New York Yankees

[Bartndrpleez]

happily ever after...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4083/arod.gif

:lol:lol:lol

[stayorleave83]

Did anyone notice some of the players run past Jeter and head towards Arod to celebrate the win? I don't think it's a big deal I just happen to notice it.

[coyne]

i thought everyone ran to arod

[Ascf33]

happily ever after...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4083/arod.gif

:lol:lol:lol

They can duke each other in the butt all they want as long as they keep winning.

[hbktonyb]

the guy gets 6 RBIs in a game and now he is a god. :lol

Never said he was god. Said he was good, professional and clutch.

God is reserved for one Yankee. Him.

[Trippin4136]

CHAMPIONS!!!


And the future is only going to get brighter

[hbktonyb]

We finally did it? They win it for the 27th time and you finally did it?

I realize the 9 years between titles probably seemed like a lifetime between them but..."finally did it?"

How about "we finally lived up to expectations"

No, I stand by my statement. Making it to the playoffs every year and losing, losing after a 3-0 lead, losing 2 world series in 01 and 03. This feels like a 'finally did it'. Understand we were spoiled in the 90's, which is why I have that feeling.

[hbktonyb]

CHAMPIONS!!!


And the future is only going to get brighter

Yup! Our core will be back. Hughes and Kennedy will still develop, and Joba will get his 07 mojo back when he is moved to the bullpen.

[Crush086]

I hope Hughes doesn't go down that same Joba road, and struggle as a starter after having been in relief.

[Ascf33]

Remember, we'll have a healthy Chien-Ming Wang back as well.

[hbktonyb]

I like the sound of CC, AJ, Andy, Phil, Wang and Kennedy.

[watchtower86]

Yankees were better. Congrats to their team and fans. I'll leave you guys to your thread now.

[coyne]

http://www.lohud.com/article/20091105/SPORTS01/911050402/

[Crush086]

You know, Girardi almost blew it with some of his managing decisions, but you gotta give him some credit for sticking to the 3 man rotation, instead of turning to Gaudin for fear of the whole 3 day rest thing.

[Digitalfury2248]

2009 World Champs!

Hell yea! Pettite always good in big games. Hideki with a monster night. Incredible!!! So happy watching their reactions after... from the old vets tasting victory again after so many years- Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettite.... to the players who finally got live out their childhood dreams- A-Rod, Tex, etc. What a night!!!



by the way, I called it...
Yankees in 6.


... just cause the first title in the new stadium should be won in NY.

[thom hudson]

What a season.

Andy Pettitte is the man.
Matsui is a fucking samurai.

Congrats, fellow Yanks fans. Enjoy it. See you in lower Manhattan tomorrow.

[hbktonyb]

Can't wait for tomorrow.

[mr. testaverde]

2009 world series champions! i watched the game in a bar in downtown boston PACKED with yankee fans, it was freakin awesome. the article says there were 125 of us there, but there were probably 200+, easily.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/11/05/even_here_ny_fans_true_to_their_stripes/

[hbktonyb]

2009 world series champions! i watched the game in a bar in downtown boston PACKED with yankee fans, it was freakin awesome. the article says there were 125 of us there, but there were probably 200+, easily.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/11/05/even_here_ny_fans_true_to_their_stripes/

That's freakin awesome.

[DMBfan41]

What a wonderful day, as all is right in the world again. The Yanks are champs!

[mr. testaverde]

That's freakin awesome.

yeah it was a blast. better than sitting in my family room watching it with my two roommates - one a philly fan, one a sox fan :lol

[jmudmbphan]

Theres something about this championship that is especially sweet. I can't quite put my finger on it...I know were lucky to "only" have waited 9 years. But those 9 years, we've come so close so many times. I remember how terrible I felt in 2004...that was the worst. It's just amazing to to think how young jeter, mo, pettite, posada were when they last won it...shit, how young I was...I was 16 at the time...I've just got a very nostalgic feeling looking back over those 9 years and seeing where we are today. Just amazing.

[Lcsulla]

Lost in all of the celebration was Mo saying he wanted to keep playing.

[jmudmbphan]

5 more years.

[DMBfan41]

Theres something about this championship that is especially sweet. I can't quite put my finger on it...I know were lucky to "only" have waited 9 years. But those 9 years, we've come so close so many times. I remember how terrible I felt in 2004...that was the worst. It's just amazing to to think how young jeter, mo, pettite, posada were when they last won it...shit, how young I was...I was 16 at the time...I've just got a very nostalgic feeling looking back over those 9 years and seeing where we are today. Just amazing.

Very true, I feel that this championship is the one I can really appreciate most because I am such a big fan now. It was great to see the Yankees win those years, but I couldn't appreciate it like I do now. 96 when it all started, I was 10. 2000, I was 14. It is amazing to look back and see the Core 4 win then and now.

I started going to Yankee games in 1992 when I was 6. That Year, Jeter, Pettite, and Jorge were on the Greensboro Hornets (A). A year before, Mo was there. And they all came together on the '94 Columbus Clippers (AAA) team. And here they are 15 years later.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, Wow. What a great time to grow up, learn about baseball, start appreciating the game, and getting to know the Yankees!

[Lcsulla]

5 more years.

Music to my ears. I cannot imagine what life will be like without him sweating out close games with a shaky closer. I have forgotten what it was like before him - expect Wetteland making me cringe at times. Just hand the man a blank check!

[thebestauntie]

Lost in all of the celebration was Mo saying he wanted to keep playing.
I was half expecting a text from you after the last out.

[Lcsulla]

I was half expecting a text from you after the last out.

I shut my phone off in the ninth, it wouldn't shut up. :lol

Had some friends and family over so we watched the postgame so I didn't even turn it back on until this morning. I am also not a taunter, I just enjoy myself. :)

[thebestauntie]

I shut my phone off in the ninth, it wouldn't shut up. :lol

Had some friends and family over so we watched the postgame so I didn't even turn it back on until this morning. I am also not a taunter, I just enjoy myself. :)
:lol :lol :lol

I didn't think it would be as a taunt, just a happy drunk Jamie "Yay" text. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Rivera is about to be 40 and he just doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Sign on for another 3 years!!

