PS3 versus XBOX 360 debate/poll

[dh4645]

So who will win the battle?

and give your thoughts on everything ps3 and xbox 360 related

[dh4645]

nintendo revolution does not count

[BotheDMBFan]

PS3, only because it comes out later.

oh and, XBOX sucks :D

[dh4645]

When will PS3 come out?
At the end of a promotional video played during the PlayStation 3 launch event, the words “Spring 2006” were displayed on the screen – thus implying the console will be released sometime during this period. When exactly, and to which countries, is currently unknown. The rumors, however, point to a worldwide launch in March 2006.

from
http://www.ps3land.com/faq.php

[dh4645]

other things i've read/heard

PS3 will be 35x more powerful than the PlayStation 2

the PS3 will be 2x more powerful than the Xbox 360 and 15x more powerful than the Nintendo Revolution is predicted to be.

[BotheDMBFan]

u know, that same thing is going on with the new RCHP album "Stadium Arcadium" the date for release kept jumping around.

but PS# is supposed to come out in Late March, Early April.

[Mave Datthews]

More powerful doesn't always mean a "better" system.

[DMBfan41]

whats it gonna be, like $400?

[dh4645]

More powerful doesn't always mean a "better" system.

yeah i totally agree with that. to me it all comes down to games - content & graphics.

we'll have to see, but i still pick the ps3

[dh4645]

whats it gonna be, like $400?

thats how much the "real" 360 cost.

the premium package, not the lame core package

[BotheDMBFan]

yeah i totally agree with that. to me it all comes down to games - content & graphics.

we'll have to see, but i still pick the ps3

PS3's graphics are supposed to be much better than XBOX 360's, and Playstation has always had teh better games, always.

[Mave Datthews]

I haven't really read up on it that much yet, but from what I've been hearing, PS3 is really gonna give XBOX a black eye. Of course, Halo 3 is coming out when PS3 launches, so at least they know how to put up their dukes.

I'm excited to try Revolution though, those controllers look nuts.

[tortoise]

PS3, only because it comes out later.

oh and, XBOX sucks :D

Historically, the earliest system has always been the winner.

NES vs SMS: NES came out first and trounced it
Gameboy vs all other handhelds: Gameboy of course...
Genesis and SNES: the closest race ever, but there's no saying the SNES won definitively.
Playstation, Saturn, N64: Playstation, the first and and destroyed the other two
PS2, XBox, GC: Again, PS2 was first.
DS vs PSP: So far it's all DS, which came first.


And besides, considering the PS3 isn't even out yet, this is a really dumb debate at this point.

[BotheDMBFan]

Historically, the earliest system has always been the winner.

NES vs SMS: NES came out first and trounced it
Gameboy vs all other handhelds: Gameboy of course...
Genesis and SNES: the closest race ever, but there's no saying the SNES won definitively.
Playstation, Saturn, N64: Playstation, the first and and destroyed the other two
PS2, XBox, GC: Again, PS2 was first.
DS vs PSP: So far it's all DS, which came first.


And besides, considering the PS3 isn't even out yet, this is a really dumb debate at this point.

yeah but we're bored.

ps love the meatwad avatar, have you heard "The Mouse and the Mask" by Danger Doom?

[tortoise]

the mouse and the what by whom? :)

No I haven't, is it Aqua Teens related?

[BotheDMBFan]

the mouse and the what by whom? :)

No I haven't, is it Aqua Teens related?

very, it's rap about Adult Swim.

now I'm not a huge Rap fan, but this is good.

Shakes gets all pised off, easily one of the best albums of the year.

[Dancing Ants]

Hideo Kojima, the guy who made Metal Gear Solid says that he believes, as a game designer, that 360 can match whatever PS3 can do.

[tortoise]

very, it's rap about Adult Swim.

now I'm not a huge Rap fan, but this is good.

Shakes gets all pised off, easily one of the best albums of the year.

Cool, I just bought it off itunes. Be listening to it in a few. Thanks for the tip, this does look interesting.


Ummmm, as for the topic. I do think the 360 is going to maintain its momentum and handle the PS3 launch very well and be a strong competitor if not #1 this generation.

[dh4645]

I haven't really read up on it that much yet, but from what I've been hearing, PS3 is really gonna give XBOX a black eye. Of course, Halo 3 is coming out when PS3 launches, so at least they know how to put up their dukes.

I'm excited to try Revolution though, those controllers look nuts.

yeah thats a great idea to launch halo 3 against the ps3, but the problem is getting everything done on the game in time and not releasing it early with bugs just because the ps3 is coming out.

i also read that it's possible that microsoft will decrease the price on the xbox 360 on the ps3 launch. that most likely wont happen though because the ps3 will be out in a few months and i cant see the price decreasing already...especially since the next main shipment of 360's isnt for a few months and alot of people are still willing to pay retail (or more....see ebay)

[gbs3769]

Historically, the earliest system has always been the winner.

If you really want to break it down, we can. Winning console is in italics. There has yet to be a generation of consoles where the first one released has won the system wars. It has typically been the second released console with the exception of the 16 and 32 bit eras.

First Generation Consoles
Magnavox Odyssey (May 1972)
Atari Pong (1975)
Coleco Telstar (1976)

Pre-1983 8-bit Consoles
Fairchild Channel F (1976)
Atari 2600 (1977)
Intellivision (1980)
Magnavox Odyssey 2(1978)
Atari 5200 (1982)

8-bit Consoles
Atari 7800 (1984)
Nintendo Entertainment System (1985)
Sega Master System (1986)
Commodore C64GS (1990)

16-bit Consoles
Sega Genesis (January 1989)
NEC TurboGraphix 16 (September 1989)
Super Nintendo (1991)*

32-bit
Commodore Amiga CD32 (1993)
3DO Interactive Multiplayer (October 1993)
Sega Saturn (May 1995)
Sony Playstation (September 1995)**

64-bit Consoles
Atari Jaguar (1993)
Nintendo 64 (1996)**

Sixth Generation Consoles
Sega Dreamcast (1999)
Sony Playstation 2 (2000)
Nintendo Gamecube (November 2001)
Microsoft XBox (November 2001)

Seventh Generation Consoles
Microsoft XBox 360 (November 2005)
Nintendo Revolution (Unknown)
Sony Playstation 3 (Unknown)



* With the SuperNintendo/Sega Genesis debate, it was very close but I think in the end I saw more people who were buying SNES than Sega. Regardless this was the closest race of them all.

** The 32-bit/64-bit era is typically lumped together into one generation rather than split as I have here. I think it's interesting to see that there were really only two 64-bit consoles, the N64 and the Jaguar. The Jaguar's early release date and the fact that wasn't exactly a 64-bit machine ultimately doomed it from even competing in this era. In the combined era (32-bit/64-bit) the Sony Playstation clearly is the winner, however in seperated eras the winners are as shown.

- Primo

[dh4645]

If you really want to break it down, we can. Winning console is in italics. There has yet to be a generation of consoles where the first one released has won the system wars. It has typically been the second released console with the exception of the 16 and 32 bit eras.

- Primo

nice info.

:thumbsup

[malarks26]

PS3, only because it comes out later.

oh and, XBOX sucks :D

Agreed, plus I've always been a PS2 guy. My roommate had an XBox a few years back and I didn't care for it or for its controllers. PS3 all the way.

[tortoise]

If you really want to break it down, we can. Winning console is in italics.

I think you're grasping at straws. Including consoles like the 3D0, Fairchild and 7800 is a bit silly. If we have to say "the first is always the winner out of the consoles that actually stand any chance" then whatever, it's still the same general idea. I don't think anyone would say neither the 360 nor PS3 stand a chance.

And the 7800 was released after the NES. It was announced in 1984 but shelved. Atari got bought out, reorganized, and finally they launched it in 1986 in response to the NES being launched in America.

[gbs3769]

Without the Fairchild, you wouldn't have seen the Atari 2600 released when it was released. After seeing the initial popularity of the Fairchild, Atari knew that they had to release it soon otherwise they would see the same thing happen that happend with the intial market after their release of Pong. This was when Atari shopped around for a buyer and Warner Communications bought them for $28 million.

The 3DO was initially a very big thing. It had excellent hardware specifications and had the Sony PlayStation not been released when it was, 3DO could have run away with the marketshare. Lack of third party development also ultimately doomed the 3DO, but it was certainly in the runnings when it was released.

The 7800 was released in select markets in 1984. It was relaunched nationwide in 1986, but there were markets in Southern California where it had been out for a couple of years at that point.

- Primo

[dh4645]

Agreed, plus I've always been a PS2 guy. My roommate had an XBox a few years back and I didn't care for it or for its controllers. PS3 all the way.

another major point is that the ps3 is backwards compatible with every single ps2 and ps1 game. not that i'll be buying ps1 games for it, but i could play my left over ps2 games and a few i have kept from ps1

the xbox 360 will only play a few original xbox games out of the box and you could possibly play some other games if you download and install some sort of drivers.

[tortoise]

The 3DO was initially a very big thing. It had excellent hardware specifications and had the Sony PlayStation not been released when it was, 3DO could have run away with the marketshare.


At a launch price of $700 in 1993, the 3DO was doomed to be an expensive paperweight from the getgo. This would be like the XBox 360 launching at $1000 and expecting to take off.

The Neo Geo trounced all over the Genesis and Super Nintendo. But at a launch price of $800 and starting game prices of $200 each, it too was doomed to be niche (of course, it continued being niche for the next 15 years, but that's another story)


The 7800 was released in select markets in 1984. It was relaunched nationwide in 1986, but there were markets in Southern California where it had been out for a couple of years at that point.


Really? I've never heard that. AtariAge (http://www.atariage.com/7800/history.html) disagrees, claiming the Tramiel's buying Atari caused licensing renegotiations prevented it from launching.

[tompeas13]

this is probably the most interesting thread in awhile.

[gbs3769]

Really? I've never heard that. AtariAge (http://www.atariage.com/7800/history.html) disagrees, claiming the Tramiel's buying Atari caused licensing renegotiations prevented it from launching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_7800

There was a Southern California test market in June 1984. After Tramiel bought Atari he decided to pull the plug on hardware projects until they saw the success of the NES at which time they re-released the 7800.

- Primo

[watchtower41]

Kinda pointless to have this argument when nobody has even seen a screenshot from ps3, let alone a release date. The preview vid is one thing, but thats all Sony has to hang its hat on right now, meanwhile people all over the country are craving an 360, and once youve played it, you want it even more. I very highly doubt you will see the ps3 in the U.S. any earlier than Sept. Info and pre-sales would already be out by now if it was hoping to get released in the Spring. Dead Or Alive 4 just came out and that's just the beginning for an impressive run of 360 titles. By ps3 release, blockbuster games such as Saints Row, Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Gears of War, and Halo 3 will all be must-own titles for 360 with unlimited hype. Xbox definitely took the right approach this time by beating ps3 the exact same way ps2 beat the original xbox. When push comes to shove, its all about the games. This time however, its Sony that will have to constanly play catch up to Xbox.Grand Theft saved PS2, otherwise I could have easily seen the original xbox and Halo dominate, and considering how much they were behind from the start, the console certainly didnt fail. Playstation has its name to rely on, right now, they can only hope that is enough. Think about PS2's game library and how many 3rd party games are exclusive at this point?? Developers have taken notice and that is not the only reason why 360 is getting so many confirmations for titles.

[BDJCL3]

Sony is being very smart by waiting. I fear Dreamcast-esque results from the 360.

[SteelerMan]

I wish I still had my Saturn...

[watchtower41]

Sony is being very smart by waiting. I fear Dreamcast-esque results from the 360.


Sony didnt have a choice but to wait, PS3 was not ready then, and not anywhere near ready now. Microsoft just beat them to the punch, once hat was known as a forgone conclusion is when PS3 started to focus on adding more bells and whistles such as BluRay, which by the way, is not confirmed as of yet.

[gbs3769]

I wish I still had my Saturn...
http://video-games.search.ebay.com/sega-saturn_W0QQa14Z24230QQalistZa14QQcatrefZC12QQfromZ R40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQgcsZ1134QQpfidZ1412QQpfmodeZ2 QQreqtypeZ1QQsacatZQ2d100

- Primo

[flyer3468]

I don't really know the specs on each one, but I'm going to get a PS3 simply for Metal Gear Solid 4. Other than that, I could care less how powerful one is to another. Graphics and all that are not important to me as a great games are.

[Martial14]

kinda hard to vote with only one system out

[d+ter]

kinda hard to vote on such a vague question. who will win the battle? what's the criteria? more systems sold? more games sold? ....seems like (as with most everything around here) it'll just come down to personal preference. and my personal preference is........$400 is way too much money to spend on this stuff. i'll take a revolution and have more fun than i would have had with either of those two.

[DMBfan41]

The first system to go under $200, thats the one i'll buy

[MikeTheStone]

Well...considering the processors of both systems, the XBOX 360 completely stomps on the PS3...hands down the 360 is better...now if only the price will come down I can get one

[dh4645]

Well...considering the processors of both systems, the XBOX 360 completely stomps on the PS3...hands down the 360 is better...now if only the price will come down I can get one

how's that?
i really don't know...not being a smart ass

[Markt23]

I'm going to get a PS3 for sure thats all I care about.

[OCMarsh]

To say one is dramatically better than the other is nonsense. They will both have an equal amount of pros and cons. If you're asking which system will be more successful this generation.... I'd probably go with the PS3. I think the XBox will win the battle here in America, but the PS3 will dominate in Japan.


