**Official New York Jets Fan Thread**

[pathetic]

Pats will win by 17 or so.
closer to this i think

35-20 pats

[hbktonyb]

Time to set up the double tv in my living room.

[CrashDMB237]

Feel worse about this game this morning than I did all week. Mcfadden and Bush are going to rip us a new asshole. 200 total yards for McFadden isn't that outlandish.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah pretty worried about this game. It kinda is a must win too with the Ravens and Pats coming up.

[kingchrisII]

oh he did? i was unaware that brady was on pace for 32 int's like newton

And now you do :lol

[hbktonyb]

C'mon Cro.

[hbktonyb]

...speaking of embarrassing defenses. FML.

[hbktonyb]

LT!!! Still way better than Greene, who is a mess right now.

[hbktonyb]

Curley Q!~ Hey Moe! Hey Larry!

[hbktonyb]

Stop FUCKING making rookie mistakes in your 3rd year you fuckin scrub.

I'm DONE.

[kingchrisII]

Come on sanchez you looked like brady there... (I'm kidding pats fans don't get your panties in a bunch)

[hbktonyb]

That was scary. Go down if your helmet comes off.

[hbktonyb]

Catch the goddamn ball.

[hbktonyb]

And 2 in a row right through the chest. For the love of Pete.

[hbktonyb]

Lt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wooooooooooooooooooooo

[hbktonyb]

If that's roughing I don't think I can watch the NFL. Fucking pussy league.

[hbktonyb]

He didn't even touch the son of a bitch.

[rickyh24]

If that's roughing I don't think I can watch the NFL. Fucking pussy league.

It is getting a little ridiculous.

[hbktonyb]

So dumb. He grazed him and the QB didn't even move :lol

[hbktonyb]

That's not good for my fantasy team or my real team. Shitstains.

[hbktonyb]

Terrible quarter. That would have been good from 80 yards.

[hbktonyb]

Are you kidding me with that Wildcat.

[hbktonyb]

Atta boy Schotty. :rolleyes

[hbktonyb]

Cro having one hell of a game...

[hbktonyb]

I don't think they've thrown towards Revis once today.

[hbktonyb]

Wow. That is horrid defense.

About to throw my tv out the window.

[rickyh24]

Interesting.

[hbktonyb]

That should just about do it.

Nice game Cromartie.

[hbktonyb]

Defense looks gassed. Guess we'll need a Cowboy home opener type 4th quarter. #NotGonnaHappen.

[hbktonyb]

Steve and I were right about this game all week. At least we know the Bills won't keep this up because they are terrible.

2-3 coming right up.

[hbktonyb]

...please come back Mangold.

[dduncan6er]

I know Mangold is a big loss for the offense but the defense still gave up 31 points already.

[hbktonyb]

They defense looks gassed and the O-Line can't give any protection. I can't remember this team letting an opponent rush the way the Raiders are rushing.

[hbktonyb]

...And Buffalo will be 4-0. They are at Cinci next week.

[hbktonyb]

and now Kerley let's it bounce inside the 5. You can't make this shit up.

[dduncan6er]

Not as many trolls in here as there were in the Patriots thread earlier. Odd...

[hbktonyb]

That's because we lose plenty of games like this. The Pats hardly ever lose.

[hbktonyb]

Finally getting it to Plax. Gotta do more of that.

[hbktonyb]

Not that it matters because this is a chip shot for him, but that's a bad play call. A run takes it to the 2 minute warning.

[hbktonyb]

Knee was down. Horrible calls. Horrible game. On to another loss at Baltimore.

[hbktonyb]

So happy they decided to not kick a field goal on that 4th down. Wake up coaches.

[kingchrisII]

The officiating in this game was awful... The jets deserved to lose because they were clearly out played, but the referees clearly smoked before this game because they did a shitty job for both teams.

[hbktonyb]

Anyone watch the post game show on SNY? Ray Lucas is killing them. They give grades, Lucas gave them 3 F's on D, O, and ST.

Then dummy Joe Klecko gives them a B+ in special teams. I know Klecko is a legend but get him off my postgame show.

[thebestauntie]

I hear you guys lost today too. :lol

[CrashDMB237]

1. Why the hell did we not kick the field goal on 4th? Was there not enough time to get Folk out there or what? At least it extends the game if he can hit it. Missing it on 4th ended the game right then and there. Stupid.

2. Uh, yea, someone please come tell me missing Mangold isn't an excuse. That o-line was fucking miserable all day long. The one upside: Schotty learned how to run Greene outside the tackles! Then promptly stopped in the 2nd half when we needed points the most.

3. McFadden is an absolute beast. I was pretty much dead one with my prediction of 200 total yards and 2 TDs. I really think he's the best back in the league when healthy.

4. Sanchez looked pretty good. A Lot of those misses with Mason and Plax were pure timing mistakes. That's a result of not having a full camp and rushing it together at the end. Damn, what a throw and grab by Sanchez and Plax for that TD. Thing of beauty. Decent of Schotty to even FUCKING REMEMBER WE HAVE HIM!!!

5. Honestly, no bullshit, heading into today's game I was more scared of the Raiders than the Ravens because of the way we match up. I still fully except to be 2-3 by the time we play our next home game unless Mangold can come back healthy.

Well hey, it could be worse, we could be the Eagles...

[hbktonyb]

Disgusting 2nd half of football.

