Stand Down

[Juby11]

Stand Down
By: Rahawa Haile

It happened. The new Dave Matthews Band studio album is there for all to preview before purchasing. Needless to say, this is a move I sincerely wish every band made, as I believe it would facilitate greater sales, or at the very least, promote greater exposure to different styles of music to casual passerby. Now, before I go any further, I will say this much: we who have sampled the album online cannot yet appropriately judge the technical quality of the music -- but we can judge the musical quality of the music. What does that mean? There exist moments in film known as cinematic moments. These moments are largely individualized and consist of a person observing something that strikes them in a very personal and particularly interesting manner that most others take no notice of whatsoever. I do not believe these moments exclusive to film, and instead find them applicable to nearly all time based media -- most notably music. Thus, while people should feel free to leave thousands of posts concerning the “goodness or badness“ of the songs on Stand Up, or whether those songs were overproduced, or whether there lie more similarities between Stand Up and Everyday or Stand Up and BTCS, what we cannot do is find our “auditory moments” in 64kbps streamed samples from vh1.com. The physical quality of the songs themselves simply does not allow for this-- let alone whatever speakers you so happen to have attached to your computer. I guarantee you, one of my favorite auditory moments, the part of the BTCS version of “Halloween” towards the end where Alanis says, “Go on, get out of here, you motherf*ck*r,” would not be heard well on a 64kbps bit rate.

Also, several threads have mentioned that one of the biggest let downs of the album was the lack of summer songs from 2004. One of the first things I said when I saw the track list was, “Where’s ‘Sugar Will’? Where’s ‘Good, Good Time,’ or even ‘Crazy Easy’?” Seem familiar? How about the Busted Stuff album? Upon its release, one of the largest threads concerned the lack of “JTR” and “Sweet Up And Down” that should have followed from The Lillywhite Sessions. Though some might argue the band could be saving those songs for a later time, I think it rather obvious that the band is heading in a completely different direction than the one they were when they composed those songs. Therefore, no, I don’t see the placement of “JTR” or “Sweet Up And Down” or “Sugar Will” on an upcoming album as probable, and while I, too, was disappointed with the lack of summer songs, it wasn’t exactly something 100% unexpected considering previous trends.

That said, I think Stand Up, the album, terrible. Let me repeat that once more, I, me, the person composing this post, thinks the album terrible, and for all those who holler “the band’s evolving!”, well, while I hate to say it, you’re right. The band is evolving, and as much as I (along with the rest of the band barring Dave, apparently) thought Everyday a freak occurrence, something Dave needed to get past his depression or whatever the case might have been, the band actually seems proud of this album. From the clips on the studio album’s website, it appears as though the band finds this album an accurate and fair (and by that I mean every member believes they had a decent amount of input and freedom to experiment) representation of themselves.

Evolution, however, is no excuse for mediocrity. If you are reading this post, have gotten this far into it, and are enough of a fan to be logged in to antsmarching.org, then it’s safe to assume you’re no stranger to the exceptional amount of musical talent this band possesses. My question is where did it go? Layering several vocal harmonies one upon the other is not justification to leave your musical instruments on the floor collecting dust. I don’t believe a single song on Stand Up clocks in at more than 4:30, nor do I believe there’s a single jam on it (and for those that say leave that for the concerts, I’d like to point you in the direction of nearly every single track on BTCS and most of Crash). Nearly every verse on Stand Up consists solely of Carter’s drums and Dave’s vocals/guitar/piano. For DMB, this works only in certain situations:

1) There’s a very good guitar riff, of which there is but one (to be mentioned later) on Stand Up (e.g. “So Much To Say,” “Rhyme and Reason,” etc)
2) It’s a slow song and other instruments would ruin it (like they ruined “Where Are You Going” on BS). An example of such a song that works is “Crash.”
3) It’s a fast song (e.g. “Two Step,” “Drive In Drive Out,” and, as I promised to mention in 1), “Hello Again”)

I suppose this is the point where I provide a song-by-song deconstruction of Stand Up, but I find it unnecessary since the assessments would nearly be identical. I find “Hunger For The Great Light” the only truly inventive and collaborative gem on the album. As for the others, independent of whether they’re “DMB” songs, independent of whether they were overproduced, most are simply not good songs. What does it matter if Carter’s tones are too bright if three minutes into the song, “You Might Die Trying” turns into a faux-80s industrial rock medley? At the moment, the Favorite Song poll shows “Hello Again/Louisiana Bayou” in the lead. I promise you this is more a result of “Hello Again” than it is “Louisiana Bayou.” And the runners up? “Out of my hands” and “Steady As We Go” -- the two songs that are almost exclusively Dave and his piano throughout. The point I’m making is simple: Stand Up is not a good Dave Matthews BAND album, and it frightens me more than you know that people think it is. When I went to concerts last summer and the summers before that, I knew I was part of a community. I knew nearly everyone would start singing “Honey, honey, come and dance with me” when Dave began to play #36/Everyday. Hell, I knew that most people preferred nearly any other DMB album to Everyday. But now…people seem to actually like this latest effort of the band’s, and if that’s the case, and if the band is happy with the album, and if the fans are happy with the album, then I can no longer truly consider myself a part of the Dave Matthews Band community. As a friend of mine put it, “after ten years and ten shows, I need something more than nostalgia.”

[billy_tripper]

I disagree. I really enjoy this album for one reason or another and am glad they released this to really diversify the live performances mixing old DMB with new DMB. I also think that these will explode live in the next year or two giving us material to enjoy for years down the road.

[fujihanashi]

I generally agree. Most of this is not good music no matter how you cut it, but because of the summer songs, we know the band still has it in them. However, I do fear if many fans like the album, DMB may continue to pursue this direction. A band can stay with what works and evolve at the same time--look at RTT, UTTAD, Crash, BTCS, and BS. The evolution is noticeable but real to the music style. Everyday was a forced evolution, but it rocks compared to this album.

[laissezdmb]

am glad they released this to really diversify the live performances mixing old DMB with new DMB.

Come on... :twak

[joepsu0985]

Dude...I can feel you on this...but dont loose faith just yet...wait until they are played live...hopefully they will be good...

[BeQuietAndDrive]

Well, the post didn't attack anything, so I guess that's a positive.

But I've read this a million times before, this just happens to say it with about 1000 more words, which ultimately means people will love it.

Not to mention we officially have our first horrible pun concerning the album title.

[siouxsiesue]

I disagree, wholeheartedly...

I love this album :thumbsup

[laissezdmb]

AMEN TO THIS THREAD.

Dude...I can feel you on this...but dont loose faith just yet...wait until they are played live...hopefully they will be good...

Come on, everything isn't live. There're a lot of people (like me) outside of USA who are NEVER going to listen DMB live.. I NEED studio albums, and good bands makes good studio albums.

That's why Radiohead is an amazing band.. they got a hugh fan base.. (much bigger than DMB fan base) and every studio album they release is better than the older one. And they got a GREAT live performance.

[ryguy178]

A well composed post. I've listened to the songs 5+ times today, and Honestly I don't know where I stand anymore. I loved them to begin with, but I don't find myself connecting with any of the songs in the way I hoped. Nothing strikes a truly emotional chord with me, and that is a quality of well written music. I'm not sure whether I think I like this because its DMB, or I actually like the music at all.

[BeQuietAndDrive]

AMEN TO THIS THREAD.



Come on, everything isn't live. There're a lot of people (like me) outside of USA who are NEVER going to listen DMB live.. I NEED studio albums, and good bands makes good studio albums.

That's why Radiohead is an amazing band.. they got a hugh fan base.. (much bigger than DMB fan base) and every studio album they release is better than the older one. And they got a GREAT live performance.

If you never listen to DMB live and you are a fan then I can't imagine how blown away you would be if you get some live material. I consider myself a hardcore fan and I listen to almost exclusively live material.

[ryguy178]

Come on, everything isn't live. There're a lot of people (like me) outside of USA who are NEVER going to listen DMB live.. I NEED studio albums, and good bands makes good studio albums.


I disagree. I'd say 95% of the DMB I listen to is live. I can't tell you the last time i've listened to a Studio Album other than BTCS all the way through. All the DMB songs that I absolutely adore come from emotions I get from listening to various live versions, not the ONE unchanging studio version. I've shelved most of my studio albums. Hell, i've even framed them and hung them on my bedroom wall. So yes, almost everything IS live. Well, for me at least.

[laissezdmb]

If you never listen to DMB live and you are a fan then I can't imagine how blown away you would be if you get some live material.

I meant I'm never going to be on a DMB concert. I've obviously heard them live on CD recordings.. but lives CD recording isn't enough for somebody who are never going to be on a live show.

[Juby11]

Well, the post didn't attack anything, so I guess that's a positive.

But I've read this a million times before, this just happens to say it with about 1000 more words, which ultimately means people will love it.

Not to mention we officially have our first horrible pun concerning the album title.

i gave more examples than any other thread I’ve read thus far of things that work and things that don't work along with the reasons why i believe such is the case. these many examples require many words. i congratulate you for picking up on this small detail. however, my apologies for your inability to observe that this post directly attacked the album itself. I find it unnecessary to attack specifics when the whole of the work is so terribly in shambles.

[BeQuietAndDrive]

i gave more examples than any other thread I’ve read thus far of things that work and things that don't work along with the reasons why i believe such is the case. these many examples require many words. i congratulate you for picking up on this small detail. however, my apologies for your inability to observe that this post directly attacked the album itself. I find it unnecessary to attack specifics when the whole of the work is so terribly in shambles.

I couldn't care less if you attack the album, that's your opinion. What I was referring to is that you didn't attack people who like the album, which is a strong positive of your post.

But if you really wanna be picky, some of your factual information is incorrect.

[dmbosw41]

yes nothing replaces live DMB. I dont listen to the studio stuff so Stand Up is just fun to listen to right now till the 05 shows come pouring in

[JonnyJoyRidin]

The guy with the first post. You just analyze way way to much and you must get out an enjoy Spring! This album Rocks! Everyband changes, all the greats do! As Scott Wyland puts it Glenn Ballard is everything that is wrong with music. Everydat was a lousy album! Some good tunes but it was a bad time for the band. Everyband has their One Hot Minute album. But Marc Batson is great and he brings the life back to the band that has been missing in the studio! I would love for them to keep working with him in the future!

[Juby11]

I couldn't care less if you attack the album, that's your opinion. What I was referring to is that you didn't attack people who like the album, which is a strong positive of your post.

