New York Yankees

[vaxarado]

You're aware of the fanbase he's going to, right? It's just weird that you would target the one thing that is a known negative of the Phils, other than being the biggest losers in the history of this or any game (not that they are now, but it's the only other major negative), and say the Yankees are worse. Philadelphia has absolutely deplorable fans across the board.

But he pulled a James, leaving money on the table so he didn't have to be THE guy in the rotation, which is understandable. As I said, if it was between this and having to give him 7 years, I'd take him in the NL any day.

Across the board, maybe sure. But still, how stupid can fans be? There is absolutely no question the Yankees wanted him. This has been known for months, if not a year plus. Why the hell would you heckle his wife? Its just utterly stupid and it cost them. And it makes me laugh my ass off.

Its not even close to being the same whatsoever. You cannot compare being the guy in baseball to being the guy in basketball. And would he really have been THE guy? You do have a pitcher named CC Sabathia that you gave a bunch of money to that has pitched pretty well.

[joshizzle3]

lol fuck the yankees

edit: i don't actually know what i'm talking about, but i'm jumping on the bandwagon

[rickyh24]

At least you guys can still trade for Adrian Gonzalez and sign Carl Crawford.....Oh shit my bad.

[YouNeverKnow25]

If I were a Yankee fan, I'd be very wary of the panic-move of trading for Greinke. Would be a very bad decision.

[thestand]

At least you guys can still trade for Adrian Gonzalez and sign Carl Crawford.....Oh shit my bad.

Yes, because when you have a defensive-oriented outfield with little power and an infield with too many 1B/3B/DH types and just lost an all-star catcher, what you need is Carl Crawford and A-Gonz.

The thing is, this is still a Yankee team that went to the playoffs (you remember the playoffs, right Boston?), that is completely identical + one year of age on everyone. On some people (Jeter/Posada/A-Rod), that could be a bad thing, but another year of development for young talent that already showed good signs last year will help. Boston, until they prove otherwise, added names, not necessarily fixing needs. Both Crawford and A-Gonz are top flight players, but they're not filling needs on paper.

[Richard Belding]

Carl Pavano is still available

[rickyh24]

Carl Pavano is still available

:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

Yes, because when you have a defensive-oriented outfield with little power and an infield with too many 1B/3B/DH types and just lost an all-star catcher, what you need is Carl Crawford and A-Gonz.

The thing is, this is still a Yankee team that went to the playoffs (you remember the playoffs, right Boston?), that is completely identical + one year of age on everyone. On some people (Jeter/Posada/A-Rod), that could be a bad thing, but another year of development for young talent that already showed good signs last year will help. Boston, until they prove otherwise, added names, not necessarily fixing needs. Both Crawford and A-Gonz are top flight players, but they're not filling needs on paper.

The only "need" The Sox had going into this off-season was the Bullpen. That will be addressed. They replaced Beltre and Vmart with Crawford and Gonzalez and will most have them both long term. I would say that is a significant upgrade.

[thestand]

CC/Hughes/AJ/Pettitte/Nova will be completely fine for the first part of the season. I doubt that's how the rotation looks come the deadline, though. I think what it comes down to most is Montero, to be honest. If he comes up and looks like what you'd expect a 20 year old to look in his first season of the MLB, then there's concern. But if he plays to his potential (say a 110 OPS+), then instantly you can be comfortable in putting up Cervelli, Romine, and even Sanchez as trade bait. Them and the Killer-Bs (Betences/Banuelos/Brackman) would land a pitcher who doesn't look like they'll commit to their current team long-term.

[ajg7814]

At least you guys can still trade for Adrian Gonzalez and sign Carl Crawford.....Oh shit my bad.

A career 107 OPS+ player for 7/$142, playing LF where his defensive skill won't even be utilized? No thanks.

That's the kind of deal the Yankees would typically make. The difference is NY could withstand it when the deal became a burden. Let's see if Boston can do the same down the road.

Good player for sure. Personally one of my favorites to watch. But 7/$142? Eh. A-Gon on the other hand, provided his shoulder is okay, will be a phenom in Fenway. Jealous of that one for sure.

[crashintonickdm]

:lol:lol

itll be even better to watch the yankees give up so much for grienke out of desperation. bololol yanks

[UNC41]

A career 107 OPS+ player for 7/$142, playing LF where his defensive skill won't even be utilized? No thanks.

That's the kind of deal the Yankees would typically make. The difference is NY could withstand it when the deal became a burden. Let's see if Boston can do the same down the road.

Good player for sure. Personally one of my favorites to watch. But 7/$142? Eh. A-Gon on the other hand, provided his shoulder is okay, will be a phenom in Fenway. Jealous of that one for sure.

Yankee fans need to quit throwing the 7/$142 out there. It is like they are all completely ignorant to the market Werth set.

[UNC41]

itll be even better to watch the yankees give up so much for grienke out of desperation. bololol yanks

Grienke is an ace in 20 markets, but a No. 3 in the rest, which includes NY. No way he ends up there. No way.

[thestand]

Also, I fully admit this is total wishful thinking, so you can probably stop reading now. But I have always been a fan of AJ, and you're fooling yourself if you don't believe somewhere under all that craziness and head-games is some of the purest stuff in the game. So I'm really interested to see the dynamic between him and Rothschild in spring training. Because if he can pull his head out of his ass and actually be an effective #2, then I'm much, much more comfortable with what happened.

[ajg7814]

Yankee fans need to quit throwing the 7/$142 out there. It is like they are all completely ignorant to the market Werth set.

Uh yeah, the Werth deal was atrocious. Just because the Nats spent that on Werth doesn't mean the Crawford deal is good. They both got contracts beyond what they are worth in baseball terms. Compare Crawford's production to other players making $20+ million a year.

NY overpays all the time, but they can absorb the contract when it turns bad. If Boston can do the same, then 7/$142 doesn't mean much. But I don't know what that deal is going to look like or how much it will hinder them a few years down the line.

[MDrums54]

You're aware of the fanbase he's going to, right? It's just weird that you would target the one thing that is a known negative of the Phils, other than being the biggest losers in the history of this or any game (not that they are now, but it's the only other major negative), and say the Yankees are worse. Philadelphia has absolutely deplorable fans across the board.

But he pulled a James, leaving money on the table so he didn't have to be THE guy in the rotation, which is understandable. As I said, if it was between this and having to give him 7 years, I'd take him in the NL any day.

the way you try to justify all of this nonsense is makes me :lol

find me an example of a philly sports fan harassing one of their players....let alone their wives.

biggest losers in the history of any game? we have multiple championships in every professional sport. so what, the superbowl was called the "nfl championship" when they won it....oo nooo the name changed they dont coouunnttt :lorraine

truth is the phillies are just sweeter than the yankees right now, and cliff lee wants to beat you mother fuckers. just take it.

[gocubsgo3822]

Also, I fully admit this is total wishful thinking, so you can probably stop reading now. But I have always been a fan of AJ, and you're fooling yourself if you don't believe somewhere under all that craziness and head-games is some of the purest stuff in the game. So I'm really interested to see the dynamic between him and Rothschild in spring training. Because if he can pull his head out of his ass and actually be an effective #2, then I'm much, much more comfortable with what happened.

As someone ho has had a nutjob act like a nutjob for the past 8 years with Larry i wouldnt count your eggs on that...

[Richard Belding]

itll be even better to watch the yankees give up so much for grienke out of desperation. bololol yanks

They won't get Greinke. He is the biggest headcase in the MLB and wouldn't last 2 months playing in NY.

[thestand]

Yankee fans need to quit throwing the 7/$142 out there. It is like they are all completely ignorant to the market Werth set.

Let a sideshow be a sideshow. It's a pretty easy notion. The Nationals are flailing around because they're the Nationals. It should not be a point of pride that the Red Sox got a guy that they don't really need (unless he can catch) in a window of time that his value was at its zenith. If they make that signing in February, it's 6/110 at best. And if they don't, than the Angels overpay as the Red Sox did.

[UNC41]

Uh yeah, the Werth deal was atrocious. Just because the Nats spent that on Werth doesn't mean the Crawford deal is good. They both got contracts beyond what they are worth in baseball terms. Compare Crawford's production to other players making $20+ million a year.

NY overpays all the time, but they can absorb the contract when it turns bad. If Boston can do the same, then 7/$142 doesn't mean much. But I don't know what that deal is going to look like or how much it will hinder them a few years down the line.

Yes it does. Werth horridly set the market this year and the Sox got Crawford at a bargain compared to that. You can't criticize for getting the best OF free agent at a bargain compared to what the market was. And Yankee fans can scream loyalty as much as they want, but the Crawford deal is better than the Jeter deal, so they really have no point this offseason.

[thestand]

the way you try to justify all of this nonsense is makes me :lol

find me an example of a philly sports fan harassing one of their players....let alone their wives.

biggest losers in the history of any game? we have multiple championships in every professional sport. so what, the superbowl was called the "nfl championship" when they won it....oo nooo the name changed they dont coouunnttt :lorraine

truth is the phillies are just sweeter than the yankees right now, and cliff lee wants to beat you mother fuckers. just take it.

Good lord, where to start with this mess. :lol

First of all, you ask "find an example of philly fans harassing one of their players". I'm sorry, I wasn't aware Lee was in pinstripes this post season. And surely you must turn a blind eye to every game ever if you think that no one from the great city of Philadelphia has heckled a player before. Santa sure, but a player? Oh heavens, no!

Secondly, the Phillies' overall record is 9,135 - 10,232. No team has ever lost over 10,000 games in any professional sport ever. Therefore, all-time losingest franchise. Again, this is factual, not argumentative. Panties should clearly not be bunched.

[UNC41]

Let a sideshow be a sideshow. It's a pretty easy notion. The Nationals are flailing around because they're the Nationals. It should not be a point of pride that the Red Sox got a guy that they don't really need (unless he can catch) in a window of time that his value was at its zenith. If they make that signing in February, it's 6/110 at best. And if they don't, than the Angels overpay as the Red Sox did.

The Red Sox got arguably the best defensive outfielder in baseball and the perfect guy to hit two spots in front of A-Gon at a price that made a ton of sense based on the market Werth set. And the fact that you came up with some hypothetical contract that might have been signed three months from now (like Crawford was ever going to be available in February) is just a testament to how bad the Yankees missed. You're just lucky that the Rays took an even bigger hit and the Wildcard will still be there.

