SU><=BTCS

[TobiasClown]

i was just wondering your thoughts. because i love this album and am not quite sure if it is up to btcs standards. but still is an incredible album. in my opinion it could possibly be pretty close. but i feel these songs will be much more successful like than the btcs songs. there is lalot of energy in tehse songs. tell me what you think

[ryguy178]

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[Fiorentino]

it sounds damn good, but as of right now I don't think it topped BTCS. I have a strong feeling though that this will all change after the '05 tour

[Rockyall107]

opinions will change...but for now btcs...

[Noles20]

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agree

[MistreatedLewis]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see.

[jay41]

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What he said :thumbsup

[dmbfan100]

i'm gonna let the music grow on me,,,,(the tour will help),,, and then I will start comparing....the other albums have been around longer than some people realize...and we have heard those songs a million times....im not even completely through listening to stand up,,, so i'll wait and seeeeeeeeeee

[TobiasClown]

yea i see alot of btcs over su which i obviously expected and at the moment i agree but like fiorentino said..we shall see after the 05 tour. i feel these songs could be incredible or terrible in concert. we shall see

[jdmbellen]

"am not quite sure if it is up to btcs standards"
i don't really know what that means. well i do, i know what you are getting at, but i hate how ppl are trying to compare it to that album, or compare everything else with that one album. people, nothing will ever be an equal to that album...i'm not saying some ppl won't like an album better than btcs, buut, all the albums are different and esp this one. i don't think asking if it is up to btcs standards reveals that much about the album itself.

[Disco Stu]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see.


i don't believe that it is lyrically as good as btcs...if you could find some lyrics to prove me wrong, then by all means please do.

[alphatabs]

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I will always have an immortal place in my heart for BTCS.

[cptnhansel]

we'll see whats better in a year

[alphatabs]

we'll see whats better in a year

Is that a threat? :lol You gonna put some flowmasters on Stand Up or something? :lol

[Bartender2424]

This talk about being as good lyrically as BTCS...pshhhh... dreaming tree, spoon, ddtw, and stone all shit on every single stand up song x2. And for musically, album wise... the music on stand up sucks, way to over processed, the songs are great, but the way they sound, Im just not diggin it. The thing with stand up tho is despite its sound on the album, every single song on stand up has incredible live potential... huuuuge live potential. I cant wait to hear these songs live by the end of this tour, god their gonna be sweet.

[be4mycrwddstrt]

im gana leave the doors open for stand up

[alphatabs]

You have to look at the two albums from differant perspectives. There is no way you can compare the two because it's a style clash. It's like comparing peanut butter and jelly, both kick ass but they come from two differant catagories. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a hankering for some PB&J.

*runs like hell to kitchen

[jay41]

i don't believe that it is lyrically as good as btcs...if you could find some lyrics to prove me wrong, then by all means please do.

:thumbsup BTCS lyrically dominates Stand Up.

[MistreatedLewis]

i don't believe that it is lyrically as good as btcs...if you could find some lyrics to prove me wrong, then by all means please do.


I can't prove anything it is just my opinion.

[jdmbellen]

:thumbsup BTCS lyrically dominates Stand Up.


haha, ya think?!
i don't even think there was any question.

[MistreatedLewis]

haha, ya think?!
i don't even think there was any question.


It's all opinion, isn't it?

[Orpheus]

BTCS vs. SU... it's like REM following up "Automatic for the People" with "Monster." The latter is a GREAT album, but a completely different kind of creature from "Automatic." The point of each album is to be what *that album is*. BTCS was an album with a ton of guest musicians and it had a certain feel to it. SU is just a different feel.

Look at the threads around here: about half the people are completely in love and enthused, the other half are turned-off and yelling "suckass". That's pretty much human nature. I don't expect anything else.

For my part, I'm fucking ECSTATIC to hear my boys doing songs that feel creative, youthful, and exciting. I didn't want another "Busted Stuff" with a lot of depressed-Dave songs. The tone of this album is that of the pre-Everyday era, and I've been waiting for this album since 1998.

