Pro Wrestling is FAKE!?!

[Speilmen230]

Punk should come out to interrupt Rock's birthday bash.

Fixed that for ya

[kittensXLI]

HHH dominating the shows > Cena dominating the shows

This Raw is like, 08 bad.
Truth bombs.

[kittensXLI]

F this. Tyler Perry appearance. It's official.

[comerelaxnow]

I will pay someone 20 bucks if they can find 5 people who actually like Tyler Perry

[BotheDMBFan]

I will pay someone 20 bucks if they can find 5 people who actually like Tyler Perry

I am a huge Tyler Perry fan. Paula likes him too. My sisters like him, so that's 5.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Lex Luger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[comerelaxnow]

I am a huge Tyler Perry fan. Paula likes him too. My sisters like him, so that's 5.

:mad....

[Rodey]

Ricardo Rodriguez!!

[kittensXLI]

Okay. You just lost a WHC match last night. You should not be driving a car into Raw the next night.

[shoegal_97]

:mad....

How can you not like Tyler Perry? Maddea is funny as shit

[Speilmen230]

I am officially changing my tune.


This is officially the worst written show in the history of written WWE shows.

[comerelaxnow]

Okay. You just lost a WHC match last night. You should not be driving a car into Raw the next night.
What?? What does one thing have to do with the other?

[comerelaxnow]

How can you not like Tyler Perry? Maddea is funny as shit

Really? Oh man i can't stand that shit. I mean cool if you guys like him. I just don't get it

[kittensXLI]

I am officially changing my tune.


This is officially the worst written show in the history of written WWE shows.
Welcome to the light bro!

[Rodey]

Del Rio at the announce table!

[Speilmen230]

Madea is fucking terrible. Perry is an Eddie Murphy wannabe.

[shoegal_97]

Really? Oh man i can't stand that shit. I mean cool if you guys like him. I just don't get it

:hug:hug:hug

I only like Maddea, the other stuff blows

[Speilmen230]

YES! McIntyre and Swagger.

[kittensXLI]

McIntyre/Swagger could actually be a good tag team.

[comerelaxnow]

Uh yeah those push ups right into Drews crotch didn't look gay at all

[Speilmen230]

might bring some legitimacy back to the division. :rolleyes

[comerelaxnow]

Man bringing back some great Tag Teams would be AWESOME.

[Speilmen230]

ADR is working the mic pretty well here. Fucking commercials.

[kittensXLI]

might bring some legitimacy back to the division. :rolleyes
If they tag long enough, an eventual McIntyre turn and following feud between a heel McIntyre and a face Swagger could really elevate both guys. I'm talking like pushing it well through next year, though. It'd have to be VERY long and drawn out to maximize potential. Both guys are young and good enough, just need something to occupy time as they improve.

[GrooGrux420]

I'm still awaiting a birthday cake.

[2steppinKJ]

I am officially changing my tune.


This is officially the worst written show in the history of written WWE shows.

"WWE creative". Greatest oxymoron ever.

[kittensXLI]

"WWE creative". Greatest oxymoron ever.
:lol Classic.

[shoegal_97]

what DID happen to tag teams? I miss those :(

[Speilmen230]

Win the tag belts and dominate the division throughout the summer into SS then either debut a new tag team, or put together another tag with two up and comers who knock them off the mountain then they feud into RR where they split and feud going into WM.

there i just wrote out a years worth of plot points in 2 minutes that would work and be interesting and drag the Tag belts out of the mud.

[kittensXLI]

what DID happen to tag teams? I miss those :(
The brand extension really ruined them after a while. Although they had a fair amount of them a handful of years ago, the quality of teams was significantly less. They've withered away ever since.

[kittensXLI]

:lol:lol Is Hernandez at Raw tonight? Who else heard those whistles in the crowd!

[Speilmen230]

I love the Chihuahua comments.

[shoegal_97]

The brand extension really ruined them after a while. Although they had a fair amount of them a handful of years ago, the quality of teams was significantly less. They've withered away ever since.

Thats too bad when you think about it, I mean Shawn and Brett, both products of a tag team....maybe they will make a comeback :D

[kittensXLI]

ADR needs to get the f away from Mysterio.

[Speilmen230]

ADR/Rey rekindling their feud... ugh. DO SOMETHING WITH ADR. Feuding with Rey is not something that he needs to be involved in.

[Rodey]

ADR needs to get the f away from Mysterio.

No shit. Way too good to be feuding with Mysterio who's absolute garbage.

[kittensXLI]

No shit. Way too good to be feuding with Mysterio who's absolute garbage.
Truth bomb.

[Speilmen230]

again... WHERE THE HIGH HOLY FUCK IS PUNK!?!?!

[GrooGrux420]

Christian looks good with the belt. n/h

[JRS1386]

Vickie sucks ass, both figuratively and literally

And now Cena, fucking awesome show!!!

[kittensXLI]

This sucks. I might not watch until after WM28 now.

[GrooGrux420]

Oh great... that seals the deal on Cena holding the belt FOREVER.

[Rodey]

Holy shit if Cena holds the title til WM I will kill myself.

[Speilmen230]

Kane/Mason Ryan to end the show? are you fucking serious? did someone get the match order wrong?

[JRS1386]

Kane/Mason Ryan to end the show? are you fucking serious? did someone get the match order wrong?

Maybe CM Punk is going to cost Mason the match?

[Rodey]

This Raw has sucked more cock than Bree Olsen.

[shoegal_97]

Oh great... that seals the deal on Cena holding the belt FOREVER.

:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine

[kittensXLI]

This Raw has sucked my cock than Bree Olsen.
Good one.

[JRS1386]

George Lopez sucks.

[Rodey]

Good one.

I tried.

Oh look Punk sighting!

[Speilmen230]

Hopefully Punk goes on commentary or he drops Mason like a bad habit.

or both...

[Rodey]

Jesus, Mason Ryan has the same ring trunks as Batista did. :lol

[kittensXLI]

Punk should burn Kane's face and bring his old mask back.

/loser

[kittensXLI]

If it wasn't for Batista's bellybutton tattoo, I'd never be able to tell him and Mason Ryan apart.

[Rodey]

Here comes Show.

[kittensXLI]

wtf did they play Slow's theme song for.

[Speilmen230]

They are really putting Mason over

next Monster heel?

[shoegal_97]

Damn the show got rocked

[JRS1386]

Punk should burn Kane's face and bring his old mask back.

/loser

Yes please bring Kane's mask back.

Also, how is MR overpowering Kane's one hand with two of his awesome?

[Speilmen230]

I smell a Punk/Ryan feud



ugh....


fuck...

jesus....

[Rodey]

This Raw has been unbelievably embarrassing.

[Speilmen230]

this raw has been a 3/10

[kittensXLI]

1/10

That can still drop based on this final segment.

[Rodey]

this raw has been a 3/10

To be honest I think that's a little generous.

[kittensXLI]

H or Austin could come out tonight and Raw wouldn't be higher than 1/10.

[Speilmen230]

i give em a 1 just for airing. It's like getting points for putting your name on the test.

[Speilmen230]

Craig Ferguson ftw. best one all night.

