NFL Football 2006-2007

[VanHorneDog]

true, and wtf happend to our posts? they got backwards!?!?!?

[Trippin4136]

true, and wtf happend to our posts? they got backwards!?!?!?

yea I don't know what happened there. I went to edit my post and somehow they flipped. Weird, haven't seen that before.

[VanHorneDog]

Tony K is a fucking idiot.

We all know Oakland sucks and whatnot, but as an announcer you aren't supposed to just sit there and tell us how "irrelevant" a team is.

I miss Madden on MNF...Madden finds good things to say about players, teams, etc...

Madden will say a call is bad if a ref makes a bad call, he doesnt act like Tony K or other morons and just go along with bad calls.

i love Madden. i liked it when he was doing the Steeler/Charger game. he kept on talking about Big #76 the whole game. BTW, Williams is a badass. :D

[xBigNastyx]

Jeramy Stevens is a CLOWN...a fucking CLOWN.


That's it.


By the way, he isn't very good at catching a ball and backing his shit up when he talks trash.

[BotheDMBFan]

You are anything BUT an objective viewer.

Irony truly holds no boundaries.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tony K is a fucking idiot.

We all know Oakland sucks and whatnot, but as an announcer you aren't supposed to just sit there and tell us how "irrelevant" a team is.

I miss Madden on MNF...Madden finds good things to say about players, teams, etc...

Madden will say a call is bad if a ref makes a bad call, he doesnt act like Tony K or other morons and just go along with bad calls.

I wish AIDS upon you.

I wish cancer upon you aswell.

I hope your dick turns black and falls off.

[TempHelpNeeded]

That's not a problem with us. Either way we are gonna play them. Brady is just as good inside, sometimes better than outside.


Tonights loss was good cause we saw our defense can hang with Peyton this year. Usually our offense has no problem, but tonight was a different story. Brady doesn't throw that first, stupid INT and we make that field goal and tonight goes a whole different direction.




I stand by my initial comment about the stupidity of the above comment. First of all NE, made alot more mistakes than the two stated above and furthermore the Colts made their share of "mistakes", regardless the game last night was not won or loss in one or two mistakes made by one team (New England).

I am under the assumption that the phrase "goes a whole different direction" is implying that if Brady hadn't thrown the first INT and the NE kicker hadn't missed that field goal attempt; New England would have won the game - that line of reasoning is just stupid.

Some New England Fans :BANG




Yeah they made some mistakes. But one of them wasn't characteristic. Brady doesn't just throw em up into the endzone like that. I'm not saying we should have won. I'm just looking at two instances that normally don't occur with the team. Penalties fucked them, but they deserved them and they tend to happen. I'm not gonna what if those. Nor do I what if. I just saw two plays that aren't normal.


Jeez...some Indiana fans...oh that's right Hoosier and Colts. Good luck with that. At least NASCAR is fun...

[Trippin4136]

I wish AIDS upon you.

I wish cancer upon you aswell.

I hope your dick turns black and falls off.

oh man.....:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

If he fucked with Thiesman, no problem, he's an asshole.

But when you fuck with Tony K, bad shit will happen to you.

[UNC41]

If he fucked with Thiesman, no problem, he's an asshole.

But when you fuck with Tony K, bad shit will happen to you.

PTI Tony K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MNF Tony K

[xBigNastyx]

I wish AIDS upon you.

I wish cancer upon you aswell.

I hope your dick turns black and falls off.

Grow up man. GROW UP.

[BotheDMBFan]

PTI Tony K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MNF Tony K

No doubt about that, but look who he has to work with.

[SteelerMan]

Were you in the Bengals thread with me saying those exact words earlier on in the season? Bad fan base...Someone asked me today why I chose to be a Browns fan instead of a Bengals fan. Ever been to a game at Paul Brown Stadium? Ever been to a game at Cleveland Browns Stadium? There's your answer.

Nah, I missed that conversation, but I definitely agree with you. I know as a Steelers fan, I'm supposed to hate you guys, but I have a lot of respect for Browns fans. Your team has never won anything (unless you want to count your NFL Championships in the pre-Super Bowl era...), yet you continue to go to games and support the team. You even talk shit to Steelers fans!!! As funny as that is, I find it very respectable. I'd say the Steelers and Packers have the best fans in the league, but I'd put the Browns right up there as well.

[SteelerMan]

I hate Tony Kornheiser. I hated his radio show, I hate PTI, and I probably hate him the most on MNF. Yet I still hate Theisman more.

[BotheDMBFan]

I hate Tony Kornheiser. I hated his radio show, I hate PTI, and I probably hate him the most on MNF. Yet I still hate Theisman more.

And you wonder why you guys are 2-6.

You only won the SB last year because a Seahawks fan pissed Tony K off more.

[SteelerMan]

And you wonder why you guys are 2-6.

You only won the SB last year because a Seahawks fan pissed Tony K off more.

We're 2-6 because I hate Tony Kornheiser? :confused

And I don't wonder why we're 2-6... I KNOW why we're 2-6. Turnovers and stupid penalties.

[BotheDMBFan]

NO, you're 2-6 because Tony K wills it to happen.

