Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[jackisback24]

Heel H is good, just so long as it isn't him having the title for 8 years again.
U know he'll beat Flair's record.

[Evans]

I watched wrestling from 87 to 96. Those were the good days of it for me, when it was more of a family show, when the heels were larger than life walking cartoons with crazy names that you loved to hate. When the good guys were the absolute definition of all things good. It started getting to be more about tits, ass, and middle fingers in the late 90's and from what I've seen on recent WWE shows it is embarrassing, boring, and a total disgrace to what it once was. When I heard McMahon started wrestling and all that crap, ugh, gag me. The talent is atrocious, where are the Bret Harts? The Curt Hennigs? No, but they still have that guy from The Real World wrestling, he's atrocious. It's like the current generation of pro wrestlers are all playing pretend, just pretending to be the stars of the late 80's, but being about as believable as me with paper goggles and a beach towel for a cape.

I see video on Youtube of Jake Roberts wrestling The Anvil from a few years ago, he's drunk in the ring and he's actually dangling Damien between his legs and stroking it like its his bait and tackle and man it is just SAD!

I catch the WWE these days while channel surfing and I'll linger for a few matches just to see if there is any glimmer of greatness left.

[jackisback24]

I hear ya Evans. There r too many script writers in the WWE and the wrestlers today really aren't allowed to cut a proper promo to draw money. I am intrigued to see what happens on Monday when Bret comes back but in a way I see it as Bret selling out. I hope they do a believable angle out of Monday. One thing about Vince is when he feels a little competition (TNA) he doesn't fool around. TNA needs to do a shocking angle, ala bring in Brock Lesner or someone from UFC to do a synergy-based cross promotion w/TNA in order to not come across like bushleague vs. WWE. Shane or Rock appearing couldn't hurt but I won't hold my breath.

[BotheDMBFan]

Freddie Prinze Jr worked for WWE. srsly.

[hbktonyb]

I watched wrestling from 87 to 96. Those were the good days of it for me, when it was more of a family show, when the heels were larger than life walking cartoons with crazy names that you loved to hate. When the good guys were the absolute definition of all things good. It started getting to be more about tits, ass, and middle fingers in the late 90's and from what I've seen on recent WWE shows it is embarrassing, boring, and a total disgrace to what it once was. When I heard McMahon started wrestling and all that crap, ugh, gag me. The talent is atrocious, where are the Bret Harts? The Curt Hennigs? No, but they still have that guy from The Real World wrestling, he's atrocious. It's like the current generation of pro wrestlers are all playing pretend, just pretending to be the stars of the late 80's, but being about as believable as me with paper goggles and a beach towel for a cape.

I see video on Youtube of Jake Roberts wrestling The Anvil from a few years ago, he's drunk in the ring and he's actually dangling Damien between his legs and stroking it like its his bait and tackle and man it is just SAD!

I catch the WWE these days while channel surfing and I'll linger for a few matches just to see if there is any glimmer of greatness left.

The most profitable and most watched WWE time period is when they had the tits and ass, and it was very entertaining. I loved it back in the day when Hogan was on top, and I loved the attitude era...wrestling evolved. Now it is back to PG, geared towards kids. I think you'd be surprised - There is some good talent that wrestle as well as Bret and Mr. Perfect.

[kittensXLI]

From what I've gathered, the legit guys are :

Shawn Michaels
HHH
The Big Show
Cody Rhodes
Jack Swagger
Kofi Kingston
Randy Orton
Santino Marella
Ted DiBiase
The Miz
The Undertaker
Chris Jericho
C.M. Punk
David Hart Smith
Dolph Ziggler
Drew McIntyre
Edge
John Morrison
Kane
Matt Hardy
Rey Mysterio
Christian
Sheldon Benjamin
Goldust
The Hurricane
Vladimir Kozlov
William Regal
Yoshi Tatsu
Batista

That's actually a decent list of talent. I'd probably release/demote 75% of the other people under contract.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Chavo Guerrero should be used more, but he's too busy feuding with Hornswaggle.

[jackisback24]

I think Jeff Hardy just twittered he's heading to Orlando for TNA tomorrow.

So we've got Stern back addressing Artie, Regis back, first regular Monday of the new year, playoffs to figure out and the return of the Monday Night Wars with Bret Hart back to address Vince while Kennedy, Hardy, Hogan possibly on TNA.

I wonder if they'll do an angle with Tyson and Stone Cold for WM26?

I think I read Stu is in the Hall this year which may be why Bret is here.

[kittensXLI]

While I hate Bret Hart's guts, not going to lie, very interested in tomorrow night. Will definitely be tuning in for a change, and will watch in it's entirety instead of 5-20 minutes. Just dealing with such a pivotal part of wrestling history I'm so caught up in it.

[jackisback24]

The NWO will be back.

[kittensXLI]

The NWO will be back.
Consisting of?

[jackisback24]

Consisting of?
Hall, Nash and Hogan. Possibly Xpac. Hall is already at Hogan's party or was there in Orlando.

[davidhamrick10]

The NWO will be back.
they may be back together but not under the name NWO, Vince owns the rights.

[hbktonyb]

Hall is coming back tomorrow...Hey yo

[comerelaxnow]

The NWO will be back.

You are probably right and this is why Vince Russo is such a dumbass. TNA is so stupid for doing this in the 1st place. Lets take Hogan, who was watered down and horrible in WCW and just repeat all the same angles and stupid moves they made in WCW and do it in TNA. TNA consists of old WWE stars who either failed drug tests or weren't popular enough to keep an audience and now throw in washed up Hogan and this is somehow going to compete with WWE. The only good wrestlers in TNA (AJ Styles, Samoha Joe) need to smarten up and go to WWE now before TNA turns to real shit

[k270]

You are probably right and this is why Vince Russo is such a dumbass. TNA is so stupid for doing this in the 1st place. Lets take Hogan, who was watered down and horrible in WCW and just repeat all the same angles and stupid moves they made in WCW and do it in TNA. TNA consists of old WWE stars who either failed drug tests or weren't popular enough to keep an audience and now throw in washed up Hogan and this is somehow going to compete with WWE. The only good wrestlers in TNA (AJ Styles, Samoha Joe) need to smarten up and go to WWE now before TNA turns to real shit

Just curious why Kurt Angle ended up there? If he did any drugs after his olympic win, couldn't he be stripped of his gold medal?

[devilandthelord]

Just curious why Kurt Angle ended up there? If he did any drugs after his olympic win, couldn't he be stripped of his gold medal?

Kurt Angle juiced like it was going out of style man! Are you serious?
If you doubt me just google it. He was actually arrested with them in his car not too long ago.

Anyway, about the whole TNA thing, I'm dvr'ing it tomorrow, but fully expect it to be horrible. All these guys are beyond washed up and dont even do good promos anymore. But who knows, maybe they'll suprise me.
I'll check it out just for the nostalgia.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1262621866.php?style=dark

[devilandthelord]

I have my tivo set and am sort of excited to watch, but can't help but feel like its just going to be really sad and I'm going to be disappointed.

