Why are most people dissing this album?

[Majew10]

I still don't understand why people are saying this album is crap and that they are going to trade in tickets cause they don't like the new cd. I think this cd is very enjoyable. Sure this cd has its ups and downs...but what cd doesn't. If DMB didn't change their sound every once and awhile and try new things it would just be boring. Why would people buy albums and go to shows if everything sounded alike. The one reason i enjoy listening to DMB is that everything is different and every song has a different style. I am very happy with this cd as probably many people are. I am looking forward to the upcomming tour because these songs are only going to get better and better. Even if you don't like this cd, its no reason to bitch and complain, and say your going to sell your tickets to shows.Sometimes I just think people are dumbasses. For the people who bash DMB because these songs aren't the "old style" just stop listening to DMB because its in with the new and out with the old. Its been about 4 years since we got new material and this stuff is great.I don't see how people can go and say that these songs are nothing like the good ol' days of DMB. Sure the style of the songs are different but the lyrics are still great. Just listening to "Steady As We Go" and "Stolen Away On 55th and 3rd" remind me of old dmb...sounds like something that could have easliy been on Crash.I defently think this album ranks up with BTCS, Crash, and UTT&D.

I usually don't just come out like this and bitch about things...but this is a dmb fanbase community(for people who don't understand that:a place to discuss and enjoy what dmb has to offer musical on and off stage.)...its just sad all the negative things people say about the band and this cd. Flame me I don't care, but some of the people on this bored are just complete assholes sometimes.

[davehead34]

Some people just don't like it. Plain and simple. The ones that openly voice it are more than likely the more upset ones, so they may be a bit harsher than you'd like them to be. It's all preference. It's not a bad album IMHO, but it doesn't exactly showcase DMB's talents as much as other albums.

[Haiku Jimi]

I wouldnt go as far as selling my tickets but I'm just going to make it clear that people are upset because the album is just mediocre, not because its a new sound. There's nothing wrong with change, but I disagree about hte lyrics being great. I think they're somewhat lame, and the songs are just average with some decent melodies. There's jsut nothing that stands out and makes you go "WOW" with this album. That's why people are dissapointed. Its just an average album.

[MistreatedLewis]

I wouldnt go as far as selling my tickets but I'm just going to make it clear that people are upset because the album is just mediocre, not because its a new sound. There's nothing wrong with change, but I disagree about hte lyrics being great. I think they're somewhat lame, and the songs are just average with some decent melodies. There's jsut nothing that stands out and makes you go "WOW" with this album. That's why people are dissapointed. Its just an average album.

But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...

Not to mention I think some songs from Everyday have some really cool lyrics (If I Had It All, What You Are, When the World Ends come to mind) but nobody who hates that album praises that either...

[CrashInto41]

Couldnt agree with you more ;) I could care less if people voice their opinions, to each their own, but the manner that some people are saying it in just disgusts me :thumbsdow

[OCMarsh]

I'd say that most people like it. (See poll in the thread below)

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=131025


I think there are alot of disgruntled people in this forum though. As per usual, those who are upset will make the most noise. Don't worry about what others think so much.

[Majew10]

I'd say that most people like it. (See poll in the thread below)

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=131025


I think there are alot of disgruntled people in this forum though. As per usual, those who are upset will make the most noise. Don't worry about what others think so much.
I know its just sad that if DMB doesn't do what they want them to do they throw a hissy fit and act like a 5 year old...and just piss other people off. I know people have the freedom of speech...but some people just take it to far and are just grade A assholes.

[Haiku Jimi]

But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...

I agree, but BTCS more than made up for it sound-wise. I think it was the peak of their studio recordings...there's hardly a note on that album that I would replace. And some of the lyrics were great as well - Dreaming Tree, Last Stop, Pig, Spoon.

[MistreatedLewis]

I agree, but BTCS more than made up for it sound-wise. I think it was the peak of their studio recordings...there's hardly a note on that album that I would replace. And some of the lyrics were great as well - Dreaming Tree, Last Stop, Pig, Spoon.

It did make up for it musically, it just kind of irks me that a lot of people like to pretend that Before These Crowded Streets is flawless and Everyday has 0 redeeming qualities. I mean, who could really argue that Rapunzel or Stay have more inventive lyrics than If I Had It All? But it's like God forbid you criticize the holy bible of DMB albums. Anyway I agree with what you said except i think the Last Stop's lyrics, although one of my favorite songs, are kind of derivative.

[CrashInto41]

[QUOTE=MistreatedLewis]But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...
QUOTE]

I think if you were to take some of these songs that people are calling cheesy and what not, and put it on say BTCS or UTTAD they wouldnt have the same response.

[Haiku Jimi]

I know its just sad that if DMB doesn't do what they want them to do they throw a hissy fit and act like a 5 year old...and just piss other people off. I know people have the freedom of speech...but some people just take it to far and are just grade A assholes.

Just dont pay attention to them. I'm sorry to say but both sides have those people. There are those that call people who dont like the new album idiots because they cant accept change, blah blah. They're all missing the point. They just get riled up by the "opposing side" and throw comments at each other. Ignore it.

[Majew10]

[QUOTE=MistreatedLewis]But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...
QUOTE]

I think if you were to take some of these songs that people are calling cheesy and what not, and put it on say BTCS or UTTAD they wouldnt have the same response.
I agree with you 100% on that. :thumbsup

[Haiku Jimi]

But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...


