Negativity Disgusts me on here

[BOTRNewmusic]

Everyone, Please stop bashing this album with the reasoning you have all given about it not being as good as UTTAD/cRASH/BTCS etc...

I started seeing DMB in 1995 and have stuck with them through all the highs (and lows) and I really appreciate this album. Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

You have to view "Stand Up" as the album that could have really be looked at as saving this band. This album should be more for the band than the fans. It is not right to bash this album and not fair to the band. This album will have at least 6 or 7 songs that will blow us all away live. The band after BTCS in 1998 went into a major studio dilemma. They needed to scrap their first album (Lillywhite) and then put out "Everyday" which personally i loved but everyone seemed to hate. Then "busted stuff" came out which was to me, the low point in DMB's career. I could only imagine how nervous the band was going in to the studio this time. They went in and made an album, easily and they all love it. A huge weight was lifted off their shoulders with this album.

Those of you that don't like this album, maybe are failing to stick with the evolution of this band. Maybe its just not for you. Go find a new band and stop posting negative reviews, b/c quite frankly the negative reviews I saw for "Phish" is arguably what broke the band up over time.

We live in an internet age where everyone is more critical than the next. There is no need to fill this board with negativity towards this album. If you dont like it, you dont like it.

This album is better than 99% of the shit getting released today. WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT A UTTAD/BTCS/CRASH BUT THATS LIFE. Appreciate that these guys are still making great music and realize it is not 1998 anymore and the band has been through alot since then. I have been around for 10 years and I am disgusted at the negativity expressed on this board, as if the band owes you another landmark album or else...

I just wish people could appreciate and not compare, b/c if you dont compare this album to any of their previous albums, its pretty darn good.

[Orpheus]

I started seeing DMB in 1995 and have stuck with them through all the highs (and lows) and I really appreciate this album. Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

:thumbsup I think that's the crux of this matter: so many of us were teenagers who caught onto this band when both they & we were just really getting into the wider world. It was fresh, we were fresh, and it made a permanent impression on us. Nothing the band does from here on out is ever going to have that kind of life-changing mental and emotional impact on us, because we've already *had* that experience with them.

You gotta move on and learn to appreciate them in a new context.

[Npys3]

fuck off. if i want to bash the album i will. evolution is no excuse for bad music.

[BOTRNewmusic]

>evolution is no excuse for bad music.<

if you really think this is "bad music" then maybe music isnt for you.
go find a new band. i hear good charlotte is putting out good music these days,.

[BOTRNewmusic]

nice orpheus. at lease someone understands what i am saying.

[Npys3]

>evolution is no excuse for bad music.<

if you really think this is "bad music" then maybe music isnt for you.
go find a new band. i hear good charlotte is putting out good music these days,.
why should i have to find a new band? just because i dont like this one album? what does good charlotte have to do with anything?

[Orpheus]

nice orpheus. at lease someone understands what i am saying.

No problem. You're going to take a lot of shite for this thread, heads-up. ;)

Why do we all seek to recreate the past? Is it perhaps an attempt to feel a sense of immortality?

[JonDMB]

If you don't like the negative reviews, don't read them.

There is nothing special musically or lyrically about this album. Yeah, there may never be another BTCS/Crash/UTTAD, but I hope to God there's another album where the band returns to their roots and previous sound. Yeah maybe this album was good for the band's souls, but not for my ears. Needless to say I won't be wearing this album out in my CD player.

[TurboPGT]

fuck off. if i want to bash the album i will. evolution is no excuse for bad music.

No you won't. This site isn't for bashing, its for discussion whether that be for or against. You want to bash, go do it with yourself in the corner because NOBODY CARES.


Negativity is useless and doesn't belong here.

[onemoredrink41]

The lyrics are just soo bad, I usually like music I can somehow relate to, well this stuff, I really can't.

[domi0036]

fuck off. if i want to bash the album i will. evolution is no excuse for bad music.

agreed. Everything's not fucking bunnys and duckies, it's a fucking message board. I'm happy you've been around since 95, what's your point? I've been around since 95 as well, I've had the great opportunity to discover many great bands within that time because of my exposure to DMB, that has given me the ability to appreciate great music. These lyrics are terrible. Just because the new album is different then where DMB's roots have come from, doesn't equate to evolution. You can try to justify this album by calling it evolution, but it's not. How does simple, repetive lyrics, no chord progression and synthesized percussion equal evolution? Maybe for some shitty bands it might be, but for DMB it's a regression.

But,to each thier own, i guess.

By the way, Trey stated many times that Phish called it quits because people stopped coming for the music and only came to shows because it was the "cool" thing to do. Kinda sounds like DMB 2002 and beyond, huh?

[Orpheus]

The lyrics are just soo bad.

I read them, and I can't wait to hear them sung. I wonder how many people who are bashing the lyrics are on the far Right....

:monkey

[BOTRNewmusic]

im just saying that you dont need to like all 14 songs to love this album. there are a few songs i could do without, but i look at the 7 or 8 songs i love and that is why i like this album.

[JonDMB]

I read them, and I can't wait to hear them sung. I wonder how many people who are bashing the lyrics are on the far Right....

:monkey
:lol :lol

You don't have to be on the "far right" to bash lyrics like these:

I walk halfway around the world
just to sit down by your side
I would do most anything girl to be the apple of your eye

but troubles they may come and go
but good times they're gold
and if the road gets rocky girl
just steady as we go


Seriously those sound like lyrics I would write, and I suck at writing.

[cruscott35]

No you won't. This site isn't for bashing, its for discussion whether that be for or against. You want to bash, go do it with yourself in the corner because NOBODY CARES.


Negativity is useless and doesn't belong here.

First, bashing is a form of discussion. Secondly, who the fuck are you to tell him that he won't be 'bashing th band' here??? Last I checked, you aren't anyone important. Like I've said a million times, just because you don't like soemthing that your favorite band does, doesn't make you less of a fan. But seriously, some of you all need to get the collective DMB dick out of your mouth.
Scotty

[Npys3]

First, bashing is a form of discussion. Secondly, who the fuck are you to tell him that he won't be 'bashing th band' here??? Last I checked, you aren't anyone important. Like I've said a million times, just because you don't like soemthing that your favorite band does, doesn't make you less of a fan. But seriously, some of you all need to get the collective DMB dick out of your mouth.
Scotty
i couldnt have said it better.

[domi0036]

First, bashing is a form of discussion. Secondly, who the fuck are you to tell him that he won't be 'bashing th band' here??? Last I checked, you aren't anyone important. Like I've said a million times, just because you don't like soemthing that your favorite band does, doesn't make you less of a fan. But seriously, some of you all need to get the collective DMB dick out of your mouth.
Scotty

exactly

[2StepintoCrash]

Like I've said before, if you came into this expecting UTTAD, Crash or BTCS you WILL be disappointed. This is very fresh and they wanted it to be this way and be different. Let's appreciate it for being what it is....a new DMB album that is very good and fun! Without the first three albums, people would be loving this album across the board, but since everyone wants to compare it to the "big three" they are bashing it. It is a very good album and by the end of the Summer I will almost guarantee that the majority of the people here will be loving it and praising it like they did with BTCS.

[Npys3]

Like I've said before, if you came into this expecting UTTAD, Crash or BTCS you WILL be disappointed. This is very fresh and they wanted it to be this way and be different. Let's appreciate it for being what it is....a new DMB album that is very good and fun! Without the first three albums, people would be loving this album across the board, but since everyone wants to compare it to the "big three" they are bashing it. It is a very good album and by the end of the Summer I will almost guarantee that the majority of the people here will be loving it and praising it like they did with BTCS.
without the first three albums i probably wouldnt be a fan and wouldnt be typing this right now

[Orpheus]

:lol :lol

You don't have to be on the "far right" to bash lyrics like these:

I walk halfway around the world
just to sit down by your side
I would do most anything girl to be the apple of your eye

but troubles they may come and go
but good times they're gold
and if the road gets rocky girl
just steady as we go


Oh, I see now... if those are "bad" lyrics, we live in different worlds.

