Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Doors Allan Coe]

I'm just saying i htink it works better than sayikng TNA all night. I mean, who doesn't think ofpron when that's said?

I thought theyhd' go a bit further with the name change, but baby steps I supose.

I think IMPACT is great.

I'm dead serious too. I really like that. I'll be tuning in for the rebranding.

[kittensXLI]

UI guess it works to get rid of the TNA abbreviation. I always think of pron and tits and ass when I hear the TNA abbreviation, so realistically I thin kgetting rid of that abreviation would be a step in the right direction.
Impact Knockouts Tag Team Championship has such a good ring to it after all... :thumbsdow

But really, TNA should definitely change it's name from TNA to pretty much anything else. I'm surprised they don't just go to WCW or something with a different variant.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think Macho Man ever gets in. Ever.

[Speilmen230]

My picks...

28. Lex Luger
29. Undertaker
30. The Rock
31. HHH

No way, in my mind at least, that The Rock doesn't go in next year in Miami.

I could see Edge and Luger being paired up.

HHH and Taker will both have their own separate billings as the Main guys too.

[BotheDMBFan]

No way, in my mind at least, that The Rock doesn't go in next year in Miami.

I could see Edge and Luger being paired up.

HHH and Taker will both have their own separate billings as the Main guys too.

I just don't think you put in Rock when he preforms the night after.

[kittensXLI]

I like that idea.

I M P A C T !

That's something interesting and different. Be Different! Fuck abbreviations!
That's the problem. Deep down, TNA doesn't want to be different. They just want everyone to think they're different, while maintaining repeated ideas with washed up workers.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I don't think Macho Man ever gets in. Ever.

Wonder why? ;)

[BotheDMBFan]

Wonder why? ;)

He didn't share his coke with Vince.

[K3nTaKa0s]

The 4/18 edition of Tough Enough did a 1.53 rating with 2,196,000 viewers, so it dropped again. The replay that aired after Raw did a 1.16 rating with 1,568,000 viewers so the aggregate remained solid.

The 4/18 edition of Raw did a 3.1 rating, with 4.7 million viewers, which isn't good compared to recent shows. To make matters worse the show had a drop in viewership as the night went on as house one did a 3.19 and hour two did a 3.06.

Source: PWInsider

[Speilmen230]

I think IMPACT is great.

I'm dead serious too. I really like that. I'll be tuning in for the rebranding.

So what would you call it. IMPACT! Pro Wrestling..?

I would almost rather them go with Non-Stop Action Wrestling. NAW.

The problem with TNA is that it doesn't have wrestling in the abbreviation. So when you say TNA people have no clue what you are talking about other than maybe porn.

[Doors Allan Coe]

That's the problem. Deep down, TNA doesn't want to be different. They just want everyone to think they're different, while maintaining repeated ideas with washed up workers.

Well, I'm optimistic.

Pro Wrestling next progression is to mimic MMA. It mimicked Extreme Sports in the 90's.

I do think TNA stinks. But, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. changing your name isn't exactly something you do for no reason.

[Speilmen230]

I just don't think you put in Rock when he preforms the night after.

They did it with Flair, and it could also work if they show the HOF before Raw again.

[BotheDMBFan]

A lot of stuff went on this Monday. Playoffs, pot smoking, a certain Bo Pearson seeing Norm MacDonald live instead of watching Raw...

[Doors Allan Coe]

So what would you call it. IMPACT! Pro Wrestling..?

I would almost rather them go with Non-Stop Action Wrestling. NAW.

The problem with TNA is that it doesn't have wrestling in the abbreviation. So when you say TNA people have no clue what you are talking about other than maybe porn.

Yeah TNA is too sexual.

Impact! Sounds like a action packed hour of wrestling. I'll 100% tune in IF they advertise a re-launch.

[Doors Allan Coe]

He didn't share his coke with Vince.

:evil

you think that's it?

[kittensXLI]

So what would you call it. IMPACT! Pro Wrestling..?

I would almost rather them go with Non-Stop Action Wrestling. NAW.

The problem with TNA is that it doesn't have wrestling in the abbreviation. So when you say TNA people have no clue what you are talking about other than maybe porn.
Impact Pro Wrestling already exists, but yeah. TNA is a horrible name.

[BotheDMBFan]

:evil

you think that's it?

The him molesting Steph apparently is total bullshit, so I have no idea what it is.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Impact Pro Wrestling already exists, but yeah. TNA is a horrible name.

Hopefully they drop the Pro Wrestling.

Impact! is enough.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The him molesting Steph apparently is total bullshit, so I have no idea what it is.

:rolleyes

[BotheDMBFan]

:rolleyes

Quest-ce que cest?

[Speilmen230]

Well, I'm optimistic.

Pro Wrestling next progression is to mimic MMA. It mimicked Extreme Sports in the 90's.

I do think TNA stinks. But, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. changing your name isn't exactly something you do for no reason.

The idea of mimicking MMA that you posted a number of pages back was awesome on Paper.

Brand themselves as a REAL wrestling company. Don't do screwy finishes, and have it be cut and dry wins and loss records for the workers. They are on the same Network as the biggest MMA company on the planet right now, so why not go for it?

Work stiff main event matches, and have blood during the appropriate matches, and make the product have some attitude.

Make it into a true Wrestling product, with storylines that link the matches together and have the product be LOGICAL. Make it 'competition' based.

[BotheDMBFan]

It's hard to be "logical" when the people running the company seemingly lack real-world logic.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The idea of mimicking MMA that you posted a number of pages back was awesome on Paper.

Brand themselves as a REAL wrestling company. Don't do screwy finishes, and have it be cut and dry wins and loss records for the workers. They are on the same Network as the biggest MMA company on the planet right now, so why not go for it?

Work stiff main event matches, and have blood during the appropriate matches, and make the product have some attitude.

Make it into a true Wrestling product, with storylines that link the matches together and have the product be LOGICAL. Make it 'competition' based.

Exactly.

It's a simple concept. Not only is it less complex than what they do now, but it utilizes the best part of TNA (IMPACT!) the awesome workers they have.

They should have a screwjob title change, then the title is vacated. They take a week off TV, do a studio show talking about Impact! and the upcoming title tourney. On the following Impact! TV hold the 8 man tournament and hold off the finals until the re-launch Impact! PPV.

RVD v. AJ Styles? I'd consider buying that in hopes of the best match in history.

[Speilmen230]

My vision would be to have guys like AJ, Kurt, Daniels, Roode, Storm, Morgan, Alex Shelly, Chris Saban, & (an in shape) Samoa Joe, be their top tier guys.

