New York Yankees

[Trippin4136]

Torre vouches for him. I guess that's as good as gold right now, for 2007 at least.

[Lcsulla]

if his bat ever gets on a curveball eventually, he reminds me alot like shane spencer, offensively.

Reminds me of Pedro Cerrano actually!

Fuck you Jobu!:lol

[crashintome202]

i hope andy sticks around. if his bat ever gets on a curveball eventually, he reminds me alot like shane spencer, offensively.
shane spencer... the man in japan:lol
one of 3 players all time to hit 10 homers within his first 100 ABs
the other 2- Mike Jacobs (marlins 1st) and KEVIN MAAS!

[jimithin9]

im suprised they didnt go after like a phil nevin type...a guy who can play the bag and hit for not too much cash. instead of giving pettitte a huge contract. was there a reason for that?

[thehoss]

I know he helped and all but Hayes drove me nuts. I hated having him come up with RISP. No logic to it, just never liked him much. Always would rather have seen Boggs with the bat in a key spot.

oh i agree. hayes reminded me of john flaherty's bat. hed have 1 hit every 10 games he'd get an at-bat, but damn, i remember the 96 division series game i went to, juan gonzalez's 2 hr game, charlie had some clutch fielding to help out with the win. he was definitely a better defensive player than boggs was, i know boggs is a HOF'er but he really wasnt THAT great of a fielder. avg at best..

[Lcsulla]

KEVIN MAAS!

Haha! Yeah, people were thinking he and Mattingly were going to be the next M&M boys! I remember grabbing some Maas rookie cards!

[crashintome202]

Torre vouches for him. I guess that's as good as gold right now, for 2007 at least.
torre also vouched for bubba crosby. one of the worst hitters in the last 5 years of baseball

[Trippin4136]

I've got a 1992 Kevin Maas Upper Deck card at home.

[crashintome202]

im suprised they didnt go after like a phil nevin type...a guy who can play the bag and hit for not too much cash. instead of giving pettitte a huge contract. was there a reason for that?
i guess the thought he behind it was to try to re-group the late 90s teams. hey, we may even get clemens!

[crashintome202]

Haha! Yeah, people were thinking he and Mattingly were going to be the next M&M boys! I remember grabbing some Maas rookie cards!
who didnt love Maas.:lol

[Trippin4136]

torre also vouched for bubba crosby. one of the worst hitters in the last 5 years of baseball

:lol very true.

Although when he was in Columbus on his re-hab stint, he did hit a clutch 3 run HR in the bottom of the 8th. The Dispatch's guy next to me took a bet what Bubba would do. No joke, I bet him 10 bucks he'd park it, and swiftly enough, he did.

[crashintome202]

:lol very true.

Although when he was in Columbus on his re-hab stint, he did hit a clutch 3 run HR in the bottom of the 8th. The Dispatch's guy next to me took a bet what Bubba would do. No joke, I bet him 10 bucks he'd park it, and swiftly enough, he did.
note the fact it was in AAA:lol
now hes on the reds!:D

[jimithin9]

http://www.amazon.com/Kevin-Maas-1992-Starting-Lineup/dp/B000H2EI5O

theres something for the kids :lol

[thehoss]

i just busted out my maas, nokes, mattingly card collection...god damn, i was a crazy card collector back in the day. heres the scenario im currently looking at: my mattingly collection, close to 120 cards alone of him, 3/4 of them are in a big binder with sleeves, the other couple, i have in plastic (the more valuable ones) i have a card of mattingly when he took some of that kid's popcorn after a foulball in a hard plastic, and yet all my mattingly rookies are just sitting in the binder....young and stupid folks, young and stupid..

[thehoss]

torre also vouched for bubba crosby. one of the worst hitters in the last 5 years of baseball

oh come on duuuuude, bubba was a great player. he may have struggled at the bat, but the kid can cover ground in a tough yankee outfield. i loved him

[Lcsulla]

im suprised they didnt go after like a phil nevin type...a guy who can play the bag and hit for not too much cash. instead of giving pettitte a huge contract. was there a reason for that?

I don't think many Yankee fans see giving Pettitte a one year contract with a player option was a bad idea. It solidifies our rotation with a proven gamer who has pitched in every conceivable situation. I'll take him over Nevin any day and sacrifice some D.

My only concern is having two ground ball pitchers in Wang and Pettitte. Doug Mienkeblahblah should be fine at first, Jeter is solid at short, Cano could use some defensive work, and I am not sure what to expect out of A-Rod with the glove but having Doug over there should save him some potential throwing errors.

[Lcsulla]

but the kid can cover ground in a tough yankee outfield.

Not so much in Anaheim when he ran into Shef at about the worst possible time that season! :)

[crashintome202]

oh come on duuuuude, bubba was a great player. he may have struggled at the bat, but the kid can cover ground in a tough yankee outfield. i loved him
no, he just got such bad jumps on the ball it looked like he was making great plays. Overall, he was a terrible player. and to think he almost started for us...

[crashintome202]

I don't think many Yankee fans see giving Pettitte a one year contract with a player option was a bad idea. It solidifies our rotation with a proven gamer who has pitched in every conceivable situation. I'll take him over Nevin any day and sacrifice some D.

My only concern is having two ground ball pitchers in Wang and Pettitte. Doug Mienkeblahblah should be fine at first, Jeter is solid at short, Cano could use some defensive work, and I am not sure what to expect out of A-Rod with the glove but having Doug over there should save him some potential throwing errors.
well, its pretty much a 2 year deal unless he gets fucked up this year...
Dough ball dog is a great 1st basemen but fetuses have more power than him
jeter is very overrated at SS, anything to his left is a hit
Arod could do anything...

[thehoss]

no, he just got such bad jumps on the ball it looked like he was making great plays. Overall, he was a terrible player. and to think he almost started for us...

eh, im a sucker for those plays. come on now, plaxico making all those "great catches"? :lol

[thehoss]

well, its pretty much a 2 year deal unless he gets fucked up this year...
Dough ball dog is a great 1st basemen but fetuses have more power than him
jeter is very overrated at SS, anything to his left is a hit
Arod could do anything...

the FUCK you just said that.

[crashintome202]

the FUCK you just said that.
he is. just think about it next time you watch him play. to his right he's great... but to the left i cant bare to watch. watch some good SS play the position. they make alot of sliding catches to the left... not jeter

[crashintome202]

also, did you ever hear of the "fielding bible" the author says, and proves, that adam everett is a better fielder than jeter

[crashintome202]

if anyone is looking for a great yankee forum, go to nyyankeefans.com

[Trippin4136]

I don't think Jeter's left shoulder has ever been the same since that collision in Toronto on Opening Day 2003. I think to this day he hampers his ability to go full on to the left.

[thehoss]

he is. just think about it next time you watch him play. to his right he's great... but to the left i cant bare to watch. watch some good SS play the position. they make alot of sliding catches to the left... not jeter

honestly. get out of here. i happen to be a coach, and am very well aware at jeter and his mechanics. weaknesses are all over the place. furcal has a great arm, but he has a problem with stepping into his target. eckstein doesnt have armstrength, hes got to rely on his speed/coordination to catch and release to get 2-3 steps on the runner. none of those guys mentioned are overrated. to call jeter, top 5 defensive shortstops EVER, overrated for something like that? take a look at this


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_kcKHBCcA


overrate that, boss

[Lcsulla]

Jeter's fielding is like A-Rod's hitting to me. Nowhere near as bad as his detractors will have you think yet not quite as great as their proponents would lead you to believe.

[crashintome202]

honestly. get out of here. i happen to be a coach, and am very well aware at jeter and his mechanics. weaknesses are all over the place. furcal has a great arm, but he has a problem with stepping into his target. eckstein doesnt have armstrength, hes got to rely on his speed/coordination to catch and release to get 2-3 steps on the runner. none of those guys mentioned are overrated. to call jeter, top 5 defensive shortstops EVER, overrated for something like that? take a look at this


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_kcKHBCcA


overrate that, boss
it was a nice play but
1) jeter said himself he was in the right are where SS are supposed to be, you should know that since your a coach
2) thats not to his left.
Jeter top 5 ever? i can name 5 guys who are better than him today, let alone the history of the game
Alex Gonzalez
Omar Vizquel
Bobby Crosby
Tejada
Everett
Guillen
Bentancourt...

[crashintome202]

renteria
greene

[thehoss]

bentancourt? you're a joke buddy. like i said, get out of here.

[thehoss]

opinions are opinions, but you...overrated? fucking please. you dont even need to be a coach to tell yourself you should probably take that statement back. your list is weak. im talking of ALL TIME. you know? the wizard? not guys who were good in the 90's and are currently decent. ALL-time...