[kingchrisII]

I hear you guys lost today too. :lol

Fuck it.. No one cares about anyone in the east besides the Jets or Pats.... the Jets and Pats wanted to give the Bills some false hope....

[kingchrisII]

Jason Taylor is such a cock sucker.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Jason-Taylor-Interview-130624308.html

Does anybody give a shit about you at this point in your career?

[hbktonyb]

He sucks now, I guess this is his way to remain relevant.

[kingchrisII]

Which he still isn't doing well... The story didn't really make it to sports center or anything, so obviously no one gives a shit what he thinks. :lol

[hbktonyb]

He should stop being such a little bitch.

[pathetic]

He should stop being such a little bitch.

you should..

[hbktonyb]

you should..

Careful, I'll tell the Yankees to make the Rays win.

[CrashDMB237]

Nowhere near excited for tonight. I think it's going to be ugly. Flacco sucks, but its hard to suck when you can hit Ray Rice out of the backfield pretty much every non-running play for 10-15 yards.

[hbktonyb]

Tonight is going to be so tough. But I actually like this match-up a lot more than I liked the Oakland match. I think we'll have a chance in the 4th to win the game.

[CrashDMB237]

I'll call it right now... Ricky Williams will have a bigger impact tonight than he will in any game the rest of the season. He's a Jet killer, and we can't stop physical runners. I'm really not worried about the air game. Revis will blanket whoever he's on, hopefully Boldin, leaving Cro with Torrey Smith who he can keep up with.

[hbktonyb]

Must keep pace now.

[hbktonyb]

If they are going to give up 3rd downs like that this game will be over quick.

[hbktonyb]

:lol

Game. Over.

[rconverse]

:lol

Game. Over.

How about now? :D

[hbktonyb]

Joe COOOOOOOLL. hUGE.

[Crush086]

Strong offense Baltimore.

[thebestauntie]

Strong offense Baltimore.
Alex!! :hug

[Crush086]

Alex!! :hug
:hug

I see that the Sox managed to not get it done this year. For you, and only for you do I say sorry to see that.

But as usual the football season ought to be a good one.

[thebestauntie]

:hug

I see that the Sox managed to not get it done this year. For you, and only for you do I say sorry to see that.

But as usual the football season ought to be a good one.
Aww, thanks Hon. But honestly losing Tito was far worse than the Sox not making the playoffs. Friday sucked big time.

You'll be happy to know that for tonight I am a Ravens fan. Go Flacco! :lol

[hbktonyb]

Cromartie HAS to stop with the penalties.

[Crush086]

Cromartie HAS to stop with the penalties.
Ravens aren't doing themselves any favors either.

[rconverse]

Wow. The Jets are awful. Go Yankees?!? :shrug

[hbktonyb]

Remember when we used to have a defense?

[hbktonyb]

I should just watch Breaking Bad.

[thebestauntie]

What the heck is with Sanchez and the center tonight?

[hbktonyb]

Baxter is not good. He's had no practice with Sanchez. And Sanchez is so comfortable with Mangold he's just confused. Plus he's scared of this D. Or maybe he is just scared of the black uniforms.

n/r

[thebestauntie]

Oh right, I forgot about Mangold. That makes sense.

[rconverse]

What the heck is with Sanchez and the center tonight?

Sanchez is awful and always has been. He'll be in the league three more years, tops.

[hbktonyb]

Sanchez is awful and always has been. He'll be in the league three more years, tops.

Another idiot.

[dduncan6er]

Sanchez is awful and always has been. He'll be in the league three more years, tops.
I'm sure he'll make it a few more years as a backup ala Rex Grossman.

[hbktonyb]

4 playoff wins in his first 2 years, 2 final fours, and 24 years old. Yup, his career is over.

[dduncan6er]

Rex Grossman made a Super Bowl.

[rconverse]

Another idiot.


Yeah, it's Because there is no Mangold. Are you people watching a different game? Sanchez is scared and choking. It's not the centers' fault. (yeah, that's plural. how many centers are you going to blame?)

When a pitcher can't hold onto the ball and can't throw strikes, it's not because there's a new catcher. Good God.

Get a grip on reality before you call other people idiots. It's not my fault Sanchez is sucking balls tonight. Why not be mad at him and his idiotic play? Would you rather show how much you don't understand about football? It's your call.

Lastly, FWIW, I am cheering for the Jets. However, in doing so, there mediocrity is more than apparent. Deal with it, fuckface. :)

[rconverse]

4 playoff wins in his first 2 years, 2 final fours, and 24 years old. Yup, his career is over.

:lol :lol

Okay.

[hbktonyb]

As I stated, another idiot.

[rconverse]

Another fumble by Sanchez. I blame the center.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, it's Because there is no Mangold. Are you people watching a different game? Sanchez is scared and choking. It's not the centers' fault. (yeah, that's plural. how many centers are you going to blame?)

When a pitcher can't hold onto the ball and can't throw strikes, it's not because there's a new catcher. Good God.

Get a grip on reality before you call other people idiots. It's not my fault Sanchez is sucking balls tonight. Why not be mad at him and his idiotic play? Would you rather show how much you don't understand about football? It's your call.

Lastly, FWIW, I am cheering for the Jets. However, in doing so, there mediocrity is more than apparent. Deal with it, fuckface. :)

You clearly don't understand the relationship between a QB and a Center, or a Pitcher and a Catcher. Why do you think some pitchers have their own catchers, and don't do as well when there is a backup in.