These are their best workers and these are the guys who would be able to/can work stiff matches and sell really well.

I think you keep the core of pro-wrestling, Win by Pin-Fall and Submission and it is a match not Rounds, BUT you add the element of KO and Referee Stoppage.

KOs and TKOs would be great feud builders.

[kittensXLI]

Honestly, I'd never buy an RVD match. Doesn't matter who his opponent is. Styles/Daniels or Styles/Angle would be both more realistic and more enjoyable.

[Speilmen230]

The other thing they could do is maybe try and strike up a deal with ROH for them to share talent. Use it as their farm league. IMPACT! already signs their best talent from ROH so why not try and do it on a business level.

I think if they were to do this, they would have more vets interested in their company. (on and off screen vets)

I know everybody aren't big fans of these two, but bringing in guys like Batista & Lashley who are big MMA buffs, will give you some notoriety and name-sake for your 'New' company.

[kittensXLI]

I disagree with all of that.

[Speilmen230]

I disagree with all of that.

Explain? ROH has some of the best indy workers in the country. Why not try and get them signed on to your company so you can get their talent for a discounted price?

A shortlist of ROH Alumni:

Abyss
AJ Styles
Alex Shelley
Brian Danielson
Colt Cabana
Chris Sabin
Christopher Daniels
CM Punk
Doug Williams
Jay Lethal
Low Ki
Samoa Joe

the full list can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ring_of_Honor_alumni

[Speilmen230]

It's hard to be "logical" when the people running the company seemingly lack real-world logic.

Excellent Point Bo.

Might be better just to fire your entire creative team and bring in JR and Paul Heyman to book and run the show, then have them bring in their own people.


Although this is completely hypothetical and has a 5% chance of happening, it would be better than what they currently have.

[kittensXLI]

Explain? ROH has some of the best indy workers in the country. Why not try and get them signed on to your company so you can get their talent for a discounted price?

A shortlist of ROH Alumni:

Abyss
AJ Styles
Alex Shelley
Brian Danielson
Colt Cabana
Chris Sabin
Christopher Daniels
CM Punk
Doug Williams
Jay Lethal
Low Ki
Samoa Joe

the full list can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ring_of_Honor_alumni
I know all about ROH, thanks.

TNA has been sharing and taking their talent since TNA first opened. ROH guys now either stick with ROH, or shoot for WWE. Bringing in "MMA" guys like Batista and Lashley has zero notoriety. They were terrible in the WWE and would be terrible in TNA too.

[kittensXLI]

Excellent Point Bo.

Might be better just to fire your entire creative team and bring in JR and Paul Heyman to book and run the show, then have them bring in their own people.


Although this is completely hypothetical and has a 5% chance of happening, it would be better than what they currently have.
JR and Heyman would never, ever, ever work. First of all, they don't even like each other. Secondly, Vince will lock up JR and let him rot before giving him the chance to go to TNA. Thirdly, Heyman isn't going to TNA unless he gets absolute control over anything he pleases, which only "rebranding" doesn't even begin to provide.

Heyman would go to TNA if it had samplings of MMA, because he himself likes MMA. If he gets the power he desires, he can fix them, from a creative standpoint.

[Speilmen230]

I know all about ROH, thanks.

TNA has been sharing and taking their talent since TNA first opened. ROH guys now either stick with ROH, or shoot for WWE. Bringing in "MMA" guys like Batista and Lashley has zero notoriety. They were terrible in the WWE and would be terrible in TNA too.

Well you could have been a little more specific Mr. Bitter.

But if you don't think that Lashley and Batista would bring in some fans, then i really don't know what to say. Batista was a huge draw in WWE, and Lashley was not as big of a draw but he was not 'terrible' in the ring.

Even though they would have this brand new concept, they would need big names to sell it and push it. Stick Flair, Hogan, Bischoff, & Tazz in managerial positions to push certain guys. Especially ones who lack in the mic department.


But clearly that would be a horrible idea because it includes Hogan, Flair, & Bischoff.

[GrooGrux420]

Well this sucks, it looks like I won't be able to hit any WWE this year. As of now, I can't Raw due to cousin's graduation, and Rams/Cowboys are playing Oct 23rd which is the night as Bragging Rights. :shrug

[Speilmen230]

JR and Heyman would never, ever, ever work. First of all, they don't even like each other. Secondly, Vince will lock up JR and let him rot before giving him the chance to go to TNA. Thirdly, Heyman isn't going to TNA unless he gets absolute control over anything he pleases, which only "rebranding" doesn't even begin to provide.

Heyman would go to TNA if it had samplings of MMA, because he himself likes MMA. If he gets the power he desires, he can fix them, from a creative standpoint.

Proof of JR and Heyman not liking each other?


and like i said in my post, i give it a 5% chance of happening and it WOULD be giving them COMPLETE control in every facet of the company.

[kittensXLI]

Well you could have been a little more specific Mr. Bitter.

But if you don't think that Lashley and Batista would bring in some fans, then i really don't know what to say. Batista was a huge draw in WWE, and Lashley was not as big of a draw but he was not 'terrible' in the ring.

Even though they would have this brand new concept, they would need big names to sell it and push it. Stick Flair, Hogan, Bischoff, & Tazz in managerial positions to push certain guys. Especially ones who lack in the mic department.


But clearly that would be a horrible idea because it includes Hogan, Flair, & Bischoff.
They won't do that. Any "rebranding" that keeps guys like hogan, Buschoff, Flair, etc in the headlines will not work.

[kittensXLI]

Proof of JR and Heyman not liking each other?


and like i said in my post, i give it a 5% chance of happening and it WOULD be giving them COMPLETE control in every facet of the company.
I don't have a link, but it's rather common knowledge, barring some sort of reconciliation in recent history that no one knows about. JR has said multiple times he doesn't think Heyman will go back to the pro wrestling world either. A lot of this stuff he answers constantly in his blogs.

Hogan, Bischoff, Flair, etc won't mix with Heyman in complete control either. So I'd imagine it'd probably be one side or the other. Obviously the Heyman side would be more interesting to me.

[Speilmen230]

If it came down to Heyman having complete control or Hogan/Flair/Bischoff being involved in the company than i take Heyman in a heartbeat. He is a genius promoter and is great a ripping off ideas and concepts. I would just hire a separate money man, because Heyman is a terrible business man.

