Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[BotheDMBFan]

I fail to see how Miz got buried? What were you all expecting, Rock to do nothing?

I think it was pretty clear he was going to kick Cena's ass and Miz's ass regardless.

I don't even care that he beat down Miz afterwards, that's fine. But Miz did practically nothing the entire match.

I'm not even totally saying they got buried, just that it was incredibly terrible finish.

[gocubsgo3822]

I fail to see how Miz got buried? What were you all expecting, Rock to do nothing?

I think it was pretty clear he was going to kick Cena's ass and Miz's ass regardless.

this. if miz got rock bottomed for cena to win and then the rock lifted cenas hand (my worst fear) miz would be buried

[gonz085]

No offense, b/c I'm really JUST getting back into wrestling, but I never thought that whole situation where Rock would put Cena over was even imaginable. Even if the WWE wanted it to happen, I don't think Rock would ever let that clown be seen as something great. Rock wouldn't have come back for that.

[Richard Belding]

@TheRock
Dwayne Johnson
TEAM BRING IT - I have a very special announcement tonight on RAW...The People's Champ to The People...
4 minutes ago via web

[hbktonyb]

No offense, b/c I'm really JUST getting back into wrestling, but I never thought that whole situation where Rock would put Cena over was even imaginable. Even if the WWE wanted it to happen, I don't think Rock would ever let that clown be seen as something great. Rock wouldn't have come back for that.

When they finally have a match, Rock puts him over...

[gonz085]

When they finally have a match, Rock puts him over...

I would much rather have the Rock beat him, and bury him, then face Miz and put Miz over for good. I didn't like Miz much at first, but he's one of the last hopes of a real superstar sans the rock or any of the older guys who have been around. I like that Morrison dude too. He's got the look. Not sure how people don't know how to use a microphone, but they should teach them.

[hbktonyb]

Agree with you on Miz/Morrison. My 2 favorite 'newer' guys in the 'E right now.

[Speilmen230]

I would much rather have the Rock beat him, and bury him, then face Miz and put Miz over for good. I didn't like Miz much at first, but he's one of the last hopes of a real superstar sans the rock or any of the older guys who have been around. I like that Morrison dude too. He's got the look. Not sure how people don't know how to use a microphone, but they should teach them.

you need to be introduced to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzwhAYy5hA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA1ovibC_zs

[keithcoldroses]

you need to be introduced to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzwhAYy5hA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA1ovibC_zs

:thumbsup I think Punk is the best newer guy mic-wise and a GREAT heel.

[Speilmen230]

Punk IMO is the next great Wrestling Villain. he can do it all. he can hang with the big boys, he can get technical, he can be high risk. he is a one of a kind on the mic, and he has an extremely unique look.

Charisma: check
In-ring Ability: check
Mic Skills: check
Look: Check
Face/Heel capabilities: check

he has got all the bases covered and as an added bonus you know he is never going to get in trouble for HGH, Drugs, or Alcohol.

[kittensXLI]

Anyone who thinks Miz did nothing last night is blind. The ONLY person in WM history to have an even remotely good match with Cena is HBK. Cena can't freaking wrestle. Miz carried him the entire night. Last time I checked, most heels do not win cleanly, aside from the monsters and people like H. I have zero problem with Miz winning after a Rock Bottom to Cena. What in the world did people think was going to happen? The Rock just do nothing? That's your own fault if so.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Nothing like an over-booked main event for the biggest show in the business. I thought Elimination Chamber was better than Wrestlemania.

[Speilmen230]

Nothing like an over-booked main event for the biggest show in the business. I thought Elimination Chamber was better than Wrestlemania.

Agree to the bolded. They should have stuck to the classic, run-in with ref knocked out finished. it works much much better,

Disagree Strongly to the Underlined. Elimination chamber was ok at best. This Wrestlemania was nearly a 4 star event on the WM scale.

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol:lol

count-out
Rock appearance
restart match
pinfall

omg booking

[K3nTaKa0s]

[/U]
Disagree Strongly to the Underlined. Elimination chamber was ok at best. This Wrestlemania was nearly a 4 star event on the WM scale.

One match lived up to being Wrestlemania worthy. Some of the ratings for the matches really make me shake my head.

Sheamus/Bryan really should've made the card. Had to make room for all of the video packages, Pee Wee Herman, and Snoop Dogg, though.

[Rodey]

Punk IMO is the next great Wrestling Villain. he can do it all. he can hang with the big boys, he can get technical, he can be high risk. he is a one of a kind on the mic, and he has an extremely unique look.

Charisma: check
In-ring Ability: check
Mic Skills: check
Look: Check
Face/Heel capabilities: check

he has got all the bases covered and as an added bonus you know he is never going to get in trouble for HGH, Drugs, or Alcohol.

Punk is awesome. Best guy they have right now.

[davidhamrick10]

Orton v Punk was the second best match of the night.
I totally forgot about that match, i would put it in just above the Cody/Rey match

[kittensXLI]

Punk IMO is the next great Wrestling Villain. he can do it all. he can hang with the big boys, he can get technical, he can be high risk. he is a one of a kind on the mic, and he has an extremely unique look.

Charisma: check
In-ring Ability: check
Mic Skills: check
Look: Check
Face/Heel capabilities: check

he has got all the bases covered and as an added bonus you know he is never going to get in trouble for HGH, Drugs, or Alcohol.
Someone needs to lay off EWR.

[davidhamrick10]

Could anybody figure out what Cena and Miz were trying to do when they had that HUGE botch during the middle of the match?

It looked to me that Miz was expecting a reversal to the irish whip but after that I just don't know what happened

[kittensXLI]

It looked like something was wrong with Cena from the get go.

[hbktonyb]

Miz's robe last night was sick, by the way.

[jcomey]

It looked like something was wrong with Cena from the get go.

Reports are that he's still suffering from a concussion suffered recently.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/56740/video-shawn-michaels-watches-triple-h-vs-undertaker-as-it-happens.html?p=1

HBK watches Taker/Haitch.

[JacobLovesYou]

my wrestlemania thoughts:

- sheamus v daniel bryan should've made the card and it is a damn shame it didn't. it got multiple pushes on RAW. this match not making it is further evidence of how bad WWE has fucked up the belts and the importance of belts.

- edge v. del rio was a great match and i liked the car vandalism at the end. i really wanted del rio to win this, but with it being the first match of the show, i knew there was ZERO chance. del rio's push has been very fast though, so hopefully they keep going with the edge/christian/del rio thing and del rio can win the title at summerslam.

- cody rhodes v. captain mysterio was a great match and i'm glad as hell they gave cody rhodes the win.

- the 8 man tag match was terrible. this was a perfect point for a great traditional tag team match with the top 2 teams in the tag division. unfortuneately, if there is one thing that WWE has let fall into worse disrepair then title importance, it's the tag division.

- orton v. punk was great. i'll be sad to see their feud die down. orton has a ton of heat from the crowd these days, but punk is really the star. he's a great old school heel and reminds me a ton of ric flair at moments. escaping the RKO last night and sitting on the apron laughing... great stuff.