[Crush086]

So, I'm not sure which hat I should buy. I'm getting the Navy Blue Parade Hood, and was thinking about getting the On Field Cap (you know, the ones CC and them were wearing right after the win), but I'm not sure if I should get that one or one with a logo.

[thebestauntie]

So, I'm not sure which hat I should buy. I'm getting the Navy Blue Parade Hood, and was thinking about getting the On Field Cap (you know, the ones CC and them were wearing right after the win), but I'm not sure if I should get that one or one with a logo.
Get both.

[rickyh24]

So, I'm not sure which hat I should buy. I'm getting the Navy Blue Parade Hood, and was thinking about getting the On Field Cap (you know, the ones CC and them were wearing right after the win), but I'm not sure if I should get that one or one with a logo.

Make sure you let me know what happens here. I'm on the edge of my seat.

[thebestauntie]

Make sure you let me know what happens here. I'm on the edge of my seat.
I love you Ricky. :hug :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Crush086]

Get both.
Good idea.
Make sure you let me know what happens here. I'm on the edge of my seat.
Go to hell.

[Trippin4136]

What in the hell is Swisher doing in this picture?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/photo?photoId=2376661&team=nyy

[rickyh24]

What in the hell is Swisher doing in this picture?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/photo?photoId=2376661&team=nyy

:lol What Swisher does best....failing.

[Trippin4136]

:lol What Swisher does best....failing.

Swisher = awesome.

Plus he's a Buckeye.


As for Joba, this guy will be hungover for the next fortnight.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/05/sports/photos_galleries/yankees_celebration/cropped/92343144CC327_Philadelphia_011556--500x380.jpg

[rickyh24]

Swisher = awesome.


roflmao

[Trippin4136]

roflmao

Don't mock just because you're forced to root for that dead stick J.D. Drew.

[hbktonyb]

Swish brings teh chemitryz!!

[Trippin4136]

I just dig Swisher's whole vibe. His attitude, the way he carries himself, how he interacts with the team, the fans and the media.

I just think he's awesome

[HoldemHart]

Not sure if this has been posted or not but Jeter, Pettitte and Jorge are going to be on Letterman tonight.

[matthewdaves187]

Not sure if THIS has been said before but that was one of the dullest World Series EVER, not to mention (but I will) the dullest deciding game complete without any drama whatsoever.

[DavefaninNZ]

^It was a bit anticlimatic, but Im sure the yankees fans don't give a fuck.

[matthewdaves187]

At least we don't have to watch the Phillies coach chew gum, I've never seen anyone chew gum as quickly as that guy does. Yeah I realize Yankees fans don't care how boring that series was.

[hbktonyb]

I just dig Swisher's whole vibe. His attitude, the way he carries himself, how he interacts with the team, the fans and the media.

I just think he's awesome

Me too, I think he and Damon are perfect for that clubhouse. Really changed the atmosphere.

[thebestauntie]

Not sure if THIS has been said before but that was one of the dullest World Series EVER, not to mention (but I will) the dullest deciding game complete without any drama whatsoever.
You obviously didn't watch the '07 World Series between the Red Sox and Rockies.

[hbktonyb]

You obviously didn't watch the '07 World Series between the Red Sox and Rockies.

I've seen plenty of dull ones...Sox/Rockies, Yankees/Braves, Yankees/Padres.

[DavefaninNZ]

Yanks/Mets was probably the worst for me, followed by yanks/padres.

[thebestauntie]

I've seen plenty of dull ones...Sox/Rockies, Yankees/Braves, Yankees/Padres.
Wasn't there a Yankees/Mets one too that no one outside of the tri-borough area cared a damn about?

[hbktonyb]

Wasn't there a Yankees/Mets one too that no one outside of the tri-borough area cared a damn about?

Nope.

[thebestauntie]

Nope.
Clearly there was.
Yanks/Mets was probably the worst for me, followed by yanks/padres.

[hbktonyb]

Clearly there was.

Nope. :lol

[thebestauntie]

Nope. :lol
:lol:lol

[hbktonyb]

:bounce:multi:bounce:bounce:multi:bounce
2009
World
Champions
The New York Yankees
:multi:bounce:multi:multi:bounce:multi

[crashintome202]

best night ever. the streets were flooded with people after the game it was crazy

[jmudmbphan]

did anyone else shed a tear when pettite was pulled...or was that just me?

[rickyh24]

^ what a pansy. lolololololololo

[Ascf33]

^ what a pansy. lolololololololo

:lol :lol :lol

[DavefaninNZ]

:lol

[Lcsulla]

^It was a bit anticlimatic, but Im sure the yankees fans don't give a fuck.

You are correct, we do not care if people thought a game tight fought series was boring. Yankees won and that is what matters to Yankee fans. I think the guy you quoted is still a bit sore that the Angels came up short on the fundamentals a week and a half ago.

I know they lost but I also doubt you will find a Phillies fan who thought it was boring. Disappointing for them, certainly, but boring - no.

[rickyh24]

^ Agreed. I really could care less how my team gets it done. As long as they do. Its not like the Sox played in some bone chilling World Series games.

[DavefaninNZ]

At least the red sox swept when they won their championships, not like these lame ass 2009 Yankees.

[hbktonyb]

Of course I shed a tear for Andy.

[Noles20]

Of course I shed a tear for Andy.

are you going to the parade tomorrow?

[hbktonyb]

Yeah I think I'm going to go, no excuse, I'm 15 minutes away.

[MsEmilyNYC]

If any of you are coming out to the parade, I just passed through Bowling Green and the lowest part of Broadway. If you get here soon there is plenty of room.

[s0628711]

See Y'all at the parade!

[Noles20]

Yeah I think I'm going to go, no excuse, I'm 15 minutes away.

Enjoy the parade...bastards!

[hbktonyb]

The Canyon of Heroes..best part of the parade - Jay Z and Arod's bumping float.

[hbktonyb]

:bounce:multi:bounce:bounce:multi:bounce

2009
world
champions
the new york yankees

:multi:bounce:multi:multi:bounce:multi



fyi..

[matthewdaves187]

I went to the parade...the Lakers Championship Parade that is. WOW NBA Champions!

[hbktonyb]

Hope Andy decides to come back

[Crush086]

Is Andy contemplating? I thought he was done after this year. And with another ring, why not?