[jackisback24]

I have my tivo set and am sort of excited to watch, but can't help but feel like its just going to be really sad and I'm going to be disappointed.
but what if Tommy Dreamer shows up?:lol

[comerelaxnow]

Tonights gonna be great but i just dont get how some of the guys on TNA can be so dead set on taking down the WWE. Hogan for one. And the rumors about Flair going to TNA? I just don't get it. Flair loves the WWE and Vince McMahon. One of the things he says over and over on his DVD is that he will never understand how Hogan and Hall and Nash could be so dead set on taking WWE down in the 90s.

[DMBfan41]

I'm hoping that Hogan comes out at 8:00, but I'm sure he'll be there around 9

[justinandimcool]

Can't wait for tonight. Both are DVR'd, don't know which to watch first though. First time watching a full wrestling show since the annual Wrestlemania parties my friends have. Though I am hearing HBK/Taker again at WM this year? That match tore the roof off last year!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Gonna be hyped up tonight.

Might have to watch TNA on the Internet while I watch Pitt/Cincy and Raw on TV.

[k270]

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1262621866.php?style=dark

Tonights gonna be great but i just dont get how some of the guys on TNA can be so dead set on taking down the WWE. Hogan for one. And the rumors about Flair going to TNA? I just don't get it. Flair loves the WWE and Vince McMahon. One of the things he says over and over on his DVD is that he will never understand how Hogan and Hall and Nash could be so dead set on taking WWE down in the 90s.

In the linked article it says Ric Flair said "I'm going to Orlando, brother."

Is the person sure he ran into Ric Flair and not Hulk Hogan? Isn't brother something Hogan use to say all the time at the end of sentences? I guess we'll find out later tonight, but something tells me Ric Flair isn't going to be on TNA.

[comerelaxnow]

In the linked article it says Ric Flair said "I'm going to Orlando, brother."

Is the person sure he ran into Ric Flair and not Hulk Hogan? Isn't brother something Hogan use to say all the time at the end of sentences? I guess we'll find out later tonight, but something tells me Ric Flair isn't going to be on TNA.

Nah ive heard Flair say brother tons of times in interviews and stuff. Flair and Hogan have been hanging out alot latley with Hulks tour and stuff. I don't doubt that Hogan tried to convince Ric to come to TNA. Especially since Ric still wants to wrestle.

[k270]

just stumbled upon this. Some good photos of umaga two weeks before his death.


http://www.sescoops.com/wwe-news/14-pictures-of-umaga-days-before-his-death

[hbktonyb]

Rumors of Hall, Waltman, Heyman, Dreamer, Mr. Kennedy

[hbktonyb]

Bubba the Love Sponge confirmed that Hogan/TNA is trying to appeal to the 18-34 male demo..like the sound of that.

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DOcHRgQMo

[jackisback24]

There's a developing story that Hardy has signed w/TNA so look for him out there. Orlando Jordan and Val Venis may be on TV tonight as well. Not a fan of a bunch of jabronis from WWE but Jeff Hardy and Kennedy would be okay. Flair most likely will be there. He was looking for guaranteed money from Panda Energy, the company that owns TNA. That's because if TNA goes under, he'll still get paid. Raw may be going to 11:20 tonight. Most likely a reunion w/NwO on TNA. Ted Dibiase junior is going babyface, possibly tonight. Melina is no more Diva champ. Stay tunnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeddd!

[K3nTaKa0s]

For anyone wanting to watch TNA online...

http://www.justin.tv/survivorseries#r=nLGHB5I

[hbktonyb]

Bubba! Nice

[hbktonyb]

I like how they give you an elimination chamber match to open the show...nice.

I love Black Machismo

[Speilmen230]

raw only 2 hours tonight?

[jackisback24]

I don't get that about Raw either. And bleeping bullsh*t?

[hbktonyb]

Editing the this is bullshit chant...hahaha

[hbktonyb]

Holy shit it is Jeff Hardy!!!

[hbktonyb]

I'm shocked Hardy signed with TNA...but this is great!

[jackisback24]

Hardy! Hardy! Hardy! Don't eva quesiton my sources!!!!:lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hardy is worthless.

[ant_marching41]

I like how they give you an elimination chamber match to open the show...nice.

I love Black Machismo
Do you like this elimination chamber better than WWE's? The object of the match, etc.?

[hbktonyb]

Hardy is worthless.

Really? I think he was the best thing going before he left WWE...

[hbktonyb]

Do you like this elimination chamber better than WWE's? The object of the match, etc.?

No, the actual chamber is better.

[Speilmen230]

Do you like this elimination chamber better than WWE's? The object of the match, etc.?

no because this style of elimination chamber has big big flaws as homocide has just shown us. it very very physically difficult to get out of and even the guys who are great athletes have trouble getting out.

[DMBfan41]

Jeff Hardy on TNA, that is cool. That elimination chamber wasn't that great. The cage is not very appealing to the eyes.

[Speilmen230]

Hardy is worthless.

as a person? yes hardy is a huge legal liability. he has never had a good personal track record.

as a draw and a big name to have at your company? no he has a lot of worth. his name is a big draw.

[hbktonyb]

Hahaha Hulk Hogan's the president!!!

[jackisback24]

Jeff Hardy will sell more merchandise than anyone in WWE except for Cena and possibly 1 or 2 others.

[hbktonyb]

Is Tara Victoria?

[Speilmen230]

Is Tara Victoria?

yes.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Speilmen, you watching the basketball game?

[ant_marching41]

No, the actual chamber is better.

no because this style of elimination chamber has big big flaws as homocide has just shown us. it very very physically difficult to get out of and even the guys who are great athletes have trouble getting out.
Agreed. I thought that it had potential.. then Homocide had literally 2 minutes to himself struggling to escape that thing.

Hulk's not alone!!! :eek:eek:boner:eek

[Speilmen230]

Speilmen, you watching the basketball game?

im flipping between the two...

[K3nTaKa0s]

Naitch!

[hbktonyb]

Woooooooooooooooo, the nature boy???

[ant_marching41]

Wooooooooo.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Flair >>>>>> Jeff Hardy

[jackisback24]

I called it. I called it dammit

[hbktonyb]

All these guys that left the WWE on good terms are showing up in TNA...crazy

[K3nTaKa0s]

I don't know if TNA is always like this, but it has a Nitro feel to it.

[ant_marching41]

I don't know if TNA is always like this, but it has a Nitro feel to it.
I was thinking the same thing. Similar set, smaller crowds, etc.

[hbktonyb]

Bobby is just a little jacked.

[hbktonyb]

So is Bobby a face but his wife a heel?

[ant_marching41]

Bobby is just a little jacked.
Why's he lettin his bitch do the talkin for him?

If she doesn't rip that dress off, I'm about to give her the old Stephanie McMahon treatment.

The mute button.

[Speilmen230]

So is Bobby a face but his wife a heel?

bobby? sorry i was catching a bit of the fiesta bowl..

[K3nTaKa0s]

Are these the Nitro Girls?

[ant_marching41]

And this is where the show just took a turn for the worst IMO. Its sad.

[DMBfan41]

I could do without the stupid blondes.

[jackisback24]

Cena is at the Fiesta Bowl, no Raw. Kristall was a Nitro girl i think. Bobby is leaving for MMA fulltime, but will do spot stuff for TNA. Look for 9:00 to be a key hour at the top. Naitch and Sting do an angle? NWO reunite? It does have a Nitro feel to it with the limos. Could have made Jeff Hardys debut better but not bad thus far.

