New York Yankees

[hbktonyb]

If the Sox get Halladay...season over for us. Here is the question. Say the Sox have the best offer on the table, with Buch and the 2 top prospects, and the Jays are ready to accept, but they go to the Yankees and say you have one last chance to offer something better. What would be your absolute best offer for him? Would you be willing to trade both Hughes and Joba?

[ProudestAnt]

If the Sox get Halladay...season over for us. Here is the question. Say the Sox have the best offer on the table, with Buch and the 2 top prospects, and the Jays are ready to accept, but they go to the Yankees and say you have one last chance to offer something better. What would be your absolute best offer for him? Would you be willing to trade both Hughes and Joba?
We have way too much we can include in this deal for you guys to top it without including both...

[jmudmbphan]

I'd rather them take Lee and Martinez than Halladay.


same.

[Trippin4136]

We have way too much we can include in this deal for you guys to top it without including both...

Joba and/or Hughes, Montero, Jackson, Banuelos, Melancon...the Yanks have plenty to offer.

[Crush086]

No way I'd pull the trigger on Joba and Hughes. That kills out pitching staff almost altogether this year. We need 2 more starters (since that bum Wang hasn't been performing) and then we'd have to replace Joba too?

And then losing Hughes would kill the setup rotation, since Hughes is killing it in this role so far.

One or the other, leaning more towards Hughes than Joba.

[ProudestAnt]

Joba and/or Hughes, Montero, Jackson, Banuelos, Melancon...the Yanks have plenty to offer.
You have to include both Hughes and Joba. I'm sorry, but you just can't top the Sox prospects without including both. Bowden, Clay, Westmoreland, Hagadone, Tazawa, Anderson, Reddick, Kalish, Rizzo, Navarro, Lin, Fife, Weiland are all guys who could go in this deal. There's no way that the Yanks are going to give up what they need to give up for him. It'd take Hughes, Joba and probably AJax at least...

[milo420dmb]

it seems that the Jays are looking for a SS so a deal will probably have to include a SS since they are trying to trade Scutero (sp?)

[Trippin4136]

You have to include both Hughes and Joba. I'm sorry, but you just can't top the Sox prospects without including both. Bowden, Clay, Westmoreland, Hagadone, Tazawa, Anderson, Reddick, Kalish, Rizzo, Navarro, Lin, Fife, Weiland are all guys who could go in this deal. There's no way that the Yanks are going to give up what they need to give up for him. It'd take Hughes, Joba and probably AJax at least...

Hold on...in your eyes, the Yankees would have to give up 2 guys with considerably more big league plus a blue chipper like Jackson or Montero and the Sox could give up 2 guys with considerably less big league time - or slim to none at all - to get Halladay?

I can rattle of names too: Joba, Hughes, Montero, Jackson, Banuelos, Melancon, McAllister, Romine, Betances, Brackman, all guys with huge upset. Great.

[ProudestAnt]

it seems that the Jays are looking for a SS so a deal will probably have to include a SS since they are trying to trade Scutero (sp?)
They have John McDonald...

[milo420dmb]

They have John McDonald...

which is true... but they are still looking for a SS

according to reports, at least

[ProudestAnt]

which is true... but they are still looking for a SS

according to reports, at least
If they're looking to move Scutaro, it's probably going to take a 3rd team being involved...

[hbktonyb]

I think the Jays would accept anyone if either the Yanks or Sox would take Vernon Wells off their hands.

[crashintome202]

i dont think that deal is good enough for JP to take it. maybe subbing kelly/bard for bowden and/or adding another legit prospect seems to be the amount needed if they're asking for joba and hughes

[ProudestAnt]

i dont think that deal is good enough for JP to take it. maybe subbing kelly/bard for bowden and/or adding another legit prospect seems to be the amount needed if they're asking for joba and hughes
The Sox have taken Bard and Kelly off the table...

[crashintome202]

The Sox have taken Bard and Kelly off the table...
unless the jays break down i dont think they'll take that offer. im still waiting for the phillies to give up way too much for him

[ProudestAnt]

unless the jays break down i dont think they'll take that offer. im still waiting for the phillies to give up way too much for him
They won't take the deal of Buchholz, Bowden and Westmoreland. It'll take at least one more top prospect from the Sox...

[hbktonyb]

If I were the Yanks, I'd offer Joba, Jesus, and two mid-levels.

[crashintome202]

to think we could have had santana for a similar price.

[Trippin4136]

to think we could have had santana for a similar price.

Personally, I have no regrets about not getting Johan. He's better off in the NL.

[crashintome202]

getting CC certainly made me forget about it because i doubt they'd go after CC after giving johan a huge extension. i could see us still signing AJ and having the same rotation we have now, just with johan. also, we'd have joba/hughes so thats definitely a plus. worked out well haha

[YankeesDMB41]

The team we have now is doing fine...why change it?

[milo420dmb]

The team we have now is doing fine...why change it?

true but there is still areas to improve on.. CF is still a little iffy, imo.. as well as a back end starter or maybe even another reliever...

[YankeesDMB41]

true but there is still areas to improve on.. CF is still a little iffy, imo.. as well as a back end starter or maybe even another reliever...

I agree with that...but trading Joba and Hughes to me is too much to change

[thestand]

If I were the Yanks, I'd offer Joba, Jesus, and two mid-levels.

No thank you. Joba is 23 and pitching above league average, and Jesus is the best hitting prospect since Jeter. My gut still says Halladay stays in Toronto, anyway.

[hbktonyb]

I think Halladay stays.

[treytreyw222]

fuck C.C., he is fucking my fantasy week up

[hbktonyb]

At least we didn't lose any ground. Guess we have to lose some games sometimes...