Sidenote: The PS3 will not be released this Spring. Sony is saying "2006" for a release, but they aren't specifying if the US is included in that. I'm guessing it will come out in Japan this summer and it will hit our shores around Christmas. As far as a pricepoint, it's hard to tell. It will have a Blu-Ray player in it which costs about $1000. You do the math.

[dmbphan041]

it'll be all about the nintendo revo

[Live 1966!]

I plan on buying both, by the way, i've got some spare time today, do you think the XBox 360 demand has cooled enough for me to find one at a best buy?

[tortoise]

I plan on buying both, by the way, i've got some spare time today, do you think the XBox 360 demand has cooled enough for me to find one at a best buy?

Seems like a question most easily answered with a call to your local Best Buy.

[DMBBeav]

Historically, the earliest system has always been the winner.

NES vs SMS: NES came out first and trounced it
Gameboy vs all other handhelds: Gameboy of course...
Genesis and SNES: the closest race ever, but there's no saying the SNES won definitively.
Playstation, Saturn, N64: Playstation, the first and and destroyed the other two
PS2, XBox, GC: Again, PS2 was first.
DS vs PSP: So far it's all DS, which came first.


And besides, considering the PS3 isn't even out yet, this is a really dumb debate at this point.

This is wrong. Saturn came out first and got destroyed and, remember, Dreamcast came out before PS2 and was the official deathkneel for Sega in the console biz.

Here is what is up. PS3 is going to be more powerful than the 360, even more powerful than the Xbox is to the PS2. Couple that with the fact that Sony has the better game selection(Microsoft, in fact, no longer makes games first party) and Sony is looking pretty good.

However, all signs point to Microsoft still having the better online play and they have a little game named Halo that, hello, might sell a few units by itself. Also, when the PS3 launches it is not going to be the better deal. In other words, in October / November of '06 when it launches(trust me on this one) the cheaper system with the better games is going to be Microsoft. However, the Sony 1st party games that will be out by the end of '07 will make Sony the more attractive package at that time.

In the end, 360 will be the system for FPS and online play. Playstation 3 will be the place for everything else. Revolution is the total dark horse in this race, but expect it to find itself with its own nice market share that doesn't really effect Microsoft or Sony.

[Live 1966!]

Seems like a question most easily answered with a call to your local Best Buy.

touche

[dh4645]

Seems like a question most easily answered with a call to your local Best Buy.

haha

i doubt it though...people are on the waiting lists for the next shipment, which is like march or something

[dh4645]

I wish I still had my Saturn...

i never had a saturn.
i've had an atari 2600, the NES, game boy (original), sega, ps1 and ps2...and of course a PC.

[musket015]

i went with ps3 ive had the original and ps2. xbox is great to with xbox live but il stick with play station

[GoodDayIIDie]

nintendo revolution does not count



*takes a poop on post*

Dumbass.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Historically, the earliest system has always been the winner.
Playstation, Saturn, N64: Playstation, the first and and destroyed the other two



You're definitely wrong here. The Sega Saturn was released by Sega six months ahead of schedule here in the States. And they did not win the console war of the late 90's.

[saintjohnsriver]

you can hack the xbox to be a computer

[yankees51]

Sony will win, no question. During the last "console war," PS2 sold some 100 million units, and Xbox came in second with...22 million. Hell, Sony's already won -- Microsoft is only still around because they have deep pockets and want to keep a foothold in the industry.

That said, if/when I get one of these things, I'll be getting a 360 because a) I have an original Xbox, and I'll be able to play (some of) the games I have, and b) I love Elder Scrolls games, and Oblivion is only for PC and 360. (My PC isn't nearly new enough for it.) I'm gonna wait for the price to go way down, though.

[Fishbulb290]

Playstation 3 will fail if it costs too much money. I don't think there is anyone that will disagree with that statement. If 500+ is that cost I don't see too many people wanting to buy one.

PS3 has some things that I am excited for: the 7 player wireless for some sports games. I can see that as being a really nice update for the Madden games which are growing VERY stale over the years. My favorite game for PS2 was Snake Eater so of course I'm looking forward to MGS4 since that series has had some of the best graphics/story/gameplay compared to the other games in the same facet. If they can do something new with the GTA series without just adding nudity and cursing I could see it really helping out PS3 but alas if they only decide to add more controversy and less depth it will hurt the system.

Nintendo has always had a really nice niche in the industry with it's kid's games along with legions of Zelda/Mario fans so if it's cheaper than the other one's which it probably will be I might think about getting one. The biggest problem is I have seen their new controllers and frankly I think they suck big time. I don't see how it will be comfortable to play a game any length over an hour where you constantly have to move your hand and make all sorts of movements just to get your character to do what you want. I can see that it is a good idea and definitely an original idea but will it work?? Only time will tell...

Xbox, the only game that this system has ever had is Halo. You can say what you want about that statement but I think Halo is the only game that validates spending 400 on a new system. The graphics are nice but everyone should know by now that graphics don't make the system the games do. One reason people still play "obsolete" systems the games are replayable and still fun even if the graphics are terrible.

[dh4645]

Playstation 3 will fail if it costs too much money. I don't think there is anyone that will disagree with that statement. If 500+ is that cost I don't see too many people wanting to buy one.

...graphics are nice but everyone should know by now that graphics don't make the system the games do. One reason people still play "obsolete" systems the games are replayable and still fun even if the graphics are terrible.

i agree with both of these statements

[Tanner Wittland]

i'd just stick with the N64 and games like 007 goldeneye, and mario kart and all one hundred mario parties. theres some others that are good but dont compare to those. i judt use my friends to play xbox and ps2. cuz im a cheapskate like that.

[tortoise]

I wish I still had my Saturn...

My Saturn is one of my favorite consoles. I play it just as much as anything.

The key to the saturn is import games :)

[CSNY2K2]

Also the PS3 will have a Blu-Ray DVD Drive (Blu-Ray DVD are DVD's in High Def, along with Uncompressed Dobly HD, and Dts HD Surround and 1,080 lines of resolution) Even just Blu-Ray Disc Players will cost around $1,000, and they should hit around this summer. (Reg Dvd's have only 480 lines of resolution, and compressed Dolby and DTS surround) Even though Xbox will offer the other HD DVD drive (High Def DVD, its called), Blu Ray disc's will beat out HD Dvd's because Blu-Ray offers so much more storage space than Hd DVD, and it offers more options in the future.. The Video market is just like the High Resolution Music Market (DVD Audio/SACD) with 2 formats completing, Blu Ray though should beat HD DVD....

[dh4645]

Also the PS3 will have a Blu-Ray DVD Drive (Blu-Ray DVD are DVD's in High Def, along with Uncompressed Dobly HD, and Dts HD Surround and 1,080 lines of resolution) Even just Blu-Ray Disc Players will cost around $1,000, and they should hit around this summer. (Reg Dvd's have only 480 lines of resolution, and compressed Dolby and DTS surround) Even though Xbox will offer the other HD DVD drive (High Def DVD, its called), Blu Ray disc's will beat out HD Dvd's because Blu-Ray offers so much more storage space than Hd DVD, and it offers more options in the future.. The Video market is just like the High Resolution Music Market (DVD Audio/SACD) with 2 formats completing, Blu Ray though should beat HD DVD....

yeah, i've said that all along to my friends.

[dmbkid08]

xbox 360

[Fishbulb290]

I know they are supposed to have a blu-ray player in it but how is that going to be cost feasable. It really makes no sense that they could do that and still make money on this thing without selling it for 500-700 dollars.

The "average" gamer will NOT spend that much money on a system when there are two others available for much less money.

[MontaukNY]

When will PS3 come out?
At the end of a promotional video played during the PlayStation 3 launch event, the words “Spring 2006” were displayed on the screen – thus implying the console will be released sometime during this period. When exactly, and to which countries, is currently unknown. The rumors, however, point to a worldwide launch in March 2006.

from
http://www.ps3land.com/faq.php

i wouldn't doubt the first big ad goes on the air during the super bowl. it'll probably have the exact relase date.

[MontaukNY]

I know they are supposed to have a blu-ray player in it but how is that going to be cost feasable. It really makes no sense that they could do that and still make money on this thing without selling it for 500-700 dollars.

The "average" gamer will NOT spend that much money on a system when there are two others available for much less money.

they can actually sell the sytems for a small loss if they wanted. everyone has to buy a game for it, they'll just make up for it by jacking up the price of the games.

[Fishbulb290]

they can actually sell the sytems for a small loss if they wanted. everyone has to buy a game for it, they'll just make up for it by jacking up the price of the games.

I know they can end up making money just from sheer volume but Blu-ray's cost A LOT of money right now(over 4x as much than a DVD). too much money for them to even make sense to put it in a system. Because of that they might also have to raise the price of games which will in turn also lose a lot of would be buyers...

[DMBBeav]

I know they can end up making money just from sheer volume but Blu-ray's cost A LOT of money right now(over 4x as much than a DVD). too much money for them to even make sense to put it in a system. Because of that they might also have to raise the price of games which will in turn also lose a lot of would be buyers...

Trust me on this

1) System, in no form, will cost over $500(think $499.99 for one 'gold' package, $399.99 for basic)
2) Games will cost $60.

Consoles never make money off of the console, especially on inital launch. They make money on the games. Sony didn't start making money on PS2 console sales until this past year.

[dh4645]

Trust me on this

1) System, in no form, will cost over $500(think $499.99 for one 'gold' package, $399.99 for basic)
2) Games will cost $60.

Consoles never make money off of the console, especially on inital launch. They make money on the games. Sony didn't start making money on PS2 console sales until this past year.

wow, not until last year...thats crazy.
i guess that just goes to show ya an expensive console still sells and in turn helps sell lots of games.

wow 73% to ps3.
thats a nice margin of victory...so far. only 96 people voted. not as large of a sample population as i would have liked.

[Fishbulb290]

Trust me on this

1) System, in no form, will cost over $500(think $499.99 for one 'gold' package, $399.99 for basic)
2) Games will cost $60.

Consoles never make money off of the console, especially on inital launch. They make money on the games. Sony didn't start making money on PS2 console sales until this past year.

And that's my point not a lot of people will want to pay that much for a game system. Which in turn with a price drop of the 360 coupled with the release of the PS3 will hurt the sales. I don't really know what the demographics are but I doubt a lot of people who would buy it even have the 600 you would spend on the system/games/controllers etc...

[King Crimson]

PS3 comes out the same day as HALO 3.

.XBOX.

[DMBBeav]

PS3 comes out the same day as HALO 3.

.XBOX.

Halo 3 comes out the same day as PS3. There is a difference.

[Fishbulb290]

Everyone will buy Halo just for the name but if it's unimpressive I don't think it's going to make a dent in PS3 sales.

[DMBBeav]

Everyone will buy Halo just for the name but if it's unimpressive I don't think it's going to make a dent in PS3 sales.

Well, it is a very strategic move because, on name value alone. Playstation sells way more than XBox. When PS3 comes out, however, the better buy at that moment will be a 360, hands down. 360 will have a years worth of games and will also say 'hey, we have the game this holiday season. And guess what? You can by the 360 and Halo in store in time for XMas. PS3s are only available on E-Bay."

Which is the better buy two years later, or even one year later, is a different story altogether.

[robbins876]

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Japanese software developers that will be programming for the PS3. Some of the best development houses in the gaming industry are purely Japanese, and many, as I've read, prefer the PS3 architechture. I have no clue who will win, but I know that sexy little silver box with it's blu-ray discs and boomerang controllers will be next to my TV this spring. XBOX is worth nothing more than playing my Divx at this point!

[watchtower41]

Halo 3 comes out the same day as PS3. There is a difference.


This is now somewhat in question with Mr. Gates' latest remarks stating the game will come out when the Bungie team is ready to put it out, they want to make sure the game is everything it can be (remember Halo 2 took over 2 years to complete) and they don't want to rush an unfinished product. That being said, I'd point to a Halo 3 release sometime around a year from now to coinside with the Halo movie release. As far as using Halo 3 to combat PS3, it won't matter. 360 will already have at least 4 maybe 5 must own titles out and thriving by the time PS3 even hits the shelves, let alone be widely available for purchase. People tend to forget that when PS3 first comes out, it is almost certain to be limited in supply much like 360 was for launch. When people go to Best Buy and are not able to find a $500 PS3 available, but a stack of 360's for more than $100 less, it will be a no-brainer to make the switch for many. A big back breaker for PS3 is also losing its exclusive Grand Theft license. The next Grand Theft will NOT be in stores anytime this year, but when it does hit next year, it will be released on 360 and PS3 on the same day. This was pretty much the only game that was keeping ps2 afloat after Halo made it so big.

[watchtower41]

Everyone seems to be overlooking the Japanese software developers that will be programming for the PS3. Some of the best development houses in the gaming industry are purely Japanese, and many, as I've read, prefer the PS3 architechture. I have no clue who will win, but I know that sexy little silver box with it's blu-ray discs and boomerang controllers will be next to my TV this spring. XBOX is worth nothing more than playing my Divx at this point!


Not sure of what "Japense Game Developers" that you speak of, the developers of the prized Metal Gear series have already come out and said, that there is nothing that PS3 will be capable of that 360 cannot do. Sony is still trying to cover thier azz for that "vote of confidence." Tecmo has also made statements on how they couldnt be happier with working soley on 360 for the Dead or Alive series.

