New York Yankees

[Trippin4136]

Well early reports were it was his deltoid muscle, which is not in the rotator cuff.

[Crush086]

Jeez, I can't win can I?

You're killing me here!

[thestand]

Dr. Andrews for the elbow= bad shit.

Dr. Andrews for the shouder= Yankees being overly cautious (and rightfully so).

[smeritt]

Brendan, when school comes you do realize you are the enemy right?

[yankees26mlb]

http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/2008/08/23-new-photos-of-new-yankee-stadium.html

some amaazing shots of the new stadium, The jumbotron is constructed already...and its HUGE

[thom hudson]

damn that kid can run

(Justin christian)

[thom hudson]

another inning ending double play :BANG

[malarks26]

C'mon offense.....ugh.

[smeritt]

Derek Jeter is an automatic double play these days

[malarks26]

The whole team is on a decline the past few weeks. That 8 game win streak we had a little while back is now in the distance. The way we've been playing lately completely wiped out the games we made up on that stretch.

[thom hudson]

Derek Jeter is an automatic double play these days
i hate to say it, but lately, it's true.

i mean, he's great and all, but when he's bad, he's bad.
he needs to break out of this slump asap.
we should be rocking this pitcher.

...and gerald laird looks like he has downs syndrome.

[KnightofShadows]

i hate to say it, but lately, it's true.

i mean, he's great and all, but when he's bad, he's bad.
he needs to break out of this slump asap.
we should be rocking this pitcher.

...and gerald laird looks like he has downs syndrome.

You're just jealous the Yankees couldn't get them.

[thom hudson]

You're just jealous the Yankees couldn't get them.
he'd still look like he has the downs if we got him.

[thom hudson]

oh what the fucking fuck? how many double plays are we going to hit into tonight? :BANG

edit: and that base hit by X would have scored a run :BANG

edit 2 : three outs :BANG:BANG:BANG what a waste.

[thom hudson]

nice play by robbie

[crashintome202]

Dr. Andrews for the elbow= bad shit.

Dr. Andrews for the shouder= Yankees being overly cautious (and rightfully so).
hopefully so. shoulder problems can be much worse than elbow problems and TJ isnt nearly as big of a deal as it use to be...
i'd rather have a pitcher get tj surgery than have rotator cuff or major shoulder injuries

[thom hudson]

ugh...melky is brutal

[thom hudson]

well, there was our chance.

[scoobycc]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

fuckin yanks
fuckin yanks
fuckin yanks

edit: Jeter really sucks. Fuckin yanks.

[ProudestAnt]

:lol :lol

A-Rod...

[thom hudson]

:lol :lol

A-Rod...
:lol :lol

[hbktonyb]

This was it...we are not in the playoffs this year.

Time to turn to the JETS

[MistreatedLewis]

Yeah, this is not Jeter's year.

[thestand]

This was it...we are not in the playoffs this year.

Time to turn to the JETSI feel like you'll be making that same exact statement pretty quickly, then.

[yankees26mlb]

yeah its not looking too good right now...we're losing to the orioles and rangers

[KnightofShadows]

yeah its not looking too good right now...we're losing to the orioles and rangers

The Rangers are still a laughing-stock?

[yankees26mlb]

The Rangers are still a laughing-stock?

not at all, but there defintely a team we're supposed to beat.

[KnightofShadows]

not at all, but there defintely a team we're supposed to beat.

Oh. Okay.

[Crush086]

I'm not surprised to see this happening.

I figured the bats would have to be what it was to keep us alive this series.

Here's a bit of info for ya:

League Team Leaders in RBI/Runs Scored

1. Rangers - 622 RBI/608 Runs
2. Cubs - 571 RBI/604 Runs
3. Red Sox (boo) - 538 RBI/568 Runs
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9. Yankees - 529 RBI/549 Runs

Not to mention the Rangers also lead the majors in Hits, Doubles, Slugging, Batting Average, and 3rd (barely. .004 differential) in OBP. So, while we should have lit Matt Morrison (I think that was his name. Didn't catch most of it last night... Glad I didn't!) up like a Christmas tree, to think that they didn't have a chance to win is crazy.

And although things are looking grim, there's still a good chunk of baseball left, and we still have 2 series against both the Rays and the Sox. In fact, our last series of the year is against Boston, so let's not throw in the towel just yet.

[thom hudson]

Yeah, this is not Jeter's year.
:thumbsup

[GOB_]

League Team Leaders in RBI/Runs Scored

1. Rangers - 622 RBI/608 Runs


How can a team have more RBI than runs scored?

[Crush086]

How can a team have more RBI than runs scored?
You know, I'm not entirely sure.

Errors I'm guessing.

I don't think a guy that gets on base counts as a run (statistically), if it's done by error. But I'm pretty sure if someone drives him home (non-error), it counts as an RBI.

It's all I can think of.

[GOB_]

You know, I'm not entirely sure.

Errors I'm guessing.

I don't think a guy that gets on base counts as a run (statistically), if it's done by error. But I'm pretty sure if someone drives him home (non-error), it counts as an RBI.

It's all I can think of.

You can't. You can have more runs scored than RBI but not the other way around. The Rangers have scored 648 runs. :)

Edit: Here's an example. Men on first and third with no outs. The defense turns two but the run scores. The player who grounded into the double play does not get an RBI but the run still counts.

[Crush086]

You can't. You can have more runs scored than RBI but not the other way around. The Rangers have scored 648 runs. :)

Edit: Here's an example. Men on first and third with no outs. The defense turns two but the run scores. The player who grounded into the double play does not get an RBI but the run still counts.
I think you can.

Example: Guy reaches base on an error, say the pitcher overthrows the 1st baseman on the routine out. He counts on the scoreboard, but everything else is erased. His at-bat will read 0-1, any runners that cross the plate don't count toward his RBI total, and him crossing the plate, should it happen will not register as a statistical run. However, the man who brings him (the error man) across the plate will be rewarded an RBI, because no error ocurred on his scoring play.

[GOB_]

I think you can.

Example: Guy reaches base on an error, say the pitcher overthrows the 1st baseman on the routine out. He counts on the scoreboard, but everything else is erased. His at-bat will read 0-1, any runners that cross the plate don't count toward his RBI total, and him crossing the plate, should it happen will not register as a statistical run. However, the man who brings him (the error man) across the plate will be rewarded an RBI, because no error ocurred on his scoring play.

