NHL Hockey 2006-2007

[DmBand801]

:lol:lol being that i don't really care about either of the teams except how their success effects the Leafs standings, I enjoyed watching both sides of the game

its not easy when your older brother and father are ranger fans though :mad

[whiteysax]

its not easy when your older brother and father are ranger fans though :madno, i can see how that would be a problem... :lol

[|UAY| |)(V)|3]

Don't try and tell me the Sharks don't have the best power play in hockey.

[boiii]

Don't try and tell me the Sharks don't have the best power play in hockey.

san jose
--------
games played: 20
power plays: 109
pp goals: 26
%: 23.9
nhl rank: 1

montreal
---------
games played: 17
power plays: 87
pp goals: 19
%: 21.8
nhl rank: 2

BUT

san jose
---------
times shorthanded: 92
pp goals allowed: 12
%: 87
short handed goals: 3
nhl rank: 7

montreal
---------
times shorthanded: 107
pp goals allowed: 10
%: 88.8
short handed goals: 7
nhl rank: 4


.. so overall, our special teams as a whole are better. sucker.

cheers.
ken

[whiteysax]

san jose
--------
games played: 20
power plays: 109
pp goals: 26
%: 23.9
nhl rank: 1

montreal
---------
games played: 17
power plays: 87
pp goals: 19
%: 21.8
nhl rank: 2

BUT

san jose
---------
times shorthanded: 92
pp goals allowed: 12
%: 87
short handed goals: 3
nhl rank: 7

montreal
---------
times shorthanded: 107
pp goals allowed: 10
%: 88.8
short handed goals: 7
nhl rank: 4


.. so overall, our special teams as a whole are better. sucker.

cheers.
kenalthough he wasn't talking about PK... but if it makes you happy...

[boiii]

although he wasn't talking about PK... but if it makes you happy...

well its a random comment -- "dont try and tell me the ... have the best". who could try and tell him otherwise; its a statistic. its like saying, "dont try and tell me its not raining outside" -- its a fact.

but if you look at the big picture of special teams, montreal is on top.
just pointing that out.

cheers.
ken

[mr.MikeD]

don't tell to try to tell me that the oilers aren't 14th in the league when leading after 1 period.

[whiteysax]

don't tell to try to tell me that the oilers aren't 14th in the league when leading after 1 period.that is perhaps the most random stat i've ever seem posted here! kudos!!

as for rain... yes... the street right out front my place is under water... and the drainage ditch is backup up all the way between the set of townhouses to the ditch that runs behind them all.. i should take some pics...

[whiteysax]

Crazy weather...
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/whiteysax2/album?.dir=/c76bre2

[brianispizza4u]

well i made it to the last half of the Canes game last night...

[aeroshady]

Wooo Bruins win in OT and get back to .500!!! To bad that game looked like I was watching a high school hockey game....very sloppy, neither team looked very good haha.

[whiteysax]

Wooo Bruins win in OT and get back to .500!!! To bad that game looked like I was watching a high school hockey game....very sloppy, neither team looked very good haha.:lorraine:lorraine:lorraine go leafs go...

[whiteysax]

on another note, anyone watching the Nashville/minnesota game? its a shooting gallery!! 6-4 going into the third!!

[whiteysax]

This Nashville/Minnesota game is one of the most entertaining i've ever watched! 6-6 after regulation. In OT- a Kariya breakaway he missed on... another breakaway where he's tripped and gets a shot while flying through the air... on the ensuing penalty shot in OT, he hits the crossbar...
now its time for a shootout!!!

[whiteysax]

wow... in the shootout Nashville could win it with 1 goal... Erat comes in, makes a move, Backstrom poke checks, the puck hits the goal stick then Erats forward motion deflects the poke check off the post, across teh goal line, where Backstrom's motion sliding back toward the net kicks it in. They review it and wave it off (the poke check ends the round whether the rebound continues to the net or not). in the very next round (sudden death now), Minnesota scores and Backstrom makes the save to take what looked to be a Nashville win, waved off and turned into a Minnesota win. That was so worth staying up for! crazy game!

[DmBand801]

great comeback by the wild last night

[mr.MikeD]

Ryan smyth in a three way tie for second in goals scored. crazy.

[thelindz]

Ryan smyth in a three way tie for second in goals scored. crazy.
Smytty has always been great. But this year he is awesome. :)

I won't jinx it though. Well maybe I just did, oh well.

[|UAY| |)(V)|3]

well its a random comment -- "dont try and tell me the ... have the best". who could try and tell him otherwise; its a statistic. its like saying, "dont try and tell me its not raining outside" -- its a fact.

but if you look at the big picture of special teams, montreal is on top.
just pointing that out.

cheers.
ken
It was based on the game that was on at the time of the comment.

[DmBand801]

whitey--going to be a good one tonight

[whiteysax]

whitey--going to be a good one tonight
yeah, and i'm not home to watch it :shrug

[DmBand801]

yeah, and i'm not home to watch it :shrug

boooooo

[whiteysax]

yeah yeah... i would if i could... but i'm at the parents' tonite and they don't have Center Ice

[DmBand801]

big W in toronto tonight

[whiteysax]

big W in toronto tonight
its cause i wasn't watching :rollseyes

[DmBand801]

its cause i wasn't watching :rollseyes

:lol --take the wins anyway we can get them :)

[whiteysax]

:lol --take the wins anyway we can get them :)amen!

[DmBand801]

and fleury gives me a fantasy win as the rangers lose to the pens

time to watch my other boy, Roloson!

[whiteysax]

not looking good for Philly... Esche looks like a first year amateur...

[DmBand801]

not looking good for Philly... Esche looks like a first year amateur...

it doesn't help being in the shark tank

[whiteysax]

it doesn't help being in the shark tanknope, they're drowning

[DmBand801]

i'm trying to figure out if the rangers are going to weekes tonight--lundqvist played pretty well last night in their loss to PIT

[thelindz]

Crazy eyes is the hero for the Oilers against Detroit... I think he likes them.

[DmBand801]

and Jagr nets 600 2 mins. into their game vs TB.....

[DmBand801]

maybe you guys can help me--ok i'm looking at christmas gifts for my brother and i've already decided his gift is a rangers game - what game should i get him tix for...

A. Detroit - enough said
B. Pittsburgh - Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury = nasty
C. Montreal - he can watch his good friends Higgins and Komisarek in action
D. New Jersey - He's seen them already, but its a great rivalry

thoughts?

[boiii]

maybe you guys can help me--ok i'm looking at christmas gifts for my brother and i've already decided his gift is a rangers game - what game should i get him tix for...

A. Detroit - enough said
B. Pittsburgh - Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury = nasty
C. Montreal - he can watch his good friends Higgins and Komisarek in action
D. New Jersey - He's seen them already, but its a great rivalry

thoughts?

considering his friends are on the habs, its a no brainer.
but it is a real treat to see the pittsburgh kids play.

cheers.
ken

[thelindz]

Detroit isn't exciting to watch... at all. Eliminate that choice right off the bat.

[DMBBonas07]

holy shit, the sabres are really starting to tear it up right now

[whiteysax]

ridiculous... 7-2...