[MontaukNY]

^^ i'm still gonna go with the PS3 for GTA. I've already got it down with that controler and the PS3 is gonna kick ass on some of the 360's specs since they have more time to see what 360's got and improve on it.
I also don't think Sony is gonna F* up the release like microsoft did. XBOX wasn't ready for market yet. they didn't have enough units to sell and a lot of them kept crashing. Being able to prevent those two factors alone will help sony's sales

[Fishbulb290]

Does anyone know the percentage of 360's that crapped out. I think it was like 3% or something. So far I know of 2 people directly who have to send theirs in...

[JimiThang1]

nintendo revolution does not count
Why not? This poll is worthless without it...

[OCMarsh]

^^ i'm still gonna go with the PS3 for GTA. I've already got it down with that controler and the PS3 is gonna kick ass on some of the 360's specs since they have more time to see what 360's got and improve on it.
I also don't think Sony is gonna F* up the release like microsoft did. XBOX wasn't ready for market yet. they didn't have enough units to sell and a lot of them kept crashing. Being able to prevent those two factors alone will help sony's sales

I agree and disagree. The 360 was rushed to the market. There were only a few games truly ready for launch day and of those games most were ports of PC or XBox 1 games. And MS clearly wasn't ready to ship out enough units. They obviously felt the need to be on the market by Christmas so they could get a huge hype bubble. The succeeded in getting the hype, but in so doing they also drew attention to their problems.


But as far as the 2% to 5% (depending on who you talk to) of units dying, that is typical launch fare. I'll be surprised if the PS3 is any different. The 360 itself is a fine piece of equipment.

[DMBBeav]

This is now somewhat in question with Mr. Gates' latest remarks stating the game will come out when the Bungie team is ready to put it out, they want to make sure the game is everything it can be (remember Halo 2 took over 2 years to complete) and they don't want to rush an unfinished product. That being said, I'd point to a Halo 3 release sometime around a year from now to coinside with the Halo movie release. As far as using Halo 3 to combat PS3, it won't matter. 360 will already have at least 4 maybe 5 must own titles out and thriving by the time PS3 even hits the shelves, let alone be widely available for purchase. People tend to forget that when PS3 first comes out, it is almost certain to be limited in supply much like 360 was for launch. When people go to Best Buy and are not able to find a $500 PS3 available, but a stack of 360's for more than $100 less, it will be a no-brainer to make the switch for many. A big back breaker for PS3 is also losing its exclusive Grand Theft license. The next Grand Theft will NOT be in stores anytime this year, but when it does hit next year, it will be released on 360 and PS3 on the same day. This was pretty much the only game that was keeping ps2 afloat after Halo made it so big.

If XBox doesn't have Halo(and I bet they will) for PS3 launch, they will have something else that they will hype up.

I agree with you, by the way. 360 will be the better buy when the PS3 hits(said it in past posts) and there will be a shortage of PS3s...even though, not the shortage that 360 had(that was a created shortage).

I want to stress a few things / comments. Also, I hate lists but here we go:

1) Someone mentioned that the PS3 will be sitting next to their TV this spring. Trust me, it won't. Maybe by Christmas.
2) PS3 is more powerful than 360 in a bigger way than Xbox is more powerful than PS2. Hideo Kojima must have been misquoted(which often happens in translation) and might have meant that MSG4 could be done on the 360.
3) PS2 was not saved by GTA. PS2 has a huge lead over Xbox. However, the GTA franchise certainly helped.
4) All launches come across as sloppy, but the 360's launch was exceptionally sloppy and mishandled. Sony will not repeat this mistake.
5) Don't count GTA out for this year...but even if it isn't(which is more likely the case), the guns are fully loaded for the PS3 launch. The Xbox launch had how many must owns?

Again you are right, by the time PS3 hits, 360 will have better games than Sony. But in a world of must own toys, PS3 will be the sexier opition regardless this holiday season.

[MontaukNY]

^^Amen!

also, is there any hint yet at what the next GTA game will be like? i can't wait!

[DMBBeav]

^^Amen!

also, is there any hint yet at what the next GTA game will be like? i can't wait!

I will point you in the direction of the Getaway, PS3 clip. Now picture that, but in GTA world.

These next gen systems can be soooo detailed it is ridiculous. You could literally create a small town with details as specific as what is in the drawer in a desk in an office and have the entire town have complete rooms, furnishing, etc...The trick is having enough artists / programmers on staff to coordinate all this shit, but the hardware is capable of it.

Rockstar is really good at getting their games out quickly and they have 100% thought of GTA PS3 for over a year now. I am positive they are hard at work on it right now, so it is all about how much work is going into it. Realistically, it won't be out until Fall 2007(next gen games have a long development cycle), but I wouldn't be surprised if it is shown in video form at E3 in May.

[OCMarsh]

These next gen systems can be soooo detailed it is ridiculous. You could literally create a small town with details as specific as what is in the drawer in a desk in an office and have the entire town have complete rooms, furnishing, etc...The trick is having enough artists / programmers on staff to coordinate all this shit, but the hardware is capable of it.

Or an entire world, as in Oblivion. There is a reason it has taken them nearly 4 years to get it together.

[Fishbulb290]

I am also very excited for the next GTA but if the only difference is nudity and cursing(San Andreas) I am going to be very dissapointed.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Not sure of what "Japense Game Developers" that you speak of, the developers of the prized Metal Gear series have already come out and said, that there is nothing that PS3 will be capable of that 360 cannot do.



Well, I can name for you the four most important game developers in the world that aren't already named "Nintendo" and "Sega": Konami, Capcom, Squaresoft and Enix. By and large, these guys put out the greatest games we've ever played on systems that aren't named X-box, with a few rare exceptions. Like alot of other people, I'm following them.

[dh4645]

Again you are right, by the time PS3 hits, 360 will have better games than Sony. But in a world of must own toys, PS3 will be the sexier opition regardless this holiday season.


i agree with this

[Tomriddle]

The 360

[gbs3769]

Well, I can name for you the four most important game developers in the world that aren't already named "Nintendo" and "Sega": Konami, Capcom, Squaresoft and Enix. By and large, these guys put out the greatest games we've ever played on systems that aren't named X-box, with a few rare exceptions. Like alot of other people, I'm following them.
Square and Enix have been one company, Square Enix, since 2003.

- Primo

[dmbphan041]

PS3 article

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html

not sure if I should stick with my ps2 or try to get rid of it. I'll probably only get like $100 for the system and all my games. What should I do?

[Mave Datthews]

Halo 3 comes out the same day as PS3. There is a difference.wow...

I get your point, and you're correct, actually... but it really doesn't matter. :freak I think that's what they meant anyway.


Anyway, I've been slackin'. I need to read up more on the PS3 to see how it's gonna fare against 360. From what I've heard, it'll do VERY well, if not better.

I'm excited. :thumbsup

[dh4645]

PS3 article

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html

not sure if I should stick with my ps2 or try to get rid of it. I'll probably only get like $100 for the system and all my games. What should I do?


yeah i read that article last year.

i'm not sure i totally understand your question, but stick with your ps2 until the ps3 comes out

[Mave Datthews]

Okay - so I just read up on the PS3 a little bit here: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html and it's looking REALLY nice.

IGN lists their Top Ten reasons why the PS3 might be a better choice than the 360, and those reasons sound pret-ty good to me too.

We shall see... only time (and paychecks) will tell what I'll get.

[Fishbulb290]

I think he means since the PS3 wil play PS2 games try to sell it now so you can get money because when the PS3 comes out the value will go down. I say sell it if you don't play it that much but it might be a WHILE before you can play the PS3 even if it does come out soon you can't guarantee getting one.

[Mave Datthews]

I think he means since the PS3 wil play PS2 games try to sell it now so you can get money because when the PS3 comes out the value will go down. I say sell it if you don't play it that much but it might be a WHILE before you can play the PS3 even if it does come out soon you can't guarantee getting one.

... unless (maybe) you pre-order... like, RIGHT NOW.

[DMBBeav]

I think he means since the PS3 wil play PS2 games try to sell it now so you can get money because when the PS3 comes out the value will go down. I say sell it if you don't play it that much but it might be a WHILE before you can play the PS3 even if it does come out soon you can't guarantee getting one.

You won't get that much cash for your PS2 to really make it worth selling. I got the slim one last year and only got $70 store credit for my original PS2.

Why not just pick up a $20 greatest hits? Or a used copy of God of War / Shadow of the Colossus / RE 4?

[dmbphan041]

You won't get that much cash for your PS2 to really make it worth selling. I got the slim one last year and only got $70 store credit for my original PS2.

Why not just pick up a $20 greatest hits? Or a used copy of God of War / Shadow of the Colossus / RE 4?

both are *really* good options

reasons why I'm probably gunna hang on to my ps2

1) Ill have something to do in college
2) Arena Football Game
3) Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams
4) The Sonic Greatest Hits + game
5) as seen with the X360, ps3 is boud to have a glitch or two initially.

[Fishbulb290]

... unless (maybe) you pre-order... like, RIGHT NOW.

pre-orders arent always guaranteed. I'm not sure if Best Buy does preorders but I doubt it. I was one of the first to preorder a PS2 at ebgames and didn't get one right away.

[Fishbulb290]

You won't get that much cash for your PS2 to really make it worth selling. I got the slim one last year and only got $70 store credit for my original PS2.

Why not just pick up a $20 greatest hits? Or a used copy of God of War / Shadow of the Colossus / RE 4?

maybe put all that store credit towards a PS3?? That would make the most sense.

[dh4645]

when do pre-orders start??

[d+ter]

i had a buddy ask if he could pre-order and they told him it would be $700.

[dmbphan041]

i had a buddy ask if he could pre-order and they told him it would be $700.

OH.:eek MY.:eek GAWD.:eek

[DMBBeav]

i had a buddy ask if he could pre-order and they told him it would be $700.

That is either false or stupid. I don't have any idea why a store would do that. The system won't cost near $700.

[d+ter]

$500 isn't near $700?

[Fishbulb290]

$500 isn't near $700?

If you go to some places they will charge more. When I bought my PS2 I payed 350.00$ and 70.00$ a game. When the suggested price was only 300.00. And you are right 500 is near 700.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Square and Enix have been one company, Square Enix, since 2003.

- Primo

You're absolutely right, that totally slipped my mind.

[GoodDayIIDie]

not sure if I should stick with my ps2 or try to get rid of it. I'll probably only get like $100 for the system and all my games. What should I do?


DO NOT TAKE IT TO A GAMING RETAILER. THEY WILL PUT IT IN YOUR BUTT AND NOT EVEN HAVE THE COURTESY TO GIVE YOU A REACHAROUND.

You're much better off selling your stuff individually off of Amazon or a similar online retailer. It's more work, but you'll make way moremoney, especially if you're patient.

[DMBBeav]

$500 isn't near $700?

I can guarantee that the current plan right now is not above $500. And no. there are different classes of expensive and $700 is not as easy to think about spending for a consumer as $500. By the way, don't be shocked if it is identical to XBox 360 pricing...

Therefore, the $700 is a ripoff. It could be $700 and we will give you the difference when it doesn't cost $700(makes sense...certainly would cut back on people ordering 3 in their town and selling 2 of them on ebay) but it won't be that much.

Sony also has yet to give any sort of details to retailers on selling preorders...which isn't to say it isn't happening...but no one officially knows anything yet. Retailers can take preorders and handle their business their own way.

[GoodDayIIDie]

A $700 pre-order sounds like a "package" deal that a company like Lamestop or EB Shames would try to push on you. They tell you a new system will cost you $700 because they are including an extra control, some games, a memory card or some other accesories.

In other words, they're just greedy assholes that are dying to exploit consumer demand. "A new game system costs $300-500, let's package it with a bunch other 3rd-party, 2nd-rate accessories and Otaru Bluepants Submarine F, a game we just gave perfect scores in the video game mag we also publish. The flock of collective sheep that comprises our clientele will be more than happy to tack another $1000 onto the Great American Debt they have already amassed on our other overpriced shit they got for such a great deal. What's that, you have a Miyamoto auto-graphed copy of the Famicom edition of Super Mario Brothers 2? We'll give you $1.75 in-store credit for it, but you could get $2.15 for it if you subscribe to our gaming mag for $14."

Goat fuckers....:violent

[Dr. Strangelove]

That is either false or stupid. I don't have any idea why a store would do that. The system won't cost near $700.The thing is though, PS3 supports Blu-Ray HD disks. This is a plus, in my opinion. Most movie companies are going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD (which 360 will support). The thing is though, the Blu-Ray drives are much more expensive. The stand-alone Blu-Ray players are expected to start at $500-$1000. So really, I could see the PS3 being $700 since it's a Blu-Ray player plus a gaming system.

[Fishbulb290]

A $700 pre-order sounds like a "package" deal that a company like Lamestop or EB Shames would try to push on you. They tell you a new system will cost you $700 because they are including an extra control, some games, a memory card or some other accesories.

In other words, they're just greedy assholes that are dying to exploit consumer demand. "A new game system costs $300-500, let's package it with a bunch other 3rd-party, 2nd-rate accessories and Otaru Bluepants Submarine F, a game we just gave perfect scores in the video game mag we also publish. The flock of collective sheep that comprises our clientele will be more than happy to tack another $1000 onto the Great American Debt they have already amassed on our other overpriced shit they got for such a great deal. What's that, you have a Miyamoto auto-graphed copy of the Famicom edition of Super Mario Brothers 2? We'll give you $1.75 in-store credit for it, but you could get $2.15 for it if you subscribe to our gaming mag for $14."