[ajg7814]

Yes it does. Werth horridly set the market this year and the Sox got Crawford at a bargain compared to that. You can't criticize for getting the best OF free agent at a bargain compared to what the market was. And Yankee fans can scream loyalty as much as they want, but the Crawford deal is better than the Jeter deal, so they really have no point this offseason.

No it doesn't. Just because the Nationals set an absurd market for OF by signing Werth to a ludicrous deal does not mean Boston was smart to play ball and ink Crawford to that deal. In comparison to Werth and what the market was at the time? Sure, Crawford's deal looks okay. But in comparison to what Crawford does on the diamond compared to other players making similar salaries? No, it's not that great.

And who said anything about Jeter? Of course the Jeter deal was bad. But everyone knew it was going to be bad. Jeter would have gotten 2/$20 on the open market...MAYBE. The fact that the Yankees spent what they did on him is a surprise to no one...but nobody is praising it as a great or even good move. It was simply a move that everyone accepted was going to happen. And as I said previously, the difference is that the Yankees handing out bad contracts does not hinder them. It will not prevent them from conducting business as usual in the future. The Yankees can hand out all the bad contracts they want and still remain competitive in the FA market. Can Boston? Remains to be seen. The only other real monster contract I can remember them handing out was Manny's in '01. And Manny was a player worth the money. Crawford ain't Manny Ramirez.

[thestand]

The Red Sox got arguably the best defensive outfielder in baseball and the perfect guy to hit two spots in front of A-Gon at a price that made a ton of sense based on the market Werth set. And the fact that you came up with some hypothetical contract that might have been signed three months from now (like Crawford was ever going to be available in February) is just a testament to how bad the Yankees missed. You're just lucky that the Rays took an even bigger hit and the Wildcard will still be there.

You understand that when you respond to a scenario, you should really include it in totality, no? Because I quite clearly stated that I believed that the Angels would also overpay for him, mainly because they had a need for him, whereas in Boston he's a complete luxury. Continuing to talk about how stellar of a defensive outfielder he is when you're putting him in a spot that Manny Ramirez held down for nigh a decade does your argument no good. If I'm sticking someone in front of the Monster, I'm looking for high OPS+, not zone rating.

[UCFish]

As someone ho has had a nutjob act like a nutjob for the past 8 years with Larry i wouldnt count your eggs on that...

Yeah.

Rothschild is worthless

[ajg7814]

"The Red Sox got arguably the best defensive outfielder in baseball and the perfect guy to hit two spots in front of A-Gon at a price that made a ton of sense based on the market Werth set.

Playing Crawford in LF at Fenway diminishes his defensive value immensely. And "perfect guy to hit two spots in front of A-Gon?" This guy has a career .337 OBP. He's not exactly an ideal top-of-the-order hitter.

And the market thing is all well and good...sure Crawford "deserved" what he got based on Werth's contract. But that doesn't mean it was a smart baseball move to pay him that.

If some jackass team paid Carl Pavano $125 million a week ago, Cliff Lee's market would have skyrocketed. So does that mean it's smart for a team to go 8 years, $200 million for him? Well, based on Pavano's deal that would look pretty good. But it's still a dumb signing.

[thestand]

By the way, now appears that with a fairly easy vesting option, Texas' contract was higher than the Yankees. So Texas, who went to the World Series, offered him more money to be the #1 guy, the face of the team, and he goes for less to be the fourth wheel. Happy Lebronukkah, indeed.

[UNC41]

No it doesn't. Just because the Nationals set an absurd market for OF by signing Werth to a ludicrous deal does not mean Boston was smart to play ball and ink Crawford to that deal. In comparison to Werth and what the market was at the time? Sure, Crawford's deal looks okay. But in comparison to what Crawford does on the diamond compared to other players making similar salaries? No, it's not that great.

And who said anything about Jeter? Of course the Jeter deal was bad. But everyone knew it was going to be bad. Jeter would have gotten 2/$20 on the open market...MAYBE. The fact that the Yankees spent what they did on him is a surprise to no one...but nobody is praising it as a great or even good move. It was simply a move that everyone accepted was going to happen. And as I said previously, the difference is that the Yankees handing out bad contracts does not hinder them. It will not prevent them from conducting business as usual in the future. The Yankees can hand out all the bad contracts they want and still remain competitive in the FA market. Can Boston? Remains to be seen. The only other real monster contract I can remember them handing out was Manny's in '01. And Manny was a player worth the money. Crawford ain't Manny Ramirez.

The first bolded highlight is a complete contradiction to the second. Crawford's deal is a bargain compared to what the Yankees are paying Jeter, so New York fans complaining about Boston just make me laugh.

You play the market year-to-year. What happened last year is irrelevant in a league where there is no cap. Yankee fans are just upset because they've whiffed so far while the Red Sox and Phillies have positioned themselves as the teams to beat right now.

[gocubsgo3822]

Yeah.

Rothschild is worthless

I really liked larry..

[UNC41]

You understand that when you respond to a scenario, you should really include it in totality, no? Because I quite clearly stated that I believed that the Angels would also overpay for him, mainly because they had a need for him, whereas in Boston he's a complete luxury. Continuing to talk about how stellar of a defensive outfielder he is when you're putting him in a spot that Manny Ramirez held down for nigh a decade does your argument no good. If I'm sticking someone in front of the Monster, I'm looking for high OPS+, not zone rating.

You're the one throwing out hypotheticals about what you believed the Angles would pay without knowing whether or not that was true. And people stuck on the fact that Crawford will be playing in front of the Monster are neglecting 81 games a year.

[thestand]

You're the one throwing out hypotheticals about what you believed the Angles would pay without knowing whether or not that was true. And people stuck on the fact that Crawford will be playing in front of the Monster are neglecting 81 games a year.

No, we're focusing on 81 games a year. Not that hard of an argument. He's going from 9 games in front of it to 81. Any contract he signs with Boston should be on the basis of that known drop in forecasted value.

[ajg7814]

The first bolded highlight is a complete contradiction to the second. Crawford's deal is a bargain compared to what the Yankees are paying Jeter, so New York fans complaining about Boston just make me laugh.

You play the market year-to-year. What happened last year is irrelevant in a league where there is no cap. Yankee fans are just upset because they've whiffed so far while the Red Sox and Phillies have positioned themselves as the teams to beat right now.

Wait, wait, so now you're comparing Crawford's deal to Jeter's? :lol At least using Werth as a comparison was logical. That is not.

And again, you're missing the point. The Yankees are the exception to the rule. The Yankees ROUTINELY give out contracts like Boston did with Crawford. No one is denying this. The difference is that it DOES NOT MATTER with them. The Yankees will continue to overpay for FA because the contracts never become a burden on them. So they don't care. The other teams in baseball do care. Because if that contract turns into an albatross, they are handcuffed until it expires.

And I'm not upset at all with what has transpired. Missing out on Lee is a bummer for sure, and NY certainly has their work cut out for them in 2011. But I think the team has enough talent and enough financial flexibility to certainly compete for a WC spot at the very least. And kudos to Boston for spending money. I'm just waiting to see if that Crawford deal becomes an obstacle for them a few years down the line when he's making $20+ mill and not producing the numbers that warrant it.

[cornbread4141]

You understand that when you respond to a scenario, you should really include it in totality, no? Because I quite clearly stated that I believed that the Angels would also overpay for him, mainly because they had a need for him, whereas in Boston he's a complete luxury. Continuing to talk about how stellar of a defensive outfielder he is when you're putting him in a spot that Manny Ramirez held down for nigh a decade does your argument no good. If I'm sticking someone in front of the Monster, I'm looking for high OPS+, not zone rating.

I think you mean high wOBA, jah?

[UNC41]

No, we're focusing on 81 games a year. Not that hard of an argument. He's going from 9 games in front of it to 81. Any contract he signs with Boston should be on the basis of that known drop in forecasted value.

Ok, so you just ignored the fact that you made up a contract the Angels would give Crawford and that he wouldn't sign until February.

Crawford's defensive value isn't as high in Tampa as it is in Boston (that's obvious), but he's still a huge upgrade for 81 games and an upgrade against the Monster. Most people just want to focus on the games where he won't be a huge improvement, but ignore the rest of the season.

If there was one player in baseball, you could put batting two in front of Youk and A-Gon, it'd be either Crawford or Hanley.

[ajg7814]

If there was one player in baseball, you could put batting two in front of Youk and A-Gon, it'd be either Crawford or Hanley.

What?? :lol:lol

Hanley sure. He's one of the best players in the game How do you put Crawford in the sentence next to him? Crawford is a .337 career OBP player. He doesn't get on-base nearly enough for you to make such a ridiculously powerful statement like that.

[cornbread4141]

Ok, so you just ignored the fact that you made up a contract the Angels would give Crawford and that he wouldn't sign until February.

Crawford's defensive value isn't as high in Tampa as it is in Boston (that's obvious), but he's still a huge upgrade for 81 games and an upgrade against the Monster. Most people just want to focus on the games where he won't be a huge improvement, but ignore the rest of the season.

If there was one player in baseball, you could put batting two in front of Youk and A-Gon, it'd be either Crawford or Hanley.

If there were one player, it might be Pedroia for me actually.

[cornbread4141]

What?? :lol:lol

Hanley sure. He's one of the best players in the game How do you put Crawford in the sentence next to him? Crawford is a .337 career OBP player. He doesn't get on-base nearly enough for you to make such a ridiculously powerful statement like that.

Crawford isn't in Hanley's league, but IMO Hanley is a middle of the order guy masquerading as a top of the order hitter.

In terms of genuine leadoff type guys (i.e. speed, on base, makes contact, low power), I think you have to put Crawford near the top at the moment, don't you think? He is in the top 15 players overall by WAR, after all.

[Lcsulla]

This sucks but in all honesty I never figured him for a Yankee type. Always thought he'd pull a Maddux..

ANDY COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DavefaninNZ]

Yes, because when you have a defensive-oriented outfield with little power and an infield with too many 1B/3B/DH types and just lost an all-star catcher, what you need is Carl Crawford and A-Gonz.

The thing is, this is still a Yankee team that went to the playoffs (you remember the playoffs, right Boston?), that is completely identical + one year of age on everyone. On some people (Jeter/Posada/A-Rod), that could be a bad thing, but another year of development for young talent that already showed good signs last year will help. Boston, until they prove otherwise, added names, not necessarily fixing needs. Both Crawford and A-Gonz are top flight players, but they're not filling needs on paper.