[Lcsulla]

All around, Honus Wagner and Alex Rodriguez are the best all time shortstops. Ernie Banks, Nomar Garciaparra, Derek Jeter, Arky Vaughn, and Miguel Tejada are distant cousins. This is taking both offense and defense into consideration.

[crashintome202]

opinions are opinions, but you...overrated? fucking please. you dont even need to be a coach to tell yourself you should probably take that statement back. your list is weak. im talking of ALL TIME. you know? the wizard? not guys who were good in the 90's and are currently decent. ALL-time...
guess your new to reading... i said that i could name 5 better current shortstops. and they all are. you must love those yankee googles you never take off. dont want to listen to me, fine... just remember 1 thing next season.
can jeter make plays to his left... the answer-no.

[crashintome202]

oh and one more thing... who's who

Player A: .249/.352/.392 744 OPS

Player B: .276/.392/.553 945 OPS

close and late

[Ascf33]

The guy just finished 2nd in the MVP voting. Lets let him get a few games under his belt in 2007 before you start trashing him. He has 4 rings and is the captain of the greatest sports franchise in all of the world. He's certainly not horrible.

[crashintome202]

The guy just finished 2nd in the MVP voting. Lets let him get a few games under his belt in 2007 before you start trashing him. He has 4 rings and is the captain of the greatest sports franchise in all of the world. He's certainly not horrible.
i never he was horrible... even defensively he's not horrible, just not the defender alot of people make him out to be. in terms of shortstops he's arguably the best in the league right there with Tejada an Young.
its not like he's a rookie where his 07 season will really change my thoughts on him.

[Trippin4136]

someone must think he's up there or he wouldn't have won 2 straight gold gloves.

[crashintome202]

someone must think he's up there or he wouldn't have won 2 straight gold gloves.
gold glove is a worthless award. Raffy Palmeiro won it 1 year when he only played like 38 games at 1st base...
Alex Gonzalez was such a better defender it wasnt even close. Fielding %, Zone Rating, Errors...

[Lcsulla]

gold glove is a worthless award. Raffy Palmeiro won it 1 year when he only played like 38 games at 1st base...


Yes, 1999. Biggest travesty I have ever seen, which soured me on GG's. Tino Martinez deserved that over Palmiero due to a better FP, UZR, and about 120 more games played at the position.

[crashintome202]

Yes, 1999. Biggest travesty I have ever seen, which soured me on GG's. Tino Martinez deserved that over Palmiero due to a better FP, UZR, and about 120 more games played at the position.
honestly, i think baseball awards are starting to lose their value. GG are worthless to me and same with Silver Sluggers. It goes by Batting average, clearly not the best indicator of a hitter. I mean, look at 3rd base this year. Crede over arod? what the fuck is that? arod was better in just about every stat.
MVP is still pretty valuable and the Cy Young is up and down for me. like 2 years ago colon won it over santana because he had more wins. yet santana pitched more innings, more Ks, much lower era...

[malarks26]

i just busted out my maas, nokes, mattingly card collection...god damn, i was a crazy card collector back in the day. heres the scenario im currently looking at: my mattingly collection, close to 120 cards alone of him, 3/4 of them are in a big binder with sleeves, the other couple, i have in plastic (the more valuable ones) i have a card of mattingly when he took some of that kid's popcorn after a foulball in a hard plastic, and yet all my mattingly rookies are just sitting in the binder....young and stupid folks, young and stupid..

Who didn't love Kevin Maas and Matt Nokes!?!? :lol

[Ascf33]

i never he was horrible... even defensively he's not horrible, just not the defender alot of people make him out to be. in terms of shortstops he's arguably the best in the league right there with Tejada an Young.
its not like he's a rookie where his 07 season will really change my thoughts on him.

The dude just had a great season, if that doesn't change your opinion on him... I dunno what will.

[Trippin4136]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2732682

Baseball does it right. Thank goodness. I'd be hoping they would do it, and they will.

The 2008 All-Star Game at THE Stadium.

[thehoss]

no waaaay siiiiick!! good timing too, way to ring out the "old" stadium

[thehoss]

btw, any word on when/where tickets go on sale?

[Trippin4136]

single game tickets go on sale January 31

[thehoss]

no no, allstar game, i cant remember how far ahead of time they go on sale..

[Trippin4136]

ahhh....yea no idea.

It's not official yet, so I imagine when it becomes official, something will go up on the website.

[smeritt]

so when is pettite going to be startign in the line up. I really want to try and get tickets to his first home start......

[Trippin4136]

The best bet is, he'll be 3rd in the rotation. Just go through the schedule, count it off and find the first home game that he falls on. That's probably the easiest thing to do right now.

EDIT: The 3rd game of the season :lol

[crashintome202]

its gonna be impossible to get all-star game tickets if your not a season ticket holder...
what would you rather go to:
The 2008 ASG
Last Home Game at Yankee Stadium
personally, the last game at YS is a no-brainer

[Trippin4136]

last home game NO question. you kidding? i plan on being there with a power drill to take home a seat.

[malarks26]

last home game NO question. you kidding? i plan on being there with a power drill to take home a seat.

:lol :lol

:thumbsup :thumbsup No doubt!

[crashintome202]

last home game NO question. you kidding? i plan on being there with a power drill to take home a seat.
lol i think they may sell stuff off, i heard something about that. i know the cards did that when they changed stadiums...

[Ascf33]

I would love a seat from the stadium.

[thehoss]

i want my section of the right field bleachers..and a piece of the facade in the right field upper deck, thats all

[Trippin4136]

I wouldn't mind snagging one of those team photos over the tunnels.

[crashintome202]

i'd also love to get some dirt and home plate

[DMBfan41]

2008 the Yankees are winning the World Series, its the only way possible that the Stadium could end

[Trippin4136]

"With Mariano Rivera nearing retirement in New York, the Yankees are already said to be eyeing the Angels' Francisco Rodriguez as a potential replacement. Rodriguez could command a deal in the four-year, $38-million range" - Los Angeles Times

Interesting to say the least. I just thought I'd throw that out there to tickle your minds. Know though, that the Yankees have a fireballer in the system named J. Brent Cox who most likely will assume the closer role A.M. (After Mo) unless they go out and sign K-Rod.

K-Rod was just awarded a 1-year/$7 Million through arbitration. He will be a free agent after 2007.

[crashintome202]

"With Mariano Rivera nearing retirement in New York, the Yankees are already said to be eyeing the Angels' Francisco Rodriguez as a potential replacement. Rodriguez could command a deal in the four-year, $38-million range" - Los Angeles Times

Interesting to say the least. I just thought I'd throw that out there to tickle your minds. Know though, that the Yankees have a fireballer in the system named J. Brent Cox who most likely will assume the closer role A.M. (After Mo) unless they go out and sign K-Rod.

K-Rod was just awarded a 1-year/$7 Million through arbitration. He will be a free agent after 2007.
Cox is not a fireballer... he throws 90. I'd love to see us get K-rod in for 08, but i dont see it happening. The Angels will do all they can to lock him up.

[Trippin4136]

92-94 is his typical scouting report. His fastball has a lot of sink to it which decreases its velocity. Either way, it's not his out pitch, his slider is.

[Trippin4136]

Watch out for Jesse Hoover. He's a kid that can dial it up to 97 with great electricity. He missed a lot of time in 2005. Hopefully his health can hold up b/c he's another prospect who can surely make it in the bullpen.

[Trippin4136]

Adam LaRoche was swapped for Mike Gonzalez. I guess we can breathe a sigh of relief. It looks Melky isn't going anywhere after those scary couple of days.

[crashintome202]

Adam LaRoche was swapped for Mike Gonzalez. I guess we can breathe a sigh of relief. It looks Melky isn't going anywhere after those scary couple of days.
i'd much rather have Gonzalez in the pen then melky on the bench. Melky makes a great 4th OF, but Gonzalez is the shit. he was like 20-20 in save opps. at one point last year.

[crashintome202]

92-94 is his typical scouting report. His fastball has a lot of sink to it which decreases its velocity. Either way, it's not his out pitch, his slider is.
that slider is fun to watch. I've only seen him pitch a few times but everytime im amazed on how devastating that pitch is

[crashintome202]

Watch out for Jesse Hoover. He's a kid that can dial it up to 97 with great electricity. He missed a lot of time in 2005. Hopefully his health can hold up b/c he's another prospect who can surely make it in the bullpen.
He's really low on the radar. not many people are expecting much from him because of his injuries and because of his bad control.
Christian Garcia is the small named guy you should watch out for. Alot of scouts think his ceiling is higher than Hughes'.