But if you really wanna be picky, some of your factual information is incorrect.

if that's the case, i misinterpreted your post. however, i would in fact like you to be picky. if i'm mistaken somewhere, correct me. it saves me from looking stupid in the future.

[jwc197]

I was wondering if someone was gonna point out the errors in the original post hahahaha...

Just thought I'd add that none of us have listened to this album more than 10 times through, so we are all giving our first impressions. I don't know how many times I listened to BTCS before it became what it is to me now... I'm still getting into this album, but I think it's growing on me.

[TurboPGT]

stand up kicks ass

[BeQuietAndDrive]

if that's the case, i misinterpreted your post. however, i would in fact like you to be picky. if i'm mistaken somewhere, correct me. it saves me from looking stupid in the future.

I wrote my post wrong, by saying "anything" instead of "anyone", that's my fault.

For further reference, LB, ODH, HFTGL, and maybe some others are longer than 4:30.

[jwc197]

For one,
I believe you're wrong on the Alanis lyrics. My interpretation is "You fucking asked for it motherfucker."

For two,
American Baby 4:35
Old Dirt Hill 4:56
Louisiana Bayou 5:30
You Might Die Trying 4:35

For three,
there's plenty of "jams" on this album... American Baby, You Might Die Trying, Louisiana Bayou, etc. Just because they don't last 20 minutes doesn't mean they're not jams... I know you said something about this in your post, but wait 'til you see how some of these songs with no jams get jammed on in concert.

-Just being picky...

[JonnyJoyRidin]

Im with you JWC!!! More TIX FOR US while you sit home and play with your ball bag and listen to Glenn Ballard Produced Music!:24

[Juby11]

For one,
I believe you're wrong on the Alanis lyrics. My interpretation is "You fucking asked for it motherfucker."

For two,
American Baby 4:35
Old Dirt Hill 4:56
Louisiana Bayou 5:30
You Might Die Trying 4:35

For three,
there's plenty of "jams" on this album... American Baby, You Might Die Trying, Louisiana Bayou, etc. Just because they don't last 20 minutes doesn't mean they're not jams... I know you said something about this in your post, but wait 'til you see how some of these songs with no jams get jammed on in concert.

-Just being picky...

Alright, the interpretation is your own, and i was wrong about the times, but would my point really be any stronger if i'd said that no song lasts longer than 5:30? Also, perhaps instead of saying there were no "jams" i should have said there were no "DMB Jams." Come on, look at the length of the Two Step jam off of Crash vs a Two Step jam from a concert. I didn't want a 20 minute long song on the album, but i did want something more than the same melody repeated for two minutes as a "jam/outro"

[BrahmaBull]

Its "Hani, Hani", and dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out of the Dave Matthews Band Community.

I havent listened to the Album yet, Im waiting for the CD, maybe I refuse to believe it is as bad as you say it is or maybe reading your post just pissed me off and is making me afraid that I too might not like the album...in any case I dont like your post for the simple fact its just to rip the album, go on some other message board and rip it....I dont see how this thread is doing anything positive for this community that you are supposedly so deeply rooted in.

and dont come at me with there is nothing wrong with critisizm...this is a fan site not a bash site...if you dont like the album just say: I dont like it. and leave...your long post of anger isnt gonna get the album pulled off the shelves and throw the boys back in the studio, so really whats the point?

you just sound way too high and mighty as some elite fan and community member but then say you know fans will sing honey honey. youre the only one singin honey honey and hopefully the only one with this much hate for the new stuff.

Cheers,

[illuminati817]

Im with you JWC!!! More TIX FOR US while you sit home and play with your ball bag and listen to Glenn Ballard Produced Music!:24

Oh don't worry, Juby and I already have warehouse tix to all 3 FL shows. This album might be what it is (and im with juby 100% on this) but we're still DMB fans, which is why the quality (or lack thereof) of this album hurts the way it does.

[TurboPGT]

Alright, the interpretation is your own, and i was wrong about the times, but would my point really be any stronger if i'd said that no song lasts longer than 5:30? Also, perhaps instead of saying there were no "jams" i should have said there were no "DMB Jams." Come on, look at the length of the Two Step jam off of Crash vs a Two Step jam from a concert. I didn't want a 20 minute long song on the album, but i did want something more than the same melody repeated for two minutes as a "jam/outro"

stand up kicks ass

[BrahmaBull]

stand up kicks ass

stand up kicks ass

:lol

[joepsu0985]

A well composed post. I've listened to the songs 5+ times today, and Honestly I don't know where I stand anymore. I loved them to begin with, but I don't find myself connecting with any of the songs in the way I hoped. Nothing strikes a truly emotional chord with me, and that is a quality of well written music. I'm not sure whether I think I like this because its DMB, or I actually like the music at all.


That is how I am feeling...I cant tell rigth now if it is good music of becasue of my passion for the DMB

[Ozzu]

stand up kicks ass

Yes it does. It's too early for me to rank it in the grand scheme of DMB studio albums, but my first impression of it was very good and after listening to it 3 or 4 times through, it's only getting better. Greatness!

[jwc197]

Alright, the interpretation is your own, and i was wrong about the times, but would my point really be any stronger if i'd said that no song lasts longer than 5:30? Also, perhaps instead of saying there were no "jams" i should have said there were no "DMB Jams." Come on, look at the length of the Two Step jam off of Crash vs a Two Step jam from a concert. I didn't want a 20 minute long song on the album, but i did want something more than the same melody repeated for two minutes as a "jam/outro"

Actually, now I'm curious... can I get some feedback from ants on those alanis lyrics in halloween? And I get your point about the lack of "DMB jams", but how about the classical-ish pieces (dreaming girl intro, american baby intro, album outro)? Surely they're just as much "DMB jams" as any segue on BTCS, just in a less traditional DMB sense... Just havin' fun talkin' about the album and listening to it (I'm falling in love with Dreamgirl, let's see how long it takes the radio to kill this one for me)...

[Juby11]

Its "Hani, Hani", and dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out of the Dave Matthews Band Community.

I havent listened to the Album yet, Im waiting for the CD, maybe I refuse to believe it is as bad as you say it is or maybe reading your post just pissed me off and is making me afraid that I too might not like the album...in any case I dont like your post for the simple fact its just to rip the album, go on some other message board and rip it....I dont see how this thread is doing anything positive for this community that you are supposedly so deeply rooted in.

and dont come at me with there is nothing wrong with critisizm...this is a fan site not a bash site...if you dont like the album just say: I dont like it. and leave...your long post of anger isnt gonna get the album pulled off the shelves and throw the boys back in the studio, so really whats the point?

you just sound way too high and mighty as some elite fan and community member but then say you know fans will sing honey honey. youre the only one singin honey honey and hopefully the only one with this much hate for the new stuff.

Cheers,

yes it was originally Hani Hani, but they changed the words from Hani's name to "honey honey" since they thought the song was too happy to go along with such a somber reference. there's a quote from American Beauty that says, "Never underestimate the power of denial."

by the way, I in no way feel bad saying this: i am an elitist fan, i do consider myself fairly knowledgeable about Dave Matthews Band music, i have been waiting quite some time for "new" DMB material since everyone more or less had Busted Stuff in the form of The Lilllywhite Sessions since before Everyday, and i think other fans as devoted as i was to the band will find this post useful. do not criticize me until you hear this album.

[penn darvis]

The guy with the first post. You just analyze way way to much and you must get out an enjoy Spring! This album Rocks! Everyband changes, all the greats do! As Scott Wyland puts it Glenn Ballard is everything that is wrong with music. Everydat was a lousy album! Some good tunes but it was a bad time for the band. Everyband has their One Hot Minute album. But Marc Batson is great and he brings the life back to the band that has been missing in the studio! I would love for them to keep working with him in the future!

1) Analysis is a great thing. When a song is well written, analyzing it makes me appreciate it that much more.

2) Scott Weiland is what's wrong with music. He needs to put down his megaphone and make an attempt at singing.

[TurboPGT]

Hunger for the Great Light is Rapnuzel's evil twin

[BrahmaBull]

yes it was originally Hani Hani, but they changed the words from Hani's name to "honey honey" since they thought the song was too happy to go along with such a somber reference. there's a quote from American Beauty that says, "Never underestimate the power of denial."

by the way, I in no way feel bad saying this: i am an elitist fan, i do consider myself fairly knowledgeable about Dave Matthews Band music, i have been waiting quite some time for "new" DMB material since everyone more or less had Busted Stuff in the form of The Lilllywhite Sessions since before Everyday, and i think other fans as devoted as i was to the band will find this post useful. do not criticize me until you hear this album.

you have been corrected about your supporting facts atleast 3 times thus far...

youre an elitist fan? you walked out of the DMB community at the top of this thread.

I know I havent listened to the album, but dont call me on jumping the gun

fuck, It hasnt even been officially released yet and you already have an irreversible opinion on it.

again, all you had to say was you dont like the album and go to www.fuckdmb.com and live happily ever after. not start all kinds of BS by trashing the album on a DMB FAN SITE.

[quick turtle]

Its "Hani, Hani", and dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out of the Dave Matthews Band Community.

I havent listened to the Album yet, Im waiting for the CD, maybe I refuse to believe it is as bad as you say it is or maybe reading your post just pissed me off and is making me afraid that I too might not like the album...in any case I dont like your post for the simple fact its just to rip the album, go on some other message board and rip it....I dont see how this thread is doing anything positive for this community that you are supposedly so deeply rooted in.

and dont come at me with there is nothing wrong with critisizm...this is a fan site not a bash site...if you dont like the album just say: I dont like it. and leave...your long post of anger isnt gonna get the album pulled off the shelves and throw the boys back in the studio, so really whats the point?

you just sound way too high and mighty as some elite fan and community member but then say you know fans will sing honey honey. youre the only one singin honey honey and hopefully the only one with this much hate for the new stuff.

Cheers,


you're an idiot.

if the original poster doesn't like the album why shouldn't he share his opinion -- its a DISCUSSION board. His post wasn't an angry tirade. He spelled out his problems with the album, simple as that. A fan is allowed to not like everything a band does.

its attitudes like this that got George Bush re-elected.

[Juby11]

you have been corrected about your supporting facts atleast 3 times thus far...

youre an elitist fan? you walked out of the DMB community at the top of this thread.