[kittensXLI]

If it came down to Heyman having complete control or Hogan/Flair/Bischoff being involved in the company than i take Heyman in a heartbeat. He is a genius promoter and is great a ripping off ideas and concepts. I would just hire a separate money man, because Heyman is a terrible business man.
Yes, but it doesn't seem TNA would agree. Not at this point in time, at least.

[Speilmen230]

Dixie only thinks whatever the people she trusts tell her. And those people include Hogan, Bischoff, & Jarrett.

[K3nTaKa0s]

What exactly has Heyman done that makes people so fond of him?

[kittensXLI]

:lol Funny sign from Raw : http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=o8rvb.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[jackisback24]

What exactly has Heyman done that makes people so fond of him?
He popularized the garbage style gimmick matches that Onita did with FMW and Memphis years earlier did with entertaining TV. Unfortunately he also burned through mucho money and utilized wrestlers credit cards to do so. He'd be an upgrade from Russo, no doubt and would have logical storytelling but Papa Carter would give Dixie a timeout 6 months into the project after the money Heyman would go through.

Can't wait for the Brock book, though as I don't think Paul E. had a lot of input.:D:thumbsup

[jackisback24]

HHH will have influence on the Hall and not sure of the relations he has with Macho. If the Steph stuff is BS then maybe he gets in.

T doesn't like Rose due to the betting.

[kittensXLI]

I used to hate this guy but he's so awesome now :

http://yfrog.com/6xcwaz

http://yfrog.com/5s67qz

http://yfrog.com/5e3cuz

http://yfrog.com/16ndnz

http://yfrog.com/1qoy0z

Rodey would appreciate it.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Perry Saturn should've been a Horseman over Dean Malenko.

[gocubsgo3822]

Does anyone think there are going to be any major smackdown to raw changes?

[Speilmen230]

Does anyone think there are going to be any major smackdown to raw changes?

Orton to SD!


you heard it here first. :thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

Dean Malenko is the greatest in ring wrestler of all time.

Too bad he had the personality of a fucking blank piece of paper.

[BotheDMBFan]

Orton to SD!


you heard it here first. :thumbsup

You think they'll bury Orton to SD! ?

Side note: Get on either AIM or fb chat.

[gocubsgo3822]

i hope they dont put orton to SD...

[JacobLovesYou]

orton to SD
sheamus to SD

just guessing. i think they put orton on SD and give him a huge heavyweight championship push with edge gone.

sheamus needs to go to SD so he can become main event relevant again. i really like sheamus.

[BotheDMBFan]

They need to split up Nexus and CORRE.

[gocubsgo3822]

why do people think orton is going to SD? I can see Sheamus going so he can wreck face there? But orton is hands down one of their top guys. Cant imagine them burying him to SD

[K3nTaKa0s]

Sheamus and Morrison are definitely headed to Smackdown.

[GrooGrux420]

why do people think orton is going to SD? I can see Sheamus going so he can wreck face there? But orton is hands down one of their top guys. Cant imagine them burying him to SD

Thats just it, he wouldn't be buried. In Raw he is overshadowed by a super crowded upper card. I'm sure he will get a nice kickback from Vince because of the additional merch he will sell. There is no one else of his caliber that could fill the shoes of both Edge AND Taker (except maybe Jericho).

[K3nTaKa0s]

Orton needs a complete character overhaul, more than a brand switch.

[GrooGrux420]

TNA needs a complete overhaul, more than a brand switch.

Fixed. :lol

[gocubsgo3822]

Thats just it, he wouldn't be buried. In Raw he is overshadowed by a super crowded upper card. I'm sure he will get a nice kickback from Vince because of the additional merch he will sell. There is no one else of his caliber that could fill the shoes of both Edge AND Taker (except maybe Jericho).

i would be pretty pissed if he went to SD. i dont watch SD. i dont think i get sci fi... Yea his character needs an overhaul but he doesnt need to go there

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe he could overhaul the character on SD, while also being THE man.,

[BotheDMBFan]

Dream matches we'll never see...go!

[GrooGrux420]

i would be pretty pissed if he went to SD. i dont watch SD. i dont think i get sci fi... Yea his character needs an overhaul but he doesnt need to go there

That kind of the point. To get more people too watch Smackdown.

[Speilmen230]

Dream matches we'll never see...go!

HBK/Rock

Steamboat/HBK

Steamboat/Angle

Savage/Angle

Savage/HBK

Sting/HBK

Sting/HHH

Sting/Jericho

Danielson/HHH

Danielson/HBK

Danielson/Jericho

[BotheDMBFan]

God I dislike tag team matches 95% of the time.

[2steppinKJ]

It's just too funny a quote about such an unfortunate event. Seeing Ric's azz also sucked.

I wish I'd added a Woooo!! on the end of it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Hogan v Andre at WM III was fucking shitty as fuck.

[Doors Allan Coe]

He popularized the garbage style gimmick matches that Onita did with FMW and Memphis years earlier did with entertaining TV. Unfortunately he also burned through mucho money and utilized wrestlers credit cards to do so. He'd be an upgrade from Russo, no doubt and would have logical storytelling but Papa Carter would give Dixie a timeout 6 months into the project after the money Heyman would go through.




Well that is possibly the single worst explanation of what makes Paul Heyman so great.

[Rodey]

I can't wait for Alberto Del Rio's retirement party for Edge on Smackdown this week. That has some serious potential.

[jackisback24]

Dean Malenko is the greatest in ring wrestler of all time.

Too bad he had the personality of a fucking blank piece of paper.
a blank piece of paper would be boring, but a fucking blank piece of paper --- well, shit I gotta see that.

[jackisback24]

Well that is possibly the single worst explanation of what makes Paul Heyman so great.
hahah. He can cut a promo and get people over with good gimmicks.:thumbsup

[kittensXLI]

Joey Styles would make a good Raw GM.

[Doors Allan Coe]

hahah. He can cut a promo and get people over with good gimmicks.:thumbsup

Here is my answer as to why Heyman is so great.

Heyman financially didn't run ECW well. Don't forget they were a regional promotion trying to compete with 2 international promotions. Hell even Vince almost went bankrupt in the late 90's and WCW lost money for YEARS.

Until TNN, ECW made money selling tickets, t-shirts, and ppvs. Signing with TNN changed all that. They were forced to spend more money. WCW was run much more terribly than ECW.

Heyman let's workers do what they do best. He never came up with a character and tried to mold a guy to replicate the character. He took the talent he had and molded characters around the peoples best qualities. Wrestling has always been about blurring the line between reality and fiction. Heyman not only built ECW around that concept but he helped build the careers of the workers.