[milo420dmb]

At least we didn't lose any ground. Guess we have to lose some games sometimes...

I was just thinking that... I was very happy to see that the Sox and Papelnutz got beat when I turned on SportsCenter this morning

[hbktonyb]

A series win would be nice tonight

[thestand]

Rumor is that both Washburn and Snell are possible by Friday. It'd be interesting to see how they work that.

[milo420dmb]

Rumor is that both Washburn and Snell are possible by Friday. It'd be interesting to see how they work that.

I know Yankee scouts were in attendance for Washburn's game last night... I wouldn't be suprised at all if the Yanks end up getting him...

I will take a #5 starter with a 2.64 era any day of the week..

[rickyh24]

The Sox have taken Bard and Kelly off the table...

Thank God.

[milo420dmb]

I guess the Phillies are also in talks with Washburn as well...

[crashintome202]

both snell and washburn? like we trade for both or theres a good chance we'll get one of the 2?

[hbktonyb]

I would think just one.

[milo420dmb]

well Ian Snell is out of the picture... he just got traded, along with Jack Wilson, to Seattle...

Edit from mlbtr: 11:45am: Kovacevic says the Mariners acquire Wilson and Ian Snell for Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock.

[jmudmbphan]

god I want Washburn

[milo420dmb]

why do teams think the Yankees are going to give up Joba and Hughes for anyone... just reading an update and it said the Indians wanted both of them for Cliff Lee... sure the guy is the reigning Cy Young but give me a break... he is def. no Roy Halladay

[crashintome202]

makes me think washburn is def getting dealt

[crashintome202]

why do teams think the Yankees are going to give up Joba and Hughes for anyone... just reading an update and it said the Indians wanted both of them for Cliff Lee... sure the guy is the reigning Cy Young but give me a break... he is def. no Roy Halladay
lee just got/is very close to being traded to the phillies and they didnt have to include happ

[milo420dmb]

god I want Washburn

well, with them picking up Snell... maybe the deal is already in motion...

If it happens, I wonder what the Yanks are going to be giving up since Washburn's value is about as high as ever...

[milo420dmb]

lee just got/is very close to being traded to the phillies and they didnt have to include happ

yeah or Kyle Drabek... wtf?

[rickyh24]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post has the latest on the Yankees, and it sounds like they could have a quiet trade deadline. Sherman says the team is showing no inclination to pursue Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee, and has not engaged in extensive talks for Jarrod Washburn. They're not in on Bronson Arroyo, Doug Davis, or Jon Garland either. Sherman believes the Yanks might be content to let the Red Sox get Halladay.

[crashintome202]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post has the latest on the Yankees, and it sounds like they could have a quiet trade deadline. Sherman says the team is showing no inclination to pursue Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee, and has not engaged in extensive talks for Jarrod Washburn. They're not in on Bronson Arroyo, Doug Davis, or Jon Garland either. Sherman believes the Yanks might be content to let the Red Sox get Halladay.
if it comes down to the sox about to get halladay, cash will put together a similar package imo

[YankeesDMB41]

if it comes down to the sox about to get halladay, cash will put together a similar package imo

that's what happened with Tex..except he just used $ instead lol

[rickyh24]

if it comes down to the sox about to get halladay, cash will put together a similar package imo

I really don't think he can match The Sox "best package" Unless of course he plans on including Joba and Hughes.

[Ascf33]

It would be a lolz if they give all that up and finish 2nd.

[rickyh24]

It would be a lolz if they give all that up and finish 2nd.

I will be all like lolz if The Yankees finish 2nd after spending 100 kadrillion dollars this past off season.

[Crush086]

Nice try. Kadrillion doesn't even exist.

[rickyh24]

:lol Dammit.

[ProudestAnt]

Why do you guys want Washburn? He's a fly ball pitcher. Bring him into the new Yankee stadium and watch his ERA balloon.



Actually, forget I said anything. You guys DEFINITELY want Washburn...

[rickyh24]

Why do you guys want Washburn? He's a fly ball pitcher. Bring him into the new Yankee stadium and watch his ERA balloon.



Actually, forget I said anything. You guys DEFINITELY want Washburn...

:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

So the Phillies went with a pretty good plan B.

[crashintome202]

So the Phillies went with a pretty good plan B.
its a much better deal than paying the price for halladay.

and it doesnt matter who finishes 2nd cause they'll get the wildcard and everyone knows once you get into october anything can happen.

[ProudestAnt]

FWIW:

Joel Sherman of the New York Post has the latest on the Yankees, and it sounds like they could have a quiet trade deadline. Sherman says the team is showing no inclination to pursue Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee, and has not engaged in extensive talks for Jarrod Washburn. They're not in on Bronson Arroyo, Doug Davis, or Jon Garland either. Sherman believes the Yanks might be content to let the Red Sox get Halladay:

A person close to the Steinbrenner family said that Cashman has not even asked permission to expand the 2009 payroll nor is there anticipation that ownership would allow a significant financial increase now. This is pertinent because the Yankees do believe that the Red Sox have put Clay Buchholz into a trade offer for Halladay and that Boston just might get the ace righty.

So the first-place Yankees are tightening the purse strings, despite Chien-Ming Wang's season-ending shoulder surgery.

[rickyh24]

:lol Wang.

[milo420dmb]

Yanks were pretty quiet in the off season in acquiring Tex... same thing could happen here with a OF or pitcher.

I also heard that the Yanks have been looking into Chad Qualls...

[Ascf33]

Nice try. Kadrillion doesn't even exist.

:lol :lol

[rickyh24]

:lol :lol

Easily amused?