- cole v. lawler paid off a hell of a lot better then hart v. mcmahon last year. i think for the most part the quality was what to be expected. i didn't mind that cole won by DQ but i do mind that stone cold has turned into a parody of himself. i understand the guy can't wrestle anymore but last night you got a terrible feeling watching him "referee" that was "so this is where steve austin is at now, eh?" they did a good job making the rock's comeback look completely removed from fast five, whereas the steve austin thing seemed like a desperate grab for more buys and a push for tough enough.

- about a third of the way through the taker/HHH match, a huge thunderstorm (huge hail, big winds, the works) came and we lost the dish signal. it came back as they were loading taker onto the stretcher at the end. i woke up in the middle of the night just in time to watch the part i missed during the replay. this was really great stuff from two veterans. it sounds so lame to say, but the two should be damned proud of themselves. besides the obvious stuff they put their bodies through last night, it has to be damn hard to not have the match devolve into the feeling of "oh these poor old bastards killing each other is kind of sad to watch..." they did a great job, easily had the best match of the night, and i'm starting to hope undertaker retires undefeated at WM. there is no up and comer that deserves the kind of push beating him would bring. he should retire undefeated and they should build that clout up for decades as the greatest record in wrestling history.

- the satellite signal came back just in time for.... snooki-mania! everything about this match was an abortion. they had to have a downer match after taker/HHH, but i'm just hard pressed to believe that this one had to be it. if they put sheamus v. daniel bryan here, it could've been a nice, quick, athletic match that served the same pacing purpose as snooki-mania did. it also could've made the US Championship seem important.

- Miz v. Cena was a let down. nothing about the match really brought it. Miz did great and i was happy as hell to see him leave the champion. i loved the heelish, dazed, cross eyed look on his face when he got his hand raised, like he thought he did it by himself. a big glaring problem i had with this match was that they had the rock come down and announce that WM was not over, only for it to end literally 90 sec later. i don't have a problem with the count out/restart, but the match should've lasted several more minutes until rock interfered. lastly, if all they were going to have the rock do was rock bottom cena and rock bottom/people's elbow miz, then they should'nt have had him rock bottom and give the people's elbow to alex riley (pretty sure it was him, not miz) last week on RAW. when rock gave miz the people's elbow last night all i could think of was "yeah i saw him do this 6 days ago"... however, if last night was the first rock bottom/people's elbow he'd done in 7 years, it would've felt important and i would've been psyched to watch the rock in action.

[Speilmen230]

Someone needs to lay off EWR.

Do you disagree with anything that i said? He really is the total package.

He is my current favorite active guy in 'E. He is great in the ring and has tons of charisma. there are literally no negatives to him other than he needs to be in the WWE Title picture.

[shoegal_97]

my wrestlemania thoughts:


- cole v. lawler paid off a hell of a lot better then hart v. mcmahon last year. i think for the most part the quality was what to be expected. i didn't mind that cole won by DQ but i do mind that stone cold has turned into a parody of himself. i understand the guy can't wrestle anymore but last night you got a terrible feeling watching him "referee" that was "so this is where steve austin is at now, eh?" they did a good job making the rock's comeback look completely removed from fast five, whereas the steve austin thing seemed like a desperate grab for more buys and a push for tough enough.



I was wondering how that turned out, sounds disappointing because I love Stone Cold. I'll have to watch Raw tonite for sure to see how it all turned out, wasn't able to watch Wrestlemania this year :(

[JacobLovesYou]

oh, and rock's promo to open was great, the snoop thing was retarded, and the may young/stone cold thing was good but could've been so much better. stone cold should've handed him a beer or something. the only other problem i had as far as "misc" goes is that the rock was "THE HOST" of wrestlemania, so he should've involved himself one more time in front of the audience inbetween the opening and the end. like he should've sat in on commentating during rey/rhodes and distracted the ref for a second or something while rey took off cody rhodes mask... or something along those lines, i'm just throwing that out there.

[JacobLovesYou]

I was wondering how that turned out, sounds disappointing because I love Stone Cold. I'll have to watch Raw tonite for sure to see how it all turned out, wasn't able to watch Wrestlemania this year :(

well it wasn't the worst thing i've ever seen a wrestler do, but there was just nothing important about stone cold being there. he drove down the ramp in a 4 wheeler which was sweet, but generally speaking, it all felt promotional and unimportant. even hosting tough enough seems like they're devaluing his character.

[Speilmen230]

The ONLY person i would give the streak ender to at this point is CM Punk. He is 30 years old, a proven team player, a proven draw, and it would catapult him into stardom. And if they built it correctly it could turn him into the biggest baddest best heel in since HHH in 2000.

[Speilmen230]

well it wasn't the worst thing i've ever seen a wrestler do, but there was just nothing important about stone cold being there. he drove down the ramp in a 4 wheeler which was sweet, but generally speaking, it all felt promotional and unimportant. even hosting tough enough seems like they're devaluing his character.

The one think i know about Austin is that he has a burning love for the business and any chance that Vince tosses him to get involved in the action he takes it. I don't fault him for having a love for the business. it isn't like he gets in there and stinks the joint up and bleeds all over the place to make up for it like Hogan or Flair.

[kittensXLI]

After posting several tweets last night lashing out at WWE wrestlers who used some his moves including the Angle Slam and the Ankle Lock, Kurt Angle posted the following today claiming his account was hacked:

"To anyone I upset, I am sorry. I didn't watch W-mania last night. I DID get a lot of tweets during Show. About Orton, Swagger,etc.Who cares?"

"I think the whole thing is Halarious. How I upset all of U amazes me.I don't read dirt sheets,but u heard they r upset.They're 'dirt' sheets."

"I Hope that W-mania was entertaining for all of You, especially 'The Rock'. Oh, and Orton-relax, I won't beat ur ass. You can use my move:)."

"2 Randy Orton's credit, I Heard He had the best match of the night. Good for You! Btw,I Never used Shamrock's finish while he still wrestled."

"There's a big difference to using a Finish somebody did b4 U, and is doing while U still Wrestle. The fact is, I don't care. Sorry everybody."

"Lastly,I just found out somebody hacked into my Twitter account.Most of those tweets weren't from me.I just found out today. I will find out."

"Who would do this? I don't know why somebody would pretend to be me. I apologize for the remarks. I'm not a twitter guy so I rarely use it."

"On a side note,Randy and I discussed the Angle Slam.I am happy Orton used my Finish.As he put it,imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

"Good Luck Randy. Thank You for reaching out to me!!!"

"Remember that Wrestlemania is an Event bigger than all of us. If You enjoyed it, great. That's most important. Social networking is a Bitch."
source : WZ.com

[GrooGrux420]

Alright after waking up at noon, I've decided to throw in my Wrestlemania review.

Rock's opening promo **** 1/2*

I had to re-watch this. I originally heard only about a quarter of his promo due to being in a loud room with 50+ people and following along with the drinking game. Upon second viewing, it was much better than originally viewed. Almost no one can cut a promo like him.