[kittensXLI]

No. No, we didn't, Rock.

[Rodey]

This could have been such a good show tonight too. They dropped a massive shit bomb on us instead.

[kittensXLI]

Okay. 2/10.

[Rodey]

VINNIE MAC! :lol

[GrooGrux420]

Only way this show would get a 2 is if Shane O'Mac made an appearance.

[Rodey]

Only way this show would get a 2 is if Shane O'Mac made an appearance.

Shane was awesome. I miss his dance moves.

[Speilmen230]

i still give it a 3.

This is like the pre-emptive HOF induction show.

[Rodey]

Rock died?

[kittensXLI]

Rock died?
Not until WM28.

[GrooGrux420]

Shane was awesome. I miss his dance moves.
Shane is in my personal top 5 of all-time. Dude killed it night in and night out. No one could do a better diving attack, be it with a belt, chair, whatever, he flew through the air. :lol

[Rodey]

Shane is in my personal top 5 of all-time. Dude killed it night in and night out. No one could do a better diving attack, be it with a belt, chair, whatever, he flew through the air. :lol

Shane's one of my favorites too. Dude sold everything so well and had so much charisma. :lol

[K3nTaKa0s]

Wow.. this is almost like watching the BET Awards.

[Rodey]

I would have sex with Mya.

[Speilmen230]

this shit is terrible....

[GrooGrux420]

Shane's one of my favorites too. Dude sold everything so well and had so much charisma. :lol

I would love it if they released a Shane O'Mac DVD. I want his matches on DVD. :thumbsup

[kittensXLI]

1/10....

[Rodey]

I would love it if they released a Shane O'Mac DVD. I want his matches on DVD. :thumbsup

:lol That would be the tits! He also has the best theme song ever.

[Speilmen230]

I really don't understand what this episode accomplished. The crowd there better get a dark Main Event because this shit was abominable.

[GrooGrux420]

K3nTa, I officially proclaim this Raw worse than most Impacts (still no wheres close to Victory Road).

[GrooGrux420]

:lol That would be the tits! He also has the best theme song ever.
Oh fuck yes. I was talking about him the other day and switched my ringtone to Here Comes the Money. I get a whole bunch of weird looks too, but the opening is pretty damn cool. :lol

[kittensXLI]

I really don't understand what this episode accomplished. The crowd there better get a dark Main Event because this shit was abominable.
...To celebrate The Rock's birthday. I really don't understand why you ever expected anything more from this episode.

K3nTa, I officially proclaim this Raw worse than most Impacts (still no wheres close to Victory Road).
:lol:lol This Raw has turned you 'tarded.

[K3nTaKa0s]

K3nTa, I officially proclaim this Raw worse than most Impacts (still no wheres close to Victory Road).

Victory Road was going as expected up until the main event.

[GrooGrux420]

I found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHUzQqKowo

[GrooGrux420]

Victory Road was going as expected up until the main event.
It was still unbelievably boring up until the main event.

[K3nTaKa0s]

I think it looked more likely tonight that CM Punk might be on his way out. Until tonight, I thought he was just bargaining for a big deal.

[Rodey]

I found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHUzQqKowo

:lol:lol:lol:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[K3nTaKa0s]

What do you guys think about Mason Ryan getting a push over a lot of the under-utilized talent the WWE refuses to use?

[Speilmen230]

bull shit is what it is...

[BAHHHTIWaC]

This was a pathetic Raw. The only thing more pathetic is the fact that tonight's Miz/Cena match was unbelievably better than WM's Miz/Cena match.

[ant_marching41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_PxRLBbBGo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrCFqJwXbI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM53_oCtjcQ

Shane-o Mac was truly insane.

[Speilmen230]

dude was senile. You can see himself psyching himself up in the last video.

[hbktonyb]

I enjoyed Raw. I pretty much enjoy anything Rock.

[JacobLovesYou]

i enjoyed RAW. rock promo to open was good and the cena/miz match was one of the best RAW matches in recent years and much better than their wrestlemania match. i think the smaller arena added to the atmosphere. i can't believe some of you are so against tonight's show. have you SEEN some of the RAWs over the past year? :eek

[hbktonyb]

Butt there waznt enough actionz!@

[kittensXLI]

Butt there waznt enough actionz!@
51 minutes no wrasslin!!

[GrooGrux420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_PxRLBbBGo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrCFqJwXbI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM53_oCtjcQ

Shane-o Mac was truly insane.

Oh there is many more, who can forget HBK suplexing him off a ladder to the outside onto a couple of tables:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEn9MlSguds&feature=related

[kittensXLI]

One of my favorites : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESO_xQ5Bgs

[Speilmen230]

pulled this off of Wiki. they are usually pretty reliable when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Upcoming releases

DX: One Last Stand (Available on 4/5/11)
WrestleMania XXVII (Available on 5/3/11)
Extreme Rules 2011 (Available on 5/31/11)
The Best Of Nitro (Available on 6/7/11)
Over The Limit 2011 (Available on 6/21/11)
Best Cage Matches (Available on 6/28/11)
Rey Mysterio: The Life of a Masked Man (Available on 7/19/11)

[GrooGrux420]

One of my favorites : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESO_xQ5Bgs
I still cringe from the glass no sells. :eek

[Crush086]

I was entertained by the show last night, although it went how I expected with The Rock taking up a very large majority of the show. The title match happening at 10 was pretty shocking too coming on early.

Now I'm wondering of Cena actually holds the title for the next year almost since apparently WM's match is going to be a title match. I mean, Rock barely even shows up as it is, why bother putting a title on the line?

[GrooGrux420]

I was entertained by the show last night, although it went how I expected with The Rock taking up a very large majority of the show. The title match happening at 10 was pretty shocking too coming on early.

Now I'm wondering of Cena actually holds the title for the next year almost since apparently WM's match is going to be a title match. I mean, Rock barely even shows up as it is, why bother putting a title on the line?

I still don't know why they would announce something like that. It makes no sense what so ever. In fact it just makes every title defense now til WM a sham. Worse yet, is I have a feeling a Miz/Riley feud is brewing and I really don't care for it. Just means Miz is going back to the mid-card.

[JRS1386]

I still don't know why they would announce something like that. It makes no sense what so ever. In fact it just makes every title defense now til WM a sham. Worse yet, is I have a feeling a Miz/Riley feud is brewing and I really don't care for it. Just means Miz is going back to the mid-card.

Riley was drafted to SD how was he still on Raw?

[Doors Allan Coe]

Anytime I feel the urge to tune into RAW I always head to this thread and I am reminded why I stopped tuning in.

Hopefully TNA doesn't screw up it's possible re-launch. I'll be tuning in if they advertise and let me know when it's happening.

[hbktonyb]

Riley was drafted to SD how was he still on Raw?

They explained it by saying he has a personal services contract with Miz and that trumps everything.

[JRS1386]

They explained it by saying he has a personal services contract with Miz and that trumps everything.