Goat fuckers....:violent

So in other words you don't like these companies.:lol

[dh4645]

The thing is though, PS3 supports Blu-Ray HD disks. This is a plus, in my opinion. Most movie companies are going with Blu-Ray over HD-DVD (which 360 will support). The thing is though, the Blu-Ray drives are much more expensive. The stand-alone Blu-Ray players are expected to start at $500-$1000. So really, I could see the PS3 being $700 since it's a Blu-Ray player plus a gaming system.

yeah i can see that, but i hope it's only $400-500

[dh4645]

http://www.ps3land.com/news/article239.php

Game stores start PS3 game preorders

Gamestop and EBGames have started preordering video games for the coming PS3 console. Both retailers are preordering for $59.99 and have a shipping date of October 1st 2006 except for the long awaited Metal Gear Solid 4 who has a date of December 1st 2006.

This is very good news because it means that Sony has spoken to major retailers and announced an approximate release date of Fall 2006 for the PS3 in North America.

Here is a full list of games available for preorders:
I-8
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Dark Sector
Devil May Cry 4
Dirty Harry
Dog Tag
Eyedentify
Fifth Phantom Saga
Fight Night Round 3
Formula 1
Gundam World
Heavenly Sword
Indiana Jones
Killing Day
Killzone 2
Metal Gear Solid 4
Metronome
MotorStorm
NioH
Peter Jackson’s King Kong
Possession
Project Delta
Psychopath
Scarface: The World is Yours
Spider-Man 3
Stranglehold
Tekken
The Darkness
The Getaway 3
Theseis
Vision Gran Turismo
Warhawk

[tortoise]

5) as seen with the X360, ps3 is boud to have a glitch or two initially.

Or a glitch or two initially and from then on. This is Sony afterall.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Here is a full list of games available for preorders:....



If all of those games manage to come out within a month of each other, Sony may make history this year with the single greatest system launch ever.

[dh4645]

If all of those games manage to come out within a month of each other, Sony may make history this year with the single greatest system launch ever.


i'd have to agree

[dh4645]

any other news?

any more problems with the 360?

i wished they would have had a ps3 commercial during the superbowl last night.

[OCMarsh]

any other news?

any more problems with the 360?

i wished they would have had a ps3 commercial during the superbowl last night.

News? The latest rumor has the PS3 getting a built-in HD-PVR. HD-PVR+Blu-Ray+gaming = $$$$. How they plan to keep this under $500 is beyond me.

Problems with the 360 have extremely exaggerated. MS did a spot on job of drawing attention to their system by producing it in limited quantities. The positive was they got loads of free advertising. The negative was when 4% of them broke down it became a big news story. The 360 is a great machine.

[d+ter]

I can guarantee that the current plan right now is not above $500. And no. there are different classes of expensive and $700 is not as easy to think about spending for a consumer as $500. By the way, don't be shocked if it is identical to XBox 360 pricing...

Therefore, the $700 is a ripoff. It could be $700 and we will give you the difference when it doesn't cost $700(makes sense...certainly would cut back on people ordering 3 in their town and selling 2 of them on ebay) but it won't be that much.

Sony also has yet to give any sort of details to retailers on selling preorders...which isn't to say it isn't happening...but no one officially knows anything yet. Retailers can take preorders and handle their business their own way.
you can't guarantee anything, so don't say that you can.

[DMBBeav]

News? The latest rumor has the PS3 getting a built-in HD-PVR. HD-PVR+Blu-Ray+gaming = $$$$. How they plan to keep this under $500 is beyond me.

Problems with the 360 have extremely exaggerated. MS did a spot on job of drawing attention to their system by producing it in limited quantities. The positive was they got loads of free advertising. The negative was when 4% of them broke down it became a big news story. The 360 is a great machine.

There will not be an HD-PVR because it isn't in the current specs. It will be under $500(again, $499.99 anyone?) for the top end model.

Creating shortages for a hardware launch is nothing new and 4% is a lot of pieces of hardware to breakdown. The 360 is a great machine compared to what is out right now and if you want Halo and spend nights playing online FPS...get a 360.

If you want a system that will have a list of games as show a couple posts back(even though I can guarantee that is more like the highlights of year one, not month one) then save your money for the PS3.

[DMBBeav]

you can't guarantee anything, so don't say that you can.

I can. You can believe me if you want, or don't, I really don't care.

[OCMarsh]

There will not be an HD-PVR because it isn't in the current specs. It will be under $500(again, $499.99 anyone?) for the top end model.

Creating shortages for a hardware launch is nothing new and 4% is a lot of pieces of hardware to breakdown. The 360 is a great machine compared to what is out right now and if you want Halo and spend nights playing online FPS...get a 360.

If you want a system that will have a list of games as show a couple posts back(even though I can guarantee that is more like the highlights of year one, not month one) then save your money for the PS3.

Whatever man, clearly you are biased. But I would like to point out that half of the games off that list are either already out for the 360, coming soon to the 360 or Japan-only for the PS3. Besides MGS I don't see anything to shout about.

And no, 4% is not alot. It is typical launch breakdown issues. The PS2 had it (still does) and the PS3 will to.

[d+ter]

I can. You can believe me if you want, or don't, I really don't care.
no one believes you.

[DMBBeav]

Whatever man, clearly you are biased. But I would like to point out that half of the games off that list are either already out for the 360, coming soon to the 360 or Japan-only for the PS3. Besides MGS I don't see anything to shout about.

And no, 4% is not alot. It is typical launch breakdown issues. The PS2 had it (still does) and the PS3 will to.

When I look at that list, I see 7 games that are PS3 only or, at the very least, will be released for PS3 way before 360. Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo update, Tekken, Warhawk and MGS all sound tasty to me. Killzone had a great trailer, but, obviously, Halo beats Killzone every day of the week.

4% is a lot and, truth be told and at fear of sounding biased(which I certainly am) the number is somewhat higher. I know several people, personally, who had 360 problems. But lets say this is 4%. This isn't 4% with defects(such as the PS2's laser eventually crapping out or the fan on the back not turning on all the time), this is 4% 'the system crashed while I was playing the game' within the first two weeks.

The acceptable amount of failure for hardware at launch is not 4%. I will reason it out for you because you are going to say 'yes it is'.

If they are expecting 4%, they have to think that it is worth 4% hardware failure vs. refunding and shipping out new 360s to those who failed. That isn't cheap because, remember, everybody loses money on each unit of hardware sold. So you are telling me that Microsoft(or anybody) plans to have 1 out of every 25 pieces of hardware fail? Are media reports exaggerated that Microsoft bombed the launch? Not really. Does it mean anything negative about the 360 in the long run? No, not at all.

After a technology has been around for a long time(such as the PS2) it is less than 1% failure rate.

[DMBBeav]

no one believes you.

Don't care. But when I give you reason and logic behind my posts, don't end the conversation with 'you don't know'. I will leave the word guarantee out of my posts for you, as the truth is details about the PS3 launch can change from now until October / November.

[d+ter]

Don't care. But when I give you reason and logic behind my posts, don't end the conversation with 'you don't know'. I will leave the word guarantee out of my posts for you, as the truth is details about the PS3 launch can change from now until October / November.

that was my only point.

this all started when i relayed what happened when my friend asked to pre-order a ps3. you said that i was either stupid or false. then you started guaranteeing stuff that you don't know.

thanks for clearing it up.

[DMBBeav]

that was my only point.

this all started when i relayed what happened when my friend asked to pre-order a ps3. you said that i was either stupid or false. then you started guaranteeing stuff that you don't know.

thanks for clearing it up.

Oh, I'm sorry, i didn't realize I looked like an asshole during that post. My bad, man.

[d+ter]

Oh, I'm sorry, i didn't realize I looked like an asshole during that post. My bad, man.
no biggie.

[GoodDayIIDie]

The acceptable amount of failure for hardware at launch is not 4%. I will reason it out for you because you are going to say 'yes it is'.

If they are expecting 4%, they have to think that it is worth 4% hardware failure vs. refunding and shipping out new 360s to those who failed. That isn't cheap because, remember, everybody loses money on each unit of hardware sold. So you are telling me that Microsoft(or anybody) plans to have 1 out of every 25 pieces of hardware fail? Are media reports exaggerated that Microsoft bombed the launch? Not really. Does it mean anything negative about the 360 in the long run? No, not at all.

After a technology has been around for a long time(such as the PS2) it is less than 1% failure rate.

What I think should be noted here is that generally the console videogame industry has not had problems with games shipping "needing updates" and hardware going out that is defective, even in small percentages. The only major exceptions would be with the PS1, which had disc spinners that wore out quickly for some people and the PS2, which had laser reader problems for some people. Even so, these weren't necessarily defects. For most people, getting these problems came from use of the product from a couple of months, not from just opening it up and experiencing a problem right away, or in this case, the first two weeks.

The reason I think this is important is this: I have long cherished the Console Industry for not being like the PC Industry. In the console world, games don't get released in need of patches, updates or the newest expensive hardware. Gaming companies are expected to get more out of the same technology and ship a product that is final. This business of Microsoft shipping products that are essentially "incomplete" is not a trend I want to become the norm in the Console Industry.

[dh4645]

What I think should be noted here is that generally the console videogame industry has not had problems with games shipping "needing updates" and hardware going out that is defective, even in small percentages. The only major exceptions would be with the PS1, which had disc spinners that wore out quickly for some people and the PS2, which had laser reader problems for some people. Even so, these weren't necessarily defects. For most people, getting these problems came from use of the product from a couple of months, not from just opening it up and experiencing a problem right away, or in this case, the first two weeks.

The reason I think this is important is this: I have long cherished the Console Industry for not being like the PC Industry. In the console world, games don't get released in need of patches, updates or the newest expensive hardware. Gaming companies are expected to get more out of the same technology and ship a product that is final. This business of Microsoft shipping products that are essentially "incomplete" is not a trend I want to become the norm in the Console Industry.

i agree, very well written.

[jerry&dave]

PS3 is going to be coming out around Christmas at the earliest..its starting price is gonig to be close to $1,000..

[dh4645]

PS3 is going to be coming out around Christmas at the earliest..its starting price is gonig to be close to $1,000..

yeah ok.

how about october and half that price

[OCMarsh]

What I think should be noted here is that generally the console videogame industry has not had problems with games shipping "needing updates" and hardware going out that is defective, even in small percentages. The only major exceptions would be with the PS1, which had disc spinners that wore out quickly for some people and the PS2, which had laser reader problems for some people. Even so, these weren't necessarily defects. For most people, getting these problems came from use of the product from a couple of months, not from just opening it up and experiencing a problem right away, or in this case, the first two weeks.

The reason I think this is important is this: I have long cherished the Console Industry for not being like the PC Industry. In the console world, games don't get released in need of patches, updates or the newest expensive hardware. Gaming companies are expected to get more out of the same technology and ship a product that is final. This business of Microsoft shipping products that are essentially "incomplete" is not a trend I want to become the norm in the Console Industry.


I completely agree with you on this. I still feel that the 360 is in no way "imcomplete". Almost every owner I know is completely satisfied with the product (especially Live) and I have not heard of a single person that had problems right out of the box. Everyone had anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months of play before experiencing problems (outside of the idiots who stuck their 360 in a hot cabinet or moved it around while playing games).

As far as Beav saying that only the PS1 and PS2 had problems before now... Is it a coincidence that the more modern and complex these things get, the more problems that are experienced from the outset? This isn't the NES anymore.


Having said all that, many of the games were VERY imcomplete, mainly the EA games. I don't totally blame MS for that, but I do think there really isn't a reason to get a 360 until March. And I still plan on getting a PS3, just not until 2007.

[DMBBeav]

[quote=OCMarsh]
As far as Beav saying that only the PS1 and PS2 had problems before now... Is it a coincidence that the more modern and complex these things get, the more problems that are experienced from the outset? This isn't the NES anymore.
quote]

As any NES owner will tell you, after about a year or two plugging in your cart required the subtle art of blowing into the back of the game and positioning the cartridge in oh such a way into the NES' slot that it will get your game to play.
;)

But no, you have a point. The industry is going to hit a point where the technology is moving too fast for developers and hardware manufactuers to keep everything at a high quality. The problem(that isn't a problem but just a natural force of the marketplace) is competition demands you get the best performing machine out of the gate when the other guy does the same. In a way, Nintendo is taking the correct(but, potentially, financially risky road) by saying to Sony and Microsoft "I'm not playing your game" and just doing their own thing. It could turn out to be a death blow for Nintendo in the console biz or could be the biggest thing to hit the console industry since the original Nintendo. Remember, the Revolution is easily going to cost less than either the 360 or PS3 and will have the ability to capture kids and old-school gamers alike. Also, remember, this lower price point will transfer to cheaper games. Revolution may be able to keep things at @ $50 while PS3 / 306 will be seeing games in the $60-$70 range.

The thing that I think about when I think about games moving forward and quality issues is the promise that they continue to be of a high quality. This is only natural as the newer technology demands a more expensive budget. As the budget goes up, to control risk, you end up investing 50 million in a proven franchise and don't give a risky game like Katamari a chance. Plus, if people spend a lot of time concentrating on how to make things look pretty and jaw-dropping they can spend less time caring about if the actual game design is going to be strong. It is like stories in movies. Most movies care more about creating a spectacle and selling tickets than telling a great story. Even a good movie like Wedding Crashers is more spectacle than substance.(I would say 40 Year Old Virgin, same genre, has substance over spectacle).