[JonDMB]

This thread makes me :lol

This album isn't even close to being on the same level as BTCS. I actually have it in 4th behind BCTS, Crash, and UTTAD. I mean seriously, what are some of you guys thinking?

I mean stop and think about the songs on the other 3 albums and compare some of the songs to Stand Up: Typical Situation vs. Steady As We Go? Cry Freedom vs. Out of My Hands? Crush vs. Dreamgirl? None of the songs on Stand Up can compare musically or lyrically to The Stone.

Don't get me wrong, this album is decent and I'm really enjoying it, but it just can't compare to the other three.

[MistreatedLewis]

This thread makes me :lol

This album isn't even close to being on the same level as BTCS. I actually have it in 4th behind BCTS, Crash, and UTTAD. I mean seriously, what are some of you guys thinking?

I mean stop and think about the songs on the other 3 albums and compare some of the songs to Stand Up: Typical Situation vs. Steady As We Go? Cry Freedom vs. Out of My Hands? Crush vs. Dreamgirl? None of the songs on Stand Up can compare musically or lyrically to The Stone.

Don't get me wrong, this album is decent and I'm really enjoying it, but it just can't compare to the other three.

But what about Hello Again vs. Pay For What You Get? Out of My Hands vs. Let You Down? Everybody Wake Up vs. Stay?

[alphatabs]

Music is not to be compared people. It's made to be enjoyed. The sooner some relize this, the greater their lives will be. :)

[JonDMB]

But what about Hello Again vs. Pay For What You Get? Out of My Hands vs. Let You Down? Everybody Wake Up vs. Stay?
If you would honestly choose Everybody Wake Up over Stay then we must not be listening to the same song. Hello Again and Pay For What You Get are two different to compare. Out of My Hands vs. Let You Down I would choose Out of My Hands, but barely.

[MistreatedLewis]

If you would honestly choose Everybody Wake Up over Stay then we must not be listening to the same song. Hello Again and Pay For What You Get are two different to compare. Out of My Hands vs. Let You Down I would choose Out of My Hands, but barely.

I would choose the studio version of Everybody Wake Up over Stay in a second. Obviously we can't compare live songs yet. The lyric "It was so hot outside you can fry an egg" makes me want to cry / die.

[DMBfan41]

Well, considering that BTCS is a masterpiece and SU hasn't even been released yet, I'm gonna have to say....

Why the hell are we even comparing them????

[jdmbellen]

It's all opinion, isn't it?

you could say that...however, in some cases, i do feel there is a clear 'winner' or one with the better represented opinion. not everyone will agree with that, but so be it. i can list so many bull crap throw out the window lyrics from this new album it is crazy. i just don't see how if you had to make a list of quality lyrics from both albums, stand up would win? i just couldn't see how that would happen.

[JonDMB]

I would choose the studio version of Everybody Wake Up over Stay in a second. Obviously we can't compare live songs yet. The lyric "It was so hot outside you can fry an egg" makes me want to cry / die.
To each their own man. The chorus "Everybody wake up, if you're livin' with your eyes closed" get's on my nerves. In my opinion, the sax riff at the end of Stay just automatically blows Everybody Wake Up out of the water.

[joepsu0985]

BTCS can never be touched...This album has the energy level, but it way over produced. I think it will have songs live that are as songs good live from BTCS, but however, BTCS makes this album look like a piss ant...although its a good album

[MistreatedLewis]

you could say that...however, in some cases, i do feel there is a clear 'winner' or one with the better represented opinion. not everyone will agree with that, but so be it. i can list so many bull crap throw out the window lyrics from this new album it is crazy. i just don't see how if you had to make a list of quality lyrics from both albums, stand up would win? i just couldn't see how that would happen.

Well, if it's any consolation, I don't think the lyrics on any DMB album come close to touching those on Crash and UTTAD in a million years.

[JonDMB]

BTCS can never be touched...This album has the energy level, but it way over produced. I think it will have songs live that are as songs good live from BTCS, but however, BTCS makes this album look like a piss ant...although its a good album
I couldn't agree with this more.

[MistreatedLewis]

BTCS can never be touched...This album has the energy level, but it way over produced. I think it will have songs live that are as songs good live from BTCS, but however, BTCS makes this album look like a piss ant...although its a good album


There are some days where I think Crash is a better album than BTCS.