Wrestlemania 27 Opening Video/Pyro *****
It's WM, the pyro is always great.

Alberto Del Rio vs Edge ****
17 minutes in and we finally get to see some action. We were all surprised to see it on this early. Figured it made perfect sense to have Edge lose the belt and set the tone for the show early, of course I was wrong (when was the last time WWE used this type of logic *slaps self*).

Liked that Christian got his own entrance. Great all around match, with both getting in some great offense moves. Loved the finishing. It had great timing I thought, and was booked correctly. The destroying of the car was good and added insult to injury. Another note, why do all weapons in the WWE need to be black? A black metal pipe? It looks fake even though you know it isn't.

I hope this feud continues and either Christian gets involved and/or Del Rio wins the belt at Over the Limit.

May I add, I like Brodus Clay. There is a few things Wrestling (or should I say Entertainment?) has lost and one of those is a nasty looking bruiser. It works well for him. Some one also said he looked like Bowser from Super Mario. :lol.

Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes **** 1/2*
I had a lot of people ask me who this Rhodes guy was. Even from people that watched WM last year and remembered the Legacy triangle match. :lol

He won over a lot of people with this match. I am one of them. I give Rey credit for hand picking him. I'm not sure if they booked it to where Rhodes was to carry him to make him look that much better, but it worked perfectly. I wish he would have removed Rey's masked as promised, because that Captain America outfit was horrendous and I'm a HUGE CA fan. You're playing to the Mexican nationals and you were the red/white and blue? Really?

Snoop Segment ***

I know I'm going to get heat for this BUT, the segment was somewhat enjoyable. I guess the people around us, made it work. We Will Rock You was horrifically bad, but Piper coming out saved it. Hornswoggle's rap... :banned

Note: When I rewatched the show, I skipped through it because I knew upon second viewing it wouldn't have worked.

8 man Tag ** 1/2*

Where do I begin with this? Better question, Where does the Corre go from here?

I expected a squash match somewhere on this card, because there always is and heard the dirt sheets talk about being crunched for time. I would have liked to seen the Corre get more offense in. The few spots in there worked for what the match was...cheap face-team pop. And for that, it worked. Even our crowd popped for Santino's Cobra (he is beyond over). None of it made sense however.

Rock/Eve/Mae/Austin segment ****
Who doesn't want the People's Struddle? n/h

Orton vs CM Punk *** 3/4*

It was good, but just didn't fully deliver. I read afterwards they were crunched for time and Orton was pissed backstage because of it. Re-watched and again it didn't fully deliver. I don't see what adding even another 5 minutes would have done to further the story development. Again, for what they had to worth it, it worked I suppose. Just the payoff seemed, underwhelming. I don't know why, but it just felt that way. Would love to see this feud continue at a later time (maybe another 2 years?).

Mean Gene/Rock/PeeWee Herman Segment *** 1/2

Segment got the crowd back into it. Pee Wee, was Pee Wee, and Mean Gene is great playing bit roles (like last year). It's hard to keep people's attention for 4 hours and this got enough people's attention for what came next really got everyone back into it...

Hall Of Fame Inductees *****

Ah yes. We had some really loud HBK chants going before even Abby got introduced. Great stuff.

King vs Cole *** 1/2

This is one of those matches, where hearing the commentary again (I could barely hear any commentary the first around), really set up everything. Swagger's facial expression when SC's music hit was priceless. Cole running into the Cole Mine, was just a weasel thing to do it worked. Cole extending his hand out, and getting slammed against the plexi-glass, brought the :lolz (Cole's face against the glass, was close to becoming my new avatar :lol). Look it was better than the other cheap retribution feuds like Hart/Vince last year. Everyone knew what was going to happen, and that King was going to have to carry the match. So what more could you have wanted? Oh I know. A non-bullshit finish. I guess for future storyline sake, you couldn't pass up the opportunity of associating Cole with the GM (i.e. GM is working in cahoots with him etc.) As for Stone Cold's involvement, like the rest of the match, it went exactly how I expected.

The payoff delivered, but didn't care for the stunners on Booker T, and Matthews. It seemed like just a cheap pop and to get them out behind the announce booth. However, I got to see the Spin-a-rooni and 2 more Stunners (the cheap popped worked).


Triple H vs The Undertaker *****

Since I stole Speilmen's outline, I am going to steal this match review:

"This match absolutely destroyed every pre-conceived idea I had going into it.

It was one of the best matches of HHH’s career and certainly top 10 for Undertaker. The buildup for the match was rushed and not good, but they delivered just like they did at X-Seven. HHH proved that he is one of the best ring generals of the last 20 years. He carried the match to a MOTY candidate. I may buy the WM 27 DVD just for this match. IMO this match should have been the Main Event. Undertaker did the best sell job of his career."

It was well paced, it was spot filled, but done right. Nothing really felt "set-up". Hell we even got a head chair shot! I can't find a gripe.

Taker was beat to shit going into the match, and coming out of the match he looked beat to shit and that was probably the greatest sell job ever.

6 person mixed tag match *** 1/2*

I don't rate this as a wrestling match, but more as a comedy segment. For what it was, it worked. Snooki surprised me with that tub of lard, cartwheel or whatever you want to call it. Trish still has some ring trust, but could out-match most of the current Divas (don't know if that's saying much though). Morrison's Starship Pain to the outside, was his one and only highlight, meh. Again, I knew this wouldn't be a match going into it, even with Morrison and Ziggler being in it. It was just a well done segment.

The Miz's video segment *****

Normally I don't care to rate video segments, but Miz's segment was f*cking AWESOME. I loved it. I really felt WWE was putting him over with that segment.

John Cena's video segment ****

I don't know if it was deliberate, but I had a feeling of nervousness in the pit of my stomach of Cena winning after all that Hustle Respect Loyalty bullsh*t the E shoves down our throats. Even with The Rock somehow involving himself. I just didn't see the match ending any other way.

Cena vs. The Miz

I though this match would be as good as last year's Cena vs. Batista match. Nothing great, but solid and better than I had hoped. Sadly it was below that. Cena looked even worse then normal, even the Cena fans in the place we're asking what's wrong with Cena. I later found out he was recovering from a concussion supposedly, but he just looked out. The Miz kicking out of the AA was great, as was getting out of the STF. I though The Miz looked great, or as good as he could look to a concussed Cena. I didn't like the whole knocking down the ref, and having Cena pin Miz for an unofficial 3. Cena can't lose even in a double count-out. Could Wrestlemania really end in a double count out? Really? Really?!? It was an queasy feeling. Such undercard to finish with this shit?

I didn't care for the restart either. Everyone knew The Rock was going to get involved but, it just felt. I don't know, it just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth except for the fact, The Rock will now definitely have to have a match at some point in the future.

Miz didn't look weak, if anything it brought down everyone's stock in my eyes. Cena looked horrible in all aspects, and booking the unofficial 3 count in a double count-out is pathetic. Just goes to show you how much WWE wants to keep Cena over. Even when he clearly looked gawd awful in the ring. They could have handled The Rock getting involved better, have Rock run down the ramp and bump the ref outside or something. Classic all too predictable swerve, but sometimes thats what you need to get things down. It's Classic for a reason. The Rock shouldn't have to restart a match, just to Layth the Smackdown on someone's Candy Ass.