But that's music. Utterly subjective.

[reds24]

If someone doesn't like the album, they should be able to express their opinion about it just like those who praise it. Why do you have a problem with people bashing the album? It's an opinion. Have you never complained about a song or album by anyone in the past?

[2StepintoCrash]

The first three albums did in fact win many fans over and got them accustomed to that sound. But, if they kept releasing albums like UTTAD and Crash people would start complaining like they do about set lists, that they are too repetitive. Change is good and let's face it, they want to evolve and try new things and this is it. It started with Everyday and has progressed to Stand Up. It is a beautiful album and give it a chance.

[Npys3]

The first three albums did in fact win many fans over and got them accustomed to that sound. But, if they kept releasing albums like UTTAD and Crash people would start complaining like they do about set lists, that they are too repetitive. Change is good and let's face it, they want to evolve and try new things and this is it. It started with Everyday and has progressed to Stand Up. It is a beautiful album and give it a chance.
i feel that in the first three albums the band evolved and still kept it interesting and true to their style. this album isnt too good lyrically and is a complete departure from the style that i fell in love with. i hope nobody is going to tell me to leave the forum for expressing MY OWN OPINION.

[brydro]

:lol :lol

You don't have to be on the "far right" to bash lyrics like these:

I walk halfway around the world
just to sit down by your side
I would do most anything girl to be the apple of your eye

but troubles they may come and go
but good times they're gold
and if the road gets rocky girl
just steady as we go


Seriously those sound like lyrics I would write, and I suck at writing.

Now I do write, and I like that song. Please since everyone is so much of a critic, Write a song. Seriously, I want all the people bashing the lyrics to write some right here on the board....If you could write lyrics like that, do it..lets see it. I personally think some songs are not that good lyrically but as a whole steady as we go is pretty good.

[EatSleepJeep]

They could have done better. We all know that. Hello Again could have been better. Joyride, Crazy-Easy, GGT, and Sugar Will all could have been on the album. Had they made an album with those songs, and more songs along the same vein. Stand Up would have been better than BTCS, Crash, etc. But they didn't. And it's our right to say so. My opinion disgusts you? Good.

[JonDMB]

Now I do write, and I like that song. Please since everyone is so much of a critic, Write a song. Seriously, I want all the people bashing the lyrics to write some right here on the board....If you could write lyrics like that, do it..lets see it. I personally think some songs are not that good lyrically but as a whole steady as we go is pretty good.
They are cheesy as hell, man.

[Npys3]

Now I do write, and I like that song. Please since everyone is so much of a critic, Write a song. Seriously, I want all the people bashing the lyrics to write some right here on the board....If you could write lyrics like that, do it..lets see it.
Why are we not allowed to express a negative opinion about the band? Everyone has their own talents and not everyone choose to write songs. I shouldnt have to make music in order to listen and discuss music.

[thing4377]

Now I do write, and I like that song. Please since everyone is so much of a critic, Write a song. Seriously, I want all the people bashing the lyrics to write some right here on the board....If you could write lyrics like that, do it..lets see it. I personally think some songs are not that good lyrically but as a whole steady as we go is pretty good.

Great idea! :thumbsup
I personally love the album. I was fortunate enough to hear AB, LB, and SU live already at NOLA and to be honest, they fuckin rocked! I don't have a problem with people stating their opinion on the album, wether it be a positive or negative one, but I sure would like to see the ones that claim all of the lyrics suck, step up and write some better. ;)

[ugahairydawgs]

My main beef with the thing is the faux drums that were inexplicably used. That and the 2 minutes of random gunfire in the intro to American Baby.

[thing4377]

Here is something positive for everyone.... I freaking love this message board!! :D

[JimiJam78]

this is a message board where people come to discuss, criticize, praise, bash, give opinions...etc. every person hears music differently and every person is a critic. if the negativity on the board bothers you so much don't read it or stay away. or don't take it so seriously. there is a world beyond the computer screen, turn it off. if YOU like stand up and are enjoying the album thats ALL that matters. pesonally, i love the album...but it doesn't bother me that some don't, and that some think it sucks hot monkey nuts. thats there opinion, feel free to discuss and argue the points but don't come on here pleading with people not to be negative.

[JonDMB]

Here's a song that's not exactly about the same thing, but comparable to Steady As We Go. And this song has good lyrics, that aren't cheesed out and instead are beautiful:

Spring sweet rhythm dance in my head
Slip into my lover's hands
Kiss me oh won't you kiss me now
And sleep I would inside your mouth

Don't be us too shy
Knowing it's no big surprise
That I will wait for you
I will wait for no one but you

Look please lover lay down
Spend this time with me
Together share this smile
Lover lay down

Walk with me, walk with you
Hold my hand your hands
So much we have dreamed
And you were so much younger
Hard to explain that we are stronger

A million reasons life to deny
Let's toss them away
See you and me we
Lay down look see
She and he
By my lover's side
Together share this smile
Each other's tears to cry
Together share this smile
Lover lay down

Oh please
Look please lover lay down
Oh please lover lay down
And you weep
Lover lay down
Cause it's over
Lover lay down
Say lover, say lover, say lover, say lover, say lover
Could I love you
Could you love me (4x)
Darling it's
All the same (4x)
'Til we dance away (4x)
Chasing me all around
Leading me all around
Leading me all around in circles (2x)
Say...

Remember that song?

[Alandor]

Sounds like a lot of people will be trading in their tickets for the concerts this year cos these songs aren't going away are they! They are going to swamp at least half of the setlist is my guess. So if you dont like the sound or the direction of the band its gonna be pretty shitty for you.

My experience of swallowing up 15 years of DMBs music in this last year is that studio albums sound pretty tame but by god when it gets going in the live concerts what a difference!

All change is good, even if you think this album stinks. At least as Orpheus says we have a band still. They live to take their groove in whatever direction they want. At least they have direction. Cut them some slack. If you are having difficulties its possibly cos you are frightened of change. Change is unsettling. You have to start believing that this band will take this stuff on tour and develop it beyond what it is now and utterly transform it.

[Orpheus]

No problem. You're going to take a lot of shite for this thread, heads-up. ;)

Why do we all seek to recreate the past? Is it perhaps an attempt to feel a sense of immortality?

Someone gave me a negative rep point for this and called it "Redudant"...?

That makes no sense. I think someone was just feeling pissy. :rolleyes

[Alandor]

That sucks doesn't it. I think your points were well made so Im gonna give you a positive rep point. What a jerk off!!



Someone gave me a negative rep point for this and called it "Redudant"...?

That makes no sense. I think someone was just feeling pissy. :rolleyes

[hailtopitt78]

I walk halfway around the world
just to sit down by your side
I would do most anything girl to be the apple of your eye

but troubles they may come and go
but good times they're gold
and if the road gets rocky girl
just steady as we go
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How is this lyrically a big leap from Best of What's Around? Or do you despise UTTAD as well? Breaking news, most of Dave Matthew's lyrics are either intentionally vague regarding world topics or about love.

[ishuman]

I agree with the original post. Some people come across like they are on the panel with Simon & Co. in laying criticism on the DMB. Those who say that the lyrics "suck ass" or "are horrible" are suffering from an inflated perception of their "great" taste in music. Like they are better lyric writers or something. Or like they are the god of lyric writing. Maybe the lyrics aren't better than other lyrics from DMB's other albums; that's fine if you feel that way, but the lyrics are still good. They are penned and put to music by the DMB, which is, in my opinion the best rock band going today. Any even if you don't think they are the best band going today, the lyrics are to be respected simply because they come from the DMB. The band has earned that respect. We can still express our opinions about what lyrics are better, but to simply say that they "suck ass" is completely un-called for because it shows a lack of respect to the DMB and all that they have accomplished and all that they may have done for us personally.

