bring them down just as fast.

[ant_marching41]

Cole's face is getting fat, don't you think?

[gocubsgo3822]

Bit of a letdown but hhh and taker will be a great match

[Speilmen230]

Not ready for Haitch to retire though.

not at all... I am a huge fan of Haitch. that will be a huge hit to WWE in my mind. first they lose HBK last year, now this year they lose HHH.

[kittensXLI]

Cole is so fat.

[Speilmen230]

Cole's face is getting fat, don't you think?

his face looks a lot fuller than it did in 1999, but i think he just put on some weight over the last few years. not recently.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQjligmk5A

[hbktonyb]

not at all... I am a huge fan of Haitch. that will be a huge hit to WWE in my mind. first they lose HBK last year, now this year they lose HHH.

That's why I'm hoping the retirement is not true.

[GrooGrux420]

Just got word Raw is suppose to be here in May and The Rock was listed under the press release stuff the venue received. Just be getting ringside for it again. :hump

[Speilmen230]

That's why I'm hoping the retirement is not true.

I think it is going to be true. Haitch just took a high up job in the company and his kids are still young, so i am sure he wants to be home to raise them.

[kittensXLI]

Sketchy shite.

[Speilmen230]

thats pretty low. idc if it is kayfabe or not that is pretty low way to go to get heat.

[DMBfan41]

What's going to save Wrestlemania? Of Course, Lawler vs Cole!

[kittensXLI]

Lawler/Riley is better. This is pathetic.

[Speilmen230]

Lawler vs Cole will be Vince vs Bret all over again.

[ant_marching41]

his face looks a lot fuller than it did in 1999, but i think he just put on some weight over the last few years. not recently.
Well yea, but it seemed more "fuller" than I thought it was, and I've been watching Raw again for months now.
Lawler vs Cole will be Vince vs Bret all over again.
This is true. Why even bother.

[Speilmen230]

This Raw is falling really flat. It should have been a really solid if not better than last week, but no, this is just bad.

[kittensXLI]

For the 100th time, King/Riley would be decent. King/Cole is putrid.

[Speilmen230]

I am not a fan of this main event at all. This raw if flirting with a 5/10.

[GrooGrux420]

This Raw is falling really flat. It should have been a really solid if not better than last week, but no, this is just bad.

I agree. It seemed like everything molded itself perfectly after last night's EC, but the booking of this entire Raw is beyond horrible.

[kittensXLI]

Raw fail. 'E fail. Typical.

[comerelaxnow]

Miz/Cena would be a terrible match on Superstars much less Wrestlemania

[K3nTaKa0s]

Raw fail. 'E fail. Typical.

Did I not tell you that this would happen?

[kittensXLI]

Watch the 'E fail again tonight, somehow believe it or not, by giving Miz and Cena the straps.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hahahahahahaah.

[kittensXLI]

wtf is this crap? Am I watching TNA somehow?

[hbktonyb]

Great Raw last week, great opening segment with Cena.

The rest is pure shit.

[DMBfan41]

What is this crap. I would like to see them be Tag Champs and then make the match at Wrestlemania a WWE Championship & Tag Team Championship match. Then let the Miz win and then him and Riley could be tag champs giving the Miz the role of being even more awesome.

[GrooGrux420]

What is this crap. I would like to see them be Tag Champs and then make the match at Wrestlemania a WWE Championship & Tag Team Championship match. Then let the Miz win and then him and Riley could be tag champs giving the Miz the role of being even more awesome.

None of this made sense. :confused

[DMBfan41]

actually just wait for it. The Rock is going to come out and take out both Cena and Miz causing them to lose

[kittensXLI]

Gabriel and Slater actually aren't that bad. Too bad the 'E sucks and books this trash.

[kittensXLI]

So pointless. If the title change never happened and it was one consecutive match, it actually would've been good. Tried to get fancy and do too much at once, and it sucked.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Gewirtz needs fired.

[GrooGrux420]

So pointless. If the title change never happened and it was one consecutive match, it actually would've been good. Tried to get fancy and do too much at once, and it sucked.

Agreed. They over thought that.

[GrooGrux420]

Details on HHH/Taker during the commercials.

Thanks to reader Billy Krotchsen for providing the following live notes from WWE Raw tonight, featuring the big 2/21/11 reveal. Our correspondent noted that Triple H received the biggest reaction of the night, even more than Undertaker, Randy Orton or John Cena. Undertaker missed his cue and came out before his music started, then had to return to the back.

[Rodey]

What an awful ending to the show.

[Speilmen230]

Well this is it, My 10,000th post. i thought i would spend it in the thread that i spend by far the most time in and spit out a number of lists related to Wrestling.