[hbktonyb]

Rumor that he told Jeter and Posada he wants another year since his arm felt so good. Also rumor that Yanks would pay Lackey the AJ deal if he wants to play.

[Crush086]

Wow. CC, Lackey, Pettitte, AJ, Wang would be tops in the league. You'd have to be thinking repeat if they pulled that off.

[hbktonyb]

That would be nice, I don't think Lackey wants to play in NY, but if they pay enough, he will be here.

[Crush086]

Lackey might have reservations about NY (LA weather trumps NY weather IMO), but I'm sure he noted that CC, AJ, and Tex won a title in their first year. A nice paycheck I'd think would seal the deal.

[rickyh24]

Wow. CC, Lackey, Pettitte, AJ, Wang would be tops in the league. You'd have to be thinking repeat if they pulled that off.

:lol:lol:lol

[Roose13]

That would be nice, I don't think Lackey wants to play in NY, but if they pay enough, he will be here.

Won't be a problem :lol

[Ascf33]

:lol:lol:lol

Laugh it up. Dude will be fine next year.

[crashintome202]

i'd love to get lackey and bring back andy. yankees would have the best 1-4 in baseball and im not worried about the 5th starter (gaudin?)

[hbktonyb]

If we do that, we can finally develop Hughes.

[rickyh24]

Laugh it up. Dude will be fine next year.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

yankees would have the best 1-4 in baseball

That really depends on what other teams do.

[hbktonyb]

That really depends on what other teams do.

Better rotation?

CC, Andy, AJ, Lackey, Wang/Hughes

-or-

Halladay, Beckett, DiceK, Wakefield, Lester

[rickyh24]

Better rotation?

CC, Andy, AJ, Lackey, Wang/Hughes

-or-

Halladay, Beckett, DiceK, Wakefield, Lester

Wakefield huh? lol.

[hbktonyb]

ok...CC, Andy, AJ, Lackey, Hughes/Wang

Halladay, Becket, dicek, Lester, Bucholz?

[rickyh24]

Halladay, Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Bucholz

[hbktonyb]

Jeter - Gold Glove! What a season by el capitan

and Tex of course.

[hbktonyb]

Halladay, Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Bucholz

I'll disagree. I say equal.

CC = Halladay
Lackey > Beckett
Andy > Dice K
Lester > AJ
Bucholz > Chen Ming Hughes

or

CC = Halladay
Beckett > AJ
Andy > Dice K
Lackey > Lester
Bucholz > Chen Ming Hughes

[rickyh24]

I wasn't saying either was better I was just showing what order it would be. CC = Halladay and Lackey > Lester??? lololololololololololollolo

[hbktonyb]

I wasn't saying either was better I was just showing what order it would be. CC = Halladay and Lackey > Lester??? lololololololololololollolo

After 09, CC is def. = Lackey. He had an unstoppable 2nd half + playoffs.

So far, Lackey > Lester.

[rickyh24]

^ You're cracking me up today.

[hbktonyb]

CC > Halladay.

World Series champions > losers.

[Trippin4136]

Jeter = Gold Glove

Tex = Gold Glove

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4642325

[rickyh24]

CC > Halladay.

World Series champions > losers.

Da passstzz!!11!!

[hbktonyb]

Awesome that Jeter won it after an 08 filled with 'Jeter to the outfield' headlines...He played a flawless SS this year.

[hbktonyb]

Da passstzz!!11!!

Cc > Brady

[rickyh24]

Cc > Brady

Giants = Non Playoff team

[Trippin4136]

Giants = Non Playoff team

Patriots = nobody cares

[rickyh24]

Patriots = nobody cares

lame and false

[Trippin4136]

Really, who could give a shit about the Patriots?

Best team in a crappy division that won't win the Super Bowl.

Next?

[thebestauntie]

Cc > Brady
:lol :lol :lol

[hbktonyb]

Giants = Non Playoff team

I hope so...but you should know by now I'm a miserable Jet fan!

[thebestauntie]

I hope so...but you should know by now I'm a miserable Jet fan!
Wow, that's almost worth sigging. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Wow, that's almost worth sigging. :lol

:lol:lol

Thank God for the Yankees.

[rickyh24]

I hope so...but you should know by now I'm a miserable Jet fan!

:lol :lol

[rickyh24]

Really, who could give a shit about the Patriots?


I'm going to go out on a limb here and answer this with...Patriot Fans.

[thebestauntie]

:lol:lol

Thank God for the Yankees.
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[Ascf33]

World Series champions > losers.

ftw.

[Trippin4136]

So now that the Giants and Yankees have both win titles since the last time any the Sox or Pats did, has "Titletown" now shifted back to New York?

[rickyh24]

So now that the Giants and Yankees have both win titles since the last time any the Sox or Pats did, has "Titletown" now shifted back to New York?



I'm not sure how it works but football and baseball are not the only sports. The C's won in 08 and Beantown has 6 total this decade.

and we also need to take into consideration the NY has multiple teams in each sport. So Bostons Win % as far as rings go the past 10 years trumps NY's easily. I really don't know what the criteria is for Titletown though.

[crashintome202]

I'm not sure how it works but football and baseball are not the only sports. The C's won in 08 and Beantown has 6 total this decade.

and we also need to take into consideration the NY has multiple teams in each sport. So Bostons Win % as far as rings go the past 10 years trumps NY's easily. I really don't know what the criteria is for Titletown though.
please dont associate the mets with new york sports. new york sports fans want nothing to do with them:lol

[rickyh24]

please dont associate the mets with new york sports. new york sports fans want nothing to do with them:lol

:lol understandable but they do play in NY.

[crashintome202]

with the right moves another dynasty could be set in place.

[hbktonyb]

I'm not sure how it works but football and baseball are not the only sports. The C's won in 08 and Beantown has 6 total this decade.

and we also need to take into consideration the NY has multiple teams in each sport. So Bostons Win % as far as rings go the past 10 years trumps NY's easily. I really don't know what the criteria is for Titletown though.

Good points, but the only sports that matter are football and baseball.

[rickyh24]

Good points, but the only sports that matter are football and baseball.

Knicks fan eh?

[hbktonyb]

Knicks fan eh?

