2006 Major League Baseball Season

[jmudmbphan]

Its about that time again...discuss

[Hudak-Budak]

Indians in six. End of thread.

[jmudmbphan]

you really think they are going to get by the sox?

[junior94]

Indians in six. End of thread.

Ryan how do you feel about losing Coco Crisp, if the trade ever does in fact go through?

[clayj41]

Well, I keep telling myself that its the Cubs turn but I doubt it.:lorraine

[d+ter]

my sig says it all.....kind of.

[bubba40]

The ChiSox are the team to beat, although the Yanks are gaining ground. And Coco Crisp makes me hungry.

[Hudak-Budak]

Ryan how do you feel about losing Coco Crisp, if the trade ever does in fact go through?

If we get Austin Kearns, things could work out. We'd have a righty who could hit for power, and we already have a leadoff hitting center fielder in Grady Sizemore.

[Fishbulb290]

Ya I can see the ChiSox repeating but anything can happen. Let's go Rangers:lorraine

[justinandimcool]

I'm still quite irritated that the Dodgers STILL haven't picked up any quality pitching this offseason yet

[dmb1spe]

Yankees. Book it.

[justinandimcool]

Never, Alan. Never.






(ok, maybe)

[neumdogg]

It's the year of the LA Dodgers, bitches! Remember that!

[rrbthree24]

Juan Pierre is god

[justinandimcool]

It's the year of the LA Dodgers, bitches! Remember that!

I've said that every year for the past 7 years since I started watching baseball.

[neumdogg]

I've said that every year for the past 7 years since I started watching baseball.
Yea, but lets be honest.....This year we have a chance of making the playoffs.

[lillerfm]

Indians in six. End of thread.

I'm support this post...

:thumbsup

[lillerfm]

If we get Austin Kearns, things could work out. We'd have a righty who could hit for power, and we already have a leadoff hitting center fielder in Grady Sizemore.

I support this post as well...

:thumbsup

I'm not happy to see Coco go, but if it means getting something like a Kearns then I guess I have to be for it.

[dmb1spe]

I wish the Indians had traded for Count Chocula and Tony the Tiger that way their cereal lineup would be complete.

[saygdbye4134]

this, is our year.

[dmbkid08]

twins are gona take it for sure....well mabye

[jmudmbphan]

Yankees in 6...mabye against the dodgers

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck

[triplethreat112]

cubs in 4. you cant tell me with the addition of wade miller the cubs didnt shut the door on the series in 4? come on now. NEXT YEAR IS HERE! i dont know how much more i can take being a cubs fan. im ready to jumpship and become a southsider













yeah right! fuck the sox. white and red

[Nick@Night]

twins are gona take it for sure....well mabye
Right, the addition of Batista and White puts us over the top.....:rolleyes

[saygdbye4134]

Right, the addition of Batista and White puts us over the top.....:rolleyes

danny batista still plays baseball?

[neumdogg]

Yankees in 6...mabye against the dodgers

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck
I will second everything you said.....But Dodgers in 6

[jmudmbphan]

danny batista still plays baseball?

bautista..and yeah for the dbacks i believe

[Nick@Night]

danny batista still plays baseball?
Tony Batista, the 3B with the fucked up stance who used to play for Toronto.....

[MacGuyver]

hahahah, go blue jays!

we finally have some offence! at the sacrifice of our defence!

i like the upgrades JP made, I think we'll challenge at the very least for the wild card.

[jmudmbphan]

hahahah, go blue jays!

we finally have some offence! at the sacrifice of our defence!

i like the upgrades JP made, I think we'll challenge at the very least for the wild card.


dont kid yourself. at BEST, and thats if a lot of things go wrong for a lot of teams you will challenge for the wild card. at best.

[Crush Me DMB]

Brew Crew are gonna soar this year IMO

[jmudmbphan]

Brew Crew are gonna soar this year IMO

id like to see that :thumbsup

[Lcsulla]

Juan Pierre is god


I gotta believe God could hit higher than .276, post a better OBP than .326, and hit more than 2 homeruns! Sure he's an above average CF but offensively he isn't much of a threat at the plate. :)

Yanks should score 1000+ runs this year and bash out around 200 HR's. They'll win the east by 6-10 games and make a good run in the Postseason hopefully culminating with another series title!

[MacGuyver]

yeah i was half joking, as much as the jays improved, most of the other teams have either stayed the same or improved. at least we'll be more exciting, i seriously think they can take over the red sox, but the yanks should still finish first.

[dmbkid08]

Right, the addition of Batista and White puts us over the top.....:rolleyes
i mean we spend so much money its impossable for us to not win it all
oh man batista and whit of corse it will put us over the top for sure

[cfh72]

Watch out for the blue jays, they've made all the right moves, they have young talent, all they need to do is trade for a slugger

[lillerfm]

I wish the Indians had traded for Count Chocula and Tony the Tiger that way their cereal lineup would be complete.

ha ha....ha.........ha...

damn, that joke is only about 2 years old.

good one.

[lillerfm]

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck

Yeah, I hear that.

[Nick@Night]

i mean we spend so much money its impossable for us to not win it all
oh man batista and whit of corse it will put us over the top for sure
Now that we passed on the Big Hurt and he just signed with Oakland he probably has a career year and we'll be sitting here going...."Shit, we could have had him as our DH"

[cfh72]

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck

No amount of steroids can overshadow that fact that barry bonds is a great hitter, and has a great eye. He knows how to pick his pitch better than anybody. I'm hoping he does break hank aaron's record, but he won't, he'll retire before that to avoid a dispute.

[Fishbulb290]

No amount of steroids can overshadow that fact that barry bonds is a great hitter, and has a great eye. He knows how to pick his pitch better than anybody. I'm hoping he does break hank aaron's record, but he won't, he'll retire before that to avoid a dispute.

I doubt that. If it wasn't for his knees he would play until he hit 1000. I'm pretty sure if he had to he would play in a wheelchair, his arms are so jacked he could probably still hit homeruns.

[Alazais]

BLUE JAYS!!!!!! My Jays are going to bring the glory back to Canada this year.. I feel it..

[Jimp210]

Cardinals... Scott Rolens back. Tell me who can stop Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds? With The Cy Young Carpenter on the mound?

[DordtDbags]

Just watch the A's this year are going to win AL west and take it all the way. They got the pitching, now some more hitting and all the defensive you could want.
A's 2006 I call it.

[Jimp210]

U better hope they still have Zito...

[jmudmbphan]

No amount of steroids can overshadow that fact that barry bonds is a great hitter, and has a great eye. He knows how to pick his pitch better than anybody. I'm hoping he does break hank aaron's record, but he won't, he'll retire before that to avoid a dispute.


i dont hate him for the steroids..a lot of players have used them...

but i think he shows no respect for the game or its players...read the comment he made about babe ruth...and he has said publicy he is playing to break the record...he could care less about a dispute, he wants that record...

we all know hes a great hitter, no questions asked, but you dont think the roids helped him get to this record at all? of course they did...he wouldnt be where he is right now without the steroids..hed still be a hall of famer...but not going for the babe or hanks records.

[@drian]

BLUE JAYS!!!!!! My Jays are going to bring the glory back to Canada this year.. I feel it..

not yet... but they are on their way.. leaps and bounds ahead of last year...

power hitter, two great pitchers....

[cfh72]

I doubt that. If it wasn't for his knees he would play until he hit 1000. I'm pretty sure if he had to he would play in a wheelchair, his arms are so jacked he could probably still hit homeruns.


I still think he'll break babe's record this year and then retire

[DordtDbags]

U better hope they still have Zito...
yeah they still have Zito. Beane didn't even think about touching him after he saw what potential that they have for next year.

[ousooner]

Come on Royals. Let's at least win 63 this year and avoid 100 losses. Whooohooo!!

[saygdbye4134]

Cardinals... Scott Rolens back. Tell me who can stop Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds? With The Cy Young Carpenter on the mound?


bad ankles can stop pujols.

any body part on the upper torso can stop rolen.

age is going to stop edmonds. it already has affected his hitting.

carpenter......let's just say it's hard to be the only dependable pitcher on a staff. just ask carlos zambrano.

[@drian]

Cardinals... Scott Rolens back. Tell me who can stop Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds?

apparently boston can...

[dh4645]

baseball is so boring.

i used to play it, so now i can't stand watching it.

[@drian]

baseball is so boring.

i used to play it, so now i can't stand watching it.

i used to play too... how does that translate to boredom while watching it?

[41ravens]

i'll be pulling for the cubbies this year. i'm not the biggest baseball fan, but i follow it enough. plus, my asshole friend is a cardinal's fan and i love nothing more than to argue about sports with him until we're yelling at each other.

[Ascf33]

Anyone a season ticket holder to any of their teams??

I've always had partial plans for the Yankees in section 39... but this year my GF got me a full season ticket plan. I will be in section 39 doing role call every game! :multi

[jmudmbphan]

i'll be pulling for the cubbies this year. i'm not the biggest baseball fan, but i follow it enough. plus, my asshole friend is a cardinal's fan and i love nothing more than to argue about sports with him until we're yelling at each other.


hah...me and one of my roommates and i argue about sports until we are yelling at each other all the time..i thought we were the only ones.

[jmudmbphan]

Anyone a season ticket holder to any of their teams??

I've always had partial plans for the Yankees in section 39... but this year my GF got me a full season ticket plan. I will be in section 39 doing role call every game! :multi

lucky sob....dude if theres ever a weekend game you arent gonna be going to this summer, lemme know ill buy em from you

[neumdogg]

Anyone a season ticket holder to any of their teams??

I've always had partial plans for the Yankees in section 39... but this year my GF got me a full season ticket plan. I will be in section 39 doing role call every game! :multi
I split season tickets with 6 buddies for the Dodgers this year. Should be a lot of fun.