Ah I missed that. How lame, let him go to SD and become his own wrestler without dragging Miz down or him being destroyed by Miz

[Crush086]

They explained it by saying he has a personal services contract with Miz and that trumps everything.
That makes no sense either. Unless Riley is going to be on both shows consistently I don't see how that's feasible. It looks like they'll be split up soon anyways though, so I suppose he'll just be on a handful more shows maybe to split, lose a match and bail to SD.

[JacobLovesYou]

cena isn't going to hold the title until WM... he'll lose it and he'll make it his quest to get it back and he'll be champ again by or at RR.

[kittensXLI]

cena isn't going to hold the title until WM... he'll lose it and he'll make it his quest to get it back and he'll be champ again by or at RR.
Why take it off Miz now then?

[Rodey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_PxRLBbBGo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrCFqJwXbI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM53_oCtjcQ

Shane-o Mac was truly insane.

Oh there is many more, who can forget HBK suplexing him off a ladder to the outside onto a couple of tables:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEn9MlSguds&feature=related

One of my favorites : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESO_xQ5Bgs

I had forgotten how ballsy Shane was. Amazing that someone who didn't need to be put through all that shit did it. That's why I always loved Shane. He was awesome.

[Crush086]

cena isn't going to hold the title until WM... he'll lose it and he'll make it his quest to get it back and he'll be champ again by or at RR.
It just makes no sense to announce it almost a year in advance. A month or two in advance, sure, but such a claim devalues the title more than it already has been by pulling such a stunt because you know that even if he were to lose the title he'll get it back before WM.

[Speilmen230]

Exclusive: Backstage News on Randy Orton, SD! and Triple H
by Nick Paglino
May 02, 2011

Randy Orton is not only adjusting very well to his new role as lead character on WWE's Friday Night Smackdown, he is quickly assuming the role as locker room leader in The Undertaker's absence, according to a very well placed WWE key insider.

"When (WWE Chairman) Vince (McMahon) made the decision to move Randy to Smackdown, there was a lot of concern from the writers and the producers that Randy would view it as a demotion from Monday Night Raw," we were told this evening.

"But Randy viewed it as a chance to break out from underneath John Cena's grip on the very top spot in WWE," our key insider continued, "And he also viewed it as a chance to step up even further and become the true undisputed leader of a locker room, which has been a role filled by Cena since Undertaker has been around so infrequently."

The WWE source continued, "the locker room dynamic is much different now than even six months ago, as HHH is gaining popularity in his role as liason between the talent and Vince. The wrestlers feel HHH understands things from a talent perspective, and that's winning him a lot of points. He also advises the wrestlers on how they can solve problems with Vince, so HHH in many ways has become what's he's always wanted to be ... the top dog in the locker room and in the office."

But the key insider also says, "Randy will never be in the McMahon Family, so wrestlers also understand HHH's loyalty to his own father-in-law. Randy recognizes how huge an opportunity becoming the focal point of Smackdown, both on camera and corporately, can be for him!"

[Rodey]

Maybe since he's been so positive about the move, they'll start writing good matches for him again.










Ah hell, who am I kidding? We're talking about the 'E here.

[Speilmen230]

yeah... it is the E you can't expect too much.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yay! Randy!

[BotheDMBFan]

Is there any doubt Christian's reign will be short as fuck, and Randy isn't champ in the next 3 months?

[kittensXLI]

Is there any doubt Christian's reign will be short as fuck, and Randy isn't champ in the next 3 months?
Sad but true.

[BotheDMBFan]

Not really sad. I think Randy and Christian feuding the next few months will be fun.

[kittensXLI]

Not really sad. I think Randy and Christian feuding the next few months will be fun.
I hate 3-month or less title reigns.

Randy turns heel?

[BotheDMBFan]

I hate 3-month or less title reigns.

Randy turns heel?

Not hard to believe.

[kittensXLI]

Not hard to believe.
He does have a heel beard now.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahw447ArDlQ&NR=1

amazing promo. God he was sooo good.

[Speilmen230]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvUK_-YSUQo&feature=related

He is hitting the nail on the head.

[shoegal_97]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahw447ArDlQ&NR=1

amazing promo. God he was sooo good.

I love this

[JacobLovesYou]

About Cena/title: I'm not saying it doesn't devalue the title, but I think the biggest reason Cena won Sun is because the rock was on last night. Of course it devalues it knowing that at WM he'll be champ, but I still think he loses the belt and has to to have a mad dash "quest" to get it back. Idk when he loses it, but he probably gets it back at RR. Vince isn't dumb enough to let the title be "defended" in what would end up being meaningless matches for 10 whole months.

[shoegal_97]

About Cena/title: I'm not saying it doesn't devalue the title, but I think the biggest reason Cena won Sun is because the rock was on last night. Of course it devalues it knowing that at WM he'll be champ, but I still think he loses the belt and has to to have a mad dash "quest" to get it back. Idk when he loses it, but he probably gets it back at RR. Vince isn't dumb enough to let the title be "defended" in what would end up being meaningless matches for 10 whole months.

Let's hope this is true

[K3nTaKa0s]

"When Alberto Del Rio came to the ring for guest commentary during a welcome to Raw tag team match, Mathews said that Del Rio was there to scout some of his new competition now that he has been drafted to Raw."

Heh!

[Speilmen230]

ha... i get it. it was all people from smackdown.

[canes101190]

The Rock is the man. Wish I could've gone last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvCc_z69GpI

[hbktonyb]

Or you can sit in your little box and look like a little drunk hobbit jackbag bitch.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Tough Enough contestant Luke Robinson appears to be featured as "Donnie Drake" on the BG East wrestling website, which markets "gay oriented wrestling videos," according to the company's own description.

[BotheDMBFan]

I need some help, kids.

I got contacted back from that site, and while I won't be getting paid to write, they have asked me to write an article for them to see if they want to use me.

I am considering writing either a review or an article on the rise and fall of Dixie Carter.

[kittensXLI]

I need some help, kids.

I got contacted back from that site, and while I won't be getting paid to write, they have asked me to write an article for them to see if they want to use me.

I am considering writing either a review or an article on the rise and fall of Dixie Carter.
Help with what?

[BotheDMBFan]

Figuring out which one to do.

[kittensXLI]

Figuring out which one to do.
Well, which do you feel more knowledgeable about?

[BotheDMBFan]

Well, which do you feel more knowledgeable about?

A review is easy, but I'm not sure how flashy it is.

If I were to do the TNA article, I'd need some sources to help me out. Obviously Carter's beyond fucking retarded address a couple years ago to TNA employees would be the centerpiece. But I need more than that.

[kittensXLI]

A review is easy, but I'm not sure how flashy it is.

If I were to do the TNA article, I'd need some sources to help me out. Obviously Carter's beyond fucking retarded address a couple years ago to TNA employees would be the centerpiece. But I need more than that.
There's a few article's linked in this thread about Dixie and TNA. Good luck searching this thread for them, though. They'd be great sources to cite, however.

[BotheDMBFan]

I know. I think I'm gonna nab shit from Bleacher Report, Ringside Report, and other wrestling sites.

[kittensXLI]

I know. I think I'm gonna nab shit from Bleacher Report, Ringside Report, and other wrestling sites.
Post the links in here of the articles you at least consider referencing. I'd be interested in (re)reading.