Runs will always count - that's why you have earned and unearned runs. A guy will not be credited with an RBI if the error assisted in a run scored. From the MLB rulebook...

10.04 RUNS BATTED IN
A run batted in is a statistic credited to a batter whose action at bat causes one or more runs to score, as set forth in this Rule 10.04.
(a) The official scorer shall credit the batter with a run batted in for every run that scores
(1) unaided by an error and as part of a play begun by the batter’s safe hit
(including the batter’s home run), sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or
fielder’s choice, unless Rule 10.04(b) applies;
(2) by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (because of a base on balls, an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball or for interference or obstruction); or
(3) when, before two are out, an error is made on a play on which a runner from third base ordinarily would score.
(b) The official scorer shall not credit a run batted in
(1) when the batter grounds into a force double play or a reverse-force double play; or
(2) when a fielder is charged with an error because the fielder muffs a throw at
first base that would have completed a force double play.
(c) The official scorer’s judgment must determine whether a run batted in shall be credited for a run that scores when a fielder holds the ball or throws to a wrong base. Ordinarily, if the runner keeps going, the official scorer should credit a run batted in; if the runner stops and takes off again when the runner notices the misplay, the official scorer should credit the run as scored on a fielder’s choice.

[Crush086]

Well, I'm feeling like an ass.

I realized I got the numbers mixed up... turns out trying to post stats and work doesn't mix so well. That, and I think the mental retardation is eating away at my brain. Either that, or the mold I ate the other day is starting to fuck with my mind.

1. Rangers - 648 Runs/622 RBI

You're right, I'm wrong...

Either way, the point was that the Rangers are the offensive juggernaut in the league, and losing to them doesn't surprise me.

[GOB_]

Well, I'm feeling like an ass.

I realized I got the numbers mixed up... turns out trying to post stats and work doesn't mix so well. That, and I think the mental retardation is eating away at my brain. Either that, or the mold I ate the other day is starting to fuck with my mind.

1. Rangers - 648 Runs/622 RBI

You're right, I'm wrong...

Either way, the point was that the Rangers are the offensive juggernaut in the league, and losing to them doesn't surprise me.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I knew what your point was. I'm just a geek for noticing your error. :lol

[Crush086]

Don't be so hard on yourself. I knew what your point was. I'm just a geek for noticing your error. :lol
Yeah, well you ruined it. It's bad enough the Rays are killing the fun in this season for the Yankee fans...

Now you have to do it in the Yankees thread?! :lol

I feel like someone missed the opportunity to toss this guy :twak out there...

[GOB_]

Yeah, well you ruined it. It's bad enough the Rays are killing the fun in this season for the Yankee fans...

Now you have to do it in the Yankees thread?! :lol

I feel like someone missed the opportunity to toss this guy :twak out there...

The Yankees are doing that by themselves. :lol

I'm actually a fan of both teams. I'm originally from upstate NY but moved to Tampa in Nov of '78 and have basically lived here ever since. But because of Steinbrenner's connection to Tampa, I was still able to follow the Yankees long before the Rays were even a consideration (they used to broadcast Yankee games on a local station down here). I'm a diehard fan of all the other Tampa teams but the Yankees are the only team from the NY area that I still feel attached to. I should say that up until this year, it didn't really matter that I was still a Yankees fan. It feels weird to say the least. :lol

[hbktonyb]

About Joba - I don't necessarily agree with this, but...if Joba ends up needing shoulder surgery, and you have to think it is a possibility with him on his way to see Dr. Andrews, did the Yankees make a mistake moving him from the bullpen? Did they rush him in the starters role, or not give him enough training to become a starter?

Hopefully we won't have to have this argument b/c Joba will not be hurt...very hopeful

[hbktonyb]

There is no way the Yankees are making the playoffs. 7 games out of the East, with 2 teams ahead of them. They are not making up that deficit.

Wildcard is still possible, but 3 games out w/ 4 teams ahead (2 of which will win the division).

48 games to play. Joba is probably done. And Sidney Ponson is the "stopper" tonight...The Yanks better kill this rookie tonight, or else it is over.

[Crush086]

The Yankees are doing that by themselves. :lol

This is true.

As far as Joba goes, there's no telling how this would have gone otherwise.

Perhaps he overdid it, and threw 1 too many fastballs.
Perhaps it would have happened getting loose in the bullpen.

Either way, hopefully it's nothing serious. I got a feeling that they're just being overly cautious, since he's turning into their potential ace, and he's so young.

[Rockhound18]

Things certainly are going to shit.

I won't count that out yet, but they certainly have made things way harder in the last few days. It's a damn good thing the Angels fell apart in that last game, or this would be even worse.

[Trippin4136]

They couldn't pound last night's rookie....:rolleyes

[jmudmbphan]

yanks lose tonight...were done.

[ProudestAnt]

yanks lose tonight...were done. How's that karma treating you, chuckles?

[jmudmbphan]

overall, much better than its treated you.

[thom hudson]

yanks are in trouble.

not just joba, but pettitte's last 2 starts have been bad...which is leading me to believe that maybe his "good" starts were flukes. and how long before mussina joins the party? although he has been our best starter this year...
the bats are way too streaky, and it seems like all runs being scored lately are too little, too late.

dropping the first 2 games on this road trip was terrible. now, once again, they've backed themselves into a corner where they now have to win the next 2 vs. texas, take 2/3 in anaheim, and 3/4 in minnesota. an uphill battle, indeed...i'm anxious to see how this plays out.

[MistreatedLewis]

yanks are in trouble.

not just joba, but pettitte's last 2 starts have been bad...which is leading me to believe that maybe his "good" starts were flukes. the bats are way too streaky, and it seems like all runs being scored lately are too little, too late.

dropping the first 2 games on this road trip was terrible. now, once again, they've backed themselves into a corner where they now have to win the next 2 vs. texas, take 2/3 in anaheim, and 3/4 in minnesota. an uphill battle, indeed...i'm anxious to see how this plays out.

I don't think they were flukes, I think that's just what Andy is at this point in his career. He'll give you some very good ones and some pretty bad ones.