[DMB_Stl.Cards]

[quote=triplethreat112]cubs in 4. you cant tell me with the addition of wade miller the cubs didnt shut the door on the series in 4? come on now. NEXT YEAR IS HERE! i dont know how much more i can take being a cubs fan. im ready to jumpship and become a southsider

Why don't you jump a little further and be a Cardinals fan!! I am telling you it is blast!! They are fun to watch, we serve Bud Light, we have an MVP and A CY Young winner, we win in dramatic fashion, and a new stadium. Damn I can't wait. I have spring training tix and I am SOOO excited!!! I don't have tix for opening day, but am going there for the festivities!!! GO CARDINALS!!!

[41ravens]

hah...me and one of my roommates and i argue about sports until we are yelling at each other all the time..i thought we were the only ones.

yeah, we'll actually get pissed at each other over the stupidest shit. it's funny. and i'm usually right, which makes it better. like the other day, we argued about why villanova moved ahead of illinois in this weeks basketball poll. he felt that illinois still should've been ahead of nova, even though they lost and nova didn't. he's a jackass.

[jmudmbphan]

[quote=triplethreat112]cubs in 4. you cant tell me with the addition of wade miller the cubs didnt shut the door on the series in 4? come on now. NEXT YEAR IS HERE! i dont know how much more i can take being a cubs fan. im ready to jumpship and become a southsider

Why don't you jump a little further and be a Cardinals fan!! I am telling you it is blast!! They are fun to watch, we serve Bud Light, we have an MVP and A CY Young winner, we win in dramatic fashion, and a new stadium. Damn I can't wait. I have spring training tix and I am SOOO excited!!! I don't have tix for opening day, but am going there for the festivities!!! GO CARDINALS!!!

the AL is going to win the series again this year...yanks or white sox

[DMB_Stl.Cards]

Cardinals... Scott Rolens back. Tell me who can stop Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds? With The Cy Young Carpenter on the mound?

I like you!!!!!:D ;)

[jmudmbphan]

yeah, we'll actually get pissed at each other over the stupidest shit. it's funny. and i'm usually right, which makes it better. like the other day, we argued about why villanova moved ahead of illinois in this weeks basketball poll. he felt that illinois still should've been ahead of nova, even though they lost and nova didn't. he's a jackass.

i always feel im right too ...he says the stupidest shit

[Jimp210]

apparently boston can...

Rolen wasn't healthy... And Pujols hit .300 for the record. Edmonds had a bad series... And Carpenter wasn't healthy for the postseason. That was the difference. If Carpenter is on the mound in Game 1, we win. We lost 9-7, remember? Carpenter is sick and consistent, no way he gives up 7 runs. The team died... Doesn't mean they're going to again. Right now, they're in good shape. If the team stays healthy, it's got a great shot at the World Series. Mulder and Carpenter are great, and you have the MV3 in the middle.

[DordtDbags]

Dude it seems that everyone is either a Cards., Cubbies, bothes Soxs and yanks fan. There are other teams. Or is everyone just from the East.

[saygdbye4134]

[quote=triplethreat112]cubs in 4. you cant tell me with the addition of wade miller the cubs didnt shut the door on the series in 4? come on now. NEXT YEAR IS HERE! i dont know how much more i can take being a cubs fan. im ready to jumpship and become a southsider

Why don't you jump a little further and be a Cardinals fan!! I am telling you it is blast!! They are fun to watch, we serve Bud Light, we have an MVP and A CY Young winner, we win in dramatic fashion, and a new stadium. Damn I can't wait. I have spring training tix and I am SOOO excited!!! I don't have tix for opening day, but am going there for the festivities!!! GO CARDINALS!!!

Houston Astros '05
Boston Red Sox '04
Florida Marlins '03

shall i continue?

[neumdogg]

Go Dodgers!


Happy?

[DordtDbags]

Yeah I fell better now

[jmudmbphan]

[quote=DMB_Stl.Cards]

Houston Astros '05
Boston Red Sox '04
Florida Marlins '03

shall i continue?

houston?

[Ascf33]

[QUOTE=saygdbye4134]

houston?

I think he's talking about winning in dramatic fashion.... That Chris Burke guy hit that shot in extra innings w/ Clemens out of the bullpen in the NLCS, to advance to the world series.

[jmudmbphan]

[QUOTE=jmudmbphan]

I think he's talking about winning in dramatic fashion.... That Chris Burke guy hit that shot in extra innings w/ Clemens out of the bullpen in the NLCS, to advance to the world series.

ohh right right...i didnt follow.

[saygdbye4134]

[quote=saygdbye4134]

houston?


actually, what i was talking about was how they might win regular season games when they need to, but the postseason is a different story.

the marlins had their way with the cards in the NLCS.

the next year they made it to the series after winning 100 games, and got swept in four.

the next year make it to the NLCS again, and didnt show up.


dramatic during the regular season means nothing in the postseason.

[Antelope]

Indians in six. End of thread.

Hahaha

[Antelope]

American League East
1. Yankees
2. Blue Jays
3. Red Sox
4. Orioles
5. Devil Rays

[jmudmbphan]

i dont think anyone can slow down the yankees offense.

[cazzie34]

i dont think anyone can slow down the yankees offense.

That was said last year...and the year before...and the year before...and the year before...and the year before (That goes back to 2001 since they won it all in 2000)

Gotta be excited about their amazing pitching staff they are bringing back...Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson (42 years old), Mike Mussina (37 years old), Pavano, and Shawn Chacon...WATCH OUT!

[cazzie34]

Also they are ranked 17th in prospect strength for the 2006 season...so they will continue have to buy their talent from other organizations that do a better job of evaluating talent.

1. Dodgers
2. Marlins
3. Angels
4. D-Backs
5. Brewers
6. Twins
7. Red Sox
8. Braves
9. Rockies
10. D-Rays
11. Indians
12. White Sox
13. Orioles
14. Tigers
15. Cubs
16. Rangers
17. Yankees(24 in 2005)
18. Giants
19. Pirates
20. Astros
21. Cardinals
22. Phillies
23. Royals
24. Nationals
25. Blue Jays
26. Athletics
27. Mariners
28. Padres
29. Reds
30. Mets <------------(wow)

Taken from 2006 Baseball America Prospect Handbook

[@drian]

i dont think anyone can slow down the yankees offense.

maybe ill sell them some weed, haha j/k ;)

[musket015]

I am a Yankee fan but with that in mind trying not to be one sided i dont see any other team stopping them i know that has been the talk for the last 4 years and it hasnt been true but if you look at the starting lineup in the field all 9 guys r all stars except cano last year but who knows this year theres a very good chacne you could see all 9 guys including the pitcher as all stars maybe even 4 or 5 starters to but then people will say what about the pitching well pavano was hurt he is back and even though i think he is still unproven and may not work i still cant bet agaisnt him before he has proven or not proven himself and randy will be randy then we got a great set up guy dotel for rivera which also is setting up the end of riveras career is the exact saem thing that happened to wetland in New York if the Yankees do infact win it this year i wouldnt be suprised if Rivera hangs up his cleats
What other teams do people think have a chance

[MistreatedLewis]

I am a Yankee fan but with that in mind trying not to be one sided i dont see any other team stopping them i know that has been the talk for the last 4 years and it hasnt been true but if you look at the starting lineup in the field all 9 guys r all stars except cano last year but who knows this year theres a very good chacne you could see all 9 guys including the pitcher as all stars maybe even 4 or 5 starters to but then people will say what about the pitching well pavano was hurt he is back and even though i think he is still unproven and may not work i still cant bet agaisnt him before he has proven or not proven himself and randy will be randy then we got a great set up guy dotel for rivera which also is setting up the end of riveras career is the exact saem thing that happened to wetland in New York if the Yankees do infact win it this year i wouldnt be suprised if Rivera hangs up his cleats
What other teams do people think have a chance

I think the Yanks get to the post season easily. I am not sure they take it all. They will absolutely have competitors...

[MistreatedLewis]

i dont think anyone can slow down the yankees offense.


Except maybe the Yankees pitching staff. ;)

[MistreatedLewis]

American League East
1. Yankees
2. Blue Jays
3. Red Sox
4. Orioles
5. Devil Rays

That sounds about right.

[@drian]

I am a Yankee fan but with that in mind trying not to be one sided i dont see any other team stopping them i know that has been the talk for the last 4 years and it hasnt been true but if you look at the starting lineup in the field all 9 guys r all stars except cano last year but who knows this year theres a very good chacne you could see all 9 guys including the pitcher as all stars maybe even 4 or 5 starters to but then people will say what about the pitching well pavano was hurt he is back and even though i think he is still unproven and may not work i still cant bet agaisnt him before he has proven or not proven himself and randy will be randy then we got a great set up guy dotel for rivera which also is setting up the end of riveras career is the exact saem thing that happened to wetland in New York if the Yankees do infact win it this year i wouldnt be suprised if Rivera hangs up his cleats
What other teams do people think have a chance


Next time use some punctuation, maybe a few periods!

[cazzie34]

I love how no one plays the "team" concept when it comes to the Yankees. Why do you think the Yankees were so good from 96-98. Because they had the guys that would do the small things, who knew they weren't getting 400 AB's a year but did what they could with the AB's they have. I wouldn't want a team made up of all All-Stars, these people think that they are the reason the team wins. You only need 1-2 of those guys on your team to be successful. Look at the last few champions, how many stars did they have on offense. White Sox had one: Konerko (and he doesn't even seem like a super star kinda guy, they won with pitching) 2004: Damon, Ramirez, Ortiz (and Ortiz seems like the kind of guy who doesn't give a fuck about anything, just wants to dominate baseball, same with ramirez) 2003: Pudge and thats about it. 2002: Vlad, Garrett Anderson maybe but he seems super laid back. 2001: Luis Gonzalez and I can't think of anyone else that was spectacular on offense.