[DmBand801]

the sabres are flat out nasty

[DMBBonas07]

the sabres are flat out nasty
yes they are :D

[DmBand801]

yes they are :D

they make it look so much easier than it is...from break outs to power plays to just flat out domination

[DMBBonas07]

they make it look so much easier than it is...from break outs to power plays to just flat out domination
agreed, i just hope they keep it up. carolina is starting to become good again

[DmBand801]

agreed, i just hope they keep it up. carolina is starting to become good again

if healthy, buffalo can and will beat carolina, whether its regular season or playoffs

[DMBBonas07]

if healthy, buffalo can and will beat carolina, whether its regular season or playoffs
never know though, there can always be upsets. I think its gonna come down to buffalo, carolina and atlanta in the east this year

[whiteysax]

never know though, there can always be upsets. I think its gonna come down to buffalo, carolina and atlanta in the east this yeardamn your sabres!!!!

[DmBand801]

damn your sabres!!!!

:lol -what a game that was...playoff atmosphere between the fans and the back and forth play--great game all around least night between the leafs and sabres

[thelindz]

I think all you Easterners need to open your eyes, Anaheim is going to win the cup this year.

[boiii]

I think all you Easterners need to open your eyes, Anaheim is going to win the cup this year.

thats a bold bandwagon prediction.

cheers.
ken

[thelindz]

Believe me, I wish it were Edmonton. You never know, but Anaheim has a really hot team this year, their record is impressive, but how they play is even more impressive.

They WILL lose when Pronger is back in town next Tuesday though. :)

[DmBand801]

Believe me, I wish it were Edmonton. You never know, but Anaheim has a really hot team this year, their record is impressive, but how they play is even more impressive.

They WILL lose when Pronger is back in town next Tuesday though. :)

Anaheim is nasty...no doubt...but don't overlook a team like Buffalo, who can defintely play with Anaheim and might even surprise them in a best of 7

[boiii]

Believe me, I wish it were Edmonton. You never know, but Anaheim has a really hot team this year, their record is impressive, but how they play is even more impressive.

They WILL lose when Pronger is back in town next Tuesday though. :)

on july 12 i wrote:



west:
====
anaheim is the team to reckon with in the west. picking up pronger and having neidermayer already means that at all times one of these defensive monsters will be on the ice. and beauchemin to compliment them. you cant score. not to mention they have two rockstar goalies in the ranks right now, and teemu took a paycut to be able to sign mroe talent. he is stanley cup focused and a real effin threat.

the team in the west to fuck with them will be calgary. take last years talent and stack on a goal scorer like tanguay, who will motivate iginla, and a more experienced phaneuf. with kipper in nets, they will be a tough team.

i cant wait for the season to start.

cheers.
ken


so i know where you're coming from.
that being said - a couple teams in the east can give them a good run for their money with their style of play. not to mention they lost 7-4 to philly? wtf.

i say the east takes the cup this year.

cheers.
ken

[boiii]

Anaheim is nasty...no doubt...but don't overlook a team like Buffalo, who can defintely play with Anaheim and might even surprise them in a best of 7

buffalo is overachieving right now.
amazing to watch, but overachieving.

cheers.
ken

[thelindz]

Of course I say this because I don't like Calgary, but I just don't think they are offensively talented enough to rival Anaheim.

[whiteysax]

well.. the last time the team with the most points after the regular season won the cup was 2001-2002 Redwings... having a great start or even the best regular season record doesn't mean squat when you get to the playoffs.

[mr.MikeD]

nice to see sykora score a couple to beat calgary, though the teams performance overall wasn't great. rollie to the rescue.

nicer to see the oilers tied for first in the northwest.

thanks habs, for the win over the wild yesterday (and ottawa a couple of days ago)

[boiii]

thanks habs, for the win over the wild yesterday (and ottawa a couple of days ago)

youre welcome

signed,
the east



cheers.
ken

[DmBand801]

youre welcome

signed,
the east



cheers.
ken

:lol - nice work ken

[whiteysax]

Well All-Star fan balloting has begun. You have until 9pm on Jan 3 to vote at NHL.com. Who were your picks?

Eastern Conference
---------------------
Forwards:
Brendan Shanahan
Daniel Briere
Mats Sundin

Defense:
Tomas Kaberle
Brian McCabe

Goalie:
Henrik Lundqvist

Write-in:
Cristibol Huet

Western Conference
------------------------
Forwards:
Jerome Iginla
Joe Sakic
Ryan Smyth

Defense:
Chris Pronger
John-Michael Lilies

Goalie:
Tomas Vokoun

[DmBand801]

i went to the leafs and caps game tonight....the leafs shut down ovechkin and pretty much left him powerless--they're power play is something else as well

[whiteysax]

i went to the leafs and caps game tonight....the leafs shut down ovechkin and pretty much left him powerless--they're power play is something else as welli thoroughly enjoyed watching that game!!!

[boiii]

habs v sabres last night.
so sick. 1 second left in overtime, souray puts it top corner over miller shoulder for the win.

the habs are a serious team this year. dont count em out. we're beating the best of them.

cheers.
ken

[DmBand801]

i thoroughly enjoyed watching that game!!!

as did the 10,000 leafs fans there :)

[thelindz]

Well All-Star fan balloting has begun. You have until 9pm on Jan 3 to vote at NHL.com. Who were your picks?
West
Smyth
Hemsky
Marleau
Niedermayer
Visnovsky
Roloson

East
Afinogenov
Jagr
Ovechkin
Zhitnik
Souray
Miller

[whiteysax]

West
Smyth
Hemsky
Marleau
Niedermayer
Visnovsky
Roloson

East
Afinogenov
Jagr
Ovechkin
Zhitnik
Souray
Millerwow... no love for the Leafs defense...

[DmBand801]

wow... no love for the Leafs defense...

booooo the leafs :)

[thelindz]

wow... no love for the Leafs defense...
Nope. :)

[whiteysax]

i guess it's a hard fact to accept ;)

[DMBBonas07]

this sabres game is a bit boring tonight, it might get interesting now as buffalo has the 2 man advantage

[whiteysax]

this sabres game is a bit boring tonight, it might get interesting now as buffalo has the 2 man advantageyeah, it just got better... i wish campbell would do something so my fantasy team has a chance!

[DMBBonas07]

yeah, it just got better... i wish campbell would do something so my fantasy team has a chance!
I wish somebody would do something out there, that powerplay just went to hell :p

[whiteysax]

I wish somebody would do something out there, that powerplay just went to hell :pwell, the goaltending had a bit to do with that... not even half way through the 2nd and buffalo already has as many shots this period as they had all 1st period

[DMBBonas07]

well, the goaltending had a bit to do with that... not even half way through the 2nd and buffalo already has as many shots this period as they had all 1st period
thats true, miller is doing damn good out there. I am missing Rick's commentary tonight though

[whiteysax]

that was a crazy save by Miller!

[DMBBonas07]

I swear he is amazing this year, im impressed when Biron gets in goal too

[DMBBonas07]

GOAAAAALLLLLLL by my favorite player maxim!! yesss

[DMBBonas07]

yes another!!! man this game is getting good

[whiteysax]

and the response...

[DMBBonas07]

and the response...
dammit :p

[DmBand801]

that save by miller on adam hall was insane

[whiteysax]

that save by miller on adam hall was insaneindeed

[DMBBonas07]

third period here we go...

[DMBBonas07]

should have been a penalty shot in my opinion

[DMBBonas07]

I dunno bought this, this game could turn out to be a repeat of the last one

[DMBBonas07]

:D sabres win!!! hell yeah that makes me happy

[DmBand801]

what a great tip by drury

[aeroshady]

:D sabres win!!! hell yeah that makes me happy

P.S we played 2 games in 2 nights..again. Other wise the Rangers would have won.