[Crush086]

Ponson's up tonight. Against a guy with a 10+ ERA.

If we don't do damage tonight I'll be very very disappointed.

Rays are losing as we speak, fyi.

[dmb8]

Man, the last few nights have been tuff to swallow. Watched Monday's game from home and was confident in the start, but lost in the end. Tuesday just tracked it from the net @ work and was seriously let down. Bases juiced w/ Jeter.......and nothing came from it. Then it's 8-2 :confused.. sexson's slam gave me hope, but it was too late.

Not very confident w/ Ponson, however he did do well against the Angels last Friday so who knows. It's Do or Die , and I hope the Yanks come out pissed off and short circuit that scoreboard :thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Andy was so upset after yesterday's game. I think that he will have all strong starts from now until September...Bold statement, lets see if I'm right.

[hbktonyb]

For the arod haters...Time to start looking elsewhere to place blame:

Derek Jeter:
2005: .309 avg, .389 obp, 14 sb's, 77 bb's, 294 tb's, 70 rbi's, 19 hr's, 202 hits, 122 runs
2006: .343 avg, .417 obp, 34 sb's, 69 bb's, 301 tb's, 97 rbi's, 14 hr's, 214 hits, 118 runs
2007: .322 avg, .388 obp, 15 sb's, 56 bb's, 289 tb's, 73 rbi's, 12 hr's, 206 hits, 102 runs

2008: .279 avg (well below), .342 obp (well below), 6 sb's (below), 35 bb's (slightly below), 166 tb's (well below), 51 rbi's (below), 6 hr's (slightly below), 119 hits (well below), 63 runs (well below)

Yikes...

[hbktonyb]

^Also, when I saw 'below', I know there is 2 months to go, I'm just saying he is projected to be well below where he ended up in the previous 3 years...

[MistreatedLewis]

For the arod haters...Time to start looking elsewhere to place blame:

Derek Jeter:
2005: .309 avg, .389 obp, 14 sb's, 77 bb's, 294 tb's, 70 rbi's, 19 hr's, 202 hits, 122 runs
2006: .343 avg, .417 obp, 34 sb's, 69 bb's, 301 tb's, 97 rbi's, 14 hr's, 214 hits, 118 runs
2007: .322 avg, .388 obp, 15 sb's, 56 bb's, 289 tb's, 73 rbi's, 12 hr's, 206 hits, 102 runs

2008: .279 avg (well below), .342 obp (well below), 6 sb's (below), 35 bb's (slightly below), 166 tb's (well below), 51 rbi's (below), 6 hr's (slightly below), 119 hits (well below), 63 runs (well below)

Yikes...

Jeter is probably a bigger disappointment this year than A-Rod :thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Jeter is probably a bigger disappointment this year than A-Rod :thumbsup

Yup...especially since Arod is on pace for a batting title.

I can't believe how bad Jeter has played this year. And the above stats don't even mention that he has hit into 17 double plays this year, more than any other Yankee.

[Trippin4136]

Oh no doubt. Jeter's been down right brutal for a large part of this season.

He's a huge catalyst to the offense and his struggles are certainly effecting the team. However, he's Derek Jeter. The media and the fans simply won't attack him like they would A-Rod. It's that simple.

Personally, I think A-Rod jinxed him when in Spring Training, he said that Derek looked like he had an MVP season coming this year. :lol :rolleyes

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, I remember that. I think he said it on Mike & The Mad Dog.

He also said that he and Jeter are back to being good friends again. Another reason for the jinx!

[hbktonyb]

Top of the 9th, down 7-4...Rays tie it.

Great

[hbktonyb]

walk - off...10-7 Tampa wins...

[devilandthelord]

Sorry guys. No hatin', just thought you should know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3522585

[hbktonyb]

Update on Joba - Rotater Cuff tendinitis...15 day DL

uhh ohh...

He's gonna need surgery

[ProudestAnt]

:lol How about that Karstens? You guys couldn't use his arm about now, could you? :lol

[ProudestAnt]

That play right there is the direction your team is going right now...

[ProudestAnt]

And they steal it right back...

[Crush086]

Update on Joba - Rotater Cuff tendinitis...15 day DL

uhh ohh...

He's gonna need surgery
Source? I haven't heard anything about surgery. I heard it's the same problem Jorge had, but I don't think the severity is the same.

Assuming he just misses a small chunk of time and needs no surgery, this may be a blessing in disguise. Ian Kennedy is to make his "valiant" return in his absence. So, perhaps he'll show he deserves a spot in the starting rotation.

Yankees are winning too. :thumbsup

[smeritt]

And Sid gives on right back. God damn it

[smeritt]

:lol How about that Karstens? You guys couldn't use his arm about now, could you? :lolNope. Kennedy is coming back and Hughes is close. Guise and Rasner are both still decent out of the pen and spot starting. And I hate to say it but Carol Pavano might actually play a significant role this year, if he doesn't sneeze to hard.

[devilandthelord]

Question:

Right now Xavier Nady is batting .335 overall this season, 15 points higher than Milton Bradley, the next highest guy in the AL.
If he finishes the season with a higher BA than anybody else in the AL is he elgible for the batting title?

[smeritt]

Question:

Right now Xavier Nady is batting .335 overall this season, 15 points higher than Milton Bradley, the next highest guy in the AL.
If he finishes the season with a higher BA than anybody else in the AL is he elgible for the batting title?
No sir didn't have enough at bats in the NL before being traded

[Trippin4136]

No surgery has been prescribed for Joba, and Andrews is quoted as saying it will not be a long-term injury.

Sounds positive so far, though I wouldn't expect to see him before September 1.

[smeritt]

No surgery has been prescribed for Joba, and Andrews is quoted as saying it will not be a long-term injury.

Sounds positive so far, though I wouldn't expect to see him before September 1.I've heard rumors of him being moved back to the bullpen for the rest of the year. Any truth to this? And if so your thoughts?

[devilandthelord]

No sir didn't have enough at bats in the NL before being traded

Really?
Thats fucked up.
He's on pace for over 500 at-bats but they won't give him a batting title. :shrug

[Trippin4136]

I've heard rumors of him being moved back to the bullpen for the rest of the year. Any truth to this? And if so your thoughts?

Well I know I heard that on the ESPN broadcast, but I haven't seen that anywhere else.