I think if you were to take some of these songs that people are calling cheesy and what not, and put it on say BTCS or UTTAD they wouldnt have the same response.

Well of course, if BTCS or UTTAD had an extra 1 or 2 songs that I thought were mediocre I wouldnt care, it doesnt ruin the album. But I still wouldnt like those songs more than I do now just because they were on a good album. There are songs I dont love on BTCS as well.

I dont see your point.

[eevulhomer]

Persoanlly, I love this album. When I first heard the clips I kind of soaked them in and it took some time to "get to know them." Well, after 6 hours of soaking I find myself toe-tapping, head bobbing, and singing to every song on the album. I appreciate taht this is a new sound from the band, but I see this as a testament to the ability of this band. Just this last summer we were treated to NEW songs such as C-E, Joyride, Sugar, GGT, and HA, which were all amazing songs. These songs were only written a year ago, so I do not see why people that do not like this album think Dave and the boys cannot crank out the old school DMB classics, b/c they can. They are just not on this album.

But this is a completely new sound for them, which shows the versatilty of them as musicians. It would be boring (IMO) for every album to sound the same. We all love Crash, UUTAD, and BTCS but I personally would rather have somehting fresh and new than a clone of those albums. I think that this album will grow on people as time goes along and DMB fans will come to appreciate this album for what it is.

It does hurt to see people just bash this album b/c as all of you do I love this band. I don't know about others, but it is presonal when people say that they are finished and that Stand Up is crap. I know that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion and that they have the right to voice them. I just cannot see where all the hate is comong from.

For everyone that truly despises this album, I do not think you have to worry b/c just recently they have written songs that have been widely accepted in the DMB community so there is hope for you still.

Sorry for the rant, now I am going to listen to HFTGL....

[penn darvis]

Why is it that everyone who makes a post defending the album says something about how every band has to change and we can't have another BTCS?

I doubt anyone here doesn't realize that the band has to change. Some just don't like the direction that the band took with this album, just as many didn't like the direction the band took with ED.

[CrashInto41]

Well of course, if BTCS or UTTAD had an extra 1 or 2 songs that I thought were mediocre I wouldnt care, it doesnt ruin the album. But I still wouldnt like those songs more than I do now just because they were on a good album. There are songs I dont love on BTCS as well.

I dont see your point.

My point is the people who hate the album and who are giving it such horrible reviews are basically categorizing every song as being horrible just because its not an BTCS, UTTAD, Crash type song that they are used to. Im just saying if you were to take one of those songs on the new album say Steady as we go and were to place it on one of the past albums their opinion might differ, considering those albums are some of their best material as they believe and that all of their songs were better then. They may just think it is mediocre to, but for the most part I dont think those songs would recieve such bad rap

[penn darvis]

I think if you were to take some of these songs that people are calling cheesy and what not, and put it on say BTCS or UTTAD they wouldnt have the same response.

If they had the same production value as BTCS or UTTAD, I would probably like them a lot more. One of the things that I dislike the most about SU is the production. I even dislike the album version of Hello Again despite loving the live version of the song.

[Haiku Jimi]

My point is the people who hate the album and who are giving it such horrible reviews are basically categorizing every song as being horrible just because its not an BTCS, UTTAD, Crash type song that they are used to. Im just saying if you were to take one of those songs on the new album say Steady as we go and were to place it on one of the past albums their opinion might differ, considering those albums are some of their best material as they believe and that all of their songs were better then. They may just think it is mediocre to, but for the most part I dont think those songs would recieve such bad rap

I sort of disagree (dont take this as an attack on you, its not). That's what I was saying before, it may just pertain to me, but I think a lot of people that dont like Stand Up dont like it because they really just think the songs are sub-par like most of Everyday. Not because they are different than older DMB stuff. There are just no GREAT songs on Stand Up. They're all sort of "oh this is nice."

[penn darvis]

I sort of disagree (dont take this as an attack on you, its not). That's what I was saying before, it may just pertain to me, but I think a lot of people that dont like Stand Up dont like it because they really just think the songs are sub-par like most of Everyday. Not because they are different than older DMB stuff. There are just no GREAT songs on Stand Up. They're all sort of "oh this is nice."

:thumbsup

[Majew10]

If they had the same production value as BTCS or UTTAD, I would probably like them a lot more. One of the things that I dislike the most about SU is the production. I even dislike the album version of Hello Again despite loving the live version of the song.
I do agree that this song should have been left alone and kept the same way it was(maybe a live in studio recording)...but i rather have it on an album and have a different verison of the song. Even tho it doesn't sound as good on the album we all know it kicks major ass live.

[manninta]

The only reason why I am posting anything in this thread is due to the fact that there is so much negativity on SU.
I love the CD and I live 23 other kids in a house. Most of them have stopped by room and asked what song or group I was blasting. They came because they wanted me to turn it up not down. The guys that are DMB fans that couldn't recognize it being them had a huge smile on their face when I told them who they were listening too.

"Bring that beat back to again..."

[Kshathra]

My point is the people who hate the album and who are giving it such horrible reviews are basically categorizing every song as being horrible just because its not an BTCS, UTTAD, Crash type song that they are used to.

That's just not true. I dislike like these songs because they are NOT GOOD SONGS.