[Ascf33]

that was hilarious and you know it.

[dmbdreamingtree]

be ready for a trade that involves joba or hughes plus prospects for halladay.

[hbktonyb]

be ready for a trade that involves joba or hughes plus prospects for halladay.

source?

[YankeesDMB41]

be ready for a trade that involves joba or hughes plus prospects for halladay.

are you saying this to be obnoxious or is this the latest word on Halliday?

[Crush086]

source?
My thoughts exactly.

[rickyh24]

so no source?

[dmbdreamingtree]

are you saying this to be obnoxious or is this the latest word on Halliday?

cashman is said to be seriously considering a trade and was informed that joba or hughes would need to be involved plus some mix of Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson and Austin Romine...

[dmbdreamingtree]

ny post (http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/backpage/archives/2009/07/reports_buchhol.html)

[YankeesDMB41]

cashman is said to be seriously considering a trade and was informed that joba or hughes would need to be involved plus some mix of Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson and Austin Romine...

I hope it gets done

[milo420dmb]

that article says basically nothin about the yanks acquiring Halladay... reading that still leads me to believe the Sox are still going to snag him

[Crush086]

So wait, now it's Joba or Hughes? Not both?

Better I guess, but as long as he doesn't become a Sox, I don't care if the Jays keep him or trade him elsewhere.

[hbktonyb]

At this point the only way I would do it is to keep him away from the Sox. If he goes to them, we're done. But I would not trade both Hughes and Joba.

[Crush086]

Pretty much. And I'd send Hughes before Joba, even though it's tough right now.

Our bullpen may collapse if he isn't there to do setup, and losing another starter would probably kill this good vibe the starters have been giving recently.

[Trippin4136]

Ok, about that link from the NY Post.... a few things.

1) It came from Ken Rosenthal's article here: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866702/Yanks-talking-to-Jays,-but-is-there-interest?

2) The comment about Steinbrenner not discussing budget restrictions:

A person close to the Steinbrenner family said that Cashman has not even asked permission to expand the 2009 payroll nor is there anticipation that ownership would allow a significant financial increase now. This is pertinent because the Yankees do believe that the Red Sox have put Clay Buchholz into a trade offer for Halladay and that Boston just might get the ace righty.

3) Sherman mentions those prospects because those are the most highly rated prospects in the Yankees system.

With that being said...check out YES between 6-6:30. A colleague of mine will be on the show discussing Yankee prospects and what it would take to get certain deals done.

[YankeesDMB41]

ok, about that link from the ny post.... A few things.

1) it came from ken rosenthal's article here: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866702/yanks-talking-to-jays,-but-is-there-interest?

2) the comment about steinbrenner not discussing budget restrictions:

a person close to the steinbrenner family said that cashman has not even asked permission to expand the 2009 payroll nor is there anticipation that ownership would allow a significant financial increase now. This is pertinent because the yankees do believe that the red sox have put clay buchholz into a trade offer for halladay and that boston just might get the ace righty.

3) sherman mentions those prospects because those are the most highly rated prospects in the yankees system.

With that being said...check out yes between 6-6:30. a colleague of mine will be on the show discussing yankee prospects and what it would take to get certain deals done.

teh great michael kayz!!!!?!>?!!!?!?

[Trippin4136]

[/b]

teh great michael kayz!!!!?!>?!!!?!?

Uh, no.

[YankeesDMB41]

Uh, no.

no sense of humor i see..well then nvm

[rickyh24]

The Yankees acquired minor league righty Jason Hirsh from the Rockies, according to Tyler Kepner of the New York Times. Hirsh, 27, started 19 games for the 2007 NL Champion Rockies, but hasn't made an appearance in the majors so far this season. He's allowed 130 hits and 35 walks in just over 101 innings at Triple A, striking out 59.

[crashintome202]

The Yankees acquired minor league righty Jason Hirsh from the Rockies, according to Tyler Kepner of the New York Times. Hirsh, 27, started 19 games for the 2007 NL Champion Rockies, but hasn't made an appearance in the majors so far this season. He's allowed 130 hits and 35 walks in just over 101 innings at Triple A, striking out 59.
*facepalm*
not the kind of pitcher im looking for

[bmoney]

2:46:03 PM EST ESPN:

Peter Gammons is reporting that a deal for Toronto ace Roy Halladay is 'imminent'. It is unclear which prospects will be sent to Toronto in the deal, but a source close to Red Sox management acknowledged a verbal agreement has been reached. Sources believe the deal is based around [Clay] Buchholz, with the Red Sox sending two first-tier prospects and a third mid-tier. More details to follow.

[crashintome202]

2:46:03 PM EST ESPN:

Peter Gammons is reporting that a deal for Toronto ace Roy Halladay is 'imminent'. It is unclear which prospects will be sent to Toronto in the deal, but a source close to Red Sox management acknowledged a verbal agreement has been reached. Sources believe the deal is based around [Clay] Buchholz, with the Red Sox sending two first-tier prospects and a third mid-tier. More details to follow.
fucccccccccck:BANG

[crashintome202]

hm i just read that the sox havent made any formal offers for halladay :)

[milo420dmb]

2:46:03 PM EST ESPN:

Peter Gammons is reporting that a deal for Toronto ace Roy Halladay is 'imminent'. It is unclear which prospects will be sent to Toronto in the deal, but a source close to Red Sox management acknowledged a verbal agreement has been reached. Sources believe the deal is based around [Clay] Buchholz, with the Red Sox sending two first-tier prospects and a third mid-tier. More details to follow.

source? I don't see anything online

[milo420dmb]

from i have read, the Blue Jays shot down the Red Sox offer but the Red Sox have yet to say no to the counter proposal

[Trippin4136]

I think bmoney was yankin your chains...