As of now TNA just purges top uncontracted talent in an attempt to draw interest. Heyman never did that. He has the uncanny ability to make chicken shit into chicken salad. While Vince Russo has the uncanny ability to make gold into the drizzling shits.

Capitalize on a workers positives and try to downplay his weaknesses. That is wrestling 101. It's not sports entertainment 101 I guess, but that wrestling 101.

[Rodey]

I hope they ditch the Anonymous GM thing with the draft. It's beyond played out.

[hbktonyb]

And I quote. "It's beyond played out."

[Speilmen230]

Here is my answer as to why Heyman is so great.

Heyman financially didn't run ECW well. Don't forget they were a regional promotion trying to compete with 2 international promotions. Hell even Vince almost went bankrupt in the late 90's and WCW lost money for YEARS.

Until TNN, ECW made money selling tickets, t-shirts, and ppvs. Signing with TNN changed all that. They were forced to spend more money. WCW was run much more terribly than ECW.

Heyman let's workers do what they do best. He never came up with a character and tried to mold a guy to replicate the character. He took the talent he had and molded characters around the peoples best qualities. Wrestling has always been about blurring the line between reality and fiction. Heyman not only built ECW around that concept but he helped build the careers of the workers.

As of now TNA just purges top uncontracted talent in an attempt to draw interest. Heyman never did that. He has the uncanny ability to make chicken shit into chicken salad. While Vince Russo has the uncanny ability to make gold into the drizzling shits.

Capitalize on a workers positives and try to downplay his weaknesses. That is wrestling 101. It's not sports entertainment 101 I guess, but that wrestling 101.

To paraphrase a quote from Heyman: "Hide the negatives, Accentuate the Positives"

'We don't have enough money for fancy arenas and nice lighting? FUCK THE ARENAS AND THE LIGHTS! WE DON'T NEED EM!'

[Speilmen230]

Here is the link to him saying accentuate the positives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7StcgdPBi8#t=02m08s

[JacobLovesYou]

From The Rocks twitter:

Welcome my bud @TheCoachESPN to Twitter. How's it feel? IT DOESNT MATTER HOW IT FEELS YOU BALD HERMAPHRODITE!

[AndySlash]

i definitely think orton is going to smackdown. it was my first thought on hearing the draft was happening next week. he will get to be the guy there. i'd also like sheamus to move over.

[JacobLovesYou]

Hogan v Andre at WM III was fucking shitty as fuck.
the goal wasn't to invent the wheel there. it is one of the biggest moments in wrestling because it is what it is. hogan bodyslamming andre was literally the shot heard round the world for wrestling in terms of appeal.
I can't wait for Alberto Del Rio's retirement party for Edge on Smackdown this week. That has some serious potential.

:thumbsup:thumbsup it has TONS of potential. i've said it before but del rio is one of, if not my favorite wrestler right now.

[BotheDMBFan]

the goal wasn't to invent the wheel there. it is one of the biggest moments in wrestling because it is what it is. hogan bodyslamming andre was literally the shot heard round the world for wrestling in terms of appeal.

Yeah, I know. At the same time, it's just such a let down after seeing Steamboat v Savage.

[kittensXLI]

Apparently a rumored name for "The Network" :

Mick Foley

[davidhamrick10]

Maybe bring Rhodes over to Raw in exchange for Sheamus?

[BotheDMBFan]

Apparently a rumored name for "The Network" :

Mick Foley

God I wish he could get out of that shit hole.

[kittensXLI]

God I wish he could get out of that shit hole.
No one's stopping him.

I don't want him in the 'E anyway.

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe bring Rhodes over to Raw in exchange for Sheamus?

Maybe have Ted go to Smackdown and actually...do something.

[BotheDMBFan]

No one's stopping him.

I don't want him in the 'E anyway.

I think he's signed with them for a few years.

I wouldn't mind him in the E as the GM or something. I don't want him wrestling ever again though. I wouldn't mind him as a writer, either. He's got such a great knowledge of wrestling history, and how things SHOULD go.

[kittensXLI]

I don't think Cody is moving since his feud with Rey hasn't finished.

Ted is unquestionably going to SD. I don't see how 2 of the following aren't going to SD, if not all 3 - Ted, Sheamus, Danielson.

[kittensXLI]

I think he's signed with them for a few years.

I wouldn't mind him in the E as the GM or something. I don't want him wrestling ever again though. I wouldn't mind him as a writer, either. He's got such a great knowledge of wrestling history, and how things SHOULD go.
Well that's the thing, I think his contract is about to end. Or it just ended. There's an interview or two where he said he has nothing to do there, etc.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think Cody is moving since his feud with Rey hasn't finished.

Ted is unquestionably going to SD. I don't see how 2 of the following aren't going to SD, if not all 3 - Ted, Sheamus, Danielson.

Is Dolph basically on Raw now anyways?

Also, it's a damn shame they can't exile Truth over the SD.

[kittensXLI]

Is Dolph basically on Raw now anyways?

Also, it's a damn shame they can't exile Truth over the SD.
Yeah, Dolph has been official to Raw for a while now.

[BotheDMBFan]

I can't believe it was him and not Dykstra that made it big out of Spirit Squad.

[kittensXLI]

I can't believe it was him and not Dykstra that made it big out of Spirit Squad.
:lol Seriously. Agreed 100%. Never would have guessed it'd end up this way.

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol Seriously. Agreed 100%. Never would have guessed it'd end up this way.

I mean, good, because Dykstra looked like a cross between a foot, a pelican, and a lesbian. Still though.

[kittensXLI]

I mean, good, because Dykstra looked like a cross between a foot, a pelican, and a lesbian. Still though.
He wasn't that bad.

Besides, he uses the RK-Doane as a finish. True story.

[BotheDMBFan]

He was good in the ring, just ugly as dirt.

[kittensXLI]

This isn't The First Thing You Notice About The Opposite Sex thread so don't worry about his uggo face.

[BotheDMBFan]

Side note: people on Millionaire are fucking retarded.

[kittensXLI]

Side note: people on Millionaire are fucking retarded.
:confused

[BotheDMBFan]

:confused

Game shows, I like em.

[GrooGrux420]

Here is my answer as to why Heyman is so great.

Heyman financially didn't run ECW well. Don't forget they were a regional promotion trying to compete with 2 international promotions. Hell even Vince almost went bankrupt in the late 90's and WCW lost money for YEARS.