[Ascf33]

i'd much rather have Gonzalez in the pen then melky on the bench. Melky makes a great 4th OF, but Gonzalez is the shit. he was like 20-20 in save opps. at one point last year.

Not me. Melky is the future of the Yankees. I wouldn't mind him and Cano anchoring that lineup for years. Someone is bound to get hurt, Matsui is coming off an injury, and Damon/Abreu throw like girls. He'll see plenty of time, IMO.

[Trippin4136]

He's really low on the radar. not many people are expecting much from him because of his injuries and because of his bad control.
Christian Garcia is the small named guy you should watch out for. Alot of scouts think his ceiling is higher than Hughes'.

I know he's low on the radar, which is why I mentioned him. I know the Yankee farm system well.

[malarks26]

Not me. Melky is the future of the Yankees. I wouldn't mind him and Cano anchoring that lineup for years. Someone is bound to get hurt, Matsui is coming off an injury, and Damon/Abreu throw like girls. He'll see plenty of time, IMO.

Melky and Cano are definitely the future of the Yankees, I agree with you there. But Abreu has a cannon for an arm, Damon throws like a girl.

[Trippin4136]

i'd much rather have Gonzalez in the pen then melky on the bench. Melky makes a great 4th OF, but Gonzalez is the shit. he was like 20-20 in save opps. at one point last year.

To each their own. In my opinion, a young outfielder with a high ceiling is more vital to the Yankees right now. Frankly, even given his numbers, the combination of his elbow troubles and the league switch, he's a bit of a turnoff. Additionally, given the recent injuries and instability of the outfield positions, Melky is a big asset. Also, he is a better defender than all three of them.

[crashintome202]

Not me. Melky is the future of the Yankees. I wouldn't mind him and Cano anchoring that lineup for years. Someone is bound to get hurt, Matsui is coming off an injury, and Damon/Abreu throw like girls. He'll see plenty of time, IMO.
ahhh Abreu has a strong arm... dont know what you've been watching.
Melky isnt big enough of a hitter for me to consider him a legit part of the future.

[crashintome202]

I know he's low on the radar, which is why I mentioned him. I know the Yankee farm system well.
haha right after i posted that i was like
wait, he knows who hoover is, why am i bringing up garcia?!:D

[crashintome202]

To each their own. In my opinion, a young outfielder with a high ceiling is more vital to the Yankees right now. Frankly, even given his numbers, the combination of his elbow troubles and the league switch, he's a bit of a turnoff. Additionally, given the recent injuries and instability of the outfield positions, Melky is a big asset. Also, he is a better defender than all three of them.
seeing how mo probably has 2 mabye 3 years left, a closer for a while to come is very valuable too. Melky doesnt have a high ceiling. He's a weak hitter but luckily he walks a decent amount.

[malarks26]

seeing how mo probably has 2 mabye 3 years left, a closer for a while to come is very valuable too. Melky doesnt have a high ceiling. He's a weak hitter but luckily he walks a decent amount.

I thought Melky really held his own this past season. For being 22 years old and getting "thrown into the fire" I thought he did an amazing job defensively and a decent job at the plate. He was fairly consistent at the plate IMO.

[xBigNastyx]

seeing how mo probably has 2 mabye 3 years left, a closer for a while to come is very valuable too. Melky doesnt have a high ceiling. He's a weak hitter but luckily he walks a decent amount.

Yep..He is a solid player no doubt. But he isn't a superstar in the making.

[crashintome202]

I thought Melky really held his own this past season. For being 22 years old and getting "thrown into the fire" I thought he did an amazing job defensively and a decent job at the plate. He was fairly consistent at the plate IMO.
it also was his 2nd time up... He was not consistent at the plate though. Check out what did (or didnt do) in June or September.
June- .608 OPS
September- .661

[Trippin4136]

I'm not willing to count him out though. Given what I saw of him in Columbus before his call up and his age, he has the tools to a solid, well-rounded MLB player. Now, I would never expect him to be a 35-40 HR corner outfielder, but I think there is nothing holding back and with proper coaching he can be a guy who hits ~.300 and hit 20-25 HR.

[thehoss]

melky has the potential. not quite jeter-like. but god damn, that catch he made in left field that game (red sox i believe) where damon went nuuuuts. that was a huge glimpse of what he could do as an every day player in the bigs. he brings that spark. about k-rod, im sorry, but no way. i don't like him. play the waiting game with cox and hoover, until mo is gone. mo is here til the end of 08, that gives those boys acouple 2 years to get their shit together.

[Trippin4136]

I agree. They shouldn't bank on waiting for K-Rod. Chances are the Angels will throw the house at him anyways.

[thehoss]

I agree. They shouldn't bank on waiting for K-Rod. Chances are the Angels will throw the house at him anyways.

exactly. we're just gonna have to have patience until those guys step it up into the role of shutdown closer. and mind you, their will never EVER be another #42 again on that mound.. what do you think about proctor possibly stepping into that light for abit if the kids arent ready then? i think he could do it.

[Trippin4136]

I think Proctor could hold the job on an interim basis. but, the Yankees will be in bad shape in 2009 if they HAVE to go with an interim guy. Mo's successor should be ironed out before it comes to that.

[thehoss]

I think Proctor could hold the job on an interim basis. but, the Yankees will be in bad shape in 2009 if they HAVE to go with an interim guy. Mo's successor should be ironed out before it comes to that.

thats what im hoping for in the next 2 years. actually, 3, mo said he wanted to play IN the new stadium, so hes got 3 years left. the bigger the timeframe is, the better for the little guys, imo

[Trippin4136]

who wouldn't want to play in the new stadium?

[Ascf33]

I haven't driven by the stadium in a while... has there been any progress on the new park?

[Trippin4136]

I haven't either but I'm sure there is nothing going except some ground clearing, engineering and maybe some basic foundation work.

[thehoss]

I haven't either but I'm sure there is nothing going except some ground clearing, engineering and maybe some basic foundation work.

i was there september first, acouple weeks after the groundbreaking, and it seriously looked like the fucking wtc ground zero in january 02. its very odd, all fenced off, generating lights. weird stuff.

[crashintome202]

melky has the potential. not quite jeter-like. but god damn, that catch he made in left field that game (red sox i believe) where damon went nuuuuts. that was a huge glimpse of what he could do as an every day player in the bigs. he brings that spark. about k-rod, im sorry, but no way. i don't like him. play the waiting game with cox and hoover, until mo is gone. mo is here til the end of 08, that gives those boys acouple 2 years to get their shit together.
bubba crosby had a homerun saving catch, guess that really showed his potential too...
it was a very nice play but 1 play isnt enough to convince me he's gonna be a solid player.

[Trippin4136]

he's not saying 1 catch makes a career.

And Melky certainly has a lot more pop than Bubba Crosby. Again, the guy led the IL in Avg., hits, and RBI before his call up last year.

[thehoss]

bubba crosby had a homerun saving catch, guess that really showed his potential too...
it was a very nice play but 1 play isnt enough to convince me he's gonna be a solid player.

something tells me you arent even a fucking yankee fan. which leads me to another conclusion. why are you even in here?

i never said one catch makes a fucking career. maybe his several clutch at-bats? maybe is charisma he showed being able to handle a hostile environment at his age, in yankee stadium? yikes...

[Ascf33]

something tells me you arent even a fucking yankee fan. which leads me to another conclusion. why are you even in here?

i never said one catch makes a fucking career. maybe his several clutch at-bats? maybe is charisma he showed being able to handle a hostile environment at his age, in yankee stadium? yikes...

Exactly. The dude was leading off for the New York Yankees at the age of 22.

(At least I think he lead off a few games...) I know he eventually was the #7 guy.

[malarks26]

something tells me you arent even a fucking yankee fan. which leads me to another conclusion. why are you even in here?

i never said one catch makes a fucking career. maybe his several clutch at-bats? maybe is charisma he showed being able to handle a hostile environment at his age, in yankee stadium? yikes...

Yeah, I think this dude is a Red Sox fan if I remember correctly from earlier in the Yankees thread when he was trying to start shit.

[thehoss]

doesnt surprise me at all..

[xBigNastyx]

doesnt surprise me at all..

Oh PLEASE. It's a two way street. Don't try to at like you guys never try to start anything ever.


Anyways, that aside, how are you all feeling about your starting rotation? It seems like you are banking on Clemens returning, because aside from Mussina, Wang, and Pettitte, you really have no idea what you'll get?

[Ascf33]

Oh PLEASE. It's a two way street. Don't try to at like you guys never try to start anything ever.