[BotheDMBFan]

No doubt.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/karen-jarrett-reportedly-subject-of-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-against-tna/ I just found this. HOLY FUCKING HILARIOUS, BATMAN!

[kittensXLI]

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/karen-jarrett-reportedly-subject-of-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-against-tna/ I just found this. HOLY FUCKING HILARIOUS, BATMAN!
:lol That can't be true. That's far too pathetic to be true.

[BotheDMBFan]

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/matt-hardy-announces-match-for-impact-tna-stars-upset-with-lethal-s-departu/

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol That can't be true. That's far too pathetic to be true.

Sad thing? It makes PERFECT sense.

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/dixie-carter-tease-fails-to-generate-locker-room-buzz/

[kittensXLI]

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/matt-hardy-announces-match-for-impact-tna-stars-upset-with-lethal-s-departu/
I heard he's going to ROH, at least for one match. Forget where it was said online though.

[kittensXLI]

Sad thing? It makes PERFECT sense.

http://www.ringsidenews.com/news/dixie-carter-tease-fails-to-generate-locker-room-buzz/
:lol:lol Truth bomb dropped.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't have much that I can really write about. But how fucking fucked is TNA?

[kittensXLI]

I don't have much that I can really write about. But how fucking fucked is TNA?
Well, it obviously really depends on the "rebranding". Heck, even if the only thing they did was completely clean house as far as creative goes, it'd be so much better. Starting completely over would be best.

[BotheDMBFan]

I could do a piece on what TNA should do to "rebrand".

[kittensXLI]

I could do a piece on what TNA should do to "rebrand".
That'd be a fantastic idea.

[K3nTaKa0s]

WWE Raw on Monday, May 2 scored a 3.45 rating featuring The Rock's birthday, fall-out from Extreme Rules, and John Cena vs. The Miz for the WWE Title.

Raw was essentially flat compared to last week's Draft episode, which scored a 3.47 rating.

TV viewership was also very close. This week's Raw averaged 5.22 million viewers compared to 5.20 million viewers for the Draft episode.

-- The interesting aspect of this week's Raw is the first hour outdrew the second hour by a significant margin.

Raw scored a 3.6 first hour rating and averaged 5.41 million viewers. In the second hour, Raw scored a 3.3 rating and averaged 5.03 million viewers.

[BotheDMBFan]

Because last nights Raw was a shitty Impact episode.

[Speilmen230]

I could do a piece on what TNA should do to "rebrand".

Absolutely. Do that. Idk how much help you want with that, but there are a ton of ideas you can go off of on here from what DAC and I have posted.

[Speilmen230]

I do believe i am going to try and make it up to Dayton in August for an ROH event. Maybe Jay and a few others will have ditched TNA and gone back to ROH. Possibly Punk... :D

$35 for reserved front row
$20 for reserved second row
$10 for reserved third row
$15 for general admission

[jackisback24]

this was good.

http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1304449083

[BotheDMBFan]

Absolutely. Do that. Idk how much help you want with that, but there are a ton of ideas you can go off of on here from what DAC and I have posted.

Yeah. I'll do the meat based on the basic ideas of what they should do. Cut payroll, get WAY younger, new management, etc. Then steal your guys' ideas too. :)

[Speilmen230]

TNA should have Sting lose the title the Kurt Angle.

When Kurt wins he should throw the TNA World Championship down. Then ring in a nex era with a new belt. Kurt Angle resumes history and the as the Professional Wrestling's International Champion.

This signals not only a new era for TNA, but a new era for professional wrestling. Now North America and TNA will house the most coveted and highly contested for title in the world.

Kurt Angle will reserve action and title defenses for PPV's. His monthly opponent will be announced within a week of his last defense.

Kurt Angle set the stage for this new championship by announcing at TNA's next PPV he will defend his belt against the toughest opponent in the world IWGP's Heavyweight Champion Hiroshi Tanahashi.

TNA International Championship
Kurt Angle (c) v. Hiroshi Tanahashi
-24 minutes - Angle wins via top rope german suplex.
-Bloody and stiff match
-Photo highlight w/ sound are shown several time during impact
-Kurt Angle shows up, battered but anticipating the announcement of his next opponent for they next PPV.


Would you buy that?

TNA should try and appeal to Professional Wrestling fans and leave the sports entertainment crowd to the WWE.

PPVs would consist of 7-8 matches. Including the International, Tag Team, and X Division Champions. However, the television title will NOT be defended on PPV. Instead the Television champion would defend his title EVERY Impact.

The Tag Team division will be re-introduced. Teams including The Hardys, London/Kendrick, Beer Money, The Briscoes, The Dudleys, and others. The Tag Team Title will be defended bi-monthly including one defense in the Impact Main Event.

Getting better?

Post-PPV Impact
Main Event - TV Title Match
1 PPV Re-match
Tag Team Match - Tag Division Implications
1 Match to determine next weeks TV title match
Special Attraction Match

Photo Highlights from the PPV
A Match or Segment determining TNA's International Title contender
- Champion, barring injury, is in attendance at ring-side.

ALL CHAMPIONS minus the TV Champion and a possible PPV Re-match will NOT wrestle on the Impact following a PPV.


How is that for a tight logical impact? The post-PPV show will seemingly book itself. Not only will fans be interested to who the next challenger for the International Title will be, but they will also get a main event caliber TV Title defense to close the show.

I also think the International Champion should take part in one Non-Title Exhibition (squash) match over the course of the month as a warm-up.

So what would you call it. IMPACT! Pro Wrestling..?

I would almost rather them go with Non-Stop Action Wrestling. NAW.

The problem with TNA is that it doesn't have wrestling in the abbreviation. So when you say TNA people have no clue what you are talking about other than maybe porn.

Well, I'm optimistic.

Pro Wrestling next progression is to mimic MMA. It mimicked Extreme Sports in the 90's.

I do think TNA stinks. But, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. changing your name isn't exactly something you do for no reason.

The idea of mimicking MMA that you posted a number of pages back was awesome on Paper.

Brand themselves as a REAL wrestling company. Don't do screwy finishes, and have it be cut and dry wins and loss records for the workers. They are on the same Network as the biggest MMA company on the planet right now, so why not go for it?

Work stiff main event matches, and have blood during the appropriate matches, and make the product have some attitude.

Make it into a true Wrestling product, with storylines that link the matches together and have the product be LOGICAL. Make it 'competition' based.

Exactly.

It's a simple concept. Not only is it less complex than what they do now, but it utilizes the best part of TNA (IMPACT!) the awesome workers they have.

They should have a screwjob title change, then the title is vacated. They take a week off TV, do a studio show talking about Impact! and the upcoming title tourney. On the following Impact! TV hold the 8 man tournament and hold off the finals until the re-launch Impact! PPV.

RVD v. AJ Styles? I'd consider buying that in hopes of the best match in history.

My vision would be to have guys like AJ, Kurt, Daniels, Roode, Storm, Morgan, Alex Shelly, Chris Saban, & (an in shape) Samoa Joe, be their top tier guys.

These are their best workers and these are the guys who would be able to/can work stiff matches and sell really well.