[hbktonyb]

That was a dumb segment...Just have them parade out in a bikini...much quicker.

[hbktonyb]

Hogan vs. Bret Hart at 9:00.

Hogan > Bret

[Speilmen230]

And this is where the show just took a turn for the worst IMO. Its sad.

thats what the old days of the attitude era was like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsoEpq2ZtU

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hart > Hogan

[ant_marching41]

Hey yo.

[hbktonyb]

Hall and Xpac!

[jackisback24]

They're coming.

[jackisback24]

I thought that was Doink in the Jack in the Box ad.:lol

[DMBfan41]

Wow, Scott Hall looks old, I think he put on a few pounds in his face alone

[Speilmen230]

Wow, Scott Hall looks old, I think he put on a few pounds in his face alone

Scott is way out of shape. Nash has gone grey but his physique looks good still and hogan... well hogan just yeah...

[ant_marching41]

thats what the old days of the attitude era was like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsoEpq2ZtU
You could have picked 100 different videos that better exemplified the pathetic diva segments of the attitude era.

That was actually an entertaining angle. Silly, but not rating-grabbing.

[jackisback24]

As I said, the NWO will be back.

[hbktonyb]

Who is in the limo with Hogan? Bischoff and Paul Heyman?? macho man? oooooooooooooooh yeahhhhhhhhh

[DMBfan41]

black and white limos? Was that Eric Bischoff?

[hbktonyb]

Just 2 sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[hbktonyb]

Maybe it won't be Hulk Hogan...but HOLLYWOOD HOGAN??

[hbktonyb]

I like how tNA is getting the commercials out of the way...I can see them going 30 minutes straight with no commercials in a little bit.

[hbktonyb]

Here is his!!!!!!!...IN BLACK!

[ant_marching41]

NWO music. Awesome.

[Speilmen230]

old school NWO theme knock off

[K3nTaKa0s]

Love the ripoff of the nWo theme song.

[Speilmen230]

who got into the limo?!?!?!

[K3nTaKa0s]

I need Sting to come out with the baseball bat.

[ant_marching41]

:lol Hall and Pac look like old goofs.

[jackisback24]

Hogan w/NWO music!:lol

Brooke!

[jackisback24]

Jason Hervey there? Bischoff might be.

[Speilmen230]

they are drawing this out right till 9 lol

[ant_marching41]

Well what do ya know, its 9pm right now! :rolleyes

Didn't expect anything less.

[jackisback24]

Hogan - Hart.

[ant_marching41]

So Hall and Pac just wanna party? Hell shit Hogan, let them party.

[jackisback24]

and theeeeres Bret

[jackisback24]

Bret and Shawn on TV

[hbktonyb]

Wow I don't know what to watch...HBK vs. Hitman and nWo reunion!

[hbktonyb]

So far...TNA > WWE

[BotheDMBFan]

This is quite possibly the biggest night in wrestling history since Mankind won the title on Raw.

[hbktonyb]

Awesome Kong > Hitman

[crashintonickdm]

i personally couldnt care less about hall, flair and xpac.

sseein bret and HBK in the same ring again was unbelieveable. and it was the first time i felt like it was real. i wasnt sure if austin would somehow come out, or what. thats why those guys were all so amazing. this new shit, WWE or TNA is just crap.

[TheTallOne]

Why the fuck would WWE ruin the program with a diva tournament? Jesus, what a stupid move that was.

[hbktonyb]

This diva match is terrible.

[hbktonyb]

It was cool seeing HBK/Bret, but that promo sucked.

[ant_marching41]

i personally couldnt care less about hall, flair and xpac.

sseein bret and HBK in the same ring again was unbelieveable. and it was the first time i felt like it was real. i wasnt sure if austin would somehow come out, or what. thats why those guys were all so amazing. this new shit, WWE or TNA is just crap.
Bingo. That was touching.

[TheTallOne]

Beginning of Raw was chilling to say the least though. Also interesting how the are handling HBK. Would be great if they used that to transition DX back to heel mode.

[jackisback24]

?!?!

[ant_marching41]

Beginning of Raw was chilling to say the least though. Also interesting how the are handling HBK. Would be great if they used that to transition DX back to heel mode.
Agreed. I always had the idea that Shawn and HHH had no hand in the MSJ. Shawn revealing that and saying he didn't regret it shocked me.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE putting up a Diva tournament against TNA tonight? Heh.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Hahahahaha. Yessssssssssss.

[hbktonyb]

The big valbowski!

[TheTallOne]

Agreed. I always had the idea that Shawn and HHH had no hand in the MSJ. Shawn revealing that and saying he didn't regret it shocked me.

It was Shawn's initial idea, and HHH just played along. HBK and Vince are the ones who orchestrated it.

[hbktonyb]

tNA women >>>>>>>>>.. wwe women

[dmbmuskie]

Every time I flip on TNA, I feel like I'm watching a really bad episode of Nitro and Raw in HD.

[TheTallOne]

tNA women >>>>>>>>>.. wwe women

They're all whores

[TheTallOne]

I can't do TNA. It just seems like WWE's sloppy seconds.

[hbktonyb]

Naaaaaaasty

[DMBfan41]

Didn't one of the Nasty Boys die?

[dmbmuskie]

Didn't one of the Nasty Boys die?

I'm sure someone will be pissed about this, but by buddy just texted me this: I'm waiting on them to roll out the copse of Test for a cheap pop.:lol

[hbktonyb]

Sick match so far...AJ and Kurt are 2 of the best

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think TNA has had the better program tonight.

[hbktonyb]

Yup...a lot better.

[hbktonyb]

Raw was terrible...they ruined what should have been epic.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I switched between both shows, Here are some thoughts

-TNA did NOTHING in it's first hour. The first 60 minutes of that show were anything but "Total Nonstop Action". The opener stunk. Terrible finish, it made the title look weak and everyone involved look terrible. Everything else is a blur. It felt like a Nitro Reunion.

- Why did they run down the card then proceed to drop TWO matches. A barbed wire match and a tag title match just evaporated. The whole show came off confusing and nonsensical. Not to mention Hogan proclaimed numerous times how he spent all day meeting everyone, yet we spent the first hour of the show following his police escorted limo up and down the block...

- The main event and womans tag match were great. The show should have had more action like that and less fluff. The main event saved the show.

- What were Raven and Stevie Richards doing there? Why did they lose in 30 seconds? Why not just destroy some job guys? Waste of time and TNAs money.

- Overall it came of like a parody of wCw. Mick Foley breaking into the building? Lashley quitting? Scott Hall hopping the guardrail? a 15 minute nWo promo? False advertisement? Was TNA trying to fit as many cliches as they could into this show?

- I'm not sold on TNA. I was totally unimpressed. Pacing sucked. The majority of the matches didn't deliver several didn't happen.

What should I be impressed with?

[K3nTaKa0s]

I was disappointed that Bret did very little as GM. For me, TNA was alright. It was always Nitro > Raw for me during the Monday Night Wars, so this was a nice change of pace tonight. We'll see what's up when the ratings come out.

[DmBand801]

Agreed. I always had the idea that Shawn and HHH had no hand in the MSJ. Shawn revealing that and saying he didn't regret it shocked me.