It's true there is comparison to former albums (why shouldn't there be?) but it is in terms of QUALITY, not STYLE. UTTAD, Crash, BTCS, and Busted Stuff are the best albums not because they had acoustic guitar, deep lyrics, dynamic vocals, flashy drumming, good unison riffs, and complex hooks.... they are the best albums because they have the best SONGS, and those songs just happen to USE those things. It is totally possible to write good, simple music without some (or even ANY, I imagine) of the things I just said, but DMB just failed to pull it off.

I shouldn't HAVE to just sit back and "let go of my expectations," and feel content to listen to an album that "is pleasing to the ear" (something I see thrown around a lot by stand up supporters). Elevator music is pleasing to the ear. Mary had a Little Lamb is pleasing to the ear. Music that's feel-good and pleasing to the ear is a dime a dozen.

Dave Matthews Band is better than that. Good albums can stand up to scrutiny; they don't need to be defended by someone telling you to "be nice" before listening to it. I should be able to pick out sections of music that make me go "WOW!!"--for WHATEVER reason. Good music is pleasing to the SOUL, and DMB just doesn't pull it off on this album.

[Bildo23]

It's not that people aren't DMB fans when they bitch about the album on here, its just that they love DMB so much and don't really like what this album is? Think of it this way... I'm a HUGE Yankee fan, but if the Yankees put up a losing effort for the night, I'm not cheering leaving the stadium cause they sucked that night. I Bitch.... Because I Love...

[penn darvis]

I do agree that this song should have been left alone and kept the same way it was(maybe a live in studio recording)...but i rather have it on an album and have a different verison of the song. Even tho it doesn't sound as good on the album we all know it kicks major ass live.It doesn't have to be a live version, just not cut at the end. Maybe faded out or simply without the drum solo. Plus all the vocal effects in the background are annoying.

[penn darvis]

I shouldn't HAVE to just sit back and "let go of my expectations," and feel content to listen to an album that "is pleasing to the ear" (something I see thrown around a lot by stand up supporters). Elevator music is pleasing to the ear. Mary had a Little Lamb is pleasing to the ear. Music that's feel-good and pleasing to the ear is a dime a dozen.


Smartest thing said in this forum.

:thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

[QUOTE=Kshathra]That's just not true. I dislike like these songs because they are NOT GOOD SONGS.

It's true there is comparison to former albums (why shouldn't there be?) but it is in terms of QUALITY, not STYLE. UTTAD, Crash, BTCS, and Busted Stuff are the best albums not because they had acoustic guitar, deep lyrics, dynamic vocals, flashy drumming, good unison riffs, and complex hooks.... they are the best albums because they have the best SONGS, and those songs just happen to USE those things. QUOTE]

Busted Stuff is a shitty album that happens to have good songs.

[penn darvis]

Busted Stuff is a shitty album that happens to have good songs.

I disagree with the part about BS being shitty, but there is more to an album than good songs. That being said, this album fails in that it doesn't have good songs.

[MistreatedLewis]

I disagree with the part about BS being shitty, but there is more to an album than good songs. That being said, this album fails in that it doesn't have good songs.


That's fine, I just don't think Busted Stuff is any good. Talk about an album that doesn't live up to BTCS... I think some of those songs could have benefitted from an electronic drum beat.

[Kshathra]

either way, it's kind of splitting hairs, hehe. remove BS from my little tirade and (i like to think that) my point still holds up.

[MistreatedLewis]

either way, it's kind of splitting hairs, hehe. remove BS from my little tirade and (i like to think that) my point still holds up.

cool.

[Majew10]

If people keep comparing new DMB songs/cds to old songs/cd...those people with never like any new material this band puts out.Every CD is different in their own way...I can defentaly see in the future people will be saying that so and so isn't as good as Stand Up. Its starting to happen with Everyday. People are admitting the cd is good(i personally like that cd also). Its just going to take time to adjust.

[MistreatedLewis]

I wonder what people would have said about this exact album if the only difference was that Tim was playing on it too...

[Majew10]

I wonder what people would have said about this exact album if the only difference was that Tim was playing on it too...
BEST DMB ALBUM EVER...Just the way people are...its like they have their mind set...the cd could have ummbop 75 times but if it had tim or bela or someone else it would be called the best cd DMB has ever made.

[Kshathra]

If people keep comparing new DMB songs/cds to old songs/cd...those people with never like any new material this band puts out.Every CD is different in their own way...I can defentaly see in the future people will be saying that so and so isn't as good as Stand Up. Its starting to happen with Everyday. People are admitting the cd is good(i personally like that cd also). Its just going to take time to adjust.

I think it's more that we're just seeing a bigger influx of fans who were introduced to the band through everyday, so naturally they're going to like it. At the same time, disgruntled purists will be around less, so there will be less speaking up against it. I think it's just the flow of people in and out of the boards that affects the consensus opinion of Everyday, rather than anyone's minds really getting changed. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just speaking in terms of the AM.org community as a whole, I don't think that that's what generally causes the trend.

[penn darvis]

I can defentaly see in the future people will be saying that so and so isn't as good as Stand Up.

I can't really see that because this album isn't a progression for the band as much as it is a step backward.

[MistreatedLewis]

I can't really see that because this album isn't a progression for the band as much as it is a step backward.


The way I see it, it's still a step forward from their last release (Boring Stuff...)