Just a rant, but yeah, we'll see.

[dh4645]

yeah i cant wait to see what the ps3 can do...and also see what the revolution will be able to do.

i wish they had more news on the ps3. it should be coming out in japan soon.

[d+ter]

my fiance and i are definitely getting a revolution when it comes out.

[tortoise]

Yeah the revolution is the only console that's caught my interest at all.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Yeah the revolution is the only console that's caught my interest at all.


I'm still trying to get more mileage out of my brother's Gamecube right now. There's so many good games on it, but I'm always trying to get through the last PS2 game I bought.

[dh4645]

I'm still trying to get more mileage out of my brother's Gamecube right now. There's so many good games on it, but I'm always trying to get through the last PS2 game I bought.

what game is that?

i still have about 10 games i bought for ps2 i'm playing now or havent even played yet.

currently i'm playing resident evil 4 - so awesome...i didnt think i'd ever play an RE game after i played RE survivor on the psone. sucked hardcore.

[GoodDayIIDie]

what game is that?

i still have about 10 games i bought for ps2 i'm playing now or havent even played yet.

currently i'm playing resident evil 4 - so awesome...i didnt think i'd ever play an RE game after i played RE survivor on the psone. sucked hardcore.


I'm trying to get through Castlevania: Curse of Darkness, you know, the other Castlevania that came out this year on PS2. :lol Anyway, I'm right at the end, but there's some serious leveling up to do before taking on the final boss. I also want to get the most out of the NPCs before I finish the game, shelve it for a while, and finally tear through Dragon Quest 8.


Edit: RE4 is money. I always like the mood of previous RE4 games but didn't care much for the gameplay. Now it's on.

[dh4645]

from www.ps3land.com

8-2-2006
Activision Confirms PS3 Launch Titles

Activision has confirmed that it will release three titles for the launch of the PlayStation 3 in the US. Executives spoke at a shareholder conference, which discussed Q3 earnings and future prospects.

Michael Griffith, Activision publishing president and CEO, said they will "remain committed to maintaining a leadership position on next-generation platforms." As well as releasing five new PSP titles, and four Xbox 360 titles, Griffith also said that Acitivision will release three PS3 games and one Revolution game, all launch titles, in the 2007 fiscal year (which runs from April 2006 to March 2007).

Unfortunately, the names of the three PS3 games were not given, and they were no more specific about launch date. However, it can be assumed that, with so many titles appearing on multiple platforms, some of the games will be ports. For example, Call of Duty 2 may appear on PlayStation 3, as it has already featured as a launch title for Xbox 360.

But Activision did name some of the games that will be released in the 2008 fiscal year. In particular, Shrek 3 and Spider-Man 3 are likely to be released to coincide with their movie releases. Although platforms were not mentioned for these games, given a predicted launch window of April 2007 to March 2008, it is likely these will appear on one or more of the next-generation consoles.

By Bhavin Shah

[dh4645]

from http://www.ps3portal.com/news.html?PHPSESSID=30b3b6f844ec1db2acdbc5cbbc7e56 f2
One quarter of Sony's booth at the Taipei Game show has been confirmed exclusively for PlayStation 3.


The Taipei Game Show 2006 will be held from February 16-20th and is likely to provide some new, eagerly anticipated information about Sony’s PlayStation 3 console. According to the Chinese-language Commercial Times, a quarter of Sony's exhibit space at the show will be devoted exclusively to the PS3.


Recent Sony exhibits have left PlayStation fans with little new information. The last major event was the Tokyo Game Show last year where Hideo Kojima unveiled the Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots trailer. However since then, there has been little definitive information provided to the gaming community about the PlayStation 3 console, apart from firm reinforcements of a spring 2006 launch deadline.


CES disappointed many, with only a brief non-demonstrative appearance of PlayStation 3 behind glass casing. The Taipei Game show might provide attendees with a chance to finally get some hands-on time with the console, should they allow gamers time to demo the console.


So far it is unclear whether Sony is planning to do a showcase event like TGS or just leave the console on display like they did at the Consumer Electronics Show, but hopefully Sony will do something new. We admit Sony are very good at keeping the PlayStation community on its toes, but we think it's about time the community had some new info.
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It seems there is still a possibility that the Playstation 3 will ship with a hard drive. BusinessWeek has released an article that states the PS3 will include "a huge hard disk to store photos, music, and TV shows”. The article was written by Kenji Hall, a reporter based in Japan, who seems to have a connection with Sony.

The article does not contain anything else that would be considered an error; Hall also appears to know his history citing that the PSX was originally launched with a hard drive. It is unlikely that he missed the Sony announcement by Ken Kutaragi, saying that Sony could not offer enough capacity to justify the features of the PS3. Kutaragi’s announcement was made in June of last year; however plenty of things can change in seven months.

We will keep you updated with any new information but it looks like, at least for now, the topic of whether or not the PS3 will come with a hard drive is still on the table.

[dh4645]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2270&Itemid=2

[FACHEBLOOTZ]

I'm buying 4 PS3s. I'll keep one for myself and make a killing off ebay. I should have done that with the 360, but I acted too late.

[dh4645]

I'm buying 4 PS3s. I'll keep one for myself and make a killing off ebay. I should have done that with the 360, but I acted too late.

hey you stole my idea...i didnt want to say it on here because i didnt want anyone else to do it.
and yes, ever since the 360 was selling for over $1000 i thought about gettin a few ps3s and just selling them. i might not even keep one and wait until an updated version comes out with the bugs out of it

[FACHEBLOOTZ]

hey you stole my idea...i didnt want to say it on here because i didnt want anyone else to do it.
and yes, ever since the 360 was selling for over $1000 i thought about gettin a few ps3s and just selling them. i might not even keep one and wait until an updated version comes out with the bugs out of it

I couldn't find an xbox when I wanted to do it. But if you go to gamestop now and pay for it fully up front, you're on the first list to get them. Shoot just buying one and selling it on ebay can make a few bucks.

[DMBBeav]

The official PS3 announcement will be on March 20th/21st. That article is very accurate.

[davehead86]

Im partial to the PS line, i love the games and they way the systems have preformed. I think the XBOX 360 is overrated, and most of the information provided has only helped my strenghten my opinion. I see 360 dying like the Dreamcast. Dead in a year cause PS3 tromps on its butt.

[wvumascotdmb]

I have the 360 and I love it!!! if anyone wants to play or send me a friend request feel free to do so....WV Matsui

[Fishbulb290]

So with most people in the know about what happened with 360; is there any way that a bunch of people end up with 3 PS3's after they buy as many as possible and the supply exceeds demand on eBay?

Just thinking out loud...

[dh4645]

So with most people in the know about what happened with 360; is there any way that a bunch of people end up with 3 PS3's after they buy as many as possible and the supply exceeds demand on eBay?

Just thinking out loud...

it's possible, but i doubt it...the way they only produce so many units for launch. there will always be people who want it so bad right away that can't get one...and have the money...so they'll pay a premium to get it asap on ebay or somewhere else.

thats my logic anyway.

[dh4645]

i just looked at ebay and their are thousands of xbox 360's being sold. people are paying about $500 for the premium plus like $50 shipping.
about half of what they were paying 2 months ago, but you can still make $ off of those things.

[watchtower41]

So with most people in the know about what happened with 360; is there any way that a bunch of people end up with 3 PS3's after they buy as many as possible and the supply exceeds demand on eBay?

Just thinking out loud...



very possible, how much more are people gonna pay when the system is already gonna be at least $500 (coming from multiple sources)

People are still paying that money for 360, because you still can't find one, and truth be told, 360 is an incredible system. Microsoft got an incredible jump on the competition becuase everyone already knows how good 360 actaully is, where before many people questioned it.

[dh4645]

very possible, how much more are people gonna pay when the system is already gonna be at least $500 (coming from multiple sources)

People are still paying that money for 360, because you still can't find one, and truth be told, 360 is an incredible system. Microsoft got an incredible jump on the competition becuase everyone already knows how good 360 actaully is, where before many people questioned it.

thats true. i'll probably still buy a few ps3's and sell em on ebay. i'll at least break even + shipping, but most likely i will make a few hundred bucks...enough to save to get the next generation of ps3's without any bugs.

[Fishbulb290]

thats true. i'll probably still buy a few ps3's and sell em on ebay. i'll at least break even + shipping, but most likely i will make a few hundred bucks...enough to save to get the next generation of ps3's without any bugs.

Ya that's my theory. I'm just a little worried I'm going to end up with 2 systems and 1000 dollars out of my pocket.

[DMBBeav]

Ya that's my theory. I'm just a little worried I'm going to end up with 2 systems and 1000 dollars out of my pocket.

at worst, can't you just give the systems back to the store if they are unopened?

[Fishbulb290]

at worst, can't you just give the systems back to the store if they are unopened?

I suppose, thought never crossed my mind...

[dh4645]

2 articles from ps3land.com

Sony PlayStation 3 launch to be delayed until August?


Sony will postpone the scheduled launch for its PlayStation 3 (PS3) game console from this spring until August, as the company is facing several issues with its production plans, especially concerning its inclusion of a Blu-ray Disc drive in the PS3, according to Sony’s Taiwan-based contract manufacturers.

According to Sony’s company spokesperson, although the AACS LA (advanced access content system license administrator) was expected to finalize its copy protection specifications this month, members of the Blu-ray Disc were not satisfied with the level of copy protection and the release of the standard has been postponed.

However, Reuters reported on February 17 that a temporary agreement has been reached, clearing the way for the release of the blue-laser drives. In spite of this, backers of the Blu-ray Disc format do not expect products to hit the market until this summer.

Even with specifications for the Blu-ray Disc format being finalized, the high price of the drive will contribute toward Sony delaying its launch. According to a report from Merrill Lynch, the cost of the Blue-ray disc drive will be US$350, while rival Microsoft is currently selling its entire Xbox 360 game console starting from US$399. According to the contract manufacturers, with Microsoft not having to contend with Sony for much of this year, it may launch a version of its Xbox 360 featuring a HD DVD drive for about US$600.

Merrill Lynch put the total BOM (bill of materials) for the PS3 at US$900 initially, and the equity firm added that Sony is facing production issues with the IBM-designed Cell processor and Nvidia-designed graphics processor. Merrill Lynch believes that Sony will not release the PS3 in the US until the end of 2006 or early next year, and it has cut the shipment forecast to 2-3 million units for 2006. In recent media reports, different sources at Sony have been separately quoted as “flatly denying any delay” and “not ruling out a delay.”

According to estimates from Taiwan-based component makers, Microsoft has shipped 3-3.5 million Xbox 360 game consoles since its release, and by the end of this year, shipments should total 11-12 million units.

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Game Downloads for PS3?


Speculation on Sony's upcoming PS3 online service has been the talk of the town for the last few weeks. While Sony has given away very little, the industry has been discussing rumors regarding what they will offer to compete with Xbox Live's popularity.

From location-free capabilities between Sony's PSP and PS3 to media downloads like movies and music, Sony sounds like they are throwing everything into this.

The latest feature to be "announced" in an interview with Tetsuhiko Yatsuda of SOE Asia was the possibility of downloading PS3 games from this service. In an interview with Japanese site Watch Impress, Yatsuda says that games would be a lot cheaper compared to retail versions. The purpose of this feature would be yet another blow to the pirating community, and to Xbox Live.

Whether this would work and how this would work are subjects that are yet unknown. The idea sounds promising, and given Sony's history of battling piracy, it seems like a given. However, there is no word on wether or not this will actually see the light of day or whether it will be an Asia based service or globally.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Thanks. That's some good information.

[DMBBeav]

There is nothing out of the ordinary wrong with the production plants. They never were serious about the Spring. The majority of games would never have made it out in time for the Spring and those that would would be so rushed the 360 launch would look stellar in comparison.

It won't be out in August either. Late September at absolute best, more like late October / early November.

[aeroshady]

Halo 3....enough said.

[whoopie85]

for all those people that say theyre just going to buy 3 or 4 and sell them on ebay... dick head move.

[whoopie85]

ill elaborate.

None of those that are doing this plan of buy numerous systems and sell them on ebay had nothing to with anything. So why should get to make money from it? Becuase you counted down to the minute that you could reserve them? Wow you're right that is deserving of getting a free system.

I hate people that make money for doing nothing and becuase of that other people have to pay more for your selfishness.

[DMBBeav]

ill elaborate.

None of those that are doing this plan of buy numerous systems and sell them on ebay had nothing to with anything. So why should get to make money from it? Becuase you counted down to the minute that you could reserve them? Wow you're right that is deserving of getting a free system.

I hate people that make money for doing nothing and becuase of that other people have to pay more for your selfishness.

Isn't it just working the marketplace though?

I, for some reason, find this to be a different case than scalping tickets...

[kjzz12]

I want a revolution, simply for the innovation factor, but the PS3 will be the better system.

[Fishbulb290]

ill elaborate.

None of those that are doing this plan of buy numerous systems and sell them on ebay had nothing to with anything. So why should get to make money from it? Becuase you counted down to the minute that you could reserve them? Wow you're right that is deserving of getting a free system.

I hate people that make money for doing nothing and becuase of that other people have to pay more for your selfishness.

It's just exploiting a system. If there is money involved you can't really expect people to care about what other people think.

[dh4645]

ill elaborate.