Age is still a continuing problem for the yankees, matsui is getting old, sheffield is getting old, luckily they got rid of B. Williams who could cover about 15 square feet in center field by the time the season ended. Posada isn't exactly a spring chicken either. Injuries could happen. I just don't see this team doing any more than they have done in the past. (I see them making the playoffs but thats about it)

[cazzie34]

I rescind my comment about Matsui being old, he is getting old

[DordtDbags]

I love how no one plays the "team" concept when it comes to the Yankees. Why do you think the Yankees were so good from 96-98. Because they had the guys that would do the small things, who knew they weren't getting 400 AB's a year but did what they could with the AB's they have. I wouldn't want a team made up of all All-Stars, these people think that they are the reason the team wins. You only need 1-2 of those guys on your team to be successful. Look at the last few champions, how many stars did they have on offense. White Sox had one: Konerko (and he doesn't even seem like a super star kinda guy, they won with pitching) 2004: Damon, Ramirez, Ortiz (and Ortiz seems like the kind of guy who doesn't give a fuck about anything, just wants to dominate baseball, same with ramirez) 2003: Pudge and thats about it. 2002: Vlad, Garrett Anderson maybe but he seems super laid back. 2001: Luis Gonzalez and I can't think of anyone else that was spectacular on offense.

Age is still a continuing problem for the yankees, matsui is getting old, sheffield is getting old, luckily they got rid of B. Williams who could cover about 15 square feet in center field by the time the season ended. Posada isn't exactly a spring chicken either. Injuries could happen. I just don't see this team doing any more than they have done in the past. (I see them making the playoffs but thats about it)

I totally agree with this. If you look at all the teams that have won the World Series the past few years it has been team ball. Real baseball is making a come back and it is winning. That is why the Yanks have no chance in hell it win any WS or LCS. Though they are starting to see the light they still are just throwing their pay check around the whole league trying to get any player that is a has been and was good. Every year they end up losing. It is the teams that are one and are do not have too many "I" guys. This is why the Angels beat Yanks in the Division Series. Angels are a team, the Yanks are a bunch of all-stars with inflated paychecks. Teams that work together win. Until the Yanks find this out they will not win another WS in the near future.

[DordtDbags]

As you see I hate the Yankees

[jmhawk1]

I totally agree with this. If you look at all the teams that have won the World Series the past few years it has been team ball. Real baseball is making a come back and it is winning. That is why the Yanks have no chance in hell it win any WS or LCS. Though they are starting to see the light they still are just throwing their pay check around the whole league trying to get any player that is a has been and was good. Every year they end up losing. It is the teams that are one and are do not have too many "I" guys. This is why the Angels beat Yanks in the Division Series. Angels are a team, the Yanks are a bunch of all-stars with inflated paychecks. Teams that work together win. Until the Yanks find this out they will not win another WS in the near future.

Minnesota Twins...
They build a team, and we all know they have the best farming system in the league. They play ball as a team, and live and die as a team. If a player is traded, they do not fair well as a player for the new team...only because they are used to the system of Minnesota.
They play small ball, and have great team cohesion (sp). they work well off of each other, and compliment each other well. they can field, hit, and come out of jams...they are a 2 out team. i have no worries if they are three or four down, as they come back a lot.

last year was a different story. this year they will be division champs again...four out of five...and they will be in the playoffs and hopefully beat the yanks...

GO TWINS...TWINS WIN

[musket015]

Next time use some punctuation, maybe a few periods!
Sorry i didnt use any periods. i will try better just for you since it matters so much.

[musket015]

I think the Yankees will have competitors to i just dont know who they will be the Angels always give the Yanks trouble. Also the Blue Jays and the White Sox but i dont see the national league as a threat

[saygdbye4134]

Sorry i didnt use any periods. i will try better just for you since it matters so much.


not just to him, but the rest of us who are trying to sort through the rubble of that train wreck you call english.

[jmudmbphan]

I think the Yankees will have competitors to i just dont know who they will be the Angels always give the Yanks trouble. Also the Blue Jays and the White Sox but i dont see the national league as a threat

whens the national league ever a threat

[41ravens]

whens the national league ever a threat

when your mom's in it.

*snicker*

[saygdbye4134]

when your mom's in it.

*snicker*


:lol

[UNC41]

Vlad for MVP!

[@drian]

Sorry i didnt use any periods. i will try better just for you since it matters so much.

It does, it is very hard to read one huge ass paragraph.

[@drian]

not just to him, but the rest of us who are trying to sort through the rubble of that train wreck you call english.

haha thanks for having my back barbara.

[SatelliteEyes]

2006 Will Be The Year Of The Beermakers!! Go Brewers Go!!!

My crazy out of this world dream standings

AL EAST:
Toronto
NYY
Boston
Tampa
Baltimore

AL Central
Chicago
Cleveland (Wild Card)
Minnesota
Detroit
KC

AL West
Oakland
LAA
Texas
Seattle

NL EAST
NYMets
ATL
PHI
WAS
FLA

NL CENTRAL
Cards
BREWERS (Wild Card)
Astros
Cubs
Pirates
Reds

NL WEST
Dodgers
Padres
D'Backs
Giants
Rockies

[@drian]

2006 Will Be The Year Of The Beermakers!! Go Brewers Go!!!

My crazy out of this world dream standings

AL EAST:
Toronto



i will die, if that happens, but it won't for another year or two.

[cazzie34]

2006 Will Be The Year Of The Beermakers!! Go Brewers Go!!!

My crazy out of this world dream standings

AL EAST:
Toronto
NYY
Boston
Tampa
Baltimore

AL Central
Chicago
Cleveland (Wild Card)
Minnesota
Detroit
KC

AL West
Oakland
LAA
Texas
Seattle

NL EAST
NYMets
ATL
PHI
WAS
FLA

NL CENTRAL
Cards
BREWERS (Wild Card)
Astros
Cubs
Pirates
Reds

NL WEST
Dodgers
Padres
D'Backs
Giants
Rockies



Thats not "out of this world" at all. AL east, AL west and NL wild card are the only ones that look surprising to me. And the AL west one can happen

[Ascf33]

2006 Will Be The Year Of The Beermakers!! Go Brewers Go!!!

My crazy out of this world dream standings

I don't see Toronto keeping the Yankees out of first. I do however see them fighting for the wildcard w/ Boston & Cleveland... and hopefully taking it.

[seekup41nancies]

No way the TOR will place over the Sox and Yanks. A.J. Burnett will flop, I am guessing. Sox are close to getting Crisp.

GO SOX!

[Hudak-Budak]

Sorry i didnt use any periods. i will try better just for you since it matters so much.

Capitalization and proper grammar would be sweet, too. Thanks.

[@drian]

No way the TOR will place over the Sox and Yanks. A.J. Burnett will flop, I am guessing. Sox are close to getting Crisp.

GO SOX!

toronto is a fresh young team, with tons of talent... they have been making great progess over the last couple of years... now with the addition of glaus, aj, and bj and they still have halladay... i see them having a really great shot at the wild card this year... but as long as the yankees keep spending over 200 million, it will be very tough for the jays to keep up... since the jays are basicaly a farm team for the yankees...

[Ascf33]

No way the TOR will place over the Sox and Yanks. A.J. Burnett will flop, I am guessing. Sox are close to getting Crisp.

GO SOX!

Yes I am a Yankee fan... but trying to take a neutral view on this, I don't think the Sox will be able to breeze through as many wins this year. I think they will really have to fight and get some hitters on streaks for fend off the Yankees and Blue Jays.

[@drian]

Yes I am a Yankee fan... but trying to take a neutral view on this, I don't think the Sox will be able to breeze through as many wins this year. I think they will really have to fight and get some hitters on streaks for fend off the Yankees and Blue Jays.

the jays have always played well against the yankees and bosox... if they can at least tie or beat the season series against both the yanks and bosox, then win a couple more games against the bottom teams, who the jays always struggle against...

then jays fans will have a reason in watching games all the way to september...

[Ascf33]

the jays have always played well against the yankees and bosox... if they can at least tie or beat the season series against both the yanks and bosox, then win a couple more games against the bottom teams, who the jays always struggle against...

then jays fans will have a reason in watching games all the way to september...

Exactly. I mean the Yankees had a loosing record against teams below 500. and they lost to the Devil Rays an insane ammount of times. If the Yanks even win half of those games, they will take the AL East with no problem.

[@drian]

Exactly. I mean the Yankees had a loosing record against teams below 500. and they lost to the Devil Rays an insane ammount of times. If the Yanks even win half of those games, they will take the AL East with no problem.

the devil rays have always given the other teams in the east a tough time.. too bad they suck ass against everyone else

[MilkOfHumanKind]

I don't want the Yankees to win and I don't think they will win but if Damon lives up to his billing the top of the order will produce runs in staggering numbers. Why were Ortiz and Manny so dangerous? Because Damon was always on base. But the AL is so deep I don't think it's going to be a cake walk for anyone. It's going to be the team that gets on the biggest roll after the allstar break.

[bradp]

I am a REDS fan and you are not getting Kearns for anything less than a #2 starter...and i am pretty sure you are not giving up a pitcher in that Division!

If we get Austin Kearns, things could work out. We'd have a righty who could hit for power, and we already have a leadoff hitting center fielder in Grady Sizemore.

[DordtDbags]

What I think will happen this season is this and post season:

AL West:
Oakland
Angels (wild card)
Texas
Seattle DS: Red Sox vs. Angels
(5 games)
AL East:
Red Sox
Yankees LCS: Red Sox vs. Oakland
Blue Jays
Tampa Bay
The O's
DS: Oakland vs. White Sox
Al Central: (5 games)
White Sox
Twins
Cleveland
Detroit WS: Oakland vs. Cards --->Oakland
Kansas City (in 6 games)

NL West:
Dodgers
San Diego
D-backs DS: Cards vs. Mets
San Fran (3 games)
Rockies

NL CENTRAL:
Cards LCS: Cards vs. Atlanta
Astros (5 games)
Cubs
Brewers
Reds
Pittsburg
DS: Atlanta vs. Dodgers
NL East: (4 games)
Atlanta
NY Mets (wild card)
Washington
Philly
Florida

It might look a little bias but that is really what I think is going to happen.