As for centers, Nick Mangold is one of the best in the league...fact. Great blocker, and has a chemistry with Sanchez. He's never missed a game other than the last 2 weeks. He is all that Sanchez, a 3rd year QB, knows. So, yes, some of Sanchez's problems are the lack of Mangold in the lineup.

[rconverse]

As I stated, another idiot.

Point to one thing that's not true. (As Sanchez has given 7 more points away.)

Hint: You can't. Do the board, your family, and world a favor and diaf.

[hbktonyb]

Explained.

If you don't get that, then you're an idiot.

[Absolute34]

Sanchez sucks.

[rconverse]

Again. Sanchez is scared, can't hold onto the ball, and is choking. Yes, NM may be the best center in the league, however, Sanchez playing horrific has nothing to do with the center. Get a grip for Christ's sake. I'm not saying anything controversial. Sanchez is playing awful.

[hbktonyb]

I'd explain why a lot of the issues of this game is because of how terrible the line is playing, but not sure many of you would understand it.

[hbktonyb]

Again. Sanchez is scared, can't hold onto the ball, and is choking. Yes, NM may be the best center in the league, however, Sanchez playing horrific has nothing to do with the center. Get a grip for Christ's sake. I'm not saying anything controversial. Sanchez is playing awful.

Well he's certainly not playing well, but the fault is just as much the line as it is Sanchez.

[hbktonyb]

And now a penalty against the line. Holy shit WTF.

[dduncan6er]

You know things are out of hand in here when I almost want to jump in and start defending Sanchez. :lol

[rconverse]

Apparently Sanchez can't throw well because his center is out. Who fucking new??

[hbktonyb]

Sanchez literally has one second or less to throw the ball. You can't be good under these circumstances.

[rconverse]

You know things are out of hand in here when I almost want to jump in and start defending Sanchez. :lol

Let me be clear: The Jets are playing awful. However, Sanchez has given them 14 points. That's not defedable.

[hbktonyb]

Apparently Sanchez can't throw well because his center is out. Who fucking new??

Are you watching the game? Holy shit you're almost as bad as the dude that was trying to tell me that Fister pitched "great" yesterday (he gave up 6 earned runs). :lol

[thebestauntie]

You know things are out of hand in here when I almost want to jump in and start defending Sanchez. :lol
I know, I was thinking the same thing! :lol

[Absolute34]

How Sanchez is a starting NFL Qb I'll never understand. He will soon be a backup ala Grossman.

[hbktonyb]

I blame Flacco's INT on Sanchez, FYI.

[rconverse]

Sanchez literally has one second or less to throw the ball. You can't be good under these circumstances.

That 3 & 12 was ridiculous. He had ^No chance there, given.

[hbktonyb]

How Sanchez is a starting NFL Qb I'll never understand. He will soon be a backup ala Grossman.

Let me guess, you've watched one quarter of one Jet game over the last 3 years.

[rconverse]

I blame Flacco's INT on Sanchez, FYI.

That is just Flacco being Flacco.

[magic stuff]

People really give up that easily don't they? He's been so successful his first two years even when the general opinion was that he wasn't even close to NFL ready coming out of USC. To say he's gonna be done in 3 years is really, really, REALLY stupid.

Anyone remember watching Brees his first 3 or 4 years? He turned out OK eventually.

[hbktonyb]

If anything he's exceeded expectations so far. he hasn't had much of a chance yet today. No blocking whatsoever, including the first O-play of the day!

[hbktonyb]

Maybe they will surprise us and do something here. They get the ball back in the 3rd quarter. This game is nuts.

[rconverse]

Let me guess, you've watched one quarter of one Jet game over the last 3 years.

I'll be perfectly honest. I'm being super hard on MS because he is playing like crap and I fucking hate Joe Flacco. Please recognize that two fumbles are the diff in the game and there have been ^No offensive touchdowns for NY. Sanchez really isn't playing well tonight.


All that being said, before tonight, I really didn't think henwas very good.

Again, cheering for the Jets. I hope he starts proving me incorrect. Better?

[hbktonyb]

Love that play call. Terminator.

[hbktonyb]

I'll be perfectly honest. I'm being super hard on MS because he is playing like crap and I fucking hate Joe Flacco. Please recognize that two fumbles are the diff in the game and there have been ^No offensive touchdowns for NY. Sanchez really isn't playing well tonight.


All that being said, before tonight, I really didn't think henwas very good.

Again, cheering for the Jets. I hope he starts proving me incorrect. Better?

Like I said, he hasn't been good, at all, but he really hasn't had a chance. The first fumble of the game wasn't really his fault. He had 2.5 seconds to get rid of it, and nobody blocked Reed.

[hbktonyb]

He actually had 4 seconds to throw that ball. nice pass Sanchize.

[hbktonyb]

You're better than that Brick, c'mon. You're supposed to be the solid one!

[hbktonyb]

Nice job keeping us in defense.

:lol :lol

Why do I bother.

[rconverse]

Flacco fumble and Sanchez pick six. You can't write this.

[lockman21]

Jets will never make it to the Super Bowl like Big Rexy keeps predicting as long as Sanchez is under center.

[hbktonyb]

That one was on Sanchez. Fuckin rookie mistake after his defense just got him back in the game. Unbelievable.

[hbktonyb]

So unreal.

Oh wait, not the Yankee thread.