[DaWarehouse418]

I have been a DMB fan since UTTAD-30 shows with 7 coming this summer. My life has revolved around the Dave Matthews Band since early high school...meaning checking Ants/Nancies/Warehouse the second I wake up, not missing an ounce of news all day, catching every single tv appearance they have, and falling asleep to them at night. I've had my share of moments with the band: 6/11/01 Two Step at Giants, James Brown at MSG, a good amount of Warehouse openers, and Dave and Stefan acknowleding my sign in Camden last year. It seems they can't let me down. So I go to vh1 and listen to all the tracks (after having each clip on repeat for 10 hours a day). Honestly, I am happy. It just furthers the thought that when someone asks me "What kind of music is DMB?", I can say there is NO WAY to describe them. Each song had me bouncing and most gave me chills. I was happy (but Smooth Rider is still a little iffy for me). Then I came to the boards, and saw many comments saying "y'all are just in a trance and you just love everything the band does" or "you have a blind idoilzation and can't realize Stand Up is $hit". So it got me thinking, is this true? Do I just not want to admit that Stand Up is a failure? So I took another listen. The verdict...I loved it even more. Every kid in my suite (I go to college) knows I am obsessed with this band, and they knew when vh1 was streaming the album because I went nuts. After this next listen, I sat 3 of them down to listen because of how impressed I was. I knew the band wanted a different sound, and they succeeded. I sat 'em down to hear Hunger for the Great Light first because I feel that shows the biggest change in the band. I think the band has to a get chance to bring these songs on the road before this album is negatively judged. Louisiana Bayou-already strong live from Jazzfest and could only get better. Stand Up-they were definitely a tiny bit confused in their first performance, but this month is a month of practice for them. Anyway, all the songs of the album...imagine them pulling that off live? You Might Die Trying, Everybody Wake Up...seeing those successfully played, whether you like the album or not, would be an amazing sight. Just listen to the intro to HFTGL and put yourself at the Gorge, or SPAC, or the Meadows, experiencing it live. The array of music we will hear this summer is nuts. We could hear Lie In Our Graves and then Old Dirt Hill...Rapunzel, followed by Stolen Away. Leroi and Boyd go nuts on this album, and Stefan sounds better than ever. Sorry this message is all over the place. I just dunno how to get across how good a job these boys did with Mark and their hope for a new sound. Of course, there are some negatives. Carter could of definitely been a bigger part of the album. He had many chances to shine, including on Hello Again (but we know it doesn't matter cuz we already know what he does live). The other negative, the lyrics. Dave has definitely changed his style. He is more straight forward. I personally loved the hidden meanings through his lyrics (see 41, Typical Situation, etc.), and now we're listening to lines like "Your top was untied, and I thought how nice it would be to follow the sweat down your spine." That, of course, is from Dreamgirl, which may actually be a successful single. We know this band has not left its roots for good. Through tracks like Out of My Hands and Louisiana Bayou, we should know there is nothing to worry about...especially when those tracks are sharing the same CD as the other 11. I feel this album, right now, is satisfying me more than Busted Stuff and Everyday, and in time, who knows? I'll be at Roseland on the 9th...and I know the show will be one of the best I've experienced. Hope to see some of you there. :)

[CrashInto41]

If people keep comparing new DMB songs/cds to old songs/cd...those people with never like any new material this band puts out.Every CD is different in their own way...I can defentaly see in the future people will be saying that so and so isn't as good as Stand Up. Its starting to happen with Everyday. People are admitting the cd is good(i personally like that cd also). Its just going to take time to adjust.


:thumbsup People dont like change is what alot of it comes down to or are just to quick to judge. I personally hated Everyday when I first heard it, but now my opinions on it are completey different. I think once the tour starts and progresses we will see alot of these peoples opinions towards the album change

[MistreatedLewis]

I love that post!

[penn darvis]

I wonder what people would have said about this exact album if the only difference was that Tim was playing on it too...
These songs are so simple that Tim would only clutter things up even more.

[OCMarsh]

I wonder what people would have said about this exact album if the only difference was that Tim was playing on it too...

Or if they told us it was Lillywhite producing....

Many people heard a black man with hip hop roots was producing and they immediately began to look for things to hate. If it were Lillywhite producing many of these same people that may honestly not like it would be looking for things to like.

[Majew10]

I think it's more that we're just seeing a bigger influx of fans who were introduced to the band through everyday, so naturally they're going to like it. At the same time, disgruntled purists will be around less, so there will be less speaking up against it. I think it's just the flow of people in and out of the boards that affects the consensus opinion of Everyday, rather than anyone's minds really getting changed. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just speaking in terms of the AM.org community as a whole, I don't think that that's what generally causes the trend.
I got into DMB through Under the Table and Dreaming and when Everyday came out I thought it was good but wasn't the old dmb style. I never really hated the cd...but really wasn't in my cd player that much...After the first couple times listening to the cd and just learning the lyrics and seeing the songs live...it had a great affect on my opinion of the cd...i think its going to be the same way with the songs on this cd...Just look at Louisiana Bayou...once it was played live everyone was like it kicks ass...i guess only time will tell.

[TobiasClown]

Why is it that everyone who makes a post defending the album says something about how every band has to change and we can't have another BTCS?

I doubt anyone here doesn't realize that the band has to change. Some just don't like the direction that the band took with this album, just as many didn't like the direction the band took with ED.

what direction do you want them to take?

[rickyh24]

i dont see how anyone can say all of these songs are not good. Just listening to the beats on some of these songs gets me so pumped for the two meadows shows im going to. People can say they dont want to see these songs live but if my weekend at the meadows ends without hearing Bayou, Dream Girl, and Great light lets just say i will be dissapointed. I cant wait to see dave play the acoustic on the beginning of great light. I think the band and their fans will have a lot of fun with these songs. I dont see how any true DMB fan can not appreciate what they have done on this album. Its just different thats it.