Also, on aserious note, how can you hate Tony?

[SteelerMan]

NO, you're 2-6 because Tony K wills it to happen.

Also, on aserious note, how can you hate Tony?

He annoys me. Maybe it's his whiny voice, I don't know. I also really don't think he's very knowledgeable when it comes to anything aside from the NFL.

I love Jim Rome, and you probably hate him, so we'll call it even.

[BotheDMBFan]

I like Jim Rome to....on the radio, on TV he's shit.

[SteelerMan]

I like Jim Rome to....on the radio, on TV he's shit.

I agree. I've never really liked his TV shows. The Last Word was okay because it was pretty much just interviews, but I'm not a big fan of Rome Is Burning.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rome is burning is even worst then Quite Frankly.....that is a fucking acomplishment.

[SteelerMan]

Rome is burning is even worst then Quite Frankly.....that is a fucking acomplishment.

Oooh, I wouldn't go that far. I liked Stephen A. Smith when he was doing NBA coverage, but I literally can't watch Quite Frankly.

I love how absolutely nobody is talking about this game that's on.

[BotheDMBFan]

Because watching paint dry is more exciting.

[Tiduwho]

I like Jim Rome to....on the radio, on TV he's shit.

Rome is TERRIBLE on the radio. Seriously, he pauses at the most random times. Reads dumb emails to pass the time, and he just sounds like he's the only one around. His timing when he talks to make points is bad. It's truly boring.

[Tiduwho]

Now that the Raiders have been shut out....again....might I ask how they pulled off all these Prime Time games? I don't get it.

[BotheDMBFan]

Becase if they didn't get 1, Davis would claim a conspiracy.

[Tiduwho]

Becase if they didn't get 1, Davis would claim a conspiracy.

Yes, but we're not talking about one, we're talking about 4.

[BotheDMBFan]

By the way, the Rex Grossman fan club is now dead....unti he earns one.

[dmbmuskie]

The Raiders might be the worst 2 win team in NFL history. They just hopeless. I still cannot believe the Steelers let themselves lose to the Raiders.

[dmbhoosier21]

Yeah they made some mistakes. But one of them wasn't characteristic. Brady doesn't just throw em up into the endzone like that. I'm not saying we should have won. I'm just looking at two instances that normally don't occur with the team. Penalties fucked them, but they deserved them and they tend to happen. I'm not gonna what if those. Nor do I what if. I just saw two plays that aren't normal.


Jeez...some Indiana fans...oh that's right Hoosier and Colts. Good luck with that. At least NASCAR is fun...

"Brady doesn't throw that first, stupid INT and we make that field goal and tonight goes a whole different direction."

:lol What are you frustrated about, that I actually do have some reading comprehension skills? I'm sorry but the above statement definitely implies that NE should have won the game if it wasn't for the 1st INT and some missed field goal. (If I were a NE fan, I'd be bitchin more about the play calling getting away from running the ball down Indy's throat) The thing you have to remember from grade school is that your intended meaning is worthless unless you use the right combination of words to successfully get your point across to your readers.

Seriously there is no need to make personal insults about my reading capabilities.

BTW I am proud to be a Hoosier, thank you. And what does NASCAR have to do with anything at all.......either you think it insults me that Indiana is famous for car races or you have ADHD; which one is it?

Anyways, right now I'd put Indy and NE as the top teams in the AFC and more than likely will face each other at some point in the playoffs. I am just glad that the Colts have essentially a 3 game lead for the #1 seed (accounting for the tie-breakers against the other contenders). I'd much rather Indy play in the dome than NE. The Colts vs. Patriots - best rivarly in football today (IMO) - love it, just don't enjoy interacting with NE fans. :BANG

[BotheDMBFan]

The Raiders might be the worst 2 win team in NFL history. They just hopeless. I still cannot believe the Steelers let themselves lose to the Raiders.

Well, because you guys lost to them, wouldn't that make you guys the worst 2-6 team in history?

[UNC41]

Well, because you guys lost to them, wouldn't that make you guys the worst 2-6 team in history?

Woohoo. Miami is better than Chicago.

[dmbmuskie]

Well, because you guys lost to them, wouldn't that make you guys the worst 2-6 team in history?

In theroy yes it would, but the Steelers have been able to put on something of a fight in every game they have played. The Raiders, not so much.

[SteelerMan]

The Steelers are losing games because of turnovers, special teams, and penalties... the Raiders are losing games because of a lack of talent.

[xBigNastyx]

The Steelers are losing games because of turnovers, special teams, and penalties... the Raiders are losing games because of a lack of talent.


I said the Pats lost to Colts for the same reasons and somehow I am just making excuses and being biased...

Anyways, the Steelers have a lot of talent, they are just giving games away though and beating themselves it seems like.

[dmbhoosier21]

I said the Pats lost to Colts for the same reasons and somehow I am just making excuses and being biased...

Anyways, the Steelers have a lot of talent, they are just giving games away though and beating themselves it seems like.