I don't think they will move him back to the bullpen, but the more I think about it, the more I think he'll eventually be shut down for the season.

[hbktonyb]

As soon as I hear shoulder and rotater cuff, I immediately think it is trouble. Hopefully it isn't!

I'm just praying this isn't what happens: Joba shuts it down for the season...He'll come back next year after going through some arm strengthening program, only to have problems again mid-year...He will finally opt for a surgery. I've seen this scenario happen a few times before (Jorge the latest).

[Trippin4136]

Well tendonitis is technically very fine, small tears in your tendons....so it's not 100% good news.

Remember, as you said, Posada started off with tendonitis.

[thom hudson]

I've heard rumors of him being moved back to the bullpen for the rest of the year. Any truth to this? And if so your thoughts?
i heard that also. dumbest thing they can do.

[devilandthelord]

So now that Joba's down, who finishes with a better record this year?

Y'all or the Mets?

[jmudmbphan]

:lol How about that Karstens? You guys couldn't use his arm about now, could you? :lol

when did you become so obnoxious?

[MistreatedLewis]

So now that Joba's down, who finishes with a better record this year?

Y'all or the Mets?

They all. They still have Mariano.

We have Wagner on the DL and um, uh, to pitch the 7-9.

[thom hudson]

:lol How about that Karstens? You guys couldn't use his arm about now, could you? :lol
:lol :lol wow you're really a cunt! :lol :lol

[stayorleave83]

It goes to show you that even if you limit a pitcher's pitch counts, he can still hurt himself.

[smeritt]

Thats what happens when you put that much stress on your arm. Throwing a baseball is not the natural motion of your arm and when your throwing upwards of 100 mph and then messing with it even more with two types of curveballs you take that risk. Baseball puts alot of wear and tear on your body even as young as Joba

[stayorleave83]

Thats what happens when you put that much stress on your arm. Throwing a baseball is not the natural motion of your arm and when your throwing upwards of 100 mph and then messing with it even more with two types of curveballs you take that risk. Baseball puts alot of wear and tear on your body even as young as Joba

Agreed. But then what are you supposed to do? He has to take the chance of throwing 120+ innings at some point in his career.

[Crush086]

Agreed. But then what are you supposed to do? He has to take the chance of throwing 120+ innings at some point in his career.
It's impossible to gauge that pitch count caused the injury.

There's a plethora of things that may have caused it.

[hbktonyb]

The season can be saved...win tonight, 2 out of 3 vs. angels, 2 out of 3 vs. Twins...

[Crush086]

And there's still plenty of interdivision games left against both the Sox and Rays.

[crashintome202]

imo they should just shut joba down. we dont need another posada

[thom hudson]

nice win. :thumbsup

[spoot388]

very nice


moose was on tonight. isn't his contract up at the end of the season? if it is, im thinking he might get a year or two more after the way he pitched this season.

[spoot388]

HUGHES UPDATE


Phil Hughes started tonight in AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre against Pawtucket and pitched 4.2 innings (ND) allowing 1 ER on 3 hits with 2 BBs and 2 Ks. He will likely make 1-2 more starts before a decision is made about calling him up to NY.

[dmb8]

nice win. :thumbsup


" Moose" was great tonight. Unexpected Jeter homerun, some more moose....a few more runs.....shut out TX @ home :thumbsup

Combine that w/ a great DMB set tonight I'm a happy camper!!

[hbktonyb]

wow...MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE.

Yankee MVP
World savior
My hero

[Crush086]

I think Mike would be getting screwed if he didn't get an extension of some kind.

[thom hudson]

Moose is definitely up there for Yanks MVP this season, along with Molina and Abreu.

[milo420dmb]

^^ yeah i think Moose should be MVP and re-newedr... he deserves it after the way he has pitched so far this season.

On another note, Arod is stinking up the place. he didn't get a hit in the Ranger's series

[hbktonyb]

Moose should get a statue for the front of Yankee stadium, b/c if not for him we would be a .500 baseball team

[thom hudson]

On another note, Arod is stinking up the place. he didn't get a hit in the Ranger's series
Yeah he looks bad up there.

[Crush086]

The whole offense was pretty crappy that series. I'll take a split though. And we're back at 3 games behind the Sox.

We go to Anaheim next series.
Boston go to Chicago to play the White Sox.
Rays against the Mariners, in Seattle.

[milo420dmb]

yeah Arod has been swinging at some terrible pitches... he hsa guy a 3rd one out last night, and he strikes out swinging on a pitch 3 feet outside... he is guessing up there it seems.

[Crush086]

This next series could be trouble.

Sox play the Sox, so there's potential for them to lose 1 or more. But we have to go to Anaheim, without Joba, and with Mike having just pitched...

[milo420dmb]

good thing about this series is that the Angels don't play as well at home as they do on the road, i think at least.

i know they have a tremendous road record...if we can steal a win tonight and get the series off on the right foot, that would be huge...

what is the pitching match up tonight?

Lackey vs. Giese(sp?)?

[Crush086]

Kennedy vs. Weaver

[milo420dmb]

^^ ahh, i was way off....

i interested to see how Kennedy does going against the best team in the AL, tough team to make him face.

[Crush086]

Hopefully the offense can bail him out if he gets into trouble.

[crashintome202]

i dont think kennedys first start back should be in anaheim

[milo420dmb]

^^ neither do it...

[Trippin4136]

3-for-4, HR, 2 RBI, SB

Probably Jeter's finest performance of the season coming off his 2-for-4 on Wednesday night.

They desperately need him to go off for like a .400 average this month.

[milo420dmb]

3-for-4, HR, 2 RBI, SB

Probably Jeter's finest performance of the season coming off his 2-for-4 on Wednesday night.

They desperately need him to go off for like a .400 average this month.

yes they do, Damon has been consistent this year and is on a little hot streak right now, as well as Abreu (he is almost up to .300 for the year)... if we can get any kind of production from Arod and Giambi then we can get right back into the thick of the hunt for the AL East.

on another note, i think Nady was one of the best pickups at the trade deadline by the Yanks in a long time.... he is a tremendous hitter and will hit the ball to all parts of the field.

[Trippin4136]

Agreed. So far the best deadline deal since David Justice...though it'll be tough for him to eclipse what Justice did for that 2000 team.

