Let's be specific

[bullox005]

I am one of those hated people who thinks Stand Up (album) sucks ass. Everytime I voice my opinion, i am met with an angry mob of people wanting to cut my head off.

I understand that many of you like the album, and that's great, but I have heard NOBODY explain, in detail, what it is about Stand Up that makes it so great. Everyone is saying, "this album rocks" among myriad other unfounded, imbecilic comments. Why does the album "rock"? Anyone can say something is good or bad. If i thought Hitler was great, and simply said, "Hilter was the man." that wouldn't make me correct in my assumption, so let's provide some reasoning for our views. shall we?

Here is my evidence for why i think stand up sucks (by dmb standards):

a) synth drum beats
b) sub-par/cheesy lyrics
c) impossible to translate most of the songs live because the album has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much "studio" in it
d) dave is not an electric guitar player. stick to the acoustic...leave the electric to warren.

I just don't see anything positive about this effort from the boys.

Will someone please tell me what it is about Stand Up that makes it worthy of praise?

and to that guy who will pass this thread off saying, "this doesn't deserve it's own thread." or "use the search feature."






...go fuck yourself

[ryguy178]

I am in the boat of general acceptance and liking of the album, if only because I find it simply enjoyable to the ear. If you forget the fact that it is DMB, and not up to DMB standards in my opinion, the music itself isn't that bad, and it is a very easy album to listen to passively. The music has a good, catchy beat to it, and I feel like a lot of the songs are original.

That being said, there are some pretty bad songs on this, and the lyrics, after taking the time to transcribe every one of them (see other thread) are actually pretty awful.

[themonkey]

hey man, im with you. I do although give the album credit for songs that might be jamed out well in concert. the album itself though, is quite obviously produced by the same guy as eminem. Its just not the DMB that made them my favorite band at all.

[bullox005]

I am in the boat of general acceptance and liking of the album, if only because I find it simply enjoyable to the ear. If you forget the fact that it is DMB, and not up to DMB standards in my opinion, the music itself isn't that bad, and it is a very easy album to listen to passively. The music has a good, catchy beat to it, and I feel like a lot of the songs are original.

That being said, there are some pretty bad songs on this, and the lyrics, after taking the time to transcribe every one of them (see other thread) are actually pretty awful.

thank you for being reasonable in your response

[DMBfan41]

I am in the boat of general acceptance and liking of the album, if only because I find it simply enjoyable to the ear. If you forget the fact that it is DMB, and not up to DMB standards in my opinion, the music itself isn't that bad, and it is a very easy album to listen to passively. The music has a good, catchy beat to it, and I feel like a lot of the songs are original.

That being said, there are some pretty bad songs on this, and the lyrics, after taking the time to transcribe every one of them (see other thread) are actually pretty awful.

This is all that needs to be said. Don't expect everything, the bars, the lyrics, the chords, the voice, the solos to all be good. Don't break down every aspect of the album. Just listen to it! It's very enjoyable to the ear...for the most part.

[haildmb]

the first few songs off the album gave me a feel of a continuation of Dave's solo album, with the band added in. Smooth Rider is awesome.

Then I hit Old Dirt Hill and ack :lol

But I'm at Hunger for the Great Light now and so far it's fantastic

[haildmb]

also I'm huge about lyrics. My favorite musicians don't only make good music, they write fantastic lyrics. And until this album, that was true of DMB too :lol

[bullox005]

This is all that needs to be said. Don't expect everything, the bars, the lyrics, the chords, the voice, the solos to all be good. Don't break down every aspect of the album. Just listen to it! It's very enjoyable to the ear...for the most part.

Why shouldn't we break down every aspect of the music?
Why shouldn't we expect "everything" to be good?

This is dmb. We have all grown to love the band BECAUSE "everything" is good. That is why i love the band...because every aspect of the music is brilliant. every single note and lyric on BTCS is flawless. it is the duty of any true fan to put a critical ear to what he hears. Don't we have standards anymore? To me, a dmb album cannot be enjoyable to the ear if it lacks that which i have grown to love...musical quality.