I know I havent listened to the album, but dont call me on jumping the gun

fuck, It hasnt even been officially released yet and you already have an irreversible opinion on it.

again, all you had to say was you dont like the album and go to www.fuckdmb.com and live happily ever after. not start all kinds of BS by trashing the album on a DMB FAN SITE.

you make me laugh. thank you. while i dont think im the first person youve run across who dislikes Stand Up, i think what scares you most is that my points seem to be the most thorough. good. it should scare you. don't worry. i'm sure you'll love the album. if you blindly defend that which you do not know and blast someone for criticizing that which they do, then i think youre an idiot.

[BrahmaBull]

Im more sorry that you hate the album than anything else, Im just having a hard time understanding why there are now multiple, "I hate this Band/Album threads"

Its ridiculous, If you hate this one album that much that you are no longer wanting to consider yourself a dmb community member than maybe you were never one to begin with...seriously, even if I hate the album twice as much as you do I just couldnt see myself making some of the statements you made...the DMB community is much more than just the music and I will always be thankful I found this band and community...

[BrahmaBull]

you make me laugh. thank you. while i dont think im the first person youve run across who dislikes Stand Up, i think what scares you most is that my points seem to be the most thorough. good. it should scare you. don't worry. i'm sure you'll love the album. if you blindly defend that which you do not know and blast someone for criticizing that which they do, then i think youre an idiot.

youre right, you know, you hate the album, you dont consider yourself a dmb community member, youre still here on the fan site.

I'm lost.

[goochylittlepig]

Stand Down
By: Rahawa Haile

It happened. The new Dave Matthews Band studio album is there for all to preview before purchasing. Needless to say, this is a move I sincerely wish every band made, as I believe it would facilitate greater sales, or at the very least, promote greater exposure to different styles of music to casual passerby. Now, before I go any further, I will say this much: we who have sampled the album online cannot yet appropriately judge the technical quality of the music -- but we can judge the musical quality of the music. What does that mean? There exist moments in film known as cinematic moments. These moments are largely individualized and consist of a person observing something that strikes them in a very personal and particularly interesting manner that most others take no notice of whatsoever. I do not believe these moments exclusive to film, and instead find them applicable to nearly all time based media -- most notably music. Thus, while people should feel free to leave thousands of posts concerning the “goodness or badness“ of the songs on Stand Up, or whether those songs were overproduced, or whether there lie more similarities between Stand Up and Everyday or Stand Up and BTCS, what we cannot do is find our “auditory moments” in 64kbps streamed samples from vh1.com. The physical quality of the songs themselves simply does not allow for this-- let alone whatever speakers you so happen to have attached to your computer. I guarantee you, one of my favorite auditory moments, the part of the BTCS version of “Halloween” towards the end where Alanis says, “Go on, get out of here, you motherf*ck*r,” would not be heard well on a 64kbps bit rate.

Also, several threads have mentioned that one of the biggest let downs of the album was the lack of summer songs from 2004. One of the first things I said when I saw the track list was, “Where’s ‘Sugar Will’? Where’s ‘Good, Good Time,’ or even ‘Crazy Easy’?” Seem familiar? How about the Busted Stuff album? Upon its release, one of the largest threads concerned the lack of “JTR” and “Sweet Up And Down” that should have followed from The Lillywhite Sessions. Though some might argue the band could be saving those songs for a later time, I think it rather obvious that the band is heading in a completely different direction than the one they were when they composed those songs. Therefore, no, I don’t see the placement of “JTR” or “Sweet Up And Down” or “Sugar Will” on an upcoming album as probable, and while I, too, was disappointed with the lack of summer songs, it wasn’t exactly something 100% unexpected considering previous trends.

That said, I think Stand Up, the album, terrible. Let me repeat that once more, I, me, the person composing this post, thinks the album terrible, and for all those who holler “the band’s evolving!”, well, while I hate to say it, you’re right. The band is evolving, and as much as I (along with the rest of the band barring Dave, apparently) thought Everyday a freak occurrence, something Dave needed to get past his depression or whatever the case might have been, the band actually seems proud of this album. From the clips on the studio album’s website, it appears as though the band finds this album an accurate and fair (and by that I mean every member believes they had a decent amount of input and freedom to experiment) representation of themselves.

Evolution, however, is no excuse for mediocrity. If you are reading this post, have gotten this far into it, and are enough of a fan to be logged in to antsmarching.org, then it’s safe to assume you’re no stranger to the exceptional amount of musical talent this band possesses. My question is where did it go? Layering several vocal harmonies one upon the other is not justification to leave your musical instruments on the floor collecting dust. I don’t believe a single song on Stand Up clocks in at more than 4:30, nor do I believe there’s a single jam on it (and for those that say leave that for the concerts, I’d like to point you in the direction of nearly every single track on BTCS and most of Crash). Nearly every verse on Stand Up consists solely of Carter’s drums and Dave’s vocals/guitar/piano. For DMB, this works only in certain situations:

1) There’s a very good guitar riff, of which there is but one (to be mentioned later) on Stand Up (e.g. “So Much To Say,” “Rhyme and Reason,” etc)
2) It’s a slow song and other instruments would ruin it (like they ruined “Where Are You Going” on BS). An example of such a song that works is “Crash.”
3) It’s a fast song (e.g. “Two Step,” “Drive In Drive Out,” and, as I promised to mention in 1), “Hello Again”)

I suppose this is the point where I provide a song-by-song deconstruction of Stand Up, but I find it unnecessary since the assessments would nearly be identical. I find “Hunger For The Great Light” the only truly inventive and collaborative gem on the album. As for the others, independent of whether they’re “DMB” songs, independent of whether they were overproduced, most are simply not good songs. What does it matter if Carter’s tones are too bright if three minutes into the song, “You Might Die Trying” turns into a faux-80s industrial rock medley? At the moment, the Favorite Song poll shows “Hello Again/Louisiana Bayou” in the lead. I promise you this is more a result of “Hello Again” than it is “Louisiana Bayou.” And the runners up? “Out of my hands” and “Steady As We Go” -- the two songs that are almost exclusively Dave and his piano throughout. The point I’m making is simple: Stand Up is not a good Dave Matthews BAND album, and it frightens me more than you know that people think it is. When I went to concerts last summer and the summers before that, I knew I was part of a community. I knew nearly everyone would start singing “Honey, honey, come and dance with me” when Dave began to play #36/Everyday. Hell, I knew that most people preferred nearly any other DMB album to Everyday. But now…people seem to actually like this latest effort of the band’s, and if that’s the case, and if the band is happy with the album, and if the fans are happy with the album, then I can no longer truly consider myself a part of the Dave Matthews Band community. As a friend of mine put it, “after ten years and ten shows, I need something more than nostalgia.”
i see you put a lot of thought into that, but let me make it more concise for you. wah wah wah, dmb changes like everything else, i wish they'd put out the same sounding stuff year after year.
but don't worry, i got an idea to cheer you up. go put on your old dmb albums and go listen to their hundreds of shows recorded before 2001, and live in a little bubble where you never have to grow. :24
sorry, i havent had a sarcastic post in awhile, im just sick of the bitching, ungrateful fans who havent really liked dmb in 5 years letting out their frustrations on the rest of us happy fans.

[aubdmb36]

You know what would be cool? If DMB got together and read BS like this before going into the studio next time. Then we could stop referring to them as artists but as our own little pawns. The truth is they dont and shouldn't give a damn about what you or any of us think about their album for several reasons. They know a HELL of a lot more about music than any of us. This is a very creative album with artists experimenting with a new sound. There are some beautiful tracks on this album, but thats not for me to say. I'm gonna buy this album because it sounds good to me. It's not BTCS, thank God. I've already got a copy of that one.

[Jessica41]

I've listened to these songs on repeat for 15 hours. I can still say it's not doing much for me....I'm still looking forward to tour like nothing else, but I can safely say I'm pretty nervous about half the set being stand up songs. The album isn't memorable or thought provoking for me. Yesss! I know, the band is changing and evolving...but that doesn't mean I happen to like it. I am thankful to the band that they are continuing to make music....and no matter what I will always have the shows Ive been to, and the albums past...but I really really don't want to say goodbye to the dmb I grew to love.

[BrahmaBull]

you're an idiot.

if the original poster doesn't like the album why shouldn't he share his opinion -- its a DISCUSSION board. His post wasn't an angry tirade. He spelled out his problems with the album, simple as that. A fan is allowed to not like everything a band does.

its attitudes like this that got George Bush re-elected.

you're an idiot for thinking of George Bush and blaming the the re-election of Bush on my attitude towards a completely negative and worthless post about soon to be released music on a fan site thats goal is to brng together people who are fans of the same thing.

Im not upset just because he hates the album but that he wants to rid himself of dmb. gimme a break. if this was there second album ok, but come on...relax, there is plenty of other dmb music to love and if this album sucks that bad then youll rarely hear it live at shows after this summer...look at everyday, a very low percentage of live songs in the last few yrs come from that album.

[BrahmaBull]

i see you put a lot of thought into that, but let me make it more concise for you. wah wah wah, dmb changes like everything else, i wish they'd put out the same sounding stuff year after year.
but don't worry, i got an idea to cheer you up. go put on your old dmb albums and go listen to their hundreds of shows recorded before 2001, and live in a little bubble where you never have to grow. :24
sorry, i havent had a sarcastic post in awhile, im just sick of the bitching, ungrateful fans who havent really liked dmb in 5 years letting out their frustrations on the rest of us happy fans.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[BrahmaBull]

I've listened to these songs on repeat for 15 hours. I can still say it's not doing much for me....I'm still looking forward to tour like nothing else, but I can safely say I'm pretty nervous about half the set being stand up songs. The album isn't memorable or thought provoking for me. Yesss! I know, the band is changing and evolving...but that doesn't mean I happen to like it. I am thankful to the band that they are continuing to make music....and no matter what I will always have the shows Ive been to, and the albums past...but I really really don't want to say goodbye to the dmb I grew to love.

there we go.

she doesnt like the album, but realized there is much more to like, does she PM a mod to ask to have her name removed from ants, rip up old ticket stubs, etc.

didnt think so...

she grew to love the band thus far...

maybe she'll grow to like this album...

if not, oh well...its still a very small piece in this Bands history

[Robio]

Stand Down
By: Rahawa Haile

It happened. The new Dave Matthews Band studio album is there for all to preview before purchasing. Needless to say, this is a move I sincerely wish every band made, as I believe it would facilitate greater sales, or at the very least, promote greater exposure to different styles of music to casual passerby. Now, before I go any further, I will say this much: we who have sampled the album online cannot yet appropriately judge the technical quality of the music -- but we can judge the musical quality of the music. What does that mean? There exist moments in film known as cinematic moments. These moments are largely individualized and consist of a person observing something that strikes them in a very personal and particularly interesting manner that most others take no notice of whatsoever. I do not believe these moments exclusive to film, and instead find them applicable to nearly all time based media -- most notably music. Thus, while people should feel free to leave thousands of posts concerning the “goodness or badness“ of the songs on Stand Up, or whether those songs were overproduced, or whether there lie more similarities between Stand Up and Everyday or Stand Up and BTCS, what we cannot do is find our “auditory moments” in 64kbps streamed samples from vh1.com. The physical quality of the songs themselves simply does not allow for this-- let alone whatever speakers you so happen to have attached to your computer. I guarantee you, one of my favorite auditory moments, the part of the BTCS version of “Halloween” towards the end where Alanis says, “Go on, get out of here, you motherf*ck*r,” would not be heard well on a 64kbps bit rate.

