Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[kittensXLI]

I cannot wait until he gets released.

Thank goodness for Morrison.

[GrooGrux420]

wow, that promo sucked nuts. The crowd had no idea wtf to do. If Truth was on TE he would have been eliminated by now. :lol

[Speilmen230]

Morrison doesn't have the best mic skills but they are miles better than R-Truth.

[comerelaxnow]

I think you guys are too focused on R-Truths Gimmick. I think hes a great worker. Hes a former NWA Champion and no question has what it takes.

[Speilmen230]

Folksssss?!?!

[Speilmen230]

Truth so fucking bad. My lord.

[GrooGrux420]

lol this horrible, its TNA bad.

[GrooGrux420]

oh dear lord. Words can't describe how shitty that whole confrontation was.

[Speilmen230]

I give WWE credit for giving these guys time out by themselves, but yeah if Morrison wants to start hanging in there with the big boys he needs to step up his mic skills big time.

[kittensXLI]

lol this horrible, its TNA bad.
R-Truth was TNA World Champion. Twice.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Great way to open the show. Mr. Cold Shoulder and the TNA reject.

[GrooGrux420]

I give WWE credit for giving these guys time out by themselves.

They are in London, so no one really gives a shit. :lol

[ant_marching41]

Intense way to kick of monday night raw.

[kittensXLI]

They are in London, so no one really gives a shit. :lol
:lol Seriously. And has any human being ever had a good speaking segment with R-Truth included?

[kittensXLI]

Intense way to kick of monday night raw.
Hey, if it kicks R-Truth out of a title match, I don't care if Morrison has a thumb wrestling match for the spot.

[Speilmen230]

Only person who could have had great promo segment with truth is Punk. :lol

[GrooGrux420]

WWE Superstar R-Truth posted the follow on his Twitter account three hours before the start of Monday Night Raw:

"Being mr nice guy got me no where! I lost my chance to become WWE champion! Wait'al they get a load of me!"

After many fans sent him angry tweets for spoiling a major segment on Raw, the post was taken down within 15 minutes. It looks like Mr. Truth forgot that Raw wasn't live tonight... I wonder if he even knows which country he's in...?

:lol

[kittensXLI]

Only person who could have had great promo segment with truth is Punk. :lol
Hopefully we never have to witness the proof.

[ant_marching41]

:lol Seriously. And has any human being ever had a good speaking segment with R-Truth included?
Of course there was! Remember that one segment where Truth spoke the truth to Cena before he was going to referee the Free or Fired match!? Made Cena look like a bitch. Wonderful performance.

[Speilmen230]

Great way to open the show. Mr. Cold Shoulder and the TNA reject.

I want to reply so bad but i will refrain...

[jackisback24]

Mary McCormick has a cute overbite.:thumbsup:thumbsup:D

[comerelaxnow]

Ha! Wow did you guys catch the obvious talking between Truth and Morrison when Truth had Morrison down in a headlock. You could even hear Morrison talking with him about the next move.

Edit!

Morrison just did it again...he just covered his mouth with his hand and called a spot. WOW this is bad

Nevermind what i said on the last page defending R-Truth. He used to be good maybe...now its sad

[kittensXLI]

JR and King should both really retire from announcing. Seriously.

[GrooGrux420]

Only person who could have had great promo segment with truth is Punk. :lol

At TLC back in 09, the dark match was Punk vs. Truth. They both cut short promos, and lets put it his way, not even Punk could make Truth look good.

[jackisback24]

Ross is back. Good.:thumbsup Is Cole still a heel?

[kittensXLI]

It kills me R-Truth has to use the suplex stunner. Probably my favorite move ever being used by the worst worker ever.

[Speilmen230]

Ha! Wow did you guys catch the obvious talking between Truth and Morrison when Truth had Morrison down in a headlock. You could even hear Morrison talking with him about the next move.

Edit!

Morrison just did it again...he just covered his mouth with his hand and called a spot. WOW this is bad

Nevermind what i said on the last page defending R-Truth. He used to be good maybe...now its sad


Morrison probably had to yell at him, because Truth couldn't hear him.

[Rodey]

Cole ripping on King and JR is so awesome. :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Why would Truth agree to put his title shot on the line?

[JRS1386]

What was the point of having RTruth in the gauntlet and winning/tying it last week?

[GrooGrux420]

Really hope this means. R-Truth is turning heel and getting rid of the What's Up gimmick, or atleast now uses it to dis the crowd.

[kittensXLI]

What was the point of having RTruth in the gauntlet and winning/tying it last week?
I'm assuming to "punish" Morrison for being an idiot backstage. Also to fill time between now and the PPV. Lazy booking and crappy "punishment" combo.

The "You suck!" chants seem rather genuine from the London crowd. :lol:lol

[Speilmen230]

Looks like Morrison is knocked out of it now too.

No way they have him return from this next week.

[kittensXLI]

Looks like Morrison is knocked out of it now too.

No way they have him return from this next week.
:ugh:ugh Uh, no...

[GrooGrux420]

Why are they still dragging this shit out?

[kittensXLI]

R-Truth has had about enough TV time for the rest of his career tonight. Please, enough already.

[ProphetofJit]

Yeah ....... this is pretty bad .......

[GrooGrux420]

Shit just got real.

[ant_marching41]

Oh my god. This is incredible. :lol:lol:lol

[kittensXLI]

This is probably the worst way to turn someone heel ever. Well, worst way that isn't TNA-related.

[comerelaxnow]

Why is this going on 30 mins???

Well obviously they are trying to turn Truth Heel which is a good call.

[Rodey]

:lol:lol:lol

What the fuck?!