And the Hirsh deal was just a minor league deal. The Scranton rotation has needed some depth because relievers were taking turns piggybacking Mitre's spot.

[hbktonyb]

Joba is pitching lights out today...nice. For some reason he is reminding me of Clemens today.

[salrx95]

Joba is pitching lights out today...nice. For some reason he is reminding me of Clemens today.

was it the pitch near Longoria's head.

HE is pitching great. Looking like a solid number 3 right now.

[hbktonyb]

He's a bit of a headcase though. Gotta calm down.

[salrx95]

best part of Joba's night is the 88 pitches through 7.

[jmudmbphan]

3 great starts in a row for Joba...Im liking it.

[thom hudson]

Good lord Bruney is a train wreck.
Mo to the rescue. :cool

Edit: Joba was awesome tonight.

[rickyh24]

Solid AB by Burrell. :lol

[thom hudson]

Solid AB by Burrell. :lol

They don't call him Pat the bat for nothing. :thumbsup

[mja271]

I don't see why Joba couldn't have just gone out for the 9th. He could've gotten a complete game shut-out which is a big deal these days. No way he'd have done worse than Bruney. I hate pitch/inning counts.

[Trippin4136]

I don't see why Joba couldn't have just gone out for the 9th. He could've gotten a complete game shut-out which is a big deal these days. No way he'd have done worse than Bruney. I hate pitch/inning counts.

Anyone else, you're right.

Joba, it's not going to happen.

[mja271]

Anyone else, you're right.

Joba, it's not going to happen.

yea I didn't expect it, I just don't think it would be detrimental at all for him to go out there and try to get 3 more outs. If he got in trouble right away, just pull him. At least give him the chance. I feel like young pitchers are babyed a little too much

[Trippin4136]

I hear ya. After 7 innings if they pulled him I would agree, but he was at 8 innings and 100 pitches. No reason to possibly make him labor in the 9th just for the satisfaction of pitching in the 9th, IMO.

[hbktonyb]

Anyone watch the postgame? Discussion about what happens when Joba reaches 150 innings. Girardi said that is his limit, no matter what. What if they are in a major pennant race in Sept and Joba is still pitching great?? i don't know what they are going to do.

[rickyh24]

That is a really messed up situation. Will they just insert Hughes back in and put Joba in the pen?

[crashintonickdm]

That is a really messed up situation. Will they just insert Hughes back in and put Joba in the pen?

who are you a fan of again? i can never tell anymore.

[YankeesDMB41]

Anyone watch the postgame? Discussion about what happens when Joba reaches 150 innings. Girardi said that is his limit, no matter what. What if they are in a major pennant race in Sept and Joba is still pitching great?? i don't know what they are going to do.

Girardi is a fucking moron

[hbktonyb]

That is a really messed up situation. Will they just insert Hughes back in and put Joba in the pen?

No, the other thing he said is that Hughes is done starting this year because he hasn't been stretched out past 2 innings. But they would probably put Joba back in the pen.

[Trippin4136]

But HOW do they put Joba in the pen? A) with him pitching as well as he is and B) It would open a second hole in the rotation...

[hbktonyb]

I just don't understand what they are going to do when they go into Sept. with 3 starters, Wang limp, and Hughes AND Joba in the pen.

[hbktonyb]

But HOW do they put Joba in the pen? A) with him pitching as well as he is and B) It would open a second hole in the rotation...

Exactly, that's what I don't understand. But he clearly stated that Joba will reach an innings limit, but they are not going to mess around now because they need to win games...

[rickyh24]

who are you a fan of again? i can never tell anymore.

I don't even get what this means.

[crashintonickdm]

I don't even get what this means.

you discuss the red sox, then you discuss the phils with your online g/f, or you're in the yankee thread giving advice with joba. thats why im confused.

[YankeesDMB41]

I don't even get what this means.

what baseball team do you cheer for?

[rickyh24]

you discuss the red sox, then you discuss the phils with your online g/f, or you're in the yankee thread giving advice with joba. thats why im confused.


Did not give any advice on Joba. I asked a question. Grow Up. I didn't realize I could only take part in the discussion of my favorite team. Stop trying to play the role of stereotypical Jersey douchebag. You do pull it off well though.

[rickyh24]

what baseball team do you cheer for?

:lol rly?

[YankeesDMB41]

:lol rly?

lol sorry for comming off like an ass...but honestly, who do you cheer for?

[rickyh24]

lol sorry for comming off like an ass...but honestly, who do you cheer for?

I cheer for all Boston Teams. I'm from Maine I just moved out to Vegas last year. I didn't think you were coming of like an ass I really thought you were kidding. :thumbsup

[crashintonickdm]

Did not give any advice on Joba. I asked a question. Grow Up. I didn't realize I could only take part in the discussion of my favorite team. Stop trying to play the role of stereotypical Jersey douchebag. You do pull it off well though.

honestly, im genuinely curious as to who you really like. i dont think the question was that ignorant.

[YankeesDMB41]

see above

[rickyh24]

honestly, im genuinely curious as to who you really like. i dont think the question was that ignorant.

Yeah coming from you I think its a pretty ignorant question. I fell more than confident that you know who my favorite team is.

[crashintonickdm]

Yeah coming from you I think its a pretty ignorant question. I fell more than confident that you know who my favorite team is.

dude, i dont know you. i dont know who you really like. ive seen you in numerous baseball threads, cheering for all different teams. i honestly do not know.

[rickyh24]

dude, i dont know you. i dont know who you really like. ive seen you in numerous baseball threads, cheering for all different teams. i honestly do not know.