[Alandor]

Big assumption here. Whose lyrics are these? Has somebody told you? I got the feeling that the band has been swapping every damn thing about the creative process. Dave on piano, Stefan playing some lead guitar. I may be way off line here.

Yes this album is starting to sound happy. Shit we cant have that. If you want dark from this man again maybe you need to rob him of his well earned riches. Pray for his wife to ditch him, give him a big tragic episode perhaps. Inject him with juvenile hormones cause one thing he doesn't have in common with the majority of people on this board is teenage status. So he's upbeat, so what!


I walk halfway around the world
just to sit down by your side
I would do most anything girl to be the apple of your eye

but troubles they may come and go
but good times they're gold
and if the road gets rocky girl
just steady as we go
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How is this lyrically a big leap from Best of What's Around? Or do you despise UTTAD as well? Breaking news, most of Dave Matthew's lyrics are either intentionally vague regarding world topics or about love.

[Rippy]

For those of you saying this is bad music, youre wrong. There is no such thing as "bad" music. Music taste is all opinion and there is no such thing as a right opinion. But, in my OPINION, this is mediocre music at best for DMB.

[PrettyPenelope]

I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course. What I don't think is fair is the way the negative comments are worded. They are just so negative (fuck off, this is shit, blah blah) and that's not cool. Maybe if people expressed their opinions in more mature ways, then they wouldn't be taken so badly.

I think we all have to accept that DMB has evolved and that we might never see another BTCS. Whether you choose to like the new stuff or not, that's your decision and you can express your opinion. Just don't be a dick about it to others. This entire thread seems to be more of an attack on the original poster than a discussion.

Just my 2 cents. :)

[davehead34]

I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course. What I don't think is fair is the way the negative comments are worded. They are just so negative (fuck off, this is shit, blah blah) and that's not cool. Maybe if people expressed their opinions in more mature ways, then they wouldn't be taken so badly.

I think we all have to accept that DMB has evolved and that we might never see another BTCS. Whether you choose to like the new stuff or not, that's your decision and you can express your opinion. Just don't be a dick about it to others. This entire thread seems to be more of an attack on the original poster than a discussion.

Just my 2 cents. :)

:thumbsup Right on, Laura.

BTW, our seats for LA will be announced next series! :multi

[brydro]

Why are we not allowed to express a negative opinion about the band? Everyone has their own talents and not everyone choose to write songs. I shouldnt have to make music in order to listen and discuss music.

I could care less about people being negative, but someone made a comment that they could write those lyrics, so I asked them to. Learn to read. Someone said hey could write lyrics like that, so all I did was ask them to.

[PrettyPenelope]

BTW, our seats for LA will be announced next series! :multi Kick ass!

[Trippin4136]

Everyone, Please stop bashing this album with the reasoning you have all given about it not being as good as UTTAD/cRASH/BTCS etc...



I just wish people could appreciate and not compare, b/c if you dont compare this album to any of their previous albums, its pretty darn good.


Does negativity towards a band's work suprise you all that much. Especially after all that time you spend cruising the PT boards ;)

[paulsimon36]

anyone else notice the correlation between the bashers and the amount of times they unnecessarily use 'fuck'? nothing against the word, but i found it funny...as if by using fuck, we will respect their whining and go 'oo he's serious now'....

[Alandor]

True and what was it I was told a long time ago. People use fuck when they have no other word to express their feelings which either shows that these folks are very angry or sadly lacking in any grasp of the language!:)



anyone else notice the correlation between the bashers and the amount of times they unnecessarily use 'fuck'? nothing against the word, but i found it funny...as if by using fuck, we will respect their whining and go 'oo he's serious now'....

[DreamerX]

I said it on Nancies, and I'll say it here. Some DMB "fans" could produce the album and they would still complain about it once they heard it.

[TurboPGT]

First, bashing is a form of discussion. Secondly, who the fuck are you to tell him that he won't be 'bashing th band' here??? Last I checked, you aren't anyone important. Like I've said a million times, just because you don't like soemthing that your favorite band does, doesn't make you less of a fan. But seriously, some of you all need to get the collective DMB dick out of your mouth.
Scotty


First, basing is not a form of discussion, its a form of being asshole. Who do think wants to listen to it? Absolutely no one.

There are ways to criticize things the way an adult is supposed to, which i gather you most likely are not.

and this....

But seriously, some of you all need to get the collective DMB dick out of your mouth.
Scotty

...is you criticizing people for liking the album.

so i ask, who the fuck are you to make that call?

[onemoredrink41]

um sorry but you cant compare stready as we go to lover lay down haha.

[dmbosw41]

people can say that the lyrics suck but I think for the first time LB was played at Jazz Fest, it was pretty darn awesome. It actually sounded groovin and jamband like with a slight hip hop feel. The Everyday songs except for the crazy angel with the ladies...NONE of them have had a jam like Boyd, Butch and Roi did on LB that first night. So right there, you have to be at least a little optimistic about this 05 tour. If you dont like the album who cares...we are used to it since 2000..everyone bitching. IMO, DMB fans are way too analyzing about anything and everything this band does. Whether is a shitty setlist, too repetitive, lovely ladies, not having Tim R. on tour, where is bela fleck...yada yada ya.....shit we are lucky to have this band tour every dang year and allow taping at the shows so we can have every damn show within 48 hours. If you dont like the studio Stand Up, then fine just wait till the songs are played live cause all I know is they are gonna be better than fricken a boring WTWE, Space Between and fool to think. And even those songs are NOT TERRIBLE live.

I too have not decided if I really love this album. So far I really like 5 songs which is more than most bands that put out an album with 1 radio hit. And that was after a few listens on the low quality stream. This bitching will continue until we have another tour like 98 where all the shows are awesome, Tim R. comes out to play and we have a winter 98. Lets hope this happens so EVERYONE will be happy and even the fans that have long forgotten about this band suddenly show up with their hippy shirts and sandles saying HAHA we are back now that dmb has finally had a respectable tour.

[greyst1crash]

I Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

You have to view "Stand Up" as the album that could have really be looked at as saving this band. This album should be more for the band than the fans. It is not right to bash this album and not fair to the band. This album will have at least 6 or 7 songs that will blow us all away live. The band after BTCS in 1998 went into a major studio dilemma. They needed to scrap their first album (Lillywhite) and then put out "Everyday" which personally i loved but everyone seemed to hate. Then "busted stuff" came out which was to me, the low point in DMB's career. I could only imagine how nervous the band was going in to the studio this time. They went in and made an album, easily and they all love it. A huge weight was lifted off their shoulders with this album.



http://antsmarching.org/forum/images/smilies/upyours.gif great post. while i haven't been a offical member of these boards for long, i fell in love with the dmb back in my young teenage years, around the release of btcs. a friend gave me a copy of crash and the rest is now history. i totally agree that people cannot be expecting another UTTAD/CRASH/BTCS. thats done and in the past. while some of my favorite tunes are from those years, i've accepted that the band needs to progress as a complete group. i may never connect emotionally with their newer songs in the way i did with their older stuff. their older tunes (#41, BOWA, TS, TB, GS, PIG, etc) were the perfect songs for cetain events in my life. but thats history. everyone just needs to move on. im with you, while ED is certainly not my favorite overall, there are some great songs on it, and i'm glad we have it. if SU is the album that saves this band as one, cohesive group, and adds a few more years to their career, then i'm all for it. anyway, i've rambled far to long. just wanted to thank you for the quality post. hope to see you all this summer when these songs explode. enjoy Stand Up and listen to it loud.

[Snapple2788]

I despise how so many people end their totally negative posts with the phrase
"To each their own" like it validates their post or somthing. If you truley believed in this phrase you wouldnt have to write a whole paragraph bashing someone elses views, you could just read their post and not have to rebuttle

[bartendergd]

That and the 2 minutes of random gunfire in the intro to American Baby.

Do you get the song? :BANG

[PrettyPenelope]

I despise how so many people end their totally negative posts with the phrase
"To each their own" like it validates their post or somthing. If you truley believed in this phrase you wouldnt have to write a whole paragraph bashing someone elses views, you could just read their post and not have to rebuttle:thumbsup very true.