Also, several threads have mentioned that one of the biggest let downs of the album was the lack of summer songs from 2004. One of the first things I said when I saw the track list was, “Where’s ‘Sugar Will’? Where’s ‘Good, Good Time,’ or even ‘Crazy Easy’?” Seem familiar? How about the Busted Stuff album? Upon its release, one of the largest threads concerned the lack of “JTR” and “Sweet Up And Down” that should have followed from The Lillywhite Sessions. Though some might argue the band could be saving those songs for a later time, I think it rather obvious that the band is heading in a completely different direction than the one they were when they composed those songs. Therefore, no, I don’t see the placement of “JTR” or “Sweet Up And Down” or “Sugar Will” on an upcoming album as probable, and while I, too, was disappointed with the lack of summer songs, it wasn’t exactly something 100% unexpected considering previous trends.

That said, I think Stand Up, the album, terrible. Let me repeat that once more, I, me, the person composing this post, thinks the album terrible, and for all those who holler “the band’s evolving!”, well, while I hate to say it, you’re right. The band is evolving, and as much as I (along with the rest of the band barring Dave, apparently) thought Everyday a freak occurrence, something Dave needed to get past his depression or whatever the case might have been, the band actually seems proud of this album. From the clips on the studio album’s website, it appears as though the band finds this album an accurate and fair (and by that I mean every member believes they had a decent amount of input and freedom to experiment) representation of themselves.

Evolution, however, is no excuse for mediocrity. If you are reading this post, have gotten this far into it, and are enough of a fan to be logged in to antsmarching.org, then it’s safe to assume you’re no stranger to the exceptional amount of musical talent this band possesses. My question is where did it go? Layering several vocal harmonies one upon the other is not justification to leave your musical instruments on the floor collecting dust. I don’t believe a single song on Stand Up clocks in at more than 4:30, nor do I believe there’s a single jam on it (and for those that say leave that for the concerts, I’d like to point you in the direction of nearly every single track on BTCS and most of Crash). Nearly every verse on Stand Up consists solely of Carter’s drums and Dave’s vocals/guitar/piano. For DMB, this works only in certain situations:

1) There’s a very good guitar riff, of which there is but one (to be mentioned later) on Stand Up (e.g. “So Much To Say,” “Rhyme and Reason,” etc)
2) It’s a slow song and other instruments would ruin it (like they ruined “Where Are You Going” on BS). An example of such a song that works is “Crash.”
3) It’s a fast song (e.g. “Two Step,” “Drive In Drive Out,” and, as I promised to mention in 1), “Hello Again”)

I suppose this is the point where I provide a song-by-song deconstruction of Stand Up, but I find it unnecessary since the assessments would nearly be identical. I find “Hunger For The Great Light” the only truly inventive and collaborative gem on the album. As for the others, independent of whether they’re “DMB” songs, independent of whether they were overproduced, most are simply not good songs. What does it matter if Carter’s tones are too bright if three minutes into the song, “You Might Die Trying” turns into a faux-80s industrial rock medley? At the moment, the Favorite Song poll shows “Hello Again/Louisiana Bayou” in the lead. I promise you this is more a result of “Hello Again” than it is “Louisiana Bayou.” And the runners up? “Out of my hands” and “Steady As We Go” -- the two songs that are almost exclusively Dave and his piano throughout. The point I’m making is simple: Stand Up is not a good Dave Matthews BAND album, and it frightens me more than you know that people think it is. When I went to concerts last summer and the summers before that, I knew I was part of a community. I knew nearly everyone would start singing “Honey, honey, come and dance with me” when Dave began to play #36/Everyday. Hell, I knew that most people preferred nearly any other DMB album to Everyday. But now…people seem to actually like this latest effort of the band’s, and if that’s the case, and if the band is happy with the album, and if the fans are happy with the album, then I can no longer truly consider myself a part of the Dave Matthews Band community. As a friend of mine put it, “after ten years and ten shows, I need something more than nostalgia.”

HAHAHAHAHA :lol .....fag

[Erich]

Dear Rahawa Haile,

The wit police called. "Stand Down" is a horrible violation, and you'll subsequently have to be shot in the back of the head. This is of course regardless of your opinion of the album, which is respected fully. Don't worry, we'll kill you in your sleep.

Cheers, and enjoy your last witless days on Earth,

Jesus
CEO of YernotFunny inc.

[nonewdirections]

I've listened to these songs on repeat for 15 hours. I can still say it's not doing much for me....I'm still looking forward to tour like nothing else, but I can safely say I'm pretty nervous about half the set being stand up songs. The album isn't memorable or thought provoking for me. Yesss! I know, the band is changing and evolving...but that doesn't mean I happen to like it. I am thankful to the band that they are continuing to make music....and no matter what I will always have the shows Ive been to, and the albums past...but I really really don't want to say goodbye to the dmb I grew to love.

:lol maybe part of the problem is overlistening to music. i don't listen to a favorite album of mine more than a few times a week. sometimes it'll be two weeks between listenings of an album i love. makes me savor it that much more when i do get to hear it.

[dmbforlife]

Is anyone else tired of all the negativity floating around this new album. The negative people are f*ckin killing me. People need to start saying good things about dmb again.

[illuminati817]

its attitudes like this that got George Bush re-elected.

A-f***ing-men!

[Ozzu]

Is anyone else tired of all the negativity floating around this new album. The negative people are f*ckin killing me. People need to start saying good things about dmb again.

Go to any board for any band that has been around for any extended period of time. Now, read the posts. Notice how most people consider the new stuff of lesser quality than the older stuff. It is always going to be that way. The sooner you realize how these things work, the sooner you'll realize you don't have to be that way and the sooner you'll stop letting others get you down about something that if you hadn't read sucked, you would actually LIKE!

[Haiku Jimi]

i see you put a lot of thought into that, but let me make it more concise for you. wah wah wah, dmb changes like everything else, i wish they'd put out the same sounding stuff year after year.
but don't worry, i got an idea to cheer you up. go put on your old dmb albums and go listen to their hundreds of shows recorded before 2001, and live in a little bubble where you never have to grow. :24
sorry, i havent had a sarcastic post in awhile, im just sick of the bitching, ungrateful fans who havent really liked dmb in 5 years letting out their frustrations on the rest of us happy fans.

I agree that things have to move on but come on...for example, does anyone want to hear anything Paul McCartney has written in the last 20 years at his shows? No...he's "evolved" to poop. Am I wrong? Its sad when great artists start writing bad music. You dont have to "live in a bubble" and listen strictly to DMB's ealrier stuff if you dont like Stand Up...you can just move on to other bands. There's nothing wrong with disliking something that a band you happen to listen to puts out. Is there? Just move on...but I dont blame him for venting before moving on...he no longer likes a band that he seemed to love. You dont like his opinion? Dont accept it. Easy.

[illuminati817]

Is anyone else tired of all the negativity floating around this new album. The negative people are f*ckin killing me. People need to start saying good things about dmb again.

Is anyone else tired about hearing that theres more and more people with aids in the world everyday? the negative people are f***ing killing me, people need to start saying good things about aids again.

Is anyone else tired about hearing that theres more and more soldiers dying everyday? the negative people are f***ing killing me, people need to start saying good things about the war in iraq again.

its not being negative, its being a realist. theres no reason to tell lies or deceive yourself. When people who know about music(being musicians ourselves) realize something not up to par, thats simply it; nothing else to it.

That doesn't mean the band isnt to be loved. It is in fact because of how much we love the band, the guys, and their music; that this realization of quality decrease stings like it does.

[Fiverz]

Man does the negativity abound in this magical land known as "Ants" ....

Ok so one person has a negative opinion about the album, and 90% of the people jump on him/her? What's up with that? As said earlier it's a DISCUSSION BOARD.

And to those people with their chests all puffed out that said "WELL THIS IS A FAN SITE HAR HAR HAR" ... just because someone doesn't like one album doesn't mean that they don't like the BAND. Hell I wonder how many of you people who are ripping this guy are the same people who ripped Everyday when it came out.

I think Stand Up rocks and I think the thread starter has some good points too. They are all opinions. This post is a friggin' opinion. I just think it's pretty stupid to be dissing someone for stating it .... my two cents.

[BrahmaBull]

A-f***ing-men!

oh get over it, I didnt even vote for bush, that is the most ignorant comparison of two things Ive ever seen in my life.

[BrahmaBull]

Man does the negativity abound in this magical land known as "Ants" ....

Ok so one person has a negative opinion about the album, and 90% of the people jump on him/her? What's up with that? As said earlier it's a DISCUSSION BOARD.

And to those people with their chests all puffed out that said "WELL THIS IS A FAN SITE HAR HAR HAR" ... just because someone doesn't like one album doesn't mean that they don't like the BAND. Hell I wonder how many of you people who are ripping this guy are the same people who ripped Everyday when it came out.

I think Stand Up rocks and I think the thread starter has some good points too. They are all opinions. This post is a friggin' opinion. I just think it's pretty stupid to be dissing someone for stating it .... my two cents.


thats the point, he dislikes one album and is ready to not consider himself a part of the bands community.


WAY too drastic

[Haiku Jimi]

oh get over it, I didnt even vote for bush, that is the most ignorant comparison of two things Ive ever seen in my life.

But you did cause AIDS...