[klobb]

even though everything may seem to be shitty in this album, but for some reason, it's just really fucking good

[dmbosw41]

how many threads will there be

[DMBfan41]

Why shouldn't we break down every aspect of the music?
Why shouldn't we expect "everything" to be good?

This is dmb. We have all grown to love the band BECAUSE "everything" is good. That is why i love the band...because every aspect of the music is brilliant. every single note and lyric on BTCS is flawless. it is the duty of any true fan to put a critical ear to what he hears. Don't we have standards anymore? To me, a dmb album cannot be enjoyable to the ear if it lacks that which i have grown to love...musical quality.

you can break down every aspect if you'd like. You can expect everything to be good. I'm just saying you shouldn't

But, you do have to realize that you shouldn't have standards. You are the listener. You listen to what they make. They are the band, they make the music. They don't make it for you, they make it for themselves. And if you don't like it, and you don't like the direction that the band is going, keep listening to everything pre-Everyday.

[jay41]

I understand that many of you like the album, and that's great, but I have heard NOBODY explain, in detail, what it is about Stand Up that makes it so great.

:thumbsup Good point. I think the album is okay. Nothing really stands out and makes me go "wow, that was great." I'm hoping most of the songs translate nicely to the live setting without all of the production. We'll find out soon enough.

[GLR87]

Well Im not listening to anyone right now because you all had me feeling like this album is shit but when its good its great but the bad songs are really bad so heres my take

good songs:
Hello Again
stolen away
Louisiana Bayou
Dreamgirl
out of my hands

american baby is an ok

the rest i dont really like or havent listened to enough but if you can get 5 really good songs plus Joyride on the b-sides I dont care if the rest blows.

[BeQuietAndDrive]

This comment is just general and not directed at anyone in particular.

Regardless of whether I like the album or not, that is not an issue here. I am tired of seeing comments along the lines of "DMB betrayed us" or "Batson ruined DMB!". DMB made their own decisions with regards to this CD and it is not up to the fans to decided what sounds like DMB, it's up to DMB. The producer in this case just conveyed what DMB wanted onto the record. They hired Batson, Batson didn't hire DMb to play a bunch of songs he wrote and wanted recorded.

[bullox005]

This comment is just general and not directed at anyone in particular.

Regardless of whether I like the album or not, that is not an issue here. I am tired of seeing comments along the lines of "DMB betrayed us" or "Batson ruined DMB!". DMB made their own decisions with regards to this CD and it is not up to the fans to decided what sounds like DMB, it's up to DMB. The producer in this case just conveyed what DMB wanted onto the record. They hired Batson, Batson didn't hire DMb to play a bunch of songs he wrote and wanted recorded.

i agree, but...

how does this relate to anything that has been said in THIS thread? :confused

[wishyouwerehere]

This album has meaning beyond belief. I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, but to me its like a boy growing up and seeing the world for the first time. Dreamgirl is like a first crush..and Hunger (the last song) would ultimately be sex. I have many many interpretations for this album (I've listened to it for 4 hours now) and this just seems to stick out most. AB with war and everything. I find everything appealing. Personally I am left wanting more and wondering what will become of it. This material isn't finished because with DMB, nothing is ever quite finisihed and the boys will constantly be editing and adding.

You can think what you want, but I will tell you to kiss my ass whenever this album evolves into your favorite. (If it doesn't, I don't really care...it's already stuck in my head and soon will be stuck in my cd-player.) No harm meant, but I am quite strongly opinionated when it comes to this, so until these songs have made it to at least at least at least series 3, don't say this album sucks ass, because more than likely half the dmb community will flame your ass.

[HolyCow]

Really my only beef with this album is that I am missing Carter. He just seems like he is tapping a beat....he doesn't break out anything special. That is really my only problem.

[bullox005]

:thumbsup Good point. I think the album is okay. Nothing really stands out and makes me go "wow, that was great." I'm hoping most of the songs translate nicely to the live setting without all of the production. We'll find out soon enough.