I think you keep the core of pro-wrestling, Win by Pin-Fall and Submission and it is a match not Rounds, BUT you add the element of KO and Referee Stoppage.

KOs and TKOs would be great feud builders.


Here is the whole conversation bo. :lol

[Speilmen230]

TNA should have Sting lose the title the Kurt Angle.

When Kurt wins he should throw the TNA World Championship down. Then ring in a nex era with a new belt. Kurt Angle resumes history and the as the Professional Wrestling's International Champion.

This signals not only a new era for TNA, but a new era for professional wrestling. Now North America and TNA will house the most coveted and highly contested for title in the world.

Kurt Angle will reserve action and title defenses for PPV's. His monthly opponent will be announced within a week of his last defense.

Kurt Angle set the stage for this new championship by announcing at TNA's next PPV he will defend his belt against the toughest opponent in the world IWGP's Heavyweight Champion Hiroshi Tanahashi.

TNA International Championship
Kurt Angle (c) v. Hiroshi Tanahashi
-24 minutes - Angle wins via top rope german suplex.
-Bloody and stiff match
-Photo highlight w/ sound are shown several time during impact
-Kurt Angle shows up, battered but anticipating the announcement of his next opponent for they next PPV.


Would you buy that?

Here is another bo. probably the best one of the whole bunch.

[Doors Allan Coe]

tna should try and appeal to professional wrestling fans and leave the sports entertainment crowd to the wwe.

Ppvs would consist of 7-8 matches. Including the international, tag team, and x division champions. However, the television title will not be defended on ppv. Instead the television champion would defend his title every impact.

The tag team division will be re-introduced. Teams including the hardys, london/kendrick, beer money, the briscoes, the dudleys, and others. The tag team title will be defended bi-monthly including one defense in the impact main event.

Getting better?
post-ppv impact
main event - tv title match
1 ppv re-match
tag team match - tag division implications
1 match to determine next weeks tv title match
special attraction match

photo highlights from the ppv
a match or segment determining tna's international title contender
- champion, barring injury, is in attendance at ring-side.

All champions minus the tv champion and a possible ppv re-match will not wrestle on the impact following a ppv.


How is that for a tight logical impact? The post-ppv show will seemingly book itself. Not only will fans be interested to who the next challenger for the international title will be, but they will also get a main event caliber tv title defense to close the show.

I also think the international champion should take part in one non-title exhibition (squash) match over the course of the month as a warm-up.

impact! Impact!

[Crush086]

Is there anything The Rock can't do?

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/did-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-know-of-osama-bin-ladens-death-before-the-press-20110504-1e79s.html

[Crush086]

Also, not sure if srs

Warning: Huge Smackdown spoiler if true



Randy Orton wins the title from Christian on Friday. Supposedly he demands a shot with Khali, the fans choose Orton, and he pins Christian to win.

I love Orton and all, but this is fucking ridiculous if it's true....

[kittensXLI]

Is there anything The Rock can't do?

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/did-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-know-of-osama-bin-ladens-death-before-the-press-20110504-1e79s.html
1.) Properly sell a Stone Cold Stunner.

2.) Make a good movie.

That's all I can think of.

[K3nTaKa0s]

Oh, it's true.

[Crush086]

1.) Properly sell a Stone Cold Stunner.

2.) Make a good movie.

That's all I can think of.
I thought he had some good movies. I figure Fast 5 will be solid, but I enjoyed Faster. Sure it wasn't a jaw dropping grammy performance, but it was a solid action flick.

I'll definitely agree on his Disney and kid movies though.

[kittensXLI]

I thought he had some good movies. I figure Fast 5 will be solid, but I enjoyed Faster. Sure it wasn't a jaw dropping grammy performance, but it was a solid action flick.

I'll definitely agree on his Disney and kid movies though.
I think his only movies I've seen are Gridiron Gang and The Gameplan (which idc, I liked, whatever). When you're bored and have a couple hours to waste they aren't bad to have on in the background. Apparently people have loved him in Fast 5, so that's good to hear too obviously.

[Rodey]

Wow, apparently quite the shocker on SD this week.

Christian jobs the title to Orton.

[kittensXLI]

from Zack's Twitter, haha : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUR5eBEURKk

[kittensXLI]

Thanks you two for keeping SD stuff spoilered. I never read the results ahead of time incase I wind up home to watch it when it airs (if not, just go read the results after obviously). I definitely don't like knowing about SD ahead of time.

[Rodey]

Thanks you two for keeping SD stuff spoilered. I never read the results ahead of time incase I wind up home to watch it when it airs (if not, just go read the results after obviously). I definitely don't like knowing about SD ahead of time.

No problem, bro. I usually don't read them either, but just happened to this week. I'm not like Bo who just blurts on Tough Enough results! :violent

[kittensXLI]

:thumbsup And I mean, I don't recall people going off about SD or Impact spoilers in here ahead of time very often in the past, but with supposedly big news for a taped event now, just wanted to clarify the usage of spoilers is greatly appreciated.

[JRS1386]

If it is true, fuck them hard. That is the biggest fucking piece of shit ever

[GrooGrux420]

So I was going through some voicemails I missed through out the day. My cousin (works PR at the arena) informed me of the press release (more like email updates from WWE's PR) sent out with a new tentative Main Event to promote for Raw.

WWE Raw Event Card
Main Event
WWE Championship Match
JOHN CENA VS. THE MIZ

Plus All of Your Favorite RAW Superstars Including:
REY MYSTERIO
ALBERTO DEL RIO
THE BIG SHOW
CM PUNK
DOLPH ZIGGLER
R-TRUTH
JOHN MORRISON
KOFI KINGSTON
JACK SWAGGER
BRIE & NIKKI BELLA
KELLY KELLY
AND MORE!!!

http://www.attcenter.com/default.asp?att_center=12&objid=748

The dark main event match of Cena/Orton vs. Punk/Miz is still in the press release and to continue to be advertised via commercials, print media and radio spots. Take it for what it's worth.


Really not sure what promoting a Cena/Miz title match AND Cena/Orton vs. Punk/Miz tag match accomplishes. Of course shit changes all the time, but really odd they would send official word to promote both matches in their final push for sales. :confused

[hbktonyb]

Do they really have no confidence in Christian at all, or could he possibly be hurt?? Such bullshit.

[Doors Allan Coe]

New Japan is heading to NJ, NYC, and Philly in a couple of weeks!

The top company from Japan, New Japan Pro-Wrestling is heading to Philadelphia, PA at the Asylum Arena, fomerly known as the ECW Arena, on Sunday, May 15 2011 with a 5:00pm belltime.

On this show you can see former WWE/TNA personalities such as MVP, Low Ki (Kaval, Season 2 NXT Winner), Charlie Haas, Homicide, and from ROH fame Davey Richards, plus many top names from New Japan will be in action.

Also expected during this show is the historic crowning of the first-ever IWGP InterContinental Champion.

If you are a wrestling fan, you do NOT want to miss out this rare opportunity to see wrestling at its best as New Japan Pro Wrestling Invades Philadelphia!