[K3nTaKa0s]

That's illegal! That's illegal! That's illegal!

[jackisback24]

Really hope this means. R-Truth is turning heel and getting rid of the What's Up gimmick, or atleast now uses it to dis the crowd.
It's now going to be Why So Serious.:shrug

[Speilmen230]

:ugh:ugh Uh, no...

1 punt from Orton takes them off screen for a number of weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if they have this take him out for a couple weeks.

[kittensXLI]

Oh wait, you're not allowed to smoke there? A "That's illegal!" chant?

[GrooGrux420]

lol are they chanting "That's illegal?"

Think about the children. :lol:lol

OMG K3n you actually have a segment you can say is actually worse than TNA. :lol

[ant_marching41]

Won't somebody pleeease think of the children!!!

Oh my god I love this London crowd.

[kittensXLI]

1 punt from Orton takes them off screen for a number of weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if they have this take him out for a couple weeks.
A punt to the head is vastly different than an R-Truth waterbottle beatdown. I guarantee Morrison stays in the title match.

[Speilmen230]

I hope he does, but knowing WWE i have feeling this takes him off screen for a few weeks.

[comerelaxnow]

Well now i think we can blame the crowd for this....the fact that the crowd was still pumped and chanting after 25 mins of this means that the wreslters did their job...and that the crowd has zero standards

[Rodey]

R-Troof lighting up a cig is epic television. :lol

[kittensXLI]

R-Troof lighting up a cig is epic television. :lol
Epically bad. :lol

[JRS1386]

Wouldn't Orton or Ziggler feel like they have an equal shot to get in the match? Think they will challenge Morrison or is it set with those 3?

[Speilmen230]

are cigs REALLY pg?

[K3nTaKa0s]

OMG K3n you actually have a segment you can say is actually worse than TNA. :lol

Raw is good for a couple of those every single week.

[kittensXLI]

Guys, the bottom line is R-Truth is out of a PPV main event title match. We all won tonight.

[Speilmen230]

So you admit that they are consistently worse than WWE?

[K3nTaKa0s]

So you admit that they are consistently worse than WWE?

Fuck no. Are you insane? WWE has been awful for a long time. I thought I've gone over that before.

[kittensXLI]

Ugh. Evan Bourne is the ultimate buzzkill.

[Speilmen230]

JR needs to hang em up. He was much much much better on the Old School Raw.

[kittensXLI]

:lol Good move for Ziggler. His previous hair was embarrassing.

[comerelaxnow]

JR needs to hang em up. He was much much much better on the Old Skool Raw.

fixed

Nah i still love JR.

[Speilmen230]

OMG K3n you actually have a segment you can say is actually worse than TNA. :lol

Raw is good for a couple of those every single week.



Wouldn't that mean that most of their segments are better than TNA?

[comerelaxnow]

:lol Good move for Ziggler. His previous hair was embarrassing.

I disagree...it made him stick out more. Even if it made him look like a dweeb.

[Speilmen230]

Evan Bourne is a jobber who can make anyone look really good.

[kittensXLI]

Evan Bourne is a jobber who can make anyone look really good.
Have you not seen a Ziggler match before? He doesn't need Bourne to look good. Ziggler is very, very good.

[GrooGrux420]

Evan Bourne is a jobber who can make anyone look really good.

He really is. He has the best sells in the business. The guy looks like a ragdoll out there. :lol

[comerelaxnow]

I like Evan Borne. He will never be anything more than a contract jobber but hes decent

[Rodey]

Sir Michael Cole!!! :lol

[kittensXLI]

Why is Ed Harris in this terrible movie?

[Speilmen230]

i was actually giving credit to Bourne. He was a guy who can take a beating like no one else. Not saying that that is a good thing but it is something.

[comerelaxnow]

Sin Cara please pllleeeaaaassse clear the ropes tonight with your enterance!!

[kittensXLI]

The Jeff Hardy WM spear spot is the best moment of Hardy's entire career.

[GrooGrux420]

Edge truly was one of the greats.

[kittensXLI]

JR is absolutely miserable.

AWESOME!

[comerelaxnow]

Too bad for Edge...what a great career. I was lucky enough to be there for his last monday night raw when he tagged with Christian and i had no clue!

[Speilmen230]

Rock into Hall of Fame at WM 28

Edge Hall of Fame at WM 29

Undertaker Hall of Fame WM 30

[JRS1386]

hip hop refugee :lol

[kittensXLI]

Finally, a quality cage match is booked in 2011 wrestling.

[comerelaxnow]

Rock into Hall of Fame at WM 28

Edge Hall of Fame at WM 29

Undertaker Hall of Fame WM 30

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I'd bet on that

[Speilmen230]

WWE gonna show TNA how to work a triple threat cage championship match?

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE gonna show TNA how to work a triple threat cage championship match?

Unlikely. Miz can't work for shit. I'm sure there will be "great ring psychology" in this one.

[Speilmen230]

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I'd bet on that


And i will go ahead and add Triple H at WM 31

[comerelaxnow]

WWE gonna show TNA how to work a triple threat cage championship match?

Yeah but nobody can run out on the streets and hand out free tickets (even paying fans to go in) to fill camera spots like TNA. :D

[Speilmen230]

Unlikely. Miz can't work for shit. I'm sure there will be "great ring psychology" in this one.

Miz can't work for shit, yet it is perfectly acceptable for Flair to still work at the young spry if 62?

[K3nTaKa0s]

Miz can't work for shit, yet it is perfectly acceptable for Flair to still work at the young spry if 62?

Flair holds how many titles?

