Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[kittensXLI]

If The Miz wins, literally everyone will be tied in the final standings. Except K3nta.

[mja271]

is this legit?

[hbktonyb]

If this is legit, he'll retire before long. He has too much pride to be tended to like this.

:lol Really? Really??

[Speilmen230]

hahaha of course they queue this after that performance.

[BotheDMBFan]

This match is emblematic of the entire night. Should have been a meh night with the card they had...and it's been almost completely great. Some parts take it down a bit, but for the most part, outstanding.

[hbktonyb]

is this legit?

Omg :lol What is going on??

Really??? Really????????

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't. He was saying Miz/Cena shouldn't be the main event...

No he wasn't. He was explaining why there had to be a buffer match inbetween.

[mja271]

well its just stupid. a waste of time. the only reason i asked is b/c im shocked to see undertaker carted off. i'd expect him to be down for a while, and do that stupid sit up and walk out. i didnt see the match at all

[Speilmen230]

piss break except for John's spots.

[jcomey]

:lol Really? Really??

Yes, really. It's possible that this was a one-off and he'll go back on hiatus to rehab the shoulder, which wasn't fully rehabbed before the match, and will never be 100% again. In that case, the angle is entirely possible.

[kittensXLI]

Ziggler/Morrison would be a great feud. Without these extra wastes of space.

[hbktonyb]

Taker must still be F'd up, maybe he is back to taking some more time off.

[Speilmen230]

Ziggler and Morrison probably feel like shit that they have to follow that match.

[hbktonyb]

Yes, really. It's possible that this was a one-off and he'll go back on hiatus to rehab the shoulder, which wasn't fully rehabbed before the match, and will never be 100% again. In that case, the angle is entirely possible.

Well of course that is possible. That is what I expect.

But no, the stretcher and Taker falling after the match is not legit.

[kittensXLI]

Yes, really. It's possible that this was a one-off and he'll go back on hiatus to rehab the shoulder, which wasn't fully rehabbed before the match, and will never be 100% again. In that case, the angle is entirely possible.
I honestly wouldn't expect to see UT for a very long time.

I personally hope he's gone until time for WM28 to build.

[BotheDMBFan]

This should ahve been just Morrison v Ziggler.

[Speilmen230]

I honestly wouldn't expect to see UT for a very long time.

I personally hope he's gone until time for WM28 to build.

kinda how HHH was?

[kittensXLI]

This should ahve been just Morrison v Ziggler.
This x 1,000,000.

[jcomey]

I don't. He was saying Miz/Cena shouldn't be the main event...

No he wasn't. He was explaining why there had to be a buffer match inbetween.

This. Re-read what I wrote. The six-man match is necessary to allow for proper heat to build again for the main event. This allows the crowd to cool down a bit; it's all ebb and flow.

[hbktonyb]

Either they are cutting the time of the main event or this PPV is going past 11.

[kittensXLI]

At least Morrison's hair finally looks good. He got a terrible haircut a few months ago.

[dmbmuskie]

Did Taker just die?

[jcomey]

dola--

I wonder if the end of the HHH/Taker match was changed. I wonder if it was supposed to end via submission.

[Speilmen230]

i think this match is going to be quick. probably 10 minutes at most.

[hbktonyb]

dola--

I wonder if the end of the HHH/Taker match was changed. I wonder if it was supposed to end via submission.

What the hell is going on with these questions. It's wrestling!

[kittensXLI]

What the hell is going on with these questions. It's wrestling!
Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[jcomey]

What the hell is going on with these questions. It's wrestling!

.........and?

By the way, I know it's not your name, but every time I see you post, I think it's the Honky Tonk Man. Just the way the letters come together.

[hbktonyb]

Morrison is awesome. Too good for this shit.

[kittensXLI]

Morrison is awesome. Too good for this shit.
This x 1,000,000.

[hbktonyb]

Snooki could do flips :lol

[bradshaw06]

lol snooki

[kittensXLI]

Morrison's "YEAH!" at the end was priceless!

[jcomey]

Did not see that coming.

And yes, Morrison is awesome. Gotta just be the payday.

[Speilmen230]

snooki cheerleader flips :lol

[hbktonyb]

.........and?

By the way, I know it's not your name, but every time I see you post, I think it's the Honky Tonk Man. Just the way the letters come together.

:lol someone else calls me Honky - Jackisback.

But no the HBK is for heart break kid.

[BotheDMBFan]

That match was shockingly not terrible.

[Speilmen230]

71,617. that is quite a number.

[hbktonyb]

It was fine, they kept it to 5 minutes which is correct. I expect a huge performance by The Miz.

[kittensXLI]

This has easily been the best WM since WM19.

[Speilmen230]

This is one of the best build up videos i have ever seen.

[hbktonyb]

What a GREAT video package for Miz. One of the best in a long time.

[Speilmen230]

there was something on the back of the championship. im curious as to what it is.

[Speilmen230]

Miz was better without Riley. just saying

[BotheDMBFan]

This has easily been the best WM since WM19.

Yup. If this one can finish right, it'll be in my top 5 WMs of all time.

[Speilmen230]

what the fuck is this....

[jcomey]

:lol someone else calls me Honky - Jackisback.

But no the HBK is for heart break kid.

Really?!?!?!? I wouldn't have put that together, this being a wrestling thread and all. ; )

[bradshaw06]

da fuck is this

[kittensXLI]

Cena always has the absolute worst entrances ever. I seriously hate everything about him.

[mja271]

haha DMX?! ridiculous

[Speilmen230]

DMX? lol

[kittensXLI]

This sucks. Cena is going to win. Ruined PPV.

[hbktonyb]

Isn't dmx in jail?

[bradshaw06]

this sucks.

[BotheDMBFan]

This shit is epic.

[Speilmen230]

Cena will either get screwed or will go over huge.

[bradshaw06]

this intro needs to get the fuck out of my face

[kittensXLI]

Cena is going to win and then get Rock Bottomed. What a joke.