I think it has to do with the level of talent - Indy and Pats are definitely at the top of the league in terms of talent. The Steelers on paper are also talented - which is why it's easier for the general football fanbase to accept "excuses" for the Steelers when they lose to teams they SHOULD be beating - such as the Raiders. It's harder to accept the same "excuse" when one talented team loses to another talented team. Again, yes the Pats made mistakes but so did the Colts. The Colts may be many things (such as being "soft" in their run D) but with their level of talent - claiming they ONLY won because of another team's mistakes (essentially implying they won due to luck) is a bit ridiculous dont you think?

Anyways that's just my 2 cents - I'm sure we will all be talking about the same thing come January - hopefully

[xBigNastyx]

I think it has to do with the level of talent - Indy and Pats are definitely at the top of the league in terms of talent. The Steelers on paper are also talented - which is why it's easier for the general football fanbase to accept "excuses" for the Steelers when they lose to teams they SHOULD be beating - such as the Raiders. It's harder to accept the same "excuse" when one talented team loses to another talented team. Again, yes the Pats made mistakes but so did the Colts. The Colts may be many things (such as being "soft" in their run D) but with their level of talent - claiming they ONLY won because of another team's mistakes (essentially implying they won due to luck) is a bit ridiculous dont you think?

Anyways that's just my 2 cents - I'm sure we will all be talking about the same thing come January - hopefully


The Falcons are a good team, and the Steelers only lost to them because they gave it away.

[dmbhoosier21]

The Falcons are a good team, and the Steelers only lost to them because they gave it away.

Eh, I'm done arguing with it. Fine, the Colts only won because god's gift to football or otherwise known as the New England Patriots "gave it away" and it had absolutely nothing to do with Manning's performance or Marvin's terrific game or the surprising play of Indy's secondary; whatever makes you guys sleep better at night.

:lol NE fans are definitely "one of a kind" - yikes

[xBigNastyx]

Eh, I'm done arguing with it. Fine, the Colts only won because god's gift to football or otherwise known as the New England Patriots "gave it away" and it had absolutely nothing to do with Manning's performance or Marvin's terrific game or the surprising play of Indy's secondary; whatever makes you guys sleep better at night.

:lol NE fans are definitely "one of a kind" - yikes

Never said that. I give up since you continue to misunderstand my point. I didn't think it was that hard to comprehend.

[dmbhoosier21]

Never said that. I give up since you continue to misunderstand my point. I didn't think it was that hard to comprehend.

ZING! All these years of college education ain't workin' for me apparently, but whatever; agree to disagree

Anyways, on to the rest of the season

Indy vs. Buffalo - Colts should win but after two big "emotional" wins, there might be a let down. Let's hope not.

The last remaining games against relatively tough opponents will be Dallas, PHI ,Jags, and Cinci - I'll say 3-1 (losing to either Dallas or the Jags). I also wouldn't be surprised if Indy drops one against a "weak" opponent but that's only because the Colts will decide to give it away; just to be nice ;)

Indy will probably be 14-2 (13-3 if no team emerges to challenge for the #1 seed and the Colts decide to rest its starters at the end of the season)

Really curious to see how well Chicago can play against the tough part of their schedule.



GO COLTS! :hump

[seekupig]

does anyone know if a team has ever gone 11-5 and missed the playoffs? i know 10-6 has happened a few times but was wondering if that's the best record to not make it.....

[Tiduwho]

Steve Young was lambasted by 49er fans the year he took over from Montana because they were only 10 and 6 and missed the playoffs. Hilarious how quickly they were ready to throw a future Hall of Fame QB under the bus. That is the most famous 10 and 6 I believe.

But of course others like the Chefs.

Never heard of an 11 and 5 though...would make for a good trivia question if there was one.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm pretty sure no one has ever been 11-5 and missed the playoffs. When the Steelers started their run last year, if they didn't get help they would have been the first 11-5 team to sit at home. I'm 99% sure that is right.

[seekupig]

I'm pretty sure no one has ever been 11-5 and missed the playoffs. When the Steelers started their run last year, if they didn't get help they would have been the first 11-5 team to sit at home. I'm 99% sure that is right.

thanks, i figured that was the case. just wondering if the Chiefs could make a run at that this year.....:lol

[dmbmuskie]

thanks, i figured that was the case. just wondering if the Chiefs could make a run at that this year.....:lol

No, thank you because you were one of the team we needed help from.

I like the Cheifs chances this year.

[VanHorneDog]

thanks, i figured that was the case. just wondering if the Chiefs could make a run at that this year.....:lol

only if they beat the chargers in san diego and the broncos. or if the chargers take a loss to the broncos twice.

or if you beat baltimore and jacksonville. the way the AFC west and the AFC North play eachother this year and the fact that you play all the second place teams puts the chiefs in perfect position to set your own fate.

your last game is jacksonville. it will probably come down to that.

[dmblynny]

Is it Sunday yet???? I'm drooling for a win... and some football, of course.



This page belongs on the front!!!! At least ahead of the basketball thread, c'mon now. It's only been a week since the NBA started and I want to punch the TV everytime I see highlights.

[VanHorneDog]

Is it Sunday yet???? I'm drooling for a win... and some football, of course.