[bradp]

As far as the AL east is concerned, the team that is going to win will be the one that STARTS the hottest. The cold weather is always a bad thing for east coast temas, so it is imperative that they start out well on the early West Coast swing...which means obviously they are on the road. So the best road team in the AL east is going to win it.

As for the NL/AL WEST...who cares.....both Division winners will proabably be at .500 and not even have a chance in the postseason.

The AL Central will be a great division to watch, jsut b/c of the starting pitching and all around game that teams like Chicago and Cleveland ( STL/Hou) bring to the table.

Watch out for the NY Mets though....they are going to be a serious threat to actually unseat the Mazzone-less Braves!! WHO CARES.....LETS JUST PLAY BALL!!! GO REDLEGS!!!

I don't want the Yankees to win and I don't think they will win but if Damon lives up to his billing the top of the order will produce runs in staggering numbers. Why were Ortiz and Manny so dangerous? Because Damon was always on base. But the AL is so deep I don't think it's going to be a cake walk for anyone. It's going to be the team that gets on the biggest roll after the allstar break.

[bradp]

As far as the AL east is concerned, the team that is going to win will be the one that STARTS the hottest. The cold weather is always a bad thing for east coast temas, so it is imperative that they start out well on the early West Coast swing...which means obviously they are on the road. So the best road team in the AL east is going to win it.

As for the NL/AL WEST...who cares.....both Division winners will proabably be at .500 and not even have a chance in the postseason.

The AL Central will be a great division to watch, jsut b/c of the starting pitching and all around game that teams like Chicago and Cleveland ( STL/Hou) bring to the table.

Watch out for the NY Mets though....they are going to be a serious threat to actually unseat the Mazzone-less Braves!! WHO CARES.....LETS JUST PLAY BALL!!! GO REDLEGS!!!

I don't want the Yankees to win and I don't think they will win but if Damon lives up to his billing the top of the order will produce runs in staggering numbers. Why were Ortiz and Manny so dangerous? Because Damon was always on base. But the AL is so deep I don't think it's going to be a cake walk for anyone. It's going to be the team that gets on the biggest roll after the allstar break.

[jmudmbphan]

As far as the AL east is concerned, the team that is going to win will be the one that STARTS the hottest. The cold weather is always a bad thing for east coast temas, so it is imperative that they start out well on the early West Coast swing...which means obviously they are on the road. So the best road team in the AL east is going to win it.

As for the NL/AL WEST...who cares.....both Division winners will proabably be at .500 and not even have a chance in the postseason.

The AL Central will be a great division to watch, jsut b/c of the starting pitching and all around game that teams like Chicago and Cleveland ( STL/Hou) bring to the table.

Watch out for the NY Mets though....they are going to be a serious threat to actually unseat the Mazzone-less Braves!! WHO CARES.....LETS JUST PLAY BALL!!! GO REDLEGS!!!


did you not watch at all last season, when the yankees had one of their worst starts in history and came b ack to win the AL east???? what are you talking about the winning team has to start hot?

[DordtDbags]

[quote=bradp]As for the NL/AL WEST...who cares.....both Division winners will proabably be at .500 and not even have a chance in the postseason.quote]

East Coast Bias
I can see NL West but not the AL

[Ascf33]

What I think will happen this season is this and post season:


AL East:
Red Sox
Yankees LCS: Red Sox vs. Oakland
Blue Jays
Tampa Bay
The O's
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This is terrible. Sox will not win the division. They haven't in like 9 years... what makes you think this year would be different? Their team is not as good as it was the last few years, and you don't even have the Yankees making the playoffs. Whatever you are smoking, send that shit this way.

[Ascf33]

did you not watch at all last season, when the yankees had one of their worst starts in history and came b ack to win the AL east???? what are you talking about the winning team has to start hot?

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Sox always get the East lead... then the Yankees get hot during the summer and take it back over.

[DordtDbags]

Yeah actually after thinking about it a little more I think that Yankees will maybe win the East. But really I think it will be a toss up.

[Ascf33]

Yeah actually after thinking about it a little more I think that Yankees will maybe win the East. But really I think it will be a toss up.

Yeah. The regular season means nothing once October hits. Everyone is undefeated and has an equal chance to make it to the next round (excluding home field advantage).

In the AL I think it will honestly be:

YANKEES
WHITE SOX
ANGELS
BLUE JAYS (WC)

[DordtDbags]

The only thing that I think that will hurt the Yankees though is the pitching. They are getting really old though they have Chacon. I think that it is good that they got Fransworth to set up for Rivera. Fransworth is a fucking freak. Like all the times that he tackles the other teams. But I think that if they can get control of his emotions that he could an A- A relief pitcher.

[Ascf33]

The only thing that I think that will hurt the Yankees though is the pitching. They are getting really old though they have Chacon. I think that it is good that they got Fransworth to set up for Rivera. Fransworth is a fucking freak. Like all the times that he tackles the other teams. But I think that if they can get control of his emotions that he could an A- A relief pitcher.

:thumbsup
As long as he can come out for 1 inning and let the Yanks get to Mo, he will do his job. Its when he gets to long counts, more then 4-5 hitters, he starts getting emotional and then we all know what happens.

[saygdbye4134]

Devil Rays in 6.





























:rolleyes .

[SatelliteEyes]

Damon vs. Coco Crisp

2005 Stats:

Damon: BA: .316 OBP .360 SLG: .439 OPS: .805

Crisp: BA: .300 OBP: .345 SLG: .465 OPS: .810

In 2006 Damon will be 32 and will make 13 Million a year. Crisp will be just 26 and make 364k.

I expect Damon to put up something similar to his line last year, but slightly below that. The reason being is that he is leaving Fenway Park, where he put up a line of

.318/.388/.448 for an OPS of .836 the last 3 years.

His Road numbers for the past 3 years were quite a bit below that.

.278/.340/.433 for an OPS of .773 on the road.

From ESPN.com

Left-handed batters who can use the inside-out swing to hit the ball to left can add points to their average as well - Wade Boggs practically coined the term "wall double," and Fred Lynn, Carl Yastrzemski, and of course Ted Williams all learned to use the Wall. In 5 of the last 6 years, Fenway has boosted left-handed batting averages more than right-handed averages.

Now let's look at Damon's number at Yankee Stadium. In 119 ABs he hit

.265/.326/.376 for an OPS of a whopping .702 (which is horrible). Moving to Yankee stadium might hurt Damon's numbers.

While Yankee Stadium does help LH hitters some, it is mostly for LH power/pull hitters - which Damon is not, he is a spray hitter. Damon has only hit 20 HRs once in his career and has only topped 15 two other times.

I'll predict .280/.345/.440 for a .785 OPS in 2006. That is factoring park adjustments, age decline, and not being able to hit off of NY's awful pitching staff for 19 games a year. Going forward from there on I see Damon putting up OPS of .775-.740 in the last 3 years of that contract.

Congrats NY, you are paying Damon 13 million to be a movie star and to be a very average CF...with a wet noodle for an arm I might add.


What does all of this mean? Well, I just wanted to point out that the Yanks have the worst CF between NY, Boston and Toronto (who has Vernon Wells) and they have the worst starting rotation (it's a 42 y/o randy johnson and not much else).

They should have a very good offense, but I wouldnt really count on anyone past ARod, Jeter and Matsui to be better than average to above average.

Yes, the Yankees are the favorites, but as they keep getting older and more expensive the chances the bottom falls out just increases.

[Ascf33]

They should have a very good offense, but I wouldnt really count on anyone past ARod, Jeter and Matsui to be better than average to above average.

Yes, the Yankees are the favorites, but as they keep getting older and more expensive the chances the bottom falls out just increases.

Damon?
Sheffield?
Cano?
Giambi?

[SatelliteEyes]

Damon?
Sheffield?
Cano?
Giambi?


Come one dude. You didn't really just read my entire post about Damon and then drop him first on the list of stud offensive players did you?? BEsides, I said Arod, Jeter and Matsui are the only ones NY fans can count on. The other 4 have issues. They could very well be the best at their positions, but I wouldnt bet on it. Especially Cano.

Cano has about the emptiest batting average in all of baseball. I challenge you to find me another hitter who has hit .300 and has an OBP below 330.

When Cano hits about .275 this year and has an OBP of .299 things wont look as peachy. Which is exactly where he was at before he blew up in September. Add in the fact that he can't hit in Yankee Stadium (.252/.274/.378 ouch) and he can't really hit lefties (.662 OPS) and you are looking at a LH platoon 2nd Baseman who doesnt walk or hit for much power.

Giambi had a decent bounce back season last year. The guy takes walks like a mad man, which means even when he slumps he wont be that bad, but he is still 35 years. I think he'll regress some this season, but he'll be an above average 1b in the AL, somewhere around 6th best.

Sheffield. He's definitely a HOF OF. But he'll be 37 this year and he should decline a little more (2003 OPS 1.023, 2004- .927, 2005-.891). He will be above average, probably about a .860-.875 OPS, which is still very good.

That said, with Sheffield and Giambi, when guys get north of 35 they tend to get injured more frequently.

NYY will have a very good offense, like I said before, and they'll need it because their pitching and defense wont be very good.

[Ascf33]

^ I respectfully disagree... and believe me, I read your post.

Cano was a rookie, he strikes out alot, and swings at shittier pitches then Vlad. He's cocky, and showboats a little. His fielding was garbage bc he was originally an OF. Give him some time. He worked out w/ Jeter & Arod during the offseason. Two people that can only make his game better.

Giambi, although aging, just came off his comback player of the year season. All he has to do is not get off to such a dismal start, and he will hit .285 w/ 30 HR easy. The downside is that he will have to play many more games at 1B this year... which could affect his stamina and hitting.

Sheff, I believe you are correct... but its his clutch hits and hits/HRs with runners on base and in scoring position where he comes up biggest. His avg and OBP may suffer but his RBIs surely don't.