[mja271]

This is fucking stupid, the champion has a short 2 minute entrance, and the challenger has this 7 minute abomination

[kittensXLI]

This feels like Jeff Hardy showed up drunk and ruined the night.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rock's entrance will take 9 hours.

[jcomey]

I'm not sure how that could be designed to get Cena over. It's like HHH/Steph wants to turn Cena by doing stuff like this, Cena shows he's ready to by playing to the crowd (like Monday night, very heel thing for Cena to do), but Vince just can't bring himself to okay it.

Stuff like that video just reinforce my thoughts.

[hbktonyb]

Do the right thing. Put Miz over...huge

[ant_marching41]

OOO Look! A new $hirt!

[mja271]

this would be the 3rd straight WM where Cena has won the title

[jcomey]

I hate this ring announcer. There is nothing like hearing..."and NEWWWWWWWWWWWW World Wrestling Federation Champion..."

Finkel4Life.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah, red isn't Cena's color.

[kittensXLI]

Justin Roberts > Fink

[BotheDMBFan]

Finkel is the best. This guy is good though.

[Speilmen230]

Cena is now Red.

Might signal a heel turn.

[hbktonyb]

The guy they have is good, but no one will ever be Finkel.

[Speilmen230]

Justin Roberts is my second favorite ring announcer behind Fink.

much better than Tony Chimmel.

[mja271]

I havent seen anything leading up to this...is there any chance Cena doesn't win?

[jcomey]

Finkel is the best. This guy is good though.

He's okay, but there are some nuances I just don't care for. I think I'm too partial to Fink's voice, especially for main events.

[jcomey]

I havent seen anything leading up to this...is there any chance Cena doesn't win?

I don't think there's been a WM that ended with the heel winning the main event. And Edge had a successful defense.

I can't see Cena not winning. But if you want to get Miz over for good, tonight's the night to do it. He can drop the title to anyone tomorrow.

[Speilmen230]

:lol at the Please Give Up sign

[Speilmen230]

Am i bat shit crazy for thinking that the Debut of the Red is a sign of a heel turn tonight?

[kittensXLI]

The only way he's a heel is by default when The Rock comes out.

[ant_marching41]

Justin Roberts is my second favorite ring announcer behind Fink.

much better than Tony Chimmel.
This. Chimmel was great back in the day, but now he doesn't carry the same energy as he used to, and every time he tries, he ends up cracking his voice. Ex: every time he announces Edge.

Anyway Roberts is good.
He's okay, but there are some nuances I just don't care for. I think I'm too partial to Fink's voice, especially for main events.
But I do agree with this. He's already there to announce the HOF class. Why not let him announce the main event?

[Speilmen230]

If rock sides with Miz and helps him to retain the title instantly turns Cena Tweener. Because the kiddies have no connection with Rock.

[hbktonyb]

Fucking Cena botch.

[kittensXLI]

Cena is seriously such a trash worker. He simply cannot wrestle. He looks like shit.

[Speilmen230]

Crowd is dead for this match. I think they are just so tired and wore out from Taker/HHH


That probably should have went on last unless this picks up drastically.

[kittensXLI]

The crowd has sucked all night. Atlanta crowd is a massive disappointment.

[bradshaw06]

lol at the equilibrium talk. come on.

[mja271]

The King is just awful on the mic now. What happened to him?

[jcomey]

This. Chimmel was great back in the day, but now he doesn't carry the same energy as he used to, and every time he tries, he ends up cracking his voice. Ex: every time he announces Edge.

Anyway Roberts is good.

But I do agree with this. He's already there to announce the HOF class. Why not let him announce the main event?

In Roberts' defense, his time is now. Fink is always at wrestling events; he works for the company backstage. He can *always* come announce. But his time has come and gone. Announcing the main event, as much as I'd like, is a sign that your current commentator isn't up to snuff. They obviously feel that he is (and he IS good...I'm just partial to Fink), so Fink out there for the main event is pointless, and an insult to the guy you already have.

[Speilmen230]

I think it has a lot to do with the Dome/Stadium theory.

The noise goes up. It doesn't fill the space.

[mja271]

also, the Miz is infinitely better than Cena. This is the first time I've really seen him wrestle, and he's pretty solid.

[kittensXLI]

The King is just awful on the mic now. What happened to him?
He deteriorated for 2 or 3 years and has sucked for the last 5. So it's been a good 7+ years of sucking for King on the headset.

[Speilmen230]

This has been fairly weak.


only re-inforces my thoughts of HHH/Taker main eventing.

[hbktonyb]

Could be. I mean they sound dead to me.

[jcomey]

Cena is seriously such a trash worker. He simply cannot wrestle. He looks like shit.

Part of me thinks that this is because of the formula he's had to work for so long. He plays face-in-peril very well. The Rock went through this, too...his moveset became predictable when he was a face, because he played FIP so well, and sold everything beautifully, that he mainly only had time for his signature moves.

Cena, upon a time, was pretty good, and could tell a good story in the ring. But he's been a face for so long, he's stale...in and out of the ring.

[Speilmen230]

Queue rocky.

[kittensXLI]

It's not going to get better. Cena is putrid. The only person to ever get a good match out of him is HBK. And how many HBK's have there ever even been? Look at all his other WM matches. They honestly all suck.

[hbktonyb]

Miz!! Big kick out.

[kittensXLI]

Thank God. There is hope after all.

[jcomey]

Now business is picking up. That was a hell of an AA.

[BotheDMBFan]

This match is finally getting good.

[kittensXLI]

Miz taking hits.

wtf is this crap.

[hbktonyb]

No. Here comes the Rock.

[jcomey]

Hahahahahaha

[Speilmen230]

What. the. fuck.

[jcomey]

You know that's not happening.

[Speilmen230]

he is soaked. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Rock mouths "Fuck that shit" as he comes out :lol

[dmbmuskie]

I knew the stream was too good to be true.

[jcomey]

Great. My feed has cut out. Perfect timing.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.soccertvlive.net/watch/57269/5/watch-wwe:-wrestlemania-xxvii.html For dead streamers.