[pathetic]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

Can't wait to be 2-3 after next week and not in the playoffs.

[hbktonyb]

After seeing the replay it was the line as well. Sanchez got crushed in 2 seconds.

[rconverse]

That one was on Sanchez. Fuckin rookie mistake after his defense just got him back in the game. Unbelievable.

This game is on Sanchez. He's the reason they are losing. His poor play is directly responsible for 21 points. I was just starting to get excited too. :shrug

[hbktonyb]

Quarterbacks need more protection than what he is getting though.

[thebestauntie]

So unreal.

Oh wait, not the Yankee thread.
:lol :lol :lol <3

[Absolute34]

Jets will never make it to the Super Bowl like Big Rexy keeps predicting as long as Sanchez is under center.

Agreed. Spot on.

[CrashDMB237]

:lol:lol:lol:lol

Mangold has nothing to do with this, right? :lol

I can't even be mad at Sanchez, he has what, 3 seconds to get rid of the ball? Then you have Schotty sending two receivers within 3 yards of each other, clogging everything up. We've run outside the tackles what, twice? Have we set up a screen yet? Has Sanchez rolled out yet? This offense is just a monstrous fucking joke and Schottenheimer is the punchline.

[hbktonyb]

:lol :lol :lol <3

Gotta have some laughs after a sports day like today :lol I'm about to have a nervous breakdown :lol :lol

[hbktonyb]

Mangold has nothing to do with this, right? :lol

I can't even be mad at Sanchez, he has what, 3 seconds to get rid of the ball? Then you have Schotty sending two receivers within 3 yards of each other, clogging everything up. We've run outside the tackles what, twice? Have we set up a screen yet? Has Sanchez rolled out yet? This offense is just a monstrous fucking joke and Schottenheimer is the punchline.

Read the last few pages. It is worth the laugh.

[rconverse]

Quarterbacks need more protection than what he is getting though.

He didn't have to make that throw. He could have taken a sack on first down right after a fumble recovery as opposed to throwing. A pick six is unacceptable and on MS, sorry. :shrug

[rconverse]

How are two fumbles and one interception ray led to 21 points ok? Amazing. :lol

[thebestauntie]

Gotta have some laughs after a sports day like today :lol I'm about to have a nervous breakdown :lol :lol
Haha yeah I feel that man, especially after the past week. Thank God the Patriots won today or I'd be on suicide watch. :lol

[rconverse]

Joe Flacco wanted and tried to lose this game and MS, who is a below average qb, and the Jets didn't want to win.

/truthbomb

[RJ2kWJ]

It's funny. I hate the 3 second excuse because I've watched Peyton and several other QBs get rid of the ball within 1 or 2 seconds with SOMEONE open. Mark isn't good.

[lockman21]

Romo and Sanchez must work out together.

[hbktonyb]

You'll appreciate this tweet Steve -

@DavidClowney David Clowney
What's sad is I swear I'm sitting here calling out plays before they run them and I haven't been with the #Jets in a year come tomorrow

[RJ2kWJ]

Romo and Sanchez must work out together.

They do something together. Not sure if it's working out though.

[CrashDMB237]

You'll appreciate this tweet Steve -

@DavidClowney David Clowney
What's sad is I swear I'm sitting here calling out plays before they run them and I haven't been with the #Jets in a year come tomorrow

David Clowney :lol

He's not wrong though.

[CrashDMB237]

I just went back and did some reading a few pages back... there are a lot of people here who don't know a single thing about how an offensive line dictates what the QB does. The lack of knowledge is astonishing.

[rickyh24]

Romo and Sanchez must work out together.

:lol :lol

[magic stuff]

It's funny. I hate the 3 second excuse because I've watched Peyton and several other QBs get rid of the ball within 1 or 2 seconds with SOMEONE open. Mark isn't good.

The difference with the Jets is their receivers run stupid routes and no one is open that soon.

[CrashDMB237]

Alright, this is getting absurd. Now:

-LT
-Derrick Mason
-Sanchez
-Holmes
-David Clowney
-Opposing players from the Raiders

Have all called our offense predictable. Mason didn't directly, but he went off in the locker room last night and said "we have cracks, nobody wants to identify where it is, but we have one." Then the fuck is Schotty going to get fired?!

[hbktonyb]

It's time for Schotty to go. Unfortunately we are stuck with him through this miserable season.

What did Sanchez say?

[CrashDMB237]

He just said that the offense has become too predictable. When you have your QB, a hall of famer, a Superbowl MVP and one of the most reliable receivers in the league all calling you out on your offense, there's a problem.

[pathetic]

He just said that the offense has become too predictable. When you have your QB, a hall of famer, a Superbowl MVP and one of the most reliable receivers in the league all calling you out on your offense, there's a problem.

maybe sanchez isn't good enough to run a better offense.

[CrashDMB237]

maybe sanchez isn't good enough to run a better offense.

See: USC

Totally different style offense, totally different quality of play by Sanchez. Yes, it was one year of college, but wouldn't you kind of cater to the QB that you traded up to draft?

[pathetic]

See: USC

Totally different style offense, totally different quality of play by Sanchez. Yes, it was one year of college, but wouldn't you kind of cater to the QB that you traded up to draft?

see: matt leinart

yeah, he did a good job playing with superstars getting paid like pros.

it just seems like the jets are built for a deep playoff run minus the QB...how long until that changes? schotty might get canned first, but what happens when a new OC comes in and sanchez still plays like shit?