For tickets, go to: http://www.japw.net

For more information, go to: http://njpw.japw.net

SOUTH PHILLY STREET FIGHT
Rhino
-VS-
Togi MakabeJAPW LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jushin "Thunder" Liger
-VS-
Kenny OmegaPLUS SO MUCH MORE TO BE ANNOUNCED SOON!!

....

Here is the card for the NJ show on Friday...

TAG TEAM DREAM MATCH
Homicide & Low Ki
-VS-
Jushin "Thunder" Liger & Tiger Mask IVIWGP INTER-CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
ROUND 1
Hideo Saito
-VS-
Yujiro TakahashiIWGP INTER-CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
ROUND 1
Tetsuya Naito
-VS-
Tama TongaIWGP INTER-CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
ROUND 1
Dan Maff
-VS-
Toru YanoIWGP INTER-CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
ROUND 1
MVP
-VS-
Kazuchika Okada
-----

NJPW > TNA?

[Rodey]

:ugh

Cena vs. Miz for the title again? Getting a little ridiculous here.

And as for the SD thing...

It really is bullshit. I bet they're giving Orton the title because they saw his willingness to go to Smackdown as a "sacrifice" and are really appreciative of it. Either that or he's pissed and demanded it. Sucks really hard to take it away from Christian though unless of course, he's injured. From what I read though, it was a "great match" so that would kind of eliminate the serious injury aspect of things. Pisses me off even more because of what happened to Del Rio. He should have won if they didn't want Christian with the belt.

[kittensXLI]

What about Cena/Miz again? Part 3 @ Over The Limit?

[JRS1386]

ADR was not winning the belt once drafted to Raw unless Cena was truly staying on SD. No way Raw got both belts

[Rodey]

I know, I'm saying that if they were going to have Christian lose the title a week after winning it, ADR should have never been drafted to Raw in the first place and should have just won at Extreme Rules. I guess maybe then it'd be him losing it to Orton, but maybe not. They're just handling the WHC very poorly right now.

[JRS1386]

They should really work on Orton becoming a true heel in SD before just giving him the belt. Have him interfere in several matches and make him the guy everyone hates and make him a dominant force. Have him declare that he is the new big guy in SD and say he is coming after Christian for the belt. If Christian is going to drop the belt, at least let him lose it in some dignity at a PPV and hold it for more than 2 days (since SD is taped Tuesday's right?)

[Crush086]

From what I've read, Orton is trying to become the "John Cena" of Smackdown's locker room. Pretty much trying to be the leader, especially since the Undertaker is out for God knows how long. He was actually excited to be drafted to SD, so he could also get out of Cena's shadow.

That being said, him getting the title so soon could be because of how he handled the situation, and his willingness to try to step up as a leader. Why they're actually giving him the title so soon is beyond me, and really shows how idiotic creative is for booking a ADR/Christian match with the intent of stripping him so soon. At the very least they could've had Orton weasle his way into the title match somehow, maybe by him saying since he's on SD he deserves to be in Extreme Rules title match (since he basically did just that on SD), or even talked Christian into it since he's a ladder match expert it should be easy for him anyways. That way they could've not given Christian the useless 2 day reign and make the title that less relevant, and then also developed a better feud that way, with Christian saying he was screwed at the PPV, etc.

[hbktonyb]

From what I understand, both Christian and Orton are remaining faces, correct? Could smackdown really get by with their main heels being Henry, Cody and Sheamus? Doesn't seem like Barrett and DiBiase are main event ready yet.

[JRS1386]

I've read a 2nd spoiler that says Orton wins. This is so infuriating.

[keithcoldroses]

Can anyone tell me the times Kurt Angle was a face in WWE? All I can remember is during the 2001 Invasion angle.

[BotheDMBFan]

No problem, bro. I usually don't read them either, but just happened to this week. I'm not like Bo who just blurts on Tough Enough results! :violent

Tough Enough is on live-ish. I don't feel bad. Kinda like how ROH is dying because Jim Cornette is retarded. I don't feel bad because they hired a redneck retard.

[BotheDMBFan]

Can anyone tell me the times Kurt Angle was a face in WWE? All I can remember is during the 2001 Invasion angle.

When he came back from the injury at Wrestlemania.

[hbktonyb]

I think Tough Enough is fair game as it is airing. After Raw, they air last week's episode, not the one that was on at 8.

[JacobLovesYou]

i can't believe that they couldn't even at least wait until over the limit to give orton the belt. everyone knew he was going to get it as soon as possible, but i don't think anyone realized it was going to be to LITERALLY as soon as possible.

[JacobLovesYou]

"you'd fuck up a wet dream" - by bookah was the best part of TE last week

[BotheDMBFan]

Not a fan of Orton getting the strap so early, and I think he is the best on the roster.

[Rodey]

Tough Enough is on live-ish. I don't feel bad. Kinda like how ROH is dying because Jim Cornette is retarded. I don't feel bad because they hired a redneck retard.

I think Tough Enough is fair game as it is airing. After Raw, they air last week's episode, not the one that was on at 8.

I just prefer that you guys spoiler it since I don't usually end up watching it before Raw. Usually by the time I come on to start talking about Raw, it's back a few pages anyway and I don't bother, but it got brought up once during the Raw convo once and spoiled it for me. Wasn't a huge deal, but yeah. I guess you don't have to spoiler it, just don't mention anything else once Raw has started at least.

[BotheDMBFan]

I just prefer that you guys spoiler it since I don't usually end up watching it before Raw. Usually by the time I come on to start talking about Raw, it's back a few pages anyway and I don't bother, but it got brought up once during the Raw convo once and spoiled it for me. Wasn't a huge deal, but yeah. I guess you don't have to spoiler it, just don't mention anything else once Raw has started at least.

It's just such a massive pain in the ass to spoiler everything before you write everything out. That said, during Raw I will say nothing.

[kittensXLI]

It's just such a massive pain in the ass to spoiler everything before you write everything out. That said, during Raw I will say nothing.
Just copy/paste the spoiler tags. Takes .3 seconds.

[BotheDMBFan]

Just copy/paste the spoiler tags. Takes .3 seconds.

I'm usually busy doing 3 or 4 different things while internetting.

[AndySlash]

ah the good old spoiler discussion.

listen, if you can't be arsed to watch tough enough, which airs right before raw, you can't come in here, the dedicated wrestling thread, and expect to not see discussion about the wrestling show that just ended. the show aired, and ended within minutes of raw starting to boot! people will be talking about it, and should be able to talk about it. it's definitely unlike the smackdown situation above, where the show hasn't seen air. in my opinion, which i can accept people not agreeing with, it's on the person who hasn't seen tough enough to decide whether they want to view the thread during raw, not the people who want to talk about it without having to worry about who hasn't seen it yet.

[kittensXLI]

Not even spoilering all Tough Enough talk though. Just the results. I watch TE before Raw, so it doesn't apply to me a whole lot, but hiding the elimination doesn't seem to be too much to ask for those missing it.

[kittensXLI]

EXCLUSIVE: Update on CM Punk's Future With WWE
Follow Justin LaBar on Twitter
by Justin LaBar
May 04, 2011

In an update to an earlier report concerning CM Punk's future with the WWE, I have learned that a major issue in the negotiations of CM Punk re-signing with the company is the trademark of his name.