HBK said he was well aware of the MSJ in his book a few years back.

[DmBand801]

I'm sure someone will be pissed about this, but by buddy just texted me this: I'm waiting on them to roll out the copse of Test for a cheap pop.:lol

My friend texted me earlier saying that he was waiting for Owen Hart to appear and reveal it to be an angle all along.

[comerelaxnow]

It was Shawn's initial idea, and HHH just played along. HBK and Vince are the ones who orchestrated it.

Actually it was HHH who stood up and said Fuck Bret. If hes not going to do busniess then you do it for him. Shawn really was just doing what he was told by Vince.

[comerelaxnow]

Raw was terrible...they ruined what should have been epic.

No. It was great and exactly what needed to happen. First off Vince couldn't give two shits about TNA or Hogan trying to take him down again. Hes going to do a slow and steady feud with Bret until WM as it should be.

[justinandimcool]

Other than the opening segment with Bret/HBK as well as the Styles/Angle match, tonight was a huge disappointment. Both shows were awful.

Oh well, back to not caring about wrestling.

[JacobLovesYou]

my brother watched for the first time in years, said that the DX tag team match was pretty good? true?

[jackisback24]

Some things and observations from tonight.

First, it was HHH that told Shawn that he should not lose to Bret because Bret was leaving for WCW and it was not the right thing for business. At first Shawn apparently was willing to lose, but then called Vince and changed the finish, which pissed off Vince, for SS in Montreal but he eventually acquiesed (hope I'm using that term correctly) and thus the Montreal Screwjob. If you have never seen Wrestling W/Shadows, rent it. It's very good. Bret, for the record had a contract that stipulated the final 30 days of his contract gave him creative control of his character. Thus, he contractually didn't have to lose to Shawn and said he would lose to Shawn, just not in Montreal-his home country. Shawn had a history of not wanting to do jobs at that point and that coupled with politicking against Bret for the top spot when the steroid scandal hit, has always created a wedge between them.

I thought both shows were much better than they had been in recent weeks (not a big TNA guy), but of course could have been better. The appearance of Jeff Hardy on TNA was a good start for them, but they could have put more emphasis on his debut. It was almost like a throw-away. Remember when Luger first appeared on Nitro? It came across like a big raid. Don't kid yourself if you think that Hardy was not a big signing. He was a WWE champion not that long ago and one of the biggest movers in merchandise for the past 3 years.

The AJ/Angle match was very good. I think they threw Flair out there at the end because he's always been a ratings draw and they went head to head w/the Bret and Vince angle. I'm curious how the Flair thing will wind up.

Seeing HBK and Bret together was one of those Bischoff and Vince hugging moments for me. Very surreal. Obviously they're building to Vince and Bret for a street fight for WM26 but it's apparent that both won't be bumping. I thought their final angle was a good start-off point, but I was waiting for the Luger clotheslining Steamboat moment or Orndorff attacking Hogan moment to shock the fans (back when turns meant something). I think WM26 will be very good this year as they're trying to push for Cena vs. Rock as the main event, if you can believe it. Tyson vs. Austin would be interesting too, and I say Tyson should go into the WWE Hall simply because he turned Austin into an icon, and getting the ball rolling for the WWE turnaround.

Good starting points for both, could have been better at points, I did very much like the use of limos on the highways for Flair and Hogan because it did make it seem like something special was happpening.

We'll see how the ratings did later on today.

[dmbmuskie]

My friend texted me earlier saying that he was waiting for Owen Hart to appear and reveal it to be an angle all along.

:lol That would have been quite the curve ball.

I switched full time to the football game after Val Venis showed up.

[hbktonyb]

No. It was great and exactly what needed to happen. First off Vince couldn't give two shits about TNA or Hogan trying to take him down again. Hes going to do a slow and steady feud with Bret until WM as it should be.

I don't think Vince cares either...honestly I don't think the ratings will be close, because there are still many people that don't even know TNA exists...It will take a long time before TNA builds an audience, but I think they are headed in the right direction.

Wasn't Bret's last day in WWE the Montreal ppv? And if so, shouldn't he have done the right thing for the business and drop the title to HBK? The story I remember is that Bret wanted to win the match, then forfeit the title on Raw the next night, which is bullshit IMO.

Both shows need a lot of work...being a huge Hogan/nWo fan, I thought TNA's show was better than Raw last night...the AJ/Angle match alone was worth watching TNA...I think they fuckd up Hardy's return...that should have been a much bigger deal. I also think that it is a lot more enjoyable watching a show geared towards my age group, instead of a show geared towards kids. Most of the crowd didn't even know who Bret Hart was...

Speaking of crowds, the TNA crowd reminds me of the old ECW crowd...cool chants, understanding the business, into every match, etc...I know it is different because the crowd is so small, but still cool to watch...comes across better on tv.

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think Vince cares either...honestly I don't think the ratings will be close, because there are still many people that don't even know TNA exists...It will take a long time before TNA builds an audience, but I think they are headed in the right direction.

Wasn't Bret's last day in WWE the Montreal ppv? And if so, shouldn't he have done the right thing for the business and drop the title to HBK? The story I remember is that Bret wanted to win the match, then forfeit the title on Raw the next night, which is bullshit IMO.

Both shows need a lot of work...being a huge Hogan/nWo fan, I thought TNA's show was better than Raw last night...the AJ/Angle match alone was worth watching TNA...I think they fuckd up Hardy's return...that should have been a much bigger deal. I also think that it is a lot more enjoyable watching a show geared towards my age group, instead of a show geared towards kids. Most of the crowd didn't even know who Bret Hart was...

Speaking of crowds, the TNA crowd reminds me of the old ECW crowd...cool chants, understanding the business, into every match, etc...I know it is different because the crowd is so small, but still cool to watch...comes across better on tv.

I never watched more than 5 minutes of TNA before last night, but the whole production looks like a joke compared to the WWF. If you want to compete with the WWE you need to have a product that looks and sounds like it can compete with the WWE.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

[hbktonyb]

I never watched more than 5 minutes of TNA before last night, but the whole production looks like a joke compared to the WWF. If you want to compete with the WWE you need to have a product that looks and sounds like it can compete with the WWE.

TNA's production cannot match the WWE's production, and probably never will. WWE is a multi-million dollar public entity.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/january1-7/13169622

Cool moment, I'm surprised WWE showed Jericho out of character.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Other than the opening segment with Bret/HBK as well as the Styles/Angle match, tonight was a huge disappointment. Both shows were awful.

Oh well, back to not caring about wrestling.

You sir are correct!

[ExperienceJones]

I thought I heard that Bret was going to be involved through Wrestlemania, anyone hear this too? Hope it wasn't just a one night stand.

[hbktonyb]

Yes, Bret will be involved but I do not think he is on tv every week...they left the storyline wide open though, obviously building towards McMahon/Bret street fight.

[ExperienceJones]

Yes, Bret will be involved but I do not think he is on tv every week...they left the storyline wide open though, obviously building towards McMahon/Bret street fight.

Wrestlemania, Hart v. McMahon - Calgary Style Cowboy Street Fight?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Raw should have really ended in a pull apart brawl. I thought it made Bret look weak to get kicked in the nuts by a 60 year old man and then do nothing about it.