Damon, the best and most honest thing I guess I can say is we'll see? He could pull an Arod or he could pull a Vlad. (Granted I know he's not the same caliber of player, just using their trade seasons as an example.) Its going to be a fun year for baseball I think.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yankees in 6...mabye against the dodgers

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck

but before that happens, lets hope that arod dies in a car crash while sucking off dereck jeter. ill admit jeter is a good guy, but arod is a fucking shithead. he is always doing cheap shit on the field, like the famous incident in alcs 04, and last year i watched a game where he hit a fly ball to right field and sheff was on first and didnt tag up. the RF caught arods flyout and threw to first and as arod was leaving the baseline he purposely went along the dirt on the right side of the infield to go back to the dugout he fucking kicked the ball as it was being thrown to frist to try to double up sheffield. i know you are going to say that its strategy and blah blah fucking blah, but admit it arod is a fucking shithead with a huge ego, and he plays dirty. im playing for us, no the dominican, no the us, no the dominican, nope the us!!!!!! dumb idiot. "i need every bit of the 250 mill contract because its just enough to take care of my family" hahahahh he said that a few years ago when asked about his contract. he is a shithead. and by the way, i LOOOOOVE how he talked shit about curt schilling back in 04, but then proceeded to provide absolutly, NO production in the playoffs, and he struck out a few times by schilling. hes a joke

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yankees in 6...mabye against the dodgers

on another note.. before the season starts I hope Barry Bonds falls down a flight of stairs and snaps his neck

but before that happens, lets hope that arod dies in a car crash while sucking off dereck jeter. ill admit jeter is a good guy, but arod is a fucking shithead. he is always doing cheap shit on the field, like the famous incident in alcs 04, and last year i watched a game where he hit a fly ball to right field and sheff was on first and didnt tag up. the RF caught arods flyout and threw to first and as arod was leaving the baseline he purposely went along the dirt on the right side of the infield to go back to the dugout he fucking kicked the ball as it was being thrown to frist to try to double up sheffield. i know you are going to say that its strategy and blah blah fucking blah, but admit it arod is a fucking shithead with a huge ego, and he plays dirty. im playing for us, no the dominican, no the us, no the dominican, nope the us!!!!!! dumb idiot. "i need every bit of the 250 mill contract because its just enough to take care of my family" hahahahh he said that a few years ago when asked about his contract. he is a shithead. and by the way, i LOOOOOVE how he talked shit about curt schilling back in 04, but then proceeded to provide absolutly, NO production in the playoffs, and he struck out a few times by schilling. hes a joke

[UglyNakedGuy]

toronto is a fresh young team, with tons of talent... they have been making great progess over the last couple of years... now with the addition of glaus, aj, and bj and they still have halladay... i see them having a really great shot at the wild card this year... but as long as the yankees keep spending over 200 million, it will be very tough for the jays to keep up... since the jays are basicaly a farm team for the yankees...

the yankees dont have a farm team, they trade it away for big name players at the decline of their careers. lol

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yes I am a Yankee fan... but trying to take a neutral view on this, I don't think the Sox will be able to breeze through as many wins this year. I think they will really have to fight and get some hitters on streaks for fend off the Yankees and Blue Jays.

the red sox have a better team than they did last year. obviously that is opinion since the season hasnt started yet, but they will be a better team than they were last year according to me. their pitching is far superior than the yankees.

[Ascf33]

but before that happens, lets hope that arod dies in a car crash while sucking off dereck jeter. ill admit jeter is a good guy, but arod is a fucking shithead. he is always doing cheap shit on the field, like the famous incident in alcs 04, and last year i watched a game where he hit a fly ball to right field and sheff was on first and didnt tag up. the RF caught arods flyout and threw to first and as arod was leaving the baseline he purposely went along the dirt on the right side of the infield to go back to the dugout he fucking kicked the ball as it was being thrown to frist to try to double up sheffield. i know you are going to say that its strategy and blah blah fucking blah, but admit it arod is a fucking shithead with a huge ego, and he plays dirty. im playing for us, no the dominican, no the us, no the dominican, nope the us!!!!!! dumb idiot. "i need every bit of the 250 mill contract because its just enough to take care of my family" hahahahh he said that a few years ago when asked about his contract. he is a shithead. and by the way, i LOOOOOVE how he talked shit about curt schilling back in 04, but then proceeded to provide absolutly, NO production in the playoffs, and he struck out a few times by schilling. hes a joke

You do remember the walk off bomb he hit on his 1st AB against him in relief right?


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[Ascf33]

the red sox have a better team than they did last year. obviously that is opinion since the season hasnt started yet, but they will be a better team than they were last year according to me. their pitching is far superior than the yankees.

A healthy Carl Pavano is better then a healthy Matt Clement IMO.

[UglyNakedGuy]

You do remember the walk off bomb he hit on his 1st AB against him in relief right?
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re read my post and notice i refered to 2004 ALCS. he shouldnt have won mvp either...ortiz might not play defense, but he had far more impact on his team than arod did. ortiz hit tons and tons of winning hits or hrs. arod hits homeruns when the yankees are already winning 6-2 or something.

[UglyNakedGuy]

A healthy Carl Pavano is better then a healthy Matt Clement IMO.

pavano was healthy at the beginning of last year, and what did he do? his 2004 was a fluke.

[Ascf33]

re ead my post and notice i refered to 2004 ALCS. he shouldnt have won mvp either...ortiz might not play defense, but he had far more impact on his team than arod did. ortiz hit tons and tons of winning hits or hrs. arod hits homeruns when the yankees are already winning 6-2 or something.

Right. But you can't say Arod didn't back up his shit talking. Schilling deals out more smack and bullshit from his mouth then pitches thrown. He's a regular caller on a radio show just to bitch. Arod called him out, Schill snapped back, and Arod ended it with a moonshot to left center to win the game.

Playoffs are another story. Any Yankee fan will agree with you that arod was garbage in the post season two years in a row.

EDIT: More then garbage... pure shit. It pisses me off just thinking about how shitty he was.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Right. But you can't say Arod didn't back up his shit talking. Schilling deals out more smack and bullshit from his mouth then pitches thrown. He's a regular caller on a radio show just to bitch. Arod called him out, Schill snapped back, and Arod ended it with a moonshot to left center to win the game.

Playoffs are another story. Any Yankee fan will agree with you that arod was garbage in the post season two years in a row.

EDIT: More then garbage... pure shit. It pisses me off just thinking about how shitty he was.


re read my post, i was talking about 2004. to my recollection last year was 2005...and he was facing a less than healthy schilling. however in 2004 he didnt do shit to back up his shit talking

[UglyNakedGuy]

ps schilling says what everyone else thinks but doesnt have the balls to say it. most people hate arod. even his ex teammaets with texas dont like him, they said he treated them like they played in little league, with telling them 'make sure you get your secondary lead" and gay shit like that. not trading for arod in 2004 was the best deal the red sox ever did. id fucing hate it if he were on the sox, i prefer having him play 3rd for the yankees and making 2 errors a game against the sox.

[Ascf33]

re read my post, i was talking about 2004. to my recollection last year was 2005...and he was facing a less than healthy schilling. however in 2004 he didnt do shit to back up his shit talking

What the hell does 2004 have to do with anything? Yanks had it locked and they choked. Boston won. Rolled thru the series.

Aaron Boone jizzed on Boston's face in 2003, should we talk about that?

[UglyNakedGuy]

What the hell does 2004 have to do with anything? Yanks had it locked and they choked. Boston won. Rolled thru the series.

Aaron Boone jizzed on Boston's face in 2003, should we talk about that?


2004 has to do with what i was talking about.. i didnt bring up 05 YOU DID.. and considering my points were based upon 2004, thats what i was talking about. so 05 has nothing to do with what i mentioned. any more riddles? arod talked shit after that fiasco with varitek and schilling called him on it and blah blah, but arod didnt back it up AGAIN THIS IS IN 2004, i have to put it in caps since you cant seem to comprehend that im not talking about 05. yes in 05 he hit a hr off a less than healthy schilling throwing barely 90 mph straight fastballs. god talking to yankees fans about baseball is like trying to talk to deaf monkeys.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Aaron Boone jizzed on Boston's face in 2003, should we talk about that?

and then proceeded to get manhandled my josh beckett and the marlins. everyone loves joe torre, but i think he is a moron...if you cant win a world series with a payroll over 200 million something is wrong. i guess its not all his fault, its steinbrenner and cashman's for putting a team together that is loaded with egos and has no chemistry whatsoever but eh.

[Ascf33]

Right. I understand you are talking about 2004. But what you Red Sox fans seem to foget is that its 2006 now. 2004 was two years ago. Both teams are different now, and another team has won the series since then. I just think 2004, (and 2003 on my behalf) have nothing to do with the thread (2006 MLB season)

Its just like saying the Yankees have won 26 world championships.... its great and all but none have come since 2000. Its just arguements that have nothing to do with 2006. And yes, once again, I understand you weren't talking about 2006 or 2005, but 2004.... it was my mistake w/ the Arod HR.

[Ascf33]

and then proceeded to get manhandled my josh beckett and the marlins. everyone loves joe torre, but i think he is a moron...if you cant win a world series with a payroll over 200 million something is wrong. i guess its not all his fault, its steinbrenner and cashman's for putting a team together that is loaded with egos and has no chemistry whatsoever but eh.

You are right. Its not Torre's fault tho. He has done an amazing job with managing all these talanted players and huge egos. Its what he's best known for... his ability to handle all these big names cohesively.

Any Yankee fan will tell you (well the ones who have followed the team for a long time) that they need to get back to a team where there are no huge egos. Everyone works together for the team, and for a win. (1996, 1998.)

ie: 2001 DRays 2002 Angels 2003 Marlins 2004 Bo Sox 2005 Chi Sox

Big money, big hitting, no pitching certainly does not seem like the answer.

[gravedigger13]

Anybody else sick and tired of hearing about the Red Sox?

[Ascf33]

Anybody else sick and tired of hearing about the Red Sox?