[whiteysax]

P.S we played 2 games in 2 nights..again. Other wise the Rangers would have won.woulda coulda shoulda :rolleyes

[DMBBonas07]

P.S we played 2 games in 2 nights..again. Other wise the Rangers would have won.
sabres played many two nighters and kept winning, it just comes down to luck really. now they have a break till friday

[thelindz]

The Sabres will eventually start to lose. They aren't going to go 45-10 in the rest of the season.

[mr.MikeD]

you as pissed as i am that the anaheim game is only on pay-per-view?

[DMBBonas07]

The Sabres will eventually start to lose. They aren't going to go 45-10 in the rest of the season.
eventually, but it wont be anything like philly and they will prob still stay in the top

[thelindz]

you as pissed as i am that the anaheim game is only on pay-per-view?
Nope... my cousin is ordering it on their TV and I just happen to be staying at their place this week. So I'm happy. If I had to go out to the bar to watch it, I'd be kinda ticked. Not really a game you can miss though - hopefully you find somewhere to watch it. :D

And they are smart to PPV this game, they are gonna make TONS of money on it - its a must-see really.

[mr.MikeD]

Nope... my cousin is ordering it on their TV and I just happen to be staying at their place this week. So I'm happy. If I had to go out to the bar to watch it, I'd be kinda ticked. Not really a game you can miss though - hopefully you find somewhere to watch it. :D

And they are smart to PPV this game, they are gonna make TONS of money on it - its a must-see really.

good score, not sure where i'm going to watch it, if at all, it's a busy week for me.

[DMBBonas07]

Nope... my cousin is ordering it on their TV and I just happen to be staying at their place this week. So I'm happy. If I had to go out to the bar to watch it, I'd be kinda ticked. Not really a game you can miss though - hopefully you find somewhere to watch it. :D

And they are smart to PPV this game, they are gonna make TONS of money on it - its a must-see really.
who are they playing?

[ProudestAnt]

who are they playing? Oilers I think...

[DMBBonas07]

Oilers I think...
ahhh ok thanks

[mr.MikeD]

yeah, oilers, it's prongers first game back since asking for trade.

[DmBand801]

yeah, oilers, it's prongers first game back since asking for trade.

ooooo boy

[dmbwadeo]

I read that Oiler Fans are planning on pelting Pronger with pacifiers. That is pretty funny, I hope they do that.

[DMBBonas07]

I read that Oiler Fans are planning on pelting Pronger with pacifiers. That is pretty funny, I hope they do that.
oh really :lol I wanna see this

[whiteysax]

I read that Oiler Fans are planning on pelting Pronger with pacifiers. That is pretty funny, I hope they do that.if i see that, the Oilers' fans will become the worse fans in hockey in my book

[whiteysax]

Well, Lindz... looks like one of my favorite past Bears will be getting the start against your Oilers tonite. Budaj is competing for the #1 spot in Colorado... I think he has a shot to edge out Theodore...

[DmBand801]

if i see that, the Oilers' fans will become the worse fans in hockey in my book

barry melrose said he supported them doing that because it would show how dedicated they are to their team

[boiii]

Budaj is competing for the #1 spot in Colorado... I think he has a shot to edge out Theodore...

theodore is either the best goalie in the nhl or the worst.
keep waching for budaj to get 3 game stints when theo loses concentration.
then theo will come back and be wonderman for 5-6 games. then lose 2.

rinse. repeat.

cheers.
ken

[whiteysax]

theodore is either the best goalie in the nhl or the worst.
keep waching for budaj to get 3 game stints when theo loses concentration.
then theo will come back and be wonderman for 5-6 games. then lose 2.

rinse. repeat.

cheers.
ken
agreed completely! I think all of the goalie's in the NHL are very talented... but consistency is what makes those few stand out like Brodeur and Kiprusoff

[purplehaze18]

San Jose......... great defense, soooo boring to watch, i mean goddamn. I fell asleep watching that game. Good team though, just dont watch them play.

[whiteysax]

San Jose......... great defense, soooo boring to watch, i mean goddamn. I fell asleep watching that game. Good team though, just dont watch them play.sounds like New Jersey pre-rule changes

[mr.MikeD]

if i see that, the Oilers' fans will become the worse fans in hockey in my book
i didn't see much more than the highlights, but apparently the fans here were reasonably respectful in their hatred for pronger, right up until the end when we were forced to admit that pronger and the ducks are both scary good.

[whiteysax]

i didn't see much more than the highlights, but apparently the fans here were reasonably respectful in their hatred for pronger, right up until the end when we were forced to admit that pronger and the ducks are both scary good.yeah, from what i saw, just the traditional boo-ing which is always fun to watch...

[boiii]

sounds like New Jersey pre-rule changes

uh, jersey changed their style of play? i didn't get the memo.
they are still playing boring ass trap hockey.

i hate nj games.

cheers.
ken

[whiteysax]

uh, jersey changed their style of play? i didn't get the memo.
they are still playing boring ass trap hockey.

i hate nj games.

cheers.
kentrue... i think i'm trying to compensate for the sometimes exciting goaltending of Brodeur

[Tomriddle]

uh, jersey changed their style of play? i didn't get the memo.
they are still playing boring ass trap hockey.

i hate nj games.

cheers.
ken

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I haaate NJ.

[DMBsniper12]

Great goal by gagne... Go Flyers

[whiteysax]

Leclair placed on waivers by Pittsburgh today...

[DmBand801]

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I haaate NJ.

i haaaaaate the rangers

[whiteysax]

but i hate baseball cards...

[DmBand801]

but i hate baseball cards...

:lol

[SideshowRob]

Leclair placed on waivers by Pittsburgh today...

i hate to see things like that happen

[SmoothG]

I'm a Leafs fan and live in China...no NHL...except what I read. Can anyone who has watched some games give me any ideas as to how they are playing and what the rest of the season looks like??

[whiteysax]

I'm a Leafs fan and live in China...no NHL...except what I read. Can anyone who has watched some games give me any ideas as to how they are playing and what the rest of the season looks like??
GO LEAFS GO!!!!!
They've surprised me this year. My preseason prediction was that they were going to take a year in transition with a new coach and developing the young players while relying on some of the older, slower veterans... but they've done quite the opposite. The young players are playing very strong, Sundin has been the captain he needs to be, and Tucker has been an offensive stronghold while resisting stupid penalties like he's been prone to take in the past. Raycroft has looked good as well... but once in a while shows inconsistency (like last nite where he just didn't look like he was trying very hard, despite the defense letting the rush get to the net too often).
27 games into the season and we're 13-10-4 --- 30 pts. Buffalo is on top of the division with 40 pts, followed by Montreal with 31. Then us. It's unfortunate that we have to fight with the best team in the east this year. Buffalo has been incredible! But we are #6 in the conference and it's looking much better than it did last year!:bounce

[SmoothG]

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!
They've surprised me this year. My preseason prediction was that they were going to take a year in transition with a new coach and developing the young players while relying on some of the older, slower veterans... but they've done quite the opposite. The young players are playing very strong, Sundin has been the captain he needs to be, and Tucker has been an offensive stronghold while resisting stupid penalties like he's been prone to take in the past. Raycroft has looked good as well... but once in a while shows inconsistency (like last nite where he just didn't look like he was trying very hard, despite the defense letting the rush get to the net too often).
27 games into the season and we're 13-10-4 --- 30 pts. Buffalo is on top of the division with 40 pts, followed by Montreal with 31. Then us. It's unfortunate that we have to fight with the best team in the east this year. Buffalo has been incredible! But we are #6 in the conference and it's looking much better than it did last year!:bounce

Muchas gracias! Thank you for that! I love Sundin and Tucker is one of my all time favorite Leafs players! Hopefully Raycroft will play solid throughout the year. I just wish we still had Wendel Clark! I miss going to the Gardens back in the day. Nothing we can do about Buffaolo...I just hope we can make the playoffs this year and finish ahead of that trash in the province to the right. I can't believe they are actually "a nation within a nation". Horseshit!