[comerelaxnow]

Miz can't work for shit, yet it is perfectly acceptable for Flair to still work at the young spry if 62?

Sadly i must agree that Miz now still can't out work Flair even at 62.

[kittensXLI]

There you go. Finally no botch.

[GrooGrux420]

All he needed was some added pyro. :lol

[JRS1386]

Seen or Sin?

[comerelaxnow]

YES!!!!!!! Sin Cara FINALLY nailed that jump!

[kittensXLI]

Whelp, this is ruined. Thanks Cena.

[JRS1386]

Tag match? OR is he there to be in the corner?

[Speilmen230]

Flair holds how many titles?

What does it matter?

Pro-Wrestling is all about what have you done for me lately and lately he hasn't done jack shit.

The last time Flair was good was when he won the Intercontinental Championship at Unforgiven in 2005.

[kittensXLI]

What does it matter?

Pro-Wrestling is all about what have you done for me lately and lately he hasn't done jack shit.

The last time Flair was good was when he won the Intercontinental Championship at Unforgiven in 2005.
:lol:lol:lol:lol No.

[JRS1386]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwR7eA-VOY

This was horrible

[comerelaxnow]

Whelp, this is ruined. Thanks Cena.

What?? This is a great chance to get Sin Cara in there with the top workers. Hate him or like him, Cena is a top worker

[Speilmen230]

:lol:lol:lol:lol No.

I use good loosely.

[comerelaxnow]

I use good loosely.

Don't back down just cause Kittens laughed at you....:thumbsdow

[kittensXLI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwR7eA-VOY

This was horrible
Truth. But coincidentally, it's better than whatever you want to deem R-Truth's career best work.

[Speilmen230]

This was awesome, classic Naitch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZQUSuOoLA

[Speilmen230]

Don't back down just cause Kittens laughed at you....:thumbsdow

Not backing down, compared to his 90's work, it wasn't anywhere near what he used to be. But he was miles better than what he is now in TNA.

I stand by the fact that people regress when they go to TNA.

[comerelaxnow]

Not backing down, compared to his 90's work, it wasn't anywhere near what he used to be. But he was miles better than what he is now in TNA.

I stand by the fact that people regress when they go to TNA.

Well obviously....but i actually agreed with you with what you said about Flair in 2005.

TNA however doesn't know how to use a talent correctly. I bet you Flair could still go if he was used right...even at 62

[kittensXLI]

Not backing down, compared to his 90's work, it wasn't anywhere near what he used to be. But he was miles better than what he is now in TNA.

I stand by the fact that people regress when they go to TNA.
Matt Morgan is the SINGULAR person who has gone to TNA and gotten better.

[GrooGrux420]

WWE needs more luchas.

[GrooGrux420]

What? That was clearly a 3 count. :lol

[Speilmen230]

Flair in Evolution up thru his Intercontinental run was still very entertaining and good, but now he is just a parody of his former self just like Kurt & Anderson.

[kittensXLI]

WWE needs more luchas.
Luchas are cool, but Sin Cara is unquestionably still a work in process, at least as far as WWE goes. He'd benefit from moving to SD so they can edit his botches until he himself works out the kinks.

[kittensXLI]

Flair in Evolution up thru his Intercontinental run was still very entertaining and good, but now he is just a parody of his former self just like Kurt & Anderson.
Flair in Evolution in non-wrestling roles was fine.

[kittensXLI]

Perfect example from Sin Cara. Completely overshot that spot. :thumbsdow

[comerelaxnow]

The crowd was still Cheering Lets GO Cena...Cena Sucks! and Sin Cara was in the ring. I don't care what people say...Cena is great

[jackisback24]

enya theme music for the win.:lol

[GrooGrux420]

shoulder block> shoulder block> spin-out powerslam>5 knuckle shuffle>AA.

Thats all the moves you need to know kids.

[Speilmen230]

Im calling it now. Orton to Smackdown. There is nothing left for him on Raw. And there is nothing but fresh feuds for him over on SD.

No way they move Cena off Raw, but they need a face for the brand like Edge was so that guy will be Orton.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Orton turned down a trip to Smackdown before, if I recall correctly. What's to say he doesn't do so again?

[Speilmen230]

More money. Money is always the solution when you are in a multi-billion dollar company.

Yes he does have creative control over his character, but i can see them persuading him to go.

[comerelaxnow]

shoulder block> shoulder block> spin-out powerslam>5 knuckle shuffle>AA.

Thats all the moves you need to know kids.

Look back at the greatest names in the Biz...Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock. They all had 4 moves tops

[JRS1386]

Maybe with Edge out of the picture he may take the opportunity?

[kittensXLI]

Vignettes are really underrated. I love that the WWE has been utilizing them more, especially for debuts.

[GrooGrux420]

Im calling it now. Orton to Smackdown. There is nothing left for him on Raw. And there is nothing but fresh feuds for him over on SD.

No way they move Cena off Raw, but they need a face for the brand like Edge was so that guy will be Orton.

I'm pretty sure I said this, but if I didn't I agree completely. However, Smackdown needs more than just Orton. I hope Daniels goes over there as well so he can get some actual face time.

[Speilmen230]

Look back at the greatest names in the Biz...Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock. They all had 4 moves tops

Jericho, HBK, Hart, Macho Man, Steamboat, Angle

None of them had 4 moves tops.

[comerelaxnow]

Going to Smackdown would be a good move for a lot of people. While Miz is holding the WWE title and hanging in there in the 1st hours Main Event...i would much rather have a shot at the World Heavyweight Championship

[kittensXLI]

Eve is horrible.