Anyways, that aside, how are you all feeling about your starting rotation? It seems like you are banking on Clemens returning, because aside from Mussina, Wang, and Pettitte, you really have no idea what you'll get?

Not in your thread though. We keep to our own thread.

[jmudmbphan]

Oh PLEASE. It's a two way street. Don't try to at like you guys never try to start anything ever.


Anyways, that aside, how are you all feeling about your starting rotation? It seems like you are banking on Clemens returning, because aside from Mussina, Wang, and Pettitte, you really have no idea what you'll get?

why dont we just do what jamie suggested, and stay in our own teams threads?

[malarks26]

Oh PLEASE. It's a two way street. Don't try to at like you guys never try to start anything ever.


Anyways, that aside, how are you all feeling about your starting rotation? It seems like you are banking on Clemens returning, because aside from Mussina, Wang, and Pettitte, you really have no idea what you'll get?


I'm pretty sure we'll be fine. You forgot about Pavano in that starting rotation, baring he doesn't hurt his ass again this year. What a worthless signing he's been for us. He should really give all the money back from the past 2 seasons.

[jmudmbphan]

Im not expecting much from pavano to be perfectly honest..i think hes a piece of shit

[malarks26]

Im not expecting much from pavano to be perfectly honest..i think hes a piece of shit

He is just that, a pile of dogshit. They should make him give the money back that he hasn't been earning while in NY.

[xBigNastyx]

He is just that, a pile of dogshit. They should make him give the money back that he hasn't been earning while in NY.

I think "earning" is a strong word. Pavano isn't even that good. He had a fluke year and got the contract of his life that he in no way could have ever lived up to in my opinion.


I think he is soft and worthless.

[crashintome202]

I'm pretty sure we'll be fine. You forgot about Pavano in that starting rotation, baring he doesn't hurt his ass again this year. What a worthless signing he's been for us. He should really give all the money back from the past 2 seasons.
his ass is fine... its his eyelashes you have to be careful of

[crashintome202]

something tells me you arent even a fucking yankee fan. which leads me to another conclusion. why are you even in here?

i never said one catch makes a fucking career. maybe his several clutch at-bats? maybe is charisma he showed being able to handle a hostile environment at his age, in yankee stadium? yikes...
just because im not sold on every player doesnt mean im not a yankee fan... go to nyyankeefans.com and look up my screen name...

[thehoss]

Oh PLEASE. It's a two way street. Don't try to at like you guys never try to start anything ever.


Anyways, that aside, how are you all feeling about your starting rotation? It seems like you are banking on Clemens returning, because aside from Mussina, Wang, and Pettitte, you really have no idea what you'll get?

who's banking on clemens? not me? igawa, pettite, mussina, and wang (2007 al cy young award winner) with pavano, and still the best closer in the league with one of the top relievers in innings pitched in the league? we know exactly what we're getting, the same thing we've gotten for the last 10 years, an al east championship, and a spot in the playoffs. i will laugh when pavano wins 12 games this year, all the doubters, beware. btw, how can you talk trash about pavano when you guys banked on beckett after having 1 good year? good call..

[crashintome202]

who's banking on clemens? not me? igawa, pettite, mussina, and wang (2007 al cy young award winner) with pavano, and still the best closer in the league with one of the top relievers in innings pitched in the league? we know exactly what we're getting, the same thing we've gotten for the last 10 years, an al east championship, and a spot in the playoffs. i will laugh when pavano wins 12 games this year, all the doubters, beware. btw, how can you talk trash about pavano when you guys banked on beckett after having 1 good year? good call..
i'd love to get clemens back but i know he's gonna pull that shit again and take like 6 months to decide wether or not to pitch. I think Pavano can be good when he's healthy. But thats just the problem, he's never healthy.
The difference between Beckett and Pavano was that everyone loves becketts stuff. people ooze juices when they see his curve. Plus he was usually healthy aside from the blisters whereas pavano was always hurt except for 2 seasons.

[Ascf33]

To anyone who hasn't gotten any tickets yet...

20 Game Flex packs are onsale now. You get to chose between almost any 20 games of the year including 4 Sox games, 1 Mets game, 2 Angels games, and 1 Tigers game... as well as opening day and the Old-Timers game.

[Trippin4136]

how much are these packs running?

[Trippin4136]

In case you were all wondering (mostly directed at Jon (hoss) ), Nick Green signed a minor league deal with the Pirates ;)

[Ascf33]

how much are these packs running?

Its all based on which seats you want. So if you will sit in the bleachers or Tier reserved, the whole thing could come out to $200.

I didn't get these but I upgraded my seaon plan seats from Section 39 in the bleachers to Main Reserved in left field and it was about $300 more,

[Trippin4136]

Yea I would love to do that but I'm going to be traveling way too much this spring to invest in 20 games.

[crashintome202]

cano changed his number... guess the yankees are pretty confinident in Clemens coming here...
did anyone else see that picture of Clemens with his yankee ring on?

[malarks26]

cano changed his number... guess the yankees are pretty confinident in Clemens coming here...
did anyone else see that picture of Clemens with his yankee ring on?

We can only keep praying!!! ;)

[Ascf33]

cano changed his number... guess the yankees are pretty confinident in Clemens coming here...
did anyone else see that picture of Clemens with his yankee ring on?

What # did he change to?

EDIT: #24. It was on the Yankees.com front page.

[thehoss]

In case you were all wondering (mostly directed at Jon (hoss) ), Nick Green signed a minor league deal with the Pirates ;)

tis a sad day in yankee town...nick green, you will be missed...

may your platoonism continue to prosper in the great city of pittsburgh. :lorraine









:lol

[thehoss]

ehhhh, im not sure if i want clemens though. if he's going to pull that shit where he only pitches from july-september? talk about fucking up a team's chemistry..

[thehoss]

Its all based on which seats you want. So if you will sit in the bleachers or Tier reserved, the whole thing could come out to $200.

I didn't get these but I upgraded my seaon plan seats from Section 39 in the bleachers to Main Reserved in left field and it was about $300 more,

daaamn. i wish i could as well, but 11 games so far, plus the couple of games i pick up from the single game tickets, i think 15-20 total, will be my tops for the season.

[Trippin4136]

It's a complete mercenary act to get Clemens, but I'll take him if it increases chances of another division title and a World Series berth/title

[Trippin4136]

I wonder when someone will actually wear #21 again. Still no takers since Paulie left.

And oh yea, #24 looked ridiculous on Blubber Ponson

[thehoss]

I wonder when someone will actually wear #21 again. Still no takers since Paulie left.

And oh yea, #24 looked ridiculous on Blubber Ponson

21 won't be worn again, no way. i hated #24 being used ever again, and i hated even more, when 46 was being used. horseshit

[Trippin4136]

especially by scrap heaps Darrell May and whoever else

[thehoss]

especially by scrap heaps Darrell May and whoever else

aaron guile, but i guess i wont put him under the scrap heap, he was OK. not quite nick green-esque though ;)


i was thinking. between you, me, and tj, would you be interested in splitting up the cost of a 20 game flexpack, and picking and choosing the games and the price and so-forth?

[Trippin4136]

d'oh. Aaron Guiel, duh. I've got his #46 Columbus jersey hanging in my closet. Faded tobacco, dirt stains and all. But it can pass as a slick Columbus Pettitte jersey now.

That's an intriguing idea. Chances are I would have to take weekend games.

[thehoss]

d'oh. Aaron Guiel, duh. I've got his #46 Columbus jersey hanging in my closet. Faded tobacco, dirt stains and all. But it can pass as a slick Columbus Pettitte jersey now.

That's an intriguing idea. Chances are I would have to take weekend games.

thatd be fine with me with your weekends. im pretty flexible right now. i think we should/could make this work. we'll see what tj says about it.

[xBigNastyx]

who's banking on clemens? not me? igawa, pettite, mussina, and wang (2007 al cy young award winner) with pavano, and still the best closer in the league with one of the top relievers in innings pitched in the league? we know exactly what we're getting, the same thing we've gotten for the last 10 years, an al east championship, and a spot in the playoffs. i will laugh when pavano wins 12 games this year, all the doubters, beware. btw, how can you talk trash about pavano when you guys banked on beckett after having 1 good year? good call..


Beckett pitched for us.

Pavano has been a woman for y'all.

Beckett will adjust to life in the AL East and you'll eat your words.

And to the bold part....HAHAHAHAHA.

[Trippin4136]

what have we said about you coming in here to troll? you were even warned by a moderator. do you really have some physical inability to control yourself? really what is it? no one in this thread gives the slightest consideration of what you say or what you respond to posts.