:lol:lol

Its so true...I was such a huge fan of the NBA when we had Ewing, Starks, Oakley, Mason, etc...I can honestly say I haven't watched a knick game in years, I stick to college bball and watch Lebron and Kobe when I get the chance.

[Trippin4136]

I'm not sure how it works but football and baseball are not the only sports. The C's won in 08 and Beantown has 6 total this decade.

and we also need to take into consideration the NY has multiple teams in each sport. So Bostons Win % as far as rings go the past 10 years trumps NY's easily. I really don't know what the criteria is for Titletown though.

Nobody gives a rat fuck about the NBA.

NBA = filling dead air in the MLB/NFL/CFB offseasons.

[rickyh24]

Nobody gives a rat fuck about the NBA.

NBA = filling dead air in the MLB/NFL/CFB offseasons.

:lol :lol

Just because you don't care does not mean nobody does. It's pretty ignorant to think that. :freak

[Trippin4136]

:lol :lol

Just because you don't care does not mean nobody does. It's pretty ignorant to think that. :freak

Here's the current state of the NBA.

The Lakers, Cavs, Celtics, Magic, Spurs...

25 other meaningless teams.

And by those five teams, I mean...Kobe, Lebron, KG, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan and 350 other meaningless players.

[hbktonyb]

Exactly...to me, the NBA is only worth watching for Lebron and Kobe.

[stayorleave83]

uh oh looks like boras is sitrring the pot trying to get damon a multi year dear along the likes of jeter. check out today's ny post.

[hbktonyb]

CHICAGO — We now return to the business portion of the program.

The Yankees were hoping all the joy associated with being a champion Yankee would motivate Johnny Damon to accept a one- or, at the most, two-year deal to return.

However, his representative, Scott Boras, flushed the notion of a hometown bargain. Instead, he compared his client to Derek Jeter and sounded as if he wants a three- or four-year deal for Damon.

Damon has just concluded a four-year deal worth $13 million per year, and generally Boras does not want his clients to take pay cuts.

New York Yankees' Derek Jeter (L) and Johnny Damon
If that is indeed the case, then the Yankees and Damon are heading for divorce. The Yankees are concerned about how Damon’s desire and body will hold up during another long-term contract. They also have overall concerns about tying up too many thirtysomething players long-term and facing an aging cataclysm around 2012-13. The Yanks, in fact, might not want to offer Damon even a two-year deal.

“We agree that Johnny is a tremendous player,” general manager Brian Cashman said when faced with Boras’ case. “He’s had a huge impact on our offense. Where we go moving forward is still to be seen.”

Boras laid out three major reasons why Damon deserves significant long-term dollars:

1. By hitting second, Damon not only thrived, but enabled Jeter to have one of his best seasons. Boras said the Yanks should look at the duo together as an engine to the lineup.

“That is a 1-2 combo that relied on one another,” Boras said.

2. Boras argued Damon’s past three seasons equate well with the past three seasons for Jeter, and so whatever the Yanks are intending to do with Jeter long-term (likely extending him for three or four years after next season) Damon deserves similar consideration.

Over the last three years, Damon has an .813 OPS with 53 homers and 68 steals compared to .829/41/56 for Jeter. Damon, 36, is seven months older than Jeter. Boras also said the Yanks gave Jorge Posada a four-year extension when Posada was about to enter his age-36 season.

Jeter and Posada play more valuable positions, and Jeter is an iconic player in Yankee history.

3. Boras argues Damon has historic durability and “the body of a 30-year-old.” Damon has played 140 or more games in 14 straight seasons. The only players who have done that more frequently are Hank Aaron, Brooks Robinson and Pete Rose (16 straight years) and Willie Mays (15).

“Greg Maddux was the unique pitcher when it came to durability,” Boras said of another client. “And [Damon] is the Greg Maddux of position players when it comes to durability.”

The Yankees worry, however, that the amount of games already has begun to chip away at Damon’s body and makes him more likely to break down in the near future.

The Yankees intend to either pick up Sergio Mitre’s $1.25 million option by next week’s deadline or offer him arbitration, whichever they perceive as less costly, The Post has learned.

Mitre was just 3-3 with a 6.79 ERA after returning from Tommy John surgery. But the Yanks feel he will be better in 2010 and is an asset for either rotation depth, long relief or to use in a trade.

The Yanks are hoping that among Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Mitre, Chad Gaudin, Ian Kennedy and Alfredo Aceves they can create rotation depth.

As for Chien-Ming Wang, his agent, Alan Nero, said surgeon James Andrews cleared the righty to throw beginning on Dec. 1, and that he could be ready by mid-April or early May to pitch in regular-season games after shoulder surgery.

However, Yankee doctors have not seen Wang and the team plans on non-tendering the righty rather than risk paying a minimum of $4 million for him in 2010. The Yanks will then consider if he is worth offering a low-base, incentive-laden contract to return.

[hbktonyb]

Some people reported that Damon already told Boras that he will take a 2 year deal to return to the Yankees, b/c he loved playing there so much.

[crashintome202]

i wouldnt give damon anything more than 2 years. if he wants 3-4 let him walk and go after holliday

[hbktonyb]

Agreed. Damon is not at the point where he should get 3 or 4 years. Its a joke that he wants him to get a deal like Jeter will get. Jeter is a 36 year old SS gold glover who batted .334 this past year.

[stayorleave83]

Agreed. Damon is not at the point where he should get 3 or 4 years. Its a joke that he wants him to get a deal like Jeter will get. Jeter is a 36 year old SS gold glover who batted .334 this past year.

Except Boras will have you believe that it's to the credit of Damon. Hopefully this is nothing more than Boras blowing smoke to get on the back cover of a slow sports news day.

[crashintome202]

Except Boras will have you believe that it's to the credit of Damon. Hopefully this is nothing more than Boras blowing smoke to get on the back cover of a slow sports news day.
yankees shouldnt be intimidated by boras after the whole arod re-signing adventure. kick him out and let it be damon talking directly with the yankees

[Crush086]

Comparing Damon to Jeter? lol

I wouldn't mind Johnny for a 2 year deal, but Boras is crazy if he thinks he can pull off a 3-4 deal with the Yankees now. A few years ago when they were making questionable decisions with some of their signings and had 8 DHs (lol) he might've, but the Yanks have smartened up too much to swing for this I think.