[Speilmen230]

i think everyones stream died.

[Speilmen230]

BOOM! BOOM!

Rock FTMFW!

MIZ WENT OVER!!!

[hbktonyb]

Miz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kittensXLI]

Thank God. Praise the Lord.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Awful. Just fucking awful.

[BotheDMBFan]

Makes Miz look like shit. Awful finish.

[jcomey]

And you've set up the hottest feud in years for Summerslam.

[kittensXLI]

I can think of 3 worse finishes :

3. ends in countout/DQ
2. Cena wins
1. 88-second squash match due to inebriation

[mja271]

Peoples elbow lmao

[jcomey]

I'm surprised they'd have Miz retain AND bury him at the same time. Guess The Rock is staying for awhile.

[Speilmen230]

I'm not real high on this finish.

but they just set up a very very very very LARGE, HUGE, ENORMOUS, MONUMENTAL feud for SummerSlam.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rock should have called the ref in and won the title.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The movie star stands tall at the end of the biggest PPV of the Year.

What a fucking joke.

Miz is buried.

[bradshaw06]

rock seems alittle out of breath haha

[BotheDMBFan]

Best WM since 19, easy. But a poor finish.

[jcomey]

I don't know how the main event at SS isn't:

Rock (c) vs John Cena

Who doesn't think The Rock will have the title by June?

[hbktonyb]

Really a great Mania. I'm very happy.

[kittensXLI]

My gripes about the PPV :

- Cole and King announcing
- ADR losing
- Snoop Dogg segment
- 8-Man Tag Team Match
- Cole/King match length
- people w/ shields during H's entrance

Other than that, I'd say it was a success. The crowd sucked, but whatever. Best WrestleMania since WM19.

[Speilmen230]

Best of the 20-something Wrestlemanias.

[BotheDMBFan]

My gripes about the PPV :

- Cole and King announcing
- ADR losing
- Snoop Dogg segment
- 8-Man Tag Team Match
- Cole/King match length
- people w/ shields during H's entrance

Other than that, I'd say it was a success. The crowd sucked, but whatever. Best WrestleMania since WM19.

Cole and King announcing was great. I think you meant JR and King.
ADR losing sucked, but also a nice surprise.
Snoop was funny, IMO.
That was such a waste, the US title shoulda been in its place.
Cole/King was fun for a while, went on too long, though.
I didn't mind the shields, but also could have done without them.

[Speilmen230]

anybody else who bought the PPV, did it start over for you?

[ProudestAnt]

Yeah, if you buy it, you get to watch it twice. Dunno why...

[kittensXLI]

Cole and King announcing was great. I think you meant JR and King.
ADR losing sucked, but also a nice surprise.
Snoop was funny, IMO.
That was such a waste, the US title shoulda been in its place.
Cole/King was fun for a while, went on too long, though.
I didn't mind the shields, but also could have done without them.
I think tonight was all in all a great PPV and a very good WM at that. VERY good.

There might not have been the WM-caliber match or whatever, but nearly every match was good, minus the 8-man squash.

[hbktonyb]

JR and King were like so run down. It was weird. But I don't have many complaints at all. Most of the matches were really good if not great. Haitch put on the performance of a lifetime. And Rock did what we thought he would...entertained, Rock bottomed, people's elbowed, and most of all helped Miz retain!

From top to bottom, one of the best Mania's in a very long time.

[Speilmen230]

Yeah, if you buy it, you get to watch it twice. Dunno why...

seriously??? :bounce

[BotheDMBFan]

I think tonight was all in all a great PPV and a very good WM at that. VERY good.

There might not have been the WM-caliber match or whatever, but nearly every match was good, minus the 8-man squash.

There were 3 great matches. HHH v Taker especially.

[kittensXLI]

WrestleMania 27 final standings :

4-4 Rodey
4-4 kittens
4-4 GrooGrux420
4-4 davidhamrick10
4-4 hbktony
4-4 Bo
4-4 JacobLovesYou
4-4 antsmarching41

3-5 Speilman

2-6 K3nta

[Speilmen230]

Overall rating 8.5/10

That is pretty damn good considering WM 19 is a 10/10 and X-Seven is a 9.5/10

[ProudestAnt]

seriously??? :bounce
I guess if it was that big of a deal for you, you should have taped it the first time it was on...

[BotheDMBFan]

Match ratings...

1. ADR v Edge: 4/5
2. Rhodes v Rey: 4.5/5
3. 8 Man Tag: 2/5
4. Orton v Punk: 4.8/5
5. Cole v King: 2.5/5
6. Taker v HHH: 5/5
7. 6 person tage: 2.5/5
8. Miz v Cena: 3/5

[Speilmen230]

WrestleMania 27 final standings :

4-4 Rodey
4-4 kittens
4-4 GrooGrux420
4-4 davidhamrick10
4-4 hbktony
4-4 Bo
4-4 JacobLovesYou
4-4 antsmarching41

3-5 Speilman

2-6 K3nta

FUCK!!! are you kidding???

[Speilmen230]

I guess if it was that big of a deal for you, you should have taped it the first time it was on...

I don't have a VCR anymore and the TV i am watching it on doesn't have DVR.

I am just pumped that i get to re-watch it for free while i do some homework.

[jcomey]

I'm surprised they've booked both Cena and Rock has heels lately, at least in their actions. I like it, because it equalizes them a bit.

I'll be curious to see what happens with the crowd if Cena continues to own Rock in promos. I'm a huge Rock fan (there may not be a bigger Rock mark than me...it still pisses me off that I lived in the same condo building as him in 2002, but my ex-wife got to meet him, while I was stuck meeting Urkel), but he's relying too much on his old stuff (and it seems like he's bothered by the PG stuff), while Cena handed him his ass on Monday. I'm greatly entertained by it all...but I'm curious to see what happens now.

[kittensXLI]

FUCK!!! are you kidding???
Picks don't lie.

X lawler
X mysterio
X corre
O morrison
O orton
X adr
O ut
X cena

[Speilmen230]

fuck me... im only 1 pick away from being as bad as kent.