In any case, Miz won. End of story, he won and kept the belt walking out of Wrestlemania, even if he has to get Rock Bottomed and People Elbowed.

Overall I give it a ****
I give it a 4, because it was solid from start to finish for the most part and considering its now "Entertainment" the wrestling matches for the most part delivered, and few even exceeded all exceptions.

[Speilmen230]

Awesome review. Really enjoyed reading it, especially my cameo quote. :lol

[Speilmen230]

who's tuning in for the HOF tonight?

[GrooGrux420]

Awesome review. Really enjoyed reading it, especially my cameo quote. :lol

Thanks, I should have re-read my Cena vs. Miz review, because I didn't even give it a star rating, and has a shitload of grammar errors. :lol

[GrooGrux420]

Alright here is the re-edit of the Cena vs. The Miz review:

Cena vs. The Miz ** 1/2*

I thought this match would be as good as last year's Cena vs. Batista match. Nothing great, but solid and above my exceptions. Unfortunately, it didn't. Cena looked even worse then normal, even his fans at our viewing were asking what's wrong with him. I later found out he was recovering from a concussion supposedly. The Miz kicking out of the AA was great, as was getting out of the STF. The Miz looked great, or as good as he could look to a concussed John "I Can Never Lose Cleanly" Cena. I didn't like knocking down the ref, and having Cena pin Miz for an unofficial 3 count.

Cena can't lose even in a double count-out!

Could Wrestlemania end in a double count out? Really? Really?!? It was a queasy stomach feeling moment for sure. Such a great undercard to finish with this shit?

Then we get a shitty restart. Everyone knew The Rock was going to get involved but, it just felt, I don't know, it just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth except for the fact, The Rock will now definitely have a match at some point in the future.

Coming out of this The Miz didn't look weak, if anything it brought down everyone's stock in my eyes. Cena looked horrible in all aspects, and booking the unofficial 3 count in a double count-out is pathetic. Just goes to show you how much WWE wants to keep Cena over, shove him down our throats, or what would be the best build-up ever, make him so annoying they would have to turn him heel (who the fuck am I kidding *punches self*).

They could have handled The Rock getting involved better. Bump the ref outside the ring, and have Rock run down the ramp or something. A Classic but all too predictable swerve, but sometimes thats what you need to get things done. It's a Classic swerve for a reason! The Rock shouldn't have to restart a match, just to Layth the Smackdown on Someone's Candy Ass!!!

In any case, Miz won. End of story, he won and kept the belt walking out of Wrestlemania, even if he had to get Rock Bottomed and People Elbowed.

The Champ Is Here. Thank God It Isn't John Cena!

[Speilmen230]

Dusty inducting Road Worriers currently.

[bonzo48280]

so is the Rock hanging around then?

[kittensXLI]

so is the Rock hanging around then?
It would seem so. But I guess we won't know until tonight.

[GrooGrux420]

What a Rush.

[GrooGrux420]

Reports are Sunny's speech got snubbed. However as you can tell by the commercials Drew Carey's and HBK's will be in their full entirety (or close enough). They will also do a quick recap of the rest of the inductees.

[kittensXLI]

Jericho is dancing next after the commercial break.

[GrooGrux420]

Jericho is dancing next after the commercial break.

Just turned it on. :monkey

[Speilmen230]

Kane inducting Drew Carey. :lol

[GrooGrux420]

The debut of Chris Irvine!

[Speilmen230]

really cool touching story with Jericho and his mom.

[GrooGrux420]

I take that back, I mis-read the report. HBK's speech will be heavily edited.

[kittensXLI]

Jericho dominates again.

[GrooGrux420]

I've never seen the show, but why don't they show the scores in front of them? Are they scared? :lol

[kittensXLI]

I've never seen the show, but why don't they show the scores in front of them? Are they scared? :lol
? They do...

[Speilmen230]

really awesome video-package for HBK.

[kittensXLI]

Looks like JR and King calling Raw tonight. Hopefully it's better then their WM performances. Good God.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'd take a "bad" J.R. over a "good Cole" anyday.

[Speilmen230]

HHH just poured his heart out. That is one of my most favorite induction speeches that has ever been given.

[Speilmen230]

What are the odds of shawn's son becoming a second generation wrestler?

[JacobLovesYou]

The one think i know about Austin is that he has a burning love for the business and any chance that Vince tosses him to get involved in the action he takes it. I don't fault him for having a love for the business. it isn't like he gets in there and stinks the joint up and bleeds all over the place to make up for it like Hogan or Flair.

oh yeah, i don't blame stone cold at all. i guess if i had to place blame it would be on vince. hopefully, if 2011 moves the brand closer to a pg13 rating, stone cold could get a respectful gig.

it'd be hard because he couldn't wrestle, but i think a GREAT storyline would involve guys like rock, austin, HHH, jericho, and edge saying how attitude era is the best and guys like cena, orton, miz, sheamus, del rio, and cody rhodes saying right now is the best era ever.

it'd almost have an "invasion" type feel, should boost ratings, and if a more pg13-ish brand is what they're going for, it would be a realistic way of reintegrating edgy material.

[Speilmen230]

I hate when they announce that so and so is going to call out someone.

like when HBK, Austin, or The Rock did it, it was generally at the top of the program or the top of the 10 pm hour and they just said we are gonna get things get kicked off with the rock or we are waiting on Stone Cold's arrival. It was never 'TONIGHT HBK calls out Bret Hart".

[kittensXLI]

Why does this Raw feel so weird and backwards? Something seems off.

[Speilmen230]

They are showing it from the opposite side.

The entrance is usually to the left. tonight it is from the right.

[Speilmen230]

Triple H is really selling Taker's victory extremely well. He is putting him way over.

[kittensXLI]

It's more than that. These camera angles and shots suck. The sound is off. Why is H even wearing sunglasses right now. This promo is weird.

[GrooGrux420]

I hate when they announce that so and so is going to call out someone.

like when HBK, Austin, or The Rock did it, it was generally at the top of the program or the top of the 10 pm hour and they just said we are gonna get things get kicked off with the rock or we are waiting on Stone Cold's arrival. It was never 'TONIGHT HBK calls out Bret Hart".

They are so desperate for ratings now, they kinda have to promote call outs.

I haven't turned on Raw yet so I am waiting for people to come over, so I probably won't be able to watch it live. I do have it recording though.

[Speilmen230]

It's more than that. These camera angles and shots suck. The sound is off. Why is H even wearing sunglasses right now. This promo is weird.

Other than the reversal of the camera angle i feel like everything is normal.

[Speilmen230]

Cole is the ultimate troll. :lol That orange singlet is priceless.

[shoegal_97]

Damn I missed the HOF :( I wanted to see what Sunny looked like these days, she was so cute back in the day, one of the only chicks on the WWE that I liked.