[Fiverz]

Originally Posted by BrahmaBull
thats the point, he dislikes one album and is ready to not consider himself a part of the bands community.


WAY too drastic

Just because they leave Ants or the entire community does not mean they still don't like the band. I didn't even know about the communities for the first 2 years I was into DMB.

[illuminati817]

oh get over it, I didnt even vote for bush, that is the most ignorant comparison of two things Ive ever seen in my life.

listen to yourself speak buddy. you'll bash anyone who doesnt agree with your opinion, and i mean totally bash as in rudely and harshly; not eloquently like the post that started this thread.

(sorry to anyone out there whos republican) Whether you voted for bush or not, thats very republican in nature (or at least the republicans of late now in control of the party). mmm, perhaps the comparison isnt so far off after all huh.

[Fiverz]

Also, redundant post or not, what the hell do politics have to do with a person's opinion on the musicianship of an album???

[Ozzu]

Also, redundant post or not, what the hell do politics have to do with a person's opinion on the musicianship of an album???

Ding ding ding! We have a winner here folks!

[illuminati817]

Also, redundant post or not, what the hell do politics have to do with a person's opinion on the musicianship of an album???

Unless im mistaken he's the one that chose to bring back my very simple and by then pretty dead "a-f***ing-men!"
I'd already let that one die a long time ago.

[illuminati817]

...which by the way referred to his bad attitude being compared to certain political stand-points and not his(or anyone's) politics alone.

Alas that after all ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

I'm tired of this for tonight. Good-bye.

[montana49kcX]

All this pounding negativity and yelling brings to mind one of the great songwriters of our time. He truly revolutionized the field and brought smiles to children and fans all around the world. You know, you love him...he's a big purple dinosaur...let's all drop the angst and sing together....


I love you, you love me.
We're a happy family.
With a great big hug and kiss from me to you (kiss sound),
won't you say you love me too!
I love you, you love me.
We're a happy family.
With a great big hug and kiss from me to you (kiss sound),
won't you say you love me too!




Now that's some good songwriting. Give me Barney over Hunger For the Great Light any day!


:goat

[montana49kcX]

Oh, and another thing. Try to keep the politics out of these forums. I just gets nasty. If you want to compare Stand Up to Bush, go make a thread here:

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=58

[montana49kcX]

HAHAHAHAHA :lol .....fag

I busted out laughing after reading that post. It's great when you put so much time into your post (like the starter of this thread) and then someone comes back at you with an equally well-thought-out, "Ha ha...fag." Great stuff. :lol


ANYWAY...

I've learned through past experiences here that bashing someone else's opinon will get you nowhere fast. So I choose not to do it, even if it really bugs me. As for Stand Up, I will hold judgment until I get my CD. But odds are, I will like it. I'm a fan that began listening to DMB in 2002. I enjoyed the older stuff much more than the newer, as most do. But I did not, do not, and never will be stuck on one certain sound the band has. As much as Everyday is the weakest album they've put out (IMO), I have still grown to enjoy most of it. I love the band for ALL their music, even if some of it is not nearly as good as the rest. All of you will have your opinions, and some of you may totally disagree with mine. That's fine. I personally am on these boards for my love of the band and I am not going to just leave any time soon because I don't agree with something they do. But that's just me. ;)

[Fiverz]

Originally Posted by illuminati817
Unless im mistaken he's the one that chose to bring back my very simple and by then pretty dead "a-f***ing-men!"
I'd already let that one die a long time ago.

I meant whether having a thread with a negative opinion of Stand Up has been done a million times or not I still fail to see how a critique of an album's musicianship has anything to do with politics.


Originally Posted by illuminati817
...which by the way referred to his bad attitude being compared to certain political stand-points and not his(or anyone's) politics alone.

You both pretty much just said "I'm A and you're B so your view is typical of B's." Who the hell cares? Why do the politics have to come into play in the first place (not bashing anyone in particular)? I just don't get it.

:twak

[Fiverz]

Btw ... I love the code for that smiley beating the other smiley ... hehe ... "twak".

Now who is more likely to say "twak" .... Republicans or Democrats ...

[YeMiniMe]

Hey Rahawa,

I have a generally positive opinion on this album. I know that you are not asking anyone to agree or disagree with your opinion. In the end of the day, whether I like the album or not, you make some excellent points in your post.

To be more specific though, there is some good music in this album. There aren't as many jams but during the verses, the wind and string sections are much more present and in more interesting ways than on previous albums. One good example of this is Stolen Away. As you know, I have traditionally not been a Boyd Tinsley fan but after this album, I have a new respect for him. And this is without a high quality version where I will actually be able to pick up on everythign that he and Leroi do. There are a lot of new things on this album that I think are very interesting even though the jams are not extremely long or everpresent.

Also, you didn't touch on the lyrics of this album as it compares to the others but I believe that their quality is not nearly as high as on previous albums. In general, the choruses come too early and too often.

Regardless, there is a lot of good. If you'll be in Miami over the summer, me and kodachrome are planning on getting together to listen to the album really loud at my dad's restaurant. Mark Batsons's recommendation.

[gpvt68]

one of my favorite auditory moments, the part of the BTCS version of “Halloween” towards the end where Alanis says, “Go on, get out of here, you motherf*ck*r,” would not be heard well on a 64kbps bit rate.


I think it's funny that it's one of your "favorite" auditory moments, but you don't even know what she says. :haha

She says "Fucking asked for it, motherfucker"

[JonDMB]

I completely agree with the original poster.

This morning, the morning after the songs were released, I listened to it again. I started from the beginning. I found myself listening to the first 30 seconds and then skipping to the next song becaue I didn't feel like listening to it. I finally listened to a full song when I got to Hello Again. Then I listened to most of Louisana Bayou and went to the next track.

Then I realized, "Shit, I don't really enjoy listening to any of the songs on this album." Yesterday I thought the album was pretty good, today I think its decent to just plain shitty.

Also, I don't think very many of these songs are going to change much live, kind of like Everyday. A couple will change, but most of them will be played the same way they are on the album.

I'm already looking forward to their next release, sadly. Here's to hoping on the next one we see them return to the studio with the same energy, but with a return to their roots.

[goochylittlepig]

does anyone want to hear anything Paul McCartney has written in the last 20 years at his shows? No...he's "evolved" to poop. Am I wrong?
i...don't know. i think he's a stuck-up prick, and no probably not. but i wouldnt go to the paul mccartney message board to bitch about it just because i liked the beatles.
and i don't care if other people have opinions, but it's the same fucking thing posted again and again and again, this 20-25% of the users who keep saying "oh, it's pop, it's rap, it's shallow, i miss dmb from 10 years ago."
i welcome people sharing their opinions if there's something to discuss, instead of just a self-indulgent whining rant.

[goochylittlepig]

I think it's funny that it's one of your "favorite" auditory moments, but you don't even know what she says. :haha

She says "Fucking asked for it, motherfucker"
:D :thumbsup

[MMRL26]

IRegardless, there is a lot of good. If you'll be in Miami over the summer, me and kodachrome are planning on getting together to listen to the album really loud at my dad's restaurant. Mark Batsons's recommendation.

What restaurant?

[goochylittlepig]

All this pounding negativity and yelling brings to mind one of the great songwriters of our time. He truly revolutionized the field and brought smiles to children and fans all around the world. You know, you love him...he's a big purple dinosaur...let's all drop the angst and sing together....


I love you, you love me.
We're a happy family.
With a great big hug and kiss from me to you (kiss sound),
won't you say you love me too!
I love you, you love me.
We're a happy family.
With a great big hug and kiss from me to you (kiss sound),
won't you say you love me too!




Now that's some good songwriting. Give me Barney over Hunger For the Great Light any day!


:goat
i found something for you :p
HAHAHAHAHA :lol .....fag

[mynameistimmy]

Stand up kicks ass, and on the songs where Dave actually sings on key, it's even better!

[lrhudson]

I enjoy the fact they leave the summer songs off the album. I have heard the summer songs a zillion times. I have over 600 concert CD's to listen to. I enjoy a studio album that is completely different. Everyone knows the songs won't sound the same way live. Every song so far that has been played live sounds completely different from the album. They were in the studio and got a chance to produce sounds they couldn't live. Fun to listen to. Just because a fan likes it or doesn't like it doesn't make me happy or sad. I will go to a concert and have a great time watching this band perform. Sure beats the hell out of sitting at home and watching the Cubs lose another game. As for being a part of a DMB community, thats a little sappy for me. As long as the people sitting around me at the concert are fun and kind, thats all I care about. After this summer it will be 42 shows I have been to and I have enjoyed every single one of them. A random studio album that comes out doesn't change my opinion of how amazing this band is live.

[lrhudson]

I enjoy the fact they leave the summer songs off the album. I have heard the summer songs a zillion times. I have over 600 concert CD's to listen to. I enjoy a studio album that is completely different. Everyone knows the songs won't sound the same way live. Every song so far that has been played live sounds completely different from the album. They were in the studio and got a chance to produce sounds they couldn't live. Fun to listen to. Just because a fan likes it or doesn't like it doesn't make me happy or sad. I will go to a concert and have a great time watching this band perform. Sure beats the hell out of sitting at home and watching the Cubs lose another game. As for being a part of a DMB community, thats a little sappy for me. As long as the people sitting around me at the concert are fun and kind, thats all I care about. After this summer it will be 42 shows I have been to and I have enjoyed every single one of them. A random studio album that comes out doesn't change my opinion of how amazing this band is live.

[dmbfan524]

at first i hated basically everything i was hearing...but come on..dave on the piano in steady as we go...gives me goosebumps. im loving it now.

[JonDMB]

at first i hated basically everything i was hearing...but come on..dave on the piano in steady as we go...gives me goosebumps. im loving it now.
Then you listen to the lyrics and realize, "Hey, this is the cheesiest song I've ever heard."

[lrhudson]

sorry for the duplicate post,,,this site has been acting funny lately.

[slymshady626]

I honestly think that people are liking this album so much because they don't want the band to disappoint us again. I think another reason that people like this album is because, welll, it is good. But anybody that says this is better than anything other then Everyday...PLEASE go back and listen to Busted Stuff, BTCS, Crash, and UTTAD and actually listen to the music. You may not be bobbing your head to an electric drum beat like you can on Stand Up but the musical quality on those 4 albums just blows Stand Up away. And if you can't admit that, then I'd say you're just incredibly optimistic.