Until TNN, ECW made money selling tickets, t-shirts, and ppvs. Signing with TNN changed all that. They were forced to spend more money. WCW was run much more terribly than ECW.

Heyman let's workers do what they do best. He never came up with a character and tried to mold a guy to replicate the character. He took the talent he had and molded characters around the peoples best qualities. Wrestling has always been about blurring the line between reality and fiction. Heyman not only built ECW around that concept but he helped build the careers of the workers.

As of now TNA just purges top uncontracted talent in an attempt to draw interest. Heyman never did that. He has the uncanny ability to make chicken shit into chicken salad. While Vince Russo has the uncanny ability to make gold into the drizzling shits.

Capitalize on a workers positives and try to downplay his weaknesses. That is wrestling 101. It's not sports entertainment 101 I guess, but that wrestling 101.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I mean shit, he made New Jack look good. :lol

[jackisback24]

Here is my answer as to why Heyman is so great.

Heyman financially didn't run ECW well. Don't forget they were a regional promotion trying to compete with 2 international promotions. Hell even Vince almost went bankrupt in the late 90's and WCW lost money for YEARS.

Until TNN, ECW made money selling tickets, t-shirts, and ppvs. Signing with TNN changed all that. They were forced to spend more money. WCW was run much more terribly than ECW.

Heyman let's workers do what they do best. He never came up with a character and tried to mold a guy to replicate the character. He took the talent he had and molded characters around the peoples best qualities. Wrestling has always been about blurring the line between reality and fiction. Heyman not only built ECW around that concept but he helped build the careers of the workers.

As of now TNA just purges top uncontracted talent in an attempt to draw interest. Heyman never did that. He has the uncanny ability to make chicken shit into chicken salad. While Vince Russo has the uncanny ability to make gold into the drizzling shits.

Capitalize on a workers positives and try to downplay his weaknesses. That is wrestling 101. It's not sports entertainment 101 I guess, but that wrestling 101.

I guess you never saw the Wrestling School Dropout character that he came up with when he booked Savoldi's ICW before ECW.:lol

But he did usher in and popularize the small-good worker genre with Mysterio, Psychosis, Benoit, Eddy, Malenko, etc. that WCW raided and created great television. It was niche TV with Joey Styles over-hyping everything, some great TV matches, some garbage stuff, but one entertaining 60 minute program that has left a legacy, both good and bad in the history of wrestling.

[BotheDMBFan]

Scott Hall was actually good at one point? Holy shit.

[jackisback24]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170627095251

[BotheDMBFan]

Holy hell does the WM 2000 triple threat tag team ladder match not hold up with age.

[jackisback24]

Holy hell does the WM 2000 triple threat tag team ladder match not hold up with age.
does your sig hold up with age?:lol


Whooooo!

[BotheDMBFan]

does your sig hold up with age?:lol


Whooooo!

I heard it was very sexy.

Bubba Ray may be the most untalented successful wrestler of all time.

[kittensXLI]

Bubba Ray may be the most untalented successful wrestler of all time.
Naw broski, TNA is making him into a title contender!!!!

[BotheDMBFan]

1/2 of the people in this triple threat ladder match dealie became world champs at one point. None were Dudley's. Lol.

[BotheDMBFan]

It's funny because D'Von was the one who had the modicum of talent.

[kittensXLI]

1/2 of the people in this triple threat ladder match dealie became world champs at one point. None were Dudley's. Lol.
What are you watching? Link?

[BotheDMBFan]

What are you watching? Link?

History of Wrestlemania DVD. They really missed out on adding some great matches (Bret Hart isn't included AT ALL. Shawn v Taker isn't on here. They put on the crappy Cena v H match as opposed to Cena v HBK...or just have no Cena at all.) Only one match truly doesn't belong though, the Vince v Shane match. At least they didn't have a Rock v Austin match, their WM stuff kinda sucked.

[BotheDMBFan]

Heyman was such a better commentator than Ross, it's painful to hear him outclass him.

[Speilmen230]

Heyman is probably one of the most underrated Wrestling Minds of all time. IMO. Guy knows wtf he is talking about.

[JRS1386]

I hate Heyman's voice, but I think thats part of his charm

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Heyman's voice, and pretty much his everything except him not knowing how to work a dollar.

[jackisback24]

I hate Heyman's voice, but I think thats part of his charm
He sounds like Piper on crack. Like a used car salesman.

[BotheDMBFan]

He sounds like Piper on crack. Like a used car salesman.

Kinda sexy, huh?

[Speilmen230]

Heyman has an awesome Evil Authority voice for wrestling. Great for cutting promos.

[kittensXLI]

I would take Heyman right now over JR in his prime. I'd forever take Heyman over JR. Not even a question.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rock v Hogan, two of the most overrated wrestlers of all time, might be one of the most exciting matches I have ever seen. For srs.

[Doors Allan Coe]

These are two memories that stand out to me about ECW and Paul Heyman. First is the ECW TV episode in which he announces that ECW will indeed be on PPV. Even though it was all over the internet, I literally remember clapping while watching this at like 2am. The second video is the opening montage for Barely Legal. It's a typical ECW highlight video. But for many fans this was the FIRST time they actually were able to watch ECW.

Paul Heyman promo from ECW TV prior to Barely Legal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWoJKShIifU&feature=related

ECW Barely Legal PPV Opening Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOBGd8q08OY&feature=related

Honestly, how great is this shit? Look at the crowd. They are captivated. God I miss the original ECW. Heyman was amazing.

[BotheDMBFan]

Have you ever gotten to work with Paul?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Have you ever gotten to work with Paul?

Nope.

My list of guys I want to meet is short but he's on it.

Hogan, Savage, Heyman, Raven.

I don't really even want to meet Hogan. But, after a beer with Flair I really want to hit the gas with Hogan.

edit:
gas as in steroids
it didn't mean it as a joke about his sons driving ability
edit 2:
that's a joke too. I'm not into sharing needles with Hogan.

[BotheDMBFan]

We need more about this beer with Flair story.

[Speilmen230]

Doors, i think we would all love for you to share a wrestling memoir with us like once a week or something like that.

[jackisback24]

These are two memories that stand out to me about ECW and Paul Heyman. First is the ECW TV episode in which he announces that ECW will indeed be on PPV. Even though it was all over the internet, I literally remember clapping while watching this at like 2am. The second video is the opening montage for Barely Legal. It's a typical ECW highlight video. But for many fans this was the FIRST time they actually were able to watch ECW.