As of now, Vince McMahon and the WWE don't own the name CM Punk. They would like him to sign over the rights to the name which appears to be a hold up in a quick agreement between both sides to continue working together long term.

It appears that CM Punk would like to remain with the WWE but wants to be sure he looks out for himself. As one source told me, "Punk knows that WWE is the secure place for him to be at this point in his career but is a smart business man."

CM Punk is one of the few wrestlers who was well established on the independent circuit and kept his ring name when being signed by the WWE. It is common the WWE gives the performer a name change so they do have ownership and rights to their WWE identity. Bryan Danielson's name being changed to Daniel Bryan is a recent example.

Be sure to contine to check WZ as we will bring you any further updates on this situation.
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/exclusive-update-on-cm-punks-future-with-wwe-129397

[Speilmen230]

I am not opposed to spoilering the results. not a huge deal, but im not gonna sit there and spoiler my predictions throughout the episode, or things like that.

[Speilmen230]

Oh fuck that shit with him signing over his name. He IS CM Punk. If he goes back to the indies, It would be a huge asset to be able to use the CM Punk name. Although he most likely finishes his career there in the E, I would hope he gets to keep the rights to his name.

[hbktonyb]

If you haven't heard by now - Randy Orton defeated Christian at Tuesday's WWE SmackDown tapings from Orlando to capture the World Heavyweight championship. (VIDEO)

When news leaked online of the title change, fans bombarded the WWE twitter account with negative feedback. Styles responded to those angry fans with the following:

"When sending hate tweets to myself or @WWE because of @Christian4Peeps, @RandyOrton and the World Heavyweight Championship, please be PG ;)"

In related news, Randy Orton has been re-tweeting messages from angry fans writing on his own Twitter page. Orton retweeted this one:

"You won the title.Vince has no idea how much people are hating YOU on the Internet. I hope you continue to lose all your fans."

[Speilmen230]

Big mistake by the 'E apparently. Maybe this will show them how over Christian really is.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh fuck that shit with him signing over his name. He IS CM Punk. If he goes back to the indies, It would be a huge asset to be able to use the CM Punk name. Although he most likely finishes his career there in the E, I would hope he gets to keep the rights to his name.

I can see why WWE wants the name, but I'd hope they would budge on it.

[Speilmen230]

I absolutely see why they want it too, but wtf are they gonna do? Let him go because they want his name, and he doesn't wanna let it go??

[BotheDMBFan]

Maybe they knew the reaction would be like this, and figured this was the best way to turn Orton PURE heel, having both marks and smarks hate him. Setting up a long Rock v Mankind type feud where the title kept changing between the two of them.

[BotheDMBFan]

I absolutely see why they want it too, but wtf are they gonna do? Let him go because they want his name, and he doesn't wanna let it go??

Why not? They know they're the only good, thriving name in town.

PS, get on AIM you guy-liker.

[kittensXLI]

I can see why WWE wants the name, but I'd hope they would budge on it.
Assuming he's been smart with his money, he has complete control. WWE needs him more than he needs WWE if that's the case. He'll retain his name and his character with the ability to work literally anywhere he wants with no setbacks as far as schedule, money, or character goes. WWE would lose probably it's most valuable worker minus Cena and easily their most talented worker. They'll budge on the name first. Unless Punk signs over the name for crazy clauses like creative control, scheduling benefits, money, or a co-ownership like 'E/The Rock have.

Still would rather see him take time off regardless of the outcome if the burnout stuff is still underlying.

[Speilmen230]

Punk has the wrestling world by the balls if you ask me. He can tell WWE to shove it, and take his talents elsewhere and be an instant top guy and top draw.

[BotheDMBFan]

Punk has the wrestling world by the balls if you ask me. He can tell WWE to shove it, and take his talents elsewhere and be an instant top guy and top draw.

The problem is that pretty much nowhere else matters. Except Japan, where I don't actually know if he'd be a top guy.

[kittensXLI]

:lol Someone was on Twitter a few nights ago and asked Coach if he was the Raw GM. Sadly he's not.

[BotheDMBFan]

Raw GM is JBL.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Raw GM is JBL.

I was just thinking of him the other day!

I really enjoyed his title run.

[Doors Allan Coe]

The problem is that pretty much nowhere else matters. Except Japan, where I don't actually know if he'd be a top guy.

He could start wrestling next revolution!

[Speilmen230]

Punk/Angle for the 'Impact' World Title would get me to purchase a PPV from that one company down south.

[Doors Allan Coe]

Punk/Angle for the 'Impact' World Title would get me to purchase a PPV from that one company down south.

Punk v. Styles
Punk v. Joe
Punk v. Angle
Punk v. RVD
the list is endless...

IMPACT should offer to build the fucking company around him. Make Punk the man.

I would instantly start watching TNA. I'm sure I would quickly get sick it. But, if they actually built him up as a superstar he could easily turn the company around.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I would even argue Punk v. Flair would be a huge draw. If they built it right.

Imagine that main evented the final PPV of the year with Punk v. Flair. The could make it like Starrcade used to be. One last woooooo...

Flair losing him Final FINAL match of his career live on PPV ringing in the new era of professional wrestling. Hell he could shake his hand after the match and celebrate teh dawning of a new era in professional wrestling...

[BotheDMBFan]

I was just thinking of him the other day!

I really enjoyed his title run.

I hated it. Longest reigning transitional champ ever.

[BotheDMBFan]

I honestly don't know if Punk could carry a BIG company.

[kittensXLI]

I honestly don't know if Punk could carry a BIG company.
He definitely could.

[BotheDMBFan]

He definitely could.

I hope so, he's great.

[Speilmen230]

I think he could. Especially if they are going for the alternative look.

He makes a great cheesy face, serious face, serious anti-hero, cult leader, jackass heel, preachy heel, intelligent heel, or serious heel.

He is your all around guy who can pull of just about anything.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm actually not a huge fan of Face Punk.

He's SO much better as a heel.

[kittensXLI]

I'm actually not a huge fan of Face Punk.

He's SO much better as a heel.
I don't care that I'm a Punk ballwasher. He's perfect.

[Speilmen230]

Just look at all his different looks:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4233/ses.png
http://mimg.ugo.com/200809/28626/roh-title.jpg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJtzpWTXIlln-shsFtZjIdKUNO5UkD700CN_YUc4jUOyXCs8cTqw&t=1
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j1emWa31qTc/TaXLu6kfigI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/xui7FmItBsU/s1600/wwe_cm_punk_wall_2_by_gogeta126-d390fq8.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_b_WGMZ_QG08/TLrBYSAw6CI/AAAAAAAAAEU/DZDVBl4gp9U/s1600/cm_punk.jpg

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't care that I'm a Punk ballwasher. He's perfect.

He's not perfect, fucking great though.

[BotheDMBFan]

Matt Hardy used to be talented, what the fuck happened?

[kittensXLI]

He's not perfect, fucking great though.
You're right. The decision to get those chest tattoos imperfected him.

[Rodey]

Not even spoilering all Tough Enough talk though. Just the results. I watch TE before Raw, so it doesn't apply to me a whole lot, but hiding the elimination doesn't seem to be too much to ask for those missing it.