[Firedncin8nancy]

well.. for the sake of answering...

<<< but i do think that this is a very impressive display by a band who has been together for over 14 years now. to completely change musical direction so flawlessly is amazing to see... the disc has a lot of live potential and i am enjoying every minute of it, but it doesnt hold a candle to BTCS.

[jdmbellen]

Well, if it's any consolation, I don't think the lyrics on any DMB album come close to touching those on Crash and UTTAD in a million years.

alright, i'd probably agree with you there, so you got some points back for that haha.

[MistreatedLewis]

alright, i'd probably agree with you there, so you got some points back for that haha.


:thumbsup

I think it's the fact that Lillywhite had to lock Dave in a room and force lyrics out of him before recording that make me question the ones on BTCS a little bit. Not to mention the Fry and egg line in Stay makes me want to die.

[joepsu0985]

There are some days where I think Crash is a better album than BTCS.


Oh im not saying Crash is not better that BTCS....But i still dont think that Stan Up can touch crash....maybe lyically...I dunno...but once again crash, BTCS, UTTAD did not have all this extra sounds to it...Stand Up is way over produced and that is why it will not equal the other 3. I think that if it wasnt so produced then it would be close...But thats what you get when you hire a rap producer in my opinion..I expected it to be this over produced...But i still dig it..

[MistreatedLewis]

Oh im not saying Crash is not better that BTCS....But i still dont think that Stan Up can touch crash....maybe lyically...I dunno...but once again crash, BTCS, UTTAD did not have all this extra sounds to it...Stand Up is way over produced and that is why it will not equal the other 3. I think that if it wasnt so produced then it would be close...But thats what you get when you hire a rap producer in my opinion..I expected it to be this over produced...But i still dig it..

Really? Interesting that you say that... I love both albums very much but I had that kind of reaction to the difference between Crash and BTCS. When I heard the recording of Rapunzel the first time, I barely recognized DMB...

[joepsu0985]

well.. for the sake of answering...

<<< but i do think that this is a very impressive display by a band who has been together for over 14 years now. to completely change musical direction so flawlessly is amazing to see... the disc has a lot of live potential and i am enjoying every minute of it, but it doesnt hold a candle to BTCS.


Oh i agree whole heartedly that it is a miracle that they changed directions like this..I mean this album will not flop, and for a band to make new music like this after 14 years is truely amazing...We should just be happy that 5 of the baddest mother fuckers are still enjoying making music and are touring to their extent...This will be a great summer to be a DMB fan

[joepsu0985]

Really? Interesting that you say that... I love both albums very much but I had that kind of reaction to the difference between Crash and BTCS. When I heard the recording of Rapunzel the first time, I barely recognized DMB...

yeah..listen to this album in its entirety then listen to BTCS...you will see a resemblance in the energy in both...I just did this today..I was kind of shocked...and Dave himself said this songs have great potential to be amazing live songs...Jazz Fest was just the testing waters for two new songs...wait until about august...Your mind will be blown

[MistreatedLewis]

yeah..listen to this album in its entirety then listen to BTCS...you will see a resemblance in the energy in both...I just did this today..I was kind of shocked...and Dave himself said this songs have great potential to be amazing live songs...Jazz Fest was just the testing waters for two new songs...wait until about august...Your mind will be blown

I really think they *COULD* turn Everybody Wake Up into a new Ants and Billies type closer. I can't wait to hear these songs live. What a difference between the 2001 and 2002 tours I would think...

[trippingbilly12]

I think its incredible that we are comparing an unreleased album to the sheer masterpiece known as Before these Crowded Streets.

Give it time folks, and why compare? cant we just love music?

[dmb2much40]

There are some days where I think Crash is a better album than BTCS.

i always agree with you every time you make this point. so i'll do it again. crash has a better flow to it. i disagree when dave calls it (and UTTAD) a collection of songs. the order of the songs, how well they were done (even two step, LIOG, and #41 give you a sense of completion even though the jams aren't there) and the production take the listener on a journey. i don't skip songs on crash. i skip rapunzel and stay on BTCS, it drives me nuts the last stop reprise isn't attached, and that there isn't any hint of a jam (specifically roi's) on crush.

on the original topic, stand up < BTCS. i don't think stand up flows very well at all, it goes all over the place (i think it would have been better had the songs been in a different order). BTCS created a mood. stand up doesn't do that.