[CrashDMB237]

see: matt leinart

yeah, he did a good job playing with superstars getting paid like pros

How can you compare him to Matt Leinart when Sanchez hasn't even gotten an opportunity to work in an opened up offense? Leinart had all the chances in the world with Fitz and Boldin. You know, when he actually PLAYED that is.

Edit: Again, I don't really know how you can say if a new OC comes in Sanchez will still suck. Look at how he's produced when we play his style of hurry up, open it up offense. It won us games last year and put us one half away from the Superbowl two years in a row.

[rickyh24]

The New York Jets: At least we aren't the Dolphins.

[CrashDMB237]

The New York Jets: At least we aren't the Dolphins.

Nah, that's a seasonal update. But yes, that statement is very true.

[hbktonyb]

People that think Sanchez sucks can't be actually watching all the Jet games, so I can't put much stock into it.

[pathetic]

People that think Sanchez sucks can't be actually watching all the Jet games, so I can't put much stock into it.

i think i've seen enough to make my own opinion about the guy. i'm not denying he won a couple games by running some no huddle and fooling defenses...well, a lot of QBs can tire out a defense by running no huddle.

the pats defense has given up a lot of yards to QB's this season. lets see how sanchez handles it

[rickyh24]

He is very mediocre. I have watched all but one game this year.

[hbktonyb]

I'm ok with mediocre. He def. does not suck. And he's actually been better in huge games.

[CrashDMB237]

Sanchez doesn't suck at all. It seems like a stock answer for anyone that isn't a Jets fan and I just have to laugh at it. How can you watch last week's game or this week's game and say Sanchez was the problem? Again, he's nothing more than a middle of the pack QB, but to say he sucks after watching the way the Jets have lost the past two postseasons and the past two games of this season is just laughable.

[hbktonyb]

It really is. You know who does suck though? The O-line w/o Mangold.

[pathetic]

:lol :lol

[CrashDMB237]

OMG Mangold doesn't matter not an excuse Connelly best backup EVAR!!!

[hbktonyb]

Nothing even seems ridiculous anymore on Ants after hearing Crescott say that Doug Fistah pitched a "great" game on Saturday.

[Beebz]

Why do people think that playcalling was the problem last night? Even when Sanchez wasn't getting pressured, he was terrified. He airmailed a dozen passes last night, especially late when the Ravens had backed off into a four-man rush.

After the first half the line gave Sanchez plenty of time to throw. He couldn't connect. The INT he threw was horrific. Weak throw, bad decision, utter disaster on his part.

Mark Sanchez cannot win games against good defenses without a rushing attack to help him out. He can't take over. He's been terrible against Baltimore twice. The Steelers fucked him up. He's not thee problem, but he's a problem.

[pathetic]

is mangold gonna go next week? i'd really like to see him out there, i thought he'd play last night

[CrashDMB237]

Why do people think that playcalling was the problem last night? Even when Sanchez wasn't getting pressured, he was terrified. He airmailed a dozen passes last night, especially late when the Ravens had backed off into a four-man rush.

After the first half the line gave Sanchez plenty of time to throw. He couldn't connect. The INT he threw was horrific. Weak throw, bad decision, utter disaster on his part.

Mark Sanchez cannot win games against good defenses without a rushing attack to help him out. He can't take over. He's been terrible against Baltimore twice. The Steelers fucked him up. He's not thee problem, but he's a problem.

When Sanchez gets blindsided three times in 3 possessions for scores or what led to scores, he probably started thinking "I have to get rid of this thing" and I'd rather it be airmailing balls than getting hit and fumbling. He was also hit on the INT he threw. I'm sure it would have sailed right out of bounds had he gotten his full arm behind it, but it's not like Holmes was wide open either where he could make a routine throw. No matter how you look at it, Sanchez was bad last night, but I can't even put 50% of it on him.

And blaming playcalling has a whole lot more to do with other things than Sanchez. Why are we running up the middle behind our backup center? Why do we run outside ONCE all night, when the one time we did it got us our second biggest running gain of the night? Why are there no screens being set up when the Ravens are loading up the middle? Schottenheimer just can't adjust, and it's not just Jet fans saying it. His own players, the guys that are supposed to have the most faith in him are saying it.

[pathetic]

is sanchez not allowed to audible at the line if he reads blitz? i know a lot of coaches like to call the initial plays, even for guys like brady, but sanchez has to know when guys are blitzing and where they're coming from

[CrashDMB237]

is sanchez not allowed to audible at the line if he reads blitz? i know a lot of coaches like to call the initial plays, even for guys like brady, but sanchez has to know when guys are blitzing and where they're coming from

Well the Ravens defense wouldn't be considered one of the best in the league if a QB could just change a play call and poof, the pass rush doesn't matter anymore. But to answer your question, just this year he was given the audible option, and I think even that is limited. Again, I just don't get it. We took what he did so well in college and tossed it out the window.

[hbktonyb]

Plus we are just so predictable. 2nd and 1...run up the middle...stuffed. How about a play action, a rush to the outside? The best play call yesterday was the FB run with Terminator as holmes was faking the end around. At least it was something different and caught the Ravens off-guard.