[3YNK4]

Who really listens to albums anymore anyway? I'll wait until the end of the summer before I make a true judgement.

[Dodo41]

>evolution is no excuse for bad music.<

if you really think this is "bad music" then maybe music isnt for you.
go find a new band. i hear good charlotte is putting out good music these days,.

suck one you ignorant bastard...just because they didnt like this album doesn't mean music "isn't for them." whatever the fuck that means...and then in your following post you kiss that guys ass just cause he agrees with you...don't post a thread and expect everyone to agree with your opinion and then act like a douche bag when they don't.

[wishyouwerehere]

Does anyone else think that the AB intro sounds like the beginnings (or maybe was) a song at one time...maybe I'm hearing wrong?? Either way, I really like it.

[bullox005]

No you won't. This site isn't for bashing, its for discussion whether that be for or against. You want to bash, go do it with yourself in the corner because NOBODY CARES.


Negativity is useless and doesn't belong here.

get over yourself.

if we all agreed on everything there would be no need for discussion/debate. it is his right and his duty to bash the album if he thinks it is trash (which it is). who are you to tell him what he can and cannot believe. trying to squelch somebody's voice because it is different from your own is ridiculous. i heard North Korea is looking for some recruits, maybe your communist censorship ideas would be helpfull there.

[il bacio dolce]

You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said.

Not everyone has the same taste in music so naturally some people will like this music while others won't.

Those that dislike the album or aren't crazy about it aren't "bad fans".

You capitalize random words in your thread titles. :lol

[JonDMB]

um sorry but you cant compare stready as we go to lover lay down haha.
Ah yes you can...because I just did.

[NeatFreakGeek]

Can someone name a band, ANY band, in the history of rock/pop music that has stay the same sonically over a ten year period? Come on. U2? No. R.E.M.? Nope. Beatles? Nope. Stones? Nope.

Change is how they stay fresh. I'm sure Dave cringes everytime he has to play "WWYS" or "Too Much" for the 10,000th time.

This is the album the band felt like they needed to make. It took guts to change up their sound, and it's obvious they like the results. They care too much about the music to release something that they didn't like.

Dave isn't the happy-go-lucky pajama-pants hippie he was in 1994. He's a dad, husband, and obviously has other interests besides music.

All this crap about the band "returning to their roots and previous sound" is BS. They aren't the same people they were. Those "roots" are no longer there. Get over it. Enjoy the new music.

I can't believe everyone is making these claims based off of a 64kbs stream. Sounds slightly better than a telephone.

[Wildmoose31]

Change is how they stay fresh. I'm sure Dave cringes everytime he has to play "WWYS" or "Too Much" for the 10,000th time.


I really dont think dave has a problem playing songs like that, if he did too much wouldnt have gotten the treatment it did in 04

[NeatFreakGeek]

"too much wouldnt have gotten the treatment it did in 04.."

I'll have to claim ignorance on that one. After a six or seven year streak, I didn't see a show last summer.

[jdmbellen]

the title of this thread 'Negativity Disgusts me on here ' is what disgusts me. it's a DMB message board, what the hell did you expect, it to be full of ONLY hundreds of happy Stand Up fans?

[bullox005]

Can someone name a band, ANY band, in the history of rock/pop music that has stay the same sonically over a ten year period? Come on. U2? No. R.E.M.? Nope. Beatles? Nope. Stones? Nope.

Change is how they stay fresh. I'm sure Dave cringes everytime he has to play "WWYS" or "Too Much" for the 10,000th time.

This is the album the band felt like they needed to make. It took guts to change up their sound, and it's obvious they like the results. They care too much about the music to release something that they didn't like.

Dave isn't the happy-go-lucky pajama-pants hippie he was in 1994. He's a dad, husband, and obviously has other interests besides music.

All this crap about the band "returning to their roots and previous sound" is BS. They aren't the same people they were. Those "roots" are no longer there. Get over it. Enjoy the new music.

I can't believe everyone is making these claims based off of a 64kbs stream. Sounds slightly better than a telephone.

note: im not trying to single you out, this is adressed to a lot of people.

im sick of hearing people defend the album claiming that it is great because it is new and different.

change isn't always good. just because this album is different doesn't necessarily make it good. this album is a step backwards for the band. sure, it is new and different, but neither one of those words necessarily correlates to good music.

[bullox005]

the title of this thread 'Negativity Disgusts me on here ' is what disgusts me. it's a DMB message board, what the hell did you expect, it to be full of ONLY hundreds of happy Stand Up fans?

well spoken...

if negativity disgusts you so much, it is probably becaue on some level, you acknowledge that this is not a good album. if you were so supremely confident that this album was great, you would simply ignore the negativity being hurled at it.

[ncdude2k3]

Unbelievable.

[titleist017]

screw the negativity!!! I am blown away after I was jamming the songs in my cd player cruising down the road!!! Seriously, I had high expectations and they by far exceeded them, by far. Great cd, great album, and LB kicks some serious ass.

[titleist017]

rep points for Neatfreak

[MistreatedLewis]

change isn't always good. just because this album is different doesn't necessarily make it good. this album is a step backwards for the band. sure, it is new and different, but neither one of those words necessarily correlates to good music.

Maybe it's a step backwards from the first three records, but I think it's a giant leap forward from Everyday and Boring Stuff.

[JonDMB]

Can someone name a band, ANY band, in the history of rock/pop music that has stay the same sonically over a ten year period? Come on. U2? No. R.E.M.? Nope. Beatles? Nope. Stones? Nope.

Change is how they stay fresh. I'm sure Dave cringes everytime he has to play "WWYS" or "Too Much" for the 10,000th time.

This is the album the band felt like they needed to make. It took guts to change up their sound, and it's obvious they like the results. They care too much about the music to release something that they didn't like.

Dave isn't the happy-go-lucky pajama-pants hippie he was in 1994. He's a dad, husband, and obviously has other interests besides music.

All this crap about the band "returning to their roots and previous sound" is BS. They aren't the same people they were. Those "roots" are no longer there. Get over it. Enjoy the new music.

I can't believe everyone is making these claims based off of a 64kbs stream. Sounds slightly better than a telephone.
I can name one...Pearl Jam. They sound basically the same as they did when they first came out, and they still rock. Like DMB, they have also grown up only the difference is they don't try to be something they're not.

DMB isn't a pop band or a rock band, they are a jam band. I promise you Dave doesn't cringe when he "has to play" Too Much for the millionth time. He doesn't "have to play" anything he doesn't want to. He plays whatever he wants man. He's not going to play some song that he's tired of, get real.

Your comment about returning to their roots and previous sound is just stupid. How in the fuck can you say that their roots are no longer there? If you forget about where you came from, how in the hell are you going to know where you're going? Like I said, that was just a stupid comment on your part.

64kbs or 128kbs you can still tell good music from bad. What did I miss? Some machine gun fire in the American Baby Intro? Give me a break. :thumbsdow

[davephan420]

Everyone, Please stop bashing this album with the reasoning you have all given about it not being as good as UTTAD/cRASH/BTCS etc...

I started seeing DMB in 1995 and have stuck with them through all the highs (and lows) and I really appreciate this album. Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

You have to view "Stand Up" as the album that could have really be looked at as saving this band. This album should be more for the band than the fans. It is not right to bash this album and not fair to the band. This album will have at least 6 or 7 songs that will blow us all away live. The band after BTCS in 1998 went into a major studio dilemma. They needed to scrap their first album (Lillywhite) and then put out "Everyday" which personally i loved but everyone seemed to hate. Then "busted stuff" came out which was to me, the low point in DMB's career. I could only imagine how nervous the band was going in to the studio this time. They went in and made an album, easily and they all love it. A huge weight was lifted off their shoulders with this album.

Those of you that don't like this album, maybe are failing to stick with the evolution of this band. Maybe its just not for you. Go find a new band and stop posting negative reviews, b/c quite frankly the negative reviews I saw for "Phish" is arguably what broke the band up over time.

