View Full Version : Live Trax 4 Watchtower fills?
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 02:25 PM
What does dave play inbetween verses? When he hits the high notes. Its pretty much a solo then he goes back into singing. I have figured out somthing that sounds similar but maybe some tabs for help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks:thumbsup
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 02:50 PM
inbetween verses? i have no idea what you're talking about. are you talking about at 3:35, or somewhere else?
bubba40
07-03-2006, 05:03 PM
Yeah, I'm really curious about these too. Obviously some variation of Am, G, and F, but I really am not sure.
unccrombie
07-03-2006, 05:08 PM
post some audio?
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 05:15 PM
ok, i have a tapers pull so ill up it.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 05:18 PM
ok, i have a tapers pull so ill up it.
or you could just tell me what the time is for the part you want figured out.
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 05:18 PM
inbetween verses? i have no idea what you're talking about. are you talking about at 3:35, or somewhere else?
yeah
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 05:18 PM
yeah its at the 335
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 05:19 PM
well i upped it anyways so for anyone who wants the tapers pull here ya go
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=BF3AFC3706108228
navajow
07-03-2006, 06:30 PM
they are alternate F and G chords. just strum them fast. i hope this is what you are talking about b/c i cant listen to the song here at work.
F G
e---8-----10
B---6-----8
G---0-----0
D---7-----9
A---8-----10
E---X-----X
Sugarwill41
07-03-2006, 07:11 PM
they are alternate F and G chords. just strum them fast. i hope this is what you are talking about b/c i cant listen to the song here at work.
F G
e---8-----10
B---6-----8
G---0-----0
D---7-----9
A---8-----10
E---X-----X
thanks, that sounds close, if nto perfect
He used to play x32010 and slide up to x54030, C to D not F to G
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:15 PM
He used to play x32010 and slide up to x54030, C to D not F to G
that makes absolutely no sense, and isn't even in the correct key.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:15 PM
they are alternate F and G chords. just strum them fast. i hope this is what you are talking about b/c i cant listen to the song here at work.
F G
e---8-----10
B---6-----8
G---0-----0
D---7-----9
A---8-----10
E---X-----X
this is correct.
Who says it has to be in the same key? Watch some old videos and see for yourself.
unccrombie
07-03-2006, 07:31 PM
Who says it has to be in the same key? Watch some old videos and see for yourself.
generally dmb doesnt switch song keys during songs. and anything not in the same key would sound out of tune. give me a video reference and ill let ya know
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:33 PM
Who says it has to be in the same key? Watch some old videos and see for yourself.
:lol :lol
why would he play something that's not in the right key? you'd hear the F# note in the D chord that would clearly be wrong.
if you'd watch the videos, you'd see that he was playing the Fmaj7 ---> G chords (x-x-3-2-1-0) - (x-x-5-4-3-0), which are virtually the same as what is tabbed above, but in a position that dave doesn't often play.
playing a C and a D would make absolutely no sense within the structure of the song. even a C and Dm, which would actually be within the right key, still wouldn't make any sense. please stop talking about things that you have no knowledge of, and then getting pissy about it when someone shows that you are incorrect.
You know how many DMB songs have chromatic, "non key" tones? Don't be a fucking moron. I guess he really isn't playing that C in the Billies verse cause there's no C in A major, right? Cause Dave's such a theory buff. The Recently refrain, he's not playing a A major AND A minor right after the other, he can't be! They aren't in the same key!
It's a slide from C to D, watch a video if you don't believe me. If you really want to get into theory, the D is a secondary dominant chord (the V of V). Or are you not up to that chapter yet?
Old Jam
E:-0-----3-----1-------------
B:-1-----0-----1------1---3--
G:-2-----0-----2------x---x--
D:-2-----0-----3------2---4--
A:-0-----2-----3------3---5--
E:-------3-----1/------------
http://www.dmbtabs.com/song.php?sid=12
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:41 PM
You know how many DMB songs have chromatic, "non key" tones? Don't be a fucking moron. I guess he really isn't playing that C in the Billies verse cause there's no C in A major, right? Cause Dave's such a theory buff. The Recently refrain, he's not playing a A major AND A minor right after the other, he can't be! They aren't in the same key!