[kittensXLI]

The 8-man tag is the only real glaring flaw from tonight, I think. Great PPV. I think a lot of people should be pleasantly surprised, given the card bashing, Sting-want-ers, etc.

[hbktonyb]

Match ratings...

1. ADR v Edge: 4/5
2. Rhodes v Rey: 4.2/5
3. 8 Man Tag: 1/5
4. Orton v Punk: 4.5/5
5. Cole v King: 2/5
6. Taker v HHH: 5/5
7. 6 person tage: 3/5
8. Miz v Cena: 3/5

Rock 4.5/5

Overall I give this Mania an 8.2/10 which is very high for me.

[jackisback24]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20107/

[Rodey]

Edge winning really makes no sense to me at all, unless they continue the feud. Otherwise they built up Del Rio only to bury him.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Sucks for the WWE young talent. Sheamus and Daniel Bryan can't even make the actual PPV. The Corre, who holds the tag titles and IC belt, got squashed.

But hey.. in the end, The Rock looked great. Better hope he stays around full time.

I'd probably give the show a 6.5/10, maybe 7/10. Undertaker/Haitch bumped it up quite a bit.

[jackisback24]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20106/

[kittensXLI]

Talk about highway robbery : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LAaNUi5MTU&feature=player_embedded

The 8-man should have been scrapped over this. His match would've made this a top 5 WM for me, no question.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20107/

Wow, awesome moment. :thumbsup

[Speilmen230]

i am doing a Match by match, segment by segment review of mania while i watch the replay. probably will post after it is over.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20107/

Those two look like they have a Father/Son relationship.


Really touching moment. It's really cool that they caught it on film.

[ant_marching41]

anybody else who bought the PPV, did it start over for you?
It did. I'm pretty sure it plays again once more, and that's it.

I was surprised that I was able to DVR the ppv. This wont be leaving my DVR for some time.

Great Wrestlemania. I'll definitely agree that it was the best one since 19.

[hbktonyb]

I think Vince knows how much Shawn gave him, and really looks at him like the best in ring performer he ever had.

And Shawn appreciates Vince so much because of the opportunity that he gave him, and because Vince continued to push him back then when Shawn was a druggie nutcase.

[Speilmen230]

I think Vince knows how much Shawn gave him, and really looks at him like the best in ring performer he ever had.

And Shawn appreciates Vince so much because of the opportunity that he gave him, and because Vince continued to push him back then when Shawn was a druggie nutcase.

I mean just the comment shawn said of "thank you for putting up with me".

I really do think that Vince has a strong connection to his 3 biggest Attitude era stars. Austin, Shawn, & Hunter.

I really do believe that he will forever stay loyal to them and look at them like 3 sons.

[jackisback24]

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20106/

[hbktonyb]

Agreed, plus the fact that Haitch is his son...in-law. :lol

[jcomey]

I mean just the comment shawn said of "thank you for putting up with me".

I really do think that Vince has a strong connection to his 3 biggest Attitude era stars. Austin, Shawn, & Hunter.

I really do believe that he will forever stay loyal to them and look at them like 3 sons.

I'm also glad that he and Bret repaired their relationship.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1301865531

[Speilmen230]

Agreed, plus the fact that Haitch is his son...in-law. :lol

Well what i meant is that he really gives to those who gave to him.

Austin and HBK basically have lifetime contracts. they will never be broke.

[shoegal_97]

I have to say the only person who really gets me excited these days is Austin. I just love when his music comes on and that glass breaks, its so awesome. I really wish he could come back to wrestling.

[Speilmen230]

His body can't take it. He can do the occasional stunnerfest, but he can't take bumps any more. his body is just too broken down.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1301840608

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1301850007

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1301840608

If the entire Hall of Fame is included on the WM 27 DVD i may actually purchase it.

[kittensXLI]

So where does everyone go from here? Is Orton back in the title hunt with Cena moving to Rock? Not quite sure how ADR/Edge/Christian is going to end anytime soon. Undertaker isn't going to be around. Punk is a heel. It's like Orton/Miz has no choice. :(

[kittensXLI]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1301850007
:lol:lol Classic.

[jackisback24]

ADR will be a face soon.

[kittensXLI]

ADR will be a face soon.
I don't think he has it in him to be a face. Not yet, at least. His entire character and also his entire personality fits a heel greatly.

[jackisback24]

I thought Beiber was going to WM27?

[jcomey]

So where does everyone go from here? Is Orton back in the title hunt with Cena moving to Rock? Not quite sure how ADR/Edge/Christian is going to end anytime soon. Undertaker isn't going to be around. Punk is a heel. It's like Orton/Miz has no choice. :(

I don't think Rock would've bothered with Miz tonight if they weren't setting up that showdown. I really think Rock/Cena will be for the title at SS, with Rock being champ. That feud doesn't need the title, so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. But it seems like Rock/Miz/Cena coming up is likely, then moving to Rock/Cena.

After that, I have no idea. I didn't watch much before Rock came back, though I've read a bunch of recaps and stuff. Still, I'm not sure how things would settle.

[K3nTaKa0s]

People seem to think Cena is going to be a full blown heel. If you turn Cena heel, who steps up and becomes the top babyface?

[kittensXLI]

I thought Beiber was going to WM27?
He's the guest ring announcer for Undertaker/Sting.

I don't think Rock would've bothered with Miz tonight if they weren't setting up that showdown. I really think Rock/Cena will be for the title at SS, with Rock being champ. That feud doesn't need the title, so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. But it seems like Rock/Miz/Cena coming up is likely, then moving to Rock/Cena.

After that, I have no idea. I didn't watch much before Rock came back, though I've read a bunch of recaps and stuff. Still, I'm not sure how things would settle.
Rock/Miz would be fantastic. Rock isn't in in-ring shape yet, though. And I don't see the point of Miz dropping the belt to him, when as you said, Rock/Cena doesn't need a title. But Rock/Miz for the next month or two would be awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

People seem to think Cena is going to be a full blown heel. If you turn Cena heel, who steps up and becomes the top babyface?