We live in an internet age where everyone is more critical than the next. There is no need to fill this board with negativity towards this album. If you dont like it, you dont like it.

This album is better than 99% of the shit getting released today. WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT A UTTAD/BTCS/CRASH BUT THATS LIFE. Appreciate that these guys are still making great music and realize it is not 1998 anymore and the band has been through alot since then. I have been around for 10 years and I am disgusted at the negativity expressed on this board, as if the band owes you another landmark album or else...

I just wish people could appreciate and not compare, b/c if you dont compare this album to any of their previous albums, its pretty darn good.

sounds like you need a shoulder to cry on, these negative reviews are really getting to you. its ok, just go to antsmarching.org and start a completely pointless thread about how you dont want to hear negative things. oh wait... you did. whether you like it or not, people are going to express their opinions. and id have to disagree on your statement that this is better than 99% of the radio. i dont ever listen to the radio and would be willing to bet it sounds better than this.

[dmbosw41]

I will say that REM got really bad as they changed with every album. Stipes voice is just unbearable now.

[cruscott35]

Now I do write, and I like that song. Please since everyone is so much of a critic, Write a song. Seriously, I want all the people bashing the lyrics to write some right here on the board....If you could write lyrics like that, do it..lets see it. I personally think some songs are not that good lyrically but as a whole steady as we go is pretty good.

You know what, some people write music, some people play poker. If Dave ever catches me playing on TV, while he can see everyone's hole cards, chances are good, he may critique my play, but I assure you that I would take all his money from him. He can bitch about my poker playing, just like I can about his music writing. Doesn't mean I claim to do it better. This music is a product we buy, and we can, and I WILL continue to bitch about it.
Scotty

[trippingbilly12]

Is the title of this thread incredibly humorous/contradicting or is it just me?

[seekup34]

I don't know, haven't heard the album.

That being said, watching people renounce any incorporation they have with the band just flat out depresses me. Really just makes me sad.

[marco j]

I still find it amusing that people are so up in arms at all, both sides. I personally am back and forth. I don't compare the albums I just listen to what I hear, and when I hear synthesized drums or even worse, a drum loop! OH my god I want to bang my head against the wall. There simply is no need for it. Anyhow I still find the first half of the album to have a great flow up to "out of my hands". This song sticks out so much it isn't funny. This has to be bright center of this album. Otherwise YMDT and HFTGL simply suck the way they are produced. I'll grant they may sound great live but on this album they suck royally.

[Dancing Ants]

Everyone, Please stop bashing this album with the reasoning you have all given about it not being as good as UTTAD/cRASH/BTCS etc...

I started seeing DMB in 1995 and have stuck with them through all the highs (and lows) and I really appreciate this album. Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

You have to view "Stand Up" as the album that could have really be looked at as saving this band. This album should be more for the band than the fans. It is not right to bash this album and not fair to the band. This album will have at least 6 or 7 songs that will blow us all away live. The band after BTCS in 1998 went into a major studio dilemma. They needed to scrap their first album (Lillywhite) and then put out "Everyday" which personally i loved but everyone seemed to hate. Then "busted stuff" came out which was to me, the low point in DMB's career. I could only imagine how nervous the band was going in to the studio this time. They went in and made an album, easily and they all love it. A huge weight was lifted off their shoulders with this album.

Those of you that don't like this album, maybe are failing to stick with the evolution of this band. Maybe its just not for you. Go find a new band and stop posting negative reviews, b/c quite frankly the negative reviews I saw for "Phish" is arguably what broke the band up over time.

We live in an internet age where everyone is more critical than the next. There is no need to fill this board with negativity towards this album. If you dont like it, you dont like it.

This album is better than 99% of the shit getting released today. WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT A UTTAD/BTCS/CRASH BUT THATS LIFE. Appreciate that these guys are still making great music and realize it is not 1998 anymore and the band has been through alot since then. I have been around for 10 years and I am disgusted at the negativity expressed on this board, as if the band owes you another landmark album or else...

I just wish people could appreciate and not compare, b/c if you dont compare this album to any of their previous albums, its pretty darn good.


c'mon guys. mature up.

[alpine41]

Who really listens to albums anymore anyway? I'll wait until the end of the summer before I make a true judgement.

I like the album...and I still listen to some of the studio stuff once in a while...but you have a good point...I love the live music...and live recordings...I can't wait to see these new songs take shape live...they will sound completely different...the lyrics may not be as great as in the past, but the "music" has the potential to be great...dmb just has something about their live music that makes it that much better....imo....

[EatSleepJeep]

suck one you ignorant bastard...just because they didnt like this album doesn't mean music "isn't for them." whatever the fuck that means...and then in your following post you kiss that guys ass just cause he agrees with you...don't post a thread and expect everyone to agree with your opinion and then act like a douche bag when they don't.

Don't take any guff from these swine.

+rep.

[JonnyJoyRidin]

When this Band is all said and done some of you "critics" and so called musical "experts" will be wishing for them to put out musice no matter how shitty it sounds to you. Do us all a favor this summer and stay home and leave the tour to the real fans!

[Dancing Ants]

When this Band is all said and done some of you "critics" and so called musical "experts" will be wishing for them to put out musice no matter how shitty it sounds to you. Do us all a favor this summer and stay home and leave the tour to the real fans!

you, sir, are a prophet. *i bow to you*

[MRGreySt.YNK]

When this Band is all said and done some of you "critics" and so called musical "experts" will be wishing for them to put out musice no matter how shitty it sounds to you. Do us all a favor this summer and stay home and leave the tour to the real fans!

My favorite band already quit on me, who else can I see?

[Dancing Ants]

My favorite band already quit on me, who else can I see?

Why, my friend, you can always see Umphrey's McGee. Or you could see 70 Volt Parade! There are many choices!

[marco j]

When this Band is all said and done some of you "critics" and so called musical "experts" will be wishing for them to put out musice no matter how shitty it sounds to you. Do us all a favor this summer and stay home and leave the tour to the real fans!


I can't express to you how personally I feel this post ! :thumbsup

...we are greedy little pigs.


GOD I love dMb!!!

[MRGreySt.YNK]

Why, my friend, you can always see Umphrey's McGee. Or you could see 70 Volt Parade! There are many choices!

Big Summer Classic here I come. And will Zooma Tour also.

[HolyCow]

No you won't. This site isn't for bashing, its for discussion whether that be for or against. You want to bash, go do it with yourself in the corner because NOBODY CARES.


Negativity is useless and doesn't belong here.

I was going to read through this thread, but after I read this there is no point. This says it all. Everyone should read this 10 times before opening your mouth with all you DMB slandering. Opinions are one thing, nasty bashing is another. Keep is fair and clean. I mean the band is doing their best.

[davefan0789]

This album is so damn groovy. Like they said in an interview... it's like "music you play on the back porch." I can't wait until they jazz them up for the tour. Like it was said earlier, there are multiple songs that can be put into some sweet-ass jams for the tour. This IS definintley a turning point for the band. One in the right direction. They needed something like this to put them back in the spotlight. Hell, Am. Baby was #1 on AAA charts. That's awesome. Come on guys, just because they changed the sound a little bit, you can't drop the band you've loved forever. At least in my case. Can't wait for the summer, great album!

DMB - 6/1
Pointfest - 5/15
Black Crowes - later in the summer.

[sonofsuns34]

Loud Noises!@!@@#!$#!@@!#!!!!!!!

[Dancing Ants]

This album is so damn groovy. Like they said in an interview... it's like "music you play on the back porch." I can't wait until they jazz them up for the tour. Like it was said earlier, there are multiple songs that can be put into some sweet-ass jams for the tour. This IS definintley a turning point for the band. One in the right direction. They needed something like this to put them back in the spotlight. Hell, Am. Baby was #1 on AAA charts. That's awesome. Come on guys, just because they changed the sound a little bit, you can't drop the band you've loved forever. At least in my case. Can't wait for the summer, great album!