This page belongs on the front!!!! At least ahead of the basketball thread, c'mon now. It's only been a week since the NBA started and I want to punch the TV everytime I see highlights.

i agree, i hate watching basketball, most boring sport on the planet. its only fun if its college or in the last 2 minutes.

ill take a 90 minutes 0-0 soccer match any day. :lol (but really i would)

[dmblynny]

i agree, i hate watching basketball, most boring sport on the planet. its only fun if its college or in the last 2 minutes.

ill take a 90 minutes 0-0 soccer match any day. :lol (but really i would)Seriously!!! Let's watch a bunch of tall guys bounce a ball up and down the court for however long they do it. NO THANK YOU!!!!! :p


Anywho ~ Chargers are looking perty good, eh? If that's who your SUPER Chargers are. ha Who do they have this week?

[seekupig]

Is it Sunday yet???? I'm drooling for a win... and some football, of course.



This page belongs on the front!!!! At least ahead of the basketball thread, c'mon now. It's only been a week since the NBA started and I want to punch the TV everytime I see highlights.

wait until college basketball gets into full swing, then you'll really start hating things. college basketball is the only sport i like more than the NFL.

[dmblynny]

wait until college basketball gets into full swing, then you'll really start hating things. college basketball is the only sport i like more than the NFL.
Ohhhh believe me, I know the hype that college basketball stirs up. I wasn't born yesterday. ;)

[Tiduwho]

Well boys, looks like the 49ers might be looking to go on a new Gold Rush, possibly to Santa Clara.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2654743


SAN FRANCISCO -- The San Francisco 49ersended negotiations with the city about building a new stadium and planto move to either Santa Clara or somewhere else in California, The Associated Press learned Wednesday night.

Owner John York notified Mayor Gavin Newsom of the team's decision earlier Wednesday, a city official close to the negotiationstold The AP on condition of anonymity because no announcement had beenmade.

Team spokesman Aaron Salkin declined to comment Wednesday night.

The sides had been talking over the last few months aboutbuilding a privately financed stadium at Candlestick Point that wasgoing to be part of the city's bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

[41ravens]

Well boys, looks like the 49ers might be looking to go on a new Gold Rush, possibly to Santa Clara.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2654743


SAN FRANCISCO -- The San Francisco 49ersended negotiations with the city about building a new stadium and planto move to either Santa Clara or somewhere else in California, The Associated Press learned Wednesday night.

Owner John York notified Mayor Gavin Newsom of the team's decision earlier Wednesday, a city official close to the negotiationstold The AP on condition of anonymity because no announcement had beenmade.

Team spokesman Aaron Salkin declined to comment Wednesday night.

The sides had been talking over the last few months aboutbuilding a privately financed stadium at Candlestick Point that wasgoing to be part of the city's bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

do the 49ers even sell tickets anymore? why would anyone want to build them a new stadium right now?

[dmbmuskie]

Didn't the 49ers have a new stadium approved a few years back? What happened with that.

[dmblynny]

do the 49ers even sell tickets anymore? why would anyone want to build them a new stadium right now?
Now, now. Be nice. It's called LOYALTY. :D

[VanHorneDog]

so, who is the most talented team in the NFL. I say the chargers.

on two reasons

1. LT, Turner, Gates, Rivers, McCardel, Parker, Williams, Neal, Merriman, Edwards, Phillips, Castilio and an honerable mention to our CBs Cromatie and Jammer, their play has been very good this year :D.

2. they are my team. :D

EDIT: yes this is bias.

[dmblynny]

so, who is the most talented team in the NFL. I say the chargers.

on two reasons

1. LT, Turner, Gates, Rivers, McCardel, Parker, Williams, Neal, Merriman, Edwards, Phillips, Castilio and an honerable mention to our CBs Cromatie and Jammer, their play has been very good this year :D.

2. they are my team. :D

EDIT: yes this is bias.I'm going with my Eagles.


A) Donovan is the man. And MY man. :)
Enough said.
the rest of the team ain't so bad either.

You guys all wait and see. Bye week = new start, I feel it!!!!:bounce IS IT SUNDAY YET??????????

[dmbmuskie]

The Steelers have the best talent.
Casey Hamton - best 3-4 DT in the game
Troy Polamalu - best safety in the game
Hines Ward - best all around reciever in the game
Joey Porter - best 3-4 OLB in the game
James Farrior - best 3-4 MLB in the game

Along with those guys you have Ben, Willie, Heath Miller, 3 Pro Bowl Offensive Lineman, Clark Haggans, Larry Foote and Aaron Smith.

[BotheDMBFan]

On offense, it's the Rams.
On defense, Da Bears.

All around, IDK, I'll have to think on it.

[dmbmuskie]

On offense, it's the Rams.
On defense, Da Bears.

All around, IDK, I'll have to think on it.

When healthy I think the Seahawks are the most talented offense. They probably even give the Steelers a run for their money overall.

[BotheDMBFan]

IDK about the Seahawks anymore.

Alexander really didn't respond well to the loss of Hutch, which is a giant loss.


Also, I completly disagree about the Steelers, and what you said about them.

Ward the best reciever in the leauge?

He doesn't have the hands that Holt does, the speed that Moss does, the on field awareness that Marvin does, or the strength that TO does.