Besides, Boras is a turd.

[hbktonyb]

I think Johnny should get 2, but his defense is declining by the year. after 2 years he will be a DH only.

[hbktonyb]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/11/yankees.halladay/index.html

IMO, worth trading Joba, Kennedy and Jackson for him...

[jmudmbphan]

losing jackson will hurt...but I think I agree...

[rickyh24]

I'm sure the Jays will be quick to jump on any offer that has Joba as the centerpiece :lol

[crashintome202]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/11/yankees.halladay/index.html

IMO, worth trading Joba, Kennedy and Jackson for him...
i'd do that deal now but its going to take more to get halladay plus i dont think he'll end up in the division.
i'd rather sign lackey than trade for halladay too

[rickyh24]

i'd do that deal now but its going to take more to get halladay plus i dont think he'll end up in the division.
i'd rather sign lackey than trade for halladay too

Toronto's GM already said he is just looking for the best deal for the teams future. He doesn't care about trading him in the division.

[hbktonyb]

I think Joba or Hughes/Jackson/Kennedy and another pitcher like Mitre would be a good deal.

[rickyh24]

No one wants your Chubster.

[crashintome202]

I think Joba or Hughes/Jackson/Kennedy and another pitcher like Mitre would be a good deal.
yea for us but the jays are going to try and get everything out of this they can.

[hbktonyb]

Jays will probably want Joba, Hughes, Jackson and Kennedy.

[Trippin4136]

Jays will probably want Joba, Hughes, Jackson and Kennedy.

I think the Jays would want Joba and/or Hughes, Montero and another young pitcher....Banuelos or McAllister.

[hbktonyb]

Cashman has to be an idiot...already saying he sees Joba and Hughes in the rotation next year. Already getting me fired up for '10.

[rickyh24]

Cashman has to be an idiot...already saying he sees Joba and Hughes in the rotation next year. Already getting me fired up for '10.

:lol:lol:lol

[ProudestAnt]

I just love knowing that the Sox have the ability to top any offer the Yanks can throw at the Jays for Halladay...

[rickyh24]

I just love knowing that the Sox have the ability to top any offer the Yanks can throw at the Jays for Halladay...

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[ProudestAnt]

Can you imagine being in a room where the Yanks try to put Joba in as the centerpiece to a deal.

"Alright boys, we're ready to deal Doc, whatcha got for us?"

"Well we've got A, B, C and D, but the real selling point here...are you ready for it...we're prepared to offer...Joba"

"Get the fuck out of my office"

[rickyh24]

:lol

[thebestauntie]

Sometimes I really like you Ryan. :lol

[hbktonyb]

:lol Joba...ughh

[Ascf33]

If that's what keeps your spirits up till next year, so be it.

[hbktonyb]

:bounce:multi:bounce:bounce:multi:bounce

2009
World
Champions
The New York Yankees

:multi:bounce:multi:multi:bounce:multi

[Trippin4136]

Can you imagine being in a room where the Yanks try to put Joba in as the centerpiece to a deal.

"Alright boys, we're ready to deal Doc, whatcha got for us?"

"Well we've got A, B, C and D, but the real selling point here...are you ready for it...we're prepared to offer...Joba"

"Get the fuck out of my office"

Montero is better than any bat the Sox could offer. And that goes a long way.

[milo420dmb]

I just love knowing that the Sox have the ability to top any offer the Yanks can throw at the Jays for Halladay...

they may have the ability but would they?

they already failed once trying to acquire him, no? (not sarcasm)

[ProudestAnt]

they may have the ability but would they?

they already failed once trying to acquire him, no? (not sarcasm)
Only because the Jays turned the offer down. The Sox threw the farm at them. I don't think Ricardi had any intention of moving Doc at that time, regardless of the offer...

[ProudestAnt]

Montero is better than any bat the Sox could offer. And that goes a long way.
The Jays are looking for pitching first and foremost. A big-league ready bat would be secondary. The Sox have much more pitching to offer (high-level, low-level, starters and bullpen guys alike)...

[Trippin4136]

The Jays are looking for pitching first and foremost. A big-league ready bat would be secondary. The Sox have much more pitching to offer (high-level, low-level, starters and bullpen guys alike)...

The Red Sox pitching depth is not as deep as perceived. Who are their top guys? Bowden? Tazawa? They both got exposed. The Sox have indicated they won't trade Bard (which I don't understand).

Then after that who is there? Pimentel? Doubrount? These guys aren't world beaters...

[crashintome202]

lets just hope the dodgers give up everything in a week so this halladay crap can be over with

[ProudestAnt]

The Red Sox pitching depth is not as deep as perceived. Who are their top guys? Bowden? Tazawa? They both got exposed. The Sox have indicated they won't trade Bard (which I don't understand).

Then after that who is there? Pimentel? Doubrount? These guys aren't world beaters...
Taz wasn't supposed to be in the majors until next season at the soonest. He was forced into that role because of injuries. Delcarmen, Bard, Paps, Taz, and Kelly are all solid players who would be available for trade. Also, Pimentel is only 19, so it's quite unfair to label him as "not a world-beater" just yet...

[hbktonyb]

Taz wasn't supposed to be in the majors until next season at the soonest. He was forced into that role because of injuries. Delcarmen, Bard, Paps, Taz, and Kelly are all solid players who would be available for trade. Also, Pimentel is only 19, so it's quite unfair to label him as "not a world-beater" just yet...

:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

:lol:lol

I don't get it.

[Crush086]

I don't get it.
He sucks in the postseason! Surely you didn't miss the monumental collapse that ended their season, right?

[rickyh24]

He sucks in the postseason! Surely you didn't miss the monumental collapse that ended their season, right?

Oh ok he had a bad inning so of course no one would be interested in him. :thumbsup I get it now.

[hbktonyb]

Oh ok he had a bad inning so of course no one would be interested in him. :thumbsup I get it now.

You got it!

Papsssssss blolololololollolololol

Joba > Papsh

[rickyh24]

You got it!

Papsssssss blolololololollolololol

Joba > Papsh

blolololololol is right.

[hbktonyb]

Paps won't be dancing for a while.