[joepsu0985]

I really think they *COULD* turn Everybody Wake Up into a new Ants and Billies type closer. I can't wait to hear these songs live. What a difference between the 2001 and 2002 tours I would think...

Yes I agree, songs evolve when they play them live...Look at the first #41...and look at #41 now...Same thing with Halloween...They were just another song to play..now they have evolved into something special

[MistreatedLewis]

i always agree with you every time you make this point.

If I were single I'd probably ask you to dinner.

[dmb2much40]

If I were single I'd probably ask you to dinner.

and if i were single i'd probably accept the invitation ;)

[MistreatedLewis]

and if i were single i'd probably accept the invitation ;)


I guess we'll just have to double date next time you're in San Francisco.

Back on topic: Out of My Hands. Daaaaaaamn.

[dmb2much40]

Out of My Hands. Daaaaaaamn.

i wasn't expecting much from it being an outro to EWU. but wow, i loved everything about it. very cool. some of the strongest lyrics on the album as well.

[TurboPGT]

Stand Up is incredible...but as the first post on this page says....Before These Crowded Streets cannot be touched...it has been shrined.

[phildo41]

The more I listen to this the better it gets. While its still nowhere close to BTCS imo, I think live, these songs could rival some of BTCS. Also, no offense to Batson, I think this album would be a little better if the band went back to the studio and rerecorded these songs with lillywhite. We would probably get something alittle more of what we're use to, and imo better.

[bartender1162]

no comparison. BTCS is leaps and bounds better. but i still like this album

[trippinchad]

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING THREAD!:eek

[SmoothD41]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see.

:eek

????

What the hell is this? Lewis?

[TheLilacsRevolt]

:eek

????

What the hell is this? Lewis?

I have no idea what drew me over to this thread this morning but reading through all the posts I had the same exact reaction. :freak

My God...when the hell was this???? Prior to SU's release but I'm guessing this is after the song clips were released?

[adamreichle22]

Batson drugged us all with his magic mushroom tea. Thankfully the effects have worn off now.

[emu513]

Oh wow. Good thread. Good find. Some funny shit in here.

[DMB0715]

I bet Lewis will be a little ticked when he reads some of the stuff he first posted about the album...

[kydmb99]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see.

:eek :eek ..Who is this?? :lol

[Socks]

I think Stand Up was released on 5-10, so this is when we only had the song clips. People really liked the Out of My Hands clip, until they realized what they heard was pretty much the whole song.

[tortoise]

I can't figure out what the ><= means

[bbarterjr]

Over a year later and the majority of Stand Up still sucks....

BTCS will ALWAYS be better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bruce.

[MistreatedLewis]

I think Stand Up was released on 5-10, so this is when we only had the song clips. People really liked the Out of My Hands clip, until they realized what they heard was pretty much the whole song.


:lol Next time I should probably wait for the album to be released...!

I don't think BTCS holds a candle to UTTAD or Crash - I didn't think that then and I don't think that now - but I remember really liking the EWU clip a lot and of course I was aware of Hello Again - :lol that'll show me for pre-judging an album in writing!

[bubba40]

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My answer too.

[adamreichle22]

By this date most people had heard the whole album. I'm pretty sure it leaked on 5/3, which was exactly a week before the day it was released.

[thewarehouse33]

I like Stand Up, but BTCS is ridiculously good. There's no discussion. <<<<

[the only gweeps]

Some of the edits on Stand Up are pretty heinous. However, there are some diamonds in the rough: Out of my Hands, American Baby, Hunger for the Great Light, Louisiana Bayou, Stand Up, You Might Die Trying.

[kjzz12]

Some of the edits on Stand Up are pretty heinous. However, there are some diamonds in the rough: Out of my Hands, American Baby, Hunger for the Great Light, Louisiana Bayou, Stand Up, You Might Die Trying.
Gweeps? From AMI? Interesting...