[xBigNastyx]

aaron guile, but i guess i wont put him under the scrap heap, he was OK. not quite nick green-esque though ;)


i was thinking. between you, me, and tj, would you be interested in splitting up the cost of a 20 game flexpack, and picking and choosing the games and the price and so-forth?

guiel.

[xBigNastyx]

what have we said about you coming in here to troll? you were even warned by a moderator. do you really have some physical inability to control yourself? really what is it? no one in this thread gives the slightest consideration of what you say or what you respond to posts.

When someone qoutes me, I respond to it..

Don't like it? Time to get over it.

[xBigNastyx]

what have we said about you coming in here to troll? you were even warned by a moderator. do you really have some physical inability to control yourself? really what is it? no one in this thread gives the slightest consideration of what you say or what you respond to posts.


By the way, I'm not trolling, just responding to what someone said to me. Get over it man.

[Trippin4136]

there is nothing i need to get over. your presence in this thread hinders its progression and purpose. we have already asked you in so many ways to stay out of it. just confirming it for you.

[xBigNastyx]

there is nothing i need to get over. your presence in this thread hinders its progression and purpose. we have already asked you in so many ways to stay out of it. just confirming it for you.

I'm aware of what Jamie said. He said not to cause problems. I didn't. I responded to what someone said to me. Not a big deal unless you try to make it one.

[Trippin4136]

I'm just saying your response to Jon's post very much comes across as trolling and the typical banter we have seen out of you in this thread.

If you behave you're welcome in this thread.

Discussion over.

[thehoss]

so... the flexplan?

[Trippin4136]

:lol

I'm still down.

TJ! Get yo' ass back here.

[Ascf33]

I might be down... I already have about 20 games though thats the only thing.

[thehoss]

damn. well even then, maybe we can find another reliable leg? big'n'tasty? you in?

[Ascf33]

:lol :lol

I'm sure you could find another person in here. I mean its like 6 or 7 games each, for below face value.

[Ascf33]

Actually... even Jamie might be interested. He's only in CT.

[thehoss]

ya, its a solid deal..something tells me the word "reliable" will scare off the bigshow, more than the words "yankee stadium".

[Trippin4136]

BigShow is down in Georgia chokeslamming the competition. That trip may be a little hard for him.

[thehoss]

BigShow is down in Georgia chokeslamming the competition. That trip may be a little hard for him.

oh shit. is he gonna be the bigdawg in the rumble this weekend? that'd be crazy

[thehoss]

donny baseball invented a baseball product. the v-grip. im gonna look into this one, and report back.

[xBigNastyx]

I'm just saying your response to Jon's post very much comes across as trolling and the typical banter we have seen out of you in this thread.

If you behave you're welcome in this thread.

Discussion over.

Fair enough.

[smeritt]

Oh if only i could be a part of the flexplan, i dont know maybe ill talk to the padre though its only a 6 hour trek from rachacha.....

[thehoss]

Oh if only i could be a part of the flexplan, i dont know maybe ill talk to the padre though its only a 6 hour trek from rachacha.....

we could do a background check on ya, and see what comes up ;)

haha, just playing. seriously though, we're gonna talk through this, it was just an idea i wanted to throw out here. i know tj and myself were at numerous games last year, and i know we both have several packages already for this season. and i know jon said he was interested, we're just all figuring out schedules and things. it will come up again soon.

[Ascf33]

Lets go Yankees.

[Trippin4136]

right on the front page of ESPN.com's MLB page...This is an interesting read

Yankees Farm System a real strength (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=2742549)

[crashintome202]

right on the front page of ESPN.com's MLB page...This is an interesting read

Yankees Farm System a real strength (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=2742549)
BA ranked the yankees 7th in all of baseball

[bartenderchris]

I hate the yankees, that is all

[thehoss]

I hate the yankees, that is all

way to contribute :thumbsup

[thehoss]

"Their first pick in 2003, Tim Stauffer, hid a shoulder injury until after he was taken and looks like a four-A player at best."

cold stove, with san diego, but tim stauffer played in my hometown. kind of cool to see him mentioned, but too bad it was negative. although it looks like he'll be their number 5 starter this year.

[malarks26]

I'm shocked their farm system is ranked 7th in all of baseball, especially after some of the stupid trades Cashman has made over the past 3-4 years.

[thehoss]

I'm shocked their farm system is ranked 7th in all of baseball, especially after some of the stupid trades Cashman has made over the past 3-4 years.

naw, their drafting has been superb the last 3-4 years. cashman knows what he's doing. i promise you he had no say in the johnson fiasco. that was all steinbrenner

[malarks26]

naw, their drafting has been superb the last 3-4 years. cashman knows what he's doing. i promise you he had no say in the johnson fiasco. that was all steinbrenner

Yeah, you're probably right, Steinbrenner does jump the gun sometimes.

[Trippin4136]

apparently J. Brent Cox broke a bone in his hand after getting in a fist fight.

Oh those hot headed closers from Texas :lol

[malarks26]

apparently J. Brent Cox broke a bone in his hand after getting in a fist fight.

Oh those hot headed closers from Texas :lol

That's not good.

[Trippin4136]

That's not good.

Yea, it's not good that he's short tempered. His projection was hinted at in the ESPN article.

In terms of his playing time and roster maneuvering it's not that imperative. He will not attend the Yankees' Spring Training, he had received an invite, but he will focus on rehabbing strictly in preparation for the start of the minor league season. He was not going to end up in the Bronx this year anyways.

Frankly, it's a dumb mistake, but he'll recover and move on. Luckily it was not seriously.

Not like Kevin Brown punching a wall, then going to pitch Game 7 v. Boston with little to no recovery.

[jmudmbphan]

I was going to post that farm system article bbut looks like someone beat me to it....nice to see something like that about the Yankees for once.

[crashintome202]

apparently J. Brent Cox broke a bone in his hand after getting in a fist fight.

Oh those hot headed closers from Texas :lol
great brien taylor v 2...

[Ascf33]

Yea, it's not good that he's short tempered. His projection was hinted at in the ESPN article.

In terms of his playing time and roster maneuvering it's not that imperative. He will not attend the Yankees' Spring Training, he had received an invite, but he will focus on rehabbing strictly in preparation for the start of the minor league season. He was not going to end up in the Bronx this year anyways.

Frankly, it's a dumb mistake, but he'll recover and move on. Luckily it was not seriously.

Not like Kevin Brown punching a wall, then going to pitch Game 7 v. Boston with little to no recovery.

:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine

[Trippin4136]

Single Game tickets go on sale today folks...what are you all buying?

I'm trying to get 3 of these 7 games

May 26 v. Angels
May 27 v. Angels
June 9 v. Pirates
June 16 v. Mets (but I'm not counting on it)
June 30 v. A's
July 21 v. TB
Aug. 4 v. KC

I figure the last 2 will be easy tickets. But I'm not dying for a great matchup, just good seats and an enjoyable time at The Stadium.

[thehoss]

im gonna wait out the storm abit. my waits in line have been about 15 minutes. the subway series and boston games are gone already.

on another note, did anyone else get juiced up during the all star game announcement when bloomberg said "2 more weeks, and pitchers and catchers report" ? i got all tingley...

[Trippin4136]

I pulled tix for the 5/27 Angels game and the 6/9 Pirates game...both in Bx 648

Blech, but whatever I'll take them. the 6/9 seats are shitty seats for a weak game but whatever, it's my dad's b-day that weekend and he'll still appreciate going to a Yankee game.

I got 2 more counters going. One for 6/30 v. the A's and the other 8/4 v. the Royals

[malarks26]

I pulled tix for the 5/27 Angels game and the 6/9 Pirates game...both in Bx 648

Blech, but whatever I'll take them. the 6/9 seats are shitty seats for a weak game but whatever, it's my dad's b-day that weekend and he'll still appreciate going to a Yankee game.

I got 2 more counters going. One for 6/30 v. the A's and the other 8/4 v. the Royals

Cool....I'm hoping to catch a game or two this coming season myself. It's kind of tough at times b/c it's about a 3 to 3 1/2 hour drive from my house to Yankee Stadium, so I'm pretty much limited to the weekend home games.

[Trippin4136]

I forget how it is in the upper tank...is it double letters are closer to the front or single letters?

[thehoss]

I forget how it is in the upper tank...is it double letters are closer to the front or single letters?

whats the box number?

[Trippin4136]

bx 646

[thehoss]

thats towards the front. i believe double letters are closest, but don't quote me, the last 3 years, my ticket plans have been in the right field bleachers

[Trippin4136]

whats toward the front, double letters?