[Lcsulla]

Not sure Papelbon is an ideal trading chip. I think a GM might see him as too big a risk given his history of one year deals and desire for a benchmark contract - for a closer.

[Trippin4136]

I linked it before, but I just looked at it again and well...this pic is pure gold.

Swisher :lol

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2669/wsswisher.jpg

[hbktonyb]

How did Swisher end up like that?? There is no one around him! :lol

[Lcsulla]

I know it is a horseshit award but what does a guy have to do to win manager of the year?

Take a team that didn't qualify the year before to the playoffs?
Do a good job smoothing out clubhouse problems?
Win the toughest division in baseball?
Lead the league in wins?
Lead the majors in wins?
Breeze through the ALDS at the expense of another guy under consideration?
Beat his biggest competitor in the ALCS?
Win the World Series?

Good god. Not a knock on Scoscia but it isn't like the Angels are a small market team and he should get an advantage that way. Isn't like he turned around a team. He didn't lead the league in wins despite playing in a division easier to dominate.

Yeah, Yanks have the ring but I think Girardi got hosed here, at the VERY least he should have finished a close second.

[ProudestAnt]

With all of the Angels injuries, I totally understand the decision...

[hbktonyb]

A Yankee manager will never win manager of the year, because certain people will not vote for a guy with a $200M payroll.

Besides, Girardi sucks.

[rickyh24]

My Jack Russell could have managed this team to a championship.

[hbktonyb]

Girardi did nothing to really help the team. What decision did he make that was good? Burnett on 3 days? terrible. Replacing Robertson? terrible. etc...etc...

[mr. testaverde]

i thought i'd bump this thread up with these two pics my dad sent me in an email...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/mfpukala11/Newimproved.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/mfpukala11/Original.jpg

[rickyh24]

Apparently the Yankees are willing to part with Joba or Hughes to get Halladay!! Omgzzzz!!

[hbktonyb]

Shocking

[crashintome202]

depending on the package, i might be opening to trading one of them. i guess they want to keep jackson though... idk about that one

i'd like to see the yankees sign one of sheets, harden, or bedard. all will probably take 1 year deals worth a few million and all have great upside if they can stay healthy.

[hbktonyb]

Open to trading 1? It will take both plus Jackson to get a pitcher like Halladay. ONly way the Yankees do it is if their deal keeps the Sox from getting him.

[rickyh24]

Ya I would probably be open to trading Joba too. :lol

[hbktonyb]

I'll give you guys Joba and package a million dollars if you take him off our hands!

[crashintome202]

Open to trading 1? It will take both plus Jackson to get a pitcher like Halladay. ONly way the Yankees do it is if their deal keeps the Sox from getting him.
agreed on both parts. im not that interested in halladay because of his price. i'd rather get some middle of the rotation starters and spend the money that would be for halladay's extension to get holliday.

[ProudestAnt]

Yankees will not be offering arbitration to Johnny Damon (A) Hideki Matsui (neither) or Andy Pettite (B)...

[crashintome202]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594

section about the yankees talks about how they're looking at (or will be) all the top shelf relievers this offseason... lyon, valverde, soriano etc. it all depends on what they do with hughes/chamberlain and whether they sign or trade for a starer.

[hbktonyb]

Burnett lobbying for Doc, obviously.

[Lcsulla]

Please, ship Joba out in a trade. He is worthless.

I am more concerned with them packaging Montero than Jackson myself. Tougher to replace.

[hbktonyb]

Montero, Jackson, Joba for Halladay...done deal pal.

[rickyh24]

No one wants Joba.

[crashintome202]

keep joba and dont trade him while his value is at its lowest.

[hbktonyb]

Joba for Julio Franco, straight up.

[rickyh24]

:lol

[Lcsulla]

World series DVD is fun if anyone is interested. I enjoyed it, longer than usual, lots of special features. Sort of off though because the full AB's for special features have no audio - not even sterling.

and completely random. I have to replace my wind pants for softball next year due to the huge hole in the knee I slide on. Finally decided to suck it up and get some real sliding pants and the things are more expensive than I thought. Ended up going through Steiner as odd as that sounds. Turns out John Monteleone was same measurements as I am. Got a game used pair of road grays for about $25 less than I would have paid for a less well made pair at a sports shop so I will beat those to hell for a few seasons. :lol

[hbktonyb]

Yankees gearing up their offer to the Blue Jays. Montero, Austin Jackson, and their pick between Joba/Hughes.

Yay or Nay?

[spoot388]

nay


don't throw away the future for the now when you can already win now with what you have. if we had another season like 08, i'd say ok, but we won it all last year. no reason we can't do it again. and acouple years down the road, we should have some young guys who filled in the gaps the old ones left.

[hbktonyb]

I hear ya, but I say yay. Halladay and CC will dominate the top of this rotation for the next 5 years, AJ is a great #3. They are putting themselves in a great position to win for the next 3-5 years, and at that time, they will hopefully have new prospects ready to trade.

[rickyh24]

Pick between Joba/Hughes :lol

[rickyh24]

So they are cutting payroll an going after Halladay??? Ok then.

[crashintome202]

i heard thats what the jays wanted not what the yankees had offered. that's a bad deal for the yankees imo and i can't see them dealing for halladay because his contract will cost too much

[spoot388]

I hear ya, but I say yay. Halladay and CC will dominate the top of this rotation for the next 5 years, AJ is a great #3. They are putting themselves in a great position to win for the next 3-5 years, and at that time, they will hopefully have new prospects ready to trade.


true, but we're still going to need position players. Halladay is going to command a hug salary like CC. i know the yankees CAN sign him and anybody else they wanted to, but even they know their payroll is getting out of hand.

if they trade Jackson and Montero, who are they going to get to fill in those spots? Posada is going to be done soon. are the yankees just going to throw money at Mauer too next year and then wait for Sizemore to become a free agent?

[rickyh24]

are the yankees just going to throw money at Mauer too next year and then wait for Sizemore to become a free agent?

Yes they probably are.

[hbktonyb]

The Yankees will offer record breaking contract for Mauer, but unfortunately I don't think he will reach free agency. He's an idiot if he doesn't.