None of those that are doing this plan of buy numerous systems and sell them on ebay had nothing to with anything. So why should get to make money from it? Becuase you counted down to the minute that you could reserve them? Wow you're right that is deserving of getting a free system.

I hate people that make money for doing nothing and becuase of that other people have to pay more for your selfishness.


maybe if you typed in complete sentences i wouldn't have to read your posts 5 times to try and understand them. instead of complaining, go get an education and then just maybe you could have something intelligent to add to the conversation.

[Fishbulb290]

I didn't understand either but I think I got the jist of it (I think)...

[AntsMarching466]

We must remember that a large majority of games will be released for both the Xbox360 and PS3, therefore eve if one system is more powerful that will be somewhat negated by the multi-platform factor. That being said the PS3 will probably have marginally better graphics. But, considering the likely price difference, is it worth it? Also, will Sony offer the same great online service that XBox has? For me, who won't own any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs until around the time PS4 comes out, I'll be satisfied with my XBox360. Either way the games will be gorgeous, and hopefully fun.

[Fishbulb290]

But the best games are usually only for one system...

[AntsMarching466]

What do you mean the best games are only for one system? All good sports games, both systems. Splinter Cell, both, Resident Evil will be both, Final Fantasy, GTA, the list goes on. Sure XBox will have Halo and PS3 will have whatever they think can compete with it, but for the most part any game not made by Sony or Microsoft will see both systems, it would be stupid business not to.

[Fishbulb290]

Ya Madden is really sweet on the 360.


Oh and don't forget Metal Gear/Zelda.

[dh4645]

It's just exploiting a system. If there is money involved you can't really expect people to care about what other people think.


yeah, if people want the system right away, they can't get it at a local store and they have the money ... they probably appreciate people like me that will sell it to them ... at a premium

[MacEvil]

Handhelds rock. Screw the consoles.

[dh4645]

Handhelds rock. Screw the consoles.

my fiance wanted to get me a psp for xmas, but i wouldnt let her. too expensive and i already had like 30 ps2 games and about 30 pc games to play. i still have about 20 ps2 games and still 30 pc games to finish

[GoodDayIIDie]

We must remember that a large majority of games will be released for both the Xbox360 and PS3, therefore eve if one system is more powerful that will be somewhat negated by the multi-platform factor. That being said the PS3 will probably have marginally better graphics. But, considering the likely price difference, is it worth it? Also, will Sony offer the same great online service that XBox has? For me, who won't own any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs until around the time PS4 comes out, I'll be satisfied with my XBox360. Either way the games will be gorgeous, and hopefully fun.

You should do a search for real time screens of Metal Gear Solid 4. Those screens are not marginally better than current Xbox 360 games. Unless the people making games for the 360 get totally on the ball, there will be never be a marginal difference in the way the games look.

[dh4645]

You should do a search for real time screens of Metal Gear Solid 4. Those screens are not marginally better than current Xbox 360 games. Unless the people making games for the 360 get totally on the ball, there will be never be a marginal difference in the way the games look.


i know mgs4 does look so sweet (as does killzone).
i have only played mgs1, but might just have to pick mgs4 up for my ps3

[GoodDayIIDie]

i know mgs4 does look so sweet (as does killzone).
i have only played mgs1, but might just have to pick mgs4 up for my ps3

I actually put off playing MGS3 because I figured they would come out with a "Director's Cut"-style release of it. Sure enough, MGS3: Subsistence is well on the way.

You should play part 2. The plot goes bananas about halfway through the game, but the gameplay is freaking money. Meanwhile, you'll get more out of MGS4 if you play all the previous installments.

[dh4645]

... you'll get more out of MGS4 if you play all the previous installments.

i figured as much but i dont have time for it. i have like 20 ps2 games to play and like 30 pc games.

[Fishbulb290]

I actually put off playing MGS3 because I figured they would come out with a "Director's Cut"-style release of it. Sure enough, MGS3: Subsistence is well on the way.

You should play part 2. The plot goes bananas about halfway through the game, but the gameplay is freaking money. Meanwhile, you'll get more out of MGS4 if you play all the previous installments.

You should enjoy Metal Gear 3. I beat it a few months ago and it was my favorite so far. The story in 2 just got a little weird for me...

[GoodDayIIDie]

i figured as much but i dont have time for it. i have like 20 ps2 games to play and like 30 pc games.


I know the feeling. I've been working on Final Fantasy Tactics for, oh, let's see....8 years now. I think I'm in Chapter 4 of it. I'll probably finish it finally this year.

[whoopie85]

yeah, if people want the system right away, they can't get it at a local store and they have the money ... they probably appreciate people like me that will sell it to them ... at a premium

Ok... but why do you get a premium when i have the money to buy the system at the normal price. If you werent a jackass and didnt buy 4 systems, 3 other people that can pay for it at a normal price, would be able to jackass.

I think that's kind of in a way... stealing... youre making money you had nothing to do with from the company... and you're stealing from the people you would be selling it to.

[Busted Nutt]

Ok... but why do you get a premium when i have the money to buy the system at the normal price. If you werent a jackass and didnt buy 4 systems, 3 other people that can pay for it at a normal price, would be able to jackass.

I think that's kind of in a way... stealing... youre making money you had nothing to do with from the company... and you're stealing from the people you would be selling it to.

Get over it Whoopi. James Blunt is a fuckin bitch.

[GoodDayIIDie]

Ok... but why do you get a premium when i have the money to buy the system at the normal price. If you werent a jackass and didnt buy 4 systems, 3 other people that can pay for it at a normal price, would be able to jackass.

I think that's kind of in a way... stealing... youre making money you had nothing to do with from the company... and you're stealing from the people you would be selling it to.


I understand why it might make you mad when someone buys a couple of systems and then sells them at bloated prices. But I think you should just let it go. It's really not that serious.

What's serious is when someone like Roger Ebert says that videogames are not art. Now there's a jack-ass.

[Fishbulb290]

Why do you care so much? It really doesn't directly affect you does it?

[dh4645]

Ok... but why do you get a premium when i have the money to buy the system at the normal price. If you werent a jackass and didnt buy 4 systems, 3 other people that can pay for it at a normal price, would be able to jackass.

I think that's kind of in a way... stealing... youre making money you had nothing to do with from the company... and you're stealing from the people you would be selling it to.

i understand what you are saying, but as i said earlier, some people can't get one right away or didnt plan ahead and pre-order, but they want the system really really bad right away...they'll pay more for it. basic supply and demand...take an economics course and then maybe you'll understand.

[Fishbulb290]

Demand exceeds supply. There I broke it down for you.

[dh4645]

Demand exceeds supply. There I broke it down for you.

haha, yeah

[FACHEBLOOTZ]

PlayStation 3 Release Date in Question Jay Wrolstad, newsfactor.com
Tue Feb 21, 6:00 PM ET



The launch of Sony's next-generation gaming console could be pushed back by up to a year, according to a report issued by Merrill Lynch, which cited ongoing delays associated with one of the key specifications used by the PlayStation 3.

Merrill Lynch reported last week that the lack of established standards for digital-rights management (DRM) technology for Blu-Ray discs, an integral part of the PlayStation 3, might mean that production of the console won't gear up until next fall or even as late as 2007.

Sony has indicated that the highly anticipated gaming console would hit the shelves this spring.

Expensive Proposition

The report also noted that the cost of components to produce each PlayStation 3 console could approach $800, resulting in a substantial loss for Sony on each unit sold.

By all accounts, Sony has a lot riding on the PlayStation 3 because of increased pressure from Microsoft's Xbox 360 and the forthcoming Nintendo Revolution. In addition, the company is banking on the Blu-Ray DVD technology, which faces stiff competition from Toshiba's HD DVD format.

Media outlets have reported that Sony acknowledges that if Blu-Ray specs are not finalized soon, the launch of the console could be postponed.

Production Schedule

"Every day that Sony waits before bringing the PS3 to market means that Microsoft is selling more of its gaming consoles," said Yankee Group analyst Michael Goodman, who believes that Sony's biggest concern is that demand will far exceed supply, forcing potential customers to turn to the Xbox 360 as Sony ramps up production.

In the long run, Goodman said, Sony is well positioned to maintain its dominant position in the gaming console market, but should the company miss the 2006 holiday shopping season, it could lose a lot of ground to Microsoft.

"That's probably not going to happen, but there is still the question of when they will enter the marketplace," the analyst said. "If Sony launches the PS3 in June, they have only three or four months of production time before the prime selling season."

If the launch is delayed until September, he said, Sony will have a hard time producing the 1.5 million consoles the company can expect to sell at the end of the year.

Jumping to Conclusions

As for speculation that the new PlayStation 3 might cost gamers up to $600, Goodman suggested that Sony is prepared to sell the consoles at a loss when they are introduced, just as it has done with earlier versions of the device.

"They can do that because there are additional revenue streams available beyond the hardware," Goodman said, citing online gaming and digital-download services such as Sony Connect. "That changes the dynamics when you think of the company taking a $200 loss per console."

IDC analyst Schelley Olhava said the Merrill Lynch report is best digested with a grain of salt. "The prices for PS3 they are presenting are not necessarily accurate, and there is no firm confirmation from Sony that the launch will be later than this spring," she said.

IDC projects that the PlayStation 3 will sell for $250 to $300, or about the same price as Microsoft's Xbox 360.

Currently, Sony holds a commanding 69 percent share worldwide in the console market, with Microsoft at 16 percent and Nintendo at 14 percent, according to Yankee Group. In the U.S., Sony's share is 60 percent, compared with 23 percent for Microsoft and 15 percent for Nintendo.

[Pig17]

Revolution rules all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dh4645]

PlayStation 3 Release Date in Question Jay Wrolstad, newsfactor.com
Tue Feb 21, 6:00 PM ET


thanks for the info. i had heard most of that stuff, but i hadn't heard that some people think it's only going to cost $300. i dont think that's feasible...unless if it's a completely watered-down version of the ps2...like the core 360

[DMBBeav]

thanks for the info. i had heard most of that stuff, but i hadn't heard that some people think it's only going to cost $300. i dont think that's feasible...unless if it's a completely watered-down version of the ps2...like the core 360

That article is all over the place. It really looks like damage control over the fact that it isn't coming out this spring...but it will definitely be out this year.

Again, no more than $500(no cheaper than $400) no earlier than late September, no later than early November.

[whoopie85]

Get over it Whoopi. James Blunt is a fuckin bitch.


although i dont agree with it... at least they actually answered the question in a mature way. James Blunt has nothing to do with this.

[dh4645]

from www.ps3land.com

23-2-2006
Bain talks PS3 at IGDA event


George Bain, SCEE development support manager, gave an interesting speech and Q&A session at O'Neill's "Irish" Pub in London last night. The IGDA event was hosted by recruitment agency Mary-Margaret, and Scazza from Neowin.net reported back on what was said.

Bain responded to recent reports that the PlayStation 3 will be delayed. As was said in Tokyo by Kei Sakaguchi, Bain reassured the public that Sony was still aiming for a Spring 2006 launch window.

He also reiterated that the PlayStation 3 will support dual 1080p screens. How this will be used is yet to be seen, but what's certain is that very few consumers will actually have two 1080p compatible televisions in the near future.

At the past few events where the PlayStation 3 and its controller have been on display, the glass case has always had a notice saying 'Conceptual Design'. Bain has now confirmed that the console and controller have not been finalised.

Unfortunately, Bain had to refuse to answer many questions, on the grounds that it was a public event. But he did suggest that DevStation, also taking place in London, on 1 and 2 March, would be where developers would be given more detailed information.

However, DevStation is not open to the press, and so gamers may be forced to wait till Phil Harrison's keynote speech on 22 March to hear any further details on the progress of PlayStation 3.

[FACHEBLOOTZ]

from www.ps3land.com

23-2-2006
Bain talks PS3 at IGDA event


George Bain, SCEE development support manager, gave an interesting speech and Q&A session at O'Neill's "Irish" Pub in London last night. The IGDA event was hosted by recruitment agency Mary-Margaret, and Scazza from Neowin.net reported back on what was said.

Bain responded to recent reports that the PlayStation 3 will be delayed. As was said in Tokyo by Kei Sakaguchi, Bain reassured the public that Sony was still aiming for a Spring 2006 launch window.

He also reiterated that the PlayStation 3 will support dual 1080p screens. How this will be used is yet to be seen, but what's certain is that very few consumers will actually have two 1080p compatible televisions in the near future.

At the past few events where the PlayStation 3 and its controller have been on display, the glass case has always had a notice saying 'Conceptual Design'. Bain has now confirmed that the console and controller have not been finalised.

Unfortunately, Bain had to refuse to answer many questions, on the grounds that it was a public event. But he did suggest that DevStation, also taking place in London, on 1 and 2 March, would be where developers would be given more detailed information.

However, DevStation is not open to the press, and so gamers may be forced to wait till Phil Harrison's keynote speech on 22 March to hear any further details on the progress of PlayStation 3.

They don't even know what the system is going to look like yet, but they still say it will be out in spring? Say it with me now......bullshit.

[dh4645]

They don't even know what the system is going to look like yet, but they still say it will be out in spring? Say it with me now......bullshit.


i agree. i am hoping it is a spring release, but i dont see how thats conceivable

[FACHEBLOOTZ]

i agree. i am hoping it is a spring release, but i dont see how thats conceivable


He was probably told to say that it will be out in the spring so as to not upset the crowd that's there, or to answer questions that Sony doesn't have answers to. Just show them the system and it will be fine....