I also disagree with your sentiments on Polamalu, as I personally think that it's Ed Reed.

Also, and I don't mean to be a dick, but you'd think that "The most talented team in football" would have more than 2 wins, and wouldn't lose to the Raiders.

[xBigNastyx]

The Steelers have the best talent.
Casey Hamton - best 3-4 DT in the game
Troy Polamalu - best safety in the game
Hines Ward - best all around reciever in the game
Joey Porter - best 3-4 OLB in the game
James Farrior - best 3-4 MLB in the game

Along with those guys you have Ben, Willie, Heath Miller, 3 Pro Bowl Offensive Lineman, Clark Haggans, Larry Foote and Aaron Smith.




:lol :lol :lol :lol

And you guys claim that it's ME who is completely bias...


YEAH RIGHT.

[BotheDMBFan]

Sup Big?

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

And you guys claim that it's ME who is completely bias...


YEAH RIGHT.

Yeah, I think of all the people here, at least mine was a bit fair.

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think Ward is the best at anything among NFL recievers other than blocking, but when you look at his entire skill set I don't think anyone comes close. You always hear that he's not fast enough to be considered an elite reciever, but he ran away from D'Angelo Hall a few weeks ago. He also has played the last 2 years with no help from the other recievers, so he's always facing double and triple teams.

As for Reed and Polamalu I think they're both perfect for their system. Reed plays a lot of center field, while Troy plays everywhere. Most defensive players only excel in the right scheme. I think the 2 best DT in football are Hampton and Tommy Harris, but if you put them in the other person role they wouldn't be as good.

[dmbmuskie]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

And you guys claim that it's ME who is completely bias...


YEAH RIGHT.

If I'm so wrong then make arguments against those guys being the best at their position then. You'll find it is pretty hard to do.

[SteelerMan]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

And you guys claim that it's ME who is completely bias...


YEAH RIGHT.

You're really starting to show your lack of knowledge. I've heard tons of analysts say Polamalu is the best safety in the league, and I've heard several say Hines Ward is the best overall WR in the league (it's pretty much unanimous that he's the best blocking WR). As for the others, notice he said best 3-4 DT or best 3-4 OLB. That doesn't mean they're the best in the league, and there really aren't that many teams that run a 3-4 defense. If you're going to laugh at his argument, at least give us one of your own or provide a good argument against his.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh, I think that Holt is the best WR in the leauge.

Blistering speed, amazing hands, great on field awareness, good attitude towards the game and media(Sadly this has become a factor) .

[xBigNastyx]

You're really starting to show your lack of knowledge. I've heard tons of analysts say Polamalu is the best safety in the league, and I've heard several say Hines Ward is the best overall WR in the league (it's pretty much unanimous that he's the best blocking WR). As for the others, notice he said best 3-4 DT or best 3-4 OLB. That doesn't mean they're the best in the league, and there really aren't that many teams that run a 3-4 defense. If you're going to laugh at his argument, at least give us one of your own or provide a good argument against his.


I didnt disagree with all of his statements, only the statement as a whole. And I said yeah right to the fact that I am the most bias person here the way yall make it seem.

Just because I don't feel like arguing with a Steelers fan and offereing my own thoughts that will counter his bias doesn't mean I don't know about it, just means that I don't want to waste my time with it.

Stop pretending like you know me, cause you really don't. AT ALL.

[dmbmuskie]

I didnt disagree with all of his statements, only the statement as a whole. And I said yeah right to the fact that I am the most bias person here the way yall make it seem.

Just because I don't feel like arguing with a Steelers fan and offereing my own thoughts that will counter his bias doesn't mean I don't know about it, just means that I don't want to waste my time with it.

Stop pretending like you know me, cause you really don't. AT ALL.

I'm not biased at all. I'm just knowledgeable about the game, and most of the people who talk football on here are not. If I would have made that argument last year, no one would have the problem with it that everyone does today. The guys I mentioned there as the best are the best at what they do, and I don't think any other team has that many players who perform their roles better than the Steelers.

What has killed the Steelers this year is the inability to hold onto the football and stopping big athletic recivers. That is why they are 2-6, not because they aren't loaded with talent.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, but they still should have beaten the Raiders.

[dmbmuskie]

Yeah, but they still should have beaten the Raiders.

My intramural teams from college should have beat the Raiders.

[BotheDMBFan]

Exactly, therefore, the Steeler's should have beaten them if htey are "the most talented team in the leauge."

I'd put them top 10 for talent, probably at about 7 or 8.

[dmbmuskie]

Exactly, therefore, the Steeler's should have beaten them if htey are "the most talented team in the leauge."

I'd put them top 10 for talent, probably at about 7 or 8.

It's not Madden. A lot of things go into winning a football game, and talent is actually not that high on my list. Talent simply makes all of the other things that go into winning work better. For every physical freak in the NFL there is a guy undersized and slow kicking his ass week in and week out.

[BotheDMBFan]

I never said it was Madden.

However, "the most talented team in the leauge" should be able to beat the worst team, no?

[dmbmuskie]

I never said it was Madden.

However, "the most talented team in the leauge" should be able to beat the worst team, no?

Any given Sunday....