I'm worried that the album is SO ABSURDLY OVERPRODUCED that these songs will be almost impossible to translate live. I hope that im wrong, but after hearing stand up and AB live...uh-oh

btw...i love your signature. one of my phav phish songs

[BeQuietAndDrive]

I'm worried that the album is SO ABSURDLY OVERPRODUCED that these songs will be almost impossible to translate live. I hope that im wrong, but after hearing stand up and AB live...uh-oh

btw...i love your signature. one of my phav phish songs

To be fair, Stand Up was only played once, and American Baby, the few times it was played, already has "up-and-down" performances like you would expect from even the older DMB songs.

The way I see it, this band has disappointed in the past with some studio material, but they have never disappointed me with their live performances (I, personally, listen to 95% live when I listen to DMB anyway). I find no reason to doubt that they can pull these songs off live with as much fervor and energy as some of their older material.

[ncdude2k3]

It's fresh. It's upbeat. Its fun to listen to. It includes new instruments. Everybody had a role in it. It's creative. Musicians have to challenge themselves..if ya dont understand that, Im sorry for ya. This album is fucking awesome.

[bullox005]

how many threads will there be

it's good to see that u actually read what i said at the beginning of this thread. :BANG :BANG :BANG






fucking idiot :ggoat :hump

[jay41]

I'm worried that the album is SO ABSURDLY OVERPRODUCED that these songs will be almost impossible to translate live. I hope that im wrong, but after hearing stand up and AB live...uh-oh

btw...i love your signature. one of my phav phish songs

Ahh, Phish, if only they were still together :shrug

I think they pulled of Louisiana Bayou nicely the first time they played it. Stand Up was rough and the energy in Dave's voice just wasn't there like it is on the album version. The 5 songs from last summer evolved nicely over the course of the summer and I'm hoping the same holds true for the songs off this album, but I think it'll be more difficult to accomplish...

[2stepp41]

its a good studio album that is easy to listen to...but when u come down to it, the album may be too overproduced to be good live and if u think about dmb is all about the live setting, all we can do is hope

[dmbosw41]

it's good to see that u actually read what i said at the beginning of this thread. :BANG :BANG :BANG






fucking idiot :ggoat :hump


:haha

[citydress]

Do I hate this album? No.
Do I think it's absolutely amazing, the greatest thing ever? No.

So I'm a bit upset that Stand Up didn't evoke stronger feelings from me. I feel as if it is good music and good listening but the overproduction kills it. I'm sitting here mourning the loss of Carter and hating the drum machiene or synthesizer or whatever the heck is going on there. My head was in my hands when I first heard the 'breakdown' at the end of You Might Die Trying. Reminded me of the beats in an early 90s Mariah Carey dance number.

I do however, realize the need for growth (in any creative process) and highly respect the boys for their experimentation and evolution. As a fan, I'm keeping an open mind and am curious and looking forward to seeing how these songs translate live. This band, after all, is a live band...and as someone said before, 90% of the time when I am listening to them, it's a live show. I think we have alot in store for us this summer and for that I'm very excited.

It's crazy how much this album has stirred me, in making me think about musical evolution as a whole and the dynamics of this band. It's a crazy new era, my friends.

[dmb328]

I will say that this album turned out better than I thought it would, and we all knew from the start that the songs would be over produced....but there were signs of promise on the album.

However, and I don't mean to get too far ahead of the times, but I can see something pretty great coming from their next album (crosses fingers)...

[citydress]

:lol I've already been thinking about the next album too.

[siouxsiesue]

I am one of those hated people who thinks Stand Up (album) sucks ass. Everytime I voice my opinion, i am met with an angry mob of people wanting to cut my head off.


...go fuck yourself

bullox005, you really need to chill, this CD hasn't even been released yet. regardless, it's just a Dave Matthews Band album...no angry mobs will come after you for not liking it. :cool

i'll try to disregard that last part. :shrug

[nonewdirections]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that no album, however good or bad, deserves this much scrutiny, positive or negative. I don't really like it, but it's not the end of the world. It's not a bad album, but here's how I think about it:

There is only so much music we can listen to. It's almost pointless to "rank" the quality of music we listen to or don't listen to, try often as we might. Music really fills up the moments in our lives -- we listen to this piece of music or that piece of music at a moment when we feel it serves that desire best. Our favorite music is that which suits many of those individual moments, the kind that we can listen to when we're down, when we're excited, when we're bored, when we're with friends, and so on. All I can say is that this album doesn't seem like it's going to fill many of those moments for me. Music has to compel you, and if it doesn't, there's always a lot of other music that will do the job.