DMB - 6/1
Pointfest - 5/15
Black Crowes - later in the summer.

when did the back porch get an electric drum kit/drum machine? :confused

[davefan0789]

The music itself is groovy. I'm talking about the guitar work and the beats. They're straight forward beats, nothing too complicated like in the past. Carter said that he tried to keep the percussion quiet this album, and he did, and it sounds great. I wasn't talking about the production of the album, or things that were added after Dave wrote the music, I'm talking about the actual music itself.

[Kshathra]

Notes and thoughts---

1) I'm not a fan of Stand Up. I find about 3-4 songs to be pretty good, enough to "fit in" in with their better material without necessarily cracking into the realm of their best, 3-4 songs that are absolute garbage, and the rest that are just average and boring. Lots of tunes that don't really go anywhere. If these turn into "30-40 minute monster jams" as I saw someone hope for, it's gonna be really boring, because vamping on the same riff gets pretty old pretty fast, even with a good solo (which is a whole other can of worms...)

2) If not liking this album means I should go listen to Good Charlotte, Paris Hilton is going to enter a seminary.

3) I've said it before, I've said it again, I've said it a thousand times: CHANGE ISN'T ALWAYS GOOD. Evolution is always a good thing? Tell that to the dodo. Luckily, if you're DMB people aren't out to hunt you down and eat you. However, they are putting out music that's not as good as they used to, and they are DEvolving rather than evolving.

4) That's a key point. Unless I'm mistaken, I have not seen ONE PERSON, supporter or (naturally) detractor, say that Stand Up is as good as UTTAD, Crash, or BTCS. I want to point out that I'm not talking stylistically, I'm just talking QUALITY. But yeah not ONE has said that. That's big. As much as supporters harp on detractors for holding them to that standard, they are doing it just the same, they're just seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty. This results in idealistic, overinflated claims about how the album is so great because they had fun with it, how it's a change and direction and change is common, and how it's "fun to listen to." However, I have yet to see ANYone come out and say that its QUALITY compares with their old stuff. We KNOW that it's a change and direction, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be as GOOD.

And the simple fact that it is different shouldn't excuse it from being held to the standard that we KNOW DMB is capable of reaching. Instead, supporters always come up with cute, almost patronizing little praises of the album, "it's fun" and "the band likes it"--like something you'd say about an ugly puppy that the owner inexplicably loves anyway. I said it in another thread: I shouldn't HAVE to just sit back and "let go of my expectations," and feel content to listen to an album that "is pleasing to the ear". Elevator music is pleasing to the ear. Mary had a Little Lamb is pleasing to the ear. Music that's feel-good and pleasing to the ear is a dime a dozen. The Dave Matthews Band can compose music that is pleasing to the SOUL. If you have to resort to things like "It's good to bop your head to" in defending this album, that's pretty much the problem right there.

The truth is that it is the same glass, and both sides are seeing the same weak music two different ways. We all know this isn't the bands best work, we're just putting two different spins on it.

5) I'm a not-quite-flaming liberal. The lyrics are still really bad.

6) However, the lyrics to Joy Ride were pretty damn good. They were pretty left-leaning, but even aside from that, very unique and cutting.

7) Whether or not a listener can write lyrics as good as those on these albums is 100% immaterial (although I think I could and that I already have). If we judged things we liked by our own talent, then really, anyone who doesn't know how to put together a major chord should be prevented from disliking ANY music, and anybody who can't work a camera would have to like every movie ever made.

[Dodo41]

Don't take any guff from these swine.

+rep.

haha right on..

[Dancing Ants]

http://www.san-diego.med.va.gov/new/images/StandDown.jpg

[MistreatedLewis]

Notes and thoughts---



4) That's a key point. Unless I'm mistaken, I have not seen ONE PERSON, supporter or (naturally) detractor, say that Stand Up is as good as UTTAD, Crash, or BTCS. I want to point out that I'm not talking stylistically, I'm just talking QUALITY. But yeah not ONE has said that. That's big. As much as supporters harp on detractors for holding them to that standard, they are doing it just the same, they're just seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty. This results in idealistic, overinflated claims about how the album is so great because they had fun with it, how it's a change and direction and change is common, and how it's "fun to listen to." However, I have yet to see ANYone come out and say that its QUALITY compares with their old stuff. We KNOW that it's a change and direction, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be as GOOD.


I think this is a pretty good post. I happen to like the album, but that was because I was not expecting anything to be nearly as good as the first three albums. And this one isn't, but since that's what I expected I'm not disappointed. I will never rank this one where I rank those. But I am glad to have 14 new songs, most of which I do like, from my favorite band, and I'd rather have 14 pretty good songs rather than 0 songs even though it's disappointing that they will probably never write another Two Step or #41. But I'm ok with that. I'm just glad they didn't put out another album of slow and boring tunes like Busted Stuff.

[ncdude2k3]

The grass is ALWAYS greener on the otherside. Especially on a Dave Matthews Band messageboard.

[nonewdirections]

The grass is ALWAYS greener on the otherside. Especially on a Dave Matthews Band messageboard.

you should check out my favorite board, the Elephant 6 Townhall, where the grass is always purpler, or at the very least oranger.

[MDFdmb50]

I agree with the original post. Some people come across like they are on the panel with Simon & Co. in laying criticism on the DMB. Those who say that the lyrics "suck ass" or "are horrible" are suffering from an inflated perception of their "great" taste in music. Like they are better lyric writers or something. Or like they are the god of lyric writing. Maybe the lyrics aren't better than other lyrics from DMB's other albums; that's fine if you feel that way, but the lyrics are still good. They are penned and put to music by the DMB, which is, in my opinion the best rock band going today. Any even if you don't think they are the best band going today, the lyrics are to be respected simply because they come from the DMB. The band has earned that respect. We can still express our opinions about what lyrics are better, but to simply say that they "suck ass" is completely un-called for because it shows a lack of respect to the DMB and all that they have accomplished and all that they may have done for us personally.


I have not voiced my opinion about the album on these message boards but I have told some of my friends how bad the lyrics "suck ass". So maybe you could tell me why I think these lyrics are so bad, you seem to know an awful lot about me. Do I think the lyrics "suck ass" because I have an inflated perception of my "great" taste in music? Is it because I think I'm "a better lyric writer or something" or because I am simply the God of lyric writing?

Seriously man, you sound like Derek Zoolander.

the lyrics are to be respected simply because they come from the DMB. The band has earned that respect.

I respect the band, I don't have to respect the albums lyrics because of it.

[brydro]

I really dont mind opinions whether positive or negative, but it seems I have seen the neagtive opinions always have a comment like "Well this album can't come close to UTTAD, BTCS, CRASH." Now obvioulsy those are 3 truly amazing albums, the gems of all gems. But, how many times can a band re-create that magic in a studio? My opinion is that everyone wants the past, and the past is over with. If you happen to be around for those years, more power to you, you witnessed greatness. I feel as though most people who are negative towards this album are more "newer" listeners that are just upset about not being this involved with the band during that time, cries for BWBF, cries for Bela guesting, cries for the older times. Now I realize that there are a lot of older Dmb fans that dont respect the album as well, and thats fine, I understand your frustration. I like the album, obviously not anything close to the first 3. I was listening last night to the new album, and wondering what did happen to song writing like the dreaming tree? Kind got a lil sentimental, but at the same time I do like the album. I understand all the frustration, yet all the positivity about this album. This is a long rant, but just have feelings on both sides. Yet I still dig the album...

[JonnyJoyRidin]

KShathra, you over analyze. Its Music! For all our enjoyment and for us to escape to. If you cant see that or come to terms with that then thats fine, your opinion but dont be one of the many to use this website to bash the band! There are many of us who like the album, accpets it for what it is. Someone get rid of the negative Nancies because ive heard enough of their repetitve Bullshit. Go create a negative website where you can talk about the past and how aboslutly fantastic it was and how UTTAD and BTCS were the greatest musical pieces ever put together!