For now? Rock.

[jackisback24]

when is the anonymous gm thing up?

[jcomey]

I guess rumors are now flying that Taker was taken to the hospital after the match, due to very low blood pressure. Everything is conjecture and speculation, but since the majority of this thread is conjecture and speculation, I think it's fair game for posting.

[dmbmuskie]

Is the Rock back, or is he going back to making movies?

[jcomey]

when is the anonymous gm thing up?

I would expect very soon; Cole being awarded the match will lead to him being found out as the GM.

If he's working with someone (a returning Jericho after DWTS)...that'd be interesting.

[BotheDMBFan]

I would expect very soon; Cole being awarded the match will lead to him being found out as the GM.

If he's working with someone (a returning Jericho after DWTS)...that'd be interesting.

To be fair, Cole was still on the walkway to the ring when the email came in, it couldn't have been him.

[Speilmen230]

For now? Rock.

QFT

:thumbsup

while rock is the top babyface you start grooming someone to take his place when he leaves after SS.

[jackisback24]

I thought Shane would be it. I think if Linda runs again they will keep the Macs out of angles. Maybe Kurt Angle will be the GM?

[jcomey]

Is the Rock back, or is he going back to making movies?

After the way he was booked tonight, he *has* to be back. There's no way they'd do tonight if there wasn't Rock/Cena in the works for either a June PPV or SummerSlam.

I still maintain that Rock/Miz/Cena is now the central feud; either Rock will take the title in a three-way match and set up SummerSlam Rock/Cena for the title, or (and this would be smarter), they'd give the rub to Miz, and feud without the belt. It'd be the most efficient...no need to tie up the belt with those two. Miz needs the belt more.

[kittensXLI]

It'll never get old to me, but the thought of Shane or Steph as GM would be phenomenal.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think this is the end of the Orton v Punk program. Too bad, they're amazing. ME for next year should be Punk v Orton for the top title.

[bradshaw06]

To be fair, Cole was still on the walkway to the ring when the email came in, it couldn't have been him.

idk what the commentators name is, but he started reading as soon as the laptop was opened. that 'message' had been sitting there since before the match.

[Speilmen230]

Orton needs to revamp his gimmick before i can get behind another title run by him.

[jcomey]

To be fair, Cole was still on the walkway to the ring when the email came in, it couldn't have been him.

I'd understand that; but that's why I added the loophole of Cole being in cahoots with someone.

I'd love for the GM to be anonymous for quite some time; really, who needs a GM with a face? This GM appears to be pretty unbiased, and can go heel and face pretty easily. An actual GM comes with a predisposition, and the fans have to take a side with him/her.

[jackisback24]

I think this is the end of the Orton v Punk program. Too bad, they're amazing. ME for next year should be Punk v Orton for the top title.
Punk will turn face when the Corre and Nexus turn on him with Wade back to lead heel.

[kittensXLI]

After the way he was booked tonight, he *has* to be back. There's no way they'd do tonight if there wasn't Rock/Cena in the works for either a June PPV or SummerSlam.

I still maintain that Rock/Miz/Cena is now the central feud; either Rock will take the title in a three-way match and set up SummerSlam Rock/Cena for the title, or (and this would be smarter), they'd give the rub to Miz, and feud without the belt. It'd be the most efficient...no need to tie up the belt with those two. Miz needs the belt more.
I think what a lot of idiots out there would think is that Miz getting the rub from Rock prior to a Rock/Cena SS ordeal would "devalue" Rock/Cena somehow. Which is total bs, but there are people who'd be under that impression.

[jcomey]

It'll never get old to me, but the thought of Shane or Steph as GM would be phenomenal.

I'm positive you know this, but Shane's no longer with the company; he's too busy in China with his broadband stuff. Steph would be a decent choice.

[kittensXLI]

I'm positive you know this, but Shane's no longer with the company; he's too busy in China with his broadband stuff. Steph would be a decent choice.
I know. But it'd be phenomenal.

[jackisback24]

If Taker was hurt legit it must have been interesting with Lay Cool going to the ring while he was coming down since he's married to McCool.

[kittensXLI]

Punk will turn face when the Corre and Nexus turn on him with Wade back to lead heel.
I think 3 guys are plenty for Wade to have under him. Especially with the IC title. Bringing back the new Nexus guys for him would be too much and too bad.

McGuillicutty needs repackaged, Harris sucks, Otunga sucks but at least could become opener or jobber quality. Mason Ryan shouldn't have been called up, can't talk, and is basically Batista.

[jcomey]

I think what a lot of idiots out there would think is that Miz getting the rub from Rock prior to a Rock/Cena SS ordeal would "devalue" Rock/Cena somehow. Which is total bs, but there are people who'd be under that impression.

I don't know. I think you could give him the Jericho rub; he beat Rock/Austin in one night...and picked up considerable heat as a result. Jericho had more heat than Miz has had at any point, but I'm seeing more people get into the Miz lately. In the ratings breakdowns, Miz finally gained viewers in more than one segment lately.

I think a three-way angle like that can be booked where Miz comes out looking stronger, but Rock/Cena doesn't lose a thing. If they're smart, they'll go for it. It's on their laps now, and the feud doesn't need the belt to be strong. But they can't risk turning Miz into Sheamus, or Jack Swagger; Miz has worked his ass off as a face of the company, taking a page from Cena's book. I don't see the WWE letting him go by the wayside now.

[kittensXLI]

I don't know. I think you could give him the Jericho rub; he beat Rock/Austin in one night...and picked up considerable heat as a result. Jericho had more heat than Miz has had at any point, but I'm seeing more people get into the Miz lately. In the ratings breakdowns, Miz finally gained viewers in more than one segment lately.

I think a three-way angle like that can be booked where Miz comes out looking stronger, but Rock/Cena doesn't lose a thing. If they're smart, they'll go for it. It's on their laps now, and the feud doesn't need the belt to be strong. But they can't risk turning Miz into Sheamus, or Jack Swagger; Miz has worked his ass off as a face of the company, taking a page from Cena's book. I don't see the WWE letting him go by the wayside now.
I agree. I'm just saying, there are idiots out there who believe Miz beating anyone is bs, be it Cena or Rock or both.