[penn darvis]

Or if they told us it was Lillywhite producing....

Many people heard a black man with hip hop roots was producing and they immediately began to look for things to hate. If it were Lillywhite producing many of these same people that may honestly not like it would be looking for things to like.
:lol

[Majew10]

i dont see how anyone can say soem of these songs are not good. Just listening to the beats on some of these songs gets me so pumped for my two meadows shows. People can say they dont want to see these songs live if my weekend at the meadows ends without hearing Bayou, Dream Girl, and Great light lets just say i will be dissapointed. I cant wait to see dave play the acoustic on the beginning of great light. I think the band and their fans will have a lot of fun with these songs.
When I heard these songs I was like thank god only a month and a half to Scranton and Hershey...I am hoping I hear a majority of these songs live at the 2 shows i'm going to this summer. :hump

[OCMarsh]

:lol


I thought you might find that funny. But unfortunately it's true in many cases. It all boils down to racism. That and bio-terrorism.

[Majew10]

I thought you might find that funny. But unfortunately it's true in many cases. It all boils down to racism. That and bio-terrorism.
Its sad that its 2005 and many people are still racist :confused

edit: but if you are racist then why are you listening to dmb?

[CrashInto41]

I thought you might find that funny. But unfortunately it's true in many cases. It all boils down to racism. That and bio-terrorism.

That and when they found out who he was associated with, but im not going to lie I had my doubts to when I found out who the producer was

[MistreatedLewis]

Its sad that its 2005 and many people are still racist :confused

edit: but if you are racist then why are you listening to dmb?


Lots of rascism toward Muslims especially. Very sad.

[OCMarsh]

Eh, I was one of the few that were hoping for Dre to produce. As a pale, white, 29-year-old suburbanite I admit I have a soft spot for some hip hop.

[Majew10]

Lots of rascism toward Muslims especially. Very sad.
Its sad...i know this is off the topic but if everyone who was racist would listen to "on top the cage" by O.A.R. they may change their minds...its a good song that talks about that issue.

[Kshathra]

what direction do you want them to take?

I dunno, something GOOD would be nice... :evil







Okay, okay, that's my cheap shot for the day. I was definitely kidding, pleeeeease everyone don't take it to heart, I just have no conscience. But seriously, I'm open to anything as long as they could make it sound good (my main gripe regarding Stand Up and Everyday isn't that they're departures, it's that they are departures that failed). I would honestly LOVE to hear them pull off good, poppy but solid songwriting in the vein of someone like Ben Folds, who comes up with these simple melodic hooks and simple lyrics (I poured my heart out / it evaporated) that just plain WORK. However, if ED and SU represent their attempts at that, in my opinion it's safe to say that it ain't working.

One direction that I do think would be feasible for them is something like Rufus Wainwright's songs. It's a style that's very songwriting based, but is a little more structurally dynamic with VERY elaborate use of horns, strings etc. The parts are very complicated and a far more dynamic, as opposed to relatively simple lines repeated between verses, during choruses, etc, which aside from the solos is geeeenerally what DMB has always done, even in the early days that i still love to death. The Rufus songs sound like something you'd hear in a musical. With DMB's instrumental lineup, and the distinct vocals and guitar playing of our man Dave, they could definitely pull off this kind of sound while still making it their own.

[penn darvis]

I thought you might find that funny. But unfortunately it's true in many cases. It all boils down to racism. That and bio-terrorism.
If that's the reason people dislike this album, that is really sad.

[OCMarsh]

If that's the reason people dislike this album, that is really sad.

I seriously doubt most people dislike it because a black man was at the controls. Maybe 0.05%. But I do honsetly believe many people decided not to like it when they heard someone with a hiphop background was involved. There has been a contingency that were set against this album before any music could be heard.

[penn darvis]

I seriously doubt most people dislike it because a black man was at the controls. Maybe 0.05%. But I do honsetly believe many people decided not to like it when they heard someone with a hiphop background was involved. There has been a contingency that were set against this album before any music could be heard.
But look at the positive response to Batson's jam with Carter.

If anything, Stefan's "straight to the club" comments probably turned people against this album before they heard it.

[OCMarsh]

But look at the positive response to Batson's jam with Carter.

Anything with Carter jamming will get oodles of positive feedback. Including from me.

Stefan turns people off with whatever he says.

[MistreatedLewis]

Anything with Carter jamming will get oodles of positive feedback. Including from me.


Word :thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

Anything with Carter jamming will get oodles of positive feedback. Including from me.


Word :thumbsup

I do miss Carter's drums on this album very much, but I am not going to let that ruin the songs for me. I would rather listen to these songs than Busted Stuff with Carter's drums.

[quick turtle]

here it is -- people are upset with the album because its a natural emotion when someone is let down. I'm personally bummed because had high expectations for the bands new material. I don't think many people are personally pissed off at the band necessarily -- they can obviously make the album that they want. People are just disappointed, not because the band went in a new direction, but because we think the album sucks and could have been so much better.

I thought the summer songs were great. I loved the tunes the band came up with naturally on their own. I'm curious why they seem so determined to force themselves into something new by working with a new producer every album. Again, I have no problem with change, but ED and SU seem to me like such forced attempts to be different for the sake of being different.