Sour fucking grapes right here. Love it. :lol:lol:lol

[DavefaninNZ]

But...but...we offered him the most money! Whaddya mean he's not coming to New York??? :lorraine

[DavefaninNZ]

Okay guys, seriously though, Boston didn't fill needs, so they haven't technically improved. Its the length of Crawford's contract, which is the main issue. Despite having a billionaire owner and a giant cash cow, I have serious doubts on the Sox's ability to absorb his contract 7 years from now. Therefore, yankees > redsox

Oh, and since Lee turned down more money from NY, there's no way he would've been good here anyway, so it's best that he went somewhere else. Good riddance.

/yankeesfansdelusion

[cruscott35]

By the way, now appears that with a fairly easy vesting option, Texas' contract was higher than the Yankees. So Texas, who went to the World Series, offered him more money to be the #1 guy, the face of the team, and he goes for less to be the fourth wheel. Happy Lebronukkah, indeed.

4th wheel? I could see you saying second fiddle to Halladay.

[ProudestAnt]

CC/Hughes/AJ/Pettitte/Nova will be completely fine for the first part of the season. I doubt that's how the rotation looks come the deadline, though. I think what it comes down to most is Montero, to be honest. If he comes up and looks like what you'd expect a 20 year old to look in his first season of the MLB, then there's concern. But if he plays to his potential (say a 110 OPS+), then instantly you can be comfortable in putting up Cervelli, Romine, and even Sanchez as trade bait. Them and the Killer-Bs (Betences/Banuelos/Brackman) would land a pitcher who doesn't look like they'll commit to their current team long-term.
Wait, when did Pettite decide to come back? Oh, he didn't? Ok then, carry on...

[hbktonyb]

Don't know how any man can leave $20 on the table, but if that's where he wanted to go, good for him.

I think we'll pull off a trade and I really hope Andy comes back.

[Ascf33]

Okay guys, seriously though, Boston didn't fill needs, so they haven't technically improved. Its the length of Crawford's contract, which is the main issue. Despite having a billionaire owner and a giant cash cow, I have serious doubts on the Sox's ability to absorb his contract 7 years from now. Therefore, yankees > redsox

Oh, and since Lee turned down more money from NY, there's no way he would've been good here anyway, so it's best that he went somewhere else. Good riddance.

/yankeesfansdelusion

I don't think one single Yankees fan (other than jmu) has said any of this.

[Ascf33]

But...but...we offered him the most money! Whaddya mean he's not coming to New York??? :lorraine

:lol :lol

Can't wait until the Sox lose a few series in a row.

[ProudestAnt]

Ban hammers would be flying today, TJ...

[Ascf33]

:lol

I know. The past week or so has been a mess.

[hbktonyb]

Going into the season, without Andy, The Red Sox have a better 2011 team on paper.

If we sign Andy, I think we are pretty even.

[Ascf33]

I don't think we wants to come back. Not signing Lee certainly doesn't help either.

[thom hudson]

blessing in disguise...

[ProudestAnt]

blessing in disguise...
I'd love to hear the rationale for this...

[watchtower86]

In the words of South Park,

"Sorry. We're sorry. Sorryyyy"

But seriously, I don't dislike the Yankees as much as I used to, so I will not make any effort to rub this one in.

[uro55]

blessing in disguise...

Not to be a dick, I didn't come in here to be one. I came in hear to express my total and complete shock. But REALLY? MAYBE a "blessing" in years 6-7, and that's a big maybe. But the 2-3 WS he woulda helped win until then? :lol

[thom hudson]

Not to be a dick, I didn't come in here to be one. I came in hear to express my total and complete shock. But REALLY? MAYBE a "blessing" in years 6-7, and that's a big maybe. But the 2-3 WS he woulda helped win until then? :lol
:lol:lol:lol

[thom hudson]

I'd love to hear the rationale for this...
it sounds comforting...like when someone dies and people say "he's in a better place now"

[milo420dmb]

if Andy returns they basically have the same rotation as last year with Ivan Nova probably taking Javier Vasquez spot... Line up is basically the same but with Jorge maybe DH'ing and Russell Martin or Jesus Montero catching.. .

Still a good enough team to win 90 games and make it to the playoffs... not sure why people are thinking the Yanks are done for next season.

Even if Andy doesn't return, make a few moves - get yourself a solid, reliable SP and go from there.. the Yankees do still have one of he most feared lineupa in baseball..

[uro55]

it sounds comforting...like when someone dies and people say "he's in a better place now"

HA HA HA, sorry but that's funny. Cause it's so true, who hasn't used this "rational" for sports stuff before.

Good work:thumbsup

[jmudmbphan]

i'm sorry, if the phillies rotation stays healthy, I don't see how anyone is going to be able to beat them in a postseason series...

[Ascf33]

if Andy returns they basically have the same rotation as last year with Ivan Nova probably taking Javier Vasquez spot... Line up is basically the same but with Jorge maybe DH'ing and Russell Martin or Jesus Montero catching.. .

Still a good enough team to win 90 games and make it to the playoffs... not sure why people are thinking the Yanks are done for next season.

Even if Andy doesn't return, make a few moves - get yourself a solid, reliable SP and go from there.. the Yankees do still have one of he most feared lineupa in baseball..

No one seems to understand that.

This is a team that won 103 games two years ago (NOT TO MENTION THE GODDAMN WORLD SERIES) and 95 games last year. Last year, they only allowed 693 runs, which was their lowest since 1998. That was with Vasquez and Burnett in the rotation.

With the strict DHing of Posada, it allows one of the best prospects in Yankees history the chance to make the team, and actually START.

Yes, we didn't sign any Free Agent of value and our bullpen is still a mess. But we have one of the best pitchers in the league starting 30 games and the best closer in history.

Not to mention that we have arguably the best baseball player of our (or any) generation batting 4th with one of the best hitters in the game right now batting behind 5th.

To say our outlook is any worse this year than last year is pretty ignorant and downright foolish. We're the Fucking Yankees. We'll always be in contention.

[uro55]

Not to mention that we have arguably the best baseball player of our (or any) generation batting 4th .

BULLSHIT! A-Rod is NOT the best of any generation, I don't care how awesome he is (and I'm not facoring roids into this). It's just simply not fucking true, it's laughable:lol

[Ascf33]

BULLSHIT! A-Rod is NOT the best of any generation, I don't care how awesome he is (and I'm not facoring roids into this). It's just simply not fucking true, it's laughable:lol

:confused

[Ascf33]

No one seems to understand that.

This is a team that won 103 games two years ago (NOT TO MENTION THE GODDAMN WORLD SERIES) and 95 games last year. Last year, they only allowed 693 runs, which was their lowest since 1998. That was with Vasquez and Burnett in the rotation.

With the strict DHing of Posada, it allows one of the best prospects in Yankees history the chance to make the team, and actually START.

Yes, we didn't sign any Free Agent of value and our bullpen is still a mess. But we have one of the best pitchers in the league starting 30 games and the best closer in history.

Not to mention that we have arguably the best baseball player of our (or any) generation batting 4th with one of the best hitters in the game right now batting behind 5th.

To say our outlook is any worse this year than last year is pretty ignorant and downright foolish. We're the Fucking Yankees. We'll always be in contention.

I'm quoting this because it needs to be on the next page too.

[scrock25]

BULLSHIT! A-Rod is NOT the best of any generation, I don't care how awesome he is (and I'm not facoring roids into this). It's just simply not fucking true, it's laughable:lol

The word "arguably" is in his post.

The fact that you think his statement is laughable is what's laughable. Anybody who can look at these things subjectively would disagree with you.

[Ascf33]

new sig.

[uro55]

Arguably the best EVER? No fucking way. I don't care if if he was clean as a whistle and played for Pittsburg, it's simply not bloody true.

[Ascf33]

Arguably the best EVER? No fucking way. I don't care if if he was clean as a whistle and played for Pittsburg, it's simply not bloody true.

Care to back that up with anything other than spite?

[scrock25]

Right????

[Ascf33]

EDIT: I should mention that I fucking hate Arod.

[uro55]

Care to back that up with anything other than spite?

Sure.

Albert Pujols
Lou Gehrig
Rogers Hornsby
Mickey Mantle
Babe Ruth
Roberto Clemente
Joe Dimaggio
Ted Williams
Mike Schmidt
Willie Mayes
Ken Griffey Jr
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Jimmie Fox
Frank Robinson
Ricky Henderson
Pete Rose
Jackie Robinson

That's a start off the top of my head.

[Ascf33]

Sure.

Albert Pujols
Lou Gehrig
Rogers Hornsby
Mickey Mantle
Babe Ruth
Roberto Clemente
Joe Dimaggio
Ted Williams
Mike Schmidt
Willie Mayes
Ken Griffey Jr
Ty Cobb
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Jimmie Fox
Frank Robinson
Ricky Henderson
Pete Rose
Jackie Robinson

That's a start off the top of my head.

Give me one reason Arod can't be listed within this group (other than steroids)?

[uro55]

Give me one reason Arod can't be listed within those people?

I never said he couldn't. And again, I'm not factoring in my Yankee dislike or 'roids (although that one is hard to do to be 100% honest). But to say he's the best of our generation, ok maybe along with AP and KGJ. But all time I don't see how he's the best or close, even saying arguably. Top 25-50? Sure. But not best, no way no how.

[Ascf33]

That was my point. You could argue he is one of the best players ever. Really my point was that he is arguably the best player of our generation.

I don't think anyone would ever list anyone other than Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig #1. These were different generations of baseball.

[uro55]

That was my point. You could argue he is one of the best players ever. Really my point was that he is arguably the best player of our generation.

I don't think anyone would ever list anyone other than Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig #1. These were different generations of baseball.

And again taking away various factors, you'd be right. And I wont/wouldn't argue that. This is what I took issue with (and yes I know yousaid arguably lol).

"Not to mention that we have arguably the best baseball player of our (or any) generation"

And I know I might be arguing semantics here lol, but if you'd said "one of the best" in stead of "the best" I wouldn't have had much disagreement.

[Ascf33]

I'll agree. There can be no metric in measuring greatness when the players span almost 90 years.

[uro55]

I'll agree. There can be no metric in measuring greatness when the players span almost 90 years.