[joepsu0985]

I have to agree this isnt their best piece of work, but it seems very listener friendly. It has some good rhythem in it..It is different, very different. I have never heard anything like it. But that is why I started listening to the band in the first place..They were different from every other band out there..No band has went this direction and they wanted to test the waters. Sure they could have made another BTCS, Crash or UTTAD, but they wanted to go in another direction. I mean it is going to keep them making music for years to come if they enjoy making new stuff. They arent getting bored. When we go to the shows they still will play their older stuff...But I say they can keep making this new stuff and I'll be happy becasue they will be around for a long time.

[championmullo]

I like it because:

1. It grooves, it is funky, something doesn't have to be 8 minutes long in 7/8 timing with the drummer doing polyrhythms to be good music. I happen to believe that it take more skill to play something simple well than it does to play something ridiculously complicated.
2. It is fun to listen to.
3. It is different. Quite frankly, i don't want to hear another BTCS or UTTAD, i want to hear a band who is prepared to take some risks, prepared to do something different, who is prepared to alienate people because they want to challenge themselves. This album does that.
4. I happen to think it is well produced. It is a studio album, it isn't supposed to have 8 minute jams on it, thats not the point of a studio album. This album makes its statement, and does it in the most efficient manner, which is exactly what a studio album is meant to do.

Apologies for generalising, but some people here seem to equate good music with 10 minute long jams and impossibly complicated drum beats and time signatures and whatever. Though all those things can contribute to good music, they are not the be all and end all. Look at pachabel's canon, it is simple, its repetitive, it is rigid in its structure, it is also brilliant.

Anyway, i'm not saying you have to like the album, but i think people need to broaden their horizons a bit and grow up in their musical opinions.

[nonewdirections]

Anyway, i'm not saying you have to like the album, but i think people need to broaden their horizons a bit and grow up in their musical opinions.

entirely unfair (to some people, me included). someone's horizons can be plenty broad and they still might not like the album. and it has to be true that some people's narrow horizons are what are causing them to like this album (you know who you are "i listen to dmb only" crowd). let's just give the "narrowminded" argument a rest since it's clearly not a fair generalization for anyone.

[DMBzilla]

Here is my evidence for why i think stand up sucks (by dmb standards):

a) synth drum beats
b) sub-par/cheesy lyrics
c) impossible to translate most of the songs live because the album has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much "studio" in it
d) dave is not an electric guitar player. stick to the acoustic...leave the electric to warren.

I just don't see anything positive about this effort from the boys.

Will someone please tell me what it is about Stand Up that makes it worthy of praise?

Okay, responding in order...
a) synth drum beats -- Yeah, that's present to an extent, but not on the whole album. Sometimes (not often) it's kinda cool to have effects like that thrown in. Take a listen to alot of Pink Floyd's later stuff, various Phish tunes, etc. that use more of an electric drum feel. It can work, and I feel like it does on Stand Up.

b) sub-par/cheezy lyrics -- Can't really argue here. I feel like the band was more focused on the sound of the album over lyrics, and I feel that's been the case since things went to shit with Lillywhite (althought YNK has some nice lines thrown in there). Maybe Dave just needs some sort of creative inspiration, but then again I thought Some Devil had some of the best lyrics he's written, so who knows...

c) impossible to translate live -- Gotta disagree here. DMB has found a way to translate almost all of its studio work to the stage nicely. Many people had the same worry about Everyday's songs when that came out, but the majority of the songs still sounded decent for what they were, and they really built a few gems out of that tracklist (WYA, ED, FTT). I feel like alot of these songs won't be played live, or at least not frequently, but to say that tunes like Dreamgirl, Stand Up, Everybody Wake Up, Louisiana Bayou, and Hunger for the Great Light could never sound awesome live is a bit of an overstatement. Not to mention I fully believe that we might get some very memorable performances of Out of my Hands as well.

d) Again, I agree here. Dave is much better on the acoustic, but I feel like the electric is more of a backing instrument on many of these songs, and that alot of the tracks will sound great live on acoustic. LB and SU were apparently both performed acoustic at NOLA, and I'm guessing these songs will get much better as the tour progresses.