The only people I see comparing SU to the old stuff are people who tell others not to live in the past. Those of us who don't like SU obviously don't want BTCS part two. We just wanted a good DMB album simple as that.

I know how some of you feel though. I drank the Kool-Aid back in the day too. After listening to the leaked ED I knew it sucked, but was still out there at midnight to buy the album. I've been a fan since I got my first tape in '93, and hoped I'd grow to love ED. Didn't happen and I can't let myself be fooled again.

I still have hope that DMB can get back to business one day though.

[CrashInto41]

Word :thumbsup

I do miss Carter's drums on this album very much, but I am not going to let that ruin the songs for me. I would rather listen to these songs than Busted Stuff with Carter's drums.

:thumbsup im hopin we see some good shit from him this summer. he could do alot with these songs

[Majew10]

:thumbsup im hopin we see some good shit from him this summer. he could do alot with these songs
i do hope carter keeps his sweet drum solo in hello again...i would love if a show would open hello again-->louisiana bayou :thumbsup

[Haiku Jimi]

I can defentaly see in the future people will be saying that so and so isn't as good as Stand Up. Its starting to happen with Everyday.

Really? I dont think its happened with ED. People have accepted it, that's all. By no means is it considered anywhere near DMB's best.

:thumbsup People dont like change is what alot of it comes down to or are just to quick to judge.

I just feel like you've ignored my past posts now...for the umpteenth time, its not due to change.

BEST DMB ALBUM EVER...Just the way people are...its like they have their mind set...the cd could have ummbop 75 times but if it had tim or bela or someone else it would be called the best cd DMB has ever made.

Please stop exaggerating, come on...

[Majew10]

Really? I dont think its happened with ED. People have accepted it, that's all. By no means is it considered anywhere near DMB's best.



I just feel like you've ignored my past posts now...for the umpteenth time, its not due to change.



Please stop exaggerating, come on...
its spost to be...but thats how some ppl are...just like the ppl who yell two step at tim shows. People just have there minds set on something and if it happens or if its popular they will just jump on the bandwagon.

[Majew10]

[QUOTE=Haiku Jimi]Really? I dont think its happened with ED. People have accepted it, that's all. By no means is it considered anywhere near DMB's best.



and does it have to be DMB's best...what makes it DMB's best?...its all based on personal opinions. Everyone is different...i could be like the majority of people and be like Crash or BTCS is DMB's best...but i don't want to ride on the bandwagon seems alittle crowded.

[davephan420]

i think its because the album licks my nuts. and for you to actually say that it ranks up with crash, BTCS, or UTTAD, makes me wonder. i dont know what your copy of BTCS sounds like, but mine sounds damn good. after listening to each song a couple of times off of stand up, i can safely say, this is the saddest thing that dmb has even come up with.

sean

[Majew10]

i think its because the album licks my nuts. and for you to actually say that it ranks up with crash, BTCS, or UTTAD, makes me wonder. i dont know what your copy of BTCS sounds like, but mine sounds damn good. after listening to each song a couple of times off of stand up, i can safely say, this is the saddest thing that dmb has even come up with.

sean
so i guess when dmb plays these songs its gonna be your bathroom break...have fun with that...but when these songs kick ass live...just remember you said "the album licks my nuts".

[CrashInto41]

[QUOTE=Haiku Jimi]



I just feel like you've ignored my past posts now...for the umpteenth time, its not due to change.



QUOTE]

Havent ignored them, and I do agree on some of your thoughts

[CrashInto41]

i think its because the album licks my nuts. and for you to actually say that it ranks up with crash, BTCS, or UTTAD, makes me wonder. i dont know what your copy of BTCS sounds like, but mine sounds damn good. after listening to each song a couple of times off of stand up, i can safely say, this is the saddest thing that dmb has even come up with.

sean

Thats cool if you dislike it, but do you really have to use the term "licks my nuts" i mean cmon now

[davephan420]

so i guess when dmb plays these songs its gonna be your bathroom break...have fun with that...but when these songs kick ass live...just remember you said "the album licks my nuts".

yes, i will eat my words if somehow these songs turn out to be listenable. i dont really see that happening. i thought i was listening to a 112 album when i heard Old Dirt Hill. wow. i just dont understand how anyone can listen to a previous album (btcs, uttad, crash, etc.) and then listen to stand up and be thinking, "yea, this is awesome, even better than that old stuff, i love drum machines and and bad rythms" Great Light of Love??? :ugh

[davephan420]

Thats cool if you dislike it, but do you really have to use the term "licks my nuts" i mean cmon now

yes, i had no choice.

[Majew10]

yes, i will eat my words if somehow these songs turn out to be listenable. i dont really see that happening. i thought i was listening to a 112 album when i heard Old Dirt Hill. wow. i just dont understand how anyone can listen to a previous album (btcs, uttad, crash, etc.) and then listen to stand up and be thinking, "yea, this is awesome, even better than that old stuff, i love drum machines and and bad rythms" Great Light of Love??? :ugh
i do dislike old dirt hill(album verison) but this can be sick live...but steady as we go reminds me i'll back you up...just has the same feeling.

[Haiku Jimi]

Havent ignored them, and I do agree on some of your thoughts

Well all I meant was, for me at least, its not because its different that I dont like Stand Up. I listen to plenty of bands that have evolved during their career and I've welcomed that change with open arms. Radiohead, The Beatles, Pink Floyd (until the Wall era anyway) - all these artists got better as time went by, so change didn't make me dislike them. Some bands however evolve for the worse (Rolling Stones, Metallica, Paul McCartney, etc) and I really dont enjoy their latter stuff.