[SmoothG]

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!
They've surprised me this year. My preseason prediction was that they were going to take a year in transition with a new coach and developing the young players while relying on some of the older, slower veterans... but they've done quite the opposite. The young players are playing very strong, Sundin has been the captain he needs to be, and Tucker has been an offensive stronghold while resisting stupid penalties like he's been prone to take in the past. Raycroft has looked good as well... but once in a while shows inconsistency (like last nite where he just didn't look like he was trying very hard, despite the defense letting the rush get to the net too often).
27 games into the season and we're 13-10-4 --- 30 pts. Buffalo is on top of the division with 40 pts, followed by Montreal with 31. Then us. It's unfortunate that we have to fight with the best team in the east this year. Buffalo has been incredible! But we are #6 in the conference and it's looking much better than it did last year!:bounce

Muchas gracias! Thank you for that! I love Sundin and Tucker is one of my all time favorite Leafs players! One of my favorite things in sports is seeing that blue and white skating around! Hopefully Raycroft will play solid throughout the year. I just wish we still had Wendel Clark! I miss going to the Gardens back in the day. Nothing we can do about Buffalo...I just hope we can make the playoffs this year and finish ahead of that trash in the province to the right. I can't believe they are actually "a nation within a nation". Horseshit! Sorry, I don't know how to say horseshit in French.

[Newfiedmbfan]

Muchas gracias! Thank you for that! I love Sundin and Tucker is one of my all time favorite Leafs players! One of my favorite things in sports is seeing that blue and white skating around! Hopefully Raycroft will play solid throughout the year. I just wish we still had Wendel Clark! I miss going to the Gardens back in the day. Nothing we can do about Buffalo...I just hope we can make the playoffs this year and finish ahead of that trash in the province to the right. I can't believe they are actually "a nation within a nation". Horseshit! Sorry, I don't know how to say horseshit in French.

Good luck with that.

The habs are 3 points up with three games in hand and have much deeper defence and better goaltending.

I think the leafs have been very much overachieving. Relying on the powerplay and tucker for offence is going to catch up with them. Plus there are very good teams behind them in the standings that are simply too good to miss the playoffs. Ottawa and New Jersey for example have games in hand and are gaining on the leafs.

Thankfully, I think the leafs will once again miss the playoffs extending a very enjoyable and prolonged stanley cup drought.

[boiii]

Thankfully, I think the leafs will once again miss the playoffs extending a very enjoyable and prolonged stanley cup drought.

did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be.
i can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.

cheers.
ken

[whiteysax]

Good luck with that.

The habs are 3 points up with three games in hand and have much deeper defence and better goaltending.

I think the leafs have been very much overachieving. Relying on the powerplay and tucker for offence is going to catch up with them. Plus there are very good teams behind them in the standings that are simply too good to miss the playoffs. Ottawa and New Jersey for example have games in hand and are gaining on the leafs.

Thankfully, I think the leafs will once again miss the playoffs extending a very enjoyable and prolonged stanley cup drought.i think you're wrong

[Newfiedmbfan]

did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be.
i can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.

cheers.
ken

The day the leafs get knocked out is always the best day of the year.

It is better than Christmas and my birthday combined.

[SmoothG]

The day the leafs get knocked out is always the best day of the year.

It is better than Christmas and my birthday combined.

Its good to know that the Leafs are so important in someones life that even the fact that they lose makes someones year happy! I guess I feel the same way about Ottawa and the Frenchy poo fag nasties from Montreal losing though...

[whiteysax]

i'm still coming to terms with the fact that the Leafs are the Devils of Canada... I did not know this until last summer....

[thelindz]

Muchas gracias! Thank you for that! I love Sundin and Tucker is one of my all time favorite Leafs players! One of my favorite things in sports is seeing that blue and white skating around! Hopefully Raycroft will play solid throughout the year. I just wish we still had Wendel Clark! I miss going to the Gardens back in the day. Nothing we can do about Buffalo...I just hope we can make the playoffs this year and finish ahead of that trash in the province to the right. I can't believe they are actually "a nation within a nation". Horseshit! Sorry, I don't know how to say horseshit in French.
You are definitely twisted.

[whiteysax]

You are definitely twisted.i can understand his position. I'm a huge Leafs fan, but hated Tucker ever since his "dramatics" and whining cost the Leafs a goal in the playoffs a few years ago, ultimately leading to another early exit. This year, however, he is an offensive force and I haven't seen him embellish many hits to draw penalties... he's just grinding it out... if he continues to play like that... he'll quickly earn back respect points...

[SideshowRob]

uh, jersey changed their style of play? i didn't get the memo.
they are still playing boring ass trap hockey.

i hate nj games.

cheers.
ken

yeah... when they played the Sharks the fans kept booing when they did their break out

:violent

Pacific Division Hockey > > > > > > Atlantic Division Hockey

[DmBand801]

yeah... when they played the Sharks the fans kept booing when they did their break out

:violent

Pacific Division Hockey > > > > > > Atlantic Division Hockey

paul martin feels the need to wait behind the net for a good 40 seconds each time...

[DmBand801]

i'm still coming to terms with the fact that the Leafs are the Devils of Canada... I did not know this until last summer....

i thought the senators were

[DmBand801]

pro: devils lead the pens 4-2

con: fleury gave my fantasy team a 50 save % (4 on 8) to go with Roloson's 14 saves on 20 last night

[SideshowRob]

paul martin feels the need to wait behind the net for a good 40 seconds each time...

yeah... no kidding...


High Speed... Hard Hitting Hockey is how we roll in San Jose

[ProudestAnt]

Go Sabres...

[Tomriddle]

Saw that one coming.

Why do the Buffalo fans have it in for Jagr?

[purplehaze18]

I dunno, i was there and i'm still confused, I actually like how he plays, he was fun to watch as was the game.

[|UAY| |)(V)|3]

Sharks Hockey > > > > > > > > > > Pacific Division Hockey > > > > > > Atlantic Division Hockey
Edited for correctness.

[thelindz]

Lets all jump on the Anaheim bandwagon...




































...never! :evil

[whiteysax]

Lets all jump on the Anaheim bandwagon...
who's jumping on the bandwagon?

[SideshowRob]

who's jumping on the bandwagon?

EVERYONE IN FUCKING ANAHEIM THAT DIDNT KNOW THAT THE TEAM WAS NAMED AFTER THE MOVIE!!!

[purplehaze18]

I would love to see san jose take down anahiem, simply out of spite 4 the western confrence leader, at which point ill want someone to take out the sharks, but til then, i support san jose.

[SideshowRob]

I would love to see san jose take down anahiem, simply out of spite 4 the western confrence leader, at which point ill want someone to take out the sharks, but til then, i support san jose.

we will in two weeks because SJ is undefeated when im in attendance

[Newfiedmbfan]

Saw that one coming.

Why do the Buffalo fans have it in for Jagr?

Maybe it is because he is such a pansy:bounce

[whiteysax]

EVERYONE IN FUCKING ANAHEIM THAT DIDNT KNOW THAT THE TEAM WAS NAMED AFTER THE MOVIE!!!hahaha... disney....

Maybe it is because he is such a pansy:bouncewell that "pansy" is tied for the league lead in points and leads the league in assists...

[Tomriddle]

well that "pansy" is tied for the league lead in points and leads the league in assists...