[hbktonyb]

i heard thats what the jays wanted not what the yankees had offered. that's a bad deal for the yankees imo and i can't see them dealing for halladay because his contract will cost too much

There's no such thing as too much for the Yankees. Their profit this year was supposedly astronomical, more than they thought. They made so much money on their new concessions and stores.

I think that was the asking price, not bad if you ask me. 2 prospects that haven't played in the majors yet, and 1 MLB ready pitcher that you are not sure will ever be that good.

[crashintome202]

There's no such thing as too much for the Yankees. Their profit this year was supposedly astronomical, more than they thought. They made so much money on their new concessions and stores.

I think that was the asking price, not bad if you ask me. 2 prospects that haven't played in the majors yet, and 1 MLB ready pitcher that you are not sure will ever be that good.
there is a limit- 2005 offseason the yankees opted to trade for randy johnson instead of signing beltran. cashman said they couldnt afford both because they already had the highest payroll ever at the time.
olney says they want the payroll to be around 190-200 million this year with room to move. halladay would certianly be a reason to increase playroll but at his trade price plus new contract its pushing it imo. if the asking price fell i think they'd jump its just too much.

[spoot388]

would have been nice to have beltran right now.i know he's had some down years with the mets and hasn't lived up to the hype completely, but he's still a 25 HR 100 RBI center fielder with a good glove. imagine having that 5th in the order between Tex, ARod, and Posada. but no, we had to go after the 40 year old pitcher instead of the 27 year old CF in his prime.

[rickyh24]

The Yankees will offer record breaking contract for Mauer

There's no such thing as too much for the Yankees.

:multi:multi

[hbktonyb]

When you bring in as much as the Yankees (and Red Sox), no reason not to spend it.

[crashintome202]

apparently halladay wants to train in florida so all west coast teams are out of the question

[crashintome202]

Here is some good news for free-agent right-handers John Lackey, Rich Harden and Joel Pineiro and maybe even left-hander Randy Wolf:

The Yankees will be calling, if they haven't already.

The team's first priority, according to major-league sources, is to re-sign free-agent lefty Andy Pettitte. The Yankees also will be involved in trade discussions for Blue Jays right-hander Roy Halladay. But as they pursue those options, they will explore the rest of the free-agent market for starting pitchers.

Many in the industry expect the Yankees to sign at least one free-agent reliever, but club officials decided at the team's recent meetings to focus on starters first, sources said.

Wolf would seem a longshot; he has spent his entire career in the National League. Pineiro, too, probably is not high on the Yankees' list; his resurgence with the Cardinals last season occurred only after a five-year slide.

Lackey, though, would represent a strong alternative to Halladay. Harden, too, possesses dominant stuff when healthy; he already is drawing interest from the Red Sox and Mariners. -- Ken Rosenthal

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594

[rickyh24]

When you bring in as much as the Yankees (and Red Sox), no reason not to spend it.

A payroll above 200 is just absurd. At a certain point it becomes too much and just plain not good for the game.

[hbktonyb]

A payroll above 200 is just absurd. At a certain point it becomes too much and just plain not good for the game.

Maybe it is not good for the game, but as long as they are within the rules, why not spend it.

[rickyh24]

Maybe it is not good for the game, but as long as they are within the rules, why not spend it.

I agree. It just gets absurd imo. When the team that won the WS is still the team signing all the big name free agents it just kind of makes you shake your head. Nothing you can do about it though. It is part of the game.

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, I completely agree that it is absurd. Unfortunately, it will never change. What they need to do is require that the money given to other teams is used to spend on payroll, and not go into the owner's pockets.

[rickyh24]

Yeah, I completely agree that it is absurd. Unfortunately, it will never change. What they need to do is require that the money given to other teams is used to spend on payroll, and not go into the owner's pockets.

:thumbsup The owners on the bottom of the hill are just as bad for the game as the ones on the top. Probably even worse for it actually.

[crashintome202]

kevin towers may be headed to the yankees :)

[Lcsulla]

Yankees gearing up their offer to the Blue Jays. Montero, Austin Jackson, and their pick between Joba/Hughes.

Yay or Nay?

Rather not give up Montero, has a lot of potential - could be a Weiters type catcher.

[DavefaninNZ]

would have been nice to have beltran right now.i know he's had some down years with the mets and hasn't lived up to the hype completely, but he's still a 25 HR 100 RBI center fielder with a good glove. imagine having that 5th in the order between Tex, ARod, and Posada. but no, we had to go after the 40 year old pitcher instead of the 27 year old CF in his prime.

I think the bigger gaffe was signing Sheffield instead of Vlad. I still scratch my head at that one.

[milo420dmb]

would you give up Joba, Jackson, and Montero for Halladay? Assuming the Yanks would end up signing him to a long(er) contact?

[hbktonyb]

I think the bigger gaffe was signing Sheffield instead of Vlad. I still scratch my head at that one.

That was strictly a Steinbrenner move, Cashman did not want Sheffield if I'm not mistaken.

would you give up Joba, Jackson, and Montero for Halladay? Assuming the Yanks would end up signing him to a long(er) contact?

Yes. To have the chance to have CC and Halladay at the top for the next 5 years is too good to pass up.

[crashintome202]

would you give up Joba, Jackson, and Montero for Halladay? Assuming the Yanks would end up signing him to a long(er) contact?
i dont want to give up montero. im fine with dealing one of joba/hughes plus jackson but dont want to trade him

[thestand]

Halladay has been a workhorse on a shitty team. That has been the basis for many many failures in the past. Montero is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. I'd rather give up Melky than Montero, easily.

[rickyh24]

i dont want to give up montero. im fine with dealing one of joba/hughes plus jackson but dont want to trade him

No way Joba/Hughes + Jackson lands Halladay.

[crashintome202]

No way Joba/Hughes + Jackson lands Halladay.
oh i agree im just saying im fine with giving them up, just not montero. without montero it'd cost 2 more good prospects

[hbktonyb]

Rumors that Yankees will offer Wang/Kennedy/Montero/Jackson (mlb network), although I'm not sure about the Wang thing.

[rickyh24]

Rumors that Yankees will offer Wang/Kennedy/Montero/Jackson (mlb network), although I'm not sure about the Wang thing.

:lol Wang!!!


How about Wang, Joba and Nick Johnson. I heard the Jays wanted a bat.