Thanks lol:)

But you (well I guess both of us lol) are correct. I mean I was just thinking about it now after that post, and it's so hard to compare someone hitting in the late 80's-late 90's to someone in the teens and twenties. Different eras and all that. But also, no matter how hard that is. Making diffinitive "barriers" between eras is way harder :lol

Oh well, this guy for the HOF. 1.000% career OBP :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gaedel

[ajg7814]

A-Rod is arguably the best shortstop of all-time and he stopped playing shortstop 7 years ago. That's how good A-Rod is.

Is he the best player of this generation? No. That goes to Bonds rather handily, who is the best player we've seen since Ruth. Pujols is on par and might finish better (than Alex), we'll have to see.

Some of the names on that list above are certainly better all-time than A-Rod. But some of them? Jackie Robinson? Roberto Clemente? Griffey Jr.? Mike Schmidt? PETE ROSE?!? Wtf.

Let's get real here.

[rickyh24]

Looks like the yanks finally made an off season splash.

[watchtower86]

A-Rod is arguably the best shortstop of all-time and he stopped playing shortstop 7 years ago. That's how good A-Rod is.

Is he the best player of this generation? No. That goes to Bonds rather handily, who is the best player we've seen since Ruth. Pujols is on par and might finish better (than Alex), we'll have to see.

Some of the names on that list above are certainly better all-time than A-Rod. But some of them? Jackie Robinson? Roberto Clemente? Griffey Jr.? Mike Schmidt? PETE ROSE?!? Wtf.

Let's get real here.
You don't talk about Michael Jack Schmidt, the greatest 3B in the history of the game like that! I don't care that he's a douche.

[ajg7814]

You don't talk about Michael Jack Schmidt, the greatest 3B in the history of the game like that! I don't care that he's a douche.

Haha well I didn't take douchiness into consideration. I have no problem with Schmidt. Great, great player.

[uro55]

A-Rod is arguably the best shortstop of all-time and he stopped playing shortstop 7 years ago.

Some of the names on that list above are certainly better all-time than A-Rod. But some of them? Jackie Robinson? Roberto Clemente? Griffey Jr.? Mike Schmidt? PETE ROSE?!? Wtf.
.

I'm not just talking about numbers here, there's a lot of things. And also the only person that you listed that you can make an honest argument for (or against I should say) is is Rose.

Jackie Robinson changed the game, won titles and MVP's and his career numbers would been WAY bigger if it wasn't for a racialy shortened career.

Same thing for Clemente, but he died young in a plane crash.

Griffey, still one of the best all time with just #'s and he missed like 5 years with injuries.

And Schmidt is as good as almost anyone ever at third.

Also for best shortstops ever, (any era) I'll give you he's top 3-5. If you factor in power (and not roids) then MAYBE the best ever at short for half a career. But there's SO much to factor in.

[hbktonyb]

BULLSHIT! A-Rod is NOT the best of any generation, I don't care how awesome he is (and I'm not facoring roids into this). It's just simply not fucking true, it's laughable:lol

Really? Wow...

[ajg7814]

I'm not just talking about numbers here, there's a lot of things. And also the only person that you listed that you can make an honest argument for (or against I should say) is is Rose.

False.

Jackie Robinson changed the game, won titles and MVP's and his career numbers would been WAY bigger if it wasn't for a racialy shortened career.

Being influential doesn't mean you're a great baseball player. Titles and MVPs? Please. Titles are team acheivments, not individual. And baseball awards are absolute jokes. A-Rod has a shelf of MVP awards but they don't at all factor into my argument for him as a great player. The numbers tell the story. I love Jackie, but he ain't in A-Rod's class as a baseball player.

Same thing for Clemente, but he died young in a plane crash.

Same as Robinson. Great influential player, great humanitarian. Hell of a ball player. But he's not one of the elite players ever.

Griffey, still one of the best all time with just #'s and he missed like 5 years with injuries.

Griffey is not as good as A-Rod. And I love Griffey. But durability is part of the game and Griffey couldn't stay healthy the entire second half of his career. That factors in heavily. You can play the what-if game all day long, but you can't change what happened.

And Schmidt is as good as almost anyone ever at third.

I can make the same statement about A-Rod, and he's only played half his career at 3rd.

Also for best shortstops ever, (any era) I'll give you he's top 3-5. If you factor in power (and not roids) then MAYBE the best ever at short for half a career. But there's SO much to factor in.

I'm not having a steroid debate because it's been done a million times and is useless. The bottom line is that players from every era cheat, they still cheat and future players will continue to cheat. I'm not interested in a witch hunt. Players in the 30s had advantages that players in the early 1900s didn't have, players in the 60s had advantages over the 30s, players today have advantages over the 60s and players 30 years from now will have advantages over today. If you think baseball was ever clean or ever will be, you're delusional.

Just curious, if you put A-Rod in the 3-5 range, who is better?

[watchtower86]

Haha well I didn't take douchiness into consideration. I have no problem with Schmidt. Great, great player.
Schmidt was world's better at 3rd than A-Rod defensively. I'm not going to involve myself in the argument beyond that. Not taking away from A-Rod, just making sure Schmidt gets his due for defense.

[uro55]

False.



Being influential doesn't mean you're a great baseball player. Titles and MVPs? Please. Titles are team acheivments, not individual. And baseball awards are absolute jokes. A-Rod has a shelf of MVP awards but they don't at all factor into my argument for him as a great player. The numbers tell the story. I love Jackie, but he ain't in A-Rod's class as a baseball player.



Same as Robinson. Great influential player, great humanitarian. Hell of a ball player. But he's not one of the elite players ever.



Griffey is not as good as A-Rod. And I love Griffey. But durability is part of the game and Griffey couldn't stay healthy the entire second half of his career. That factors in heavily. You can play the what-if game all day long, but you can't change what happened.



I can make the same statement about A-Rod, and he's only played half his career at 3rd.



I'm not having a steroid debate because it's been done a million times and is useless. The bottom line is that players from every era cheat, they still cheat and future players will continue to cheat. I'm not interested in a witch hunt. Players in the 30s had advantages that players in the early 1900s didn't have, players in the 60s had advantages over the 30s, players today have advantages over the 60s and players 30 years from now will have advantages over today. If you think baseball was ever clean or ever will be, you're delusional.

Just curious, if you put A-Rod in the 3-5 range, who is better?

Ok, I didn't want to bring it to this level, but if you're gonna make excuses for/against people than..........................STERIODS!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:BANG I tried to keep that out of any discussion, but if you're gonna bring in other facors than you can't ignore the fact that he 100% admitted that his best 3-4 years were juiced. It's not speculation.

I'm not saying he's not fucking awesome, sick, uber-talented. Juiced or not, he's a HOFer, he's got the #'s. I'm not going to ever argue that. BUT in my mind an all timer is more than numbers, and while his numbers are SICK SICK SICK. He just doesn't have "it".

And yes I know it's hard to quantify something like that, basically impossible to put it into words. But it's bloody well true. Anyone who's a fan of the history, and lore and mythology etc of baseball knows this. For example, I fucking hate him and the Yankees :lol. But Jeter has "it" He's WAY more of an all time great than A-Rod will ever be.

[hbktonyb]

Ok, I didn't want to bring it to this level, but if you're gonna make excuses for/against people than..........................STERIODS!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:BANG I tried to keep that out of any discussion, but if you're gonna bring in other facors than you can't ignore the fact that he 100% admitted that his best 3-4 years were juiced. It's not speculation.

I'm not saying he's not fucking awesome, sick, uber-talented. Juiced or not, he's a HOFer, he's got the #'s. I'm not going to ever argue that. BUT in my mind an all timer is more than numbers, and while his numbers are SICK SICK SICK. He just doesn't have "it".

And yes I know it's hard to quantify something like that, basically impossible to put it into words. But it's bloody well true. Anyone who's a fan of the history, and lore and mythology etc of baseball knows this. For example, I fucking hate him and the Yankees :lol. But Jeter has "it" He's WAY more of an all time great than A-Rod will ever be.

You are wrong on so many levels. Sure, Jeter will always be more of an all time YANKEE great because of what he has meant to the franchise, but when all is done, ARod will be a top 5 player in the history of baseball. Jeter will not.

[uro55]

You are wrong on so many levels. Sure, Jeter will always be more of an all time YANKEE great because of what he has meant to the franchise, but when all is done, ARod will be a top 5 player in the history of baseball. Jeter will not.

I disagree.

No one is gonna win this argument, and I gotta lot of work to do:thumbsup

[ajg7814]

Ok, I didn't want to bring it to this level, but if you're gonna make excuses for/against people than..........................STERIODS!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:BANG I tried to keep that out of any discussion, but if you're gonna bring in other facots than you can't ignore the fact that he 100% admitted that his best 3-4 years were juiced. It's not speculation.

I'm not saying he's not fucking awesome, sick, uber-talented. In my mind an all timer is more than numbers, and while his numbers are SICK SICK SICK. He just doesn't have "it".

And yes I know it's hard to quantify something like that, basically impossible to put it into words. But it's bloody true. Anyone who's a fan of the history, and lore and mythology etc of baseball knows this. For example, I fucking hate him and the Yankees :lol. But Jeter has "it" He's WAY more of an all time great than A-Rod will ever be.

Ah yes...."it."

Can't define it. Can't quantify it. But "it" is the reason.

Let's see if I can help you out. Derek Jeter was drafted by the New York Yankees, the most famous franchise in sports history. He made his debut in 1995, when the team was coming together nicely with all the work Gene Michael and Buck Showalter put in...acquiring guys like Wade Boggs, Paul O'Neill, David Cone, Jimmy Key, etc. Developing young talent like Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, etc. He becomes the starting SS in 1996. The team proceeds to go on an incredible run, winning 4 WS titles in 5 years. The team goes into a spending frenzy from years 02-present, basically guaranteeing themselves a great team year in and year out, providing AMPLE playoff opportunities, which spotlight Yankee players more than any other team in the league could possibly hope for.

Jeter, now the face of the franchise because of his marketability (as well as great play), reaps the benefits of those opportunities. When you're a good player and you're given a sample size of about a full-season's worth of playoff at-bats, you're bound to have some pretty big moments, amirite? Thus, Jeter becomes a god to Yankee fans and to media vehicles like ESPN, which love reporting about the Yankees (and later Yanks/Sox). But, Jeter's regular season numbers, good as they are, don't quite match up with the legendary icon Jeter has become. So, to explain this phenomenon (otherwise known as hype), suddenly Jeter has "it." "He's just a flat-out winner." "He's got calm eyes." "He's Captain Clutch."