:thumbsup :multi :bounce :twak :monkey :thumbsup :hump

[Lcsulla]

ps schilling says what everyone else thinks but doesnt have the balls to say it. most people hate arod. even his ex teammaets with texas dont like him, they said he treated them like they played in little league, with telling them 'make sure you get your secondary lead" and gay shit like that. not trading for arod in 2004 was the best deal the red sox ever did. id fucing hate it if he were on the sox, i prefer having him play 3rd for the yankees and making 2 errors a game against the sox.

Funny A-Rod wasn't named as one of the ten most hated athletes by their peers in GQ last week. Schilling was number 4. As long as you want to talk about 2004 how was that game 1 start where he was gonna shut up 60,000 New Yorkers?

From GQ: http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_4103&pageNum=5

“Between the white lines, it’s all real,” says one reporter who has covered Schilling. “But outside the white lines, there’s a huge gap between the man and the image he projects.” Take, for instance, Schilling’s self-glorifying display during Congress’s steroid hearings last March or his absurdly patriotic open letter to America on ESPN.com after 9/11, for which his teammates mocked him on a late-night bus ride with a chorus of “I’m a Yankee Doodle Dandy.” “They know what he’s about,” says the sportswriter. “I’d say a large percentage of them like him—every fifth day. He wears on people.”

On days he doesn’t pitch, Schilling is notorious for striking TV-ready poses on the dugout stairs. (His manager in Philadelphia, Jim Fregosi, dubbed him Red Light Curt.) “He’s somebody who’s always positioning himself in terms of what’s best for Curt Schilling,” says ESPN’s Pedro Gomez, who described Schilling as “the consummate table for one.” (Speaking of which, Schilling also has a reputation for sneaking into the clubhouse late in games to get a head start on the buffet.)

So avid is Schilling’s longing for the spotlight that some of his peers raise doubts about his now legendary turn in the 2004 postseason, when he pitched on an ankle tendon that had been sutured in place. During Game 6, cameras cut repeatedly to the bright red stain on Schilling’s sock. It was blood, right? “The Diamondbacks people think he definitely doctored that sock,” says the sportswriter. The ex-teammate laughs: “All around baseball, people questioned that. It was funny how the stain didn’t spread.”

[UglyNakedGuy]

You are right. Its not Torre's fault tho. He has done an amazing job with managing all these talanted players and huge egos. Its what he's best known for... his ability to handle all these big names cohesively.

Any Yankee fan will tell you (well the ones who have followed the team for a long time) that they need to get back to a team where there are no huge egos. Everyone works together for the team, and for a win. (1996, 1998.)

ie: 2001 DRays 2002 Angels 2003 Marlins 2004 Bo Sox 2005 Chi Sox

Big money, big hitting, no pitching certainly does not seem like the answer.

2001 was dbacks not rays, but im sure thats what you meant...and yes as a red sox fan i can admit, the 1996-2000 yankees were amazing, they were a very good bunch with chemistry, im not sure why they have gotten away from that, my guess is that because they lost in 2001, steinbrenner freaked out and ordered the beginning of several marquee big name players. and year after year when they lose he does the same. spending 52 million over 4 years for damon isnt really a smart move. basically great players will spend most of their career somewhere else and then when they are free agents and are able to get big money, the yankees go after them even though they are in the latter of their career, they need to get back to getting young players. everyone talks about cano, and hes a step in the right direction, but hes decent at best..he had an awesome stretch run and playoffs, and i guess that makes people forget he was just OK during the rest of the year.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Funny A-Rod wasn't named as one of the ten most hated athletes by their peers in GQ last week. Schilling was number 4. As long as you want to talk about 2004 how was that game 1 start where he was gonna shut up 60,000 New Yorkers?


um ok.....

those surveys are completly retarded by the way. its like asking 10 people what their fav meal is, and if 8 of them say spaghetti, then you say spaghetti is the most popular meal in the US. its completly inaccurate unless they survey everyone, which i doubt they do.


and that article about schilling faking that sock is horseshit speculation. have you ever had a cut of some sort on your foot or ankle? the blood doesnt spread because it sticks to the cut. common sense tells you that.

[SatelliteEyes]

2001 was dbacks not rays, but im sure thats what you meant...and yes as a red sox fan i can admit, the 1996-2000 yankees were amazing, they were a very good bunch with chemistry, im not sure why they have gotten away from that, my guess is that because they lost in 2001, steinbrenner freaked out and ordered the beginning of several marquee big name players. and year after year when they lose he does the same. spending 52 million over 4 years for damon isnt really a smart move. basically great players will spend most of their career somewhere else and then when they are free agents and are able to get big money, the yankees go after them even though they are in the latter of their career, they need to get back to getting young players. everyone talks about cano, and hes a step in the right direction, but hes decent at best..he had an awesome stretch run and playoffs, and i guess that makes people forget he was just OK during the rest of the year.

:thumbsup

Ding!!!

As long as the Yankees keep signing guys like Damon and Sheffield they will continue to be very good, but never a World Series team.

[Lcsulla]

um ok.....

those surveys are completly retarded by the way. its like asking 10 people what their fav meal is, and if 8 of them say spaghetti, then you say spaghetti is the most popular meal in the US. its completly inaccurate unless they survey everyone, which i doubt they do.


and that article about schilling faking that sock is horseshit speculation. have you ever had a cut of some sort on your foot or ankle? the blood doesnt spread because it sticks to the cut. common sense tells you that.

Seems to me they pegged quite a few of the sports worlds biggest jerks.. TO, Mickelson, Busch, Bonds, AJ... I doubt too many people would defend these guys. Mianly because they're jerks. List looks pretty inclusive to me.

I'm not even sure what you're getting at in the second half. I just pasted the atricle, I didn't offer on opinion on his injury or create the theory. Yeah, blood clots everywhere in your body, not just in the lower extremities. Yes, I have had many cuts on my ankles and feet from soccer, volleyball, baseball, etc, etc. Motion and stress, among others, can cause a cut to reopen and bleed more, anyone knows that. I don't even care whether the blood was real or not, doesn't matter at all. Point is you're calling A-Rod a jerk and supporting your case by lionizing one of sports biggest egomaniacs who most agree is a selfish jerk.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Seems to me they pegged quite a few of the sports worlds biggest jerks.. TO, Mickelson, Busch, Bonds, AJ... I doubt too many people would defend these guys. Mianly because they're jerks. List looks pretty inclusive to me.

I'm not even sure what you're getting at in the second half. I just pasted the atricle, I didn't offer on opinion on his injury or create the theory. Yeah, blood clots everywhere in your body, not just in the lower extremities. Yes, I have had many cuts on my ankles and feet from soccer, volleyball, baseball, etc, etc. Motion and stress, among others, can cause a cut to reopen and bleed more, anyone knows that. I don't even care whether the blood was real or not, doesn't matter at all. Point is you're calling A-Rod a jerk and supporting your case by lionizing one of sports biggest egomaniacs who most agree is a selfish jerk.

Who is "most"?...Did you survey MOST people opinions about it, or did you just completly make that up to support your argument?? Cause I am pretty sure you just made it up. And people like TO are completly different, he is widely hated and no one really likes him. He isn't comparable to Schilling. Any more riddles? And selfish jerk? I am pretty sure if he was a selfish jerk he would seek the contract that AROD did years ago, or he wouldn't have risked his career by pitching in 2004 playoffs. ARod is the type of player who will sit down because he has a cold. And I didn't use Schilling to suport my case against ARod, I did bring him up, but ARod is a jerk bottom line, doesn't need Schilling to prove it. I have read and heard that ARod was a terrible teammate in Texas, those type of things haven't surfaced yet in NY but I am sure they will. ARod is a cancer to any team. Texas became a much better team when he left. The Yankees became worse, sure he has great numbers but all he does is ruin team chemistry because it's all about "AROD".

[Ascf33]

Who is "most"?...Did you survey MOST people opinions about it, or did you just completly make that up to support your argument?? Cause I am pretty sure you just made it up. And people like TO are completly different, he is widely hated and no one really likes him. He isn't comparable to Schilling. Any more riddles? And selfish jerk? I am pretty sure if he was a selfish jerk he would seek the contract that AROD did years ago, or he wouldn't have risked his career by pitching in 2004 playoffs. ARod is the type of player who will sit down because he has a cold. And I didn't use Schilling to suport my case against ARod, I did bring him up, but ARod is a jerk bottom line, doesn't need Schilling to prove it. I have read and heard that ARod was a terrible teammate in Texas, those type of things haven't surfaced yet in NY but I am sure they will. ARod is a cancer to any team. Texas became a much better team when he left. The Yankees became worse, sure he has great numbers but all he does is ruin team chemistry because it's all about "AROD".

The New York Yankees are Derek Jeter's team, not ARODs. He knew that coming in, and still admits that to this day. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outside looking in... (meaning not a Yankee fan) People like T.O. are not that much different then Schilling. Their intentions may be a little different (TO = Money, Schilling = To get his face on TV) Its all a big dramatic play to them. Don't you think as a professional athlete, he would have more important things to do rather then calling a Boston radio station every week to bitch about what is on his mind that day.... WHILE the Yankees are winning and slowly catching up to the Orioles & Sox?

You should listen to what Jamie is saying... he isn't trying to stir the pot here, he's citing facts and supporting opinions with the facts. You just seem to be trolling around looking for a fight.

EDIT: GQ is a nationally publicated magazine... far from "made up to support an arguement"

[MistreatedLewis]

You are right. Its not Torre's fault tho. He has done an amazing job with managing all these talanted players and huge egos. Its what he's best known for... his ability to handle all these big names cohesively.

Any Yankee fan will tell you (well the ones who have followed the team for a long time) that they need to get back to a team where there are no huge egos. Everyone works together for the team, and for a win. (1996, 1998.)

ie: 2001 DRays 2002 Angels 2003 Marlins 2004 Bo Sox 2005 Chi Sox

Big money, big hitting, no pitching certainly does not seem like the answer.