[Speilmen230]

Awesome botch girls.... ugh. I hate diva matches.

[jackisback24]

I'd love watching this stuff growing up and my brother would mockingly say "Alright, it's Pro Fake Wrestling!"

[kittensXLI]

I'm pretty sure I said this, but if I didn't I agree completely. However, Smackdown needs more than just Orton. I hope Daniels goes over there as well so he can get some actual face time.
Well, Christian and Del Rio seem to be the WHC feud. Deservingly so as well. I'd imagine Sin Cara has to go to SD. If someone like Swagger turns face, moving Sheamus or Danielson over to SD too would put them in pretty good shape.

[comerelaxnow]

Jericho, HBK, Hart, Macho Man, Steamboat, Angle

None of them had 4 moves tops.

Alright let me rephrase...

When you look at the Top names you say Hogan in the 80's....Stone Cold in the 90's. Rock would have taken the ball and ran with it into the 2000's if he would have stayed in.

[GrooGrux420]

Look back at the greatest names in the Biz...Hogan, Stone Cold, Rock. They all had 4 moves tops

At least they added some variety, like The Rock with spit to the hand. Or Stone Cold shooting the bird to his opponent after he hit him with the Thez press or when stomping a mud hole in them.

Vignettes are really underrated. I love that the WWE has been utilizing them more, especially for debuts.

Its all HHH's decision. And I love it. He's starting to go back to some of the school ways of promoting wrestlers before just throwing them out there. :thumbsup

[Speilmen230]

how much more money can they milk out of DX?

[kittensXLI]

At least they added some variety, like The Rock with spit to the hand. Or Stone Cold shooting the bird to his opponent after he hit him with the Thez press or when stomping a mud hole in them.



Its all HHH's decision. And I love it. He's starting to go back to some of the school ways of promoting wrestlers before just throwing them out there. :thumbsup
:thumbsup Look at the Mason Ryan debut, for example. The random, sudden monster debut is fine, if the worker is ready. Ryan wasn't ready. I guess it's a gamble that didn't work out, but still. The build-up helps getting the "unknowns" known.

[Speilmen230]

At least they added some variety, like The Rock with spit to the hand. Or Stone Cold shooting the bird to his opponent after he hit him with the Thez press or when stomping a mud hole in them.



Its all HHH's decision. And I love it. He's starting to go back to some of the school ways of promoting wrestlers before just throwing them out there. :thumbsup

If this is true then I am 100% behind him assuming control when vince leaves.

[comerelaxnow]

HHH will no doubt be great behind the scenes.

[comerelaxnow]

Ha...Swagger looked like Jericho walking out for a second

[kittensXLI]

They really can't move that microphone up higher for him? Really?

[Speilmen230]

hahahah... This is pretty entertaining. Jack needs to talk into the mic more.

[comerelaxnow]

I thought the old lady fron Titanic died a couple years ago?!?!?!?

[kittensXLI]

:lol Remember that time CM Punk dressed up as Jeff Hardy? That was amazing.

[Speilmen230]

:lol Remember that time CM Punk dressed up as Jeff Hardy? That was amazing.

Perfect example of a great PG storyline.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hopefully Sin Cara is booked a little stronger after being John Cena's partner than Evan Bourne was.

[Speilmen230]

that is a horrid makeup job. and i mean that in a good way. His foot looked disgusting.

[kittensXLI]

:lol I think Cole means "foot".

[kittensXLI]

Wow, that segment really had the potential to be among the worst in the last decade. Surprisingly, it went well.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Vince better give Stone Cold a call to get back on Raw as soon as possible.

[comerelaxnow]

that is a horrid makeup job. and i mean that in a good way. His foot looked disgusting.

Looks like Cole needs a little tough actin tinactin

[ant_marching41]

Cole is one of the best things on Raw, but he's gotta work on the repetitiveness badly.

[kittensXLI]

Cole is one of the best things on Raw, but he's gotta work on the repetitiveness badly.
This times a million. He's afraid of the breaks inbetween speaking, so he just repeats his previous line 18 times. It's obviously really bad. But that's the only thing I'd change. Get that fixed and we're in business.

[kittensXLI]

Josh Matthews to save the announcing day. JR and King are miserable.

[comerelaxnow]

Who did Sheamus piss off in the back???

[Speilmen230]

i remember the Tea Party! that shit was gold.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Who did Sheamus piss off in the back???

Kevin Dunn.

[Rodey]

I love that black ref. Dude always sells it like a champ!

[hbktonyb]

JR sounds a lot better now than he did at Mania. He can call any show I watch. But I do really like Matthews, and I love Cole. King is completely washed up.

[Speilmen230]

Yeah Dunn apparently gave him the King Sheamus gimmick to make fun of him.

[kittensXLI]

Yeah, King has been washed up for a LONG time now, as far as announcing goes. Literally years and years.

Great to see CM Punk back on Raw, let alone in a main event, let alone in a singles match. If this match ends clean, it should be very quality.

[hbktonyb]

There is only one King...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90oYLAQHAY

[comerelaxnow]

Rare pic of Kane

http://nodq.com/features/238576951.shtml

[comerelaxnow]

There is only one King...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90oYLAQHAY

Umm i disagree.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAjHULaNy00&feature=related

at the 50 second mark.

[ant_marching41]

There is only one King...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90oYLAQHAY
:lol Notice the same confused look by the person on the receiving end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhocFemN9A&feature=related

[Rodey]

Punk's theme is so awesome.

[Speilmen230]

\_o__/

oh yeah

[Speilmen230]

\_o__/
...|
../ \


Edit: CM Punk needs to get a big push without Nexus at his side.