[jcomey]

I thought Shane would be it. I think if Linda runs again they will keep the Macs out of angles. Maybe Kurt Angle will be the GM?

The McMahons are out of the storylines now anyway; Vince is all but off-camera (this is why Cole is the way he is now), Linda's going to run again in 2012, Shane's no longer there, and Steph is running backstage with HHH.

[jcomey]

I agree. I'm just saying, there are idiots out there who believe Miz beating anyone is bs, be it Cena or Rock or both.

Of course, but who could blame them? Cena hasn't lost clean in years, and Rock is Rock. This is the fault of the WWE, and has been for a long time.

Tonight, for better or worse, was the proper booking, in my mind. It does bury Miz, but I think they recognize they can quickly regain that heat. Where it goes from here, though, will dictate the next year of the company.

[kittensXLI]

I'd give Miz the rub from Rock, and just have him tear through the title for the next year. If Cena doesn't face UT next year, he could always beat Miz this winter or next spring for the strap. Miz dropping the title to someone like Orton would be atrociously bad.

[jackisback24]

what if Cena is the GM to somehow turn him heel?

[Speilmen230]

Cena can turn heel without getting cheap heat from being the GM.

I think WHEN cena turns heel it will be like when Hogan turned heel except that it will be welcomed with open arms. He is long over due.

[bartender_man]

Overall was pretty good. Wish Rock would have ended up somehow winning the chip. That would have put it on the next level. Taker Game match was the best easy.

[kittensXLI]

Both of H's WM matches with Undertaker could very well be his two best matches of his career.

And he easily, easily, easily carried the entire match tonight. Ridiculous performance.

[Speilmen230]

HHH carried that match to MOTN and MOTY.

No other match will touch it this year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Both of H's WM matches with Undertaker could very well be his two best matches of his career.

And he easily, easily, easily carried the entire match tonight. Ridiculous performance.

Taker was great with his selling. but HHH gave the acting performance of a lifetime. When he yelled at Taker to Die just...chills.

[Speilmen230]

i think this is something everyone should see.

absolute lunacy

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/218-pro-wrestling-wwe/58688428

[kittensXLI]

i think this is something everyone should see.

absolute lunacy

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/218-pro-wrestling-wwe/58688428
Can't see it : http://www.gamefaqs.com/user/register.html?miss=1

[Speilmen230]

Worst Wrestlemania in the last 10 years?

PunkDrummah
Posted 4/4/2011 12:27:19 AM
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Worst Wrestlemania in the last 10 years.

And people thinking there was anything redeemable from the Taker/HHH match, you need to stop. It was a boring, trudging finisher-fest, and even the Hells Gate wasn't applied correctly. The only thing worth anything was the Cody Rhodes match.

Total throwaway PPV not worthy of the title of Wrestlemania. Vince owes me an apology.

[kittensXLI]

I said was going to stop, so I'll bite my tongue.

[K3nTaKa0s]

For the record, I am not PunkDrummah.

[Speilmen230]

I said was going to stop, so I'll bite my tongue.

For the record, I am not PunkDrummah.

:lol x 1000000

This made me laugh out loud

[comerelaxnow]

Great WM overall. The one problem i have with it is the Rock. The way he buried Miz after his win was just bullshit. If Miz was going to win he should have gotten over and The Rock took that from him. And for what?? So we can contiue to hear Rocks gimmick lines over and over again??

Im not a huge HHH fan but he finally learned how to not only wreslte but also have that storytelling that HBK was so great with. That final moment when Taker got up right before HHH did the Tombstone on him and that shot over to Taker....watch it again he has the same look and stance that Flair did right before HBK ended his career and when Taker kicked out...that was storytelling

[comerelaxnow]

Serioulsy what Rock did at the end...thats something Hogan would do and everybody would be on his ass for it.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Serioulsy what Rock did at the end...thats something Hogan would do and everybody would be on his ass for it.

That's exactly right.

[Speilmen230]

I will not have a problem with what the Rock did if it pays off in the end. I think he will end up putting cena over at SS.


I am reading that people are saying that Cena did not look like his normal self during his match. They said he looked upset the entire match, so i will be watching for that during the replay.

[hbktonyb]

It's not really Miz getting buried. Miz beat Cena, retained the title, then got beat up by somebody after his 20 minute match.

[kittensXLI]

It's not really Miz getting buried. Miz beat Cena, retained the title, then got beat up by somebody after his 20 minute match.
Dude, getting beat up by The Rock after you retain your title at a PPV is clearly equivalent to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, RVD, Bubba Ray Dudley, and Jeff Jarrett all being pushed over you. Get with it.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Predictions on the Raw rating tomorrow night?

I'll go with 3.8 again.

[Speilmen230]

4.0. A lot of people tune in to find out what happened and plus you have the HOF and TE ushering it in and out.

[BotheDMBFan]

4.2 rating, Alex.

[K3nTaKa0s]

NCAA National Championship game tomorrow night.

[Speilmen230]

...and?

i doubt this effects the ratings much.

[K3nTaKa0s]

...and?

i doubt this effects the ratings much.

Just thought I'd remind people. Sorry.

[Speilmen230]

if anyone has been watching espn or cbs as of late i am sure they are well informed that it is tomorrow night.

[comerelaxnow]

Rumors going around that Cena was struggling tonight from a small concussion he got earlier last week. I believe it...he looked way off tonight.