Paul Heyman promo from ECW TV prior to Barely Legal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWoJKShIifU&feature=related

ECW Barely Legal PPV Opening Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOBGd8q08OY&feature=related

Honestly, how great is this shit? Look at the crowd. They are captivated. God I miss the original ECW. Heyman was amazing.

so did you hit your scratchie in Shreveport or Spain?

[BotheDMBFan]

Once a day is more like it, lol.

[kittensXLI]

So apparently Ziggler is really being credited with a WHC win and reign of 0 days. I'm choosing to personally ignore that. He never even touched the belt. Edge also shouldn't be a 7 time WHC (11 total), but 6 and 10 combined.

[jackisback24]

I met Paul Heyman a couple of times. Once after either the 1990 or 1991 Baltimore Bash where a bunch of newsletter readers and writers got together and discussed the business. Very cool. And he said it was the night that Sid was supposed to win the NWA title but it was changed, I believe since he was leaving for Vince. Might have been 1991. I also met him after an ECW show in Boston while I was working at a radio station. Cool guy, introduced me to Taz and we talked about the business.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ziggler is awesome.

[kittensXLI]

Ziggler is awesome.
I love Ziggler. But I hate crap like that.

[BotheDMBFan]

I love Ziggler. But I hate crap like that.

I'm sure he'll get a couple legit ones down the line.

[Doors Allan Coe]

so did you hit your scratchie in Shreveport or Spain?

Neither. I scratched it at work around 11. Then took a 1/2 a personal day and cashed it in.

[Doors Allan Coe]

We need more about this beer with Flair story.

Eh, it's nothing crazy. It was a couple years ago when his son Reid was doing shows. He was on a few shows I was filming. I didn't really get too personal with him. We watched the show from a monitor in back. I was filming some DVD extras so once the show gets going I have time to dick around. Here is actual footage from the night. You can see a vintage version of me decked out in a tuxedo.

http://www.youtube.com/user/reallybigproductions#p/u/23/lYPkWj6qZYQ

But, do you guys remember recently when George Steele almost got killed at an indy show?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXPj2B-UFE&feature=fvsr

We all thought he was fucking dead. Ironically at this show I had to get Steele from the Meet and Greet DOWNSTAIRS to the locker room then UPSTAIRS to the ring. HE literally walked up the stairs backwards because of his knees. Even after the show he was a great guy. Told stories grabbed a bite to eat. But, we used to produce the DVD before Highspots, but after Smart Marks. But, Once I started Grad school I had to cut back on all the shows. I still go to a few every tour.


Oh and did anyone hear about the show a couple weeks ago where Scott Hall showed up all fucked up??

[Doors Allan Coe]

Here is a video we filmed the same night I think. It featured Robbie E from TNA. At this point he was still "The Platimun Papa" Rob Eckos. I think this was a one take wonder.

http://www.youtube.com/user/reallybigproductions#p/u/20/wY7_0p_qkaw

The show turned out great. Here are the highlights. Birthday Cake smashing! 2x4s! Jim Duggan! Great local talent!

http://www.youtube.com/user/reallybigproductions#p/u/18/MY33-hAVozA

What do you think?

[2steppinKJ]

Heyman has an awesome Evil Authority voice for wrestling. Great for cutting promos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vswZ73WETpc

I came across this a couple of nights ago. :thumbsup

[JacobLovesYou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08NKNk6al38&NR=1

massive, massive balls

[kittensXLI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08NKNk6al38&NR=1

massive, massive balls
My favorite Moonsault ever. Ever.

[kittensXLI]

Benoit's headbutt from that match : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQKX6UgSYY

[comerelaxnow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08NKNk6al38&NR=1

massive, massive balls

Can you imagine Evan Bornes move off of the top of a cage??? I say move singular obvioulsy because its his only move...but still...

[JRS1386]

I wish Kane still had his mask on

[kittensXLI]

http://www.youtube.com/longislandicedz

[Speilmen230]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vswZ73WETpc

I came across this a couple of nights ago. :thumbsup

One of the single best promo's of all time.

[kittensXLI]

Episode 10 is up! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBstw8dz-Ok

[Rodey]

I wish Kane still had his mask on

I think we all do. :lol

[JRS1386]

I think we all do. :lol

He was my favorite wrestler growing up. He was such a force and such a bad ass. I didn't even mind the letting him talk after a while, but he needs the mask and the awesome suit.

Kaneinites ftw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UKOmobMaDo

[kittensXLI]

Nash personal blog about Hall : http://kevinnash.tumblr.com/

[Rodey]

Nash personal blog about Hall : http://kevinnash.tumblr.com/

Interesting.

Scott Hall is beyond the point of help working for him. Dude is just a trainwreck and unfortunately I think he's going to hit the end of the road soon. Sad stuff.

[mja271]

I just watched the Scott Hall video from that show. Good lord. He's definitely too far gone. Unfotunately have to agree with Rodey that his time is coming soon.

[JacobLovesYou]

Nash personal blog about Hall : http://kevinnash.tumblr.com/

Damn that was in depth
Clearly Hall is in bad bad bad shape.

[hbktonyb]

Scary.

Now why would TNA release Jay Lethal? Dude is awesome.

[kittensXLI]

Jay Lethal isn't good.

[hbktonyb]

I love the guy, especially his impressions. They gave him a big push then instantly took it away.

[kittensXLI]

I think there's really only so much the "impressionist" gimmick can do. Heck, it was dumb when Richards was reduced to it in WWF. Same for Big Slow. Lethal couldn't get over without pretending to be Macho Man. The biggest thing I can pull out of it is the fact Flair put him over.

[Speilmen230]

He is solid in the ring, and was a staple of the X-Divison.

...well what used to be the X-Divison.

[kittensXLI]

And when he wasn't Black Machismo, he was boring as all heck. And if you really want to get into "good" X Division talent, there's a lot better than him. I'm surprised TNA let him go, because he's still better than probably 85%+ of their roster, but people thinking he's going to WWE is laughable.

[Speilmen230]

He is too small for WWE unless they are going to recreate the Cruiserweight division. Which he would be great in IMO.

[kittensXLI]

I hate myself for being the only idiot who watches this crap every Thursday.

[kittensXLI]

Jeff Jarrett should seriously retire.

[Speilmen230]

Just tuned in. Apparently that Springboard Kick RVD gave Abyss caught him in the mouth and broke a tooth.

[Speilmen230]

I think Crimson actually has a future. He has a good look, and i think he is improving in the ring. I have yet to hear him cut a promo though.