Lies

[crashintonickdm]

Lies

makin the trip to pearl jam, eh? im getting tix if they open that 3rd show on halloween.

[rickyh24]

makin the trip to pearl jam, eh? im getting tix if they open that 3rd show on halloween.

Ya going to the 2 nights schedule so far.

[mja271]

wow that inning rule is retarded. this is an example of being overprotective imo

[Crush086]

Damn, a chance to harass ricky and call him a closet Yankee fan, and I missed it.

Now, I want to see all the Joba bashers a month ago saying Joba couldn't hack it as a starter, is a reliever, etc. etc. to give this man praise.

So Joba is at 110 innings. I think if he's keeping it up and the Yanks are in a close race, you have to keep him starting. Even if he's not though, it's pretty crazy to just shut him down after 150.

[crashintome202]

if you look at starters who increase more than 50 or so innings a year as a kid starting, you're going to regret it in the future. lots of teams say fuck it and let their kids go for as many innings as they need them and it hurts them in the future. this happened with verlander, hamels, kazmir... theres many examples. simply letting a guy go who hasnt throw that many innings in a single season is a bad idea. as shitty as it'll be to lose joba starting, in the long run its the right move.

they have to get a starter like washburn and i heard something about aceves moving to the rotation

[jmudmbphan]

aceves in the rotation = :thumbsdow

[crashintome202]

aceves in the rotation = :thumbsdow
i only saw it in one place, it might just be something they're thinking about.

[salrx95]

The Yankees has said since spring training or even last winter (I don't remember) that Joba had an innings limit this year. I have no problem with that. Look at Verlander, Dontrelle Willis, Mark Prior or Wood, They pitched all those innings in early years. Wood was never the same as a starter and Verlander sucked last year..maybe had a dead arm.

They know better than me how to bring him along and ensure his health for a long time. That said, they may need to skip him a turn or 2 depending on standings, days off, etc to make sure he is fresh for October.

[salrx95]

i only saw it in one place, it might just be something they're thinking about.

I'm sure they have talked of it but Bruney sucking again last night really makes it tough to do so. They need to get a SP. It doesn't need to be Halladay or even Washburn but someone better than Mitre, who has been acceptable, though hardly the answer.

[hbktonyb]

I gotta give Joba props for his last 3 starts...hopefully it continues. I'd still be arguing about him in the bullpen if it wasn't for Phil Hughes pitching lights out down there. You needed one more dominant guy in that slot, and Hughes filled it.

[stayorleave83]

Well add David Ortiz to the list (who doubted it anyway?)

[milo420dmb]

^^ I was wondering what you were talkin about until I found this..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=2&ref=sports

[ProudestAnt]

^^ I was wondering what you were talkin about until I found this..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=2&ref=sports
You missed the thread about it?

[milo420dmb]

You missed the thread about it?

I guess so... I don't really search through Ants that often, I just refresh 'my subscriptions'

[mja271]

Joba has been money since the break.

[hbktonyb]

Papi :lol

[Ascf33]

Right before a series at Yankee Stadium. It's so awesome.

[hbktonyb]

we finally get to chant steroids at one of their guys...

[thebestauntie]

Right before a series at Yankee Stadium. It's so awesome.
Oh crap. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Right before a series at Yankee Stadium. It's so awesome.

Edit: A 4-game series! :lol

[Crush086]

I can't wait for that series.

[rickyh24]

Edit: A 4-game series! :lol

Yes. Just enough games to reclaim the division.

[hbktonyb]

Just enough to double our lead!

[hbktonyb]

Hopefully this Sox score holds up

[awsomepath]

jeter sounds a little sketchy about possible roid usage from '03

www.espn.com/mlb/top_inter?3WQutnE_78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

I hope he gets :banned from mlb!

[rickyh24]

Hopefully this Sox score holds up

fail

[hbktonyb]

fail

Guess not :(

[hbktonyb]

jeter sounds a little sketchy about possible roid usage from '03

www.espn.com/mlb/top_inter?3WQutnE_78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

I hope he gets :banned from mlb!

You SOB :BANG:p

[milo420dmb]

according to mlbtr.. Yanks are the favorite to get Washburn

[crashintome202]

yep. i heard the M's asked for joba or hughes for washburn. i wonder how hard cash laughed in their faces before hanging up the phone

[crashintome202]

nevermind, that rumor was shot down. sounded way too dumb, even for the mariners.

[gonz085]

I gotta say, Joba was dominating last night. Quick innings, good location. Phil Hughes on the other hand... not so much. I'll give him a pass tho, he hadn't allowed a run in forever. I'm not a yankees fan, i'm just impressed.

oh, and Carl Crawford is a monster. carry on

[hbktonyb]

Andy is really getting some hard luck this half so far in his 2 dominant starts.

[Crush086]

And what would be even worse is if that Unearned Run lost the game.

On another note, Gavin Floyd was bringing it tonight. 10 K's ain't too shabby.

[hbktonyb]

Nice job by Swish, but in some trouble here in the 9th...

[hbktonyb]

Just knew that Phil Coke would not be able to get 2 outs...Hughes scoreless inning streak finally ended.

I hate Phil Coke, he's such a scrub that somehow had some good innings.

[Crush086]

Strong outing by Pettitte, all for naught.

How many innings did Hughes go before someone scored?

[thebestauntie]

For TJ:

t w o point f i v e

[rickyh24]

:lol

[hbktonyb]

Strong outing by Pettitte, all for naught.

How many innings did Hughes go before someone scored?

25. I think they said Mo had the record at 33 or something

[hbktonyb]

I love Andy

"What's sad is I felt better about it whenever I was winning games," Pettitte said. "Wins are what matters. I'm glad I'm feeling comfortable and throwing my pitches for strikes, and my cutter's back. Hopefully, I can just keep it going."