[comerelaxnow]

I can't wait to read an update for Taker. I wonder if he was really hurt or if it was just wrasslin

[K3nTaKa0s]

Kurt Angle talks Mania, mad they use his moves


1.Jerry Lawlor did it too. But He is a Legend. WWE really stuck it to Me.No Love lost. I'm glad that I helped Your biggest Event of the Year:) less than a minute ago via txt

2.Why would WWE use my finishes? Is it because I won't go back? R Orton- Angle Slam. M Cole- Ankle Lock? They have some nerve. 5 minutes ago via txt

3.Kurt Angle will never die. TNA. WWE. I'm a leader. Not follower. :) 22 minutes ago via txt

4.I guess Swagger will use my Ankle Lock as well.Very creative. I'm the Best in the World. You Guys will never be Kurt Angle.can I get an AMEN 24 minutes ago via txt

5.I heard Orton had an Awesome match though. Ur welcome. Lol. 32 minutes ago via txt

6.To WWE wrestlers, Don't use my Finish. Get more Creative. Hmmmm- Orton. Did I say that? 34 minutes ago via txt

Source: F4Wonline

[comerelaxnow]

Dude, getting beat up by The Rock after you retain your title at a PPV is clearly equivalent to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, RVD, Bubba Ray Dudley, and Jeff Jarrett all being pushed over you. Get with it.

It is....unless Rock actually sticks around and puts Miz over later. Otherwise who gives a shit

[Speilmen230]

if taker wasn't legit hurt, that was by far one of the best sell jobs i have ever witnessed. he sold the shit out of that match.

[comerelaxnow]

if taker wasn't legit hurt, that was by far one of the best sell jobs i have ever witnessed. he sold the shit out of that match.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Awesome match. Can't wait to watch it back.

[Speilmen230]

This is my segment by segment, match by match review

Rock's opening promo 5/5

Wrestlemania 27 Opening Video/Pyro 5/5

Alberto Del Rio vs Edge 4/5
Although it was a quick match (for a title) it was an awesome opener and set the tone. The post match dismantling of the car was awesome too. Really drove home the Anti-Hero angle that Edge likes to portray.

Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes 4.3/5
I was Rhodes ignorant before this match, and I must say I am not now. He has quite the ability. Rey really stepped up his game too.

Snoop Segment 1/5
God awful in everyway. Only positive was Rowdy Roddy Piper.

8 man Tag 2/5
Completely buried the Corre, who have the Tag Titles and the Intercontinental Title, really dumb in my opinion

Rock/Eve/Mae/Austin segment 4/5
The Austin/Rock staredown was pretty awesome.

Orton vs CM Punk 4.4/5
Not nearly as good as HHH/Taker but better than Rhodes/Rey.

Mean Gene/Rock/PeeWee Herman Segment 3/5
Mildly entertaining. Nothing more nothing less.

Hall Of Fame Inductees 5/5
Awesome to see all these guys minus Drew Carey.

King vs Cole 3/5
A lot better than what I was expecting, but it went about 5 minutes too long.

Triple H vs The Undertaker 5/5
This match absolutely destroyed every pre-conceived idea I had going into it. It was one of the best matches of HHH’s career and certainly top 10 for Undertaker. The buildup for the match was rushed and not good, but they delivered just like they did at X-Seven. HHH proved that he is one of the best ring generals of the last 20 years. He carried the match to a MOTY candidate. I may buy the WM 27 DVD just for this match. IMO this match should have been the Main Event. Undertaker did the best sell job of his career.

Taker’s best WM Matches
1. HBK 1
2. HHH 2
3. HBK 2
4. HHH 1

6 person mixed tag match 2/5
It did its job to give the crowd a chance to unwind after the HHH/Taker match

Cena vs The Miz 3/5
This match had the ability to be really really good, but it just fell flat. Ref should have gotten knocked out, then rock runs out and delivers a Rock Bottom to cena, then wakes up the ref and tell him to count. But instead they did a really lame count out. After the HHH/Taker match the count-out after the bump to the outside came off weak.

Overall I give it a 3.7/5
If the main event would have been better I would have given it a 4 but it lacked so I knocked off the .3

[GrooGrux420]

Hammered. Great night. Raised a lot. Review tomorrow. HHH mark now.

[kittensXLI]

opening promo - 2/10 = Rather pointless. Danielson/Sheamus could've excited the crowd more than this segment did.
video/pyro - 5/10 = Whatever, it's just pyro.
ADR/Edge - 8/10 = Very good match, okay post-match. Didn't like the outcome, but I guess it means the feud continues. So not too bad. Brodus Clay is an abortion.
Mysterio/Rhodes - 8.5/10 = MOTN aside from H/UT. Rhodes was fantastic and carried a great match.
Snoop Dogg segment - 1/10 = 100% waste of time. 0 entertainment provided also.
8-Man Tag - 1/10 = Atrocity. Complete bust.
Rock segment 2 - 5/10 = Probably better than a 5 actually. Rock didn't over-act, which was great. Mae was classic and fitting, Eve was okay, Austin was vintage. Good spot.
Orton/Punk - 7.5/10 = Very good, could've been better if they didn't cut parts for time constraints. Orton bores me, and Punk should've gotten the rub, but the match was good.
Rock segment 3 - 0/10 = Complete bust. Waste of time. 0 entertainment provided.
HOF segment 3/10 = Whatever, it's the HOF. Nothing more or less.
King/Cole - 6/10 = Better than ever imaginable. Went on too long, but wasn't THAT bad.
H/Undertaker - 9/10 = H had one of the best matches of his career. Seriously.
6-Person Tag - 6/10 = Better than imagined, but short, and a dumb celeb spot. Oh, and dumb usage of both Morrison and Ziggler. Whatever.
Cena/Miz - 7/10 = Miz carried Cena. Cena still can't have a good WM match, minus the one w/ HBK. Cena also looked real out of it. Countout was dumb, but they were trying something different than the typical ref spot. Miz retained, that's all that matters. Also got a Rock Bottom and People's Elbow out of it. I'm happy across the board.

Overall, probably 7/10, at least from a matches-only standpoint. H/UT was WM-caliber, couple great matches, a few good matches, and just one true bomb. Best WM since WM19, no question. Very good PPV in general too.