[Speilmen230]

She looks a lot better than she did a few years ago. Got herself cleaned up i think.

[Speilmen230]

I really don't understand why Swagger got de-pushed. He was a great looking champion.

[shoegal_97]

Damn, gonna have to google it. What happened to her anyway did she just get too old or did the drugs get to her?

[Speilmen230]

JR seems really bored. Not his usual self. He went in and out of excited and boredom last night too.

[kittensXLI]

Thank goodness. JR is freaking miserable. Talk about overrated due to name recognition. JR should hang them up for good. I don't care if Josh Matthews calls Raw every week by himself. JR and King suck on the headset now.

[ant_marching41]

Decent start tonight. Looking forward to seeing how Cody does tonight after that impressive performance last night.

[Speilmen230]

Damn, gonna have to google it. What happened to her anyway did she just get too old or did the drugs get to her?
She had backstage issues with Sable and she was addicted to painkillers. Then it went even further downhill from there.

Her life was a big big mess for quite some time. In the last few years she has gotten her life back on track.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE should move all of its programming over to the Disney Channel.

[Speilmen230]

why is that Kent?

[K3nTaKa0s]

why is that Kent?

That's where the kiddie programs belong.

[Speilmen230]

So the bleeping out of f-bombs, use of douche bag, and other curse words, make TNA the 'adult' program?

[Speilmen230]

Here. We. Go.

CM Punk!

[shoegal_97]

She had backstage issues with Sable and she was addicted to painkillers. Then it went even further downhill from there.

Her life was a big big mess for quite some time. In the last few years she has gotten her life back on track.

Too bad, hopefully she's got it together now

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA has no effect on how bad this show is.

But hey, Michael Cole got heat by pouring BBQ sauce on Jim Ross. That's entertainment.

[Speilmen230]

i never said TNA had an impact on WWE. i was asking if TNA was the 'adult' programming to watch.

[Rodey]

Great, now we have to listen to Booker the rest of the night. :lol

I love Punk and his awesome theme.

[kittensXLI]

Orton's Thez Press is embarrassing.

[Speilmen230]

Too bad, hopefully she's got it together now

Yeah. She dated HBK for 9 months back in the day. I think he may have been the reason she got into Painkillers. She really didn't wrestle so there wasn't a reason for her to be doing them unless she had some sort of condition.

[K3nTaKa0s]

i never said TNA had an impact on WWE. i was asking if TNA was the 'adult' programming to watch.

It's more adult than WWE. But that's not really saying much.

[shoegal_97]

Yeah. She dated HBK for 9 months back in the day. I think he may have been the reason she got into Painkillers. She really didn't wrestle so there wasn't a reason for her to be doing them unless she had some sort of condition.

That's right! I remember that now, that she dated HBK.

So, I have a question my brother and i have been debating this and you seem to have a lot of knowledge about the WWE.

So, is it true that Macho Man hooked up with Stephanie (before HHH of course) and that's why Vince hates him so much and why he doesn't have a proper documentary and hasn't been inducted into the HOF? I mean come on, Macho Man was awesome and did a hell of a lot for the WWE and he's never ever EVER mentioned. Whats the dealio?

[ProphetofJit]

They definitely need to cut down on the amount of commercials during matches ...

[Speilmen230]

That's right! I remember that now, that she dated HBK.

So, I have a question my brother and i have been debating this and you seem to have a lot of knowledge about the WWE.

So, is it true that Macho Man hooked up with Stephanie (before HHH of course) and that's why Vince hates him so much and why he doesn't have a proper documentary and hasn't been inducted into the HOF? I mean come on, Macho Man was awesome and did a hell of a lot for the WWE and he's never ever EVER mentioned. Whats the dealio?

That rumor has been flying around for years. From what i have heard and collected over the years it is false.

It supposedly is a rumor that built up steam over the years and never cooled off and always somehow regains steam anytime Savage and Vince are mentioned in the same sentence.

Just my perspective on that particular rumor. I have no clue as to why vince won't induct Savage into the HOF.

[Speilmen230]

the Austin/HHH segment was really cool.

No music gets a reaction the way the glass breaking does.

[jcomey]

TNA has no effect on how bad this show is.

But hey, Michael Cole got heat by pouring BBQ sauce on Jim Ross. That's entertainment.

I'm kind of wondering why you watch WWE. All you do is badmouth it.

[Richard Belding]

good lord girl in the blue dress. sign her immediately

[Speilmen230]

Not one of those kids look like potential stars.

They look like models that wannabe wrestlers.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'm kind of wondering why you watch WWE. All you do is badmouth it.

Wouldn't have anything to talk about in this thread if I didn't watch Raw.

[jcomey]

Wouldn't have anything to talk about in this thread if I didn't watch Raw.

So you like to bitch and complain?

[kittensXLI]

good lord girl in the blue dress. sign her immediately
:lol:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

So you like to bitch and complain?

Of course. Who doesn't?

[gonz085]

The cast of Real World Vegas showed up?

[K3nTaKa0s]

The cast of Real World Vegas showed up?

I was just going to ask if Tough Enough got the leftovers from the last Real World auditions.

[Richard Belding]

i can just picture the whole roster backstage laughing at these clowns

[AndySlash]

who here was pimpin jon moxley? the torch is sayin the guy just got signed to wwe developmental.

[Speilmen230]

Andy Levine has my vote.

[kittensXLI]

:lol "Stun them all!" chant.

[jcomey]

I like the Riggs kid. And the woman who said she's hot enough to be the next Diva...she's the first one gone.

[Rodey]

I was pimpin' Moxley. Glad to see they signed him.

I hope the dude with the fro wins Tough Enough. :lol

[ant_marching41]

Aaaawwwwweeeeeessssooooooommmmmeee!!!!

[kittensXLI]

Sweet Jesus that looked bad.

[Richard Belding]

Ouch.

8888888

[kittensXLI]

:lol Miz is seriously so AWESOME.

[jcomey]

Miz just buried one of them.

[kittensXLI]

Miz wants to bust out laughing so badly.

[Speilmen230]

the hair on austin's ears were standing on end.

[Richard Belding]

A-Ri has the best job in sports right now.

[kittensXLI]

Take notes Orton. Vintage Lou Thez Press.

[Speilmen230]

Austin has literally no ring rust compared to the rock.

[Richard Belding]

You just ruined all their clothes. How rude of you Steve

[kittensXLI]

Booker T is decent on the headset.

[Speilmen230]

hahaha payback is a bitch.

And keystone smells fucking terrible too.

[kittensXLI]

Aw f Bourne. This is stupid.

Sin Cara better come out for this.

[Speilmen230]

Alberto should take on a different gimmick now. He should still be the aristocrat but he should be ruthless and evil now. Have WM be a career changing night.

[kittensXLI]

Squash this loser already.

[Speilmen230]

I think Cole make a good Color guy, and i personally love Josh Matthews on Play by Play.

[kittensXLI]

:lol ADR is great.