[2StepintoCrash]

forget the past and enjoy the present...this is a quality album folks.

[3YNK4]

Lets just see how these songs develop live. That's how we are going to remember them in the years to come.

They could switch some of these songs up so much in concert. I remember "What You Are" came out of nowhere and was a standout song in 02. Until they encored it at what seemed like every show I went to.

Ultimately, this album probably won't get a lot of playtime in my stereo. (So many people are coming out with such good albums right now)

I think most of the songs will turn into really fun live songs.

[MCosta]

The fact that many people do not like this album at this moment is ok. I just think that some of those people should not confuse an eventual or even another bad album by the band (in their opinion) as a demonstration that the band has gone downhill and cannot make good music anymore.
I do not have the slightest doubt that if they wanted to they could release anytime an album as good or even better than the classic 3. They´d just stick to the old formula.
If this album is judged as being bad it will not be because of the band´s current lack of quality (Dave cannot write profound lyrics anymore, his voice sucks, blah, blah, blah), but will be in result of an erroneous strategy, meaning that their goal to try to appeal to a whole new audience that they have not yet captured should not make then change their style of music.
If keeping us was their top priority at this point they could have us by the balls anytime; they´d just would release an introspective, jammy and long ass album.

[Kshathra]

KShathra, you over analyze. Its Music! For all our enjoyment and for us to escape to. If you cant see that or come to terms with that then thats fine, your opinion but dont be one of the many to use this website to bash the band! There are many of us who like the album, accpets it for what it is. Someone get rid of the negative Nancies because ive heard enough of their repetitve Bullshit. Go create a negative website where you can talk about the past and how aboslutly fantastic it was and how UTTAD and BTCS were the greatest musical pieces ever put together!

You underanalyze. Just because it's music doesn't mean it's good, and just because it's DMB doesn't mean it's good either. Nickelback is music for peoples' enjoyment, and you don't see me listening to them. Your argument is exactly the kind of shallow defense of the album I'm talking about. I shouldn't criticize it because "it's music"? That's the weakest one yet. Ever dislike a song before? Accept the album for what it is? If all it is is music, then no I will not, because it doesn't happen to be very good music. If the intention of making the listener feel good were the only crtieria for good music, it'd be damn hard to find something worth disliking. That's what everyone wants to do, whether they want to make people feel good for their own sake or they want them to feel good so they will give them money (and I don't think that's the case with DMB). The side of the road to musical success is littered with bands with good intentions. Unfortunately that didn't make them GOOD, and the same is true of this album.

And don't call my posts bullshit. I'm trying to keep this civil and present my opinions in as clear and mature a manner I can. This is a public message board for DMB fans, I am a DMB fan, and this is where I come to express my opinions. If you want to write it off as repetitive negative nancy crap, that's your problem. If you read what I say, you may actually learn something--like, "hey, maybe people don't like this album for a reason!" I wish I could like this album. I really really really wish I could. It's not that I long for another BTCS stylistically. It's that I long for an album that's good. That's all. We shouldn't have to settle for something because "Its Music for all our enjoyment and for us to escape to." We should be able to come up with reasons better than that for liking this album.

[PrettyPenelope]

I really dont mind opinions whether positive or negative, but it seems I have seen the neagtive opinions always have a comment like "Well this album can't come close to UTTAD, BTCS, CRASH." Now obvioulsy those are 3 truly amazing albums, the gems of all gems. But, how many times can a band re-create that magic in a studio? My opinion is that everyone wants the past, and the past is over with. If you happen to be around for those years, more power to you, you witnessed greatness. I feel as though most people who are negative towards this album are more "newer" listeners that are just upset about not being this involved with the band during that time, cries for BWBF, cries for Bela guesting, cries for the older times. Now I realize that there are a lot of older Dmb fans that dont respect the album as well, and thats fine, I understand your frustration. I like the album, obviously not anything close to the first 3. I was listening last night to the new album, and wondering what did happen to song writing like the dreaming tree? Kind got a lil sentimental, but at the same time I do like the album. I understand all the frustration, yet all the positivity about this album. This is a long rant, but just have feelings on both sides. Yet I still dig the album...:thumbsup Very well put. The first time I listened to this album, I knew that it wasn't going to be like those 3. I knew because of Everyday and Busted Stuff, which are good albums, but were also not as great. Nonetheless, I went into Stand Up ready to appreciate it for what it was. I like it. I dont love it like I love Crash. But I respect the boys for experimenting with something different. I think it's good for musicians to change and expand, whether or not its for the best. I think all artists at some point need to expand their horizons.

LIke I said before, if people want to be negative on these boards, go ahead. Just don't word it like an asshole. :)

[quick turtle]

You underanalyze. Just because it's music doesn't mean it's good, and just because it's DMB doesn't mean it's good either. Nickelback is music for peoples' enjoyment, and you don't see me listening to them. Your argument is exactly the kind of shallow defense of the album I'm talking about. I shouldn't criticize it because "it's music"? That's the weakest one yet. Ever dislike a song before? Accept the album for what it is? If all it is is music, then no I will not, because it doesn't happen to be very good music. If the intention of making the listener feel good were the only crtieria for good music, it'd be damn hard to find something worth disliking. That's what everyone wants to do, whether they want to make people feel good for their own sake or they want them to feel good so they will give them money (and I don't think that's the case with DMB). The side of the road to musical success is littered with bands with good intentions. Unfortunately that didn't make them GOOD, and the same is true of this album.

And don't call my posts bullshit. I'm trying to keep this civil and present my opinions in as clear and mature a manner I can. This is a public message board for DMB fans, I am a DMB fan, and this is where I come to express my opinions. If you want to write it off as repetitive negative nancy crap, that's your problem. If you read what I say, you may actually learn something--like, "hey, maybe people don't like this album for a reason!" I wish I could like this album. I really really really wish I could. It's not that I long for another BTCS stylistically. It's that I long for an album that's good. That's all. We shouldn't have to settle for something because "Its Music for all our enjoyment and for us to escape to." We should be able to come up with reasons better than that for liking this album.


you are 100% dead on. This guy is making rational arguments as to why he doesn't like he album and people are coming back with "you're not a real fan" and "you have to respect DMB"

For the 1000th time. None of us non-supporters want another album exactly like BTCS. The band was on their way with the summer songs and ditched that for this nonsense that is different for the sake of being different.

I guarantee the majority of the band doesn't like this album either. You can't tell me Carter thinks his effort was representatie of his talents. There's no way Carter is pleased with his "quieter percussion" role. Remember after Everyday on the clips and the 60 Minutes II with Charlie Rose when everyone kissed Glen Ballards ass and said it was their best album and they all loved making it. They were all lying through their teeth and they're doing it again.

[PrettyPenelope]

I guarantee the majority of the band doesn't like this album either. You can't tell me Carter thinks his effort was representatie of his talents. There's no way Carter is pleased with his "quieter percussion" role. Remember after Everyday on the clips and the 60 Minutes II with Charlie Rose when everyone kissed Glen Ballards ass and said it was their best album and they all loved making it. They were all lying through their teeth and they're doing it again. What are you, Carter's best friend? Care to provide some evidence for this?

[quick turtle]

What are you, Carter's best friend? Care to provide some evidence for this?


He said he loved Everyday because they had "charts." He was lying then (because he had to to promote the album)

I just don't see how he can be down with SU

[MCosta]

He said he loved Everyday because they had "charts." He was lying then (because he had to to promote the album)

I just don't see how he can be down with SU

i´d say if there is a man in that band that has enough respect of everyone and a voice to define thinks, that man is CB, hands down. If he made concessions in ED, he surely would not accept an imposition this time.

[MCosta]

He said he loved Everyday because they had "charts." He was lying then (because he had to to promote the album)

I just don't see how he can be down with SU

i´d say if there is a man in that band that has enough respect of everyone and a voice to define things, that man is CB, hands down. If he made concessions in ED, he surely would not accept an imposition this time.