[barefoot]

Bill Gates is laughing right now

[DMBBeav]

from www.ps3land.com (http://www.ps3land.com)

23-2-2006
Bain talks PS3 at IGDA event


George Bain, SCEE development support manager, gave an interesting speech and Q&A session at O'Neill's "Irish" Pub in London last night. The IGDA event was hosted by recruitment agency Mary-Margaret, and Scazza from Neowin.net reported back on what was said.

Bain responded to recent reports that the PlayStation 3 will be delayed. As was said in Tokyo by Kei Sakaguchi, Bain reassured the public that Sony was still aiming for a Spring 2006 launch window.

He also reiterated that the PlayStation 3 will support dual 1080p screens. How this will be used is yet to be seen, but what's certain is that very few consumers will actually have two 1080p compatible televisions in the near future.

At the past few events where the PlayStation 3 and its controller have been on display, the glass case has always had a notice saying 'Conceptual Design'. Bain has now confirmed that the console and controller have not been finalised.

Unfortunately, Bain had to refuse to answer many questions, on the grounds that it was a public event. But he did suggest that DevStation, also taking place in London, on 1 and 2 March, would be where developers would be given more detailed information.

However, DevStation is not open to the press, and so gamers may be forced to wait till Phil Harrison's keynote speech on 22 March to hear any further details on the progress of PlayStation 3.

Bain is lying. SCEE's marketing department has leaked just about everything going on in Sony this past week and in every scenario people scrambled with legal action to shut down the leak. I don't know why he bothers saying it is coming out this spring...no one believes him, but I guess he has to say that for now.

By the way, check my post from about a week ago. I told you you will get the offical Playstation 3 announcement on March 20/21(he is saying 22nd...it is whenever Phil's keynote speech is, which I was told was early in the week at GDC).

[dh4645]

By the way, check my post from about a week ago. I told you you will get the offical Playstation 3 announcement on March 20/21(he is saying 22nd...it is whenever Phil's keynote speech is, which I was told was early in the week at GDC).


yep i remember.
one more month ... to see how long it'll be delayed

[DMBBeav]

yep i remember.
one more month ... to see how long it'll be delayed

well...I have said since the beginning of this thread October / November. I guess in my mind it was never delayed:cool

[dh4645]

well...I have said since the beginning of this thread October / November. I guess in my mind it was never delayed:cool

true
:thumbsup

[dh4645]

well at least it looks like the blu-ray drive is about ready...unlike the ps3

from http://www.redherring.com
Blu-ray to Shine In May

Sony’s high-definition discs and players will be on shelves May 23.
February 28, 2006

Sony plans to release the first batch of high-definition movies on its Blu-ray format in retail stores on May 23, meaning the rival HD-DVD format will have a head start of about two months when it launches in late March.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment’s movie title releases will coincide with the introduction of the first Blu-ray disc player from Samsung, the company said late Monday. Soon after, Blu-ray disc players will be released by Sony and Pioneer. Sony will also release a Blu-ray compatible personal computer.

Toshiba, which backs the HD-DVD standard, is scheduled to start selling the first HD-DVD players at end of March along with about 40 movie titles.

With the $40-billion worldwide DVD market at stake, the format war between Sony and Toshiba have been going on more than three years.

Both Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats are implementing blue laser technology that provides better picture and sound quality, more interactive features, and a larger amounts of storage.

The first titles will be released by Sony Pictures and MGM Home Entertainment and will include 50 First Dates, The Fifth Element, Hitch, House of Flying Daggers, A Knight’s Tale, and XXX. The second batch of movies will come out June 13 and will include Legends of the Fall, Robocop, Stealth, SWAT, and Terminator.

Independent film studio Lions Gate also announced that it will release 10 movie titles on May 23 that will include Crash and Lord of War, priced at $39.99, and The Punisher, Saw, and Terminator 2: Judgment Day at $29.99. The next batch of releases will in either June or July, the studio said.

Studio Backing

While Blu-ray has the edge when it comes to support from major Hollywood studios—five out six back Blu-ray—HD-DVD will have the advantage with regards to timing. However, the lead has shrunken to only two months; earlier, HD-DVD was expected to release its technology by the 2005 holiday season.

Pricing is also an advantage at the HD-DVD group. While the first Blu-ray players by Samsung are expected to cost about $1,000, Toshiba’s players will cost $500 to $800 a piece. Meanwhile Pioneer’s player, again Blu-ray enabled, will have an over-the-top price of $1,800.

Blu-ray also recently released the wholesale prices of its high-definition discs that will be sold in retail outlets such as Best Buy and Circuit City. While new releases on the Blu-ray discs will have a wholesale price of $23.45, older titles will cost $17.95. These prices are much higher than the current retail DVD prices that sell for about $14.99 and $9.99 respectively on BestBuy.com.

[dh4645]

from ps3land.com

28-2-2006
Sony: PS3 Delay Possible


Sony has announced that a PlayStation 3 delay is a very real possibility.

Any delay could be caused by Blu-ray, one of two next-generation DVD formats backed by Sony. The PlayStation 3 will be able to play Blu-ray movies and games. The format can hold up to 25GB on a single layer, and 50GB with dual layer.

Delays in finalising specifications is the main reason behind Blu-ray production lagging so far behind. In particular, Advanced Access Content System (AACS), a Digital Rights Management feature, has delayed the production of both Blu-ray and its competitor, HD-DVD. It is believed both camps have now reached an agreement.

"The highest quality picture is vital to the PS3. There is a possibility of delay [to the launch] if delivery of parts is delayed," said a Sony spokesperson.

Speculation suggests that all other parts, including RSX, the PS3's graphics card, have been completed. But Blu-ray, one of the most anticipated features of the PS3, could be the whole reason Sony has refused to comment on the progress of its next generation console.

Interestingly, though, it has also been announced that Sony aims to ship the initial Blu-ray titles on 23 May in the US, to coincide with the release of Blu-ray players. This could very well mean that Sony is still able to meet its "Spring 2006" launch in at least one territory (assuming Spring ends on 21 June).

[dh4645]

from ps3land.com

9-3-2006
PS3 circuit boards to be manufactured in July


Sony has ordered circuit boards for the upcoming console from a Taiwanese company called COMPEQ. The company has not released any information on when production will start, but a source says that production will start in June or July - which reinforces the rumors of a PS3 release date towards the end of the year.

It is not the first time COMPEQ will work in conjunction with Sony. The company is already working on various parts for the portable game console, PSP, and hopefully the company will be able to build enough circuit boards to meet the high demand for the next generation console.

This might prove to increase PS3 sales as this means that the PS3 will be released during the Christmas season, and if Sony has learned from Microsoft’s mistakes they will release a lot of consoles right before Christmas to increase hype and sales during the holiday season.

[Fishbulb290]

Thanks for all this information.:thumbsup

[dh4645]

from http://www.ps3portal.com

It would appear that the drought of PS3 information is coming to a close. Jamil Moledina, Game Developers Conference (GDC) director, has revealed that SCE’s Phil Harrison will be dropping some new information at his keynote speech.

If that is not soon enough for you, Koei’s president Kiyoshi Komatsu let slip at a press conference today that Sony will be holding a conference of its own on March 15th. Komatsu said that he has “consulted with SCE about what kind of details they should announce, and [has] told them that I'm hoping they will make an announcement that will heat up the game industry”.

Sony has yet to confirm the conference for the 15th, but no matter what it appears that we will be getting some new information this month. It seems a bit strange to hold a press conference so close to GDC; however it wouldn’t be completely unheard of. If there is any significant information given at the press conference next week you can expect it to be reiterated by Phil Harrison in his keynote.

Sony’s keynote speech at GDC, entitled “PlayStation 3: Beyond the Box”, will be held on March 22nd and will cap off what has been an amazing software month for the industry. Check back with PS3Portal frequently, we will keep this story updated and hopefully be bringing you some awesome new information next week.

[DMBBeav]

^^^^Again, to any doubters about if I have inside info, I said this over a month ago. And no, it wasn't revealed on any net source(to my knowledge) when I said it. I guess you can say that common sense presents it in such a way(GDC, Phil is probably going to talk there, a new product is coming out) but I got it straight from a horse's mouth.

I know nothing about an announcement later this week. Maybe a 'slip' about the online stuff...

[OCMarsh]

In other news, Oblivion comes out in one week. :bounce

[DMBBeav]

So I heard through the grapevine there might be a 'leak' tomorrow and it is bad news for the PS3. You have been warned.

[dh4645]

whats the leak?

i heard today on the news that the ps3 is officially delayed until November and the main reason stated was the copy protection stuff with the blu-ray drive.

[DMBBeav]

Rumor I heard late yesterday was wrong. The current news goes in line with everything I've been hearing since December.

I fear they will have similar problems as 360 regarding a shortage though. Long story short, cause it isn't true, leak I heard yesterday had the PS3 coming out IN JAPAN ONLY in November followed by America in February of '07. The thought was there was going to be leak so people could get over the shock this week so when Phil does his speech next week it isn't a surprise...but thankfully that isn't true.

[dh4645]

wow, that would have pissed me off...november i can handle...but not 2/07.

glad it's not true

[Duffman1026]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696054p1.html

PS Biz Brief 06: PS3 Worldwide Release in November
It's official. Details and more inside. Now updated with more info!
by Jeremy Dunham (http://ps3.ign.com/email.html)


March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

"A completely simultaneous launch is physically impossible," Kutaragi said, "but we believe we'll be able ship to users throughout the world around this time."

Sony's (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696054p1.html#) production line is set to pump out one million units per month to meet demand, with a total of six million units to be produced in Fiscal Year 2006 (through March 2007) alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.

Check soon for more.

[OCMarsh]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696054p1.html

PS Biz Brief 06: PS3 Worldwide Release in November
It's official. Details and more inside. Now updated with more info!
by Jeremy Dunham (http://ps3.ign.com/email.html)


March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

"A completely simultaneous launch is physically impossible," Kutaragi said, "but we believe we'll be able ship to users throughout the world around this time."

Sony's (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696054p1.html#) production line is set to pump out one million units per month to meet demand, with a total of six million units to be produced in Fiscal Year 2006 (through March 2007) alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.

Check soon for more.

Ouch. Sony is already admitting that the system will not launch simultaneously worldwide. We always knew it will be out first in Japan, but if they are already admitting to a staggered launch I think 2007 is a real possibility for the US.

[dh4645]

Ouch. Sony is already admitting that the system will not launch simultaneously worldwide. We always knew it will be out first in Japan, but if they are already admitting to a staggered launch I think 2007 is a real possibility for the US.

nah, they'll just release it in japan in the beginning of November and the U.S. like 2 weeks later...they dont want to miss xmas in the U.S.

[dh4645]

from
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200603/N06.0315.1222.53690.htm

Today Sony Computer Entertainment Japan announced that the official release date of the PlayStation 3 will be pushed back from the original Spring window until November. While this move surprises no one, Sony will be attempting to launch the console before the busy holiday season simultaneously in Japan, North America, and Europe. The actual dates haven’t been revealed, but Sony Computer Entertainment President Ken Kutaragi said that the console will be available in all territories before Thanksgiving – and more accurately within the first ten days of the month of November.

Since Spring has arrived and no new PlayStation 3 news has been released, Kutaragi emphasized that this meeting was held to apologize for the delay of information.

Sony is blaming the launch delay on the development of some of the core technology of the PlayStation 3, including the copyright protection of the Blu-ray Disc technology, as well as suiting the new console for the latest HDMI support.

"When we initially announced our plans to launch this spring, we had expected the standardization work on all of the technologies to be completed by last August, but there were improvements that were decided on since then," stated Kutaragi.

Kutaragi said that this delay will allow the company to prepare for the impending holiday launch. The company plans on shipping one million PlayStation 3 consoles per month after the simultaneous worldwide launch. Sony believes they can ship six million consoles by the end of the fiscal year – which is March 2007. Developers on the other hand will have final development kits by June.

A few new revelations include the fact that the PlayStation 3 will use a 60GB 2.5” hard disc drive which will use Linux as its core operating system. This hard drive can be fully upgradeable, directly connect to the internet, and be used as a home server. While the hard disc drive will be required to play PlayStation 3 games, Kutaragi stated that the company hasn’t decided whether or not they will include the hard drive with the PlayStation 3, which could force gamers an additional purchase at launch.

While gamers who currently play online games with the PlayStation 2 know how much simpler the Xbox Live service is, Sony announced their similar online service will be ready once PlayStation 3 launches in November. Dubbed the PlayStation Network Platform, this service will have similar Xbox Live components such as matchmaking, video chat, voice chat, rankings, buddy lists, microtransaction shopping, and other game downloads. Sony is enlisting GameSpy for the technology behind this, and this new service will allow game publishers to directly connect to their own servers, which is something that isn’t readily available for publishers who make their games playable over Xbox Live. Suprisingly, Sony has stated that their base online service will be free. Whether or not there will be a premium service was not disclosed at the meeting.

PlayStation 3 software will only be released on Blu-ray discs to help combat piracy which is rampant with current PlayStation 2 and PlayStation DVD and CD-Roms. Kutaragi reiterated that the PlayStation 3 will be backwards compatible with previous PlayStation software, and games will be upscaled to high-definition resolutions.