[hbktonyb]

:lol Notice the same confused look by the person on the receiving end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhocFemN9A&feature=related

:lol

BOOOOKAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

[Speilmen230]

I really like the team of Josh Matthews and Michael Cole.

Josh as PbP and Cole with the Color.

Too bad Cole would be amazing as a manager....

[kittensXLI]

Nice. Punk with the Kitchen Sink. What a lost move.

[Speilmen230]

Punk has quickly become my favorite WWE wrestler. He has it all.

[kittensXLI]

Punk is easily the best wrestler in the WWE. He quietly has been for a while now. He just doesn't get the attention someone like H or Undertaker does.

[Speilmen230]

Punk/Danielson would be off the chain.

[comerelaxnow]

This is where the WWE chamionship should be.

[kittensXLI]

Wow. Fantastic match. Every wrestler in the entire industry should have been taking notes.

[Speilmen230]

That was a very good match for TV. Not as good as their WM Match, but still a really solid match for TV.

[kittensXLI]

Punk/Danielson would be off the chain.
Check out their ROH match from like 2005 I think.

[Rodey]

I hate Orton's bullshit RKO's out of nowhere. They're just fucking stupid.

[Speilmen230]

Punk is awesome. NO IM NOT ALRIGHT!!!! NO!!! NO IM NOT ALRIGHT!!!

[hbktonyb]

Punk should be the top guy in the WWE right now. He is great.

[kittensXLI]

I hate Orton's bullshit RKO's out of nowhere. They're just fucking stupid.
:thumbsup Completely agree.

[comerelaxnow]

Punk should be the top guy in the WWE right now. He is great.

Agreed!!!

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fda6xIuR5ks

[Speilmen230]

best PPV theme of all time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egu203Fld94&feature=related

[DmBand801]

I hate Orton's bullshit RKO's out of nowhere. They're just fucking stupid.

I don't like Punk up and about about 20 seconds after said RKO.

[AndySlash]

best PPV theme of all time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egu203Fld94&feature=related


i had that tape. so bad. loved it when i was younger though.


tatanka!
buffalo!
tatanka!
buffalo!

i got native american blood in my veins and i fight
in the world wrestling federation...

i got native american blood in my veins and i fight
in the world wrestling federation...

i got native american blood in my veins and i fight
in the world wrestling federation...

[AndySlash]

executive producer: simon cowell

[JacobLovesYou]

well tonight was obviously a big set up night for next week. a bunch of characters got somewhat "made-over" before the new "season" per say starts. r-truth goes heel, they even say that it's the new dolph ziggler, michael cole becomes Sir Michael Cole (which i might be wrong, but i think that is going to be his gimmick for some time), sin cara gets a big push by cena, etc.

[kittensXLI]

well tonight was obviously a big set up night for next week. a bunch of characters got somewhat "made-over" before the new "season" per say starts. r-truth goes heel, they even say that it's the new dolph ziggler, michael cole becomes Sir Michael Cole (which i might be wrong, but i think that is going to be his gimmick for some time), sin cara gets a big push by cena, etc.
:thumbsup Next week should be good. Plus The Rock is appearing the following week after that.

[kittensXLI]

Are the top 5 best Canadian wrestlers of all-time Owen, Bret, Benoit, Edge, and Lance Storm?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Are the top 5 best Canadian wrestlers of all-time Owen, Bret, Benoit, Edge, and Lance Storm?

Abdullah the Butcher?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'd put Robert Roode in over Edge, but that's me. Hahahahaha.

[Speilmen230]

Are the top 5 best Canadian wrestlers of all-time Owen, Bret, Benoit, Edge, and Lance Storm?

I guess Jericho is discounted because he is Candian-American?

[kittensXLI]

I guess Jericho is discounted because he is Candian-American?
That's my fault. I didn't word that right. Posting at 3am will do that sometimes. He's still not retired/still active, so I didn't include him.

[Speilmen230]

Awesome news report that ESPN did a few years ago.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG-9jy7zBK8

[Doors Allan Coe]

Are the top 5 best Canadian wrestlers of all-time Owen, Bret, Benoit, Edge, and Lance Storm?

Boooo!!

No Abduallah the Butcher? No Pat Patterson?

Take out Owen and Storm and sub in Abby and Pat and you'll have a deal...

[kittensXLI]

Boooo!!

No Abduallah the Butcher? No Pat Patterson?

Take out Owen and Storm and sub in Abby and Pat and you'll have a deal...
Pat Patterson was LONG before my time.

I don't see any way Owen isn't in that group, though.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Pat Patterson was LONG before my time.

I don't see any way Owen isn't in that group, though.

I totally agree with Bret and Benoit. Even Edge I can see.

Owen was a great in ring worker. He might have ended up hold the WWE Title. But, personally I think both Abdullah and Patterson were better professional wrestlers.

You seem to be able to live with switching Storm to Abdullah.

Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Edge
Abdullah the Butcher
Owen / Patterson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Patterson_%28wrestler%29

"Pat Patterson debuted in Montreal, Quebec in 1958 as "Pretty Boy" Pat Patterson, an effeminate wrestler who wore red lipstick and pink trunks and was accompanied by his pet Poodle."

I say give me Patterson and we can make the list official.

[kittensXLI]

I totally agree with Bret and Benoit. Even Edge I can see.

Owen was a great in ring worker. He might have ended up hold the WWE Title. But, personally I think both Abdullah and Patterson were better professional wrestlers.

You seem to be able to live with switching Storm to Abdullah.

Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Edge
Abdullah the Butcher
Owen / Patterson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Patterson_%28wrestler%29

"Pat Patterson debuted in Montreal, Quebec in 1958 as "Pretty Boy" Pat Patterson, an effeminate wrestler who wore red lipstick and pink trunks and was accompanied by his pet Poodle."

I say give me Patterson and we can make the list official.
I'd feel more comfortable removing Edge than Owen. Owen's matches were always quality. I don't think Edge holding multiple World Titles should be the reason he's considered "better".

You'd have to sell Patterson to me more than that, lol. I think I know pretty much nothing about him besides his poor, thick accent and being the first ever IC Champion.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Did Rick Rude even have long hair w/o a mustache?

I remember him with long hair and a mustache. I remember him with short hair with and without the mustache. But, I can't ever remember long hair without the mustache? Anyone have any idea?

[Doors Allan Coe]

I'd feel more comfortable removing Edge than Owen. Owen's matches were always quality. I don't think Edge holding multiple World Titles should be the reason he's considered "better".

You'd have to sell Patterson to me more than that, lol. I think I know pretty much nothing about him besides his poor, thick accent and being the first ever IC Champion.

I prefer Edge over Owen mainly because of Edge's TLC days. Character and in ring wise I think Edge was better. Owen had quality matches. But, so did a lot of guys. I'm not even a huge Edge fan, I grew up watching Owen. But, overall Edge just seemed like more of a total package.

As for Patterson, he was Vince's right hand man since he bought the company. Patterson was with Vince for the 1st Wrestlemania all the way to today. It possible Patterson was actually at every single Wrestlemania ever... Other than Vince Mcmahon himself not many other people in the entire industry can say that.

[BotheDMBFan]

Pat Patterson was the man. Kittens, try to go back and watch some of his matches on youtube, dude had perfect form.

[kittensXLI]

Did Rick Rude even have long hair w/o a mustache?

I remember him with long hair and a mustache. I remember him with short hair with and without the mustache. But, I can't ever remember long hair without the mustache? Anyone have any idea?
Not that I know of. But there is this guy who frequents the same pizza parlor I do and he looks 100% identical to Rick Rude w/ short hair. One day I will take a picture of him and post it in here. I promise. Shot hair, mustache only, height, and build. He's a construction worker, and I think he drinks a lot. I'm also partially convinced he is in fact Rick Rude.

[kittensXLI]

I prefer Edge over Owen mainly because of Edge's TLC days. Character and in ring wise I think Edge was better. Owen had quality matches. But, so did a lot of guys. I'm not even a huge Edge fan, I grew up watching Owen. But, overall Edge just seemed like more of a total package.

As for Patterson, he was Vince's right hand man since he bought the company. Patterson was with Vince for the 1st Wrestlemania all the way to today. It possible Patterson was actually at every single Wrestlemania ever... Other than Vince Mcmahon himself not many other people in the entire industry can say that.
Well that I kind of knew. I meant more along the lines of Patterson's in-ring days.

King of Harts > Rated R Superstar, btw.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
* Match of the Year (1981) vs. Sgt. Slaughter in an Alley Fight on April 21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNJhTuYh-AI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Mp00X4DVw&feature=related

[kittensXLI]

Bo, you love Gene Okerlund, right? This should be your avatar : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HNNmwADhWBE/Spa-AvjdHTI/AAAAAAAAAa4/tlKOh4eXaO8/s1600-h/mean_gene_okerlund.png

[kittensXLI]

haha these are great : http://wgasig.blogspot.com/2009/08/simply-ravishing.html

[BotheDMBFan]

Bo, you love Gene Okerlund, right? This should be your avatar : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HNNmwADhWBE/Spa-AvjdHTI/AAAAAAAAAa4/tlKOh4eXaO8/s1600-h/mean_gene_okerlund.png

I can't stand Mean Gene.

[BotheDMBFan]

haha these are great : http://wgasig.blogspot.com/2009/08/simply-ravishing.html

I just wish there was one on there for Jake Roberts or Bret Hart.

[Speilmen230]

Downloaded TEW 2005 to give it a whirl. Oh. My. Word. this game is IN DEPTH. I mean this is WOW for Wrestling fans. The only think i dislike about the game is that it doesn't use real companies or real wrestlers. Everyone is made up. Other than that aspect if you could get into it and really work at it, i am sure it would blow EWR out of the water.

[kittensXLI]

Another Jericho classic : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-xfoQmLR1Y

[BotheDMBFan]

I've heard Chris has been owning DWTS.

[kittensXLI]

I've heard Chris has been owning DWTS.
He seriously has been. I think I've posted all his dances in here incase you haven't seen them.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm not one to watch men dance, but good for Chris. Part of me wants him to win because he owns, the other part of me wants him to lose so he can get back to the WWE ASAP.

[kittensXLI]

Who was the worst IC Champion ever? I have about 7 names in mind.

[kittensXLI]

I'm not one to watch men dance, but good for Chris. Part of me wants him to win because he owns, the other part of me wants him to lose so he can get back to the WWE ASAP.
Well, DWTS' season finale is May 24th I think. So it's not like he's being held captive that much longer assuming he makes it that far.

I don't think he's immediately going to go back to wrestling after DWTS anyway.

[BotheDMBFan]

I wonder if TNA will try to make a play for Jericho. I mean, I doubt he'd EVER go, but it'd be interesting to see.

[BotheDMBFan]

Who was the worst IC Champion ever? I have about 7 names in mind.

Part of me wants to say Santino, but at least he DID something with it. Carlito wasted his, so part of me wants to say him.

[kittensXLI]

I wonder if TNA will try to make a play for Jericho. I mean, I doubt he'd EVER go, but it'd be interesting to see.
If they were smart, they absolutely would.