Seriously, 9 out of 10 times the Raiders lose to the Steelers.

I don't think there is any team out there that would would beat the Steelers a majority of the time.

[BotheDMBFan]

Except the 6 teams that did?


Also, the Pats would have thier way with this Steeler team, same with the Colts, Giants, and Bears.

Maybe others, but those 4 I know.

[Ascf33]

Oh, I think that Holt is the best WR in the leauge.

Blistering speed, amazing hands, great on field awareness, good attitude towards the game and media(Sadly this has become a factor) .

I'd say Steve Smith is the best in the league but Holt is #2 or #3 IMO.

[SteelerMan]

Yeah, but they still should have beaten the Raiders.

With the talent they have, they should have beaten most of the teams they lost to. I wouldn't say the Steelers are the most talented team in the league, but I think they're Top 5. There's definitely no excuse for them being 2-6.

I hate arguing about who the best receiver in football is because there are so many receivers that excel at so many different things that it's hard to pick just one. I'd put Torry Holt up there, along with Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, and Terrell Owens. Yes, I left out Randy Moss and Chad Johnson on purpose. I don't think they're on the same level anymore as the guys I mentioned above. Chad Johnson has had an extremely difficult time getting open this season (and don't say it's because he's double teamed, because Hines Ward is ALWAYS double teamed and still puts up big stats) and Randy Moss isn't the same player he used to be.

[dmbmuskie]

Except the 6 teams that did?


Also, the Pats would have thier way with this Steeler team, same with the Colts, Giants, and Bears.

Maybe others, but those 4 I know.

This season has been the perfect storm of controversy, injuries, bad luck etc. The Steelers lost 7 games the previous 2 years, and they didn't have any real losses in personel, nor are they that old. I've watched every Steelers snap this year atleast twice, and they could easily be undefeated right now. That's not a lie.

[41ravens]

Yeah, I think of all the people here, at least mine was a bit fair.

fair? you picked the rams as the best offense. the two teams you picked were the teams that you're a fan of. you're just as biased as everyone else.

[BotheDMBFan]

fair? you picked the rams as the best offense. the two teams you picked were the teams that you're a fan of. you're just as biased as everyone else.

BUt there are legit reasons behind it.

Bears have a great D, and the Rams have an amazing offense.

[xBigNastyx]

I'm not biased at all. I'm just knowledgeable about the game, and most of the people who talk football on here are not. If I would have made that argument last year, no one would have the problem with it that everyone does today. The guys I mentioned there as the best are the best at what they do, and I don't think any other team has that many players who perform their roles better than the Steelers.

What has killed the Steelers this year is the inability to hold onto the football and stopping big athletic recivers. That is why they are 2-6, not because they aren't loaded with talent.


That is your opinion, and nothing more. Stop pretending like it is factual.

[xBigNastyx]

With the talent they have, they should have beaten most of the teams they lost to. I wouldn't say the Steelers are the most talented team in the league, but I think they're Top 5. There's definitely no excuse for them being 2-6.

I hate arguing about who the best receiver in football is because there are so many receivers that excel at so many different things that it's hard to pick just one. I'd put Torry Holt up there, along with Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, and Terrell Owens. Yes, I left out Randy Moss and Chad Johnson on purpose. I don't think they're on the same level anymore as the guys I mentioned above. Chad Johnson has had an extremely difficult time getting open this season (and don't say it's because he's double teamed, because Hines Ward is ALWAYS double teamed and still puts up big stats) and Randy Moss isn't the same player he used to be.

Chad Johnson is an elite reciever...He is having a tough year because Palmer is still feeling the effects of his knee and his mechanics are off which are causing him troubles throwing the deep ball, which are Johnson's strength.

[xBigNastyx]

This season has been the perfect storm of controversy, injuries, bad luck etc. The Steelers lost 7 games the previous 2 years, and they didn't have any real losses in personel, nor are they that old. I've watched every Steelers snap this year atleast twice, and they could easily be undefeated right now. That's not a lie.

If I say something like this about the Pats, you guys say I am bias.

It is ok for you to say "If the Steelers did this, or didn't do this, they wouldn't have lost"

But I say "If Brady didn't throw INTs against the Colts he woulda won."

I'm gonna go ahead and say what you have said to me "Stop making excuses, you got beaten"

[xBigNastyx]

BUt there are legit reasons behind it.

Bears have a great D, and the Rams have an amazing offense.

They are not legit.

If the Rams have the best offense in the NFL, than I am Peter Pan.

[UNC41]

That backread was full of hilarity.

[BotheDMBFan]

They are not legit.

If the Rams have the best offense in the NFL, than I am Peter Pan.

Not hte best, "the most talented" ;)

[UNC41]

Not hte best, "the most talented" ;)

The Colts' passing game has more talent than the Rams' offense.

[BotheDMBFan]

Rams have 2 HOF worthy WR's, the Colts only have 1 ;)(Here comes the Peyton is a future HOFer too, and I still won't care).