This please.

Really that hard for people to spoiler who gets eliminated or leave their name out?

[Doors Allan Coe]

I hated it. Longest reigning transitional champ ever.

That is what was so great about it.

Everybody hated him. People wanted him to lose sooo badly. He was such an arrogant prick. He's what a great heel champion should be. A big, stiff, shit eating grin wearing prick. Plus he was rich on top of it. The bastard JBL!

[kittensXLI]

That is what was so great about it.

Everybody hated him. People wanted him to lose sooo badly. He was such an arrogant prick. He's what a great heel champion should be. A big, stiff, shit eating grin wearing prick. Plus he was rich on top of it. The bastard JBL!
Agreed completely.

[Speilmen230]

I know that i am the biggest Punk ball washer in here, but i am a firm believer that he is THE best talent in the E right now. I view him as the next Y2J. Great in ring, great charisma, great mic work, a unique good look, & good at both face and heel.

[BotheDMBFan]

That is what was so great about it.

Everybody hated him. People wanted him to lose sooo badly. He was such an arrogant prick. He's what a great heel champion should be. A big, stiff, shit eating grin wearing prick. Plus he was rich on top of it. The bastard JBL!

I wanted it to end in the bad way. Like, in the I stopped watching wrestling because it was boring.

[kittensXLI]

I wanted it to end in the bad way. Like, in the I stopped watching wrestling because it was boring.
That's how I feel about John Cena holding the title.

[BotheDMBFan]

That's how I feel about John Cena holding the title.

I can't blame you. It's getting there for me, too. I actually kinda dig Cena as the guy chasing the belt. Not as the guy who is there.

[kittensXLI]

I can't blame you. It's getting there for me, too. I actually kinda dig Cena as the guy chasing the belt. Not as the guy who is there.
The entire concept of a face chasing a heel for a LONG time, regardless if it's a normal feud, or for a title, or for the top title, is so underrated. Heck, even lost, in today's top businesses. Cena holding the title that long, and as a face, posterboy, market machine, is the complete opposite, and a massive turnoff.

[Doors Allan Coe]

I wanted it to end in the bad way. Like, in the I stopped watching wrestling because it was boring.

Yeah, I can't blame you.

But, it's tough to tell a good story when you are on TV every week. I honestly didn't really enjoy him at first. I didn't go out of my way to watch him. But sometimes it takes time for something to get over. He got better and better as his reign continued....

here is the wiki recap. read it. it's typical boring WWE booking. But, he make a lot out of a reign that was supposed to be forgettable.

JBL defeated Guerrero via disqualification in a match for Eddie's WWE title. A title cannot change hands by DQ, so Guerrero retained the title.[38] JBL controversially won the WWE Championship from Guerrero in a Texas Bull Rope match at The Great American Bash.[39] The initial decision of Guerrero's victory was reversed by then-General Manager Kurt Angle, awarding the match and the title to JBL; the replay showed that JBL touched the fourth corner before Guerrero.[39][40] JBL won a rematch in a steel cage two weeks later, again with Angle's assistance.[41]

After claiming he would not be defending the title at SummerSlam, the Undertaker challenged JBL for the title. Around this time, JBL hired Orlando Jordan to help him in title matches. At SummerSlam, JBL won the match by disqualification.[42] After the match, Undertaker chokeslammed JBL through the roof of his limo.[42] JBL wore a halo complete with his cowboy hat on top for the next few weeks to sell his "injuries". SmackDown! General Manager Theodore Long then booked a Last Ride match for the title at No Mercy. JBL retained the title with some help from Heidenreich.[43] Though JBL held the title for many months, most title matches were won controversially.[39][40] At Survivor Series, JBL defeated Booker T to retain his WWE Championship by hitting Booker in the face with the title belt when the referee was knocked out.[44] JBL defeated Eddie Guerrero, The Undertaker, and Booker T in a Fatal Four-Way at Armageddon after a run-in by Heidenreich, who incapacitated the Undertaker, allowing JBL to take advantage and hit Booker with the Clothesline From Hell to get the pinfall victory.[45]

During JBL's time as WWE Champion, he employed a "staff" to work for him. The stable was named The Cabinet.[46] At its peak, the stable contained Orlando Jordan, who was JBL's "Chief-of-Staff" and Doug and Danny Basham, who were his "Co-Secretaries of Defense" until "quitting" the Cabinet on the June 16, 2005 episode of SmackDown!.[46] Amy Weber was also a member, being JBL's image consultant, but later left WWE. WWE explained Weber's absence by saying that JBL "fired" her after an episode of SmackDown! taped in Japan. That episode saw Weber accidentally shoot JBL with a tranquilizer gun. Jordan is the only member not announced to have left the group, though mention of the term cabinet went on hiatus after SummerSlam and Orlando was released from WWE in May 2006.[46]

JBL's luck continued in early 2005; at the Royal Rumble, he sneaked past both Big Show and Kurt Angle in a Triple Threat match when he pinned Angle after the Clothesline From Hell.[47] He once again emerged with his title intact from WWE's first-ever Barbed Wire Steel Cage match at No Way Out against Big Show. JBL won the match when Big Show chokeslammed JBL off the top rope through the ring.[48] JBL managed to crawl out from under the ring apron before Show could make it to the floor, winning the match by escape.[48] On the next edition of SmackDown!, JBL had a "Celebration of Excellence" in which he and his Cabinet celebrated the fact that he was the longest-reigning WWE Champion in ten years, a party which was broken up and ruined by newly-crowned number one contender John Cena.[49] JBL was aggravated consistently by John Cena to make him retaliate as John Cena could then strike back. Cena failed to convince Layfield to do so.

JBL lost the WWE Title to John Cena at WrestleMania 21.[50] pinning JBL to become the new WWE Champion. Layfield's unbroken nine-month reign was billed as the longest in a decade, lasting 280 days. On the April 28 edition of SmackDown!, JBL defeated Big Show, Booker T, and Kurt Angle in a four-way elimination match to earn a rematch for the WWE title,[51] but lost to Cena at Judgment Day in an "I Quit" match.[52]

I haven't watched it since it happened. But, I remember enjoying the Cena match. The crowd was fucking wild for the title change. At least that's what I recall.

[Speilmen230]

It is so much more fun when a face is chasing and chasing and chasing and the heel KEEPS finding ways to win.

[Rodey]

John, my diet soda! :lol

[Rodey]

I still love how Ryder refers to himself as a former number one contender. :lol

[Rodey]

Del Rio's vignettes before his arrival were awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1wYJNizo-Q&feature=related

[kittensXLI]

I can't wait for episode 12 of Z! TLIS tomorrow.

[BotheDMBFan]

Foley as Commish was amazing.

[BotheDMBFan]

Freddie Blassie owns.

[Rodey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWKV4WtsmnM

So amazing.

[kittensXLI]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWKV4WtsmnM

So amazing.
Amazing. I listened to the fan cuts with the car horns a hundred times. So pumped there's finally a legit version.

[BotheDMBFan]

I just wish Del Rio wasn't so old.