If Jeter were drafted by Kansas City, or say, Cincinnati (as he was originally supposed to), would he still have "it"? "It" is not real. "It" is a cop-out way to make a player better than he really is. "It" is hype.

Jeter is a great player. A HOFer. One of the greatest SS ever. I will hold him in higher personal regard than A-Rod for the rest of my life. But he is nowhere NEAR the player that Alex Rodriguez is on the field.

[uro55]

if jeter were drafted by kansas city, or say, cincinnati (as he was originally supposed to), would he still have "it"? "it" is not real. "it" is a cop-out way to make a player better than he really is. "it" is hype..

Purple cheeseburger Jose Canseco apple sauce.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Thus, Jeter becomes a god to Yankee fans and to media vehicles like ESPN, which love reporting about the Yankees (and later Yanks/Sox). But, Jeter's regular season numbers, good as they are, don't quite match up with the legendary icon Jeter has become. So, to explain this phenomenon (otherwise known as hype), suddenly Jeter has "it." "He's just a flat-out winner." "He's got calm eyes." "He's Captain Clutch."

If Jeter were drafted by Kansas City, or say, Cincinnati (as he was originally supposed to), would he still have "it"? "It" is not real. "It" is a cop-out way to make a player better than he really is. "It" is hype.



Perfect. Exactly.

[ProudestAnt]

Oh man, Twitter is on fire today:

heres where andy pettitte can tell cashman to go shopping & see whats out there. thats what free agency is about. #goodluck

:lol

[hbktonyb]

Ah yes...."it."

Can't define it. Can't quantify it. But "it" is the reason.

Let's see if I can help you out. Derek Jeter was drafted by the New York Yankees, the most famous franchise in sports history. He made his debut in 1995, when the team was coming together nicely with all the work Gene Michael and Buck Showalter put in...acquiring guys like Wade Boggs, Paul O'Neill, David Cone, Jimmy Key, etc. Developing young talent like Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, etc. He becomes the starting SS in 1996. The team proceeds to go on an incredible run, winning 4 WS titles in 5 years. The team goes into a spending frenzy from years 02-present, basically guaranteeing themselves a great team year in and year out, providing AMPLE playoff opportunities, which spotlight Yankee players more than any other team in the league could possibly hope for.

Jeter, now the face of the franchise because of his marketability (as well as great play), reaps the benefits of those opportunities. When you're a good player and you're given a sample size of about a full-season's worth of playoff at-bats, you're bound to have some pretty big moments, amirite? Thus, Jeter becomes a god to Yankee fans and to media vehicles like ESPN, which love reporting about the Yankees (and later Yanks/Sox). But, Jeter's regular season numbers, good as they are, don't quite match up with the legendary icon Jeter has become. So, to explain this phenomenon (otherwise known as hype), suddenly Jeter has "it." "He's just a flat-out winner." "He's got calm eyes." "He's Captain Clutch."

If Jeter were drafted by Kansas City, or say, Cincinnati (as he was originally supposed to), would he still have "it"? "It" is not real. "It" is a cop-out way to make a player better than he really is. "It" is hype.

Jeter is a great player. A HOFer. One of the greatest SS ever. I will hold him in higher personal regard than A-Rod for the rest of my life. But he is nowhere NEAR the player that Alex Rodriguez is on the field.

Perfect post.

[uro55]

Let's argue this instead :lol

http://screenrant.com/baseball-movie-allstar-team-mikee-50671/

[watchtower86]

I've got "it."

And "it" being the clap. :shrug

[ajg7814]

Oh man, Twitter is on fire today:

heres where andy pettitte can tell cashman to go shopping & see whats out there. thats what free agency is about. #goodluck

:lol

I mean, I defend the Yankees stance with Jeter, but that is pretty funny. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Andy will be begged to come back at this point.

[neumdogg]

Thank god. Please take that fat fuck, Russel Martin. Get him off my team.

[uro55]

Andy will be begged to come back at this point.

Is family the only reason why Andy waffles a lot of years? Cause he's really not that old.

[rickyh24]

Thank god. Please take that fat fuck, Russel Martin. Get him off my team.
:lol :lol

[neumdogg]

:lol :lol
What a waste he was. Take him and his pornstar girlfriend...Lexi Belle.

Ok, maybe I'll miss Lexi Belle...

[uro55]

What a waste he was. Take him and his pornstar girlfriend...Lexi Belle.

Ok, maybe I'll miss Lexi Belle...

He had a year good years for y'all............

[neumdogg]

He had a year good years for y'all............
One and a half good years does not equal a good player.

[uro55]

One and a half good years does not equal a good player.

Never said that, just more of a general thought :lol.

[javierm27]

Thank god. Please take that fat fuck, Russel Martin. Get him off my team.

:thumbsup

I was hoping that the Red Sox would sign this bum instead so he can be a bust for them, but going to either one of these teams was fine with me. As long as his lazy fat ass was not a Dodger, I am all good with it. The contract negotiations with Russell was such a joke too.

[hbktonyb]

Is family the only reason why Andy waffles a lot of years? Cause he's really not that old.

Yes, it really is. And he's not trying to pull a Favre. He loves pitching but feels like he is missing his kid's childhood, and that really kills him. I think the fact that he loves pitching and the $12M per year keeps him with the team, but this year sounds like he is the most serious about retiring.

[uro55]

Yes, it really is. And he's not trying to pull a Favre. He loves pitching but feels like he is missing his kid's childhood, and that really kills him. I think the fact that he loves pitching and the $12M per year keeps him with the team, but this year sounds like he is the most serious about retiring.

That's the impression I always got, and he seems pretty stand up about it to me (IE not Favre like lol). But I was just curious.

Thanks man:)

[ajg7814]

Yankees sign Mark Prior to minor-league deal.

Hopefully Cashman tries out a bunch of these. Right now the smartest thing to do is throw as much as you can at the wall and see if anything sticks. Prior, Webb, etc.

[hbktonyb]

Interesting. I'm fine with it.

[spoot388]

i'd love it if they went after Harden. so you only get a half a year out of him, big deal. you get a half a year with prior, nova, and whoever else and you got yourself a decent #5 spot in the rotation. and if/when they are all healthy, then thats a couple other arms for the bullpen.



seriously, i would like to see them get povano back. he has some great stuff, and showed it when he started here. the problem with him was that he was hardly ever healthy when he was here. i'd rather take the risk on someone like him, prior, and harden who will bring lights out stuff for as long as they are healthy than someone who is just going to be mediocre no matter if he's healthy or not. there's always the chance that they don't get hurt like they did in the past, and then the deal looks like gold.

[ajg7814]

i'd love it if they went after Harden. so you only get a half a year out of him, big deal. you get a half a year with prior, nova, and whoever else and you got yourself a decent #5 spot in the rotation. and if/when they are all healthy, then thats a couple other arms for the bullpen.



seriously, i would like to see them get povano back. he has some great stuff, and showed it when he started here. the problem with him was that he was hardly ever healthy when he was here. i'd rather take the risk on someone like him, prior, and harden who will bring lights out stuff for as long as they are healthy than someone who is just going to be mediocre no matter if he's healthy or not. there's always the chance that they don't get hurt like they did in the past, and then the deal looks like gold.

Pavano isn't in the same category as Prior, Harden, Webb. He's coming off a pretty damn good year and is the best available pitcher on the market right now. He's going to get a pretty decently-sized contract. He's not just a 1-year flier. I also don't think NYY and Pavano like eachother.

[ProudestAnt]

Joel Sherman:

Story from March 4, 2011: Prior looks great in #Yankees camp. Story from March 22, 2011, Prior to see Dr. James Andrews

[DMBfan41]

Hey, Wood worked out pretty good. Why not give Prior a chance?

[ProudestAnt]

Hey, Wood worked out pretty good. Why not give Prior a chance?
Because he hasn't pitched since '06? At least Wood was decent before the Yanks signed him...

[crashintome202]

man the last reports i read of prior were that he was having trouble breaking 80 on his fastball

[ajg7814]

Because he hasn't pitched since '06? At least Wood was decent before the Yanks signed him...

You do realize this is a spring training invite / minor league contract. He makes all of $750k if he makes the major league roster. This is hardly something to go crazy over.

Boston is fond of employing this strategy (see: Colon, Smoltz, etc.) It's smart. If Prior busts, no harm done. But if he can become serviceable? You just struck gold. Of course it's a long shot. If it wasn't the player wouldn't come at such a cheap price.

[ProudestAnt]

You do realize this is a spring training invite / minor league contract. He makes all of $750k if he makes the major league roster. This is hardly something to go crazy over.

Boston is fond of employing this strategy (see: Colon, Smoltz, etc.) It's smart. If Prior busts, no harm done. But if he can become serviceable? You just struck gold. Of course it's a long shot. If it wasn't the player wouldn't come at such a cheap price.
I don't care what they do, personally. I was simply responding to him drawing a comparison to Prior and Wood. Two entirely different risks IMO...

[ajg7814]

I don't care what they do, personally. I was simply responding to him drawing a comparison to Prior and Wood. Two entirely different risks IMO...

Gotcha. :thumbsup

[DavefaninNZ]

I don't think one single Yankees fan (other than jmu) has said any of this.

Well obviously not, I was being over the top with my sarcasm, but here's a few of the posts which inspired it.

This sucks but in all honesty I never figured him for a Yankee type. Always thought he'd pull a Maddux..

ANDY COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and why would you leave tens of millions on the table??

Yes, because when you have a defensive-oriented outfield with little power and an infield with too many 1B/3B/DH types and just lost an all-star catcher, what you need is Carl Crawford and A-Gonz.

The thing is, this is still a Yankee team that went to the playoffs (you remember the playoffs, right Boston?), that is completely identical + one year of age on everyone. On some people (Jeter/Posada/A-Rod), that could be a bad thing, but another year of development for young talent that already showed good signs last year will help. Boston, until they prove otherwise, added names, not necessarily fixing needs. Both Crawford and A-Gonz are top flight players, but they're not filling needs on paper.

Uh yeah, the Werth deal was atrocious. Just because the Nats spent that on Werth doesn't mean the Crawford deal is good. They both got contracts beyond what they are worth in baseball terms. Compare Crawford's production to other players making $20+ million a year.

NY overpays all the time, but they can absorb the contract when it turns bad. If Boston can do the same, then 7/$142 doesn't mean much. But I don't know what that deal is going to look like or how much it will hinder them a few years down the line.