[Speilmen230]

What i don't understand is how Bourne went from being in the same breath as guy like Morrison, Miz (as us champ), Kofi, & Sheamus to being an athletic jobber who makes the big guys look uber-strong.

[Rodey]

:lol ADR is great.

He really is. Probably my favorite guy in the 'E right now.

[kittensXLI]

What i don't understand is how Bourne went from being in the same breath as guy like Morrison, Miz (as us champ), Kofi, & Sheamus to being an athletic jobber who makes the big guys look uber-strong.
:lol He never, ever, EVER was.

[Rodey]

Other than Rock that is.

[kittensXLI]

He really is. Probably my favorite guy in the 'E right now.
Him wiping his face, seeing the blood, and reacting was perfect.

[Speilmen230]

:lol He never, ever, EVER was.

He was thrust into Raw Main events last year in the fall, and was actually really over. I went to a house show and he got the third loudest pop behind Orton and Cena.

[kittensXLI]

He was thrust into Raw Main events last year in the fall, and was actually really over. I went to a house show and he got the third loudest pop behind Orton and Cena.
He's "over" because he's a small, muscular, SSP, spot monkey. Kids eat that trash up.

[Speilmen230]

He's over because he's a small, muscular, SSP, spot monkey. Kids eat that trash up.

I never said he was good, i just said he was over and getting a decent push. now he is a jobber, who does flips and shit to get guys over.

[JRS1386]

I'm the miz and I'm awesome... at golf :lol

[gonz085]

oh god

88888888

[K3nTaKa0s]

I don't think Ziggler will ever get over.

[kittensXLI]

No sane human being ever put Bourne in the same breath as Morrison, Miz, or Sheamus. Those guys all have high ceilings as champions. Bourne at his peak isn't even an IC-caliber superstar.

[Rodey]

Trish looks so damn good these days.

[kittensXLI]

Matthews, Booker, and Cole should do Raw every single week.

[kittensXLI]

Trish looks so damn good these days.
Yeah, she's not thick anymore.

[ant_marching41]

Trish looks so damn good these days.
I am sooo glad to see her back in the ring... bending like that.
Matthews, Booker, and Cole should do Raw every single week.
I'd be down with that. Definitely.

[Speilmen230]

I have to strongly disagree with you for honestly thinking that with the current state of the IC title that bourne wouldn't be able to hold it.

In my honest opinion if WWE was smart they would raid TNA of MCMG, Beer Money, AJ, & Christopher Daniels and rejuvenate their non-existent Tag Division.

You could then put Evan in with a guy like Kofi or Rey and have them be a Tag Team.

a 4 way tag rivalry with MCMG, Beer Money, Styles/Daniels, & Rey/Bourne or Kofi/Bourne would be friggin sweet.

[kittensXLI]

Dude, this isn't EWR.

[Rodey]

Dude, this isn't EWR.

:lol :lol

[Speilmen230]

Dude, this isn't EWR.

Never said it was, but WWE hasn't exactly been great at building new stars as of late beside Miz.

And Tag Team wrestling is basically dead in WWE, and i would love to see it rejuvenated by bringing in 'fresh' faces.

Although it does sound like a fantasy, i think that they have enough money to throw around that they could lure all 6 of those guys away from TNA.

besides Kurt & Anderson, they are the only good talent in that company.

[Speilmen230]

Oh yeah! we are getting this match for free and it is in the "main event" slot.

[kittensXLI]

Styles and Daniels in a tag team would be an utter waste of talent. I'd rather them stay in the minors as singles workers where they get misused enough as it is.

[ant_marching41]

Wow, more Wrestlemania on RAW! We're so lucky!

[jackisback24]

funny how Sheamus was slotted at one point to face HHH in a big spot on WM27 and only made the pre show. Sucks for him but maybe next year.

[Speilmen230]

Styles and Daniels in a tag team would be an utter waste of talent. I'd rather them stay in the minors as singles workers where they get misused enough as it is.

Just because you start off in a tag doesn't mean you have to stay there. Look at Edge and Christian.





well... look at Edge. :lol

[kittensXLI]

Just because you start off in a tag doesn't mean you have to stay there. Look at Edge and Christian.





well... look at Edge. :lol
Edge and Christian weren't good singles workers when they were a team. Styles and Daniels already are great singles workers. Huge difference.

[Speilmen230]

Sin Cara!

[kittensXLI]

A Sin Cara/Danielson feud would be unreal.

[ant_marching41]

Enter Sin Cara!

That was pretty awesome. He'll be great to watch in the upcoming weeks.

[Speilmen230]

A Sin Cara/Danielson feud would be unreal.

Yes. Especially if WWE let them work the matches they wanted. I watched a number of videos of Mistico today and he is damn smooth.

Danielson and Mistico working together would instantly rejuvenate the image of the US title.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I really hope J.R. is back next week. The commentary is hurting.

[Speilmen230]

Cena looks to be in a much better state of mind.

He looks like himself.

[Richard Belding]

I love Cena getting booed.

[kittensXLI]

If they're going for the concept of Sin Cara/US Title/heritage/establishment etc, I like it a lot. Sheamus obviously doesn't seem like a good fit, but I'll give it a chance.

[Speilmen230]

I really hope J.R. is back next week. The commentary is hurting.

I am a huge JR fan but he HAS lost a number of steps and his work with Lawler is not good anymore.

I am perfectly ok with Matthews, Cole, & Booker.

Matthews has quickly become my new favorite Play by Play guy.

Booker needs a lot of work but there is potential.

Cole is cole and is doing it really well.

[ProphetofJit]

I heart the number of BOOO's ...

[kittensXLI]

Absolutely loved all the cheering for Miz AND Del Rio earlier.

[Speilmen230]

Cena just did a nice little rub for Miz. Put him over.

[jcomey]

I love how hard Cena is putting Miz over.

[kittensXLI]

:lol @ Cena hearing that ONE kid cheering for him.

[Speilmen230]

it is so fucking great seeing Rock signs back in the Crowd.

[Speilmen230]

blololololol at the Fruity pebbles chants.

[ProphetofJit]

Best chant ever!!!!!!!!

[Speilmen230]

god i love these live appearance of The Rock.


great jab by Cena at the ToothFairy movie.

[Speilmen230]

John is talking his ass off here. i am utterly impressed. He is holding his own.

[kittensXLI]

Good. That is exactly what needed to be done.

[jackisback24]

Rock vs. Cena will it sustain a year? Hmm...think the crowd is burnt a tad. Cena smiling too much. A year to promote. Hmmmmm.

[Speilmen230]

wow.... Making a match 1 year in advance? good god.

Cena/Rock WM 28 @ Miami.

[kittensXLI]

Aw wtf. Seriously?

[jackisback24]

Hard Corre for an angle.

[kittensXLI]

:lol Why does Heath Slater always get the brunt of everything.

[Speilmen230]

that audio guy is going to get fired :lol

[jackisback24]

maybe he's on a 7 second delay?^

[kittensXLI]

This is perfect. Rock is in nowhere near in-ring shape. A whole year to be ready leaves no excuses. And saving it for WM instead of SS is fantastic. Great work for a change, 'E.