[pathetic]

Well the Ravens defense wouldn't be considered one of the best in the league if a QB could just change a play call and poof, the pass rush doesn't matter anymore. But to answer your question, just this year he was given the audible option, and I think even that is limited. Again, I just don't get it. We took what he did so well in college and tossed it out the window.

i wasn't saying it in a bad way...i know the ravens D is great and even the elite QBs have problems with them. i was just wondering if Shotty ties mark's hands behind his back by not letting him audible.

[CrashDMB237]

i wasn't saying it in a bad way...i know the ravens D is great and even the elite QBs have problems with them. i was just wondering if Shotty ties mark's hands behind his back by not letting him audible.

Up until this year, he has. I don't know what the restrictions are this year, but there are restrictions. After the play in the preseason that got Plax his first TD, the announcers were talking about it because Sanchez changed the play at the line. I seriously think the only time he can change a play is when he sees either Holmes or Plax being single covered.

[rconverse]

Why do people think that playcalling was the problem last night? Even when Sanchez wasn't getting pressured, he was terrified. He airmailed a dozen passes last night, especially late when the Ravens had backed off into a four-man rush.

After the first half the line gave Sanchez plenty of time to throw. He couldn't connect. The INT he threw was horrific. Weak throw, bad decision, utter disaster on his part.

Mark Sanchez cannot win games against good defenses without a rushing attack to help him out. He can't take over. He's been terrible against Baltimore twice. The Steelers fucked him up. He's not thee problem, but he's a problem.

I literally thought he was going to cry after that pick. He just looked completely defeated.

[Beebz]

Well the Ravens defense wouldn't be considered one of the best in the league if a QB could just change a play call and poof, the pass rush doesn't matter anymore. But to answer your question, just this year he was given the audible option, and I think even that is limited. Again, I just don't get it. We took what he did so well in college and tossed it out the window.

It's a different league with a different system. I get that on some level, football is still football, but it doesn't appear that decision making is one of Sanchez's strengths. Having him make snap reads at the line would probably do more harm than good.

Plus we are just so predictable. 2nd and 1...run up the middle...stuffed. How about a play action, a rush to the outside? The best play call yesterday was the FB run with Terminator as holmes was faking the end around. At least it was something different and caught the Ravens off-guard.

I am surprised that the Jets didnt try more play action. Maybe they thought it would take too long to develop under that pass rush, but they should have tried. Screens, too. The Ravens should have run a ton of screens, actually.

I will say that it's extremely hard to run outside on the Ravens. Suggs takes away one side, and their linebackers move very well laterally. I don't know that the middle is any better, but busting it outside generally results in a lot of losses against that team.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah our defense usually gets killed by the screen. Against a team like the Ravens, we should be trying that more often.

[hbktonyb]

How do you like the opening line for next week's game...Jets +9.5 :lol

Wow.

[Beebz]

Yahoo's Jason Cole just destroyed Sanchez on Rome's show today. Said he had "post traumatic stress" in the fourth quarter last night, and said he's nowhere near where he needs to be in his development. That may be a little harsh, but there it is.

[CrashDMB237]

Yahoo's Jason Cole just destroyed Sanchez on Rome's show today. Said he had "post traumatic stress" in the fourth quarter last night, and said he's nowhere near where he needs to be in his development. That may be a little harsh, but there it is.

Cole 3:16, right? This is about as useful as me posting any pro-Sanchez comment from any random blogger and saying, welp, there you have it, Sanchez is progressing just fine!

[Beebz]

Cole 3:16, right? This is about as useful as me posting any pro-Sanchez comment from any random blogger and saying, welp, there you have it, Sanchez is progressing just fine!

No, not Cole 3:16. Jason Cole, one of the most respected football writers in the country.

/Lardarius Webb is still running

[CrashDMB237]

No, not Cole 3:16. Jason Cole, one of the most respected football writers in the country.

/Lardarius Webb is still running

Not too sure what Webb has to do with anything. Oh you're just trying to bring up something irrelevant because your original point sucks? I thought that was a Pats thing. Either way, I really don't care what Jason Cole has to say considering before last year he said Orton was a career backup at best then Orton went on to throw for almost 3000 yards, over 20 TDs and under 10 picks. His QB analysis is FLAWLESS.

[hbktonyb]

Bryan Thomas is out for the year - achilles...

[CrashDMB237]

Bryan Thomas, done for the season with a torn achilles. Like we really needed that... he was one of our biggest dirty work guys. He could get to the QB and was GREAT at stopping the run. Time to see what Kenrick Ellis can do!

Sidenote: I love what Mo Wilkerson has been doing so far in his first 4 NFL games. He's great at stopping the run. He never seems to lose his ground and has one hell of a reach.

[hbktonyb]

Wilkerson seems like he is going to be a VERY good NFL player.

[CrashDMB237]

Brandon Manumaleuna visiting the Jets tomorrow. Never have I wanted to sign a blocking TE so badly.

[hbktonyb]

Interesting, he's not on a team?

[CrashDMB237]

Nope, the Bears hate protecting their QB so they cut him this offseason.

[hbktonyb]

^:lol true

[rconverse]

Nope, the Bears hate protecting their QB so they cut him this offseason.

So true.

[hbktonyb]

Maybe the Jets can save this sports week for me :lol

Doubt it.

[kingchrisII]

Maybe we will see "fuck you mason just fuck you" reprise.:lol

[hbktonyb]

Let's go DDDDDDDDDD.

[hbktonyb]

Can our receivers catch a fucking ball?