Personally, I like Stand Up because it's more funky than alot of what the band has put out in the past, it has some really interest progressions, and while the lyrics are weak, Dave's voice is great to me on here...sounds very raw, and really has that "first take" feel to alot of it. As I've said in other threads, Stand Up certainly has its downpoints, but overall I think it's better then BS and ED, and MAYBE even Crash depending on how I feel that day. Just remember that DMB has become the master of all bands when it comes to turning studio material into pure bliss on stage, and I see no reason why this album will be any different.

[illustratedman]

I've read a lot of posts with people bashing Busted Stuff and Everyday. Busted Stuff I thought was really good, and Everyday had good songs, they were just too polished and shiny. This album is excessively polished which I don't appreciate, and it does have the whole dance club beat thing going throughout the whole thing which while I can't really find anything aesthetically wrong with it the idea gives me the shivers (in a bad way) and the lyrics are defenitely not up to par with any of the other albums. That being said, I can listen to it and it is okay, I agree with some people who have said that hopefully this album will be a wake up cal for the band. All in all, though it is not their best outing, I don't regret pre-ordering. I'll be happy when it comes in the mail next Tuesday.

[CZmanz19]

There is only so much music we can listen to. It's almost pointless to "rank" the quality of music we listen to or don't listen to, try often as we might. Music really fills up the moments in our lives -- we listen to this piece of music or that piece of music at a moment when we feel it serves that desire best. Our favorite music is that which suits many of those individual moments, the kind that we can listen to when we're down, when we're excited, when we're bored, when we're with friends, and so on. All I can say is that this album doesn't seem like it's going to fill many of those moments for me. Music has to compel you, and if it doesn't, there's always a lot of other music that will do the job.

Well said. What I typically do with music is relate songs to a certain memory or event that has happened in my life or events that are going to happen. Im not gonna lie, every time I'm with a one night stand i think of say goodbye. I sort of attach the song to the story, kind of like a movie. All of DMB's music use to be to deep, so meaningful, and really connected with us as a listener. It touched us in special ways that makes us reflect on how we are a person and as a society.

Stand Up really hasnt done that for me yet. I havent been able to play the same song 5 times over again and sit there mesmorized. The emotion and passion doesn't feel like its there anymore with the band. This might come with time and this might just be the style of music. There is till plenty of time. I mean shit the album hasn't even been officially released. Why are we so quick to judge? To most fans on here, hearing DMB live is the best part about them. We have heard a few songs live played a couple of times at best. I remember a thread a couple days ago about DDTW. It evolved over the years into a classic DMB song that appeared in a good amount of setlists. How do you know some of these songs wont evolve into something great. Some of you people are just to harsh, to early.

Enough rambling for me and oh yea, lighten up guys. Its just a CD. Stand Up does not make any songs that DMB has done before any better or worse. Obviously you enjoy them because thats why you are here, so if you dont like the new album, just disreguard it and continue on with UTTAD and BTCS. I always like to end with a quote "eat, drink, and be merry :) "

Look I still rambled. LOL :monkey

[joepsu0985]

Well said. What I typically do with music is relate songs to a certain memory or event that has happened in my life or events that are going to happen. Im not gonna lie, every time I'm with a one night stand i think of say goodbye. I sort of attach the song to the story, kind of like a movie. All of DMB's music use to be to deep, so meaningful, and really connected with us as a listener. It touched us in special ways that makes us reflect on how we are a person and as a society.

Stand Up really hasnt done that for me yet. I havent been able to play the same song 5 times over again and sit there mesmorized. The emotion and passion doesn't feel like its there anymore with the band. This might come with time and this might just be the style of music. There is till plenty of time. I mean shit the album hasn't even been officially released. Why are we so quick to judge? To most fans on here, hearing DMB live is the best part about them. We have heard a few songs live played a couple of times at best. I remember a thread a couple days ago about DDTW. It evolved over the years into a classic DMB song that appeared in a good amount of setlists. How do you know some of these songs wont evolve into something great. Some of you people are just to harsh, to early.