[Rodey]

What the hell was that?

[jcomey]

John is talking his ass off here. i am utterly impressed. He is holding his own.

He owned The Rock last week. Decimated him. I'm the biggest Rock mark ever...even I'm not in denial about last week's RAW. Cena has more than held his own throughout this entire thing. His raps were solid, his promos even more so.

That said...it all went to shit.

[Speilmen230]

I am going to try and go to WM next year. I never got a chance to see Rock live, and this is my opportunity.

[jackisback24]

They should've had Fred Flinstone and Wilma run in for the save.

[kittensXLI]

He owned The Rock last week. Decimated him. I'm the biggest Rock mark ever...even I'm not in denial about last week's RAW. Cena has more than held his own throughout this entire thing. His raps were solid, his promos even more so.

That said...it all went to shit.
Uh... What?

Tonight was probably the only good promo of Cena's career. Best one, no question. And he was putrid this entire buildup with Rock prior to 20 minutes ago.

[gocubsgo3822]

I dont get it.. fo we think rock is baxk or is he gone? I am going for sure next tear

[kittensXLI]

Rima and the two long-hairs are the only people I see with potential.

[Speilmen230]

this black bitch isn't going to make it.


N/R

[jackisback24]

Erik Watts is visually what Vince wants, but needs to improve his ring work.

[jcomey]

Uh... What?

Tonight was probably the only good promo of Cena's career. Best one, no question. And he was putrid this entire buildup with Rock prior to 20 minutes ago.

Your opinion. His promo on Rock last week was fantastic. He shoved all of Rock's insults in his face.

[kittensXLI]

Your opinion. His promo on Rock last week was fantastic. He shoved all of Rock's insults in his face.
Your opinion. Didn't get that out of him whatsoever over here.

Have you seen all of his WM matches? Which ones, if any, do you think were good? Out of WM20-26, I saw one good match.

[AndySlash]

cena was great last week you guys.

[Speilmen230]

dude is a fucking tool. jesus.

[Richard Belding]

Rima and the two long-hairs are the only people I see with potential.

As long as Rima isn't completely atrocious in the ring she'll be fine cause you know she can talk and is comfortable in front of crowds.

[kittensXLI]

Skidmarks looked pretty bad. :lol

[Speilmen230]

Andy seems like he is the most focused out of anyone.

[jcomey]

Your opinion. Didn't get that out of him whatsoever over here.

Have you seen all of his WM matches? Which ones, if any, do you think were good? Out of WM20-26, I saw one good match.

Since when did we get onto his matches? I'm talking promos. Perhaps your predisposition against Cena taints your view a bit?

I haven't watched WWE in a long time. I follow here and there, but I hadn't watched until Rock came back. So Cena hasn't been stale to me. And I was *greatly* impressed with his promo last week.

[kittensXLI]

Since when did we get onto his matches? I'm talking promos. Perhaps your predisposition against Cena taints your view a bit?

I haven't watched WWE in a long time. I follow here and there, but I hadn't watched until Rock came back. So Cena hasn't been stale to me. And I was *greatly* impressed with his promo last week.
It's everything about Cena. His promos are bad, his matches are bad, his character(s) have all been bad, his in-ring work is bad.

He has muscles, marketability, and dedication. That's it. Especially someone who's been doing it this long, there should have been some sort of semblance of improvements.

[Speilmen230]

To answer your question about his WM matches.

23>22>24>21>26>25>20

[clayj41]

"I shit my pants, and I kept working the match." :lol

[kittensXLI]

:lol @ Steve Austin

[Speilmen230]

Austin tore those kids to shreds.


i knew that black chick wasn't gonna make it.

[Doors Allan Coe]

It's everything about Cena. His promos are bad, his matches are bad, his character(s) have all been bad, his in-ring work is bad.

He has muscles, marketability, and dedication. That's it. Especially someone who's been doing it this long, there should have been some sort of semblance of improvements.

You are watching sports entertainment programming. You are not watching the NWA. You are not watching ECW. You are not watching ROH. You are watching the WWE/F. This isn't anything new. Bruno and Hogan were the same way.

His promos, in ring work, and character all being bad is highly debatable. I personally disagree with you.

WWE is openly appealing to children. The same way it did in the 80's. TNA and WWE aren't my cup of tea. For the most part watching the WWE is free and easy. If you like wrestling then support good wrestling. There is tons of great stuff past and present you can watch as an alternative.

Seek out some mid 90's ECW Hardcore TV. Here are 2 DVDs with ALL the ECW TV shows leading into Barely Legal. It's not the holy grail or anything, but it's something not many people have actually watched. If you watch these and then Barely Legal, you will surely be satisfied. You don't have to love ECW, but if your a fan of good ol' grass roots professional wrestling you can't beat this.

http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwhardcoretv204-207.aspx
http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwhardcoretv208-211.aspx

[Rodey]

:lol Booker T is so black...

n/r

[ant_marching41]

Thank god she's gone. Melina vs. Alica Fox??????

I woulda stunned her ass right there!

[kittensXLI]

You are watching sports entertainment programming. You are not watching the NWA. You are not watching ECW. You are not watching ROH. You are watching the WWE/F. This isn't anything new. Bruno and Hogan were the same way.

His promos, in ring work, and character all being bad is highly debatable. I personally disagree with you.

WWE is openly appealing to children. The same way it did in the 80's. TNA and WWE aren't my cup of tea. For the most part watching the WWE is free and easy. If you like wrestling then support good wrestling. There is tons of great stuff past and present you can watch as an alternative.

Seek out some mid 90's ECW Hardcore TV. Here are 2 DVDs with ALL the ECW TV shows leading into Barely Legal. It's not the holy grail or anything, but it's something not many people have actually watched. If you watch these and then Barely Legal, you will surely be satisfied. You don't have to love ECW, but if your a fan of good ol' grass roots professional wrestling you can't beat this.

http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwhardcoretv204-207.aspx
http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwhardcoretv208-211.aspx
Oh, I'm not surprised why or how Cena has made it. I understand what's going on and what one of the products I watch is offering. I just disagree with his "talents".

Didn't click those links yet, but if it's free, I will unquestionably check it out asap.

[Speilmen230]

i mean anything but that. It is like she typed wwe divas into youtube and she clicked the first thing she saw.

[kittensXLI]

Thank god she's gone. Melina vs. Alica Fox??????

I woulda stunned her ass right there!
I was honestly hoping eliminations would occur via Stunner.

Tough Enough is still so cool, though.

[Rodey]

The 'E getting The Corre involved tonight was so unnecessary. Kind of ruined the moment.

[jcomey]

The 'E getting The Corre involved tonight was so unnecessary. Kind of ruined the moment.

It reminded me of the Penguin sending his henchmen off in the Adam West Batman movie.

[kittensXLI]

The 'E getting The Corre involved tonight was so unnecessary. Kind of ruined the moment.
I kind of agree. Or did at first, at least. But it lead to bonus Rock Bottoms and People's Elbow, so it's fine in the end.