[hbktonyb]

Late night tonight...Let's go Ian

[Crush086]

Don't know if anyone knows, but Joba's supposed to start his throwing program next week, and is slated to return before September.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah I just read that. Pretty pumped...They still won't give us the results of his MRI

[Crush086]

That's nice to see. Kennedy's spent all that time in the minors and is still killing batters with that whopping 90mph fastball.

[Crush086]

Wow. Weaver intentionally walks A-Rod to load the bases and face.... Giambi??

[Crush086]

You cannot be fucking serious. I really hope he's just shaking the big league cobwebs off or something.

His slider wasn't looking too great, his fastball topped out at 90, and here's his line for the night.

2 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 1 K.

And that's excluding the 5 batters he faced in the 5th, which all reached base. Rasner inherited 2 runners, so his ER stands to increase before the inning is over.

[crashintome202]

starting him in LA wasnt a good move imo. you have to start him at home or against a crappy team on the road

[bartender_man]

starting him in LA wasnt a good move imo. you have to start him at home or against a crappy team on the road


Agreed.

[hbktonyb]

I hope we dump this waste of a life Kennedy, and soon. The best we could hope for is one win on Sunday. Can't win today w/ the kid pitching

[smeritt]

Giese vs. Lackey. This series was bound for doom

[hbktonyb]

This season is bound for doom :(

[crashintome202]

I hope we dump this waste of a life Kennedy, and soon. The best we could hope for is one win on Sunday. Can't win today w/ the kid pitching
theres no point in it. he doesnt have much value but he could still regain his poise and become a solid pitcher

[thom hudson]

horrible pitching performance last night.

we need to win today. big time.

[MistreatedLewis]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092008/sports/yankees/angel_trouble_123657.htm

Kennedy doesn't think his pitching is a problem.

Do Yankees fans think this guy sucks?

[crashintome202]

someone should slap him... wish we had larry bowa. he'd bend him over and give him hell

[thom hudson]

couple things about kennedy:

1. it was wrong to have him make his first start back in anaheim
2. i think he does have good stuff, but is still immature on the mound
3. i wanted to punch him in the neck last night

[smeritt]

Go Dan Giese

[thom hudson]

a-bomb

EDIT: giambeast

[MistreatedLewis]

An A-Bomb from A-Rod and The Giambino goes deep, followed by a Nadir from Nady.

[justinandimcool]

Wow, I feel really bad for Geise. Fucking solid start.

[Crush086]

Okay, so I'm pretty sure nobody expected Giese to do such a good job against the Angels.

I also liked watching Ramirez come out and not get a single out. Nothing beats seeing a line of 0.0 IP, 4 ER.

I'm really glad that 12 of our remaining games are against the Rays and Sox.

[thom hudson]

if you can say anything positive about today, it's that Giese has the ability to shut down a great team like the Angels.
Unfortunately, our bullpen shat the bed.

I think it's a wrap for us. :(

[DmBand801]

a-bomb

EDIT: giambeast

I love the edit, you were able to stick giambi's homer in there :lol

[Crush086]

Well, after the Angels the schedule eases up a bit. We play Minnesota, Kansas City, Toronto, Baltimore and Boston respectively.

After the White Sox, the Red Sox play Texas (remember, they're the highest scoring offense in the league), and then pretty much go interdivision for the rest of the month.

So, even though things are still looking grim now, Hughes will be up again soon, and Joba should be back before the end of August. I've heard that Hughes has put some heat on his fastball, so I'm really looking forward to him making his return.

Either way, if we can keep it the Wild Card close by the end of August, we should still be in good shape to take it.

I think it'll take a New York Mets like collapse in order for the Rays to not end up playing in October.

[hbktonyb]

I'm about ready to pack it in for the summer...

[Trippin4136]

The lack of clutch hitting is really just pathetic.

They are top 5 in pretty much every major offensive category, yet are 11th out of 14 American League teams in batting average w/ RISP.

That says it all.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, and its not only about the hits...it is the lack of getting runs in. 2nd and 3rd no out, can't get a run in. Lead off double, advance to third on a bunt...can't get the run in.

[MistreatedLewis]

I guess there is still Angels pwnage.

[MistreatedLewis]

Yeah, and its not only about the hits...it is the lack of getting runs in. 2nd and 3rd no out, can't get a run in. Lead off double, advance to third on a bunt...can't get the run in.

psssst. That's what Jon meant by "clutch" and "RISP" ;)

[devilandthelord]

I had Sportscenter on in the background yesterday and one of the anchors said that the Yankees went 22 minutes without recording an out yesterday.
Ouch.

[hbktonyb]

psssst. That's what Jon meant by "clutch" and "RISP" ;)

Yeah I know, but he mentioned batting average. Situations like that doesn't effect avg ;)

Their % of getting runners on 3rd in with less than 2 outs has to be the worst in the league.

[crashintome202]

Yeah, and its not only about the hits...it is the lack of getting runs in. 2nd and 3rd no out, can't get a run in. Lead off double, advance to third on a bunt...can't get the run in.
this is part of the problem. giving the other team outs

[smeritt]

Can't we win one game that we are supposed to. As bad as yesterday was we should have won. And again today. When the Sox lose we HAVE to win. This is just getting harder and harder to bare

[Rockhound18]

I think were getting close to being done. :shrug

[Crush086]

You know, I'm really fucking tired of Ian Kennedy. I know last week I was giving him credit and hoping he fared well enough to at least keep a game close, but he can go fuck himself now.

This guy's fucking attitude makes me sick. His crappy attitude when he got optioned back earlier this year was one thing. But hey, he's young, and confident. Cool.

So, everyone remembers that disaster clusterfuck of a performance the other night, right? Well, he says he's fixed what's wrong (yeah right), and didn't even care that he's screwing the Yankees out of the playoffs.

I mean, sure it's the Angels, and yeah they're the best team in baseball, but freaking Ponson and Rasner looked like ace starters against them. If they can do that, even Kennedy should be able to go more than 2 damn innings. Kyle Farnsworth probably could've done a better job starting than this kid.

His attitude is the main thing that gets me. Pettitte got lit up the other night and he was pissed. Reasonable. Kennedy gets done worse, and he casts it aside like it's nothing at all. "Not real upset"... I'm done with this kid.