Rams have a legit running game too, one of the best linemen in the leauge(even if every other year, they pay him his Krispy Kreme fund), and of course, the sexiest QB not named Rexy.......Marc Bulger ;)


What, at least I didn't say the Raiders.... ;)

[UNC41]

Rams have 2 HOF worthy WR's, the Colts only have 1 ;)(Here comes the Peyton is a future HOFer too, and I still won't care).

Rams have a legit running game too, one of the best linemen in the leauge(even if every other year, they pay him his Krispy Kreme fund), and of course, the sexiest QB not named Rexy.......Marc Bulger ;)


What, at least I didn't say the Raiders.... ;)

Bruce isn't a lock for the HOF, and even if he was, he's a shade of him former self right now. If we're giving him that level, can we count Edge on Indy? :D

[BotheDMBFan]

Who said Bruce?

I was obviusly talking about Kevin Curtis ;)

[UNC41]

A poor man's Stokley.

[BotheDMBFan]

Then what of Shaun McDonald?


Also, all jokes aside, I think that from 1999-2001 the Rams had the best offense I'd ever seen, and the funnest one to watch.

THat's my opinion, it'll probably get ripped to shreds, oh well.

[Tiduwho]

dmbmuskie, you're killing me smalls. It's pretty simple, if they have all of these guys that are the best in the biz at their position, then shouldn"t they be able to perform like it? Remind me what Porter's done since last year ended.

The Steelers could be undefeated? Wow. Ifs and buts and coco's nuts. The fact is they are 2 and 6, and have looked God Awful all year.



Oh, and if this was last year I would still be calling you a homer about Hines Ward being the best overall wide receiver in the league.




On another note, Isaac Bruce is not a HOF'er.

[dmbhoosier21]

The Colts may not have the best "overall" team - but I do not know how there is even any discussion on who has the best offense in the league. Their passing offense has not even peaked yet.

Stokley has been out pretty much all year, forcing Indy to play a more 2TE offensive sets. They have ran some spread 3WR sets but the slot has been Clark, who is a very good TE but does not have the quickness or speed of Stokley.

Also they have had to depend on a rookie in the backfied - who has done relatively well all year.

Chicago vs. Giants - very excited about that

[dmbmuskie]

That is your opinion, and nothing more. Stop pretending like it is factual.

I'm sure all of the awards the recieve, Pro Bowl appearances, and repsect from their peers is just total bullshit.

dmbmuskie, you're killing me smalls. It's pretty simple, if they have all of these guys that are the best in the biz at their position, then shouldn"t they be able to perform like it? Remind me what Porter's done since last year ended.

The Steelers could be undefeated? Wow. Ifs and buts and coco's nuts. The fact is they are 2 and 6, and have looked God Awful all year.

Oh, and if this was last year I would still be calling you a homer about Hines Ward being the best overall wide receiver in the league.


Every single one of those guys I named is having an awesome season.

Porter missed a few games, but he'll still finish the season with 10 sacks,

Saying the Steelers have looked awful this year is far from the truth. If you watch them on a highlight show, then yes they have been awful. They've been down right dominant most of the season, and beat themselves over and over again with stupid mental mistakes and poor coaching. That's not an excuse for them losing, becuase those sort of things are inexcusable.

[seekupig]

Saying the Steelers have looked awful this year is far from the truth. They've been down right dominant most of the season.

:confused

[BotheDMBFan]

On another note, Isaac Bruce is not a HOF'er.


Why do you say this?

[SteelerMan]

:confused

Yeah, I kind of know what he means. It sounds ridiculous to say a 2-6 team has been "dominant", but as someone else who has watched every Steelers snap this season, they have dominated several of the games they've lost as far as yardage differences go. They outgained the Bengals 365-246, the Falcons 473-399, the Raiders 360-98, and the Broncos 499-336. So how did they lose all of those games? Turnovers. When anyone asks how in the world the defending Super Bowl champions are 2-6, the answer is as simple as that: turnovers. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be 2-6... when you make stupid turnovers like they have, you don't deserve to win. I do understand where he's coming from when he says they've been dominant this season though. It's becoming a weekly ritual for me to sit on the couch 15-20 minutes after a game, staring blankly into space while wondering how in the world they just lost that game.

[dmbmuskie]

Yeah, I kind of know what he means. It sounds ridiculous to say a 2-6 team has been "dominant", but as someone else who has watched every Steelers snap this season, they have dominated several of the games they've lost as far as yardage differences go. They outgained the Bengals 365-246, the Falcons 473-399, the Raiders 360-98, and the Broncos 499-336. So how did they lose all of those games? Turnovers. When anyone asks how in the world the defending Super Bowl champions are 2-6, the answer is as simple as that: turnovers. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be 2-6... when you make stupid turnovers like they have, you don't deserve to win. I do understand where he's coming from when he says they've been dominant this season though. It's becoming a weekly ritual for me to sit on the couch 15-20 minutes after a game, staring blankly into space while wondering how in the world they just lost that game.

Other than the Jacksonville and the 2nd half of the San Diego game I've never got the feeling that we were getting outplayed. What has made the turnovers worse is where they have happened. It seems as if they never come in the middle of the field, and automatically they take points off the board or put them on the board for the opponent.

For several years now the Steelers have managed to lose games they should have won easily, New England and Jacksoville last year, Atlanta in 2002, and Houston as an expansion team. This year it has happened every week.