[thehoss]

whats toward the front, double letters?

yes sir

[Trippin4136]

yea thats what i thought.

[Ascf33]

Double letters are in the front.

[Trippin4136]

bah...I've got row A for both the tickets I bought today.

[Ascf33]

Thats still only like 12 rows back tops.

I think the last double letter is LL

[Trippin4136]

12 more than I'd like when in the UD :)

[Ascf33]

12 more than I'd like when in the UD :)

true true.

The Tier boxes aint bad though. You get a great view of the game. Its the tier reserved seats that feel like you are in outerspace.

[Trippin4136]

So the Yankees offer Bernie Williams a minor league deal.

Basically they are saying, show us something that warrants you getting guaranteed money and a roster spot or we are moving on. If Bernie takes the minor league, it's either the Bronx or retirement for him I assume. I don't see him going anywhere else. He certainly won't be playing in Scranton, that's for damn sure.

[malarks26]

So the Yankees offer Bernie Williams a minor league deal.

Basically they are saying, show us something that warrants you getting guaranteed money and a roster spot or we are moving on. If Bernie takes the minor league, it's either the Bronx or retirement for him I assume. I don't see him going anywhere else. He certainly won't be playing in Scranton, that's for damn sure.

I agree, it'll either be the bigs or retirement for Bernie. I personally think it's a good move for the Yankees. I mean, what do they have to lose in offering him the minor league deal? He either proves he can be an asset off the bench or doesn't. I like the move by Cashman on this one. I for one hope Bernie makes the squad, he's always been a classy guy.

[Trippin4136]

I think if Bernie can't make it, he'll be quite happy going off and playing jazz guitar around clubs in NY and come home to his 4 WS rings.

Now, would #51 be retired, that's a good question. I think he'll definitely get a plaque in the outfield.

[Lcsulla]

It pays to be a Yankee fan! My flight attendent just moved me up to an extra seat in front because of my pinstriped bag! :)

[malarks26]

It pays to be a Yankee fan! My flight attendent just moved me up to an extra seat in front because of my pinstriped bag! :)


:thumbsup :thumbsup Nice!

As for Bernie's #51 being retired, I do believe it will and I do believe he will definitely have a plaque in Monument Park someday. He's one of the greats to say the least!

[Trippin4136]

New York Yankees vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman said Tuesday that he wouldn't rule out top pitching prospect Philip Hughes making the team out of spring training.

Even if he does stick with the big club, and that would be a surprise, the Yankees plan to keep him under 180 total innings pitched this season. -- Source: Westchester Journal News

Well that would go against everything I've heard. But I suppose if Pavano doesn't work out and Karstens regresses in ST it's possible. This is going to be an interesting development in March.

[xBigNastyx]

When Hughes comes up, do the Yanks plan to use him at all out of the pen? Or is he strictly either pitching out of the rotation in the bigs or staying in the minors?

Just curious.

[Trippin4136]

He will be strictly in the bigs as a starter or he will be in AAA. They will not screw around and throw him out of the 'pen in some sort of middle ground.

[Trippin4136]

So my dad found out today that the engineering company that he works for is now in charge of the "environmental engineering, remediation, and haz mat management" of the demolition of Yankee Stadium and other nearby structures.

Now this is a huge project for his company but man, he's still slightly conflicted with overseeing the proper tearing down of The Stadium he's loved since he was a child. :(

[crashintome202]

So the Yankees offer Bernie Williams a minor league deal.

Basically they are saying, show us something that warrants you getting guaranteed money and a roster spot or we are moving on. If Bernie takes the minor league, it's either the Bronx or retirement for him I assume. I don't see him going anywhere else. He certainly won't be playing in Scranton, that's for damn sure.
no clue why they did this... oh wait, torre sucks his dick.
i love bernie, but he should have retired before the 06 season. I never want to see him in the field again, any position, unless every other person was killed. he is an absoulte butcher in the field. he cant pinch hit for shit and swings at the first pitch when doing so about 80% of the time. He's pretty good against lefites but facing righties, i'll take almost anyone over him.

[Trippin4136]

no clue why they did this... oh wait, torre sucks his dick.
i love bernie, but he should have retired before the 06 season. I never want to see him in the field again, any position, unless every other person was killed. he is an absoulte butcher in the field. he cant pinch hit for shit and swings at the first pitch when doing so about 80% of the time. He's pretty good against lefites but facing righties, i'll take almost anyone over him.

wow, good contribution :thumbsdow

[thehoss]

wow, good contribution :thumbsdow

this kid is a complete asshole, and knows very little about baseball jon, dont worry about it

[Ascf33]

no clue why they did this... oh wait, torre sucks his dick.
i love bernie, but he should have retired before the 06 season. I never want to see him in the field again, any position, unless every other person was killed. he is an absoulte butcher in the field. he cant pinch hit for shit and swings at the first pitch when doing so about 80% of the time. He's pretty good against lefites but facing righties, i'll take almost anyone over him.

Awesome.

[Trippin4136]

How do you take down Yankee Stadium, HOW?!? With the news my dad gave me, i've been fighting this for the last 12 hours. It's brutal.

[thehoss]

no clue why they did this... oh wait, torre sucks his dick.
i love bernie, but he should have retired before the 06 season. I never want to see him in the field again, any position, unless every other person was killed. he is an absoulte butcher in the field. he cant pinch hit for shit and swings at the first pitch when doing so about 80% of the time. He's pretty good against lefites but facing righties, i'll take almost anyone over him.

you know, i decided not to read your post after the first sentence, but what the fuck? the shit this organization has gone through with freak accidents that have led to death's within the team(thurm, lidle), and you poke fun like that? real class act, brother. get the fuck out of here

[thehoss]

How do you take down Yankee Stadium, HOW?!? With the news my dad gave me, i've been fighting this for the last 12 hours. It's brutal.

how did they take down ebbets field? its just how it is, man. my dad said this is what it was like back when ebbets field was torn down/the dodgers moved to LA. it sucks, but im going to welcome the new stadium...well, try to anyway. just take in every single game you go to from here on out, thats all you can do

[Trippin4136]

Oh I know, it's just a real bitter pill to swallow, which I haven't done yet. All we can do is go to as many games as possible and take as many pictures as possible.

Oh and I told my dad to snag me a seat from the work site.

But to me, it's like taking down a monument. For NYC, it's like taking down the Empire State Building.

I just hope they leave some of the above ground structure standing. They can't knock it all down and leave the feeling like the Stadium never existed.

[crashintome202]

you know, i decided not to read your post after the first sentence, but what the fuck? the shit this organization has gone through with freak accidents that have led to death's within the team(thurm, lidle), and you poke fun like that? real class act, brother. get the fuck out of here
oh shit, i didn't even think of lidle. im sorry:( i wasn't trying to take a shot at them, im voicing my anger at the decision of bringing bernie back

[GavMan33]

Greetings all, here's to an early Springtime in the Northeast, we hope!

I'll jump in here. My Grandfather passed in on to my father, and he has passed it down to me. You go to Yankee Stadium, and there's nothing like it. The fact that we'll only be able to do it for two more seasons is a little disconcerting. But Jon, this shouldn't be a horrible thing. It should be a celebration of all the many years of great, winning baseball, to be played at The Stadium. It's unfortunate, but Yankee Stadium is old, and a bit outdated. The organization made the decision to go ahead and build a new ballpark. But they've made all the right moves with this from the start; from funding it themselves, to keeping it in the Bronx, the whole bit. There's going to be plenty of reminders of the old ballpark in the new Yankee Stadium.

And now that I said it, I'm not actually sure. Is it going to be called Yankee Stadium? Do we know?

As for retiring #51, I've thought about this for awhile. I was kind of surprised that #46 was worn by someone (I forget who) right after Pettite left. Pettite pitched in countless huge games for us, and won (with the exception of Game 6 of the 01 World Series, dammit!). I would've thought they'd given some thought to #46. Obviously #51 has done even more for us. I'm sure we can all agree that #2 and #6 are shut down after the present people wearing them are gone. The same can be said for #42 (which is already retired by the team I guess, per Jackie Robinson). So where does Bernie stand in that group? And Pettite? And even someone like O'Neill? And I feel like since I'm dropping all of these names, I should give some respect to Posada, though I don't think his name is as big as others.

EDIT: And Jon, my condolensces go out to your boys from Columbus. Hopefully the hoop team out there will bring some cures to all the hurt from that night in Phoenix.

[Trippin4136]

Thanks man. It was a rough night. But we've moved on from it.