[FalloutBoyRocks]

This may be the worst thread ever.

BTCS > UTTAD > Crash > Everyday > Trash > Stand Up

[TobiasClown]

yea, i am really embarassed i created this thread. please forgive me.

[trippinchad]

yea, i am really embarassed i created this thread. please forgive me.

:lol You are forgiven


:twenty4 :twenty4 :twenty4 :twenty4
:lol

[dmbigeyedphish]

This thread =amazing.

[thestand]

I can't figure out what the ><= means...

Greater than
Less than
equal to

[Mateo2k]

I really would love a studio version of ABI they way it is performed now.

[trippingbillie4]

are some you fucking nuts BTCS will always be a million times greater than stand up it doesnt even come closer, ever!

[thestand]

are some you fucking nuts BTCS will always be a million times greater than stand up it doesnt even come closer, ever!

1. Look at when this thread was started.

2. Notice it was before the album came out.

3. Feel stupid.

[armyants1027]

1. Look at when this thread was started.

2. Notice it was before the album came out.

3. Feel stupid.
i don't know why, but that just made me laugh.

[tarheel997]

1. Look at when this thread was started.

2. Notice it was before the album came out.

3. Feel stupid.

repeat #3 as needed

[cherone21]

I think live the energy on these tunes is amazing. Bayou swells up into fury like no other song that dmb plays live. Hunger is short and sweet, jam packed with an orgasm of sound. Smooth rider with rashawn ross is low end sound of dmb like we would have never heard without this album. All and all not better than BTCS but better than everyone thought it would be.

[championmullo]

i was just wondering your thoughts. because i love this album and am not quite sure if it is up to btcs standards. but still is an incredible album. in my opinion it could possibly be pretty close. but i feel these songs will be much more successful like than the btcs songs. there is lalot of energy in tehse songs. tell me what you think

This is threadtastic.

[TobiasClown]

This is threadtastic.

:lol :lol
apparently i was quite the typer a year ago.

[trippingbillie4]

You got it backwards, I in no way should feel stupid...you should feel stupid cuz you actually tried to compare Stand UP to BTCS????

Oh ya good job with the retard typing at the end of your post (there is lalot of energy in tehse songs) smooth....

[thestand]

You got it backwards, I in no way should feel stupid...you should feel stupid cuz you actually tried to compare Stand UP to BTCS????

Oh ya good job with the retard typing at the end of your post (there is lalot of energy in tehse songs) smooth....Hey, good job of using the quote function, and specifying who you're attempting to insult. I'm pretty sure the first part is on me, as I'm the only one who said you were stupid, but the second part is against the thread starter, I believe.

And on that point, to insult someone on spelling/grammar (because honestly, what argument does grammar arguments NOT solve?), you should type out words (cuz= because), try to use periods and not ellipsis', and one question mark will do it.

[nickcua]

Yeah that was pretty funny.

Everybody Wake Up could be an Ants-type closer. :lol

[TobiasClown]

You got it backwards, I in no way should feel stupid...you should feel stupid cuz you actually tried to compare Stand UP to BTCS????

Oh ya good job with the retard typing at the end of your post (there is lalot of energy in tehse songs) smooth....

i'm a smooth rider baby

[trippingbillie4]

ok ok

[donnyw]

are some you fucking nuts BTCS will always be a million times greater than stand up it doesnt even come closer, ever!

I don't mean to poke fun at you, but that's one of the funniest things I've ever read on ants. :lol

[Socks]

are some you fucking nuts BTCS will always be a million times greater than stand up it doesnt even come closer, ever!
no way dude BTCS is borign, stand up RAWKS!!1

[bullox005]

i was just wondering your thoughts. because i love this album and am not quite sure if it is up to btcs standards. but still is an incredible album. in my opinion it could possibly be pretty close. but i feel these songs will be much more successful like than the btcs songs. there is lalot of energy in tehse songs. tell me what you think

haha...

[TobiasClown]

haha...

damn. this thread will always haunt me until the stand up discussion is gone.

[b-ill28]

I didn't bother reading this thread, but is this guy for real? SU fucking sucks.