[montana49kcX]

i found something for you :p
:twak


touché! :lorraine

[mikepalmer_05]

Ussually when I listen to a CD for the first time,

[paris72]

I am down to Out of My Hands and so far I really don't know what to think

Where is Carter? All the songs sound like a drum machine...

Disappointed so far :shrug :lorraine

[dmbband6]

Sorry to all you new BS dave pop fans but This album is complete dirt. This is a complete joke and barely anyone has realized this yet. This music doesn't even sound like dave. The entire CD sounds like it was made from a rap mixing board. Even dave's voice is different. Half the songs sound like a random clutter of instruments. I am very dissappointed with dave. The American Baby intro (gun shots) sounds like it should be followed with some " I kill bitches " line or something. And the first 30 seconds of YOU MIGHT DIE TRYING sounds like that lame rap song - "EVERYBODY GETTING TIPSY." Like is dave serious about this or is he going to come out with another REAL album?

[paris72]

I just got finished with the previews and all I can do is...








:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

Complete letdown. Will not buy the album... :thumbsdow

[BrahmaBull]

Just because they leave Ants or the entire community does not mean they still don't like the band. I didn't even know about the communities for the first 2 years I was into DMB.

so leave the community...dont continue to be a part of it sayin you dont want to be. furthermore, he hates the album made by the band... so the first thing to do is leave the community?

maybe if antsmarching.org or the DMB community released a record he hated hed stop liking DMB.

:BANG

[BrahmaBull]

But you did cause AIDS...

Im sorry about that

[aubdmb36]

everybody knows that democrats are dumber than republicans and this post just proves it. George Bush and I likes Stand Up because its smart.

[BrahmaBull]

Unless im mistaken he's the one that chose to bring back my very simple and by then pretty dead "a-f***ing-men!"
I'd already let that one die a long time ago.

bring it back? i was just responding to it. you can believe that my objection to his reaction to the new album is republican in nature all you want. It just doesnt make sense to view one's opinion on any topic as a republican or democrat stance.

[BrahmaBull]

...which by the way referred to his bad attitude being compared to certain political stand-points and not his(or anyone's) politics alone.

Alas that after all ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

I'm tired of this for tonight. Good-bye.

you are a superior human being for your many years of wisdom.

and I am a lowly ignorant republican because I attacked someones attack on my favorite band.

[aubdmb36]

Sorry to all you new BS dave pop fans but This album is complete dirt. This is a complete joke and barely anyone has realized this yet. This music doesn't even sound like dave. The entire CD sounds like it was made from a rap mixing board. Even dave's voice is different. Half the songs sound like a random clutter of instruments. I am very dissappointed with dave. The American Baby intro (gun shots) sounds like it should be followed with some " I kill bitches " line or something. And the first 30 seconds of YOU MIGHT DIE TRYING sounds like that lame rap song - "EVERYBODY GETTING TIPSY." Like is dave serious about this or is he going to come out with another REAL album?

Like, you should write for Rolling Stone.

[BrahmaBull]

Stand up kicks ass, and on the songs where Dave actually sings on key, it's even better!

:BANG

thanks for your input, your comment is a huge asset to this community

[BrahmaBull]

Sorry to all you new BS dave pop fans but This album is complete dirt. This is a complete joke and barely anyone has realized this yet. This music doesn't even sound like dave. The entire CD sounds like it was made from a rap mixing board. Even dave's voice is different. Half the songs sound like a random clutter of instruments. I am very dissappointed with dave. The American Baby intro (gun shots) sounds like it should be followed with some " I kill bitches " line or something. And the first 30 seconds of YOU MIGHT DIE TRYING sounds like that lame rap song - "EVERYBODY GETTING TIPSY." Like is dave serious about this or is he going to come out with another REAL album?

Its the Dave Matthews Band. see your username?

yeah.

[SeaneeRo66]

I'm on the fence with the album. There's a lot I like and some I don't. Some like, some hate it. That's fine. Just because you're fan doesn't mean you have to like evertying the band does. That said, I for one don't necessarily need to hear you vent all your complaints. Sorry you don't like it, but spare us your frustrations.

The only point I want to make is that if DMB played 80 shows a year, and the rarity index for Ants Marching is 50, that means they played it roughly 600 times over the past 15 years, not counting practice and studio time. If I were Dave, I'd definitely want to change things up a bit and play something different. Do you really think that Pacino would want to play Michael Corleone his entire acting career? Doubtful. The movie "Simone" may have really sucked, but he probably had some fun making it. Allow him that experience.

I honestly expect another old style DMB album before they call it quits but let's give them the opportunity to experiment and have fun without crucifying them.

[2StepintoCrash]

Give it a chance!

[dobyblue]

Its the Dave Matthews Band. see your username?

yeah.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[AcousTronic]

Personally, I think the band should have waited until the release date to release any tracks. I would have bought a copy... Now, I know I don't like it, and won't spend the money... Well, I have my tickets to see them, and just hope that they stick to the old stuff, or it may have to be my last DMB concert too.

[BrahmaBull]

Personally, I think the band should have waited until the release date to release any tracks. I would have bought a copy... Now, I know I don't like it, and won't spend the money... Well, I have my tickets to see them, and just hope that they stick to the old stuff, or it may have to be my last DMB concert too.

yeah, I dont see how releasing the entire album with entire tracks online is at all advantageous, I've already pre ordered, and wouldnt cancel(even if I could) the dual disc to me is worth having as well so the online release isnt changing my purchase, but I could see the average fan along with people that hate it now not wanting to buy it.

Thats Bad business.

[montana49kcX]

Personally, I think the band should have waited until the release date to release any tracks. I would have bought a copy... Now, I know I don't like it, and won't spend the money... Well, I have my tickets to see them, and just hope that they stick to the old stuff, or it may have to be my last DMB concert too.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll stick to the old stuff. It's not like putting out an album is a big deal or anything. I don't think they'll even want to play any new stuff at all. :BANG I guess it will be your last DMB concert after all.

[goochylittlepig]

I honestly think that people are liking this album so much because they don't want the band to disappoint us again.
i thought this album was gonna bite from the moment i heard about batson, right through to hearing the radio edit of american baby. i was pissed, i was bitching about it, and i was already disappointed. the reason i like this album so much is not because i dont want to be disappointed. it's because i genuinely like most of these songs a lot. it doesn't sound like crash or uttad, but neither do any of the other albums by every other band i listen to.

[goochylittlepig]

Personally, I think the band should have waited until the release date to release any tracks. I would have bought a copy... Now, I know I don't like it, and won't spend the money... Well, I have my tickets to see them, and just hope that they stick to the old stuff, or it may have to be my last DMB concert too.
if you've got spac tix, save yourself the trouble and give them to me. i don't mean to judge you as a person based on one post, but if i was going to, you sound like a spoiled, whining child :thumbsup :goat

[quick turtle]

so leave the community...dont continue to be a part of it sayin you dont want to be. furthermore, he hates the album made by the band... so the first thing to do is leave the community?

maybe if antsmarching.org or the DMB community released a record he hated hed stop liking DMB.

:BANG


If unconditionally praising everything the band does was a requirement for being part of their "community", there would have been a very small group post-Everyday.

As for the Dem/Rep thing I started. I didn't say anyone affiliated themselves with a particular party. I was just saying that your attitude reminded me about how Republicans talked about W during the campaign. Think about it, you admit to not even have heard the album, yet you are railing against people who don't like it, telling them to love it or leave it. Sounds a whole lot like someone who doesn't support the war being told they should leave the country.

The fag comment by your buddy was also very intelligent and well thought out.


just curious, for all of you who love the album, what do you think of Old Dirt Hill?

[montana49kcX]

If unconditionally praising everything the band does was a requirement for being part of their "community", there would have been a very small group post-Everyday.

As for the Dem/Rep thing I started. I didn't say anyone affiliated themselves with a particular party. I was just saying that your attitude reminded me about how Republicans talked about W during the campaign. Think about it, you admit to not even have heard the album, yet you are railing against people who don't like it, telling them to love it or leave it. Sounds a whole lot like someone who doesn't support the war being told they should leave the country.

The fag comment by your buddy was also very intelligent and well thought out.


just curious, for all of you who love the album, what do you think of Old Dirt Hill?


I like the album as of right now, and I think Old Dirt Hill would be okay without the horrible karaoke backup vocals, but with them, the song goes straight down the drain. Those voices are just too much.

[goochylittlepig]

just curious, for all of you who love the album, what do you think of Old Dirt Hill?
i didnt love it initially, so i've only listened to it 2-3 times through. it's not bad, but i haven't gotten into it yet. that and dreamgirl. i wish they had picked different openers. i think joyride as an opener and dream girl as #2 would've been a lot better.

Edit: actually, fuck it, i'm getting the bonus disc and it's all going on my ipod. i can make it just like if it turns out to sound better to me like that. :babe

[joepsu0985]

I like the album as of right now, and I think Old Dirt Hill would be okay without the horrible karaoke backup vocals, but with them, the song goes straight down the drain. Those voices are just too much.

ODH drives me crazy....I cant stand the begnining...ahh

[fujihanashi]

People have just as much right to say negative things about the album as people do to say positive things about the album. We have all been DMB fans for quite a while and have bought many CDs and have downloaded every Dave song.

Stupid negative comments get old and annoying but so do stupid positive comments, it is just that people are more likely to speak out when they are pissed.

[unionflip]

That's why Radiohead is an amazing band.. they got a hugh fan base.. (much bigger than DMB fan base) and every studio album they release is better than the older one. And they got a GREAT live performance.

please. every radiohead album is not better than the older one.. i can't even believe you just said that.. i've been a fan of radiohead since the bends, and i also am a regular on a few radiohead messageboards, and they go thru the same shit there as we do here.. you are insane if you think HTTT is better than the bends or ok computer, or even kid a. HTTT has a few good moments, but it is not great by any means..


its attitudes like this that got George Bush re-elected.

god damnit.. wtf is wrong with you people! who brings politics into a music discussion.. how does anyone's musical opinion relate to who they voted for, or even if they voted at all! there is no place for your comment in this discussion. so politely, please do yourself a favor, and get fucked.

[AcousTronic]

you sound like a spoiled, whining child :thumbsup :goat


Yup, a spoiled child I am... And you know what spoiled me? DMB before Mark Batson got ahold of them and brainwashed them into thinking the music they were doing in the studio was worth listening to.