:thumbsup :p

[Tomriddle]

Edited for correctness.

:lol

[DmBand801]

well that "pansy" is tied for the league lead in points and leads the league in assists...

boooooo jagr :evil

[thelindz]

who's jumping on the bandwagon?
Everyone who knows what is good for them.


Just kidding. No one is really, well, at least the Edmonton fans aren't.
EVERYONE IN FUCKING ANAHEIM THAT DIDNT KNOW THAT THE TEAM WAS NAMED AFTER THE MOVIE!!!
Welcome to the club. You should have seen the explosion of "Oiler fans" once we beat Detroit in the first round. It was good city spirit though. Wonderful place to be. Now everyone ("Oiler fans") are back to being just as fucking negative as they were before. I hate fair-weather fans. :twak

[whiteysax]

What in the world happened to Buffalo?!?! took a romping from the Caps! I saw the 79 PIM throwdown after Ovi's hit... Didn't look as violent as the score sheet would lead on.

[DMBBonas07]

What in the world happened to Buffalo?!?! took a romping from the Caps! I saw the 79 PIM throwdown after Ovi's hit... Didn't look as violent as the score sheet would lead on.
oh yes it was a beat down for the poor sabres, the defense just wasnt there last night, even Max was getting pissed off and started a fight towards the end of the game

[thelindz]

What in the world happened to Buffalo?!?! took a romping from the Caps! I saw the 79 PIM throwdown after Ovi's hit... Didn't look as violent as the score sheet would lead on.
Contrary to popular belief, Buffalo can lose. :lol

[DmBand801]

Contrary to popular belief, Buffalo can lose. :lol

they can? :eek

[DmBand801]

What in the world happened to Buffalo?!?! took a romping from the Caps! I saw the 79 PIM throwdown after Ovi's hit... Didn't look as violent as the score sheet would lead on.

it was a hit from behind--ovi then got pummeled by Gaustad

[BotheDMBFan]

Quack Quack Quack.

That is all.

[|UAY| |)(V)|3]

Quack Quack Quack.

That is all.
Suck. My. Shark-dick.

That is all.

[BotheDMBFan]

I hate that we changed our name though....damn it.

[whiteysax]

Contrary to popular belief, Buffalo can lose. :loli know... i just didn't expect them to give up that many goals!

I hate that we changed our name though....damn it.i don't... "the mighty ducks of anaheim" sounds so arrogant... the city should come first... then the team name...

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, but "ducks" is boring, Mighty Ducks came from a film that the great Emelio Estevez is in.........Damn it.

[mr.MikeD]

what's happening, i don't pay attention to oilers for a couple of days and bad things start happening - 7-3 and 4-0 losses, smyth and hemsky out with injuries, wow.

[Newfiedmbfan]

hahaha... disney....

well that "pansy" is tied for the league lead in points and leads the league in assists...

still a pansy.

[whiteysax]

still a pansy.whatever helps you sleep at nite

[thelindz]

What I speak is the truth. "The Ducks" is just a stupid name. THE DUCKS? That is almost like naming a team "The Sharks"...oh...wait... ;) But they'll get over it.
what's happening, i don't pay attention to oilers for a couple of days and bad things start happening - 7-3 and 4-0 losses, smyth and hemsky out with injuries, wow.
I'll tell you whats happening... its our pre-Christmas breakdown. We'll get through it.

[DmBand801]

what's happening, i don't pay attention to oilers for a couple of days and bad things start happening - 7-3 and 4-0 losses, smyth and hemsky out with injuries, wow.

Roloson doesn't help my fantasy team either :mad

[whiteysax]

Roloson doesn't help my fantasy team either :mad
neither does Fleury... I had save percentage in the bag... now I'm beat....

[DmBand801]

neither does Fleury... I had save percentage in the bag... now I'm beat....

i have Roloson and fleury--finished the week with a 87 save % thanks to Luongo playing well and keeping me in it

[DmBand801]

The Islanders lead the Rangers 4-0 after 1 with 9 shots on goal - and Lundqvist is playing...

:ugh - I don't know whether I like it or not....

[aeroshady]

The Islanders lead the Rangers 4-0 after 1 with 9 shots on goal - and Lundqvist is playing...

:ugh - I don't know whether I like it or not....

Since when are the Islanders good? Can come one remind them that they are a shitty team that plays in a shit hole. How is a team that signed a goalie for 15 years in First place in the Atlantic Divison?? God what is happening to sports this year???

[DmBand801]

Since when are the Islanders good? Can come one remind them that they are a shitty team that plays in a shit hole. How is a team that signed a goalie for 15 years in First place in the Atlantic Divison?? God what is happening to sports this year???

i think Ted Nolan has something to do with all that--and yes Nassau Coliseum is a Shithole

[whiteysax]

fuckin' Leafs are coming undone late in the game... AGAIN! defense just isn't together... blow a 2-0 lead with 3 unanswered goals....

[whiteysax]

un-fucking-real... 4 unanswered goals and an empty netter on top of it to blow a 2-0 lead they held for more than half the game... fucking Hal Gil can't keep his goddam stick to himself... fucking great....

[DmBand801]

that game took a turn for the worse on Toronto...

[whiteysax]

that game took a turn for the worse on Toronto...
turn for the worse?!?! Atlanta came out half way through the second and said, "oh, by the way... fuck you..."
then bitch slapped us for the next 30 minutes of ice time....

[mr.MikeD]

nice to see the leafs living down to expectations.

i've got nosebleed tickets for tonights oilers game against the hurricanes, should be fun.

[thelindz]

nice to see the leafs living down to expectations.

i've got nosebleed tickets for tonights oilers game against the hurricanes, should be fun.
You bastard. And I'm in clinical until 10 pm. :lorraine

Cheer loud!! :multi

[mr.MikeD]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?id=187396&hubname=

Joe Nieuwendyk retires. Kind of a lousy way for a guy like that to go out.

[DmBand801]

turn for the worse?!?! Atlanta came out half way through the second and said, "oh, by the way... fuck you..."
then bitch slapped us for the next 30 minutes of ice time....

whitey is still sore from that game...

[DmBand801]

nice to see the leafs living down to expectations.

i've got nosebleed tickets for tonights oilers game against the hurricanes, should be fun.

GO ROLOSON! :)

[whiteysax]

whitey is still sore from that game...:violent

[Franchize41]

:violent

Chris I almost turned that game off during 2nd intermission, but im so happy I got to watch that asskicking 3rd period :lol

[whiteysax]

Chris I almost turned that game off during 2nd intermission, but im so happy I got to watch that asskicking 3rd period :lolurge to kill rising.... RISING!!!!:devil:devil

[Franchize41]

urge to kill rising.... RISING!!!!:devil:devil

Ottawa winning 8 of their last 9 help that urge? :)

[whiteysax]

Ottawa winning 8 of their last 9 help that urge? :)yeah... except they are getting their asses handed to them by the Capitals right now ;)

[Franchize41]

yeah... except they are getting their asses handed to them by the Capitals right now ;)

thats because emery is starting with a fucked up glove hand, which is where all the goals are going

[whiteysax]

thats because emery is starting with a fucked up glove hand, which is where all the goals are going
exploit a weakness...

[SideshowRob]

have you guys heard about the jersey redesigning that is going to happen?

[SideshowRob]

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?nhl66

[thelindz]

GO ROLOSON! :)
:hump You bet!

[mr.MikeD]

go markennan, rollie didn't play . fun game.

[DmBand801]

big win for NJ over MTL - Elias with the GW with 5 seconds left in OT!!!