[donnyw]

I didn't bother reading this thread, but is this guy for real? SU fucking sucks.

Read the thread and find out for yourself. It's worth your time; it's damn funny.

[MistreatedLewis]

damn. this thread will always haunt me until the stand up discussion is gone.

Why? Great art has to last for more than a week. Every DMB fan was excited for this album after 2004. And some of us even enjoyed Stand Up, for a week, until we realized how crappy it was. And that's why I didn't buy tickets to the summer tour.

[pots tsal]

MistreatedLewis went from a Stand Up fanatic to a self proclaimed musical and lyrical genius in the course of one year. Neato!

Lyrics are as good as BTCS, musically we shall see. HA!

The lyrics either suck or they don't, you don't all of a sudden realize they suck. I will never take your posts seriously now since I now know you are a hack. Don't even say you were just "trying" to like it. You just aren't the in-depth intellectual that you believe yourself to be. Patchetic!


PS.

I hope you sense a little sarcasm in there. I liked it at first as well :)

[pots tsal]

But seriously it's kinda creepy how you thought the lyrics were good. Ewwww!

[Socks]

The lyrics either suck or they don't, you don't all of a sudden realize they suck.
This was before the album was out though. The only thing we had to go by lyrically was Hello Again and a few short clips.

[aoeiifreak]

I can't wait for the next album to come out, we'll all be positive it's going to be great. Even Lewis! :lol

[TobiasClown]

This was before the album was out though. The only thing we had to go by lyrically was Hello Again and a few short clips.

no, this was the day the album leaked. so we really had heard the entire album.

[championmullo]

Why? Great art has to last for more than a week. Every DMB fan was excited for this album after 2004. And some of us even enjoyed Stand Up, for a week, until we realized how crappy it was. And that's why I didn't buy tickets to the summer tour.

Exactly.

I enjoyed Stand Up for a while; a few months in fact. But i think that had far more to do with it being new than being good.

[mikedevoss6]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see.

Quoted for posterity. :lol

[phunky420]

i was just wondering your thoughts. because i love this album and am not quite sure if it is up to btcs standards. but still is an incredible album. in my opinion it could possibly be pretty close. but i feel these songs will be much more successful like than the btcs songs. there is lalot of energy in tehse songs. tell me what you think
WOW...I mean WOW!!! I MEAN FUCKING WOW!!!!

:freak

[TobiasClown]

:lol WOW...I mean WOW!!! I MEAN FUCKING WOW!!!!

:freak

[chr35919]

Way too early to make that comparison I believe. Lyrically it's probably at least as good... musically it's tough to top that one. Buuuut.... like others have said, we shall see. what? were you serious at the time?

[MistreatedLewis]

what? were you serious at the time?

On my first listen? Yeah I remember finding it really catchy. It takes me more than one listen to fully digest and judge a song though. It should take anyone who isn't quite up to Mozart's abilities, which I certainly am not, to do the same...

Oh, also at that point I was only going on tiny snippets of lyrics in my head... I was not familiar with the album lyrically at all. Remember, this was based on a few clips and perhaps one quasi-full listen. And I think BTCS is considerably weaker than Crash and UTTAD lyrically... in fact, I think parts of BTCS are downright lyrically weak. Still do.

[MistreatedLewis]

what? were you serious at the time?

And of course, there was the emotional response. I was less disappointed in the Everyday album than many, but I knew it was far beneath DMB and I thought the 01 tour was incredibly weak. I was bored out of my mind with 02 and much of 03. After Busted Stuff, I thought maybe the band was really losing the spark and creativity. Then I was thrilled with the 04 tour and the new songs and truly believed that DMB was back in a big way. I didn't think they could fuck it up again. I wanted to love that album in a huge way... I was incredibly emotionally invested and caught up in the excitement. But after a few listens, of course, the shallowness of the album is just so obvious...

[Bswartz95]

I haven't read this thread, but it has to be a joke.

[TobiasClown]

I haven't read this thread, but it has to be a joke.

yea, it was a joke...

[thestand]

I haven't read this thread, but it has to be a joke.If you actually read the thread, you'd know.