[dduncan6er]

Can our receivers catch a fucking ball?
That ball was thrown behind him. Probably a catchable ball but still a bad throw.

[hbktonyb]

Wake up Strickland. It's 3rd and 22 dickhead.

[hbktonyb]

That ball was thrown behind him. Probably a catchable ball but still a bad throw.

Extremely catchable.

[hbktonyb]

This offense is a joke. I hope it's true that the receivers complained about the play calling.

[kingchrisII]

Nice drive.

[hbktonyb]

Best drive of the year, by far.

[hbktonyb]

You can't throw a flag on that. Jesus christ.

[kingchrisII]

awful penalty on revis. refs are fucking blind.

[dduncan6er]

awful penalty on revis. refs are fucking blind.
The fix is in!

[hbktonyb]

Big sack. Can't let them score here with them getting the ball again after the half.

[hbktonyb]

So much for that :lol

[kingchrisII]

The fix is in!

?????????

[kingchrisII]

Lmao great job tommy boy!

greedy fuck.

[hbktonyb]

Huge to not let them score there. This defense is doing the job. 10 points is solid.

[dduncan6er]

Lmao great job tommy boy!

greedy fuck.
I'm not sure if you're serious. Perfect throw there. Should have been 7 if Hernandez wasn't a moron.

[kingchrisII]

I'm not sure if you're serious. Perfect throw there. Should have been 7 if Hernandez wasn't a moron.

Because its usually smart to throw to somebody who isnt wide open when you are already winning and have time to kick a field goal. :rolleyes

[dmbbearcat]

That was on Hernandez, not Brady.

[dduncan6er]

Because its usually smart to throw to somebody who isnt wide open when you are already winning and have time to kick a field goal. :rolleyes
:lol He didn't have anyone contesting him on the catch. All the DB's had their backs turned. And if it would have been an incompletion they would have had time to kick a FG.

[kingchrisII]

No doubt Hernandez should catch that ball, but why would Brady even take that chance? Just take the 3 points and go to half time.

[dduncan6er]

If you really think that was a bad decision or play by Brady you don't know much about football. I'm sure most of the Jets fans in here will agree that was a great play by Brady but Hernandez fucked it up.

[rickyh24]

Lmao great job tommy boy!

greedy fuck.

:lol the funny thing is you are serious. That ball was thrown perfectly and coughed up by Hernandez.

[dduncan6er]

No doubt Hernandez should catch that ball, but why would Brady even take that chance? Just take the 3 points and go to half time.
There was 9 seconds left at the beginning of the play.

[rickyh24]

No doubt Hernandez should catch that ball, but why would Brady even take that chance? Just take the 3 points and go to half time.

Give me a break. Every qb in football takes one more chance there.

[rickyh24]

Classic kingchris going on right now.

[dduncan6er]

Give me a break. Every qb in football takes one more chance there.
Take it easy on him he's used to the Jets play calling. I'm sure Schotty would have called a run there.

[kingchrisII]

I guess if your Tom Brady you can get away with taking that chance. If Sanchez threw that ball I (and most other jets fans) would be crucifying him.

[dduncan6er]

I guess if your Tom Brady you can get away with taking that chance. If Sanchez threw that ball I (and most other jets fans) would be crucifying him.
Other Jets fans wouldn't be crucifying him. If the pass was incomplete there was more than enough time to kick a FG.

[hbktonyb]

Nah, you gotta try for the TD there. Brady is smart enough to throw it away or hit an open receiver. Fortunately, we got pretty lucky. But hey I'll take it, who wouldn't.

[kingchrisII]

Other Jets fans wouldn't be crucifying him. If the pass was incomplete there was more than enough time to kick a FG.

Know many jets fans? :lol

[dduncan6er]

Know many jets fans? :lol
I know most Jets fans in this thread have common sense. And yes, I do actually know quite a few Jets fans.

[dduncan6er]

Nah, you gotta try for the TD there. Brady is smart enough to throw it away or hit an open receiver. Fortunately, we got pretty lucky. But hey I'll take it, who wouldn't.
Common sense ftw!

[kingchrisII]

Nah, you gotta try for the TD there. Brady is smart enough to throw it away or hit an open receiver. Fortunately, we got pretty lucky. But hey I'll take it, who wouldn't.

The Jets were clearly defending against the pass... They run a draw its probably 6 for the pats. With that being said, I will take them not scoring obviously.

[dduncan6er]

The Jets were clearly defending against the pass... They run a draw its probably 6 for the pats. With that being said, I will take them not scoring obviously.
A draw?? Why the hell would you run a draw on the 12 yard line with 9 seconds left in the half?

[kingchrisII]

A draw?? Why the hell would you run a draw on the 12 yard line with 9 seconds left in the half?

And a timeout?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011100909/2011/REG5/jets@patriots#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&pbp=gc-pbp-1

There were 4 friggin defenders around Hernandez.

[rickyh24]

Nah, you gotta try for the TD there. Brady is smart enough to throw it away or hit an open receiver. Fortunately, we got pretty lucky. But hey I'll take it, who wouldn't.

Omg logic.

[hbktonyb]

Game saving tackle by Revis!

[kingchrisII]

Gotta love this Pats red zone offense.

[dduncan6er]

KingchrisII you are an idiot.

(yes, you can sig that)

[rickyh24]

The Jets were clearly defending against the pass... They run a draw its probably 6 for the pats. With that being said, I will take them not scoring obviously.