[davidhamrick10]

I just watched TNA from last night and overall it wasn't great but Styles vs. Angle takes it over the top.


Those are 2 of the few people in wrestling I would pay to see.

[Speilmen230]

Raw should have really ended in a pull apart brawl. I thought it made Bret look weak to get kicked in the nuts by a 60 year old man and then do nothing about it.

nothing is ever like that anymore in WWE everything is Guy A crushes Guy B then Guy B crushes Guy A

[ExperienceJones]

I just watched TNA from last night and overall it wasn't great but Styles vs. Angle takes it over the top.


Those are 2 of the few people in wrestling I would pay to see.

I watched the 2nd half of the styles/angle match and sure it was great athletically but the matched lacked in my opinion. It seemed like all they did was bounce off the ropes and put each other in their finishing move about 10 times each. The lack and depth of different moves really knocked that match down in my opinion. I don't want to see HHH put someone in 8 Pedigrees and still not be able to pin him, that defeats the purpose of the move.

[jackisback24]

Bret had a stroke not too long ago and can't take bumps. They'll have a gimmick match at WM and it won't be good, but if they get this angle going with HHH and Michaels involved it will draw money. That's the bottom line in any business. $$$$$$$$.

[ExperienceJones]

Bret had a stroke not too long ago and can't take bumps. They'll have a gimmick match at WM and it won't be good, but if they get this angle going with HHH and Michaels involved it will draw money. That's the bottom line in any business. $$$$$$$$.

Cause Stone Cold said so!

[jackisback24]

Cause Stone Cold said so!

haha

[jackisback24]

Cause Stone Cold said so!
:hug

[hbktonyb]

Bret had a stroke not too long ago and can't take bumps. They'll have a gimmick match at WM and it won't be good, but if they get this angle going with HHH and Michaels involved it will draw money. That's the bottom line in any business. $$$$$$$$.

I like this a lot...How about Bret & HBK vs. Son and Son in Law...sick

[hbktonyb]

I watched the 2nd half of the styles/angle match and sure it was great athletically but the matched lacked in my opinion. It seemed like all they did was bounce off the ropes and put each other in their finishing move about 10 times each. The lack and depth of different moves really knocked that match down in my opinion. I don't want to see HHH put someone in 8 Pedigrees and still not be able to pin him, that defeats the purpose of the move.

They have to leave a lot for the PPV.

[comerelaxnow]

I thought I heard that Bret was going to be involved through Wrestlemania, anyone hear this too? Hope it wasn't just a one night stand.

Bret will be back. No way will Brets last moment be Vince kicking him in the balls

[comerelaxnow]

Bret had a stroke not too long ago and can't take bumps. They'll have a gimmick match at WM and it won't be good, but if they get this angle going with HHH and Michaels involved it will draw money. That's the bottom line in any business. $$$$$$$$.

Bret was cleared to wrestle years back. Hes recovered pretty damn well and can wrestle just fine.

[hbktonyb]

Bret was cleared to wrestle years back. Hes recovered pretty damn well and can wrestle just fine.

No he wasn't...he had a stroke and multiple concussions and was told he should never wrestle again.

[jackisback24]

Bret was cleared to wrestle years back. Hes recovered pretty damn well and can wrestle just fine.
you're joking, right? he's lucky to be driving a car right now.

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1262724501.php?style=dark


http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1262722756.php?style=dark

[ExperienceJones]

So whats the deal with Hardy? He went to TNA? How'd that all develop he was at the top of the world in WWE like 4 months ago.

[jackisback24]

So whats the deal with Hardy? He went to TNA? How'd that all develop he was at the top of the world in WWE like 4 months ago.
his contract expired, he wanted a sabbatical to work on music, burned out like RVD, got busted w/drugs during sabbatical, went to Orlando to check out TNA with Shannon Moore and apparantly signed a contract while down there. Easier schedule and merchandise money seemed better than more money but hectic schedule in WWE.

[hbktonyb]

So whats the deal with Hardy? He went to TNA? How'd that all develop he was at the top of the world in WWE like 4 months ago.

He wanted to wrestle, but could not deal with the WWE road schedule anymore, so he decided to sign with TNA.

[ExperienceJones]

He wanted to wrestle, but could not deal with the WWE road schedule anymore, so he decided to sign with TNA.

I just can't get into TNA, sucks for him. I wonder what Matt's future holds.

I don't understand Jeff, he could potentially be headlining Wrestlemania this year and he peaced out on that to go wrestle in some old american gladiators studio? Weak.

[jackisback24]

I just can't get into TNA, sucks for him. I wonder what Matt's future holds.

I don't understand Jeff, he could potentially be headlining Wrestlemania this year and he peaced out on that to go wrestle in some old american gladiators studio? Weak.
If you were held down with the politics of the WWE, you'd understand. Why do you think so many have left?

[kittensXLI]

Shouldn't Jeff Hardy be in jail for 20 years? I thought his bust was some serious, serious business.

[jackisback24]

Shouldn't Jeff Hardy be in jail for 20 years? I thought his bust was some serious, serious business.
see link about 8 or so posts above.

[kittensXLI]

see link about 8 or so posts above.
Okay, so now what?

[ExperienceJones]

what kind of ya ya did he have?

[ExperienceJones]

If you were held down with the politics of the WWE, you'd understand. Why do you think so many have left?

He should at least held out in the hopes of headlining Wrestlemania.

I never liked him anyway, only when he faught CM punk - that guys is so boring.

[hbktonyb]

Hardy doesn't really care about that...seems like his biggest care is not being on the road 300 days a year.

[ExperienceJones]

Hardy doesn't really care about that...seems like his biggest care is not being on the road 300 days a year.

Thats like being a football player and not caring about the superbowl.

When not factoring in travel, of course.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I wonder how TNA will fare in the ratings. They put together such a terrible 1st hour I would be shocked if they hung in at all.

I honestly thought 2/3 of the show was garbage. With a roster like that I just can't fathom how a show could be so blah.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Impact got a 1.5 rating last night.
Source: Bryan Alvarez on Twitter

1.58 8-8:15
1.70 8:15-8:30
1.78 8:30-8:45
1.71 8:45-9

1.88 9-9:15
1.30 9:15-9:30
1.42 9:30-9:45
1.16 9:45-10

1.17 10-10:15
1.21 10:15-10:30
1.19 10:30-10:45
1.30 10:45-11

[hbktonyb]

Impact got a 1.5 rating last night.
Source: Bryan Alvarez on Twitter

1.58 8-8:15
1.70 8:15-8:30
1.78 8:30-8:45
1.71 8:45-9

1.88 9-9:15
1.30 9:15-9:30
1.42 9:30-9:45
1.16 9:45-10

1.17 10-10:15
1.21 10:15-10:30
1.19 10:30-10:45
1.30 10:45-11

Wow that is pretty damn good...higher rating than Thursdays, while up against Raw, Bret Hart, and college football. Spike has to be jumping at that rating.

[Speilmen230]

Impact got a 1.5 rating last night.
Source: Bryan Alvarez on Twitter

1.58 8-8:15
1.70 8:15-8:30
1.78 8:30-8:45
1.71 8:45-9

1.88 9-9:15
1.30 9:15-9:30
1.42 9:30-9:45
1.16 9:45-10

1.17 10-10:15
1.21 10:15-10:30
1.19 10:30-10:45
1.30 10:45-11

what were the number's for raw? do you know?