[Speilmen230]

Yeah i see Tough Enough becoming a must watch for me. i really enjoyed it.

The corre was really stupid, but it did it's job.

[kittensXLI]

If it was going to lead to some drawn out feud like Nexus, I would've killed myself. But just a run-in for finishers, that's okay.

[ant_marching41]

I was honestly hoping eliminations would occur via Stunner.

Tough Enough is still so cool, though.
Shows seems a little over produced IMO, but the trainers are all great, and they couldn't have picked a better host than Austin. The interviews, the passion, the ripping. That's exactly what this show needed if it was going to make a comeback.

Some of the guys look good so far. Haven't decided on a favorite yet.

[jcomey]

Erik Watts? Is he the son of Erik Watts from WCW in the 90s? Or is he Erik Watts from WCW in the 90s?

[BotheDMBFan]

King in the Ring >>> King in the booth.

[BotheDMBFan]

JR's BBQ sauce sucks ass, by the way.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Erik Watts? Is he the son of Erik Watts from WCW in the 90s? Or is he Erik Watts from WCW in the 90s?

Nah.. different race.

[kittensXLI]

JR's BBQ sauce sucks ass, by the way.
True story.

[ant_marching41]

Nah.. wrong race.
Thank you. :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

True story.

It goes horribly with ribs, which is the worst thing ever. I guess you could use a little bit of it as a light marinade type deal before you make steak. That's about it, though.

[BotheDMBFan]

PS, Rhodes deserves a main title run in the next year and a half. He has grown up SO MUCH.

[kittensXLI]

The IC tier could be beefed up so majorly with Barrett, Rhodes, Danielson, heck even DiBiase and Ryder.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton is simply too big (both mass and height) to do a proper Thez press in this era of the WWE. A tackle would do better for him, IMO.

[BotheDMBFan]

The IC tier could be beefed up so majorly with Barrett, Rhodes, Danielson, heck even DiBiase and Ryder.

Can Riley do...anything?>

[kittensXLI]

Can Riley do...anything?>
I think Riley could be okay if he broke away from Miz.

[Richard Belding]

If he wasn't so awesome as a wrestler, he would need to be commentator forever. All the Superstars stuff with Scott Stamford is gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duzwm9GWSN8&feature=related

Also, do you guys remember Josh Matthews on Tough Enough Season 1? I'm on his Wiki and says he finished 2nd behind Maven. Don't remember him though. Also, his real last name is Lomberger. Awesome

[BotheDMBFan]

I do remember him there, he was better than Maven IMO.

[kittensXLI]

If he wasn't so awesome as a wrestler, he would need to be commentator forever. All the Superstars stuff with Scott Stamford is gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duzwm9GWSN8&feature=related

Also, do you guys remember Josh Matthews on Tough Enough Season 1? I'm on his Wiki and says he finished 2nd behind Maven. Don't remember him though. Also, his real last name is Lomberger. Awesome
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk v Orton to continue? (I'm watching the live WC feed.)

[BotheDMBFan]

Booker is really nice on the mic. His voice translated so much better than I thought it would.

[kittensXLI]

Booker is really nice on the mic. His voice translated so much better than I thought it would.
Seriously. I guess after expecting, and hearing as well, the worst from him, he's improved A LOT. I would not mind a Booker/Matthews/Cole crew for Raw from now on.

[BotheDMBFan]

I also love how Booker goes with the "less is more" method of announcing. Cole and Matthews are great, and Booker adds...well..color to the match. Doesn't take away from what those two are doing.

[Speilmen230]

Punk should get to commentate after he retires from wrestling. He is so deadpan and great. :lol

[kittensXLI]

Booker used to just mouth off garbage all the time, trying way too hard. Just trying to fill far too much. Now he's picking his moments more, and thinking of what he says before blurting out nonsense. I like him now.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton adding the angle slam to his permanent repertoire RULES.

"You can count to 100." - Booker T. That was great.

[Speilmen230]

"HE SPILLED MY DIET SODA! i want you to know that!"

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk owns as an announcer.

[BotheDMBFan]

SIN FUCKING FUCK YOU CARA!

Holy shit!

[BotheDMBFan]

I'd love to see a Sin Cara v Rey Rey match.

[Richard Belding]

Here's a cool little clip. H is awesome. I remember Matthews now. What a little shit he was. Also in there is the guy Chris Nowinski who is doing all the stuff with the NFL about concussions, getting dead players' brains and what not. Pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4DWg8OHSo0

[Speilmen230]

Cara vs Daniel Bryan is a feud i really really wanna see.

Cara will show up Rey in a big big way.

[BotheDMBFan]

A Rey v Sin cage match would be fantastic.

Mask v Mask as well. I wonder if they have worked together before. (goes to youtube)

[BotheDMBFan]

YES! A good semi-recent one.

Or not. Quality was shit anyways.

[Richard Belding]

Drunk Miz is just as awesome. If anything just watch from 4:05 to the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_qja9Otjrg

[BotheDMBFan]

Sin fucked up his entrance. Ugh.

[JacobLovesYou]

really weird seeing a match setup a year in advance. i wonder if they'll have rock do any other angles before then. the first thing i thought of when i saw the corre come down was that they were going to make rock and cena tag champions.

[kittensXLI]

really weird seeing a match setup a year in advance. i wonder if they'll have rock do any other angles before then. the first thing i thought of when i saw the corre come down was that they were going to make rock and cena tag champions.
:lol Sad but true.

[JacobLovesYou]

Matthews, Booker, and Cole should do Raw every single week.

yeah i really liked the three of them. cole was fantastic tonight and booker t said both hell and pissed so he won me over.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cena's eyes are still dazed.

[GrooGrux420]

Just finished watching Raw. Decent episode. Fast forwarded through a lot of the crap. Sin Cara's debut was awesome. I was really hoping he wouldn't botch his over the top rope entrance and become the next Shockmaster. He almost did. :lol

I was avoiding Raw spoilers until I watched it, but got bombarded by texts about Cena vs. Rock next year's WM. Like Kittens said (I think it was Kittens), this gives Rock a year to get rid of the in-ring rust, however it also probably means a whole year until we see Rock step into the ring. If I were Vince, I wouldn't let Rock step into a ring for a match until then.

On to Tough Enough notes, I thought it was a great first episode. I really like the concept and style they are going for. Much better than the original. Also like that they are moving it to before Raw. The black chick was retarded. Best match was Melina vs. Alicia Fox? Really? You could have said Stone Cold vs. <insert any other Attitude era guy>. Fuck she is beyond retarded.

[GrooGrux420]

Agreed on the Booker, Matthews and Cole calling Raw from now on. :thumbsup

[kittensXLI]

She should've said her fav match was Austin/Booker T. Even as a guess that maybe they had a match. They'd probably think she knows of the grocery store match and she wouldn't be eliminated.

[BotheDMBFan]

Cena looks like has aged horribly the last year facially. Must be stress.

[kittensXLI]

Cena looks like has aged horribly the last year facially. Must be stress.
You try fighting Nexus for a year!!!!