And who said anything about Jeter? Of course the Jeter deal was bad. But everyone knew it was going to be bad. Jeter would have gotten 2/$20 on the open market...MAYBE. The fact that the Yankees spent what they did on him is a surprise to no one...but nobody is praising it as a great or even good move. It was simply a move that everyone accepted was going to happen. And as I said previously, the difference is that the Yankees handing out bad contracts does not hinder them. It will not prevent them from conducting business as usual in the future. The Yankees can hand out all the bad contracts they want and still remain competitive in the FA market. Can Boston? Remains to be seen. The only other real monster contract I can remember them handing out was Manny's in '01. And Manny was a player worth the money. Crawford ain't Manny Ramirez.

You understand that when you respond to a scenario, you should really include it in totality, no? Because I quite clearly stated that I believed that the Angels would also overpay for him, mainly because they had a need for him, whereas in Boston he's a complete luxury. Continuing to talk about how stellar of a defensive outfielder he is when you're putting him in a spot that Manny Ramirez held down for nigh a decade does your argument no good. If I'm sticking someone in front of the Monster, I'm looking for high OPS+, not zone rating.

And I'm not upset at all with what has transpired. Missing out on Lee is a bummer for sure, and NY certainly has their work cut out for them in 2011. But I think the team has enough talent and enough financial flexibility to certainly compete for a WC spot at the very least. And kudos to Boston for spending money. I'm just waiting to see if that Crawford deal becomes an obstacle for them a few years down the line when he's making $20+ mill and not producing the numbers that warrant it.

I was just having fun because I find it hilarious that some fans here are getting real defensive and are downplaying the situation. Yankee fans have this obnoxious sense of entitlement, and when they miss out on their number 1 target, of course people are going to have fun with it.

[ajg7814]

Well obviously not, I was being over the top with my sarcasm, but here's a few of the posts which inspired it.

I was just having fun because I find it hilarious that some fans here are getting real defensive and are downplaying the situation. Yankee fans have this obnoxious sense of entitlement, and when they miss out on their number 1 target, of course people are going to have fun with it.

Nowhere in any of my quotes did I disparage the Red Sox or say "therefore yankees > red sox" as you said in your original post. Did I raise questions about the Crawford contract? Yeah. If you can provide some evidence of why my concerns have no legitimacy, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you're judging opinions based on what team the person roots for and not by the merit of what was said.

[crashintonickdm]

so what is plan B for the yankees? beg pettite to stay? go after grienke? that rotation you have now is medicore to average.

[ajg7814]

so what is plan B for the yankees? beg pettite to stay? go after grienke? that rotation you have now is medicore to average.

Going after Grienke is very doubtful IMO. They will try their hardest to get Pettitte to return I'd imagine. And they'll spend the money they saved on bullpen arms like Wood and Feliciano, maybe throw an offer out to Rafael Soriano and see what kind of contract he'd want to play a set up role.

Go into the season with a rotation of Sabathia-Hughes-Pettitte-Burnett-Nova and hopefully a beefed up bullpen. They still have one of the best offenses in baseball. The talent on the team should be good enough to compete for a wild card spot at the very least. Not many other AL teams have comparably good teams.

People forget the Yankees won 95-100 games and made the playoffs every year from 2004 to 2007 with guys like Jaret Wright, Shawn Chacon, Aaron Small, etc. in their rotations. Chien-Ming Wang was their ace for a couple years. He was an effective pitcher at his peak, but ace material? No. But they made it work.

Making a panic move for someone like Grienke is the worst thing they can do right now. Try to get Pettitte back, maybe try to find an innings-eater you can live with in the #5 spot. Beef up the pen and keep an eye on the trade market as the season progresses. With their offense, they should still have no problem winning around 90 games and being in the playoff hunt.

[mabell786]

i'm assuming beg pettite to stay will be number 1

i think the yankees said they would not try to acquire Greinke (this could change obviously)

they'll prob feel out the market for other pitchers possibly on the trading block (i've heard possibly one of the white sox pitchers other than peavy, jurrjens of Atlanta, Garza of Tampa who i wouldn't want)

But i think the best bet would be to grab more low risk/high reward guys (ex: today's signing of Prior) such as Webb, Wang, or Harden

[DavefaninNZ]

Nowhere in any of my quotes did I disparage the Red Sox or say "therefore yankees > red sox" as you said in your original post. Did I raise questions about the Crawford contract? Yeah. If you can provide some evidence of why my concerns have no legitimacy, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you're judging opinions based on what team the person roots for and not by the merit of what was said.

Good god man, read my post. I fully admitted my posts were over-the-top sarcasm, never said those words were actually written, and yet still you're defensive. What I was trying to show was that you yankee fans are such homers that you can't even criticize your own FO, which so far has failed miserably. Instead, you (yankee fans) attack the Red Sox and question their moves. You attack Cliff Lee for choosing Philly instead of taking the Yanks' money. If nothing else, it proves my point of yankees fans having an obnoxious sense of entitlement.

[Ascf33]

I mean Sabathia Pettitte Hughes is nothing to laugh at. That's 50 wins and a 3.55ERA between them. That was with Pettitte being hurt and resting Hughes towards the end of the year.

Obviously our #1 priority has to be sign Andy.

[milo420dmb]

so what is plan B for the yankees? beg pettite to stay? go after grienke? that rotation you have now is medicore to average.

if Pettite comes back - they basically have the same rotation that helped them win 90+ games last year... I think Burnett will pitch better next year..15+ wins outta Phil Hughes is realistic.

I am sure they can piece together they 12 or whatever wins Javier Vasquez had last year with Ivan Nova and whomever else..

now if Pettite retires...?

[uro55]

As much as the AL fan in me wants to see the Yanks lose, I've got to give them their due. While the have some bigger issues. The fact that they didn't get Lee and Crawford (or whomever big name), doesn't change the fact that they were/are a very talented 90+ wins team. Hurts me to give them props lol, but can't lie about it either :lol

[ajg7814]

Good god man, read my post. I fully admitted my posts were over-the-top sarcasm, never said those words were actually written, and yet still you're defensive. What I was trying to show was that you yankee fans are such homers that you can't even criticize your own FO, which so far has failed miserably. Instead, you (yankee fans) attack the Red Sox and question their moves. You attack Cliff Lee for choosing Philly instead of taking the Yanks' money. If nothing else, it proves my point of yankees fans having an obnoxious sense of entitlement.

And you're telling me to read your post? I didn't bring Crawford up, someone else said something implying we should be jealous of it. And I raised my concerns about the contract. That is all. Never did I attack the Red Sox. The concern over Crawford's contract has nothing to do with the Yankees. I'd be concerned with Crawford at 7/$142 for any other team as well.

And when did I attack Cliff Lee for choosing Philly? Do you actually read the posts? Again, you just group all Yankee fans together as obnoxious without reading the content of the post. Nice talking with you.

[hbktonyb]

People also have to remember that the Rays are significantly worse than last year, and even though the Red Sox are better, they have the same rotation and they did lose VMart and Beltre. Sure, they improved their lineup, but the Yankees, depending on what Andy does, will have basically the same team. Last year was considered a down year for that lineup . I fully expect big years from Jeter, Tex, Granderson and Arod.

This team is still a 90+ win team with Andy.

[milo420dmb]

Carlos Zambrano's name is getting tossed around quite a bit right now.. makes sense with Rothschild as the new Pitching Coach

[ajg7814]

Zambrano, Prior, Wood....welcome to the 2003 Cubs.

[milo420dmb]

Zambrano, Prior, Wood....welcome to the 2003 Cubs.

haha yep..

and speaking of Wood, it will take 2 yrs. 12 mil to sign him, I guess (according to mlbtraderumors)

[rickyh24]

and even though the Red Sox are better, they have the same rotation and they did lose VMart and Beltre.

The Sox will be a much better team than last year. Like I have pointed out before Youk and Pedroia being healthy for the whole year will pretty much replace VMarts production. I think Crawford and AGon were worth losing Beltre. I wouldn't go banking on Beckett and Lackey sucking quite as much as last year either.

[uro55]

I think the Sox are better, and the Yankees are a push (at least right now). So I'd put the east at 50/50 at the moment.

[rickyh24]

I think the Sox are better, and the Yankees are a push (at least right now). So I'd put the east at 50/50 at the moment.

I can't put it at 50/50 unless they find a way to pitch CC every game. Andy is not even back yet at this point.

[Ascf33]

I can't put it at 50/50 unless they find a way to pitch CC every game. Andy is not even back yet at this point.

Yanks sign Pettitte and it's 50/50. Lineup is identical to last year. Jeter and Granderson hit marginally better and we win 100 games.

[milo420dmb]

Yanks sign Pettitte and it's 50/50. Lineup is identical to last year. Jeter and Granderson hit marginally better and we win 100 games.

and add the fact that jorge will be mostly DHing, which should hopefully help his offensive production - it should at the very least keep him healthier.

if we can get 15 HR 70 rbi outta the catcher spot then that would be huge!

[ajg7814]

The lineups are very similar.

1. Jeter, SS
2. Granderson, CF
3. Teixeira, 1B
4. Rodriguez, 3B
5. Cano, 2B
6. Swisher, RF
7. Posada, DH
8. Martin, C
9. Gardner, LF

1. Ellsbury, CF
2. Pedroia, 2B
3. Crawford, LF
4. Youkilis, 3B
5. Gonzalez, 1B
6. Ortiz, DH
7. Drew, RF
8. Lowrie, SS
9. Saltalamacchia, C

Obviously these aren't set in stone, just going on what I view as being something probably close (for the record, I don't believe either of these should be the actual lineups.) It's going to be a matter of who stays healthier. Can A-Rod stay healthy over a full season? Can Boston avoid the injuries that plagued them last year? Otherwise, both are phenomenal lineups.

Bullpen at the moment is up in the air since both teams are looking to improve. Since the Yankees have Rivera and have a ton of money to try to lure guys like Wood and Feliciano, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they have the stronger bullpen come opening day, especially since no matter what move Boston makes (short of signing Soriano), the questions about Papelbon will remain.

And that leaves the starting rotation. At the moment, you have to give the advantage to Boston because they actually have their whole rotation filled out.