[crashintome202]

Rumors that Yankees will offer Wang/Kennedy/Montero/Jackson (mlb network), although I'm not sure about the Wang thing.
definitely like that more than giving up hughes/joba. still dont want to see montero in the mix

[DavefaninNZ]

definitely like that more than giving up hughes/joba. still dont want to see montero in the mix
:lol C'mon, you think Toronto's just going to give up Halladay without getting at least 2 top prospects from the yanks? If you're lucky, maybe Cashman can pull a fast one and trade Swisher and a bucket of balls for Halladay.

If you really want Halladay on your team, you can't have reservations about giving up at least 2 of Montero/Hughes/Joba/Jackson.

[hbktonyb]

I think Cash is willing to part with montero and jackson, he really wants to keep Joba and Hughes. Wang, Montero, Jackson and Kennedy could do it.

[crashintome202]

:lol C'mon, you think Toronto's just going to give up Halladay without getting at least 2 top prospects from the yanks? If you're lucky, maybe Cashman can pull a fast one and trade Swisher and a bucket of balls for Halladay.

If you really want Halladay on your team, you can't have reservations about giving up at least 2 of Montero/Hughes/Joba/Jackson.
i've said all along im fine with jackson and one of hughes/joba. i dont want to give up montero...

andy has officially decided to pitch next year and already turned down the yankees 10 million dollar offer:rolleyes. yankees are supposed to sign him this week for a little more than that.

[Ascf33]

INDIANAPOLIS -- The first step is complete for free agent left-hander Andy Pettitte's return to the world champion New York Yankees next season as they seek to repeat.

Pettitte, who has indicated a preference to play for the Yankees if he came back for a 16th season, has decided to pitch in 2010, major league sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney at baseball's winter meetings.

For the 37-year-old left-hander, it's now just a matter of working out a deal with the Yankees, the sources told Olney Monday morning.

Pettitte was 14-8 with a 4.16 ERA in helping propel the Yankees to their 27th World Series championship, bringing his career record to 229-135 with a 3.91 ERA.

He went 4-0 in five starts in the postseason with a 3.52 ERA.

With 458 career starts, Pettitte has spent all but three seasons with the Yankees. He played for the Astros from 2004-06.

[hbktonyb]

Yessssssssssss, my boy will be back!!!

FYI, in case anyone forgot: Andy went 4-0 in five starts in the postseason with a 3.52 ERA.

[hbktonyb]

There is every expectation they will be able to sign him, as it is well known he wants to be in New York. The Yankees are expected to make an offer of slightly more than $10 million to Pettitte today.

[ProudestAnt]

Of course they'll be able to sign him. NY is the only place he will play. It's just an insulting offer for him IMO. $10 mil? He made that last season after incentives. After what he did for you in the playoffs, dude should get at least 12 before incentives...

[hbktonyb]

Yup...why do the Yankees insist on insulting this guy. he's a horse.

[crashintome202]

• Johnny Damon is another Yankees priority and they are expected to offer about $20 million over two years to keep him. Yankees' backup plans are: for pitcher, Pineiro and Wolf; and for outfielder, Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye, Curtis Granderson and possibly Byrd.

sounds like a decent deal for damon. i think he comes back maybe at a little more than 10 a year. pineiro and wolf would get lit up in the AL East...wouldn't mind granderson at all

[hbktonyb]

Either they pay Damon a 2-year premium, or they give him $30 for 3 (IMO). I think he really wants to come back, but they gotta deal with Boras.

[ProudestAnt]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports right-handed reliever Brian Bruney has been traded to the Nationals for a player to be named later.

Bruney finished the 2009 season with a 3.92 ERA, 1.51 WHIP and 36/23 K/BB in 39 innings of relief. The 27-year-old was also linked to the Braves this winter. He'll take on a setup role in Washington.

[Ascf33]

Curtis Granderson would be a huge upgrade.

[hbktonyb]

Thank God, I haaaaaaaate Bruney.

[crashintome202]

its bout time they got rid of the man who walks half the world

[crashintome202]

mark derosa's agent is going to talk to cashman later this week

[crashintome202]

the tigers want hughes and jackson for granderson! hahaha they'd be lucky to get jackson

[hbktonyb]

Now thats funny.

[crashintome202]

The D'Backs pushed for a blockbuster three-way deal with the Yankees and Tigers today, only to see one of those two teams veto it, according to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. However, the teams are discussing the following scenario.

The deal would send Curtis Granderson to the Yanks, along with a prospect or two from the D'Backs. Arizona would obtain Edwin Jackson from the Tigers and Ian Kennedy from the Yankees. The Tigers would obtain Max Scherzer from the D'Backs and Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yanks.

Talks are apparently at an "impasse" now, though the D'Backs continue to push for a trade.


i'd do that deal. seems like the yankees have spent much of the day trying to get granderson

[Ascf33]

Yeah that is a great deal.

[stayorleave83]

The D'Backs pushed for a blockbuster three-way deal with the Yankees and Tigers today, only to see one of those two teams veto it, according to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. However, the teams are discussing the following scenario.

The deal would send Curtis Granderson to the Yanks, along with a prospect or two from the D'Backs. Arizona would obtain Edwin Jackson from the Tigers and Ian Kennedy from the Yankees. The Tigers would obtain Max Scherzer from the D'Backs and Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yanks.

Talks are apparently at an "impasse" now, though the D'Backs continue to push for a trade.


i'd do that deal. seems like the yankees have spent much of the day trying to get granderson

I don't like this deal. I don't know if it's because Granderson strikes out too much or what but I don't have a good feeling about it.

[hbktonyb]

I do not want to get rid of Austin Jackson to get Granderson...Terrible deal.

[stayorleave83]

I do not want to get rid of Austin Jackson to get Granderson...Terrible deal.

I agree. Sure you know what your are getting with Granderson and Jackson's production in the major league level is unknown but if the Tigers are that desparate to shed payroll why give up such a good prospect?

[hbktonyb]

Exactly, and Granderson played worse last year than he did the year before...I'm not a fan of him. Last year, only 12 sb's in 141 games. .280 BA. For that production, I'm fine with Gardner/Melky until Jackson is ready. And just save Jackson for the Halladay deal.

[Trippin4136]

Granderson is also putrid v. LHP