Enough rambling for me and oh yea, lighten up guys. Its just a CD. Stand Up does not make any songs that DMB has done before any better or worse. Obviously you enjoy them because thats why you are here, so if you dont like the new album, just disreguard it and continue on with UTTAD and BTCS. I always like to end with a quote "eat, drink, and be merry :) "

Look I still rambled. LOL :monkey

These songs will evolve...god I hope they do quick

[ryguy178]

There is only so much music we can listen to. It's almost pointless to "rank" the quality of music we listen to or don't listen to, try often as we might. Music really fills up the moments in our lives -- we listen to this piece of music or that piece of music at a moment when we feel it serves that desire best. Our favorite music is that which suits many of those individual moments, the kind that we can listen to when we're down, when we're excited, when we're bored, when we're with friends, and so on. All I can say is that this album doesn't seem like it's going to fill many of those moments for me. Music has to compel you, and if it doesn't, there's always a lot of other music that will do the job.

Wow, thats like, poetry. Well said. :thumbsup

[nonewdirections]

Wow, thats like, poetry. Well said. :thumbsup

I like you too Ryan. :)




:lol

oh, and thanks. :thumbsup

[mrdrums]

I rarely post, but since everyone else is jumping in...

This album hit my like few have. Is it overproduced for a typical DMB album? Yes. Are there things vastly different from the typical DMB album? Yes. However...they do have to grow. For those who don't like it, hang in there. It's not the end of the world. For those who do like it, enjoy.

I personally really enjoyed this first listen. The production, in my opinion, is very good. More than most are used to, for sure, but makes for some well done atypical DMB songs. The string arrangement on Old Dirt Hill for example, though you may hate the song, are very well done. It adds so much depth to it. Everybody Wake Up...the build up into the song brings the same depth, and ushers in a very strange mixture of Curtis Mayfield, the Beatles, and DMB. Those are some things, specifically, that I like about the album. There are more, but I'm not trying to take up too much room.

To those who complain of Carter's supposedly absent drumming, you should listen closer. His seemingly simple fills are perfect for the songs. And yes, some beats are quite simplistic. But he drives them like no one else can. As a drummer, I've had to learn that being able to drive the music is the most important part of being on the drum set, and if the best way to do that with the music at hand is to keep is simple, then go with it. Some of the best jazz music from the swing era is that way. At the same time, some of the best jazz music is not, from the bop era. Different strokes for different scenarios, folks. I think he did his job incredibly well.

[ryguy178]

I like you too Ryan. :)




:lol

oh, and thanks. :thumbsup

I take back my previous comment. Worst. Post. Ever.


;)

[fujihanashi]

Gains: Chanting, simple percussion, violin plucking, electric guitar distortion, repitition, layered vocals, layered saxophone, overproduction

Losses: Violin and Sax actual part, insightful lyrics, jams, Dave riffs, jazz rhythms, dynamicism, real DMB, innovative music.

Which outweighs which?

[ryguy178]

Gains: Chanting, simple percussion, violin plucking, electric guitar distortion, repitition, layered vocals, layered saxophone, overproduction



Losses: repition, layered vocals, layered saxophone, overproduction.

[mray10]

Liking or not liking something is an opinion. I like the album, it's my opinion that it's good.

There is no evidence here, because it's an opinion. Your opinion is yours to have - you don't like it, fine by me.

[joepsu0985]

:( This is not the Dave Matthews Band....not at all...I cant appeal to these songs...Im worried...

[fujihanashi]

Gains: Chanting, simple percussion, violin plucking, electric guitar distortion, repitition, layered vocals, layered saxophone, overproduction

Losses: Violin and Sax actual part, insightful lyrics, jams, Dave riffs, jazz rhythms, dynamicism, real DMB, innovative music.

Which outweighs which?

By gains I simply meant additions--all of the additions are overall losses.

[ryguy178]

By gains I simply meant additions--all of the additions are overall losses.