It's a slide from C to D, watch a video if you don't believe me. If you really want to get into theory, the D is a secondary dominant chord (the V of V). Or are you not up to that chapter yet?
Old Jam
E:-0-----3-----1-------------
B:-1-----0-----1------1---3--
G:-2-----0-----2------x---x--
D:-2-----0-----3------2---4--
A:-0-----2-----3------3---5--
E:-------3-----1/------------
http://www.dmbtabs.com/song.php?sid=12
you're not really this stupid, right? i mean, this whole thread you've been trying to play a joke, yes?
find the video or an audio of it.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:45 PM
oh, wait, you're not talking about that part? you're talking about on versions like recently?
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:46 PM
man, it had been THAT long since i'd listened to them do this song - especially the old versions. i remember being annoyed that he played that part. crazy.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 07:55 PM
E:-------------------------
B:-------------------------
G:-------------------------
D:-------------------------
A:-------------------------
E:--5--------3--------1----
WATCHTOWER!!
Those are the domain notes, dave plays various versions of those 3 notes/chords. He doesn't do anything outside of those 3 except for the occasional C. He would never ever slide up to a D because the F# would create catastrophy. If he played maybe a Dsus2 or Dsus4, that would make more sense if he ever did anything so out of line.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 07:57 PM
E:-------------------------
B:-------------------------
G:-------------------------
D:-------------------------
A:-------------------------
E:--5--------3--------1----
WATCHTOWER!!
Those are the domain notes, dave plays various versions of those 3 notes/chords. He doesn't do anything outside of those 3 except for the occasional C. He would never ever slide up to a D because the F# would create catastrophy. If he played maybe a Dsus2 or Dsus4, that would make more sense if he ever did anything so out of line.
no, i was incorrect - in some old versions, including the recently version, he plays the D. i remember that it used to bug the hell out of me. shows how much i listen to the band these days. :lol
but again, there's a reason you don't see him doing this anymore. now he knows better.
What is with you people? Dave plays non-diatonic notes in pretty much every song. Name any song and I'll point out a note(s) that "creates catastrophe".
Nakedguy, yes I am referring to older versions of Watchtower, I haven't listened to this audio yet. I will now.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:01 PM
What is with you people? Dave plays non-diatonic notes in pretty much every song. Name any song and I'll point out a note(s) that "creates catastrophe".
Nakedguy, yes I am referring to older versions of Watchtower, I haven't listened to this audio yet. I will now.
it's not as frequent as you're pretending it is, and that's also something that he writes with a lot. this is a cover that's strict with the key, so it's a different story. and again, as he has grown, the frequency has softened.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:01 PM
no, i was incorrect - in some old versions, including the recently version, he plays the D. i remember that it used to bug the hell out of me. shows how much i listen to the band these days. :lol
but again, there's a reason you don't see him doing this anymore. now he knows better.
the question is why would he play this? just because he does it in song jane likes doesn't mean it works for every song. I'm listening to an older version right now and I'm a little flabergasted. He has very smart people that he plays with, couldn't they have told him that that doesn't work?
bubba40
07-03-2006, 08:02 PM
What is with you people? Dave plays non-diatonic notes in pretty much every song. Name any song and I'll point out a note(s) that "creates catastrophe".
Nakedguy, yes I am referring to older versions of Watchtower, I haven't listened to this audio yet. I will now.
The guitar part of #41 is entirely in G Major, correct?
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:02 PM
The guitar part of #41 is entirely in G Major, correct?
basically.
bubba40
07-03-2006, 08:04 PM
basically.
No, isn't it completely, 100% in G? I looked at every note of the tab a few days ago, and it is.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:04 PM
What is with you people? Dave plays non-diatonic notes in pretty much every song. Name any song and I'll point out a note(s) that "creates catastrophe".
Nakedguy, yes I am referring to older versions of Watchtower, I haven't listened to this audio yet. I will now.
well, it wouldn't create ctastrophe, it's just the fact that it's not even his song and that is why I was surprised he would do something like that.
and especially within such a simple structure of a song.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:06 PM
No, isn't it completely, 100% in G? I looked at every note of the tab a few days ago, and it is.
is this you disproving his statement or something?
bubba40
07-03-2006, 08:08 PM
is this you disproving his statement or something?