[TempHelpNeeded]

Hart signed a one time, small deal with the WWE. It runs through some time in April which is apparently after Wrestlemania. Look for some sort of McMahon/Hart Wrestlemania match up or something.

[Doors Allan Coe]

what were the number's for raw? do you know?

Not sure I know Raw did it's best in a while. I'm assuming because some old fans dusted off the remote.

I just don't get how they booked the show so terribly. Instead of the 8-man clusterfuck opener they could have had a great match. I don't watch TNA but I was interested in the X-division. That cage match made me not give a shit anymore. Followed by a terrible match in which the babyface cheated to win...

[hbktonyb]

Hart signed a one time, small deal with the WWE. It runs through some time in April which is apparently after Wrestlemania. Look for some sort of McMahon/Hart Wrestlemania match up or something.

In other news, I heard Hulk Hogan signed with TNA. ;)

[hbktonyb]

Not sure I know Raw did it's best in a while. I'm assuming because some old fans dusted off the remote.

I just don't get how they booked the show so terribly. Instead of the 8-man clusterfuck opener they could have had a great match. I don't watch TNA but I was interested in the X-division. That cage match made me not give a shit anymore. Followed by a terrible match in which the babyface cheated to win...

It needs a ton of work, but its gotta be better than the little kid shit the WWE is giving us now...The only wrestling match worth watching has to involve HBK.

[hbktonyb]

Cool chart of the ratings for the Monday Night Wars...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monday_Night_Wars_Ratings.JPG

[Doors Allan Coe]

It needs a ton of work, but its gotta be better than the little kid shit the WWE is giving us now...The only wrestling match worth watching has to involve HBK.

Yeah, I haven't watch WWE in a while either. The reason I'm not raggin on them is they tour all year and create 5 hours of original programming a week. This was TNA biggest show ever. I just didn't feel like a super show. It felt like a wCw just everyone we 10 years older.

Think about how many guys were paid and didn't even wrestle. for all the talent TNA has I just can't get over how terribly booked the whole thing was...

[Speilmen230]

Cool chart of the ratings for the Monday Night Wars...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monday_Night_Wars_Ratings.JPG

well what do you know.. the minute austin won the title from HBK at wrestlemania 14 the tides turned for wwf monday night raw is war

[K3nTaKa0s]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/126090/Latest-Info-On-RAW-vs.-Impact-Ratings.htm

[Doors Allan Coe]

well what do you know.. the minute austin won the title from HBK at wrestlemania 14 the tides turned for wwf monday night raw is war

Actually I think that was the night X-pac returned and joined DX. I'm remember that being interesting.

[Speilmen230]

Actually I think that was the night X-pac returned and joined DX. I'm remember that being interesting.

ok i was in the ball park.. austin won the title march 29 1998 and wwf won the first ratings battle on april 6 1998

[Doors Allan Coe]

ok i was in the ball park.. austin won the title march 29 1998 and wwf won the first ratings battle on april 6 1998

ha i'm not questioning you. I'm just adding that that was the night DX trashed Cactus and Funk. How my dreams were shattered...

[DmBand801]

Early ratings, per wrestlezone.com

Last night's 3 hour special edition of TNA Impact, featuring the debut of Hulk Hogan, finished with a 1.5 cable rating, while The Wrestling Observer is reporting that last night's Raw broadcast, guest hosted by Bret Hart, took in about 5.6 million viewers. This should reflect a pretty big increase in the final rating for the show, which we should know shortly.

[hbktonyb]

Great ratings...wrestling fans still exist.

What's funny about the chart is how low the ratings were in 95 and 96...I hope we see another monday night war soon.

[Speilmen230]

ha i'm not questioning you. I'm just adding that that was the night DX trashed Cactus and Funk. How my dreams were shattered...

lol never said you were correcting me. its all good. :hug haha oh how cactus and funk getting thrown in the dumpster was awesome. i used to love the New Age Outlaws.

[DMBfan41]

It is great that people are talking about wrestling again.....not just in this thread. I think TNA should have just brought back Hogan and Flair. There's just no need to have Hall and X-Pac to come back. Eric Bischoff I like too, he is a great personality. I didn't like the whole nWo angle.....again. As was said before, it did have a WCW feel to it.

[Crush086]

TNA was way better than Raw I thought. The Hitman was a great host, don't get me wrong, but the only exciting things I can remember from Raw was:

-Hitman and Shawn shaking hands (good opener)
-Legacy telling Orton he's out if he loses (opens up an internal Legacy feud, with them hopefully disbanding and either Rhodes and DiBiase take the Tag Titles, or DiBiase entering the main event status and challenging for Sheamus' title)
-Vince kicking Bret.

TNA, although having the advantage of being an hour longer, had way more surprises (and better matches all around). Jeff Hardy back in TNA was probably the biggest surprise to me.

[JTRocks]

It is great that people are talking about wrestling again.....not just in this thread. I think TNA should have just brought back Hogan and Flair. There's just no need to have Hall and X-Pac to come back. Eric Bischoff I like too, he is a great personality. I didn't like the whole nWo angle.....again. As was said before, it did have a WCW feel to it.

i didnt see any of tna last night. whats this nwo angle? Obviously they cant use the nwo name anymore, right? Is there anywhere i can stream TNA from last night?

[Crush086]

i didnt see any of tna last night. whats this nwo angle? Obviously they cant use the nwo name anymore, right? Is there anywhere i can stream TNA from last night?

Scott Hall and Sean Waltman (X-Pac) showed up last night during Hogan's debut. Also joined later by Nash. Bischoff and Hogan said it wasn't like it was back then (hinting the nWo I'm guessing). After Hogan made his debut in the ring, Sting was shown holding a black bat in the rafters (wearing what appeared to be black and white facepaint).

At the end of the show, Mick Foley threatened Bischoff in Hulk's office, and was beat down by Hall, Nash, Waltman, and then the camera zoomed in on Hogan before ending.

Hogan also came out to an extremely similar nWo theme, changed slightly of course since they don't own the original theme.

Also, TNA will be shown again Thursday night, for those that missed it, or opted to watch Raw instead.

[Speilmen230]

so i didn't get it with hogan... is he like the new "Boss" of TNA or what is his role?

[devilandthelord]

I just liked seeing "The Bad Guy" back with all his buddies.

[mwat9050]

Raw should have really ended in a pull apart brawl. I thought it made Bret look weak to get kicked in the nuts by a 60 year old man and then do nothing about it.


I thought so too. People don't understand the psychology of storylines sometimes. I also thought Brett should have had the chance to voice some hostility over what had happened in montereal

[mwat9050]

Another thing I noticed is that some people here are still unclear about the screwjob. It was really Vince's decision. I don't really think HBK or HHH had much of an influence. That was the dirt sheet runour, especially casue HBK was said to not want to job for Bret. Bottom line is that Bret thought he was a real action super hero in Canada, and didn't want to drop the title there. He even said that he didn't have to beat HBK, just didn't wan tto drop the title. Hence the run in that was supposed to happen at the end of the match.