Edit: i have always really enjoyed Sting's promos. They really go more with his Surfer gimmick, but they are so high energy that i can't help but get into them.

[kittensXLI]

Getting stuck in programs with Scott Steiner and Abyss aren't very good ways to both showcase talents and improve.

[Speilmen230]

hahaha foley hunt and pecks on the Keyboard.

[Speilmen230]

Jesus, why are either of the Hardy's on TV?

They both are terrible at promos.

Here we go. The best 'young' gun TNA has.

[kittensXLI]

Really? Scott Steiner? Really?

[Speilmen230]

Probably giving him a push after the pop the marks on sunday were giving him.

[Speilmen230]

Id kill myself then id hang myself.... really scott?

You are what you are... really scott?

I am who i say i am... really scott?

[kittensXLI]

You're beneath me...like your GF was last night. Really Scott?

[Speilmen230]

Matt is so damn good.

He has grown so much in TNA. I am utterly shocked at how much better he has gotten.

[Speilmen230]

mmmmm Miss Tessmacher....

[kittensXLI]

I didn't think it was possible to make someone look like a bitch that many times in such a small window.

[kittensXLI]

Woo glorified strippers.

Woo Matt Hardy main event title shots.

[Speilmen230]

i didn't even hear what she was saying... i was just gazing at her sexiness.

[kittensXLI]

i didn't even hear what she was saying... i was just gazing at her sexiness.
:ugh:ugh

[Speilmen230]

don't hate. I love Brooke.

http://www.wrestling-edge.com/wordpress/photos/women/brooke-adams-tna/IMG_4728_650.jpg

[Speilmen230]

Don 'Deals' West.

:lol

[Speilmen230]

really..really...really...

She ripping off Miz?? :lol

[kittensXLI]

Are you the one that said Brie Bella is ugly?

[kittensXLI]

Seriously. TNA is pathetic.

[Speilmen230]

no i am not. i like the bellas.

[kittensXLI]

Oh cool Matt Hardy finally got a world title.

[Speilmen230]

Maria and Stacy are my all time favorites.


http://wwedivas.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/maria_kanellis_wwe_diva.jpg

http://kingsbikini.este.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Stacy-Keibler.jpg

[Speilmen230]

So has 'The Network' ever been revealed?

[kittensXLI]

Stacy will forever be the hottest woman in professional wrestling history. Not a single woman comes close to her. Stacy is like the hottest woman period.

[Speilmen230]

Stacy has the worlds greatest body ever. all natural and perfect in every way.

[Speilmen230]

Sweet commercial timing.

[AndySlash]

Maria
http://wwedivas.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/maria_kanellis_wwe_diva.jpg

mmm maria

this was always my favorite of her
http://www.wrestlingvalley.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/246.jpg

[kittensXLI]

I absolutely hate the way TNA puts together and also performs it's matches. Seriously terrible.

[Speilmen230]

mmm maria

this was always my favorite of her
http://www.wrestlingvalley.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/246.jpg

Maria is all sorts of sexy.

CM Punk is one lucky guy.

[kittensXLI]

Didn't Scott Steiner use the Mic Check on Matt Morgan earlier tonight?

[Speilmen230]

I absolutely hate the way TNA puts together and also performs it's matches. Seriously terrible.

So has it been revealed who 'The Network' is?

[Speilmen230]

Didn't Scott Steiner use the Mic Check on Matt Morgan earlier tonight?

a variation of it yes.

[Speilmen230]

mmm maria

this was always my favorite of her
http://www.wrestlingvalley.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/246.jpg

a big big favorite of mine.

http://www.wallpaperadda.com/walls/maria-kanellis-white-bikini_other.jpg

[kittensXLI]

nsfw : http://www.the-feeding-tube.com/item/2008/03/brooke-adams-nude-beach-pictures

[ant_marching41]

Stacy has the worlds greatest body ever. all natural and perfect in every way.
Good god yes. The number of times that I used to jerk off to her could probably fill up a summer.

[BotheDMBFan]

Stacy will forever be the hottest woman in professional wrestling history. Not a single woman comes close to her. Stacy is like the hottest woman period.

Sunny in her prime was beyond hawtz.

[BotheDMBFan]

I never found Maria attractive. Stacy is fawkin hawt though.

[BotheDMBFan]

Why are there so many cage matches in TNA? Fuck.

[BotheDMBFan]

TNA Basebrawl? So corny.

[BotheDMBFan]

RVD cut a good promo? Holy shit...

[kittensXLI]

So Umaga and Rikishi were brothers. Jimmy and Jey Uso are Rikishi's sons. Rosey and Rikishi are cousins. Rosey, Umaga, and Rikishi were all cousins with Yokozuna.

EDIT - And all of these cousins are related to The Rock just by their grandfather and The Rock's grandfather being "blood brothers".

Really? Blood brothers? That's it?

[kittensXLI]

Apparently Yokozuna was actually only 6'0", and give or take 800 lbs when he died. And he was trying to get his weight up to 900 lbs.

[Speilmen230]

Apparently Yokozuna was actually only 6'0", and give or take 800 lbs when he died. And he was trying to get his weight up to 900 lbs.

why in the hell would he be trying to get his weight up that much?

[BotheDMBFan]

This "Network" shit is ridiculous. At least the Anon GM thing has a bit of flair to it, because it could be practically anyone. Uhhh...we know what "Network" you're on. We know what "Network" is forcing you guys to stop sucking so fucking much because you're hurting their cash cow, too.

[Speilmen230]

This "Network" shit is ridiculous. At least the Anon GM thing has a bit of flair to it, because it could be practically anyone. Uhhh...we know what "Network" you're on. We know what "Network" is forcing you guys to stop sucking so fucking much because you're hurting their cash cow, too.

I find it kinda ironic that ECW used the 'Network' gimmick when they were on TNN and now TNA is using the 'Network' gimmick on Spike.

[Rodey]

I think I would agree with Stacy being the hottest, although Maryse ranks a really close second for me.

[kittensXLI]

The Sad Story of Shannon "Daffney" Spruill in TNA : http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/4/21/2125160/the-sad-story-of-shannon-daffney-spruill?login=1303418747

[Speilmen230]

The Sad Story of Shannon "Daffney" Spruill in TNA : http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/4/21/2125160/the-sad-story-of-shannon-daffney-spruill?login=1303418747

That Chris Hill guy HAS to be Vince Russo or Jeff Jarrett. :lol

[kittensXLI]

That Chris Hill guy HAS to be Vince Russo or Jeff Jarrett. :lol
:lol Seriously. Thought the same exact thing. Or a member on AM.org.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1303499928

[kittensXLI]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1303499928
:lol She would be married to that goon.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1303499928

Un-Fucking-Believeable.