1. Lester
2. Buccholz
3. Beckett
4. Lackey
5. Matsuzaka

1. Sabathia
2. Hughes
3. Burnett
4. Nova
5. ???

Now, if NY can sign Pettitte back, they get that much closer to Boston. Boston's top 2 are superior to NY's. And they have guys capable of being effective with Beckett and Lackey, but both are extremely questionable both in terms of production and injury. The Yankees have a guy like that in Burnett as well. And even if Pettitte comes back, it's a virtual certainty he will spend some time on the DL.

The season is going to be about who can get the most out of the 3-5 spots in their rotation. And right now, since Boston at least has somewhat known commodities in those spots, they have to be given the advantage. We don't know what the Yankee rotation will look like come Opening Day, nevermind midway through the season.

That said, NY's team (assuming tweaking to the bullpen) is more than good enough to compete for a wild card spot and win somewhere between 90-95 games IMO.

[hbktonyb]

The Sox will be a much better team than last year. Like I have pointed out before Youk and Pedroia being healthy for the whole year will pretty much replace VMarts production. I think Crawford and AGon were worth losing Beltre. I wouldn't go banking on Beckett and Lackey sucking quite as much as last year either.

They are def. better and will probably be healthier, but they are just not worlds better like everybody thinks, because they did lose 2 quality players even though they replaced them with better players. I still think the key to the Sox is how well Lackey and Beckett pitch, because you know Lester and Bucholtz are going to have great years.

Without Andy, I think the Sox have an edge right now. With him, I think we are even.

[uro55]

Without Andy, I think the Sox have an edge right now. With him, I think we are even.

Even being from Minnesota I gotta give y'all that and agree :lol

[milo420dmb]

I would love to see the yanks throw some of that Cliff Lee money at Rafael Soriano... shit even if they have to give him closer money.. have him set up Mo for two years, learn from him in the process, then come right in and take over the closer duties when Mo retires..

doubt it would happen b/c I am pretty sure he wants to be a closer now.. but who knows, for the right $$$ he might

[mabell786]

The lineups are very similar.

1. Jeter, SS
2. Granderson, CF
3. Teixeira, 1B
4. Rodriguez, 3B
5. Cano, 2B
6. Swisher, RF
7. Posada, DH
8. Martin, C
9. Gardner, LF

1. Ellsbury, CF
2. Pedroia, 2B
3. Crawford, LF
4. Youkilis, 3B
5. Gonzalez, 1B
6. Ortiz, DH
7. Drew, RF
8. Lowrie, SS
9. Saltalamacchia, C

Obviously these aren't set in stone, just going on what I view as being something probably close (for the record, I don't believe either of these should be the actual lineups.) It's going to be a matter of who stays healthier. Can A-Rod stay healthy over a full season? Can Boston avoid the injuries that plagued them last year? Otherwise, both are phenomenal lineups.

Bullpen at the moment is up in the air since both teams are looking to improve. Since the Yankees have Rivera and have a ton of money to try to lure guys like Wood and Feliciano, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they have the stronger bullpen come opening day, especially since no matter what move Boston makes (short of signing Soriano), the questions about Papelbon will remain.

And that leaves the starting rotation. At the moment, you have to give the advantage to Boston because they actually have their whole rotation filled out.

1. Lester
2. Buccholz
3. Beckett
4. Lackey
5. Matsuzaka

1. Sabathia
2. Hughes
3. Burnett
4. Nova
5. ???

Now, if NY can sign Pettitte back, they get that much closer to Boston. Boston's top 2 are superior to NY's. And they have guys capable of being effective with Beckett and Lackey, but both are extremely questionable both in terms of production and injury. The Yankees have a guy like that in Burnett as well. And even if Pettitte comes back, it's a virtual certainty he will spend some time on the DL.

The season is going to be about who can get the most out of the 3-5 spots in their rotation. And right now, since Boston at least has somewhat known commodities in those spots, they have to be given the advantage. We don't know what the Yankee rotation will look like come Opening Day, nevermind midway through the season.

That said, NY's team (assuming tweaking to the bullpen) is more than good enough to compete for a wild card spot and win somewhere between 90-95 games IMO.

:thumbsup so much good sense in this post

[Ascf33]

To immediately defer the Yankees to the wild card is senseless though. :lol

CC Sabathia won 21 games last season.
Phil Hughes won 18 games last year in a modified season.
The Yankees, with Vasquez and Burnett in the rotation, allowed the fewest runs since 1998.

[ajg7814]

To immediately defer the Yankees to the wild card is senseless though. :lol

CC Sabathia won 21 games last season.
Phil Hughes won 18 games last year in a modified season.
The Yankees, with Vasquez and Burnett in the rotation, allowed the fewest runs since 1998.

Not more senseless than using pitcher wins to make an argument. ;)

I agree though, the Yankees aren't automatically done in the AL East (although by the sound of Yankee-haters around the country you'd think they were a 75-win team after missing out on Lee.)

The Yankees used to win 95-100 games and the East with guys like Jaret Wright, Shawn Chacon, Aaron Small, Al Leiter, etc. in their rotation. They'll be right in the thick of things next year, as usual.

[Ascf33]

Not more senseless than using pitcher wins to make an argument. ;)

I agree though, the Yankees aren't automatically done in the AL East (although by the sound of Yankee-haters around the country you'd think they were a 75-win team after missing out on Lee.)

The Yankees used to win 95-100 games and the East with guys like Jaret Wright, Shawn Chacon, Aaron Small, Al Leiter, etc. in their rotation. They'll be right in the thick of things next year, as usual.

If that is what you got from my post, you are more senseless than I thought.

[ajg7814]

If that is what you got from my post, you are more senseless than I thought.

Likewise.

[YankeesDMB41]

Yankees just signed Mike Mussina to a minor league contract!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


































































I wish

[hbktonyb]

Bring back Jimmy key.

[Ascf33]

What is he, like 45?

[uro55]

Bring back Jimmy key.

Jimmy Key was the SHIT. Loved im in his Toronto days:thumbsup

[crashintome202]

yankees close to signing feliciano.
lefty only guy.already have one in boone so i dont see the point of another? where my righties at?

[milo420dmb]

what is Damaso Marte's deal? tommy john surgery?

[milo420dmb]

Yes indeed its a very promising and nice project and thanks for sharing this useful info with us.

wrong thread?

[hbktonyb]

So confused :lol

[hbktonyb]

Gotta like the Feliciano deal, good pick up.

[crashintome202]

id rather sign jenks.. no need for 2 lefty-only guys in the pen

[milo420dmb]

so Kerry Wood signed a 1 yr. 1.5m deal with the Cubs?

beyond me why the Yanks didn't try and bring him back

[hbktonyb]

so Kerry Wood signed a 1 yr. 1.5m deal with the Cubs?

beyond me why the Yanks didn't try and bring him back

Heyman mentioned that they did, but he wanted to go back to Chicago...

Wood got ripped off, big time.

[milo420dmb]

Heyman mentioned that they did, but he wanted to go back to Chicago...

Wood got ripped off, big time.

yeah I guess so considering he was asking for a 2yr. 12m deal initially

[milo420dmb]

"Adrian Gonzalez is 3-for-15 (.200) with no homers, two RBIs, 0 BB and eight strikeouts lifetime vs. Pedro Feliciano."

nice!

[rickyh24]

"Adrian Gonzalez is 3-for-15 (.200) with no homers, two RBIs, 0 BB and eight strikeouts lifetime vs. Pedro Feliciano."

nice!

:lol :lol

[Ascf33]

Kryptonite secured!

[hbktonyb]

Feliciano > AGon

[rickyh24]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/yankees-interested-in-johnny-damon.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

Damon > Crawford????

[hbktonyb]

I'd like Damon back, solid clutch player.

[rickyh24]

Damon is done. I'm fine with him going back to the nyc.

[hbktonyb]

Which is why they want him as a part time player. I'll take it.

[rickyh24]

"Part time LF and DH"


He will play all the time in this lack luster NY Yankee lineup.

[hbktonyb]

:lol ok

Damon > AGon

[Ascf33]

"Part time LF and DH"


He will play all the time in this lack luster NY Yankee lineup.

:lol :lol

[Ascf33]

Damon's swing was so perfect for the new Yankee Stadium. So many cheap Home Runs. :lol

[thom hudson]

"Adrian Gonzalez is 3-for-15 (.200) with no homers, two RBIs, 0 BB and eight strikeouts lifetime vs. Pedro Feliciano."

nice!

Feliciano > AGon

lack luster NY Yankee lineup.
all these brought teh :lolz

[crashintome202]

damon would be a nice addition to platoon. i'd rather see soriano

[rickyh24]

Andy Pettitte told Brian Costello of the New York Post at his home in Texas that he's just "chilling out, hanging" and still hasn't decided whether he'll play in 2011.


Not in any hurry is he?

[crashintome202]

Andy Pettitte told Brian Costello of the New York Post at his home in Texas that he's just "chilling out, hanging" and still hasn't decided whether he'll play in 2011.


Not in any hurry is he?
nope i hate this shit..every year it takes pettitte forever to make up his mind. rumor is yankees will offer a 1 year 12-13 million deal.

[hbktonyb]

God we need him.

Are we really talking to Andruw Jones?

[milo420dmb]

^^ doesn't surprise me, they have said all along that they want a RH bat.. I wouldn't mind Andruw Jones being the 4th outfielder

[hbktonyb]

Happy Thames are here again

[milo420dmb]

ya know, if they wouldn't have told Jorge he was mainly DH this year (or if he could still catch 120+ games) I would have loved to see the Yanks try and get Vlad Guerrero as full time DH. I have always liked him for some reason.

but that isn't going to happen

[hbktonyb]

Would love to see Vlad, or Manny :lol

[s0628711]

ya know, if they wouldn't have told Jorge he was mainly DH this year (or if he could still catch 120+ games) I would have loved to see the Yanks try and get Vlad Guerrero as full time DH. I have always liked him for some reason.

but that isn't going to happen
This is EXACTLY what the Yankees of six plus years ago would have done. Vlad cannot move. Did you see him in the OF during the WS? I know you're saying as DH, but that slides Jorge back to catcher where he is horrible and it hurts his offensive production. I'm actually a fan of the Andruw Jones 4th OF idea. I think it would be a nice fit, plus the OF is SOO left heavy it really is a necessity.

[rickyh24]

Yeah signing Vlad or Manny would not work since Posada is washed up catcher wise.

[Timebomb07]

Yankees STILL havent spent any money yet? whats going on!!!

[rickyh24]

Yankees STILL havent spent any money yet? whats going on!!!

:lol They spent plenty of money. It was just to resign thier own 40 year olds.