Don't get me wrong, I love DMB otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. I just know that Dave has much better music in him than what I heard on Stand Up. I respect that the band is going in new directions and trying to break new ground, but it just sounds to me like all the other regurgitated crap that people are getting spoonfed on the radio everyday, and actually not as good as some of that crap.

But hey, if you want to take a stab at me for expressing an honest opinion on a forum, then it doesn't seem to me as I am the one that needs to grow up.

[Haiku Jimi]

i...don't know. i think he's a stuck-up prick, and no probably not. but i wouldnt go to the paul mccartney message board to bitch about it just because i liked the beatles.

I wasnt talking Beatles stuff, I meant his solo stuff used to be much better, but in the 80's he started writing bad music with the exception of Tug of War. If message boards were around back then, I would go bitch there when he started putting out bad albums. I mean think about it, if a band you really like starts writing music that you feel is uninspired or bad, wouldn't you be a little upset?

[MistreatedLewis]

please. every radiohead album is not better than the older one.. i can't even believe you just said that.. i've been a fan of radiohead since the bends, and i also am a regular on a few radiohead messageboards, and they go thru the same shit there as we do here.. you are insane if you think HTTT is better than the bends or ok computer, or even kid a. HTTT has a few good moments, but it is not great by any means..
.

No HTTT is not better than those albums, but I do give Radiohead a lot of credit for sticking with the direction they've been going and not releasing OK Computer II like their fans want them to (no electronic sounds).

Gee... no electronic sounds... sounds like these boards!

[Tinusch]

The band openly admits that this album was rushed and thrown together. Well guess what, it shows. You get some brownie points for spontenaity, but don't expect to come out with a masterpiece, because you get out what you put in. It's an underdeveloped and shallow album, it sounds forced and largely insincere, there is little lyrical depth and no real progression or complexity to the songs. It's a few good ideas hyped up to be something more than that.

That said, I can appreciate it and listen to it, I don't hate it by any means. But I can also enjoy Everyday in small doses, that doesn't make it a stellar album.

[Cortez 4]

you're an idiot.

if the original poster doesn't like the album why shouldn't he share his opinion -- its a DISCUSSION board. His post wasn't an angry tirade. He spelled out his problems with the album, simple as that. A fan is allowed to not like everything a band does.

its attitudes like this that got George Bush re-elected.


:thumbsup

[SeaneeRo66]

The band openly admits that this album was rushed and thrown together.

I heard that, too. Why do you think that is - pressure from the label, unable to tolerate listening to Mark talk about how cool Eminem is? Any idea?

[chalktwo]

Come on, everything isn't live. There're a lot of people (like me) outside of USA who are NEVER going to listen DMB live.. I NEED studio albums, and good bands
makes good studio albums.

You may never SEE dmb live but that sure as hell doesn't mean you can't hear them. By a live release. Hop over to the audio download thread. Go to dreamingtree.org or the ants server when it's up. I'm going to my first show this summer, but I've already heard hours and hours of live material through the magic of the internet.

[chrisandiego]

just curious, for all of you who love the album, what do you think of Old Dirt Hill?

I thought at first that it was a little lame, but it's grown on me and I really dig the song...the ending is just awesome. The whole album seems to build up, it seems to be a theme of the CD. But yes, I do like Old Dirt Hill. My least favorite would be Stand Up.

[Tinusch]

I heard that, too. Why do you think that is - pressure from the label, unable to tolerate listening to Mark talk about how cool Eminem is? Any idea?

Well, like I said in another thread, or maybe it was this one, I don't feel like scrolling up, I think there's a lot to be said for simplicity and spontenaity, but ONLY when the finished product sounds good. If it doesn't, then the speed at which it was written becomes more of a flaw than a point of pride.

Also, I don't think Batson is the right guy for DMB. I'm sure they feel very relaxed and liberated by exploring such different territory, and I'm sure Batson is proud to have had his influence over such a huge band, but I just don't think it was the right recipe for success for DMB. For someone like Eminem, Batson's influence may open up new doors, but for DMB, I think it kind of stifled them.

[jdmbellen]

i agree mostly with the original post of this thread, heck i gave her a point for it. the fact that i voted on the 'favorite song' poll for a song that is made up of dave's simple unchallenged voice and a simple sweet piano, scared me. it was hardly a DMB song, yet my favorite on the whole album.

[dobyblue]

The band openly admits that this album was rushed and thrown together. Well guess what, it shows. You get some brownie points for spontenaity, but don't expect to come out with a masterpiece, because you get out what you put in.
Yeah rushed and thrown together over 5 months, unlike Everyday which was done in 9 days. :confused
You get no brownie points for your syntax. ;)
Well, like I said in another thread, or maybe it was this one, I don't feel like scrolling up, I think there's a lot to be said for simplicity and spontenaity, but ONLY when the finished product sounds good. If it doesn't, then the speed at which it was written becomes more of a flaw than a point of pride.

Also, I don't think Batson is the right guy for DMB. I'm sure they feel very relaxed and liberated by exploring such different territory, and I'm sure Batson is proud to have had his influence over such a huge band, but I just don't think it was the right recipe for success for DMB. For someone like Eminem, Batson's influence may open up new doors, but for DMB, I think it kind of stifled them.
Whoopsie daisies there it is again! :lol
You may never SEE dmb live but that sure as hell doesn't mean you can't hear them. By a live release. Hop over to the audio download thread. Go to dreamingtree.org or the ants server when it's up. I'm going to my first show this summer, but I've already heard hours and hours of live material through the magic of the internet.
That is so true - there's a torrent over at dreamingtree.org called dream setlist which has some favourite performances of many songs by the band.
It's great to listen to studio tracks from time to time on a nice stereo, like Bartender in 5.1 for instance from the Busted Stuff bonus DVD, but the live shows of which there are many for you to choose from through trades and b&p's and torrents are where it's at.
When people talk about how brilliant Dreaming Tree is from 07.25.98 then you go and check it and lo and behold it's pure genius.
That's just a small example. Look in the Bartender threads in DMBc within the first couple pages and you'll see how many different perfomances are mentioned as worth listening to.
Remember when it comes to seeing DMB live, never say never.
I never thought I'd see Jane's Addiciton live - they are fantastic. They reformed for a tour with Flea on bass in 2003 and I saw one of the best concerts I've ever seen.
Yup, a spoiled child I am... And you know what spoiled me? DMB before Mark Batson got ahold of them and brainwashed them into thinking the music they were doing in the studio was worth listening to.

Don't get me wrong, I love DMB otherwise I wouldn't be on this forum. I just know that Dave has much better music in him than what I heard on Stand Up. I respect that the band is going in new directions and trying to break new ground, but it just sounds to me like all the other regurgitated crap that people are getting spoonfed on the radio everyday, and actually not as good as some of that crap.

But hey, if you want to take a stab at me for expressing an honest opinion on a forum, then it doesn't seem to me as I am the one that needs to grow up.
I think they were referring to your foolish opinion that if the band plays only new material on tour that you'll never go and see them again. It is foolish. Look at every album that has come out. The band will always vary their setlists and will continue to bring back rare songs for each tour. They will not change that. They love playing their material from the first song they wrote to the last.

[Tinusch]

Oh shit. You get bonus points for actually knowing how to spell that. :thumbsup

[matty0005]

One of the major arguments to support the Stand Up songs is that the band will jam them out in a live setting, and that these tunes will magically evolve to meet and exceed any and all of our expectations. Now this is only speculation based on the 2001 tour, but let's look at how the last excessively (?) produced album, Everyday, turned out on the tour. All of the everyday songs, save the title track, Angel, and WYA, clocked in around 4 minutes live (give or take). I remember that everyone was clamoring about how great IDI would turn out live, but if I'm going to take a bathroom break during any live DMB song, it would be IDI. (my personal preference). Do we have any evidence that these songs will sound better live? Once they're stripped of the multiple vocal layerings and excess noise, do these songs have any room to grow in a live setting? If the Everyday tour is any indication then we could be looking at 20-23 song sets with a majority of songs clippin' in at under 5 minutes. (again, for those fans steaming at negativity, I'm only speculating using the 2001 tour as a reference.)
I am not implying that a longer song correlates with a musically superior (or better) song, as I extremely enjoyed Joy Ride (and many other short but sweet songs RR, etc) this past summer and fall, but I prefer songs that allow the audience to see DMB for the amazing muscians that they are. Just as I though Everyday curtailed the band's talents, I feel that their musical fire could be smothered again this summer. I hope this summer's tour proves me wrong. I hope that they infuse these songs with the improvisation and emotion that DMB is famous for. I hope my thinking and comparisons are way off. I am still planning on another great Alpine weekend this july, and a Stand Up heavy setlist won't have me tearing down my DMB posters and withdrawing my Warehouse membership, but I'm afraid that I'll be disappointed and left wanting.

[mcmunn]

The band openly admits that this album was rushed and thrown together. Well guess what, it shows. You get some brownie points for spontenaity, but don't expect to come out with a masterpiece, because you get out what you put in. It's an underdeveloped and shallow album, it sounds forced and largely insincere, there is little lyrical depth and no real progression or complexity to the songs. It's a few good ideas hyped up to be something more than that.

That said, I can appreciate it and listen to it, I don't hate it by any means. But I can also enjoy Everyday in small doses, that doesn't make it a stellar album.

I disagree with some of your thoughts. It's obvious that you do not like this album and that is fine. However, in my opinion, I do not agree that this is an "insincere" album. Dave sounds very sincere in many of the new songs, especially "Out of my hands". I feel that this new album is one part political statement about the current state of the world and this country, and one part the band having a lot of fun making likable songs. Any comparisons to Everyday should stop, because the only thing that Stand Up has in common with Everyday is it is a departure from the traditional DMB sound. I believe there is a huge difference between a band being given sheet music by the producer (Everyday) and the band being encouraged to put each of thier own creative stamp on a variety of songs (Stand Up). I did not care for Everyday, but I love this album so far. Judging by the history of the Dave Matthews Band and their role as political activists (especially recently), I believe that this album reeks of sincerity.