Doesn't Hogan hate Jericho regardless?

He'd never, ever sign there anyway, but still.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't know if Hogan hates him. Bisch likes him I think, though I doubt it is mutual.

[kittensXLI]

Part of me wants to say Santino, but at least he DID something with it. Carlito wasted his, so part of me wants to say him.
Crap. I'm missing a ton of people. This list is going to be a lot longer than 7 people. Carlito is absolutely on it, though.

I don't know if Hogan hates him. Bisch likes him I think, though I doubt it is mutual.
I think him and EB are on good terms.

[BotheDMBFan]

Crap. I'm missing a ton of people. This list is going to be a lot longer than 7 people. Carlito is absolutely on it, though.


I think him and EB are on good terms.

Who do you have on your list now?

[BotheDMBFan]

I forgot Albert held the title.

[kittensXLI]

Who do you have on your list now?
top 20 worst IC Champions ever : (alphabetical order)
Ahmed Johnson
Albert
Carlito
Chyna
D'Lo Brown
Dean Douglas
Jeff Hardy
Kofi Kingston
Marc Mero
Marty Jannetty
Rey Mysterio
Rikishi
Road Dogg
Rob Van Dam
Santino Marella
Shelton Benjamin
Test
The Godfather
The Mountie
Umaga

[BotheDMBFan]

top 20 worst IC Champions ever : (alphabetical order)
Ahmed Johnson
Albert
Carlito
Chyna
D'Lo Brown
Dean Douglas
Jeff Hardy
Kofi Kingston
Marc Mero
Marty Jannetty
Rey Mysterio
Rikishi
Road Dogg
Rob Van Dam
Santino Marella
Shelton Benjamin
Test
The Godfather
The Mountie
Umaga

If we're going for a top 10, people I'd eliminate...

Harvey, Chyna, Shelton, Umaga, Rey, Kofi, RVD. The rest are tough. Santino at least DID something with his reign. Kind of.

[kittensXLI]

If we're going for a top 10, people I'd eliminate...

Harvey, Chyna, Shelton, Umaga, Rey, Kofi, RVD. The rest are tough. Santino at least DID something with his reign. Kind of.
I only added Shelton because I wanted an even 20 instead of 19. He was fine, actually. Here's some reigns and days numbers that probably should've been included :

Ahmed Johnson - 1 reign, 50 days
Albert - 1 reign, 27 days
Carlito - 1 reign, 90 days
Chyna - 2.5 reigns, 84 days
D'Lo Brown - 1 reign, 27 days
Dean Douglas - 1 reign, 0 days
Jeff Hardy - 4 reigns, 329 days
Kofi Kingston - 3 reigns, 192 days
Marc Mero - 1 reign, 28 days
Marty Jannetty - 1 reign, 20 days
Rey Mysterio - 2 reigns, 128 days
Rikishi - 1 reign, 14 days
Road Dogg - 1 reign, 14 days
Rob Van Dam - 6 reigns, 211 days
Santino Marella - 2 reigns, 162 days
Shelton Benjamin - 3 reigns, 354 days
Test - 1 reign, 13 days
The Godfather - 1 reign, 49 days
The Mountie - 1 reign, 2 days
Umaga - 2 reigns, 118 days

The bolded would be my top 12 worst.

[BotheDMBFan]

Godfather's reign was actually pretty good, I'd leave him out. D'Lo's at least lead to that awesome IC and Euro unification match.

[kittensXLI]

Godfather's reign was actually pretty good, I'd leave him out. D'Lo's at least lead to that awesome IC and Euro unification match.
The one Kurt Angle chose to erase from history so he could be the first ever Euro-continental Champion? :lol:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

The one Kurt Angle chose to erase from history so he could be the first ever Euro-continental Champion? :lol:lol

Yup, that one. Lol.

[kittensXLI]

Kurt was so amazing.

[BotheDMBFan]

Kurt was so amazing.

It's the "was" that makes me so sad.

[kittensXLI]

It's the "was" that makes me so sad.
inorite?

[BotheDMBFan]

Our sigs are the same, lawl.

[kittensXLI]

Our sigs are the same, lawl.
It's just too funny a quote about such an unfortunate event. Seeing Ric's azz also sucked.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm grateful to have been watching The National at that point.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I guess WWE confiscated a few signs on Monday. I saw the one that said "Ryder = Ratings".. they took that one and another one. I think it was "Push Ryder."

In other news... http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEwHfh1erSalpfjUvtO71y5_mEz2Tcp UHXGnT5yRe1m6FtpDP5&t=1

[Doors Allan Coe]

Downloaded TEW 2005 to give it a whirl. Oh. My. Word. this game is IN DEPTH. I mean this is WOW for Wrestling fans. The only think i dislike about the game is that it doesn't use real companies or real wrestlers. Everyone is made up. Other than that aspect if you could get into it and really work at it, i am sure it would blow EWR out of the water.

For legal reason they release it like that.

If you search TEW 2005 Mods or real world mods, you'll be able to play as real guys, complete with pictures!

[Speilmen230]

I guess WWE confiscated a few signs on Monday. I saw the one that said "Ryder = Ratings".. they took that one and another one. I think it was "Push Ryder."

In other news... http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEwHfh1erSalpfjUvtO71y5_mEz2Tcp UHXGnT5yRe1m6FtpDP5&t=1

TNA did the same thing outside the Arena on Sunday.

They had a small stack's worth. Dunno what all of em said, but i know one for sure said "Free Tickets = Why I am here", the guy in front of me had it and was decked out in Indy Gear.