The Yankees are okay. There's a lot of random chance once you get to the playoffs anyway. They certainly don't have great chemistry but most teams would be pleased with making the post-season every year.

God knows I would be if the Mets would...

[UglyNakedGuy]

"made up to support an arguement"


dont qoute me on something i didnt say big guy. i said he made up the fact that most people think schilling is a "selfish jerk" he put htose words together and formed that opinion on his own. its not a fact like jamie claimed it to be. and for that i said dont make it up for his argument. either know what you're talking about before you qoute me, or dont at all.

ps i never even said the phrase "made up to support an argument" so i think you need to learn rules on putting qoutes on what people say a little more

[UglyNakedGuy]

no shit the yankees are jeters team. show me where i said otherwise, cause id love to know.

seriously, talking with yankees fans is impossible. they are completly biased and completly unrealistic.

ive argued with yankees fans millions of times that since 2001 all the yankees do is buy their way to the postseason, they dont produce any of their own talent. the last home grown player they have had worth shit is jeter. and hes completly overrated anyways, but i wont get into that.

[Lcsulla]

no shit the yankees are jeters team. show me where i said otherwise, cause id love to know.

seriously, talking with yankees fans is impossible. they are completly biased and completly unrealistic.

ive argued with yankees fans millions of times that since 2001 all the yankees do is buy their way to the postseason, they dont produce any of their own talent. the last home grown player they have had worth shit is jeter. and hes completly overrated anyways, but i wont get into that.

I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume you're a Red Sox fan since very few others have that burning hatred for A-Rod, get so defensive about Schilling, or call Jeter overrated. I won't even bother arguing the absurdity of actually talking baseball with jaded anti-Yankee Sox fans because it's as pointless as running windows on a mac. Sox fans are some of the most obtuse and hypocritical people out there. Luckily they're not all like that or I wouldn't bother talking to them about baseball.

Since you mentioned homegrown talent how many Sox that will start in April are farm products? Youkilis if he starts, and Nixon? How many of your rotation are homegrown? Wells? Schilling? Beckett? Wakefield? Arroyo? Clement? Sox 1-6 starters are all hired guns, as are about 80% of your starting nine and your closer!

Show me the Jeter you've produced lately. The Rivera? Williams? Posada? Got anyone comparable to them that you've produced since Boggs and Clemens? But the Sox don't buy players, just the evil Yankees! I won't even touch the collection of mercenaries who brought your 2004 trophy to Beantown. Kind of tough to throw stones when you're in a glass house!

[SatelliteEyes]

Since you mentioned homegrown talent how many Sox that will start in April are farm products? Youkilis if he starts, and Nixon? How many of your rotation are homegrown? Wells? Schilling? Beckett? Wakefield? Arroyo? Clement? Sox 1-6 starters are all hired guns, as are about 80% of your starting nine and your closer!

Show me the Jeter you've produced lately. The Rivera? Williams? Posada? Got anyone comparable to them that you've produced since Boggs and Clemens? But the Sox don't buy players, just the evil Yankees! I won't even touch the collection of mercenaries who brought your 2004 trophy to Beantown. Kind of tough to throw stones when you're in a glass house!


Well, as a third party who hopes both the Sox and Yanks miss out on the playoffs, I will say that the Yanks are much, much bigger culprits when it comes to the "hired mercenary". You see, the term "hired mercenary" depends on two things. (1) Actually "hiring" them. I don't really count trades as "hiring" since you are giving up something to get them. So only FA acqusitions apply to that term. Exception is a players salary is so large that it is the only reason they are traded (2) when they are hired they have to be "mercenaries" that is, known killers that flee from their hometown for the big, big dollars.

Now that we have the defintion of "hired mercenaries" laid out, lets look at the 2004 and 2005 rosters and see who is the bigger culprit, the Red Sox or the Yankees.

First the Red Sox

Traded For or signed off the "scrap heap
C - Jason Varitek (acquired in trade while in minors)
C - Josh Bard
2b - Mark Loretta
3b - Mike Lowell
CF - Coco Crisp
SP - Josh Beckett
1b - JT Snow
1b - David Ortiz
SS- Alex Cora
SP - Tim Wakefield
SP - Bronson Arroyo
SP - Derrick Lowe
SP - Wade Miller

Homegrown
OF - Trot Nixon
1b/3b - Kevin Youkilis
SP - Jonathon Papelbon
RP - Craig Hansen
SS - Nomar Garciaparra (no longer with team)

HIRED MERCENARIES
SP - Curt Schilling (that trade qualifies - the Schilling Rule)
LF - Manny Ramirez
SP - Matt Clement
RP - Keith Foulke
CF - Johnny Damon (now a Yankee)

NOW FOR THE YANKEES

Traded for or signed off of scrap heap
1b - Tino Martinez
OF/DH - Ruben Sierra
SP - Shawn Chacon

HOMEGROWN
C - Posada
2b - Cano
SS - Jeter
OF - Bernie Williams
RP - Rivera
SP - Pettitte (no longer with team)

HIRED MERCENARIES
1b - Giambi
3b - Alex Rodriguez
OF - Hideki Matsui
CF - Johnny Damon
RF - Gary Sheffield
SP - Randy Johnson (same as Schilling)
SP - Carl Pavano
SP- Mike Mussina
SP - Jaret Wright
SP - Kevin Brown (no longer with team)
RP - Tom Gordon (no longer with team)
RP - Kyle Farnsworth
SP - Roger Clemens (Schilling Rule)
SP - Jose Contreras (no longer with team)
SP - Orlando Hernandez (no longer with team)

It seems clear to me that NY has done a better job developing talent, but they have signed a LOT more FA and made a lot more "money" trades. The Sox have relied much more on making trades for young players and finding gems on the scrap heap.

[DeadDmb]

NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees finished last year with a record $207.2 million payroll, more than $90 million ahead of any other team, according to final figures compiled Friday by the commissioner's office.

Boston was second at $116.7 million, with the New York Mets third at $104 million, followed by the Los Angeles Angels ($97 million), Philadelphia ($94.8 million), the Los Angeles Dodgers ($87.8 million), St. Louis ($87.4 million) and Atlanta ($85.9 million).



Sure other teams are buying players, but cmon now $90 million more than anyone else, you can triple the devil rays payroll and it still doesn't equal $90 million.

[Lcsulla]

It seems clear to me that NY has done a better job developing talent, but they have signed a LOT more FA and made a lot more "money" trades. The Sox have relied much more on making trades for young players and finding gems on the scrap heap.

I appreciate your doing this comparison but it wasn't really my point at all. I know full well the Yankee heirarchy is enamoured with big name aquisitions. I'd be awful dumb to argue that the Yankees don't sign big names when they can. They do, I'll be the first to admit it. They aren't doing anything wrong though, they're just exploiting a flawed system. I was responding to the comment about who they've produced since Jeter which I thought was funny coming from a Sox fan. :)

[SatelliteEyes]

I appreciate your doing this comparison but it wasn't really my point at all. I know full well the Yankee heirarchy is enamoured with big name aquisitions. I'd be awful dumb to argue that the Yankees don't sign big names when they can. They do, I'll be the first to admit it. They aren't doing anything wrong though, they're just exploiting a flawed system. I was responding to the comment about who they've produced since Jeter which I thought was funny coming from a Sox fan. :)


Its ok, Im a baseball geek, so I actually enjoy doing silly comparisons like this. If you read back I did one on Damon yesterday.

As far as the Yankees not doing anything wrong, Id say that is debateable. Sure, the system may be flawed, but that isnt a free pass. If a bank has a flawed security system and I wont get caught stealing money, or padding my own account electronically that doesnt make it right if I exploit it.

Besides, one reason you havent seen teams chase the Yankees is because it is pretty evident that championships are usually built and rarely bought, with the exception in the last 15 years of the 1997 Marlins and 2001 D'Backs.

Also, by them paying average CFs like Damon 13 million a year they make it harder for teams like the Brewers to keep and resign even average players. For example, last year Brewers CF Brady Clark hit .306 in 599 ABs with an OPS of .800 (Damon's was .805) and now the Brewers are in arby with Clark because he wants more money and the Damon contract is evidence #1. The Union loves the Yankees because the trickle down effect hits everyone.

[Alazais]

It's all about the Blue Jays this year ladies and gents. They are going to bring the glory home back to Canada!!!

[UglyNakedGuy]

Well, as a third party who hopes both the Sox and Yanks miss out on the playoffs, I will say that the Yanks are much, much bigger culprits when it comes to the "hired mercenary". You see, the term "hired mercenary" depends on two things. (1) Actually "hiring" them. I don't really count trades as "hiring" since you are giving up something to get them. So only FA acqusitions apply to that term. Exception is a players salary is so large that it is the only reason they are traded (2) when they are hired they have to be "mercenaries" that is, known killers that flee from their hometown for the big, big dollars.

Now that we have the defintion of "hired mercenaries" laid out, lets look at the 2004 and 2005 rosters and see who is the bigger culprit, the Red Sox or the Yankees.



EXACTLY!! thats what im saying. lsculla doesn tknow how to read a post and understand it. my point is the yankees just overpay and BUY all their players by overpaying them as FA's..sure the sox trade, but they make smart trades for young talent. who was the last young player the yanks traded for who made an impact? still thinking?? sttillll thinking lscula? k then. carry on with your responding to my posts without fully understanding what im talking about. dont bother talking to me unless you read my post first.

[Lcsulla]

EXACTLY!! thats what im saying. lsculla doesn tknow how to read a post and understand it. my point is the yankees just overpay and BUY all their players by overpaying them as FA's..sure the sox trade, but they make smart trades for young talent. who was the last young player the yanks traded for who made an impact? still thinking?? sttillll thinking lscula? k then. carry on with your responding to my posts without fully understanding what im talking about. dont bother talking to me unless you read my post first.

How does losing the attitude and acting like a civilized adult sound? Until you can accomplish either I don't see much point to wasting my time with you. You brought up farm systems, I countered your logic with facts. I might not be able to read and understand your posts but it's only because your grammar and punctuation border on illiteracy.