Trade him for whoever, release him, I don't care. Until he changes his attitude, I don't want to see him in pinstripes.

Edit: Through my rant, I forgot to get to what I was originally going to say. Since the Sox lost two games, we're still only 4 games out.

[hbktonyb]

^I agree. I hate Ian Kennedy. He needs to shut his mouth

[spoot388]

and to think the yankees' front office thought he was going to be the best of the 3!

[ProudestAnt]

Push to the end:

Boston remaining games:
White Sox
Texas x3
Toronto x3
Baltimore x3
Toronto x3
Yankees x3
White Sox x3
Baltimore x3
Texas x3
Tampa Bay x3
Toronto x3
Tampa Bay x3
Toronto x3
Cleveland x4
Yankees x3

Yankees remaining games:
Minnesota x3
Kansas City x3
Toronto x3
Baltimore x3
Boston x3
Toronto x3
Detroit
Tampa Bay x3
Seattle x3
Angels x3
Tampa Bay x3
White Sox x4
Baltimore x3
Toronto x3
Boston x3

We have 12 against Toronto, 4 against the White Sox, 4 against Cleveland, 6 against Texas (who can't keep up their pace forever), and the rest of our schedule is between you and the Rays.

You have 6 against KC and Seattle, but 6 more against the Angels and Minnesota and 4 against the White Sox. We share the number of games against Toronto and Baltimore, then it's all Rays and us down the stretch.

Here's how I see things shaking out:
Boston:
9-3 against Toronto
4-2 against Baltimore
2-2 against Chicago
3-1 against Cleveland
4-2 against Texas
7-5 against Yankees and Tampa
29-15 down the stretch

Yankees
4-2 against KC and Seattle
3-3 against Minnesota and Angels
3-2 against Chicago and Detroit
10-5 against Baltimore and Toronto
8-4 against Tampa and Boston
28-16 down the stretch

A game here and there, but I think that's roughly how things will shake out. All I know is the race at the end will be for the WC slot...

[smeritt]

I gotta think we got 5-1 against KC and Seattle and 4-2 against Minnesota and LAA, plus a 5-1 against Chicago and Detroit. Right on with The last two though. putting us at 32-12 down the stretch. Just my hopeful thinking

[Crush086]

Kennedy has been optioned back down to AAA if anyone didn't know. Rasner is taking his place again.

[jmudmbphan]

well boys our season is probably done.

[hbktonyb]

Pick your poison...kennedy or rasner. Either is an auto-loss.

I think we need to go 32-12 to make the playoffs. Ain't gonna happen.

[MistreatedLewis]

Pick your poison...kennedy or rasner. Either is an auto-loss.

I think we need to go 32-12 to make the playoffs. Ain't gonna happen.

How bout Karstens?

[Trippin4136]

10 games v. the Angels in the second half was just a cruel, cruel move by the scheduling masters.

[MistreatedLewis]

10 games v. the Angels in the second half was just a cruel, cruel move by the scheduling masters.

bwahahahahahahaha

:)

[Trippin4136]

How bout Karstens?

I firmly believe Karstens head was no longer sitting on his shoulders correctly in the Yankee system. He sensed the ceiling and really couldn't overcome it.

He's not the most talented of pitchers, but for him, knowing that he could be nothing more than a #5 at best on the Yankees staff really screwed with his head.

Going to Pittsburgh with an opportunity to remain in rotation that would given him loads of opportunity put him back on a total positive track and thus has him pitching a lot better.

[Crush086]

Pick your poison...kennedy or rasner. Either is an auto-loss.

I think we need to go 32-12 to make the playoffs. Ain't gonna happen.
But even Rasner can give you a Quality Start every now and then.

Seems like Kennedy is moving backwards here. I was really hoping for a Francisco Liriano-ish performance.

[smeritt]

We still have to remember the Rays have never played in Yankee stadium in September with a chance to win the AL East. This is much bigger than being the spoiler like they always have. If they can beat Boston and New York in September they will be a real threat.

[Trippin4136]

^^^

Unfortunately, IMO, that won't mean shit if the Yankees aren't in it.

The Stadium isn't what created the intimidation, it was that the Yankees always seemed unbeatable in big, pressure games.

That intimidation is currently no where to be found. The Yankees, as they stand now, are toothless.

[hbktonyb]

^Yep.

Its a shame that last yr of Yankee stadium they fall apart.

If Torre was here, we're in the playoffs.

[spoot388]

I think with all the mysterious things that have happened in Yankee Stadium, we can't rule out them making a comeback to make the playoffs. I don't see the ghosts going out without a bang.

[hbktonyb]

For some reason the ghosts left during the '03 series. I think the Yankees utilized them all during the ALCS that year.

[Trippin4136]

^Yep.

Its a shame that last yr of Yankee stadium they fall apart.

If Torre was here, we're in the playoffs.

Disagree. Torre or no Torre, the injuries have just ravaged this team to the point of not being able to consistently compete. Plus, the lack of hitting w/ RISP has been a problem for years now.

[Lcsulla]

Ghosts left when we stopped alcohol sales in the bleachers in 01. They're at Stans now.

Torre couldn't get us through this. His 'luck' (coincidentally I am sure) left when Zim did after the '03 ALCS.

[crashintome202]

and to think the yankees' front office thought he was going to be the best of the 3!
he was the most polished and maybe the most ready at the time. be the best- no way. he had a middle of the rotation ceiling whereas joba and hughes have ace potential.

[Lcsulla]

I am starting to think Hughes might have Pavano potential.

[crashintome202]

I am starting to think Hughes might have Pavano potential.
some of his injuries have been kinda fluky and weird like the popped hammy last year. he's had alot of bad luck. if he misses this much time next year then i'd really worry

[Lcsulla]

I hear that about Prior and Wood too. :)

[Crush086]

I am starting to think Hughes might have Pavano potential.
I don't think anyone will ever have Pavano potential. That guy is probably the biggest waste of roster space (yes, even in the minors) I've ever seen.

Mark Prior potential maybe, but certainly not Pavano.

I think Hughes is going to do some good things when he finally returns. Of course, perhaps I should retract that, because it was also me who hoped that Kennedy would pull a decent start out of his ass. Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong about that one...