[Ascf33]

For TJ:

t w o point f i v e

you still haven't won a world series since 1918.

[rickyh24]

you still haven't won a world series since 1918.

:lol Yeah and all those ones the Yanks won in the 90's were definitley steroid free :cool

[rickyh24]

you still haven't won a world series since 1918.

Here is a cool article for you to read

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/14/2007-12-14_mitchell_report_rocks_yankees-3.html

[milo420dmb]

:lol Yeah and all those ones the Yanks won in the 90's were definitley steroid free :cool

yeah, I am sure Tino, Bernie, Mo, Jeter, Posada, Girardi, Brosius, Cone... were all juicers :rolleyes

[milo420dmb]

Here is a cool article for you to read

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/14/2007-12-14_mitchell_report_rocks_yankees-3.html

I thought Pettite took HGH after they had won all their rings already?

[rickyh24]

yeah, I am sure Tino, Bernie, Mo, Jeter, Posada, Girardi, Brosius, Cone... were all juicers :rolleyes

Go to love Yankee Fans. :lol I'm sure Pedroia, Youk, Beckett, Paps Lowell, DiceK, Ellsbury, Drew, Varitek, Wakefield, Lester and Okajima...were all juicers :rolleyes

see how that works both ways?

[rickyh24]

I thought Pettite took HGH after they had won all their rings already?

He got caught after. There is no way to tell if he was taking it before but really would you doubt that he was? I'm just trying to say there were most likely players on both teams taking "something" during the years they won rings. No point in downgrading the championships either team has won unless you downgrade the others too.

[hbktonyb]

They were all taking them...

...except Mo and Jete

[thebestauntie]

you still haven't won a world series since 1918.
You're right I haven't. But then I've never played professional baseball.

[rickyh24]

Washburn to Tigers

[stayorleave83]

You're right I haven't. But then I've never played professional baseball.

You sure? I thought I had your baseball card.

[milo420dmb]

it looks like the Red Sox just picked up Victor Martinez

[thebestauntie]

You sure? I thought I had your baseball card.
Well, I don't like to brag.

[thestand]

Duchscherer was pulled from his rehab start today. He was on the radar as a fallback since the beginning, so I wonder.

[milo420dmb]

Yanks acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds... doesn't mention who they traded to get him

[ProudestAnt]

Whoooo for Jerry Hairston!

[milo420dmb]

Whoooo for Jerry Hairston!

depending on who they gave up, not a bad move..he can basically play all over the field - plus adds another option off the bench

tho, i would have liked to see the Yanks pick up another arm...

Edit: he is definitely an upgrade over Ransom

[ProudestAnt]

You guys gave up AJax for Hairston? Oh my... :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

:lol

[ProudestAnt]

Nevermind, retracted. God, that was hilarious for the time it was posted...

[Crush086]

Stop toying with my emotions.

[ProudestAnt]

I just posted what was reported...

[milo420dmb]

wow.. you guys are naive

[milo420dmb]

I just posted what was reported...

posted in a comment on mlbtr.com?

b/c that is where I saw it..

[ProudestAnt]

posted in a comment on mlbtr.com?

b/c that is where I saw it..
No, I didn't even know mlbtr had comments. :lol I read it on Mayo's Twitter...

[thebestauntie]

Holy cow what a catch by Damon!

[rickyh24]

wts you're totally ruining everything for me

[thebestauntie]

wts you're totally ruining everything for me
Lolzzz, sorry, I forget you're not actually watching the game. It's on WGN.

[rickyh24]

Lolzzz, sorry, I forget you're not actually watching the game. It's on WGN.

I'm watching its just behind with mlb.tv online


anyways I like what I'm seeing......I'll allow it.

[thebestauntie]

I'm watching its just behind with mlb.tv online


anyways I like what I'm seeing......I'll allow it.
:thumbsup :lol

I'll try to wait for your comments though. But no promises.

[rickyh24]

o n e point f i v e

[thebestauntie]

Dammit, you stole my post! :lol

[rickyh24]

:lol It was ready to go for minutes. I knew I had to be quick.

[thebestauntie]

The kicker is I knew about 2 minutes before you, but I waited until you would know. Serves me right. :hrumph

[rickyh24]

:lol I never thought of that

[TheKramer26]

Can someone please explain to me why cody ransom plays for the new york yankees!!! Where the fuck is pena!!!! I can hit better than cody handsome ransom!

[hbktonyb]

2 players I hate - Cody Handsome and Phil Cola

[rickyh24]

:lol

[thestand]

You would think that, after trading for a player that is literally Cody Ransom plus years of MLB experience and an additional .020 in basically all three career slash-stats, you'd DFA Ransom. But no, let's DFA She-Dunc, a right handed power bat with 2 front of the rotations lefties in Chicago to come.

[thestand]

I mean seriously, I know the rule is to not bat Hinske against lefties (though he's already homered off of one), but did he have something better to do? I mean, was Girardi expecting nothing but line drives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XZX946hWI)?

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, I'm disappointed Shelly is back down and Cody is on the team. I don't get it, he's batting .190 with no homers.

[thebestauntie]

point f i v e

[rickyh24]

Somebodys closer....

[DavefaninNZ]

z e r o point f i v e

That looks better.

[hbktonyb]

insurmountable

[rickyh24]

:lol

[thebestauntie]

That looks better.
Oh you're right, much better!

[ProudestAnt]

How big is next weekend's series shaping up to be? Wow...