All I'm saying is that the entire guitar part of #41 is in G Major. This dude knows what he's talking about.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:08 PM
I'm not saying Dave doesn't use non-diatonic notes, because he does, I'm just saying that I'm not sure why he would in Watchtower, because that would sound very stupid.
but I guess he did, and he has learned better since then.
No, isn't it completely, 100% in G? I looked at every note of the tab a few days ago, and it is.
Ahh damn you got me. MOST have non-diatonic notes though.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:09 PM
All I'm saying is that the entire guitar part of #41 is in G Major. This dude knows what he's talking about.
sarcasm isn't suited for the internet.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Ahh damn you got me. MOST have non-diatonic notes though.
list the ones that are in a solid, standard key, that have them.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:13 PM
isn't Ants in F# or am I sadly mistaken.
I can't really remember.
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:15 PM
isn't Ants in F# or am I sadly mistaken.
I can't really remember.
it's in D.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:19 PM
it's in D.
Yeah I was really trying to think, I could only imagine in my mind playing on the E string F#....F# F# G....F#.....F# F# G
but I guess D makes sense.
For anyone asking why he would play it, I'd assume for the same reason he'd play anything else: it sounds good. Sometimes the right off key note is the perfect ntoe to use. Blues and jazz are based on altering chord tones to create a dissonance which you later resolve. If you left a non-key note just hanging out in mid air it would sound pretty shitty, but if you resolve it correctly back to the home key it's a very pleasing sound because you increased the tension in the progression. Take the seventh chord. The 4 notes are all diatonic to the home key, but in traditional harmony (VERY traditional) seventh chords aren't recommended because they contain a tritone (the b5 interval, think Halloween), which have a very dissonant nature to them. But it sounds so much better going back to the tonic from V7 than just plain V.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:20 PM
Drive In Drive Out is completely in A
nakedguydmb
07-03-2006, 08:21 PM
For anyone asking why he would play it, I'd assume for the same reason he'd play anything else: it sounds good. Sometimes the right off key note is the perfect ntoe to use. Blues and jazz are based on altering chord tones to create a dissonance which you later resolve. If you left a non-key note just hanging out in mid air it would sound pretty shitty, but if you resolve it correctly back to the home key it's a very pleasing sound because you increased the tension in the progression. Take the seventh chord. The 4 notes are all diatonic to the home key, but in traditional harmony (VERY traditional) seventh chords aren't recommended because they contain a tritone (the b5 interval, think Halloween), which have a very dissonant nature to them. But it sounds so much better going back to the tonic from V7 than just plain V.
sure, but i never thought it sounded good. it sounded like he was playing something that he thought was correct, but which wasn't.
Ants is in D, but the band plays C's, not C#'s, when adding their fills, giving it a mixolydian feel. Dave does it too with the little riff he plays during the snare intro. The C# doesn't come up again until LeRoi's very last line, which is part of the reason that part sounds so fucking sweet, because your ear's been waiting to hear it.
sure, but i never thought it sounded good. it sounded like he was playing something that he thought was correct, but which wasn't.
Yea I'm not saying ALL non diatonic chords are going to sound good. I really don't have any opinion on the D in Watchtower, it's too quick to have any substantial effect, IMO.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:28 PM
I wish I knew theory really well. I'm commit myself to learning this summer. It would be nice to be able to sound smart in these threads.
Drive In Drive Out is completely in A
No, the main riff contains a b7 (G) and the chorus starts with a G octave. So it would be A mixolydian. There's also a C in the chorus. A major has a C# minor.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:32 PM
No, the main riff contains a b7 (G) and the chorus starts with a G octave. So it would be A mixolydian. There's also a C in the chorus. A major has a C# minor.
see what I mean, I wish I knew that. I just thought I would go by my gut and say that, even though I knew I was probably gonna be completely wrong.
winterscold
07-03-2006, 08:44 PM
I'm just a nerd.
If I could trade all the useless information, like world history, for music theory, I would in a heart beat.
Music theory for dummies.
Sugarwill41
07-04-2006, 10:15 AM
man i have no idea what you guys are talking about, i wish i did....but i dont. I just know how to play guitar, i cant even read music.
I'm terrible at reading music.
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