Yes, the new Stadium will be called Yankee Stadium. I think people would revolt if they slapped a corporate tag on it. :lol I know it's progress and that's where the Stadium comes in, but you know, it still takes some adjusting. As I said before, they better just leave some part of the above ground structure standing. If they don't, it'll be as if it never existed and that is just WRONG.

The #46 you're looking for is Darrell May and Aaron Guiel.

Bob, check out my sig for my website. It's still in the development stages, but I've got some good content on there for now.

[Ascf33]

From Yankees.com:

Projected batting order
1. CF Johnny Damon:
.285 BA, 24 HR, 80 RBI in 2006
2. SS Derek Jeter:
.343 BA, 14 HR, 97 RBI in 2006
3. RF Bobby Abreu:
.297 BA, 15 HR, 107 RBI in 2006
4. 3B Alex Rodriguez:
.290 BA, 35 HR, 121 RBI in 2006
5. DH Jason Giambi:
.253 BA, 37 HR, 113 RBI in 2006
6. LF Hideki Matsui:
.302 BA, 8 HR, 29 RBI in 2006
7. 2B Robinson Cano:
.342 BA, 15 HR, 78 RBI in 2006
8. C Jorge Posada:
.277 BA, 23 HR, 93 RBI in 2006
9. 1B Doug Mientkiewicz:
.251 BA, 5 HR, 30 RBI in 2006


Projected rotation
1. Chien-Ming Wang, 19-6, 3.63 ERA in 2006
2. Andy Pettitte, 14-13, 4.20 ERA in 2006
3. Mike Mussina, 15-7, 3.51 ERA in 2006
4. Kei Igawa, Played in Japan in 2006
5. Carl Pavano, Did not pitch in 2006

Projected bullpen
Closer: Mariano Rivera, 34 saves, 1.80 ERA in 2006
RH setup man: Kyle Farnsworth, 4.36 ERA in 2006
RH setup man: Scott Proctor, 3.52 ERA in 2006

:hump :hump :hump :hump

[Trippin4136]

bah....hit A-Rod 9th. :lol :D

[Ascf33]

Poor Jorge... to bat 8th after a season like that. :lol

[crashintome202]

torre won't have posada hit 8th ahead of cano...
Question of the day: Mike Mussina- Hall of Famer?

[Trippin4136]

243 wins (going into 2007), 3.63 career ERA, 2500+ Ks, 6 Gold Gloves but no 20 win seasons and no ring (yet). It's very, very close. Though, there are probably guys with comparable numbers in the HoF. I say right now, no. But if he can inch up to 270 Wins and the Yankees get another title, I say a very good chance.

He's definitely been a top 10 pitcher of this generation, IMO.

[Ascf33]

He's definitely been a top 10 pitcher of this generation, IMO.

I agree... and its remarkable how he's done it so quietly and under the radar.

[crashintome202]

243 wins (going into 2007), 3.63 career ERA, 2500+ Ks, 6 Gold Gloves but no 20 win seasons and no ring (yet). It's very, very close. Though, there are probably guys with comparable numbers in the HoF. I say right now, no. But if he can inch up to 270 Wins and the Yankees get another title, I say a very good chance.

He's definitely been a top 10 pitcher of this generation, IMO.
i think he's right on the borderline. these next 2 (maybe more) years will really define if he makes it in. There are worse pitchers than him that have made it in and he's got the wins, K's, GG, but the ring... he needs a ring

[Ascf33]

Yankees will get a ring in 2007.

[Trippin4136]

I hope so. I can't take it anymore...Arrrghhh (god, we're spoiled)

And Jeetz still awaits one for the thumb.

[malarks26]

I hope so. I can't take it anymore...Arrrghhh (god, we're spoiled)

And Jeetz still awaits one for the thumb.

I know, these last few years have killed me! I haven't even been interested in watching the last few WS. :shrug

[Trippin4136]

I think I've watched a combined 9 innings of the last 3 World Series. Not just b/c the Yankees haven't been in (though that's part of it) but the matchups to me, have been total snoozefests and the outcomes have confirmed it.

2004: 4-0
2005: 4-0
2006: 4-1

wow.

[malarks26]

I think I've watched a combined 9 innings of the last 3 World Series. Not just b/c the Yankees haven't been in (though that's part of it) but the matchups to me, have been total snoozefests and the outcomes have confirmed it.

2004: 4-0
2005: 4-0
2006: 4-1

wow.

It's been two things for me, one b/c the Yanks haven't been in it and two b/c I didn't care about the other teams who were in it.

[Ascf33]

Yeah, baseball and football season ends for me when the Yankees and Giants lose.

[Altima22]

Yankees will get a ring in 2007.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Ascf33]

So what do you guys think... Will Arod be here in 2008?? I know that the 2007 season will most likely dictate that decision... but I just wanna know what you guys think now.

[GavMan33]

Just read up here in the Albany Times Union that ARod will tear up his contract after this season. Granted, the guy that wrote the article is a complete tool. But I haven't been paying enough attention yet to know exactly what's up. Is he reallt contemplating this? I truly hope he has a season up to his standards. Nothing earth-shattering, just a great all-around season for him, get all the damn folks off his back. Hopefully it happens for him. So in answer to your question, I'd love to see him complete his contract in New York....

[Ascf33]

Arod's comment on Sportscenter last night was just the same as its been... "I want to be a Yankee, and I want to win a Championship"

[Trippin4136]

Click on the link in my profile to get my take on A-Rod.

[Ascf33]

Click on the link in my profile to get my take on A-Rod.

Good take on the issue, Jon. :thumbsup

[Altima22]

Good take on the issue, Jon. :thumbsup

I agree. :thumbsup

[Trippin4136]

Thanks guys. I try to keep my site updated with new content as much as possible. This site is what's keeping my mind and writing fresh before I get back on the minor league trail this spring. I'm going to be starting the season a little later that I would like, but I've got some pretty big things unfolding for myself in terms of covering minor league baseball.

But please, keep coming back for updates, feel free to comment and certainly tell your friends, family, whomever about my site :)

[xBigNastyx]

Click on the link in my profile to get my take on A-Rod.

That was a nice read, thanks.

[thehoss]

too bad about hank bauer. he was a good man, and one of my favorites during old-timer's day.. jon, anyway you can maybe put something together about bauer?

[Trippin4136]

So on Mike & Mike this morning they reported that Mariano Rivera has informed the Yankees that "he has no reservations about walking away from the Yankees if they do not extend him beyond the final year of his contract before it expires."

He also said that "he nor his agent will initiate any contract talks and that it is up to the Yankees" and that he "wants respect". Come on Mariano, you have ALL the respect IN THE WORLD from Yankee bras and the fans.

Now, this is very un-Mariano-like but certainly the Yankees can't not balk or bait Mariano. They need to just get a deal done ASAP.

[Trippin4136]

Here is the link to the MLB.com article

Mariano (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070212&content_id=1800193&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

[crashintome202]

i always just figured mo would be around forever. they won't let him go

[thehoss]

woooow. that kind of shocks me, with mo being the low-key guy he is.

[Trippin4136]

I think he may be a little soured by how Bernie's career in NY ended. I think he just wants the security of being under contract until he knows he's going to retire.

[Trippin4136]

i always just figured mo would be around forever. they won't let him go

I think its more like, they CAN'T let him go.

[Ascf33]

That would be the Yankees biggest mistake not resigning him.

[thehoss]

I think he may be a little soured by how Bernie's career in NY ended. I think he just wants the security of being under contract until he knows he's going to retire.

very good point. they were very good friends, i guess i can see why he'd speak up alittle bit on that topic. its a fucking crime the way they are handling bernie right now. i understand he's beyond his years compared to cabrera or mats, or abreu, but shit man, hes better than matsui in the field at this point. its a tough pill to swallow...

btw, i forget who was telling me i was stupid when i thought bubba crosby was a solid player who brought alot of energy to the team..i bought a bubba jersey the other day in albany, on a clearance rack :lol

[Trippin4136]

Bubba is in Cincinnati now.

As for Bernie, as much as I love him and wish he could stay, he simply had just run his time with the team. I believe the Yankees were gracious in even giving him a minor league deal. Let's be realistic here folks. We all want Bernie to hang around b/c he's BERNIE. However, there really is not a spot for him on the team. Nowe, they could carry 11 pitchers instead of 12, but as we've seen, the Yankees can never have too much bullpen help.

He had his curtain calls, his name chanting in the Stadium last year. He has his finale rounds with the team and the fans. I believe he could have and should have ridden off into Yankee lore and avoided the mixed feelings and uncertainly that confront him right now.