[hbktonyb]

Will be interesting to see if we actually get a win during this next series. Anything short of 3 wins is a disappointment

[Lcsulla]

I don't think anyone will ever have Pavano potential. That guy is probably the biggest waste of roster space (yes, even in the minors) I've ever seen.


Bam Bam Meulens is jumping up and down waving to you. ;)

[ProudestAnt]

Bam Bam Meulens is jumping up and down waving to you. ;) He doesn't know who that is...

[Lcsulla]

Okay, Brien Taylor is jumping up and down too - probably not waving though. :lol

[ProudestAnt]

Okay, Brien Taylor is jumping up and down too - probably not waving though. :lol
:lol Well played...

[hbktonyb]

Sammy Miletello called, he wants his name shouted out as well

[Crush086]

He doesn't know who that is...
This is true.
Okay, Brien Taylor is jumping up and down too - probably not waving though. :lol
I stand corrected, even though Pavano's worthlessness changes none. :lol

[crashintome202]

I don't think anyone will ever have Pavano potential. That guy is probably the biggest waste of roster space (yes, even in the minors) I've ever seen.

Mark Prior potential maybe, but certainly not Pavano.

I think Hughes is going to do some good things when he finally returns. Of course, perhaps I should retract that, because it was also me who hoped that Kennedy would pull a decent start out of his ass. Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong about that one...
kennedy seems to be mental. i dont know what the hell is wrong with him if he didnt think his last outing wasnt horrible.

brien taylor... randy johnson with a change. wish we still had him:BANG

[malarks26]

We need to unload Kennedy in the off-season. Only problem is, his trade value is extremely low right now.

[MistreatedLewis]

We need to unload Kennedy in the off-season. Only problem is, his trade value is extremely low right now.

Don't even think about offering Melky and Kennedy for Santana.

[scrock25]

Don't even think about offering Melky and Kennedy for Santana.

Dude srsly, unreal.

[malarks26]

Dude srsly, unreal.

I don't even respond to his comments anymore.

[hbktonyb]

I don't even want to think of that Santana non-deal for us...

[MistreatedLewis]

I don't even respond to his comments anymore.

What a loss for me.

[MistreatedLewis]

I don't even want to think of that Santana non-deal for us...

Meh. I doubt you could really have used his 2.85 era, 161 IP, and 1.16 WHIP.

[malarks26]

Besides, they wanted Hughes, Melky and Kennedy for Santana.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, probably not worth it. Can't sacrifice 2 pitchers with zero wins from April - August, and a dude batting 240.

Good job Cash

[crashintome202]

Yeah, probably not worth it. Can't sacrifice 2 pitchers with zero wins from April - August, and a dude batting 240.

Good job Cash
they didnt want to trade the future. of course this year its going to look like a total loss now. in a few years that could be much different. i wanted to deal hughes and melky for johan but throwing in kennedy was too much. hell the mets gave up much less than that.

[MistreatedLewis]

they didnt want to trade the future. of course this year its going to look like a total loss now. in a few years that could be much different. i wanted to deal hughes and melky for johan but throwing in kennedy was too much. hell the mets gave up much less than that.

Actually, I think so far this year, Carlos Gomez has outperformed any combination of Hughes, Kennedy, and Melky. :lol

Not really, since Melky has been better, but the fact that it's even close is kind of scary.

[malarks26]

Yeah, probably not worth it. Can't sacrifice 2 pitchers with zero wins from April - August, and a dude batting 240.

Good job Cash

Obviously no one would have thought that was going to be the case back then.

[smeritt]

Evan Longoria out with a fractured wrist. THe ghosts are back

[Trippin4136]

brien taylor... randy johnson with a change. wish we still had him:BANG

:ugh Brien Taylor? Is that sarcasm?

The guy destroyed his shoulder in a bar fight and never made it out of the minors, and hasn't pitched in 8 years....

[john baptiste]

Actually, I think so far this year, Carlos Gomez has outperformed any combination of Hughes, Kennedy, and Melky. :lol

Not really, since Melky has been better, but the fact that it's even close is kind of scary.
you haven't watched gomez in a couple months?

[crashintome202]

:ugh Brien Taylor? Is that sarcasm?

The guy destroyed his shoulder in a bar fight and never made it out of the minors, and hasn't pitched in 8 years....
i worded it wrongly. i meant "i wish he stayed healthy (sane) long enough to make it to new york"

[crashintome202]

you haven't watched gomez in a couple months?
250/284/349

250/305/349

pretty damn close. gomez has stolen alot more bases but both are having pretty horrid seasons

[john baptiste]

250/284/349

250/305/349

pretty damn close. gomez has stolen alot more bases but both are having pretty horrid seasons
not only do i not know what those numbers mean, but i'm assuming they aren't numbers for the three players ML said gomez was outperforming.

[crashintome202]

not only do i not know what those numbers mean, but i'm assuming they aren't numbers for the three players ML said gomez was outperforming.
you've never seen stats posted like that?:ugh:ugh:ugh:ugh
its average, obp, slg.

top is gomez, bottom is melky

[john baptiste]

gomez has been worthless the last three months (even more so than the first two months).

look under "months"

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=gomezca01&year=2008

[Trippin4136]

The numbers between Gomez and Melky this year are pretty similar aside from steals...

[john baptiste]

The numbers between Gomez and Melky this year are pretty similar aside from steals...
sure, and if all you look at are those numbers, you don't see the whole picture.

gomez was putting up an OBP under .300 from the leadoff spot for 9/10 of this season. it's easy to bury a .300 OBP in the 7/8/9 hole.

not to mention (again) that gomez was compared to hughes/kennedy/melky. not melky.

[Trippin4136]

Yea, but an OBP under .300 in the 7/8/9 hole is not as detrimental as your lead off hitter. That doesn't help Gomez's case.

And for the record, I love Gomez.

[john baptiste]

Yea, but an OBP under .300 in the 7/8/9 hole is not as detrimental as your lead off hitter. That doesn't help Gomez's case.

And for the record, I love Gomez.
there's no "but" involved. that was my point.

ok. if any of you would have looked at gomez's last few months, you'd see that i'm saying he ISN'T better than any combination of those guys. that's why when ML said he has outperformed any combination, i asked if he had watched any of Gomez the last few months.