[DmBand801]

go markennan, rollie didn't play . fun game.

:lorraine

[thelindz]

go markennan, rollie didn't play . fun game.
It was a true rematch. BAHAHAH Carolina. Losers. :)

[MacGuyver]

losers that get to parade the cup around for this whole season? yeah no.

[thelindz]

losers that get to parade the cup around for this whole season? yeah no.
Losers = they lost last night.

Everyone who is an Oiler fan believes in their hearts the cup was ours. Its okay for you not to like us, but don't rub it in my face that we don't have the cup. Everyone feels this way. :p

[whodat]

I would actually join this thread on a regular basis, but my team, the LA Kings, couldn't beat half the teams in the NCAA right now. I couldn't handle all beating I would take in here on a daily basis. The Kings just down right stink right now. They made some good moves in the offseason, but just can't seem to make all the pieces fit together.

What makes this even worse, the Ducks are actually playing very solid hockey and I HATE the Ducks. I live down the street from where they play, I play my league hockey at there practice facility, and I still hate them with every ounce of my being. Scary part, they might even win the Cup this year. MIGHT.

[whiteysax]

I would actually join this thread on a regular basis, but my team, the LA Kings, couldn't beat half the teams in the NCAA right now. I couldn't handle all beating I would take in here on a daily basis. The Kings just down right stink right now. They made some good moves in the offseason, but just can't seem to make all the pieces fit together.

What makes this even worse, the Ducks are actually playing very solid hockey and I HATE the Ducks. I live down the street from where they play, I play my league hockey at there practice facility, and I still hate them with every ounce of my being. Scary part, they might even win the Cup this year. MIGHT.well i hope the Kings get shut out tonite... I have Mason from the Preds on my fantasy team :p

[thelindz]

I would actually join this thread on a regular basis, but my team, the LA Kings, couldn't beat half the teams in the NCAA right now. I couldn't handle all beating I would take in here on a daily basis. The Kings just down right stink right now. They made some good moves in the offseason, but just can't seem to make all the pieces fit together.

What makes this even worse, the Ducks are actually playing very solid hockey and I HATE the Ducks. I live down the street from where they play, I play my league hockey at there practice facility, and I still hate them with every ounce of my being. Scary part, they might even win the Cup this year. MIGHT.
Anaheim is on fire... the pacific division is just mean this year.

[MacGuyver]

Everyone who is an Oiler fan believes in their hearts the cup was ours. Its okay for you not to like us, but don't rub it in my face that we don't have the cup. Everyone feels this way. :p

It was a true rematch. BAHAHAH Carolina. Losers.

I"m only rubbing where there was rubbing done. :p

[MacGuyver]

I would actually join this thread on a regular basis, but my team, the LA Kings, couldn't beat half the teams in the NCAA right now. I couldn't handle all beating I would take in here on a daily basis. The Kings just down right stink right now. They made some good moves in the offseason, but just can't seem to make all the pieces fit together.

What makes this even worse, the Ducks are actually playing very solid hockey and I HATE the Ducks. I live down the street from where they play, I play my league hockey at there practice facility, and I still hate them with every ounce of my being. Scary part, they might even win the Cup this year. MIGHT.


the only team who can beat em, i think, is san jose, and thats only if they do the nabakov for jovocop trade.

[whodat]

well i hope the Kings get shut out tonite... I have Mason from the Preds on my fantasy team :p

I wouldn't be worried. The Kings offense is, well, offensive to watch. They seem lost out there.

Anaheim is on fire... the pacific division is just mean this year.

Very true, on both sides. It is going to be a long, 'cold' winter in LALA land. Just have to root for my other favorite team, GO RED WINGS!!!!

[whodat]

the only team who can beat em, i think, is san jose, and thats only if they do the nabakov for jovocop trade.

Is that for teams in the West, or the entire league? I agree if it is the West, but I think that there are teams in the East that could beat the Ducks.

[SideshowRob]

Is that for teams in the West, or the entire league? I agree if it is the West, but I think that there are teams in the East that could beat the Ducks.

We're not going to trade Nabby inside the division

[mr.MikeD]

We're not going to trade Nabby inside the division
i have no idea why we traded pronger within our own conference.

[MacGuyver]

kaberle and steen would look great in an oil uniform right now lol

[thelindz]

kaberle and steen would look great in an oil uniform right now lol
Pronger wouldn't have ever went to Toronto.

And Anaheim got the short end of the stick anyway. Lupul and Smid are fantastic.

[whodat]

Pronger wouldn't have ever went to Toronto.

And Anaheim got the short end of the stick anyway. Lupul and Smid are fantastic.

I hope that Anaheim and Edmonton meet in the playoffs. That would be an epic series. Go Oilers!!!

[MacGuyver]

Pronger wouldn't have ever went to Toronto.

And Anaheim got the short end of the stick anyway. Lupul and Smid are fantastic.

uhhhh... no. :lol

the dealbreakers were:

1) kaberle didn't want to play in edmonton and edmonton was insistent on kaberle over mccabe
2) ferguson didn't want to part with steen.

i listen to sports talk all day, trust me on this. toronto wasn't pronger's (or his biatchy wife's) first choice, but he was ok with playing here and would have come here had the deal been consumated.

there is no way you got equal value for pronger. ESPECIALLY in a salary cap world. in big trades where there is a superstar in his prime involved, rarely does everything pan out. the lindros deal is a noteable exception.

[dmbwadeo]

Good thing too, Steen has what 1 goal this year?

[thelindz]

uhhhh... no. :lol

the dealbreakers were:

1) kaberle didn't want to play in edmonton and edmonton was insistent on kaberle over mccabe
2) ferguson didn't want to part with steen.

i listen to sports talk all day, trust me on this. toronto wasn't pronger's (or his biatchy wife's) first choice, but he was ok with playing here and would have come here had the deal been consumated.

there is no way you got equal value for pronger. ESPECIALLY in a salary cap world. in big trades where there is a superstar in his prime involved, rarely does everything pan out. the lindros deal is a noteable exception.
You have a loose screw. AND you live in the East, which thinks the world revolves around them, which probably makes for pretty biased "sports radio" or whatever you listen to.

Bottom line, Pronger ends up in Anaheim... we get Smid, Lupul and draft picks. And we still have a solid defence. Pronger has a totally crappy attitude about it anyway, which is obviously unacceptable. He got what he wanted and he just can't take the heat. Anyway, I'm happy with the trade. Who wants players here who don't want to be here? Nobody.

[MacGuyver]

You have a loose screw. AND you live in the East, which thinks the world revolves around them, which probably makes for pretty biased "sports radio" or whatever you listen to.

Bottom line, Pronger ends up in Anaheim... we get Smid, Lupul and draft picks. And we still have a solid defence. Pronger has a totally crappy attitude about it anyway, which is obviously unacceptable. He got what he wanted and he just can't take the heat. Anyway, I'm happy with the trade. Who wants players here who don't want to be here? Nobody.

the NHL world DOES revolve around toronto. hate to break it to you! easily the most important market in north america. you can call it bias, or I can call it sourced from pronger's agent. they're never wrong when it comes to this stuff.

bottom line, you got a bunch of unproven talent. young, unproven talent. yeah, they could turn out to be superstars (lindros deal).

OR they could all turn out to be busts or mediocre players. more often than not that is the case. and that is fact not fiction.