[thehoss]

Bubba is in Cincinnati now.
As for Bernie, as much as I love him and wish he could stay, he simply had just run his time with the team. I believe the Yankees were gracious in even giving him a minor league deal. Let's be realistic here folks. We all want Bernie to hang around b/c he's BERNIE. However, there really is not a spot for him on the team. Nowe, they could carry 11 pitchers instead of 12, but as we've seen, the Yankees can never have too much bullpen help.

He had his curtain calls, his name chanting in the Stadium last year. He has his finale rounds with the team and the fans. I believe he could have and should have ridden off into Yankee lore and avoided the mixed feelings and uncertainly that confront him right now.

right....hence why i bought the jersey on a clearance rack?

[Trippin4136]

right....hence why i bought the jersey on a clearance rack?

yep. I was just informing. :thumbsup

Of course, even if he were in the Yankee system still...who's rushing out the door to get a Bubba Crosby jersey? I didn't even know such things were once in production. :lol

[thehoss]

yep. I was just informing. :thumbsup

Of course, even if he were in the Yankee system still...who's rushing out the door to get a Bubba Crosby jersey? I didn't even know such things were once in production. :lol

i know, right? i just happened to be browsing crossgates mall, and saw a yankee store, with sheff, crosby, and johnson jerseys on sale :monkey

[Trippin4136]

they're talking Mariano on WFAN right now

[crashintome202]

very good point. they were very good friends, i guess i can see why he'd speak up alittle bit on that topic. its a fucking crime the way they are handling bernie right now. i understand he's beyond his years compared to cabrera or mats, or abreu, but shit man, hes better than matsui in the field at this point. its a tough pill to swallow...

btw, i forget who was telling me i was stupid when i thought bubba crosby was a solid player who brought alot of energy to the team..i bought a bubba jersey the other day in albany, on a clearance rack :lol
that was me! how much was it? i might get one as a joke...
the difference between mo's contract situation and bernies was their performance. Bernie had been declining for a few years so they signed damon, traded for abreu, and brought melky up. Mo is still the best closer in the game. He needs to be locked up no matter the cost.

[thehoss]

that was me! how much was it? i might get one as a joke...
the difference between mo's contract situation and bernies was their performance. Bernie had been declining for a few years so they signed damon, traded for abreu, and brought melky up. Mo is still the best closer in the game. He needs to be locked up no matter the cost.

20 bucks, "authentic" jersey. it was a good buy. i won't be putting it in my suitcase for the opening week run, but it will come with me to some game this summer.

[GavMan33]

Well, this is all very sad. I was unaware of this until I dropped by here this morning. Unlike Bernie's case, I don't think that Yankees can afford NOT to keep Mariano. Even if production drops slightly, he's still on of the best closers in the game. Jon, since you're a baseball guy by profession, any idea exactly how many wins he's actually responsible for every season? I have no idea, but I'm sure it's a lot. I really hope that what's going on with the Yankees and Bernie is only a short-term thing, sides can be mended, and Bernie can be a great ambassador for the franchise for a lot of years....

[thehoss]

Well, this is all very sad. I was unaware of this until I dropped by here this morning. Unlike Bernie's case, I don't think that Yankees can afford NOT to keep Mariano. Even if production drops slightly, he's still on of the best closers in the game. Jon, since you're a baseball guy by profession, any idea exactly how many wins he's actually responsible for every season? I have no idea, but I'm sure it's a lot. I really hope that what's going on with the Yankees and Bernie is only a short-term thing, sides can be mended, and Bernie can be a great ambassador for the franchise for a lot of years....

i know you're talking to the other jon, but honestly, since 97, id give him the nod for around 65-75 percent of the wins the yankees have received..

[Ascf33]

I'd say he's the reigning MVP of the Yankees every year since 1997.

EDIT: Maybe Bernie's Batting title year... maybe Jeter last year... but even still.

[GavMan33]

i know you're talking to the other jon, but honestly, since 97, id give him the nod for around 65-75 percent of the wins the yankees have received..

My fault bro, I didn't realize your name was Jon also. Well good, I got an answer. So 65-75 percent of wins are resulted by him. There's no way they can afford not to resign him, I'm curious why they are even balking at this.

[Trippin4136]

I can't really get into the stats since I'm at work, but it's definitely safe to say it's over 50% and that's more than enough.

I have to believe neither side wants conflict here, but again, this is not the time nor the person to be taking the high road with.

It's better to have a slowed, aging Rivera on the Yankees at $13-$14M per year than facing him.

[Ascf33]

Agreed. With all the K-Rod talks as well...

I'd hate to see mo in an Angels uni.

[Trippin4136]

K-Rod will be a free agent after 2007. He's currently under a 1 year arbitration deal.

[GavMan33]

I can't really get into the stats since I'm at work, but it's definitely safe to say it's over 50% and that's more than enough.

I have to believe neither side wants conflict here, but again, this is not the time nor the person to be taking the high road with.

It's better to have a slowed, aging Rivera on the Yankees at $13-$14M per year than facing him.

Hey, as I said to a guy in the NFL thread last week, you're a better man than I. You're out working hard, making yourself some good money, while I'm at home, sitting on my couch watching SportsCenter. It's a sad life man.

And I never thought about it that way, but I'd much rather have him on our team than having to face him....

[Trippin4136]

The Yankees are going to keep us all holding our breath about Rivera & Posada the whole season folks. Although Sweeney from WFAN is saying there is still a possibility something gets worked out during ST.

He's also reporting his teammates still dislike Pavano. A lot. :lol

I'm going down to Spring Training - both Mets & Yankees - the 2nd full week in March. It should be a great time watching the players, gladhanding with a few folks. I can't wait.

[Trippin4136]

Great article on Cashman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/sports/baseball/13chass.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

[thehoss]

The Yankees are going to keep us all holding our breath about Rivera & Posada the whole season folks. Although Sweeney from WFAN is saying there is still a possibility something gets worked out during ST.

He's also reporting his teammates still dislike Pavano. A lot. :lol

I'm going down to Spring Training - both Mets & Yankees - the 2nd full week in March. It should be a great time watching the players, gladhanding with a few folks. I can't wait.

very cool man :thumbsup i've always wanted to do this, but i never plan far enough ahead. maybe next year. about pavano, i don't doubt that. you know everyone will be pushing for hughes/igawa to suck up pavano's roster spot. i hope he does well, but i dont really see it happening. 2 words. kevin. brown.

[Trippin4136]

Yea it's going to be great although I'll mostly be hanging with the minor leaguers, and not the big leaguers. Even worse, since I'm going down there as a press member, autographs are out.

[thehoss]

Yea it's going to be great although I'll mostly be hanging with the minor leaguers, and not the big leaguers. Even worse, since I'm going down there as a press member, autographs are out.

daamn. thats cool though, you'll have a great time. tell andy phillips to keep fighting, dammit

[Trippin4136]

oh its definitely cool. this is what I'm going to be doing come spring time. I've got to meet and talk to some players. Moreso with the Mets than Yankees.

[thehoss]

oh its definitely cool. this is what I'm going to be doing come spring time. I've got to meet and talk to some players. Moreso with the Mets than Yankees.

speaking of the mets, there was a great article about their pitching staff in yesterdays nypost. a great read, if they have the archives available to read. imo, i think you're actually better off meeting the mets minor leaguers, over the yankees. the yankees have the "future is now" team really, its basically set in stone, besides the whole hughes ordeal. the mets though, have some very good oppertunities to see their future produce even more than they did in the post-season, staff-wise. i always wanted to be a sports journalist, but coaching got the best of me in the end. is it ever too late to start?

[Trippin4136]

Unfortunately (although its better for homerism sake), I'm going to be working with the Mets, much more than the Yankees. I did the Yankees (Clippers) last spring. This year its the Mets.

It's never too late to start, but you may have to get back to school for it. I just fell into a great situation for which I'm extremely fortunate.

btw - pop on WFAN, good stuff by Mike right now on Rivera.

"Give him a blank check and let Rivera fill in the numbers" - :lol

He's spot on though.

[thehoss]

Unfortunately (although its better for homerism sake), I'm going to be working with the Mets, much more than the Yankees. I did the Yankees (Clippers) last spring. This year its the Mets.

It's never too late to start, but you may have to get back to school for it. I just fell into a great situation for which I'm extremely fortunate.

btw - pop on WFAN, good stuff by Mike right now on Rivera.

listening now...

[thehoss]

good point, look at what they've given pavano to be injured and win a handful of games. how do you balk at the cash hes looking at?


about the writing, i know. i fell into the same situation with what im doing right now with coaching. im just afraid with journalism, the passion i still have for the game can't be fulfilled on a report..