It was kind of shitty, but can you blame Vince? Bret's contract was up that night. Who's to say if he'd show up on Raw the next night and drop the title. I honestly think Bret had enough integrity to do so, but Vince thought it was a risk, considering the bullshit that Bischoff was already pulling. Vince protected his company, and did waht he had to do. Bret should have know how the buisniess is, and put HBK over when he left.

And this was Vinces brainchild. HBK and all involved were sworn to secrecey. Vince wanted to take the blame. Its only when HBK became born again, is when he admitted that he knew about it.

[hbktonyb]

Bret screwed Bret.

[jackisback24]

What is it about contracts that you folks don't understand? Bret had contractual creative control for the remaining 30 days of his contract--IE he could job for whomever he wanted to. He said he would lose to Shawn, I believe in Springfield right after SS but just didn't want to lose to Shawn in Canada after Shawn had refused to do jobs for a while, including Shane Douglas (I lost my smile) and the British Bulldog. Thus Vince told him that he didn't have to in Montreal (Wrestling With Shadows).

[hbktonyb]

But he was not under contract...you can't blame Vince for wanting him to drop the title while he was under contract...would have been the right thing to do for the business.

[TheTallOne]

Another thing I noticed is that some people here are still unclear about the screwjob. It was really Vince's decision. I don't really think HBK or HHH had much of an influence. That was the dirt sheet runour, especially casue HBK was said to not want to job for Bret. Bottom line is that Bret thought he was a real action super hero in Canada, and didn't want to drop the title there. He even said that he didn't have to beat HBK, just didn't wan tto drop the title. Hence the run in that was supposed to happen at the end of the match.

It was kind of shitty, but can you blame Vince? Bret's contract was up that night. Who's to say if he'd show up on Raw the next night and drop the title. I honestly think Bret had enough integrity to do so, but Vince thought it was a risk, considering the bullshit that Bischoff was already pulling. Vince protected his company, and did waht he had to do. Bret should have know how the buisniess is, and put HBK over when he left.

And this was Vinces brainchild. HBK and all involved were sworn to secrecey. Vince wanted to take the blame. Its only when HBK became born again, is when he admitted that he knew about it.

Someone posted an article in here a few weeks back. While McMahon was the driving force, it was HBK who suggested that they do the job. Without that suggestion, it is lkely things would have gone as planned. Michael's loyalty to WWE was a major factor in why it happened.

[mwat9050]

What is it about contracts that you folks don't understand? Bret had contractual creative control for the remaining 30 days of his contract--IE he could job for whomever he wanted to. He said he would lose to Shawn, I believe in Springfield right after SS but just didn't want to lose to Shawn in Canada after Shawn had refused to do jobs for a while, including Shane Douglas (I lost my smile) and the British Bulldog. Thus Vince told him that he didn't have to in Montreal (Wrestling With Shadows).


He wasn't supposed to job for Douglas or the Bulldog.

[Pablo23]

i didnt see any of tna last night. whats this nwo angle? Obviously they cant use the nwo name anymore, right? Is there anywhere i can stream TNA from last night?

You can dl it here (without commercials so its like 2 hrs & 45 mins):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8CC3KMBC
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=28FBDWF7

[jackisback24]

He wasn't supposed to job for Douglas or the Bulldog.
Yes, he was. You can Google it because it's well documented. In fact, the night he forfeited to Douglas was the night he lost his smile. And Bret Hart was still under contract to the WWE through the end of the month, past the Survivor Series. In his contract, it stated the last 30 days of his deal he had creative control of what he wanted to do with the Hitman character, basically so if he ever gave notice Vince couldn't job him out. Vince contractually had to abide by his creative control and didn't do it, simply because he was afraid Bret would show up on WCW with the title ala Madusa Micelli did with the womens title and chuck it in the trash.

[mwat9050]

Yes, he was. You can Google it because it's well documented. In fact, the night he forfeited to Douglas was the night he lost his smile. And Bret Hart was still under contract to the WWE through the end of the month, past the Survivor Series. In his contract, it stated the last 30 days of his deal he had creative control of what he wanted to do with the Hitman character, basically so if he ever gave notice Vince couldn't job him out. Vince contractually had to abide by his creative control and didn't do it, simply because he was afraid Bret would show up on WCW with the title ala Madusa Micelli did with the womens title and chuck it in the trash.

oh thats right. I remember that now. His acl was just about gone too.

I don't remeber him having to job for davey boy though. Shaun always said he loved working with him also.

[JacobLovesYou]

i enjoyed reading about the hart thing back in the day. i totally forgot about 90% of the information you guys just laid out.

[Evans]

Man, I felt so old seeing the Hitman in the ring the other night. He looks kinda slack-jawed and *gasp* old! I know he had a stroke and all. It's just kinda depressing.

[npl1128]

always read this thread title as Pro Wrestling is fake!!!, but upon closer inspection there is a question mark in there. Making me read it now with a Ron Burgundy squeak at the end there.

fwiw.

[ExperienceJones]

They need to start establishing some matches for the Rumble

[jackisback24]

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1263016806.php?style=dark

[jackisback24]

Ludvig Borga, former WWE wrestler and first opponent for Randy Couture under his real name Tony Halme, has unfortunately passed away according to internet reports. Keep him in your prayers.

[K3nTaKa0s]

That's a shame.

Iron Mike Tyson tomorrow night. That should be a treat. He'll probably see more air time than Bret Hart.

[jackisback24]

That's a shame.

Iron Mike Tyson tomorrow night. That should be a treat. He'll probably see more air time than Bret Hart.
Bret to return on 1/18/10.

[hbktonyb]

That tooth fairy movie looks like the worst piece of shit ever...time for the Rock to go back to the WWE...FINALLY

[Nick11dx]

in reference to the Screw Job and how people were so worried of Bret Hart going to WCW with the title. Ive always wondered if they let Bret win why didnt they just have people back stage waiting to literally take the belt from him and say "if you come tomorrow to Raw well give this back to you" jsut to reassure he wouldnt literally go to WCW with it.

Ive always had this thought and it makes total sense, is there something that Im missing?

[jackisback24]

in reference to the Screw Job and how people were so worried of Bret Hart going to WCW with the title. Ive always wondered if they let Bret win why didnt they just have people back stage waiting to literally take the belt from him and say "if you come tomorrow to Raw well give this back to you" jsut to reassure he wouldnt literally go to WCW with it.

Ive always had this thought and it makes total sense, is there something that Im missing?
Vince was paranoid after the Madusa thing that he'd somehow show up on WCW with the title. Bret just wanted to end his WWE tenure with respect and dignity and drop it, even to Michaels, just not in Canada. Since he had creative control, he could do that. I think McMahon just wanted it off him at any cost and didn't want him to leave Montreal w/the title.

[comerelaxnow]

You guys are all wrong. You are forgetting the fact that Wrestling is scripted. Bret and the "Screwjob" was all an angle and it was Brets way of going to WCW for more money and Vince getting something out of it which is controversy. It was all an angle and its the best one to date since everyone still belives this was a real event. Nobody screwed anyone it was all an act.

[TheTallOne]

You guys are all wrong. You are forgetting the fact that Wrestling is scripted. Bret and the "Screwjob" was all an angle and it was Brets way of going to WCW for more money and Vince getting something out of it which is controversy. It was all an angle and its the best one to date since everyone still belives this was a real event. Nobody screwed anyone it was all an act.