[ProudestAnt]

Yanks fans help me out if I'm wrong. If the starts shake out the way they should, we're looking at:

Wake v. Chamberlain Thursday
Beckett v. Burnett Friday
Clay v. Sabathia Saturday
Lester v. Pettite Sunday

[thebestauntie]

How big is next weekend's series shaping up to be? Wow...
I can't freakin wait!

[thestand]

Yanks fans help me out if I'm wrong. If the starts shake out the way they should, we're looking at:

Wake v. Chamberlain Thursday
Beckett v. Burnett Friday
Clay v. Sabathia Saturday
Lester v. Pettite Sunday

That's correct on the Yankees end, yes. Though it was pretty awesome when it was going to be Wake v. Mitre, until someone came up with some common sense.

[thestand]

At the moment, I see a split series, WLWL from the Yankees perspective, based on the matchups.

[rickyh24]

Wakefield > Joba

[thestand]

Wakefield > Joba

Against the rest of the MLB, sure. But you must know by watching the games that, more often than not, the Yankees treat Wake like a BP pitcher. Here's the most likely Yankee lineup on Wednesday, against Wake in their careers.


Player AB BA
Melky Cabrera 14 .429
Johnny Damon 63 .302
Derek Jeter 103 .301
Robbie Cano 40 .300
Mark Teixeira 32 .281
Alex Rodriguez 78 .269
Nick Swisher 8 .250
Jorge Posada 66 .227
Hideki Matsui 49 .204

Wakefield's a great pitcher, but hasn't had great luck against the Yankees. And Joba's hot, and pitching at home. My take.

[rickyh24]

Damn you and your logic.

[ProudestAnt]

At the moment, I see a split series, WLWL from the Yankees perspective, based on the matchups.
I think I agree just looking at the matchups. Although it could easily become a sweep either way...

[hbktonyb]

Nice delivery by the Milkman against mr. perfect

[mr. testaverde]

the milk man has delivered!

[thebestauntie]

Congrats to Melky.

[Crush086]

Melk with the cycle. Good stuff today.

[hbktonyb]

Good to end the short losing streak. Huge week ahead of us.

[Ascf33]

Yanks fans help me out if I'm wrong. If the starts shake out the way they should, we're looking at:

Wake v. Chamberlain Thursday
Beckett v. Burnett Friday
Clay v. Sabathia Saturday
Lester v. Pettite Sunday

Friday's game looks to be huge.

[rickyh24]

Beckett > Burnett

[mr. testaverde]

Beckett > Burnett


over an entire career, sure. but as of late burnett has been pitching real well, minus his last outing (everyone has a hiccup now and then). if he pitches like he has been the last month or so, that should be a tight game

[Ascf33]

Beckett > Burnett

:lol

He's our best pitcher and he's pitching well. It will be a good game.

[hbktonyb]

Thursday is the biggest regular season single game for the Yankees in 3 years.

[rickyh24]

over an entire career, sure.

and this season

[thestand]

:lol

He's our best pitcher and he's pitching well. It will be a good game.

CC has a much higher WAR (#13 in baseball), so to say he's the best is a stretch. But he's been pitching at a very high level, definitely. It'll be a great game.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

over an entire career, sure. but as of late burnett has been pitching real well, minus his last outing (everyone has a hiccup now and then). if he pitches like he has been the last month or so, that should be a tight game

:lol Here are their bodies of work over the past month:

Burnett:
31ip
3 w
18 k
4.06 era
1.52 whip

Beckett
37.2
4 w
2 cg
1 sho
33 K
2.15 ERA
0.93 whip

[thestand]

:lol Here are their bodies of work over the past month:

Burnett:
31ip
3 w
18 k
4.06 era
1.52 whip

Beckett
37.2
4 w
2 cg
1 sho
33 K
2.15 ERA
0.93 whip

Do you just like making yourself the only Boston fan that's easy to hate on the boards? :lol Man, a little reading comprehension would keep you from me harassing you. As the user that you quoted said, we're talking about AJ "recently, not counting his last start". So, as a random example, let's take both of their stats starting after they faced each other on June 9th, and not including both of their last start. That's a larger sample size than what you went through, so it's a bit more representative of their recent history.

June 14th - July 27th

AJ Burnett

8 GS
53.2 IP
6-1
1.68 ERA
1.184 WHIP
.193/.295/.271 against
1.47 WPA
.93 aLI

Josh Beckett

8 GS
59.2 IP
5-2
3.02 ERA
.963 WHIP
.236/.258/.345 against
.96 WPA
.87 aLI

That is what that poster was talking about. Over an 8 game "recent" stretch, Burnett was not only comparable, but better than Beckett in a lot of ways, most noticeably their Win Probability Added. And his leverage index shows you that he did it in more difficult conditions than Beckett.

[Crush086]

Do you just like making yourself the only Boston fan that's easy to hate on the boards? :lol Man, a little reading comprehension would keep you from me harassing you. As the user that you quoted said, we're talking about AJ "recently, not counting his last start". So, as a random example, let's take both of their stats starting after they faced each other on June 9th, and not including both of their last start. That's a larger sample size than what you went through, so it's a bit more representative of their recent history.

June 14th - July 27th

AJ Burnett

8 GS
53.2 IP
6-1
1.68 ERA
1.184 WHIP
.193/.295/.271 against
1.47 WPA
.93 aLI

Josh Beckett

8 GS
59.2 IP
5-2
3.02 ERA
.963 WHIP
.236/.258/.345 against
.96 WPA
.87 aLI

That is what that poster was talking about. Over an 8 game "recent" stretch, Burnett was not only comparable, but better than Beckett in a lot of ways, most noticeably their Win Probability Added. And his leverage index shows you that he did it in more difficult conditions than Beckett.
Another stat pwn.