[jackisback24]

call me crazy but I think Tammy looks quite good here.

http://www.f4wonline.com/

[kittensXLI]

UH OH : http://thesportscourier.com/content/tna-wrestling-president-dixie-carter-stepping-down

[Speilmen230]

jesus... While i don't see any of these allegations making major headlines like it would if it was WWE, i still see this making a big internet stir.

Dixie is really coming off as a heartless bitch. And so ar Russo & Jarrett.

[kittensXLI]

It's not anywhere set in stone happening, but still.

Regardless, if Dixie was to ever not be President, I think the pipedream is Heyman, and the all-or-nothing gamble is EB. If it is EB, the dream situation would be he axes Russo and Hulk. Especially without a Ted Turner wallet to fall back on, assuming he learns/learned from WCW, it could be good.

[Speilmen230]

It's not anywhere set in stone happening, but still.

Regardless, if Dixie was to ever not be President, I think the pipedream is Heyman, and the all-or-nothing gamble is EB. If it is EB, the dream situation would be he axes Russo and Hulk. Especially without a Ted Turner wallet to fall back on, assuming he learns/learned from WCW, it could be good.

I have to think that he doesn't axe Hogan. He and hogan are close friends and there is no way that he will cut Hogan's biggest source of income.

Russo NEEDS to get the axe no matter who is in charge.

But yes the Pipedream is Heyman. He has the creative genius to make something happen at TNA, and he actually cared about his employees.

Jeff Jarrett needs to go too. He seems like a disease just like Russo.

[kittensXLI]

I think I would agree with Stacy being the hottest, although Maryse ranks a really close second for me.
http://smacktalks.org/forums/index.php/topic/24260-maryse-ouellet-playboy-18-updated/

[Speilmen230]

Miz is one lucky sunuvabitch

[davidhamrick10]

I remember seing Maryse for the first time at the St. Matthews Mall in Louisville when she first signed with OVW.

I think my jaw hit the floor and my boner hit the roof.

[kittensXLI]

Hopefully this is the sendoff for both Kane and Big Slow. Probably Slow's best match in a couple years too, despite being a tag match.

[Rodey]

Can't wait for the retirement party. I am expecting epic.

[kittensXLI]

Really? Teasing a Slater/Gabriel breakup? Horrible idea.

[kittensXLI]

Anyone watching SD? Is your broadcast choppy as heck?

[Rodey]

Anyone watching SD? Is your broadcast choppy as heck?

I sort of have it on in the background while I finish an assignment, but I haven't noticed anything. And it's even raining and shitty here, which usually effects our satellite feed.

[kittensXLI]

McIntyre and Masters would make a very good tag team. + Gabriel/Slater, Kane/Slow, and a bunch of jobber teams like Santino/Koslov, the Usos, Hawkins/Barreta, and Otunga/McGuillicutty would be the best the tag division has been in years.

[Rodey]

If Masters were better on the mic, I would say give him a push.

[kittensXLI]

Wade Barrett makes a very good IC Champion. I hope he holds onto the title for a long time too, bringing credibility to both himself and the title simultaneously. He should at least hold it until the Corre is finally broken up for good, followed by a true singles run. Obviously he can talk, so the alone time would be great while he hones his in-ring work, and the current main events from both shows have time to clear up.

[BotheDMBFan]

Is SD good thusfarly?

[kittensXLI]

Absolutely.

[BotheDMBFan]

Edge retiring might have been a good thing for SD, got a lot of people watching it again.

[kittensXLI]

Edge retiring might have been a good thing for SD, got a lot of people watching it again.
When does SD air for you?

[BotheDMBFan]

98 years from now, it seems. What time does it air for you, and I can West COastify that shit.

[kittensXLI]

8pm east coast

[BotheDMBFan]

I might be able to watch the whole thing, sweet.

TNA was so horrible las tnight. Lame as hell.

[kittensXLI]

What time noob.

[Rodey]

:lol

Del Rio is so good in this gimmick.

[K3nTaKa0s]

TNA was so horrible las tnight. Lame as hell.

Why's that?

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol Del Rio is so awesome.

[BotheDMBFan]

What time noob.

8 PST. Sucka.

[kittensXLI]

Man, if only Brodus Clay didn't exist. I love ADR.

[kittensXLI]

Dude, that match is going to be fantastic. I'm so pumped.

[Rodey]

Me too, should be really good. I wouldn't mind Christian winning at all, but I think that it's time for them to give the strap to ADR. He's been absolutely fantastic since he came to the WWE and they've built him up a ton.

[kittensXLI]

Me too, should be really good. I wouldn't mind Christian winning at all, but I think that it's time for them to give the strap to ADR. He's been absolutely fantastic since he came to the WWE and they've built him up a ton.
It's a win/win really.

I wouldn't mind an ADR win so Christian can chase him some more for the title. Yeah, it's prolonging an already enormously long overdue title run, but barring an injury it'd be so huge for when Christian finally gets the win. It also wouldn't make it seem like a joke title run like when Rey won after Eddie died. Everyone knows Christian has deserved the strap with zero influence from Edge.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think Christian ends up getting the strap, although I'd love for him to win it at Summerslam.

That said, Orton is coming to SD! soon, apparently, so he'll be in the title picture VERY soon.

[kittensXLI]

I'd rather watch TNA than watch Orton in the SD title picture.

Okay, no I wouldn't. But I want Orton nowhere near either title right now.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'd rather watch TNA than watch Orton in the SD title picture.

Okay, no I wouldn't. But I want Orton nowhere near either title right now.

Orton owns and can put on a great match. I'd love to see him work with ADR and Christian.

[kittensXLI]

Orton owns and can put on a great match. I'd love to see him work with ADR and Christian.
I'd rather see Orton get moved to SD then Jericho return in a month and feud with him there, leaving ADR and Christian to continue over the title.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Ah, shit. I missed a four-minute tag title change on Smackdown. Hopefully I can catch it somewhere online.

[BotheDMBFan]

What would Orton and Jericho feud over though? I'd like for the IC title to matter again and have those guys plus someone else (Maybe move Sheamus over too?) feud over the title, let the Christian v ADR feud die, and move Orton up for the big belt.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ah, shit. I missed a four-minute tag title change on Smackdown. Hopefully I can catch it somewhere online.

How do you feel about the probable exiling of Dixie Carter?