Hey - I hope they all turn out for you, i'm all for canadian teams. but the point is you never get value when you trade a superstar away. :(

[whodat]

Do I need to bring up the Edmonton trade of the Great One? Yes, they did win a Cup after Gretzky left, and he never won in LA, but the Oilers didn't get much for Gretzky. Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, $15 million cash and the Kings' three first-round draft picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993. Those three draft pick players, Jason Soules, Martin Rucinsky, Nick Stajduhar, played a total 4 games for the Oilers. Was that fair value for the games greatest?

The ironic thing, a biatchy wife was behind both the Gretzky and Pronger trades.

[MacGuyver]

Do I need to bring up the Edmonton trade of the Great One? Yes, they did win a Cup after Gretzky left, and he never won in LA, but the Oilers didn't get much for Gretzky. Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, $15 million cash and the Kings' three first-round draft picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993. Those three draft pick players, Jason Soules, Martin Rucinsky, Nick Stajduhar, played a total 4 games for the Oilers. Was that fair value for the games greatest?

The ironic thing, a biatchy wife was behind both the Gretzky and Pronger trades.

I didn't bother referencing any trades... there are wayyy too many.

and its not like edmonton is getting top draft picks. anaheim's first rounder will prob be around 28-30.

[mr.MikeD]

Do I need to bring up the Edmonton trade of the Great One? Yes, they did win a Cup after Gretzky left, and he never won in LA, but the Oilers didn't get much for Gretzky. Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas, $15 million cash and the Kings' three first-round draft picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993. Those three draft pick players, Jason Soules, Martin Rucinsky, Nick Stajduhar, played a total 4 games for the Oilers. Was that fair value for the games greatest?

The ironic thing, a biatchy wife was behind both the Gretzky and Pronger trades.
i was goning to be pronger for halloween but i couldn't figure out how to get my balls in my wife's purse.

[whodat]

I didn't bother referencing any trades... there are wayyy too many.

and its not like edmonton is getting top draft picks. anaheim's first rounder will prob be around 28-30.

I was just trying to give a point of reference that you made about getting fair value on trades. You are correct that in trades for superstars, it is tough to gauge what is fair and to then end up actually trading for it. No matter where the draft pick is, unless you do some serious homework, and get a ittle lucky, it is so hard to get a draft pick to pan out as 'that draft pick from that trade.'

i was goning to be pronger for halloween but i couldn't figure out how to get my balls in my wife's purse.

:lol :lol

[DmBand801]

Bottom line, Pronger ends up in Anaheim... we get Smid, Lupul and draft picks. And we still have a solid defence. Pronger has a totally crappy attitude about it anyway, which is obviously unacceptable. He got what he wanted and he just can't take the heat. Anyway, I'm happy with the trade. Who wants players here who don't want to be here? Nobody.

phew--only have to play him once a year :)

[whiteysax]

Toronto strikes again... way to go defense :violent

[DmBand801]

Toronto strikes again... way to go defense :violent

could be wrose--you could lose 8-0 like Atlanta did...

[whiteysax]

could be wrose--you could lose 8-0 like Atlanta did...
true... that was a very nice fantasy boost since i have lecavailer, st louis, and boyle.... 5 goals, 7 assists, +10, 5 PPP, 2 SHP :bounce

[DmBand801]

true... that was a very nice fantasy boost since i have lecavailer, st louis, and boyle.... 5 goals, 7 assists, +10, 5 PPP, 2 SHP :bounce

what a night for the lightning offense....my fantasy team is struggling to score again this week with only 14 points :BANG

[Tomriddle]

Rangers pulling out the eleventh hour win :)





...against pittsburgh :(

[Newfiedmbfan]

Pronger wouldn't have ever went to Toronto.

And Anaheim got the short end of the stick anyway. Lupul and Smid are fantastic.

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think Lowe did a good job to get what he did (trading a guy who everyone knows wants out can make it a challenge to get market value).

But Pronger, like him or not, is a stud back there and there is no way the oil are better off without him.
But like i said he wanted out and Lowe did a nice job.

[mr.MikeD]

the northwest is uncomfortably tight - 4 points between being ranked third in the conference standings and being out of a playoff position.

[purplehaze18]

What show by colorado last night, beating out san jose with 5 goals.

[whodat]

well i hope the Kings get shut out tonite... I have Mason from the Preds on my fantasy team :p

Well you almost got your wish, 4-1 loss for the hapless Kings. This is going to be a tough, long season to suffer through. :shrug

[boiii]

the only team who can beat em, i think, is san jose, and thats only if they do the nabakov for jovocop trade.

calgary can beat anaheim.
i think they're the only team in the east that can pose a threat at this point. (my opinion). the sharks are good, but they don't have the power or style that can beat anaheim.

cheers.
ken

[mr.MikeD]

assuming calgary makes the playoffs, it's so close. (they will)

[boiii]

i have no idea why we traded pronger within our own conference.

erreur majeur.
grosse erreur majeur.

as newfie pointed out -- i don't think there was much option. lowe did do as best as he could but i imagine his hands were tied with things we'll never know about.

and lindsay, sorry, there is no way edmonton got the better end of the deal. pronger is so fucking ridiculous. go look at his +/-, goals, and assists on this year already. having an a+ forward isn't even equivalent as having an a+ defensemen. there are tons of a+ forwards out there and very limited a+ d men. its that simple. lupul is a c+ forward now (even with all the guys out for your team right now, he hasn't stepped up to shine), and will be a b- (b maybe) forward at best, and smid is an absolute scrub. i love my fellow canadian team, but swallow it already and stop being in denial, edmonton really got fucked. pronger is a top 5 player in the league -- any position.

cheers.
ken

[boiii]

the NHL world DOES revolve around toronto.

must really suck to have the league spotlight on toronto when your team is a joke.

cheers.
ken

[mr.MikeD]

i think just how me miss him will be apparent in the playoffs. not having that one guy that you lean on for 30+ minutes against any teams top line is a big deal. there aren't many trades that could replace that value.

[boiii]

pronger is a top 5 player in the league -- any position.

got me thinking.
if i could have any 5 players on my team -- who would they be.

crosby, kipper, pronger, phaneuf, briere.
i just feel these guys are so dependable or so amazing to come up big when needed. they also have a great fucking attitude and drive.

who would yours be?

cheers.
ken

[thelindz]

the NHL world DOES revolve around toronto. hate to break it to you! easily the most important market in north america. you can call it bias, or I can call it sourced from pronger's agent. they're never wrong when it comes to this stuff.

bottom line, you got a bunch of unproven talent. young, unproven talent. yeah, they could turn out to be superstars (lindros deal).

OR they could all turn out to be busts or mediocre players. more often than not that is the case. and that is fact not fiction.

Hey - I hope they all turn out for you, i'm all for canadian teams. but the point is you never get value when you trade a superstar away. :(
:lol Seriously, got off your high horse. You know thats a biased comment.

Lupul and Smid won't end up to be busts. Trust me.
I have to respectfully disagree.

I think Lowe did a good job to get what he did (trading a guy who everyone knows wants out can make it a challenge to get market value).

But Pronger, like him or not, is a stud back there and there is no way the oil are better off without him.
But like i said he wanted out and Lowe did a nice job.
Of course its hard to determine whether or not you are getting a good deal when you send a player like Pronger away, but sometimes you don't see the benefits right away. All players take time to develop, look at Smytty - over 10 years in the NHL and it looks as if he's finally having a career season (injury, ugh). Smid has already proven that he is solid defensively - and he is only 20 years old. I DON'T think we are better off without him, but we definitely aren't suffering. We are just where we need to be - at the top of the division.

[thelindz]

So what are we going to do, cry and bitch about it?

I refuse to be negative about it anymore, I'm sick of it.