Kutaragi also had a number of PSP announcements to unveil as well, including a price drop of the PSP base system (PSP Hardware and AC Adapter only) to $199. This new PSP pricing will go into effect at the end of March in North America. The company also detailed a few new PSP elements that should roll out by this year including a new camera and USB GPS receiver which will work with certain games. The camera will be available in North America this Spring (with announcements pending) and the GPS device before the Fall. A new version of Hot Shots Golf would be one of the titles utilizing this new accessory. There will also be new RSS support, Eye Toy Play, video chat and voice over IP support. In the mean time, the PSP Browser will see an upgrade this spring which will include the much needed Flash 6.0 support, which the PSP browser has not supported until this release.

Finally, Kutaragi revealed the fact that they are working on a PlayStation 1 emulator for the PSP which would allow users the ability to download PS1 software directly to the memory stick. Timing and pricing wasn’t revealed for this new download service.

[dh4645]

2 more news stories from ps3land.com

Sony: Worldwide launch, 6 million units, hard drive and more...


Ken Kutaragi has officially confirmed that the PlayStation 3 will have a worldwide launch in November.

Sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units by the end of the fiscal year (March 2007).

They have also announced that the PS3's online service will feature community tools including lobby matching and voice chat. Software can be purchased as well, and booted via the hard drive.

All PS3 games will be on the Blu-ray format, in an attempt to reduce piracy.

Kutaragi confirmed that a 60GB hard drive, which will support Linux, will ship with the system out of the box.

The PS3 will be 100% backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games. Furthermore, it will upscale old games into high defintion.

The final PS3 dev kits will ship in June, with 15 different companies making tools and middleware for the SDK.

So finally we have been given a fantastic amount of information, hopefully silencing some concerns brought about by analysts. It is true that the PS3 has been delayed, but thankfully '2007' is not a part of Sony's plans.

---------------------------

Further PS3 details annouced at GDC


Phil Harrison, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide President, gave a keynote speech yesterday titled 'PlayStation 3: Beyond the Box'. The speech lasted an hour, and we've summarised what was said below.

It was confirmed that all PlayStation 3 games would be region-free. This follows what was done with Sony's handheld console, the PSP. It has yet to be seen how games will deal with differences between PAL, NTSC and SECAM TVs, but Phil Harrison did suggest that multiple versions of the same game will fit on the 50GB Blu-ray discs. This will allow developers to distribute identical versions (or SKUs) around the world.

Sony will unveil the final design of the controller at E3 in May. Harrison refused to accept that the recent lawsuit with Immersion Inc. was the reason the controller wasn't on display at GDC.

Harrison confirmed that Sony will not charge for playing games online. Its "basic" service, which will launch with the PS3, will use the "open philosophy", giving developers flexibility whilst also allowing them to use Sony Computer Entertainment's own infrastructure.

Sony is also pushing digital distribution, and Harrison hopes their online service with the 60GB hard drive will be used to download a whole host of digital media. Movies, TV shows and music will be available, probably through micropayment with their Connect service.

A number of games were also shown off, many in real time. Resistance, formerly I-8, The Getaway, Rachet and Clank, Warhawk and MotorStorm were all displayed at high resolution in real time.

A few new technical demonstrations were shown as well, including a brand new ducks demo, and a car demo.

God of War II, for PlayStation 2, was also given its time in the spotlight with an exuberantly violent video.

Harrison confirmed there are to be playable games at E3 this year, in particular Warhawk.

[davehead86]

Cool to finally hear some news from Sony.



I wonder, when you put a non HD image on a HD tv it almost feels like it would look better in the format it was made for, will this also happen with the backwards compatable games?

[dh4645]

Cool to finally hear some news from Sony.



I wonder, when you put a non HD image on a HD tv it almost feels like it would look better in the format it was made for, will this also happen with the backwards compatable games?

i wouldnt know, but i understand what you are saying.

i am just glad the hard drive will be included in the ps3...that would have been a dick move if it wasnt.

[GoodDayIIDie]

I wonder, when you put a non HD image on a HD tv it almost feels like it would look better in the format it was made for, will this also happen with the backwards compatable games?

I now play all my games using a VGA signal converter so that they run on my CRT monitor. The converter makes current generation games look extremely sharp, even if the colors are not are rich as my television. However, when I play something like Goldeneye or the original Perfect Dark, the games actually look worse. In those cases, the increased resolution of the monitor actually makes the faults in the graphics look more pronounced. Same situation when I play PS 1 games on it.

Ironically enough, SNES games still look pretty good. That's because SNES games ran at a higher resolution (512x448) than most PS 1 games (320x240, if I remember correctly). Using a higher-res monitor is not always better.

[dh4645]

whats this VGA signal converter?

[DaveHead40]

xbox 360

[GoodDayIIDie]

whats this VGA signal converter?

It's a small contraption that sort of looks like RF modulators from the old SNES, NES, Genesis days. The one that I bought (sold here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006B522Y/sr=8-12/qid=1143665491/ref=sr_1_12/002-7781830-5516014?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)) works well like I said above, displaying games in very high resolution, although the colors could be a little more rich. It basically takes any video signal you can hook up to it and displays it on your CRT or LCD monitor. It accomodates both S-Video and Composite hookups and connects in such a way that allows you to toggle back and forth between your PC signal and console signal. The converter also allows the sound to be run through your soundcard, so if you've got a decent one you can blast it.

Sadly, it looks like Amazon is sold out of them. There's a review on that page forever linking to newer device sold here (http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=67&Itemid=28), which claims to have better color on it also. It's a little risky trying out one of these devices. Manufacturers have been selling them for years now, but they have yet to take off like other gaming peripherals. Buyer beware.

[davehead86]

I now play all my games using a VGA signal converter so that they run on my CRT monitor. The converter makes current generation games look extremely sharp, even if the colors are not are rich as my television. However, when I play something like Goldeneye or the original Perfect Dark, the games actually look worse. In those cases, the increased resolution of the monitor actually makes the faults in the graphics look more pronounced. Same situation when I play PS 1 games on it.

Ironically enough, SNES games still look pretty good. That's because SNES games ran at a higher resolution (512x448) than most PS 1 games (320x240, if I remember correctly). Using a higher-res monitor is not always better.




Yeah tahts exactly what i was saying. So will the HD stuff look like crap on my smaller low res TV, or will it jsut be a problem with the First Gen games on HD tvs, and do yall think that Sony has already thought of this issue and has something to dial down the resolution ?

[GoodDayIIDie]

Yeah tahts exactly what i was saying. So will the HD stuff look like crap on my smaller low res TV, or will it jsut be a problem with the First Gen games on HD tvs, and do yall think that Sony has already thought of this issue and has something to dial down the resolution ?

I couldn't tell ya. I get the impression that the technology can't be all that difficult. The Mega Man Collection for PS2 would have had the same problem if the games ran in their original resolution on my CRT monitor, but it didn't. They obviously solved this problem within the software somehow.

[dh4645]

article from ps3land.com

12-4-2006
Toys 'R' Us takes PS3 preorders


Toys 'R' Us is one of the first high street retailers to begin taking preorders for the PlayStation 3.

By paying a $50 deposit, gamers can preorder the console itself, the 60GB hard drive, two games and a controller.

Currently, preorders are only taking place in the retailer's North American stores, and not on their website). GameStop, another large US games retailer, stated that it would not take preorders before the end of May.

Sony recently announced that the PlayStation 3 would be released worldwide in November, after delays in Blu-ray specification finalisation. Unfortunately, they have not yet indicated a price, but with the technology due to ship with Sony's next generation console, many analysts believe it could cost upward of $500.

On the other hand, with the PS3 now launching a full year after Microsoft's Xbox 360, Sony will have to price competitively.

Hopefully Sony will reveal more launch details at E3 next month, and we'll let you know of any developments.

[gbs3769]

I just hope that Halo 3 is ready by the PS3 Launch date.

The 360 is amazing.

- Primo

[dh4645]

will halo 3 just be for the 360?
i played through halo 2 in coop mode...non-stop. it was great.

[explode41]

Xbox has the secret weapon HALO 3 or Halo Online whichever I can't filter the rumors from the truth, they are saying that it was not be Halo 3 but a prequel, and it is likely to be MMOFPS (Mass Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter) It will be the "Billion Dollar Game".....

[Fishbulb290]

will halo 3 just be for the 360?
i played through halo 2 in coop mode...non-stop. it was great.

Of course Halo will be Microsoft only.

I think primo meant that in order to defer the sales of the PS3 they should release Halo 3 simultaneously.

[dh4645]

Of course Halo will be Microsoft only.

I think primo meant that in order to defer the sales of the PS3 they should release Halo 3 simultaneously.

i know what he meant, i was asking if it was just for the 360 or will it be for the original xbox too?

[Fishbulb290]

i know what he meant, i was asking if it was just for the 360 or will it be for the original xbox too?

:lol I thought you meant for PS3 as well.

I would highly doubt they would make it compatible with Xbox/Xbox 360. Force you to buy the newer system.

[DMBBeav]

This all reminds me...I am getting this from some magazines I saw laying around the office, this is not inside info so take it as you will.

I saw an interesting article about playing SNES / Nintendo systems on the HD TVs that we will all have eventually. The problem is that apparently there is a delay from what shows up on your TV to how you play the game of half a second. The article showed pictures of Mike Tyson's Punch Out to show what happens if you don't have a delay(you dodge punches) to if you do(you get hit everytime). The point is, if there isn't a suitable machine to created to take away this delay(and apparently it is a tricky thing to do) playing old school games on their original systems will be annoying...

...which is why the Revolution looks better and better. Downloading those games will assure that there won't be a delay and, of course, the idea of downloading any old school game on command, playing them on their original controllers( I am hearing Nintendo will be selling old school NES controllers that plug into the Revolution), and the $200 price tag..it is too good to be true.

Meanwhile, all reports from gaming magazines are claiming Halo 3 won't be ready for PS3 launch and will probably be released sometime in '07. Gears of War will be the PS3 killer this year.

[dh4645]

i was counting the revolution out, but when i read an article in game informer about their launch title "red steel" i was really thinking about wanting one

[DMBBeav]

i was counting the revolution out, but when i read an article in game informer about their launch title "red steel" i was really thinking about wanting one

When I first heard about the Revolution, I laughed, The thought around the industry is basically 'Good thing Nintendo is trying it. I am glad it isn't us.'

But the more I think about it, the Revolution is the only one with a chance at being a phenomenon. It is also the only one that could be a spectacular failure.

Both PS3 and 360 will survive the next 4 or 5 years and it will be a battle for who has the more market share. I don't know...with all the emphasis on making everything look better without enough original ideas coming around to support them, Nintendo might be on the right track. If I am an average consumer and I have a choice between a $200 Revolution that has $50 games vs. a $400 360 or $500 PS3 that have $60-$70 games, I imagine that I look at the Revolution really hard.

We'll see at E3. The thing is, if history is any indicator, the Revolution will be barely noticeable at E3 and won't actually arrive in any country until Fall of '07, which will kill Nintendo right where they lay.

[explode41]

i read the the PS3 will cost between 600-700

[dh4645]

i read the the PS3 will cost between 600-700

i've heard it ranging anywhere from $500-900, but if they want to compete with the 360...it better be damn close to the $500 mark.

[DMBBeav]

i read the the PS3 will cost between 600-700

It won't be that much, I promise.

[Fishbulb290]

What do you think of the crazy controllers for Revolution?

[GoodDayIIDie]

i read the the PS3 will cost between 600-700


I really don't see this happening. Based on what happened with the 3DO and the Neo Geo, both game systems that sported humongous price tags, Sony will probably not follow suit. Having said that, I'm not denying that the systems may actually cost that much to produce and that Sony will sell them at a loss.

Seriously guys, it will probably be right around $300-400, unless retailers like Lamestop, EB Shames and Satan (er, Best Buy) try and force "bundles" for $600-700.

[DMBBeav]

I really don't see this happening. Based on what happened with the 3DO and the Neo Geo, both game systems that sported humongous price tags, Sony will probably not follow suit. Having said that, I'm not denying that the systems may actually cost that much to produce and that Sony will sell them at a loss.

Seriously guys, it will probably be right around $300-400, unless retailers like Lamestop, EB Shames and Satan (er, Best Buy) try and force "bundles" for $600-700.

I would be prepared for more of the $400-$500 range, but you are right, retailers can force any kind of bundle that will push it to $600-$700 and that will almost certainly happen.

[bense27]

I have the 360 but I think that the ps3 is going to be insane...oh and the revolution is going to suck. Whoever is actually going to sit there and swing the controller around is way too into videogames.

[Live 1966!]

when does PS3 Come out?>

[bense27]

end of this year? i think?

[Live 1966!]

there's no rough release date?

[bense27]

actually never mind I believe spring of 2007

[DMBBeav]

No, November of this year. Early November. Could be late October...

[GoodDayIIDie]

Whoever is actually going to sit there and swing the controller around is way too into videogames.


Yeah cause actually being into something is fucking stupid.

[Mickey Carson]

No, November of this year. Early November. Could be late October...
Good to know.

What about the Revolution?

[dh4645]

Good to know.

What about the Revolution?


ps3 - worldwide release in November 2006. might not be the same day in November worldwide, but it'll be close. they will release 1 million units a month for 6 months.

revolution - thanksgiving 2006 release

[explode41]

""Sony Computer Entertainment will delay the release of its PlayStation 3 next-generation video game console until early November because the copy-protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized," reported the paper. No specific regions were mentioned, making it unclear if the delay was for the Japanese PS3 or a worldwide release. "

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