[ProudestAnt]

Yeah, let's just keep picking stretches of time that help our case. How about season stats, career stats, postseason stats? Jesus Christ, give it a rest...

[rickyh24]

Yeah, let's just keep picking stretches of time that help our case. How about season stats, career stats, postseason stats? Jesus Christ, give it a rest...

:lol:lol

[ProudestAnt]

"Burnett's been better recently."

"Ok, let's look at the last month. "

"Well by RECENTLY, I meant since June. Because Burnett hasn't been better in the past month, only when you look at the past two months. So the past month isn't recent enough, we need to go further into the past to get more recenter..."

[rickyh24]

Pretty much Beckett > Burnettt

[Ascf33]

Can't we just agree that all of these games match up fairly even and it should be a hell of a series?

[mr. testaverde]

Do you just like making yourself the only Boston fan that's easy to hate on the boards? :lol Man, a little reading comprehension would keep you from me harassing you. As the user that you quoted said, we're talking about AJ "recently, not counting his last start". So, as a random example, let's take both of their stats starting after they faced each other on June 9th, and not including both of their last start. That's a larger sample size than what you went through, so it's a bit more representative of their recent history.

June 14th - July 27th

AJ Burnett

8 GS
53.2 IP
6-1
1.68 ERA
1.184 WHIP
.193/.295/.271 against
1.47 WPA
.93 aLI

Josh Beckett

8 GS
59.2 IP
5-2
3.02 ERA
.963 WHIP
.236/.258/.345 against
.96 WPA
.87 aLI

That is what that poster was talking about. Over an 8 game "recent" stretch, Burnett was not only comparable, but better than Beckett in a lot of ways, most noticeably their Win Probability Added. And his leverage index shows you that he did it in more difficult conditions than Beckett.


thank you. at least someone knows reading comprehension

[hbktonyb]

Can't we just agree that all of these games match up fairly even and it should be a hell of a series?

Nope. :lol

[UgliestNakedGuy]

So you're saying that Burnett has been better than Beckett if you take out a start or two that Burnett had recently? Oh ok, I understand.

Dipshits.

Beckett>Burnett, be it your definition of recently, or over the course of a career, postseason, you name it, Beckett is the better pitcher. But if we're playing by your rules, I'll make Beckett even MORE better cause if you get to take out Burnett's shit starts, then we take out Beckett's too.

[Crush086]

^How does that even make sense?

What classifies as a shit start?

Edit: Nevermind. Forget I said anything.

[thebestauntie]

Can't we just agree that all of these games match up fairly even and it should be a hell of a series?

Nope. :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[jmudmbphan]

So you're saying that Burnett has been better than Beckett if you take out a start or two that Burnett had recently? Oh ok, I understand.

Dipshits.

Beckett>Burnett, be it your definition of recently, or over the course of a career, postseason, you name it, Beckett is the better pitcher. But if we're playing by your rules, I'll make Beckett even MORE better cause if you get to take out Burnett's shit starts, then we take out Beckett's too.


you're such an angry person. you must have a miserable life. i pity you.

[Ascf33]

Edit: Nevermind. Forget I said anything.

:lol :lol

this is the only way to talk to Ugly Naked Guy

[DavefaninNZ]

"Burnett's been better recently."

"Ok, let's look at the last month. "

"Well by RECENTLY, I meant since June. Because Burnett hasn't been better in the past month, only when you look at the past two months. So the past month isn't recent enough, we need to go further into the past to get more recenter..."

Spot on. :lol:thumbsup

[UgliestNakedGuy]

^How does that even make sense?

What classifies as a shit start?

Edit: Nevermind. Forget I said anything.


Burnett's last start, where he gave up 7. You know, the one y ou guys ommited when saying he has been "better recently"

[UgliestNakedGuy]

you're such an angry person. you must have a miserable life. i pity you.

Not really, I'm actually great to be around if I like you, however if I don't like you, you'll sure as hell know it. Especially on a message board where I couldn't care less what someone's opinion of me is. Message boards and reality are two completely different things, try to separate them for once.

You pretend as though you're part of my day while I'm not logged into antsmarching.org and that thought alone makes me laugh out loud.

[Trippin4136]

:lol :lol

this is the only way to talk to Ugly Naked Guy

There was actually level-headed discussion between rivals in here before he decided to return with his 34th user name.

[jmudmbphan]

Not really, I'm actually great to be around if I like you, however if I don't like you, you'll sure as hell know it. Especially on a message board where I couldn't care less what someone's opinion of me is. Message boards and reality are two completely different things, try to separate them for once.

You pretend as though you're part of my day while I'm not logged into antsmarching.org and that thought alone makes me laugh out loud.

you're need for constant self-validation makes me laugh out loud. well call it even.

[UgliestNakedGuy]

you're need for constant self-validation makes me laugh out loud. well call it even.


Sounds good. I would love to go without ever conversing with you. :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

Can't we just agree that all of these games match up fairly even and it should be a hell of a series?

NEVER!!! :violent:violent

[jmudmbphan]

Sounds good. I would love to go without ever conversing with you. :thumbsup

then why do you respond to every post i make?

[smeritt]

You man. You stupid stupid man.
"Burnett's been better recently."

"Ok, let's look at the last month. "

"Well by RECENTLY, I meant since June. Because Burnett hasn't been better in the past month, only when you look at the past two months. So the past month isn't recent enough, we need to go further into the past to get more recenter..."

[Crush086]

then why do you respond to every post i make?

As tempting as it is to respond and get people riled up, leave the nonsense in the Sox thread (since that's all it's full of anyways). Or ignore it completely.