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood.

[greenpepper7]

This is all that needs to be said. Don't expect everything, the bars, the lyrics, the chords, the voice, the solos to all be good. Don't break down every aspect of the album. Just listen to it! It's very enjoyable to the ear...for the most part.

:lol :lol :lol This is the exact response (although with out the hate and irrationality of some, kudos for the not being a bitch :thumbsup ) that this thread was about. The thing this response does perfectly is site bad things about the album and no good things about the abum except a vague comment that its "very enjoyable to the ear" yet it tries to justify the album. Yes all of those listed above are reasons why Stand Up is bad as well as the hip-hop snare and the voice that sounds like it has been smoking far too much (even more than I'm sure Dave Matthews does smoke) make this album bad. As much as it hurts me I'm not sure Stand Up is better than Everyday.

[ajc0925]

I love the band and the new album is par at best......but how the hell did "Old dirt hill" beat out joy ride to be on the actual album.....i just cant quite put my finger on it. the album would be 5 times better if that damn song wasnt on it....old dirt hill the "bring the beat back part" is in my opinion thw worst thing this band has done in their fine fine fine career:BANG

[Iwas41once]

the first few songs off the album gave me a feel of a continuation of Dave's solo album, with the band added in. Smooth Rider is awesome.

Then I hit Old Dirt Hill and ack :lol

But I'm at Hunger for the Great Light now and so far it's fantastic


I totally agree. I felt like it was Daves Solo album, till Hello Again. From then on, I really liked all the songs...

[onemoredrink41]

i agree w/ the lyrics, i dont even listen to some devil all that much....
"I love you all so well, like a kid loves candy and fresh snow" that is lame. I think dave's writing isnt as good as when he was fucked up haha. tripping billies, #41 etc...

[Alandmb]

because the whole album is like 50 minutes, that leaves you 1 hr and 30 minutes for more songs during the shows......... :D

[JonDMB]

To me, I listen through the whole CD...and the breath of fresh air comes in at Hello Again and Louisana Bayou. Hello Again you can obviously tell was written using the same formula as old DMB songs. Then Louisana Bayou is my favorite out of the "new" sound. Then I go back to feeling like the music is suffocating me with two of the cheesiest songs DMB has ever written - Stolen Away and Steady As We Go.

[onemoredrink41]

well after 6 listens old dirt hill ( hate how they all sing in the beginning though) and dream girl is my fav.

[domi0036]

It's really frustrating listen to everyone worship the band like they are F'N God, is it really that difficult to admit that this isn't very good?

To listen to everyone talk about giving them space to grow and evolve as muscisians, great, but this isn't evolution. These lyrics, as an album, are worse than everyday. The band is regressing into everything wrong with music (ala MTV), repetiveness.

This is tough for me to write, because DMB is/has been a huge part of my life for the last ten years and will continue to be, but this isn't good.

Agree or disagree with what I've said, but if you disagree with me, please answer a couple of questions, because maybe I'm missing something.

What happened to the direction last summer, Joy Ride/Crazy-Easy/Sugar Will? Do you enjoy this music more than those tunes? Why?

What happened to all the talk about Carter taking control on this album and letting him go nuts? Do you like the simplistic drum beats and overall lack of unique percussion?

Do you like these lyrics?

[bullox005]

bullox005, you really need to chill, this CD hasn't even been released yet. regardless, it's just a Dave Matthews Band album...no angry mobs will come after you for not liking it. :cool

i'll try to disregard that last part. :shrug

i think you must have misread my post.

a)the "go fuck yourself" line was directed towards anyone who passed the topic of the thread off by saying, "this isn't worthy of it's own thread." or "use the search feature."

b)maybe you have not been a part of the angry mobs, but the simple fact of the matter is, i have been bashed ceaselessly in other threads for voicing my opinion in a calm matter.

c)if you read my post ;), you will see that i do not need to chill. there is nothing overly agressive or "unchill" in my post. i made a point to be as polite and non-controversial as possible.

in other words...

take a few minutes to read my entire post again before you tell me to "chill" i am not a baby, but rather a mature adult who holds a dissenting opinion.