[Reekymerle]

i can safely say you are an absolute idiot.

while i enjoy this cd a decent bit, it shouldn't mean that we can't critique it since it meant something to the band. lets just end all musical criticism if that's your reasoning.

once again, you are an absolute idiot.

[PrettyPenelope]

Is that hard to criticize a person's opinions without resorting to insults? Just curious. :confused Because, personally, it's hard to give any merit to critical posts that resort to that negativity...

[twostep]

I'm not going to read through the 5 pages of posts to see if this has already been posted but to the original poster:

You can't get upset with people bashing the album. If they want another UTTAD/BTCS, then that is their expectation of the band. Yes, many of us grew up with this band, me included, and I would love to see another BTCS, but I know that will not come. I do hope for them to go above and beyond it. After BTCS, Everyday and Busted Stuff, I really thought this album was going to be the best. Throw everything they have been through along with the very obvious evolution of the band, I thought it had the makings of a great album. BTCS is dark and very moving. Everyday is light and more concise than anything they had ever done before. And Busted Stuff, well, its not the Lillywhites. My hope was that the band not go into the studio trying to make another BTCS but that they would take the previous 3 albums and put them into one. From the clips that I have heard (haven't listened to it all, going to wait for midnight monday to listen to it on real speakers the way it should be) it has a mix of the previous 3.

Not sure where I went with that but let me try and start again. You can't tell people not to bash it just because they shouldn't expect it to be up to their previous standards. Take U2 for example, come the mid 90's (about 15 years into their existence, they did pop and zooropa. Obviously these are much different from Joshua Tree and Boy. They were bashed by their fans, their tours lost money and everyone thought they were on their way out. Then came ATYCLB and HTDAAB. U2 is back.

Part of growing as musicians and fans is dealing with the lows. You say you have already dealt with the lows, maybe this album is someone else's low. Let people have their opinion. You don't have to listen to it or even respect it but at least tolerate it. Just because we are fans and on this board doesn't mean we have to worship everything the band does. The band has had their success and many years to learn how to deal with it. They can take some criticism from their fans.

I know this post went no where and it probably doesn't make perfect sense but you get the gist of it. deal with people's opinions. its part of life.

[dmbslave]

Let me say that you should not be expecting another UTTAD/Crash/BTCS EVER AGAIN. These are the albums that no matter how hard the bands tries to beat, will never because of the massive emotional appeal they have had on many of our lives both studio songs and songs played live.

I disagree. I think this band is capable of anything - they are intensly creative and have what it takes to keep topping themselves, over and over again. If I really thought they'd never do any better, than what would be the point of listening to them anymore? We all wanna hear new music...it's exciting and refreshing. Sometimes what they put out might not rub us the right way, but ya know what - I will stick around to see what's next because it could just be some of their best work.

[TurboPGT]

And don't call my posts bullshit. I'm trying to keep this civil and present my opinions in as clear and mature a manner I can.


You did.... but you missed the point...and as clear and mature a manner as I can, I will explain why...its really quite simple....I posted it in another thread and it got lost:

There are two types of people on this board right now that I am trying to steer away from:

You have the Yes people who think everyone who doesn't like the album are "stuck in the past", "narrow-minded", "have no sense of taste," or all of the above.

You also have the No people who think everyone who likes the album are "blind followers", "obsessed fans who would like anything," "have no sense of taste," or all of the above.


I am personally a Yes person who wishes it were possible to go onto an online message board and chat with both yes and no people about the album. Unfortunately, the majority of "No" people fit into the above categories ^ and are going out of their way flood this forum with nonsense and bashing. If that is your intention allow me to direct you here: http://www.ufck.com

They enjoy that kind of childish venting.

In case anyone is still unclear as to what I'm talking about let me give you a fair exmaple that i think anyone can understand / agree with:

Appropriate way to discuss in favor of SU: Sounds like DMB has progressed well. Definately a very different style, but I feel its healthy break from a 15 year norm. The song structure is very un-DMB-like and a few of songs leave a bit to be desired (which will most likely occur live), but the overall product ( of the album and of each song) is, IMO, a success for this band will bring me a lot of enjoyment.

Inappropriate way: The album is great, anyone who doesn't think so ins't a true fan! Get with the times and enjoy this album, its DMB come on!

Appropriate way to discuss a distaste for SU: To me, this is disappointing. I'm not a huge fan of hip hop beats or the "produced" sound. The lyrics don't seem finished in some spots, and I wish DMB had produced this album themselves. Hopefully these songs will improve live and make my summer more enjoyable.[/B]

Inappropriate: Fuck this shit! DMB is over. These cheesey lyrics and boy band/hip hop beats suck. What happened to DMB? If you think this is quality you are an idiot. Get the DMB dick out of your ass.



Guys get it now? ;)

[TurboPGT]

This is not me trying to CENSOR anyone or structure the conversation.....its a just matter of acting like an adult instead of a child...


carry on yal

[sonicdmb41]

Well i was in New Orleans and i would say the 3 songs played SU- dont like, AB- ok but they could scrap that intro, and LB- very nice were all ok in concert . I certainly dont think it is anything to go crazy over. I listened to the whole album on VH-1 and really find myself a bit disappointed. It definitely will not be the best ever, not even close. The whole thing lacks any sort of energy at all as an album, maybe individual songs in concert will fare better , but as an album i wont say that i would be driving down the road jamming out to it, cause there isnt anything to jam to. Even Hello Again sounds wierd...almost like a Mr. Microphone recording in my cellar. And i certainly dont know what the hell Stefan was talking about when he said more of a clubish or club tunes...i dont see that either.
The album is more Davespeak with music in the background, perhaps some finger puppets to liven things up a bit. I myself am more excited to be getting the bonus disc with the Carter and Mark jam then the album...thats pretty sad. I mean it would be far better had they included GGT, Joyride, Crazy-Easy, and even a revamped Sugar Will. Well its not like i could do better and that doesnt matter anyway, but i just dont see all the hype adding up. :shrug

[Nikos]

:thumbsup I think that's the crux of this matter: so many of us were teenagers who caught onto this band when both they & we were just really getting into the wider world. It was fresh, we were fresh, and it made a permanent impression on us. Nothing the band does from here on out is ever going to have that kind of life-changing mental and emotional impact on us, because we've already *had* that experience with them.

You gotta move on and learn to appreciate them in a new context.


So true..... ;) ;)

[cruscott35]

First, basing is not a form of discussion, its a form of being asshole. Who do think wants to listen to it? Absolutely no one.

There are ways to criticize things the way an adult is supposed to, which i gather you most likely are not.

and this....



...is you criticizing people for liking the album.

so i ask, who the fuck are you to make that call?

How is bashing something not a form of discussion??? Is as much a form of discussion as saying how much you like something. The only differance between praising something and bashing it is what side of the fence you're on.

discussion

n 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; "the book contains an excellent discussion of modal logic"; "his treatment of the race question is badly biased" [syn: treatment, discourse] 2: an exchange of views on some topic; "we had a good discussion"; "we had a word or two about it" [syn: give-and-take, word]

I really like 2 "an exchange of views on some topic." So, if I'm bashing something, and you're praising something, is that not an exchange of views?? Secondly, you're right, I'm not an adult, I'll let you assume that, but I won't go ahead and assume that you're just some college student who's only real work has been at the local starbucks to scrape together enough beer money for the local kegger. I won't make assumptions about you, because I'm not an adult. And lastly, me saying "get the collective dick out of your mouths" isn't me getting on people for liking this album, per se. Its just the atmosphere of this place to blindly love anything that Dave puts his hands on. Its blasphemey to say otherwise. If there were a CD of Dave taking a shit, complete with grunts and "poop making" sound, people here would proclaim it the greatest thing ever. Its just the way some of these people are. Trust me, I've been around for quite a while, I've seen all before, people will blindly LOVE/ADORE/BITE YOU FOR TALKING SHIT about anything DMB or Dave does.
Scotty