[UglyNakedGuy]

How does losing the attitude and acting like a civilized adult sound? Until you can accomplish either I don't see much point to wasting my time with you. You brought up farm systems, I countered your logic with facts. I might not be able to read and understand your posts but it's only because your grammar and punctuation border on illiteracy.

sorry i forgot we were in english class. i sure did bring up farm systems, and you countered with something that has nothing to do with what i was talking about. i was trying to say that all the yankees do is trade their farm system away, and they just buy big name FREE AGENTS. the red sox make trades, they trade for young talent, there is a difference. by the way, if the red sox have no farm system how come last year they were rated as one of the best?? huh??? get your facts straight. talking to a yankees fan is like talking to a blind monkey. you are so close minded, you dont see things for what they are in baseball. the yankees are whats wrong with basebal. PERIOD.

[SatelliteEyes]

How much longer do I have to listen to fans of the two highest payrolls in baseball argue about who is more evil?

Im a Brewers fan. I love seeing teams like Milwaukee, Oakland, Minnesota, San Diego and Cleveland compete with the Sox and Yankees, or at least win just as many games while spending 1/4 of the money and actually developing talent.

There is something so gratifying about looking out onto the field and seeing guys who you've followed since they were in A ball win for you. Yeah, it sucks when they leave when they hit free agency, but if your organization is doing it correctly, you should be able to plug in a rookie or 2nd or 3rd year guy who will put up similar numbers for 1/20th of the cost.

If I was a Yankee fan I'd be damn proud of what they did 1995-2000. They really did do it the right way, but I'd be just as embarrassed by what they are doing now, 2001-2006. Basically looking at the rosters of about 24 teams in baseball, almost picking and choosing who they want, taking them, loading the lineup and still losing - or rather, not winning it all.

[Lcsulla]

If I was a Yankee fan I'd be damn proud of what they did 1995-2000. They really did do it the right way, but I'd be just as embarrassed by what they are doing now, 2001-2006. Basically looking at the rosters of about 24 teams in baseball, almost picking and choosing who they want, taking them, loading the lineup and still losing - or rather, not winning it all.

Yup, I am definately proud of what the Yankees accomplished in the mid 1990's to about 2001. Moreso because I have watched them every day since the early 80's when they were awful. I suffered through some downright miserable teams up until about 1994. Can't say I'm embarrassed about what they do now. All their doing is exploiting a flawed system. Honestly, I am glad we have an owner who'd rather spend his money bringing in players than padding his bank account like many other richer owners do annually.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yup, I am definately proud of what the Yankees accomplished in the mid 1990's to about 2001. Moreso because I have watched them every day since the early 80's when they were awful. I suffered through some downright miserable teams up until about 1994. Can't say I'm embarrassed about what they do now. All their doing is exploiting a flawed system. Honestly, I am glad we have an owner who'd rather spend his money bringing in players than padding his bank account like many other richer owners do annually.


just cause it's flawed doesnt mean you have to exploit it. like someone said earlier, if a bank security system is flawed does that mean i should exploit it and steal as much as possible???

[Lcsulla]

Doesn't wash as an example. Basically you're comparing apples and oranges. Stealing from a bank is prohibited by laws whereas what the Yankees are doing doesn't violate any laws or policies. A better analogy would be political campaign finances where the candidates are playing on an unlevel field because some get more money and PR than others. Does it suck for people with smaller budgets? Yeah it does. Is it unethical? Maybe. Does it violate any statutes or policies? Nope.

[DMBfan41]

Let's go Yankees, arguing about how the yankees are good or bad for baseball is a waste of time. The Yankees, either you love them or hate them. And I love them.

So, let's go yankees!

[SatelliteEyes]

Doesn't wash as an example. Basically you're comparing apples and oranges. Stealing from a bank is prohibited by laws whereas what the Yankees are doing doesn't violate any laws or policies. A better analogy would be political campaign finances where the candidates are playing on an unlevel field because some get more money and PR than others. Does it suck for people with smaller budgets? Yeah it does. Is it unethical? Maybe. Does it violate any statutes or policies? Nope.


You are exactly right. It's just like the Steroid Era of the 90s and early 2000's. It wasn't against the rules to use steroids in baseball, there was no penalty or testing for it, so it was basically just guys like McGwire, Camniti, Canseco, Sosa, etc exploiting a flawed system - you can't blame them for that. In fact, I applaud them for "doing what it takes to win" - or not.

The only thing is, I am not saying Yankee fans should be embarrassed by the fact that they exploit the system to their advantage. What I am saying is two things (1) winning like the Yankees did in 1995-2000 and how teams like Florida, Chicago and Anaheim is MUCH more satisfying than what the Yankees are trying to do now, and (2) Yankee fans should be embarrassed that they are the only team that is able to exploit this flaw to the extent that they have (Boston and Mets to a lesser extent) and are still not winning championships.

[Ascf33]

Let's go Yankees, arguing about how the yankees are good or bad for baseball is a waste of time. The Yankees, either you love them or hate them. And I love them.

So, let's go yankees!

:thumbsup :multi :thumbsup :multi

[jmudmbphan]

just cause it's flawed doesnt mean you have to exploit it. like someone said earlier, if a bank security system is flawed does that mean i should exploit it and steal as much as possible???

but stealing is illegal...they arent doing anything illegal...you have flawed reasoning if you see a comparison between the two.

[SatelliteEyes]

but stealing is illegal...they arent doing anything illegal...you have flawed reasoning if you see a comparison between the two.

Right, that is why I changed the analogy to steroids in baseball. There wasnt any rule against that either. But again...that isn't my point anyway.

[jmudmbphan]

Right, that is why I changed the analogy to steroids in baseball. There wasnt any rule against that either. But again...that isn't my point anyway.


ohhh i thought you were just talking about what the yankees signing of players, etc...

[SatelliteEyes]

ohhh i thought you were just talking about what the yankees signing of players, etc...

well, I think that is where this started. I somehow got into the middle of an argument between a Yankee fan and Red Sox fan (my mistake) when the Yankee fan made a comment about simply "exploiting a flaw in the system" in regards to signing all of these players. First I compared it to exploiting a bank secrity system, but then I changed it to steroid abusers exploiting the fact that baseball didnt test and that there was no rule against it.

My point/gripe wasnt about the Yankees signing these players, because you'll see from my post history in this thread that I am all for it, since signing a bunch of 32 year olds to 4-5 year 5-60 million dollar deals is a sure way to NOT win a World Series title. My point was that I was very impressed by the Yankee titles from 1995-2000, but that if I were a Yankee fan I'd be embarassed that my team was the only onethat can "exploit the flaw" of the system to a 200 million dollar pay roll and still can't win a world series. Also, if I were a Yankee fan I said that any title they win with these players wouldnt seem to be nearly as special as the ones won in the late 1990s.

Anyway, yeah the Yankees have a great offense, what else is new. Actually, not much as their starting pitching is still pedestrian, probably 6th or 7th best in the AL, and their defense outside of A-Rod at 3b is average to below average.

I'll go out on a real limb here and predict the Yankees go 90-72, win the AL East and lose in the first round of the playoffs to either Oakland, Chicago or Anaheim.

[jmudmbphan]

well, I think that is where this started. I somehow got into the middle of an argument between a Yankee fan and Red Sox fan (my mistake) when the Yankee fan made a comment about simply "exploiting a flaw in the system" in regards to signing all of these players. First I compared it to exploiting a bank secrity system, but then I changed it to steroid abusers exploiting the fact that baseball didnt test and that there was no rule against it.

My point/gripe wasnt about the Yankees signing these players, because you'll see from my post history in this thread that I am all for it, since signing a bunch of 32 year olds to 4-5 year 5-60 million dollar deals is a sure way to NOT win a World Series title. My point was that I was very impressed by the Yankee titles from 1995-2000, but that if I were a Yankee fan I'd be embarassed that my team was the only onethat can "exploit the flaw" of the system to a 200 million dollar pay roll and still can't win a world series. Also, if I were a Yankee fan I said that any title they win with these players wouldnt seem to be nearly as special as the ones won in the late 1990s.

Anyway, yeah the Yankees have a great offense, what else is new. Actually, not much as their starting pitching is still pedestrian, probably 6th or 7th best in the AL, and their defense outside of A-Rod at 3b is average to below average.

I'll go out on a real limb here and predict the Yankees go 90-72, win the AL East and lose in the first round of the playoffs to either Oakland, Chicago or Anaheim.

hmm..

I think their pitching will be top 3 in the AL this year....its takes guys time to get used to playing in NY....they will all be better this year (the newcomers)....as far as their D...jeter has won a gold glove at short, he is definatly better than an average shortstop....Damon is a bit of a help, even though he has no arm....Im calling the yanks to win 100+, and the series this year....their offense right now resembles a lot of the 90's teams that won it all..they have finally have the speed in their 9,1,2 hitters thats going to be make nearly impossible to beat...gonna be career year for arod also im thinking...should be a good season.

[SatelliteEyes]

hmm..

I think their pitching will be top 3 in the AL this year....its takes guys time to get used to playing in NY....they will all be better this year (the newcomers)....as far as their D...jeter has won a gold glove at short, he is definatly better than an average shortstop....Damon is a bit of a help, even though he has no arm....Im calling the yanks to win 100+, and the series this year....their offense right now resembles a lot of the 90's teams that won it all..they have finally have the speed in their 9,1,2 hitters thats going to be make nearly impossible to beat...gonna be career year for arod also im thinking...should be a good season.


I'd love to see some specifics from you on what you are expecting from 1) all 5 starters and 2.) Damon and A-Rod. Or anyone else for that matter. Especially since the Yankees had the 9th best pitching in the AL last year, and somehow without adding anyone and all the players aging another year they are going to jump into the top 3. As far as starters go, they should be happy with having the 3rd best rotation in the AL East at this point.

I'll give you mine first.