[MacGuyver]

must really suck to have the league spotlight on toronto when your team is a joke.

cheers.
ken

I"m not saying I like it, but fact is fact man. Ask any elder statesman what the capital of the NHL is and they'll say toronto.

the coverage here is ridiculous. three major newspapers, one all sports station.

the funniest thing to me is that now they have the 12-1 show called hockeycentral on the radio, and like 90% of it is just talking about the leafs... :lol

[MacGuyver]

got me thinking.
if i could have any 5 players on my team -- who would they be.

crosby, kipper, pronger, phaneuf, briere.
i just feel these guys are so dependable or so amazing to come up big when needed. they also have a great fucking attitude and drive.

who would yours be?

cheers.
ken

pronger
phaneuf
crosby
hossa
thornton

kipper by a mile.

[boiii]

I"m not saying I like it, but fact is fact man. Ask any elder statesman what the capital of the NHL is and they'll say toronto.

the coverage here is ridiculous. three major newspapers, one all sports station.

the funniest thing to me is that now they have the 12-1 show called hockeycentral on the radio, and like 90% of it is just talking about the leafs... :lol

i actually think the answer would be montreal. and i think more people would agree. and i used to live in toronto, there's a lot of coverage, but it's dwarfed by the media in montreal. plus, montreal has more hockey history, storied franchises, important landmarks, and a more passionate following. the only thing toronto has is cbc hnic but thats a numbers game.

last week on win, lose and tie (worst show ever), they asked tie domi if he could have played for any team, did he and if not who would he have played for. and he said "oh wow, leafs nation wont like this -- but the habs".

its a fact -- hockey is montreal.

cheers.
ken

[boiii]

kipper by a mile.

not by a mile for me, i was debating between brodeur and turco as well. but the fact that kipper didnt play in the olympics in order to stay healthy for the playoffs was a sign to me of his commitment to the stanley cup drive. (that being said i would have killed any top canadian goalie who did the same).

cheers.
ken

[MacGuyver]

i actually think the answer would be montreal. and i think more people would agree. and i used to live in toronto, there's a lot of coverage, but it's dwarfed by the media in montreal. plus, montreal has more hockey history, storied franchises, important landmarks, and a more passionate following. the only thing toronto has is cbc hnic but thats a numbers game.

last week on win, lose and tie (worst show ever), they asked tie domi if he could have played for any team, did he and if not who would he have played for. and he said "oh wow, leafs nation wont like this -- but the habs".

its a fact -- hockey is montreal.

cheers.
ken

Kenny,

you remind me of my roomie in uni, who is a diehard montreal fan.

We would probably have these debates on a weekly basis. I've never lived in montreal, but from what I hear the pressure from just the sheer amount of media coverage in Toronto is more than in montreal. You probably have a better frame of reference than I do.

Its either toronto - montreal, or montreal - toronto, and I'm good with either one.


PS: I found it great that although you acknowledge that the Tie show is the worst thing ever (which I agree!!!), you still managed to watch it :lol

[MacGuyver]

not by a mile for me, i was debating between brodeur and turco as well. but the fact that kipper didnt play in the olympics in order to stay healthy for the playoffs was a sign to me of his commitment to the stanley cup drive. (that being said i would have killed any top canadian goalie who did the same).

cheers.
ken

to me brodeur is getting a bit old, and turco has never ever been clutch.

[boiii]

PS: I found it great that although you acknowledge that the Tie show is the worst thing ever (which I agree!!!), you still managed to watch it :lol

the only show i refuse to watch is otr with michael landsberg. his voice is my nails on a chalkboard.

to me brodeur is getting a bit old, and turco has never ever been clutch.

and you'd celebrate in delirium if either one of them replaced raycroft.
age for a goalie isn't as detrimental as a skater. look at hasek this year and last, roy won the stanley cup at 38 years old, and hell, broedur is only 34 and has 3 shutouts this year and a .915 sv%.

ps: your roomate was always right.

cheers.
ken

[MacGuyver]

the only show i refuse to watch is otr with michael landsberg. his voice is my nails on a chalkboard.



and you'd celebrate in delirium if either one of them replaced raycroft.
age for a goalie isn't as detrimental as a skater. look at hasek this year and last, roy won the stanley cup at 38 years old, and hell, broedur is only 34 and has 3 shutouts this year and a .915 sv%.

ps: your roomate was always right.

cheers.
ken

hahaha. that's what my roomie always saidsaid too.

yeah landsberg drives me nuts. ugggh.

remember, I never said I was a leafs fan. Its just that since I live here, I scrutinize them. Maybe even root for them a bit. But I'm not a leafs fan by any stretch... the raycroft deal was just stupid. the no pronger deal? even stupider. Ferguson's head would be on a stick right now if it was my call.

[aeroshady]

got me thinking.
if i could have any 5 players on my team -- who would they be.

crosby, kipper, pronger, phaneuf, briere.
i just feel these guys are so dependable or so amazing to come up big when needed. they also have a great fucking attitude and drive.

who would yours be?

cheers.
ken

Brouder
Phaneuf
Niedermayer
Jagr
Bergeron
Shanahan

They have the speed of Niedermayer, The Big man with the good shot from the point in Phaneuf, the Hands, the shot, and the playing making skills of Jagr and Shanny, and the determanation of Bergeron to make something happen in front of the net. And Marty between the pipes would make them a force to win ever game.

[DmBand801]

got me thinking.
if i could have any 5 players on my team -- who would they be.

crosby, kipper, pronger, phaneuf, briere.
i just feel these guys are so dependable or so amazing to come up big when needed. they also have a great fucking attitude and drive.

who would yours be?

cheers.
ken

jagr, brodeur, briere, scott niedermayer and bryan mccabe

[MacGuyver]

jagr, brodeur, briere, scott niedermayer and bryan mccabe


mccabe? Jesus. I live in toronto and he wouldn't be in my top 20 defencemen.

maybe that's cause I see him play and mess up so often though :shrug

[aeroshady]

mccabe? Jesus. I live in toronto and he wouldn't be in my top 20 defencemen.

maybe that's cause I see him play and mess up so often though :shrug

McCabe is nothing without Klee there to feed him the puck.

[DmBand801]

mccabe? Jesus. I live in toronto and he wouldn't be in my top 20 defencemen.

maybe that's cause I see him play and mess up so often though :shrug

i didn't want to copy ken--i wanted my own list :) so i scratched progner....i'll replace mccabe with lidstrom

[Newfiedmbfan]

jagr, brodeur, briere, scott niedermayer and bryan mccabe

Haha, McCAbe? Are you Isaiah Thomas trying his hand at hockey.

Holy shit that is just laughable.

Mine Crosby, Briere, Pronger, Lindstrom, Heatley. Honorable mention to Ovechkin.

Kipper would be my pick between the pipes.

[Newfiedmbfan]

Kenny,

you remind me of my roomie in uni, who is a diehard montreal fan.

We would probably have these debates on a weekly basis. I've never lived in montreal, but from what I hear the pressure from just the sheer amount of media coverage in Toronto is more than in montreal. You probably have a better frame of reference than I do.

Its either toronto - montreal, or montreal - toronto, and I'm good with either one.


PS: I found it great that although you acknowledge that the Tie show is the worst thing ever (which I agree!!!), you still managed to watch it :lol

The pressure is the most intense in Montreal. They accept nothing but a cup.

Toronto is used to losing (thankfully)

But I do agree, the biggest two hockey cities are montreal and Toronto.

But good teams in new york, LA, or Chicago would do worlds of good for the league.

[JohnK86]

Teemu Selänne is killing right now!