Favorite workers of all time:

1. Shawn Michaels
2. Kurt Angle
3. Chris Jericho
4. Triple H
5. Chris Benoit

Favorite Characters of all time (in and non in ring):

1. Mr. McMahon
2. The Rock
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. Chris Jericho
5. HBK

Favorite wrestlers of all time:

1. Shawn Michaels
2. Chris Jericho
3. Kurt Angle
4. The Rock
5. Stone Cold Steve Austin

Favorite Matches of all time:

1. HBK/Angle (WM 21)
2. Undertaker/HBK (Bad Blood 1997)
3. Triple H/HBK/Chris Beniot (WM 20)
4. Chris Jericho/Triple H (Fully Loaded 2000)
5. Stone Cold/Bret Hart (WM 13)
6. Rock/Austin (WM 19)
7. Rock/Angle (No Way Out 2001)
8. Angle/Lesnar (WM 19)
9. Benoit/Jericho (Royal Rumble 2003)
10. EC/Hardyz/Dudley's (WM X-Seven)

Thanks a ton guys for keeping this a great topic guys. my 10,000th post on the 500th page of this thread. pretty good night in light of tonight's awful Raw.

[jackisback24]

mixed bag of a show. Glad to see Hacksaw going into the Hall with Dibiase inducting. They had great stuff in Mid South. Kinda cheesy having Miz and Cena tag up when they had this feud going but I kinda liked how Miz double crossed Cena. I actually didn't see that coming. I would've liked to have seen Lawler vs. Miz and Cena vs. Rock and of course Sting vs. Taker at WM. Maybe they can have Michaels in Hunters corner and Sting the special referee or something.

[hbktonyb]

Well this is it, My 10,000th post. i thought i would spend it in the thread that i spend by far the most time in and spit out a number of lists related to Wrestling.

Favorite workers of all time:

1. Shawn Michaels
2. Kurt Angle
3. Chris Jericho
4. Triple H
5. Chris Benoit

Favorite Characters of all time (in and non in ring):

1. Mr. McMahon
2. The Rock
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. Chris Jericho
5. HBK

Favorite wrestlers of all time:

1. Shawn Michaels
2. Chris Jericho
3. Kurt Angle
4. The Rock
5. Stone Cold Steve Austin

Favorite Matches of all time:

1. HBK/Angle (WM 21)
2. Undertaker/HBK (Bad Blood 1997)
3. Triple H/HBK/Chris Beniot (WM 20)
4. Chris Jericho/Triple H (Fully Loaded 2000)
5. Stone Cold/Bret Hart (WM 13)
6. Rock/Austin (WM 19)
7. Rock/Angle (No Way Out 2001)
8. Angle/Lesnar (WM 19)
9. Benoit/Jericho (Royal Rumble 2003)
10. EC/Hardyz/Dudley's (WM X-Seven)

Thanks a ton guys for keeping this a great topic guys. my 10,000th post on the 500th page of this thread. pretty good night in light of tonight's awful Raw.

Great post and lists, we have similar tastes. :thumbsup

[justinandimcool]

Wait, no Rock tonight? How often will he be on TV?

Great promo by Cena, everything else fast forward worthy.

[hbktonyb]

Wait, no Rock tonight? How often will he be on TV?

Great promo by Cena, everything else fast forward worthy.

Probably like 1 more time, at Mania...:lol

[Speilmen230]

Wait, no Rock tonight? How often will he be on TV?

Great promo by Cena, everything else fast forward worthy.

who knows. he has been advertised on a few local tv ads for upcoming Monday Night Raw's. but that is all subject to change.

[GrooGrux420]

who knows. he has been advertised on a few local tv ads for upcoming Monday Night Raw's. but that is all subject to change.

Yea, he was on the press release for Raw that is coming here in May, no mention of Taker or HHH (duh). This time around I'm not keeping my hopes up on HBK making an appearance. :rolleyes

[K3nTaKa0s]

- During the commercial break between the Diva Tag match and the 2-21-11 reveal, WWE ran a WrestleMania ad in Canada that showed Taker/HHH staring each other down at the end of the package.

[comerelaxnow]

Its a shame to see whats happened to the Tag Team division.

[JacobLovesYou]

i was underwhelmed by the taker/hhh segment

they should've had HHH do some mic work before the stare down

[K3nTaKa0s]

Now that I think about it.. it's quite funny that Cena is talking shit on The Rock about his movies. If I remember correctly, Cena's movies weren't very good.

[comerelaxnow]

Went to go to sleep last night and put Shawn Michaels "My Journey" DVD in...ended up not sleeping. Bad idea, great DVD

[Crush086]

So Cena also says candyass, and even tells the Rock to blow him. I hope they're slowly transitioning away from the PG rating.

Busting out the heel Cena, I like what I'm seeing.

[hbktonyb]

I hope so too. Rock's promo and Cena's rap were great.

[JacobLovesYou]

So Cena also says candyass, and even tells the Rock to blow him. I hope they're slowly transitioning away from the PG rating.

Busting out the heel Cena, I like what I'm seeing.

that was the first thing i was thinking of. last week when the rock did his thing it was mostly after 11/10 (depending on time zone), but last night cena pushed the envelope within the first few minutes.

[hbktonyb]

Thoughts on erasing Benoit completely from history?

- The latest issue of WWE Magazine, which features the "Definitive Guide to WrestleMania" does not list any Chris Benoit WrestleMania matches. Even the main event of WrestleMania XX, which saw Chris Benoit capture the World Heavyweight title in a triple threat match that also included Shawn Michaels and Triple H, is listed as Kane vs. The Undertaker.

[kittensXLI]

It's a complete joke. Pathetic.

[Rodey]

KITTENS! Nice display pic.

DIRK RULES!