What I'm getting at is that people may not like Stand Up due to its lack of any stand out songs, great lyrics, amazing musicianship. I just feel that its lacking the elements (notice I say elements, not style) that the band used to have. Change isn't bad, but it CAN be.


and does it have to be DMB's best...what makes it DMB's best?...its all based on personal opinions. Everyone is different...i could be like the majority of people and be like Crash or BTCS is DMB's best...but i don't want to ride on the bandwagon seems alittle crowded.

I'm...not saying it has to be their best...you seem to have forgotten what the original point was. You said "Eventually people will be saying Stand Up is good, and they'll be comparing future albums to it and saying 'oh I wish this was liek Stand Up'. " And you said that that is already happening with Everyday. What I said was that its not happening with Everyday...no one is using ED as a comparison for anything. I really dont see that ED is much more liked now than before...its just kind of accepted with a lukewarm feeling.

[jobu05]

I have listened to the cd twice now, and nothing sticks out to me. I thought Everyday was different but it had some memorable songs on it, this one does not have anything I would call great. This cd just does not meet the expectations that I had for it. I will still buy it and listen to it, it just will not be one that I listen to on a daily basis.

[davephan420]

good link Haiku Jimi, that is a perfect explantion of the album.

[Bartender2424]

yes, i will eat my words if somehow these songs turn out to be listenable. i dont really see that happening. i thought i was listening to a 112 album when i heard Old Dirt Hill. wow. i just dont understand how anyone can listen to a previous album (btcs, uttad, crash, etc.) and then listen to stand up and be thinking, "yea, this is awesome, even better than that old stuff, i love drum machines and and bad rythms" Great Light of Love??? :ugh

I agree and disagree. I agree with the statement about the album. The sound of the album songs, I can say I honestly dont like the album as a DMB album, but as a pop album its alright. I totally disagree about your statement about turning these songs into 'listenable' live songs. IMO, despite the shitty sound of the album, that the live potential of every one of these songs is enormus. For example, listen to studio Bayou and then listen to the live one. Two entirely different songs IMO, the studio LB sounds like a DMB hip hop song, but live its just plain groovin and real sick(in a good way). I think this might be the case with the rest of the songs because hes not gonna do all that over processed vocal shit. I think were all gonna be reallly surprised at this album played live. Im calling it :D

[Majew10]

I agree and disagree. I agree with the statement about the album. The sound of the album songs, I can say I honestly dont like the album as a DMB album, but as a pop album its alright. I totally disagree about your statement about turning these songs into 'listenable' live songs. IMO, despite the shitty sound of the album, that the live potential of every one of these songs is enormus. For example, listen to studio Bayou and then listen to the live one. Two entirely different songs IMO, the studio LB sounds like a DMB hip hop song, but live its just plain groovin and real sick(in a good way). I think this might be the case with the rest of the songs because hes not gonna do all that over processed vocal shit. I think were all gonna be reallly surprised at this album played live. Im calling it :D
alot of people are going to be eatting their words when these songs are great live :thumbsup

[il bacio dolce]

I still don't understand why people are saying this album is crap and that they are going to trade in tickets cause they don't like the new cd. I think this cd is very enjoyable. Sure this cd has its ups and downs...but what cd doesn't. If DMB didn't change their sound every once and awhile and try new things it would just be boring. Why would people buy albums and go to shows if everything sounded alike. The one reason i enjoy listening to DMB is that everything is different and every song has a different style. I am very happy with this cd as probably many people are. I am looking forward to the upcomming tour because these songs are only going to get better and better. Even if you don't like this cd, its no reason to bitch and complain, and say your going to sell your tickets to shows.Sometimes I just think people are dumbasses. For the people who bash DMB because these songs aren't the "old style" just stop listening to DMB because its in with the new and out with the old. Its been about 4 years since we got new material and this stuff is great.I don't see how people can go and say that these songs are nothing like the good ol' days of DMB. Sure the style of the songs are different but the lyrics are still great. Just listening to "Steady As We Go" and "Stolen Away On 55th and 3rd" remind me of old dmb...sounds like something that could have easliy been on Crash.I defently think this album ranks up with BTCS, Crash, and UTT&D.

I usually don't just come out like this and bitch about things...but this is a dmb fanbase community(for people who don't understand that:a place to discuss and enjoy what dmb has to offer musical on and off stage.)...its just sad all the negative things people say about the band and this cd. Flame me I don't care, but some of the people on this bored are just complete assholes sometimes.


You're a genius. Not everybody has the same taste in music. Naturally not everyone likes this music.

[Majew10]

You're a genius. Not everybody has the same taste in music. Naturally not everyone likes this music.
:lol :haha I know i'm not a genius but i just hate the way people express themselves sometimes...i know people have differenet tastes and i have no problem with that...its just the way people go about telling why they don't like things...its basically just a cry for help..or I want attention.

[alec]

That's just not true. I dislike like these songs because they are NOT GOOD SONGS.