I don't think so.

[comerelaxnow]

I don't think so.

i doubt it too i just wanted to throw that out there. But really its entirely possible

[JacobLovesYou]

i doubt it too i just wanted to throw that out there. But really its entirely possible

i really don't think it is.

[hbktonyb]

in reference to the Screw Job and how people were so worried of Bret Hart going to WCW with the title. Ive always wondered if they let Bret win why didnt they just have people back stage waiting to literally take the belt from him and say "if you come tomorrow to Raw well give this back to you" jsut to reassure he wouldnt literally go to WCW with it.

Ive always had this thought and it makes total sense, is there something that Im missing?

He could have just had another title made that looks exactly the same. They sell them now...

You guys are all wrong. You are forgetting the fact that Wrestling is scripted. Bret and the "Screwjob" was all an angle and it was Brets way of going to WCW for more money and Vince getting something out of it which is controversy. It was all an angle and its the best one to date since everyone still belives this was a real event. Nobody screwed anyone it was all an act.

Wrong.

[ant_marching41]

You guys are all wrong. You are forgetting the fact that Wrestling is scripted. Bret and the "Screwjob" was all an angle and it was Brets way of going to WCW for more money and Vince getting something out of it which is controversy. It was all an angle and its the best one to date since everyone still belives this was a real event. Nobody screwed anyone it was all an act.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il4gXnNodNo&feature=related

[JTRocks]

Ludvig Borga, former WWE wrestler and first opponent for Randy Couture under his real name Tony Halme, has unfortunately passed away according to internet reports. Keep him in your prayers.

wow! I forgot all about him. I remember him coming on the scene back when i was real young and actually thought wrestling was real. They were giving that guy a major push, he ended tatankas winning streak that was like 2 or 3 years running, he was involved in an angle for the title and then he just vanished from wwf.

[hbktonyb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6mf9ijX8s&feature=related

Found this funny, was Hogan drunk??

[ant_marching41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6mf9ijX8s&feature=related

Found this funny, was Hogan drunk??
Thanks for clearing things up, Hulk. :lol

Oh brother. :rolleyes

[k270]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il4gXnNodNo&feature=related

Just curious, did you post this to show it was fake, or wasn't fake?

I believe it is fake. At the 1:58 mark the woman calls Paul Levesque Triple H. Why did she call him Triple H and not Paul? Yes, I know Triple H is his stage name, but if this was real, and she was really pissed off, she could and should of addressed him by his real name. Has a pissed off woman ever used a nickname to yell at someone? No. When a woman is pissed at a man, she uses his full name.

[jackisback24]

I'm reading the Dutch Mantell book, which is quite good actually and he's talking about his strangest matches. When he described this, I couldn't believe it as I've never heard of it. Basically there's a PBS show from 25 years ago that had a symphony percussion going on while a stage rose up and Jarrett and Mantell were wrestling in the middle. Quite strange but funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDs5x9cN2I

[K3nTaKa0s]

I'd love to see Iron Mike snap.

[jackisback24]

I'd love to see Iron Mike snap.
anything happen yet? not watching.

[jackisback24]

Kingston taps, Cena moves on, Kingston taps, Cena moves on.

Michael Cole, shut the f up!

[K3nTaKa0s]

Tyson is an animal. I love it.

[jackisback24]

Tyson owns Hornswoggle. Holly Fuck that was funny. Brrrooolololoolloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooolllloo:bounce

[K3nTaKa0s]

That was predictable.

[DMBfan41]

Wow, I knew that was gonna happen as soon as the match was announced.

DX has to go

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA2cCrGHQAk

Not the best, but arguably my favorite match between these two, and my #2 or #3 match of all time.

[Crush086]

Holy shit, Mike Tyson had me laughing till I cried when he told Hornswaggle he was going to jumprope with his intestines and pull his brain out through his nose.

[hbktonyb]

Just an ok Raw...I like Tyson though. I wish TNA was live so I wouldn't read the spoilers.

[jackisback24]

yeah, Stevie Wonder could see that Tyson was going to turn, ala turn on Michaels at WM with Austin in the match.

[ExperienceJones]

I hope Sheamus can defend against Orton at RR, I am so bored with Orton. No way he deserves the title and the possibility of being in the mainevent against the Rumble winner at WM.

[Crush086]

I don't think it matters who wins, since this will hopefully be a fresh rivalry. Sheamus takes cheap shots, Orton uses Legacy to win. It should be interesting (hopefully).

I'd actually rather Sheamus hold the title a couple months, instead of them switching between Orton and Cena like 6 times last year. But Orton having it for a while with Sheamus contending would be interesting too.

[ExperienceJones]

I don't think it matters who wins, since this will hopefully be a fresh rivalry. Sheamus takes cheap shots, Orton uses Legacy to win. It should be interesting (hopefully).

I'd actually rather Sheamus hold the title a couple months, instead of them switching between Orton and Cena like 6 times last year. But Orton having it for a while with Sheamus contending would be interesting too.

it's all about Dibiase, next WWE champ

[jackisback24]

The internet dirt right now for WM26 is:

HHH vs. Sheamus for the title
Randy Orton vs. Ted Dibiase Junior
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels
Vince McMahon vs. Bret Hart in a street fight
John Cena vs. Batista (company is hoping for Rock)
plus TLC spectacular

[ExperienceJones]

The internet dirt right now for WM26 is:

HHH vs. Sheamus for the title
Randy Orton vs. Ted Dibiase Junior
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels
Vince McMahon vs. Bret Hart in a street fight
John Cena vs. Batista (company is hoping for Rock)
plus TLC spectacular

Solid Card. So is Rhodes just getting the boot in this possible new rivalry between Ted and Randy?

I heard the Rock turned them down to host Raw this month so I'm not sure he'd be interested in actually wrestling at WM, maybe thoguh.

[jackisback24]

Solid Card. So is Rhodes just getting the boot in this possible new rivalry between Ted and Randy?

I heard the Rock turned them down to host Raw this month so I'm not sure he'd be interested in actually wrestling at WM, maybe thoguh.
Rock goes into the Hall at some point, possibly this year. He might do a package deal where he goes into the Hall and wrestles his final match, ala Flair. They tried that with Austin last year but he decided against it.

Not sure about Rhodes, but it may be mid-card time for him, which doesn't bode well. Maybe he'll team with Dustin when they due the inevitable, Ron and Jimmy Garvin angle with Golddust saving his brother from a beatdown.

[hbktonyb]

The internet dirt right now for WM26 is:

HHH vs. Sheamus for the title
Randy Orton vs. Ted Dibiase Junior
Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels
Vince McMahon vs. Bret Hart in a street fight
John Cena vs. Batista (company is hoping for Rock)
plus TLC spectacular

Rock would make it so much better. I don't like the Orton match, the HHH match, or the Cena match at all.

[Crush086]

it's all about Dibiase, next WWE champ
That'd be nice, but he probably is going to need to be built up a bit more, outside of snapping at Orton and beating Mark Henry and Evan Bourne every Monday lol. He'd have to feud a while with Orton, to give himself some heavyweight cred. I was actually surprised there was no backlash to Legacy giving Orton the same ultimatum, but maybe that'll change if Orton takes the title from Sheamus.