[goochylittlepig]

everybody knows that democrats are dumber than republicans and this post just proves it. George Bush and I likes Stand Up because its smart.
lol. yes, cuz the republican's constituency is a bunch of poor hicks and religious whackos, while college professors, people with PhDs, the scientific community, etc are democrats, and virtually every developed country besides China and Russia is far left of this country

[goochylittlepig]

I like the album as of right now, and I think Old Dirt Hill would be okay without the horrible karaoke backup vocals, but with them, the song goes straight down the drain. Those voices are just too much.
yeah, im not a fan of the way they did this song. it's not like the worst thing ever, but it definitely is one of my least favorites. it's just one song, but i wish they had put it later in the album. i actually with they made joy ride a little "harder" and opened with that, and made dream girl #2. it woulda flowed a lot better

[Matt1838]

At the moment, the Favorite Song poll shows “Hello Again/Louisiana Bayou” in the lead. I promise you this is more a result of “Hello Again” than it is “Louisiana Bayou.” And the runners up? “Out of my hands” and “Steady As We Go” -- the two songs that are almost exclusively Dave and his piano throughout. The point I’m making is simple: Stand Up is not a good Dave Matthews BAND album, and it frightens me more than you know that people think it is.

So now I guess you think a well-written post gives you the ability to place words in our mouths? Louisiana Bayou is my favorite song on the album by far, not Hello Again. Your "promise" is absolute bullshit. It's an opinion and please address it as such. This is the BAND, since they were the ones who wrote the entire album. Everyday was not a Dave Matthews BAND album. Stand Up clearly is by the way it was created.

[goochylittlepig]

ODH drives me crazy....I cant stand the begnining...ahh
heh, how bout Hunger? im not kidding, first thing i do when i get the CD is editting out the intro (and outro), and putting in on my ipod with the rest of the tracks.

[dobyblue]

So now I guess you think a well-written post gives you the ability to place words in our mouths? Louisiana Bayou is my favorite song on the album by far, not Hello Again. Your "promise" is absolute bullshit. It's an opinion and please address it as such. This is the BAND, since they were the ones who wrote the entire album. Everyday was not a Dave Matthews BAND album. Stand Up clearly is by the way it was created.
I completely agree. +1 piece of flare :)

[MistreatedLewis]

heh, how bout Hunger? im not kidding, first thing i do when i get the CD is editting out the intro (and outro), and putting in on my ipod with the rest of the tracks.


I like the intro! It sounds like Beatles harmonies!

[goochylittlepig]

god damnit.. wtf is wrong with you people! who brings politics into a music discussion.. how does anyone's musical opinion relate to who they voted for, or even if they voted at all! there is no place for your comment in this discussion. so politely, please do yourself a favor, and get fucked.
well, mr tolerant, i think it matters a lot. i wouldnt listen to a band like dmb or radiohead (or propagandhi) that are all pacifist, eco-friendly, anti-establishment, left-wing in their songs and in person if i was a hardcore republican. just like i wouldnt listen to country music cuz im not some stupid hick

[goochylittlepig]

But hey, if you want to take a stab at me for expressing an honest opinion on a forum, then it doesn't seem to me as I am the one that needs to grow up.

doesnt change what you sound like :shrug

[lrhudson]

just like i wouldnt listen to country music cuz im not some stupid hick

I, as some stupid hick, protest that there comment.

[MistreatedLewis]

well, mr tolerant, i think it matters a lot. i wouldnt listen to a band like dmb or radiohead (or propagandhi) that are all pacifist, eco-friendly, anti-establishment, left-wing in their songs and in person if i was a hardcore republican. just like i wouldnt listen to country music cuz im not some stupid hick


That's hilarious.

[goochylittlepig]

I like the intro! It sounds like Beatles harmonies!
lol. ill try to keep that in mind, cuz it's in the middle of the song too, and im not chopping up a song. but im sorry, i've actually started skipping that already. maybe it'll sound better on the clean version...um, album version, i guess that might be the "dirty" version actually..

[MistreatedLewis]

lol. ill try to keep that in mind, cuz it's in the middle of the song too, and im not chopping up a song. but im sorry, i've actually started skipping that already. maybe it'll sound better on the clean version...um, album version, i guess that might be the "dirty" version actually..


the version where Dave says the word fuck a lot.

[goochylittlepig]

I wasnt talking Beatles stuff, I meant his solo stuff used to be much better, but in the 80's he started writing bad music with the exception of Tug of War. If message boards were around back then, I would go bitch there when he started putting out bad albums. I mean think about it, if a band you really like starts writing music that you feel is uninspired or bad, wouldn't you be a little upset?
yeah, i was upset when they put out everyday, but i went to the shows, enjoyed some of the album songs more, and continued liking the band. i got rewarded with 4 years of fun. when i see people like "im not buying this, im done with dmb, im not going to any more concerts either cuz theyre gonna play this stuff" it just makes me roll my eyes. :rolleyes
non dmb fans would listen to this and be like "yeah, it's dmb, their stuff all sounds the same" and people here act like they just released a rammstein album

[MistreatedLewis]

yeah, i was upset when they put out everyday, but i went to the shows, enjoyed some of the album songs more, and continued liking the band. i got rewarded with 4 years of fun. when i see people like "im not buying this, im done with dmb, im not going to any more concerts either cuz theyre gonna play this stuff" it just makes me roll my eyes. :rolleyes
non dmb fans would listen to this and be like "yeah, it's dmb, their stuff all sounds the same" and people here act like they just released a rammstein album


This is a good post. Some of my favorite DMB shows have come in the last few years. 12.13.00, 5.29.02, and 8.25.03. DMB is still a fantastic band, whether you like the new albums or not.

[goochylittlepig]

No HTTT is not better than those albums, but I do give Radiohead a lot of credit for sticking with the direction they've been going and not releasing OK Computer II like their fans want them to (no electronic sounds).

Gee... no electronic sounds... sounds like these boards!
for my 500th post in a row.... i started listening to rh like the week before kid a came out, but didnt listen to it for like 3 months. i liked their old stuff, but i dont see ok computer as drastically different than the bends. i see pablo honey and their on a friday stuff as like this weird 80s band music, then their normal phase, then their electronic stage. i like each segment of that, and hail to the thief combined a lot of elements from their other albums, and i love it. i see dmb as doing that with this album. you just gotta listen to it with an open mind, and not be like "wow, a rap album, this sucks."

[gravedigger13]

I haven't listened to any of the album. With that being said, I think there are more than a few fans who won't admit the album sucks, even if they think it does.

[MistreatedLewis]

I haven't listened to any of the album. With that being said, I think there are more than a few fans who won't admit the album sucks, even if they think it does.

Maybe you are right, but I think there are probably people here who like Everyday and pretend not to as well.

[goochylittlepig]

[QUOTE=TinuschAlso, I don't think Batson is the right guy for DMB. I'm sure they feel very relaxed and liberated by exploring such different territory, and I'm sure Batson is proud to have had his influence over such a huge band, but I just don't think it was the right recipe for success for DMB. For someone like Eminem, Batson's influence may open up new doors, but for DMB, I think it kind of stifled them.[/QUOTE]
i agree with you on that, and if they made him their fulltime producer after this, id be very shocked. but i dont think he stifled them at all. they came to him, he worked for them, and he was in awe of their ability and success. if anything, i think he acted like most of us would in the studio with them. you bring in dave, and he's like play some stuff... are you gonna be like "nah, dave, thats kinda crappy?" hell no, you're gonna be like, wow...thats dave, he made a new song in front of me, thats awesome, i love it....and i think mark did that. maybe its cuz it was his first time working with a band that had their own musical talent, who knows. i do get the feeling tho that he wasnt able to say "no thats not that good" for some of their stuff. i mean, body's plucking everywhere, the vocals in old dirt hill, etc. i dont think lillywhite or even harris would've let stuff like that go, but i also dont think you can blame mark when the band put the stuff out.

[goochylittlepig]

One of the major arguments to support the Stand Up songs is that the band will jam them out in a live setting, and that these tunes will magically evolve to meet and exceed any and all of our expectations. Now this is only speculation based on the 2001 tour, but let's look at how the last excessively (?) produced album, Everyday, turned out on the tour. All of the everyday songs, save the title track, Angel, and WYA, clocked in around 4 minutes live
everyday was shallow and put together without the band. this album was put together by incorporating every member's parts into songs. this album has real instrumentation, not just fills. even mark said these songs are like a skeleton waiting to be fleshed out live. these arent songs dmb spent 5+ years perfecting live and then recording. it's brand new stuff. what if they wrote all these new songs, and then started playing 2 or 3 every tour for the next few years? everyone'd be ecstatic, except if you knew they wrote 25 songs and didnt release any of them.

[goochylittlepig]

the version where Dave says the word fuck a lot.
exactly. i didnt mean i was skipping the song already, btw, just those first 35 seconds or so. i love the song

[The Lado]

I think the problem here is too many people think these songs wont do anything live. Not everysong will have jams live and not every song should. What You Are, So Right, and Everyday have turned into 7 plus minutes. So I am sure at least 3 or 4 will turn into 7 minutes from Stand Up. Bayou has been 7+ already. I think alot of fans know what the band plays live is alot better then what they make in the studio, 7+ or 4 minutes. You can hate this album if you really want, but give it a chance at least.

[Bluedaze21]

The band is evolving, and as much as I (along with the rest of the band barring Dave, apparently) thought Everyday a freak occurrence

If I remember correctly (not able to produce a link or quote as this is an 'off the cuff' post) the band was very enthused about Everyday prior to its release; and sang a different tune afterwards due to it's dereliction from their fan base. This comment of course is to not strike up an argument, simply stated as some of the earlier comment in the post- is directed to contribute towards the editing and improving of information.

Anyways- despite whether or not you like this album. I think it's important to keep it (studio efforts) separate from the element of DMB that comprises their live performances. While I know little to nothing of the sound of this new album, as I haven't listened to it yet (waiting for official release), I would imagine a band more influenced toward the likes of contemporaries such as Blues Traveler, Phish (RIP), Trey Anastasio Band, etc. etc.- a studio album has never been an accurate representation of neither complete talent nor potential sound in a live setting. Not that it couldn't, but I think bands such as these, inclusive to DMB, try to emphasize the studio and live elements as separate entities.

So I urge people to consider, simply as food for thought, that regardless of your own individual interpretation of the album (some people lose sight of that sometimes), that a grassroots evolved band still has the capacity to impress us spoiled ants outside of the studio with expanded or different content (and the absent summer '04 tracks, albeit allegedly left off due to the overall 'sound' of the album', can certainly attest to such a thought)

[CADMBFan]

This is what happens when Tim's not there.


Seriously though...I'm rather bummed at the moment...I remember when