[BotheDMBFan]

Kurt Angle talks Mania, mad they use his moves


1.Jerry Lawlor did it too. But He is a Legend. WWE really stuck it to Me.No Love lost. I'm glad that I helped Your biggest Event of the Year:) less than a minute ago via txt

2.Why would WWE use my finishes? Is it because I won't go back? R Orton- Angle Slam. M Cole- Ankle Lock? They have some nerve. 5 minutes ago via txt

3.Kurt Angle will never die. TNA. WWE. I'm a leader. Not follower. :) 22 minutes ago via txt

4.I guess Swagger will use my Ankle Lock as well.Very creative. I'm the Best in the World. You Guys will never be Kurt Angle.can I get an AMEN 24 minutes ago via txt

5.I heard Orton had an Awesome match though. Ur welcome. Lol. 32 minutes ago via txt

6.To WWE wrestlers, Don't use my Finish. Get more Creative. Hmmmm- Orton. Did I say that? 34 minutes ago via txt

Source: F4Wonline

He is aware that both moves, the ankle lock especially, have been used long before Kurt sucked air...right?

[Crush086]

I didn't watch it last night, but the Rock burying both Cena and Miz (kinda) made my day.

[BotheDMBFan]

I didn't watch it last night, but the Rock burying both Cena and Miz (kinda) made my day.

Why? That was a terrible play.

[Crush086]

Why? That was a terrible play.
John Cena will be the face of the company regardless. A win, loss, countout, DQ, whatever. Come tomorrow, when his music hits, the children and women will still be cheering for him.

Miz kept his title. From what I hear he put up a hell of a match against Cena, and even kicked out of the AA, which is quite the rare feat. Regardless of what happened after the match, he was put over quite well considering he's still champ.

The Rock returned was partly nostalgic, but also to satisfy some of the older crowd who actually know who is/was. Having him do anything but come out on top at the show he guest hosted would have been wrong.

And besides, Rock and Cena will both be there tonight, so now maybe we get to see a Cena/Rock storyline.

[BotheDMBFan]

He should have won the title, is what I'm saying.

[hbktonyb]

John Cena will be the face of the company regardless. A win, loss, countout, DQ, whatever. Come tomorrow, when his music hits, the children and women will still be cheering for him.

Miz kept his title. From what I hear he put up a hell of a match against Cena, and even kicked out of the AA, which is quite the rare feat. Regardless of what happened after the match, he was put over quite well considering he's still champ.

The Rock returned was partly nostalgic, but also to satisfy some of the older crowd who actually know who is/was. Having him do anything but come out on top at the show he guest hosted would have been wrong.

And besides, Rock and Cena will both be there tonight, so now maybe we get to see a Cena/Rock storyline.

This times 1,000,000. I don't get why people don't understand this. Cena is at the point where he can't be buried, and Miz became the second heel in WWE history to win a final championship match at Mania.

[BotheDMBFan]

This times 1,000,000. I don't get why people don't understand this. Cena is at the point where he can't be buried, and Miz became the second heel in WWE history to win a final championship match at Mania.

And yet, Miz looks even weaker.

[hbktonyb]

I don't think he looks weaker at all. He got beat up by a WWE legend after retaining the title against WWE's biggest star. How does this "bury" him?

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think he looks weaker at all. He got beat up by a WWE legend after retaining the title against WWE's biggest star. How does this "bury" him?

I can't remember a single offensive move he got in on Cena. Miz can't beat anyone on his own, at all. The fact that he needed Rock to help him win makes him look worse.

[hbktonyb]

Well he fought Cena to a draw. Better than most heel's fate at 'Mania. Other than Haitch in 2000 (who got buried by the Rock after the match), every other heel lost. He had a bunch of offensive moves on Cena.

Miz, IMO, comes out 1,000,000X stronger than he was.

[BotheDMBFan]

Well he fought Cena to a draw. Better than most heel's fate at 'Mania. Other than Haitch in 2000 (who got buried by the Rock after the match), every other heel lost. He had a bunch of offensive moves on Cena.

Miz, IMO, comes out 1,000,000X stronger than he was.

No, Cena beat him into a draw. There's a huge difference. Cena fought, Miz got a red-ass beat down.

[Crush086]

No, Cena beat him into a draw. There's a huge difference. Cena fought, Miz got a red-ass beat down.
Now, I'll say again that I didn't see the match, but seeing how Miz's persona is, it'd be great for him to come out tonight and talk about how he defied all odds, Cena and The Rock couldn't beat him, and he's better than them both etc. etc.

And let's be honest, John Cena is not the guy you want to go against for a 5 star match lol

[davidhamrick10]

I'm not going to recap the whole show but the only matches that stood out to me were the Rey/Cody match and the HHH/Taker match.

I guess the ADR/Edge match would be right behind that.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm not going to recap the whole show but the only matches that stood out to me were the Rey/Cody match and the HHH/Taker match.

I guess the ADR/Edge match would be right behind that.

Orton v Punk was the second best match of the night.

[Rodey]

Kurt Angle talks Mania, mad they use his moves


1.Jerry Lawlor did it too. But He is a Legend. WWE really stuck it to Me.No Love lost. I'm glad that I helped Your biggest Event of the Year:) less than a minute ago via txt

2.Why would WWE use my finishes? Is it because I won't go back? R Orton- Angle Slam. M Cole- Ankle Lock? They have some nerve. 5 minutes ago via txt

3.Kurt Angle will never die. TNA. WWE. I'm a leader. Not follower. :) 22 minutes ago via txt

4.I guess Swagger will use my Ankle Lock as well.Very creative. I'm the Best in the World. You Guys will never be Kurt Angle.can I get an AMEN 24 minutes ago via txt

5.I heard Orton had an Awesome match though. Ur welcome. Lol. 32 minutes ago via txt

6.To WWE wrestlers, Don't use my Finish. Get more Creative. Hmmmm- Orton. Did I say that? 34 minutes ago via txt

Source: F4Wonline

So Kurt thinks he invented the ankle lock now?

[gocubsgo3822]

disagree with you on the miz bosef

[Rodey]

I fail to see how Miz got buried? What were you all expecting, Rock to do nothing?

I think it was pretty clear he was going to kick Cena's ass and Miz's ass regardless.