[Speilmen230]

For legal reason they release it like that.

If you search TEW 2005 Mods or real world mods, you'll be able to play as real guys, complete with pictures!

I will think about doing that. It just looks like it has a really really big learning curve to it. I got EWR down in a matter of 20 or so minutes.

TEW seems like it will take a few hours just to get up and running, much less the hang of it.

I think i might dive into it this weekend.

[JacobLovesYou]

Coach is on twitter

[kittensXLI]

Coach is the man. I love seeing him on SC.

[Speilmen230]

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that TNA is going to be pushing the name "Impact" much more in the coming weeks, as company officials are testing a possible dropping of the "TNA" name in favor of the name "Impact."

If this is the extent of their effort to rebrand themselves than i have even less faith in them than i did before. (which was the equivalent to ROH getting a national TV deal).

[Doors Allan Coe]

I will think about doing that. It just looks like it has a really really big learning curve to it. I got EWR down in a matter of 20 or so minutes.

TEW seems like it will take a few hours just to get up and running, much less the hang of it.

I think i might dive into it this weekend.

Click the help file in the program. I know the 2010 one has great instructions for it's help file. It's complex, but way more interesting then EWR. Besically once you figure out EWR you do the same thing over and over to keep growing. TEW forces you to be creative.

[kittensXLI]

Click the help file in the program. I know the 2010 one has great instructions for it's help file. It's complex, but way more interesting then EWR. Besically once you figure out EWR you do the same thing over and over to keep growing. TEW forces you to be creative.
Who's your pick for worst IC Champion ever?

[BotheDMBFan]

I guess WWE confiscated a few signs on Monday. I saw the one that said "Ryder = Ratings".. they took that one and another one. I think it was "Push Ryder."

In other news... http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEwHfh1erSalpfjUvtO71y5_mEz2Tcp UHXGnT5yRe1m6FtpDP5&t=1

1. Fucking stupid.
2. Fucking awesome.

[jackisback24]

wouldnt shock me if either Rock or Taker go into the Hall this upcoming year.

They really need to put Mr. T or Lauper in the celebrity wing, but I guess T won't do it since Pete Rose went in.

[Speilmen230]

wouldnt shock me if either Rock or Taker go into the Hall this upcoming year.

They really need to put Mr. T or Lauper in the celebrity wing, but I guess T won't do it since Pete Rose went in.

Here are my respective picks:

28: Rock
29: Edge
30: Undertaker
31: HHH

Mr. T and Rose got beef?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Who's your pick for worst IC Champion ever?

Worst is tough.

Off the top of my head I would say Test or Dean Douglas.

I never enjoyed Tests, at all. So I think he stinks.

Dean Douglas, just because Shane Douglas wasn't the worst. His only title reign in the WWF was definitely terrible.

I'll go with Shane Douglas, because Test is much more forgettable. His reign is a blur. Dean Douglas though, You can watch the entire thing in like 20 minutes...

[Crush086]

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that TNA is going to be pushing the name "Impact" much more in the coming weeks, as company officials are testing a possible dropping of the "TNA" name in favor of the name "Impact."

If this is the extent of their effort to rebrand themselves than i have even less faith in them than i did before. (which was the equivalent to ROH getting a national TV deal).
UI guess it works to get rid of the TNA abbreviation. I always think of pron and tits and ass when I hear the TNA abbreviation, so realistically I thin kgetting rid of that abreviation would be a step in the right direction.

[Doors Allan Coe]

wouldnt shock me if either Rock or Taker go into the Hall this upcoming year.

They really need to put Mr. T or Lauper in the celebrity wing, but I guess T won't do it since Pete Rose went in.

They should put the Rock in and have Cena confront him during the ceremony!

[Speilmen230]

Click the help file in the program. I know the 2010 one has great instructions for it's help file. It's complex, but way more interesting then EWR. Besically once you figure out EWR you do the same thing over and over to keep growing. TEW forces you to be creative.

i think i will check that out. I was just completely overwhelmed when i picked a fed and ran with it. I had no idea where to start and i had no idea who was who and how over they were. The layout is more aesthetically pleasing but i don't know how user friendly it is.

I think i am going to search around and find the real world updates. Because i am already in October of my EWR and i am starting to get bored because, 1 booking a single match takes quite a long time with the forms and drop down menus, and 2 everything is in your head, there are no set out storylines or creative match types.

[BotheDMBFan]

Here are my respective picks:

28: Rock
29: Edge
30: Undertaker
31: HHH

Mr. T and Rose got beef?

My picks...

28. Lex Luger
29. Undertaker
30. The Rock
31. HHH

[Doors Allan Coe]

UI guess it works to get rid of the TNA abbreviation. I always think of pron and tits and ass when I hear the TNA abbreviation, so realistically I thin kgetting rid of that abreviation would be a step in the right direction.

I like that idea.

I M P A C T !

That's something interesting and different. Be Different! Fuck abbreviations!

[Crush086]

I'm just saying i htink it works better than sayikng TNA all night. I mean, who doesn't think ofpron when that's said?

I thought theyhd' go a bit further with the name change, but baby steps I supose..

Edit: I typo alot, cause I've got some a severe toothache needing surgery. I try to post littel when the night arrives because I lose functionality. I'm pretty bad right now.

[Speilmen230]

I may actually go ahead and say that HHH goes in at WM 29 as the top billing with Edge taking second billing. I just don't think Edge is a big enough name to take top billing for a Hall Of Fame class. Unless of course he has relatively large second bill name under him like Macho Man, Arn Anderson, Ultimate Warrior, or Paul Heyman.