The play worked. This debate is dumb.

[kingchrisII]

dduncan6er, you should probably kill yourself.

(yes, you can sig that)

....at least ricky provides some accurate points, and is funny.

[dduncan6er]

dduncan6er, you should probably kill yourself.

(yes, you can sig that)

....at least ricky provides some accurate points, and is funny.
And what exactly do you provide besides stupid comments that infer you know nothing about the game of football?

[hbktonyb]

You can't overturn that. Fuck this.

[dduncan6er]

You can't overturn that. Fuck this.
Knee was down and he was touched before the ball came loose.

[hbktonyb]

How could he possible be that open.

[dduncan6er]

Gotta love this Pats red zone offense.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Knee was down and he was touched before the ball came loose.

The ball was moving though.

[dduncan6er]

The ball was moving though.
I think it started moving right after he got touched. Pretty close though.

[hbktonyb]

Nice job, McKnight was huge there.

[kingchrisII]

Good game thus far.

[hbktonyb]

I think it started moving right after he got touched. Pretty close though.

Yeah I thought it was very close. I didn't think there was enough evidence to overturn it.

[hbktonyb]

Nice job Kyle, huge play.

[hbktonyb]

1st and 10, incomplete pass.
2nd and 10, run up the middle.
3rd and 7, incomplete.

2 straight fuckin drives.

[hbktonyb]

The penalties are killing us.

[hbktonyb]

That's game. I hate sports.

[hbktonyb]

Fuck dude, make a stop.

[kingchrisII]

Well that sucks.

[hbktonyb]

This team is a joke. When the offense as 7 3 and outs against the Pats, it's very tough to beat them.

[thebestauntie]

That's game. I hate sports.
Hahaha, I love you Anthony. :lol

[rickyh24]

I am so thankful that the Jets winning percentage against the Pats since Rex Ryan became coach of the Jets is .600

What are you thankful for now??

[dmbbearcat]

His 8th-grade level QB.

[hbktonyb]

Hahaha, I love you Anthony. :lol

:lol FML

[kingchrisII]

What are you thankful for now??

Nothing much to be thankful for this football season, I will just remain happy that the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs for now...

I will be so mad if the Bills win the East so as much as it pains me to say this... At least they arent in first place alone.

[thebestauntie]

:lol FML
I feel like I should be offended by this. :lol

[hbktonyb]

I feel like I should be offended by this. :lol

Oops! :lol I meant with sports!

[thebestauntie]

Oops! :lol I meant with sports!
Oh okay, that's better. :lol

[CrashDMB237]

Spent the whole day moving two apartments worth of shit into one condo, so by the time I got to sit down and watch this game I felt like dying to begin with. I'm almost happier they didn't win because there's no way I would have been able to enjoy it :lol

Either way, it was a real good, entertaining game. Nice to see Sanchez throw a pass of more than 8 yards. I like Kerley a lot, take a seat Mason. And Joe McKnight needs to see the ball at least 5 times a game. Look at the Falcons last night: they have their workhorse in Turner, their pass catching threat in Snelling (both can catch) and their change of pace guy in Rodgers. Why can't we copy that exact mold? Again, why the hell are we not running screens for LT against an old, slow defense? Yesterday was definitely a step up, but it still wasn't good. After yesterday, I come away feeling even more like it's Schotty's fault more than it is Sanchez.

We aint goin anywhere this year. We got worse in the offseason and we haven't done anything to address the problems that have come up in the first 5 weeks. 9-7 is the best possible scenario at this point, and that's not the playoffs. Still battle it out as best we can this season, come up short, draft a pass rusher in the mid first round, some o-line depth in the 2nd round, can Schotty. THAT'S the best possible scenario.

[hbktonyb]

The rest of the schedule isn't that tough, but looking at the AFC, it may take 11 wins to make it. I can't see us getting to 11 wins, because you know we are going to lose at least 2 of the ones we should win. I think we should beat: Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Broncos, Redskins, Chiefs, Giants, Dolphins. Probably lose to Pats. Toss up at Bills and at Philly. If we lose those 3, we are 10-6. I guess 11 wins is possible.

[Beebz]

Spent the whole day moving two apartments worth of shit into one condo, so by the time I got to sit down and watch this game I felt like dying to begin with. I'm almost happier they didn't win because there's no way I would have been able to enjoy it :lol

Either way, it was a real good, entertaining game. Nice to see Sanchez throw a pass of more than 8 yards. I like Kerley a lot, take a seat Mason. And Joe McKnight needs to see the ball at least 5 times a game. Look at the Falcons last night: they have their workhorse in Turner, their pass catching threat in Snelling (both can catch) and their change of pace guy in Rodgers. Why can't we copy that exact mold? Again, why the hell are we not running screens for LT against an old, slow defense? Yesterday was definitely a step up, but it still wasn't good. After yesterday, I come away feeling even more like it's Schotty's fault more than it is Sanchez.

We aint goin anywhere this year. We got worse in the offseason and we haven't done anything to address the problems that have come up in the first 5 weeks. 9-7 is the best possible scenario at this point, and that's not the playoffs. Still battle it out as best we can this season, come up short, draft a pass rusher in the mid first round, some o-line depth in the 2nd round, can Schotty. THAT'S the best possible scenario.

So, its the OCs fault that sanchrz had under 100 yards passing midway through the fourth quarter?