[smokew11]

:lol They spent plenty of money. It was just to resign thier own 40 year olds.

i dont get this teams management at all sometimes

[Timebomb07]

:lol They spent plenty of money. It was just to resign thier own 40 year olds.

oh yeah, and Martin :lol STRONG move lil' Steinbrennnnnnnnner

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, terrible move signing the best closer in the game and your franchise player.

[Ascf33]

This is EXACTLY what the Yankees of six plus years ago would have done. Vlad cannot move. Did you see him in the OF during the WS? I know you're saying as DH, but that slides Jorge back to catcher where he is horrible and it hurts his offensive production. I'm actually a fan of the Andruw Jones 4th OF idea. I think it would be a nice fit, plus the OF is SOO left heavy it really is a necessity.

I agree. Especially when Granderson or Gardner go into one of their skids. Plus he's a terrific fielder that can play all three spots. It really couldn't hurt.

[Ascf33]

:lol They spent plenty of money. It was just to resign thier own 40 year olds.

This is like the worst argument. :lol

[rickyh24]

This is like the worst argument. :lol

:lol This is like the worst team.

[scrock25]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Ascf33]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:thumbsup

[s0628711]

Well, saw this topped and thought something may have actually happened. That was fun.


Sooo, what do the Yankees do? I'm sure ratty Cashman is on the horn with all sorts of teams trying to swing a big arm, but no real rumors lately, and Andy's just getting later and later with this every year.

[hbktonyb]

The way it is looking, we will have Mitre and Nova as 4 and 5.

Please come back Andy.

[crashintome202]

girardi needs to get off mitre's cock, hes awful. might as well throw brackman into the 5th spot before mitre

[hbktonyb]

I don't know who Girardi wants to bang more...Mitre or Gardener.

[rickyh24]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/andy-pettitte-will-not-start-2011-season.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

[rickyh24]

oh and I almost forgot......... :lol :lol :lol :lol

[hbktonyb]

I tweeted Jon Heyman and he said Cashman backed off that statement. He then said that he heard Andy is working out.

[Ascf33]

Andrew Brackman for 5th starter.

[scrock25]

oh and I almost forgot......... :lol :lol :lol :lol

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Ascf33]

I can't wait until the Red Sox suck. It's going to be so awesome.

[scrock25]

^^^^^ I dig that.

[hbktonyb]

First thing is first...Pats need to suck this Sunday :lol

[rickyh24]

I can't wait until the Red Sox suck. It's going to be so awesome.

At least you have something to hope for. The Yanks are going to be horrible :lol

[hbktonyb]

Soriano :bounce

[rickyh24]

10+ a year???

[milo420dmb]

3 year 35 nillion

[HR Pufnstuf]

It's a bit of a panic move but he is a great talent.

[rickyh24]

3 year 35 nillion

That's a shit load of loot for a setup man.

[rickyh24]

It's a bit of a panic move but he is a great talent.

He is great. He will come in handy when the score is close. The way this rotation is shaping up that won't happen too often though.

[hbktonyb]

Great move. 8th and 9th locked.

Now we just need 1-7 other than CC and Hughes.

[rickyh24]

Hughes :lol Can he actually pitch a full year as a starter this season??? Rotation is fucked. Should probably give Clemens a call.

[HR Pufnstuf]

He is great. He will come in handy when the score is close. The way this rotation is shaping up that won't happen too often though.

He can also fill the closer role if anything should happen to Mo, who has to be 50 years old by now.

You also can't write the starting rotation off in the middle of January.

[hbktonyb]

Now Hughes is not a good starter? I can understand arguing 3-5, but not Hughes.

By the way, AJ is going to have a very solid year.

[rickyh24]

By the way, AJ is going to have a very solid year.

:lol 10/10

[hbktonyb]

Aj 16-10, 4.10 era.

[HR Pufnstuf]

AJ might have a respectable year. I read somewhere that he has taken a liking to the new pitching coach so some improvements are not out of the question.

[rickyh24]

Aj 16-10, 4.10 era.

You are on a roll today.

[hbktonyb]

Sanchez 22-29, 254 yards, 2 TDs

[rickyh24]

22-29 :lol


You are delusional.

[hbktonyb]

LT 17 carries, 91 yards
Greene 14 carries, 65 yards

1 TD...each.

[jmudmbphan]

best bullpen in baseball.

[rickyh24]

and one of the worst rotations.

[neumdogg]

Enjoy Martin!! Suckers...

[crashintome202]

im split on the soriano signing. the dude is an excellent relieve. i just dotn think a set up guy is worth this much ntm the draft pick.
soriano-mo is a great back end

[spoot388]

im split on the soriano signing. the dude is an excellent relieve. i just dotn think a set up guy is worth this much ntm the draft pick.
soriano-mo is a great back end

i forget where i read it, but i read an article about how not a single reliever (with the exception of pretty much only Mo) is worth anywhere near what they earn. using those crazy new stats, even with a ridiculously low Win Over Replacement threshold of 0.5 WOR, only like 4% of relievers were better than that. that means that pretty much no matter who you put out there in the 7th inning, over the course of an entire season, no one would have done a better job.

the overall conclusion to the article was that paying anything over a few million per season for a reliever is not worth it and the teams are more likely better off just using the draft pick on their own.

[rickyh24]

I don't see how this is the best pen in the league either. Best back end??? Yes probably.

[hbktonyb]

Best pen by far.

[crashintome202]

the thing is, outside of most closers and some set up men, the middle relief is a crap shoot year to year. i really like our pen now since im a supporter of both joba and robinson. boone was underrated last year and felicaino while a waste is a great lefty on lefty guy.

[crashintome202]

i forget where i read it, but i read an article about how not a single reliever (with the exception of pretty much only Mo) is worth anywhere near what they earn. using those crazy new stats, even with a ridiculously low Win Over Replacement threshold of 0.5 WOR, only like 4% of relievers were better than that. that means that pretty much no matter who you put out there in the 7th inning, over the course of an entire season, no one would have done a better job.

the overall conclusion to the article was that paying anything over a few million per season for a reliever is not worth it and the teams are more likely better off just using the draft pick on their own.
this is how i feel. the yankees just have so much leftover money they were gonna spend anyway that they just said 'fuck it, lets get someone' :lol

[mr. testaverde]

and one of the worst rotations.

no doubt they have question marks, but the sox arent in much better shape with their rotation either. the only pitchers i'd be confident in are lester and buchholz, you have no idea what you'll get out of beckett, lackey and dice-k

[Ascf33]

At least you have something to hope for. The Yanks are going to be horrible :lol

Other than Ricky being Ricky, how can you actually say that?

They will easily compete for the AL East crown.

[hbktonyb]

I don't know what bulllpen can match up...Mo, Sori, Feliciano are all great. Robertson and Joba at least have an upside if they can get their shit together.

Yanks still have a great offense, and Boston has the same question marks in their bullpen. It will be a good race for the East crown.

[crashintome202]

maybe my favorite part of this deal is that the angels dont get him. everyone i work with jokes about how big of pussies the halo's are at getting/keeping legit players

[jmudmbphan]

and one of the worst rotations.

the sox rotation was in the lower half of the league last season...I'm sorry, did you do something to improve other than get older?

[FunkyTeaParty]

They had to do it. It's obvious they won't be able to improve the rotation so might as well improve the staff from the back rather than the front.

[rickyh24]

Best pen by far.

:lol:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

the sox rotation was in the lower half of the league last season...I'm sorry, did you do something to improve other than get older?

Lackey and Beckett can't possibly pitch as bad as they did last year. And I'll take DiceK over who ever the hell this team is going to trot out there as their number 5. Hell I'll take him over Burnett too.

[scrock25]

Lackey and Beckett can't possibly pitch as bad as they did last year. And I'll take DiceK over who ever the hell this team is going to trot out there as their number 5. Hell I'll take him over Burnett too.

You don't know for certain that they won't, therefore even speaking to it is pointless.

It is, however, fact that in reference to Lackey and Beckett, you indeed don't know what you're getting.

[hbktonyb]

Which pen as as good as the Yankee pen?

[rickyh24]

and Boston has the same question marks in their bullpen. .

They actually did a pretty good job with the pen this off season. Do you pay attention to what other teams do or just to what the yankees do?? I'll give you the fact that the Yanks have a great 8th and 9th inning guy. Hell they better they are paying almost 30 mill a year for those two guys but Paps, Bard, Wheeler, Jenks is not exactly a shitty pen.

[rickyh24]

You don't know for certain that they won't, therefore even speaking to it is pointless.


So then you agree Jeter is not even close to worth what the Yankees just paid him then I guess?

[hbktonyb]

They actually did a pretty good job with the pen this off season. Do you pay attention to what other teams do or just to what the yankees do?? I'll give you the fact that the Yanks have a great 8th and 9th inning guy. Hell they better they are paying almost 30 mill a year for those two guys but Paps, Bard, Wheeler, Jenks is not exactly a shitty pen.

Never said your pen was shitty, I just think ours is clearly the best pen in the league with Mo, Soriano, and Feliciano...3 guys that are pretty much the best at what they do. Robertson is pretty good, and Joba only has an upside.

[ProudestAnt]

Never said your pen was shitty, I just think ours is clearly the best pen in the league with Mo, Soriano, and Feliciano...3 guys that are pretty much the best at what they do. Robertson is pretty good, and Joba only has an upside.
Jenks is just as good as Soriano...

[scrock25]

So then you agree Jeter is not even close to worth what the Yankees just paid him then I guess?

In reference to his production, no... I don't think anybody would argue with you there.

Edit: Then again I think that any educated (MLB) individual would agree that Jeter is a special case.

[rickyh24]

Joba only has an upside.

:lol Ya I guess he would.

[rickyh24]

Never said your pen was shitty, I just think ours is clearly the best pen in the league.

Of course you do. You are also one of the only people in America who think the Jets will definitley win this Sunday.

[scrock25]

Of course you do. You are also one of the only people in America who think the Jets will definitley win this Sunday.

Count me in on this.

[rickyh24]

Count me in on this.

Shocking.

[hbktonyb]

Jenks is just as good as Soriano...

Personally I don't think he is. Jenks is good but Soriano is pretty dominant.

Last 2 years for Jenks - 4.44 ERA and 3.71 ERA, avg 1.30 whip. Soriano 1.73 and 2.97, avg .96 whip...

At this point why not just put Joba as the #5. Career is already ruined...fuck it.