[Trippin4136]

Melky has had a worse season in the sense that he is no longer a rookie by any stretch despite similar numbers.

[smeritt]

Let's see how we do. Runner on third nobody out. Do the yankees dare score?

[hbktonyb]

Exactly what I was thinking...

Pop out, double play. No runs. Unreal

[Trippin4136]

Hey Sour Melky!! Good work!

[smeritt]

What a Joke. Melky is more of an exact out than Molina is

[scoobycc]

:lol:lol

[smeritt]

Adam Everett? Really?

[MistreatedLewis]

there's no "but" involved. that was my point.

ok. if any of you would have looked at gomez's last few months, you'd see that i'm saying he ISN'T better than any combination of those guys. that's why when ML said he has outperformed any combination, i asked if he had watched any of Gomez the last few months.

I've "watched" Ian Kennedy and Hughes the last few months.

[john baptiste]

I've "watched" Ian Kennedy and Hughes the last few months.
bbbbbbut the potential!!!1one

[hbktonyb]

Calzone...quality 5 innings...

[thom hudson]

wow the yankees really suck

[MistreatedLewis]

Calzone...quality 5 innings...

He's been really good. :thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

Minnesota. Perfect execution to score that run. That's baseball....The yanks should use that as an example.

[MistreatedLewis]

It's amazing how much better Cano always is in the second half. What's his deal?

[hbktonyb]

I think it's now officially a mental thing w/ Cano. He talked all spring training about getting off to a hot start, and he batted over .400 in spring training. When the season starts he thinks to himself, "I usually struggle in the beginning of the year, I can't do it again this year". Then he shits the bed.

Or maybe I've been watching too much Dexter.

[MistreatedLewis]

I think it's now officially a mental thing w/ Cano. He talked all spring training about getting off to a hot start, and he batted over .400 in spring training. When the season starts he thinks to himself, "I usually struggle in the beginning of the year, I can't do it again this year". Then he shits the bed.

Or maybe I've been watching too much Dexter.

I'm sure you're right. It isn't like he has lots more baseball talent later in the year than he does early. I don't think talent works like that!

[MistreatedLewis]

This is a helluva game from Calzone.

[hbktonyb]

Can't ask for anything more from him. I am really dumbfounded by this team this yr.

[ProudestAnt]

With Longoria and Crawford out indefinitely, does this open the door for the Sox/Yanks to take the division/wc?

[john baptiste]

With Longoria and Crawford out indefinitely, does this open the door for the Sox/Yanks to take the division/wc?
longoria is supposed to be out for the min.

[ProudestAnt]

longoria is supposed to be out for the min. A fractured wrist? No way he's the same when he comes back, if at all...

[john baptiste]

A fractured wrist? No way he's the same when he comes back, if at all...
just telling you what i've read. you said he's out indefinitely, and i read that he's expected to only miss the minimum.

http://www.thomasgeorge.com/baseball/profile.cfm?playerId=4629

[hbktonyb]

I think the Sox will win the division. As for us...I think its too little too late

[yankees26mlb]

well 9/21/08 is lookin to be that special day after all...the last game

[ProudestAnt]

just telling you what i've read. you said he's out indefinitely, and i read that he's expected to only miss the minimum.

http://www.thomasgeorge.com/baseball/profile.cfm?playerId=4629 And I counter with:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=246660&id=4412

[thom hudson]

With Longoria and Crawford out indefinitely, does this open the door for the Sox/Yanks to take the division/wc?
not with the way the yanks have been looking as of late...

[ProudestAnt]

Did Ponson start tonight?

[john baptiste]

Did Ponson start tonight?
ya..

[john baptiste]

And I counter with:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=246660&id=4412
well there ya go.

more info = better

[ProudestAnt]

ya.. Wow, you can't ask for much more than what the Yanks got out of their starters the last two days. And with Nathan coming in, the Yanks are looking to be in huge trouble...

[spoot388]

the rest of this season is going to be nuts for everybody in the AL East. i dunno what the hell is gonna happen.

[ProudestAnt]

Ouch. Span's a speedy fucker. I watched him a lot this year in Rochester...

[smeritt]

Good thing Michael Phelps is on. I won't have to completely slit my wrists

[john baptiste]

Ouch. Span's a speedy fucker. I watched him a lot this year in Rochester...
is it on TV?

[ProudestAnt]

is it on TV? I get Extra Innings...

[UNLTrpt]

its so quiet in here :lol

[john baptiste]

I get Extra Innings...
<--- jealous

[smeritt]

I was busy watching someone living up to their potential. Sorry

[ProudestAnt]

<--- jealous It's one of the few things the girlfriend lets me treat myself to...

[UNLTrpt]

I was busy watching someone living up to their potential. Sorry

funny. I thought you would have been used to it after the last couple of years.

[smeritt]

How do you expand the zone as an ump in the 9th inning?

[ProudestAnt]

How do you expand the zone as an ump in the 9th inning? He's doing it so he can go home. He's tired of watching your little league team embarrass themselves...

[john baptiste]

It's one of the few things the girlfriend lets me treat myself to...
i really should have thought it through...i'd much rather have extra innings over the ps3. blu-ray is nice though.

have you started school yet? my wife's first day was today. i'm making the sub-app rounds tomorrow.

[ProudestAnt]

i really should have thought it through...i'd much rather have extra innings over the ps3. blu-ray is nice though.

have you started school yet? my wife's first day was today. i'm making the sub-app rounds tomorrow. Nah, we start after Labor Day. Football practice started though...

[smeritt]

He's doing it so he can go home. He's tired of watching your little league team embarrass themselves...Your team isn't exactly the All Star Team . Especially when Buccholz still looks like a chump every time out.

[john baptiste]

Nah, we start after Labor Day. Football practice started though...
nice. two-a-days this week?

[ProudestAnt]

Your team isn't exactly the All Star Team . Especially when Buccholz still looks like a chump every time out. We only have one guy that eats it on a daily basis. You have an entire rotation...

[ProudestAnt]

nice. two-a-days this week? Yep. 11am cardio, tape, and walk-through. Break about 1. Back at 4 for full-pads...

[crashintome202]

We only have one guy that eats it on a daily basis. You have an entire rotation...
joba? mussina?