It's true there is comparison to former albums (why shouldn't there be?) but it is in terms of QUALITY, not STYLE. UTTAD, Crash, BTCS, and Busted Stuff are the best albums not because they had acoustic guitar, deep lyrics, dynamic vocals, flashy drumming, good unison riffs, and complex hooks.... they are the best albums because they have the best SONGS, and those songs just happen to USE those things. It is totally possible to write good, simple music without some (or even ANY, I imagine) of the things I just said, but DMB just failed to pull it off.

I shouldn't HAVE to just sit back and "let go of my expectations," and feel content to listen to an album that "is pleasing to the ear" (something I see thrown around a lot by stand up supporters). Elevator music is pleasing to the ear. Mary had a Little Lamb is pleasing to the ear. Music that's feel-good and pleasing to the ear is a dime a dozen.

Dave Matthews Band is better than that. Good albums can stand up to scrutiny; they don't need to be defended by someone telling you to "be nice" before listening to it. I should be able to pick out sections of music that make me go "WOW!!"--for WHATEVER reason. Good music is pleasing to the SOUL, and DMB just doesn't pull it off on this album.

Very well said! I agree 100%

[alec]

alot of people are going to be eatting their words when these songs are great live :thumbsup

I agree that alot of people will be eating their words, but I fear tat the ones eating their words are the ones that these songs ARE going to be great live.
So far, the 3 we have heard (not including HA) are not very good live. Stand Up, Loussiana Bayou, and American Baby all sound very flat and empty live. I know that as songs, they are all very young, but listen to the first time 'You Never Know' was played live, listen to the first time any of the Lillywhite Sessions songs were played live. They were all great. So far the stand up songs (I know we've only heard 3 of them live) sound like something is missing.

I pray that I am wrong.

[Gex714]

One day everyone is going to wake up and realize..."Hey, everyone can have an opinion...and that's actually OK."

^ That applies to everything, not just this CD or this band. No amount of arguing or discussing is going to change someone's mind if they already like it or dislike it, just like Republicans and Democrats will be yelling at each other until the world ends.

I'm all for open discussion and I think this site is AWESOME, and I think the band is awesome. But I also think that if you like BTCS better, go listen to it. If you wanna listen to Stand Up, listen to Stand Up. I just feel like everyone gets so ANGRY. I think the boys would just tell us to chill and listen to whatever we like best - no one is right or wrong.

[IlliniDave]

Alright, I'm just going to throw in my two cents about this album as I've read a large number of posts on people's feelings with this new album. First off, let me say that even though this is my first post, I've been a fan since UTTAD and I've been a die-hard since. I'll admit that like many I was a bit perplexed by the selection of producer for this album just because I didn't really see how a guy that produced an album for pop/hip-hop acts such as 50 cent could possibly work out with a band like DMB, but I'm very, very happy with this album. For people that are complaining that there isn't enough Carter, solos, etc. I can see where you guys are coming from but isn't that what live concerts are for? I mean I love it when they jam out as much as any other fan, but for albums to work well in the studio, in my opinion, it works better if you have more of a focus. So, for those of you that hate it, or are worried about how it's going to work out live, I wouldn't be too concerned about it, they'll take the best songs from this album and jam the hell out of it live just like they have with every other album. Just enjoy it for what it is, it's not great, and I'm not going to claim that it is, but it's definitely a solid album.

[Bartender2424]

Alright, I'm just going to throw in my two cents about this album as I've read a large number of posts on people's feelings with this new album. First off, let me say that even though this is my first post, I've been a fan since UTTAD and I've been a die-hard since. I'll admit that like many I was a bit perplexed by the selection of producer for this album just because I didn't really see how a guy that produced an album for pop/hip-hop acts such as 50 cent could possibly work out with a band like DMB, but I'm very, very happy with this album. For people that are complaining that there isn't enough Carter, solos, etc. I can see where you guys are coming from but isn't that what live concerts are for? I mean I love it when they jam out as much as any other fan, but for albums to work well in the studio, in my opinion, it works better if you have more of a focus. So, for those of you that hate it, or are worried about how it's going to work out live, I wouldn't be too concerned about it, they'll take the best songs from this album and jam the hell out of it live just like they have with every other album. Just enjoy it for what it is, it's not great, and I'm not going to claim that it is, but it's definitely a solid album.

This is what I say, why would a band make really sick jammed out songs on their album? Think about it, if you could pop in a CD and hear every song play to its upmost potential, why would people be dying to see you live? I know where the guys are coming from and the songs are beautiful. But that damn Mark Batson mixed it and lubed it up with over processed effects and back ups like its some kind of hip hop album. Other than that .... :thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

This is what I say, why would a band make really sick jammed out songs on their album? Think about it, if you could pop in a CD and hear every song play to its upmost potential, why would people be dying to see you live? I know where the guys are coming from and the songs are beautiful. But that damn Mark Batson mixed it and lubed it up with over processed effects and back ups like its some kind of hip hop album. Other than that .... :thumbsup

I agree with you to an extent, yet I think the mini-jams on the studio versions of #41, Rapunzel, Lie In Our Graves, and Typical Situation are very appropriate for the studio albums.

[phunky420]

[QUOTE=MistreatedLewis]But wouldn't you agree that if one were to consider the majority of the lyrics on UTTAD and Crash brilliant the lyrics on BTCS would have to be something less than brilliant? They really aren't as good and nobody complains about that...
QUOTE]

I think if you were to take some of these songs that people are calling cheesy and what not, and put it on say BTCS or UTTAD they wouldnt have the same response.
What???? You throw I Did It on BTCS...and it would of been a major eye sour on that album...PERIOD.