[SteelerMan]

True. The turnovers seemingly always come at the worst possible moments... usually when we're in the red zone or steadily driving down the field with a chance to either take the lead or put the game away. People who haven't watched the entire games think we're crazy when we say the Steelers are a good team with a bad record, and I don't really blame them... but I think to truly judge this team, you have to have followed each game. One thing I found interesting was that last week Phil Simms, who has done almost every Steelers game on CBS this season (he may have done them all actually), said pretty much the exact same things the two of us have been saying. This team is a freakin' enigma.

[dmbmuskie]

True. The turnovers seemingly always come at the worst possible moments... usually when we're in the red zone or steadily driving down the field with a chance to either take the lead or put the game away. People who haven't watched the entire games think we're crazy when we say the Steelers are a good team with a bad record, and I don't really blame them... but I think to truly judge this team, you have to have followed each game. One thing I found interesting was that last week Phil Simms, who has done almost every Steelers game on CBS this season (he may have done them all actually), said pretty much the exact same things the two of us have been saying. This team is a freakin' enigma.

That's just the thing, is that people have't watched the Steelers play. Most people have probably seen the 3 national games, which were less than spectatular performaces. I watch way too much football, so I've seen every team worth a damn play a few times this year thanks to TIVO and the NFLN, which causes me to think that everyone else sees as much football as I do.

[UNC41]

Saying the Steelers have looked awful this year is far from the truth. If you watch them on a highlight show, then yes they have been awful. They've been down right dominant most of the season, and beat themselves over and over again with stupid mental mistakes and poor coaching. That's not an excuse for them losing, becuase those sort of things are inexcusable.

Part of being dominant is not making the mental mistakes that cause you to lose games.

[BotheDMBFan]

It's hard for me to watch every game that I could watch due to us no longer having Direct TV(I honestly believe that the NFL Ticket is the greatest invention ever.....even better than football or hte TV itself.) and our current cable doesn't get the NFL network.....it's bull shit.

[dmbmuskie]

Part of being dominant is not making the mental mistakes that cause you to lose games.

That's why I didn't say completely dominant.

[xBigNastyx]

I'm sure all of the awards the recieve, Pro Bowl appearances, and repsect from their peers is just total bullshit.



Every single one of those guys I named is having an awesome season.

Porter missed a few games, but he'll still finish the season with 10 sacks,

Saying the Steelers have looked awful this year is far from the truth. If you watch them on a highlight show, then yes they have been awful. They've been down right dominant most of the season, and beat themselves over and over again with stupid mental mistakes and poor coaching. That's not an excuse for them losing, becuase those sort of things are inexcusable.

Why is it that when I said this of the Patriots who beat themselves against the Colts, I get lashed out at saying I am bias?

[xBigNastyx]

That's why I didn't say completely dominant.


Downright dominant, completely dominant......potato, patato....

[BotheDMBFan]

Why is it that when I said this of the Patriots who beat themselves against the Colts, I get lashed out at saying I am bias?
\Becuz there da Patriiost.

[SteelerMan]

Why is it that when I said this of the Patriots who beat themselves against the Colts, I get lashed out at saying I am bias?

Everyone saw that game and disagreed with you.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think that Bellichek beat the Pats.

HOw do you only run the ball 11 times in the second half against that Colts Run D?

[xBigNastyx]

Everyone saw that game and disagreed with you.

Doesn't matter....You can disagree and just disagree....But when it comes down to it, it is still making excuses...Same as muskie is doing, basically he is being a hypocrit.

And still half of Brady's INTs were giftwrapped for the Colts, and the Pats gave the Colts over 100 yards on stupid penalties, so you can NOT argue that they didn't partially give away that game.


People need to stick to one opinion here and not go back and forth...

Here's my impersonation of muskie:

:Haha BigNasty, you say the Pats gave the game away, you are just making excuses, why cant you admit that you just lost....The Steelers could easily be undefeated, they have given their games away because they have been downright dominant"

What. The. Fuck.

The Broncos whooped the fucking shit out of your little secondary, but I suppose you guys gave that game away and were dominant huh?

[dmbmuskie]

Downright dominant, completely dominant......potato, patato....

Did you miss the part about most of the time? You're a freaking idiot.

[xBigNastyx]

I think that Bellichek beat the Pats.

HOw do you only run the ball 11 times in the second half against that Colts Run D?

I would agree with that. I'm not sure why we got away from the run.

I have so much confidence that we won't lose to them if we play them again this year. We won't giftwrap the game this time..

Morons in here will say I am being bias and what not, but I don't give a damn. I am being realistic.

[xBigNastyx]

Did you miss the part about most of the time? You're a freaking idiot.

Grow up, and quit bringing yourself down to a petty level with starting personal insults.

By the way, dominant MOST of the season does not ever equate with a 2-6 record...
I guess they dominated the Raiders huh? Even though they lost.

[BotheDMBFan]

I would agree with that. I'm not sure why we got away from the run.

I have so much confidence that we won't lose to them if we play them again this year. We won't giftwrap the game this time..

Morons in here will say I am being bias and what not, but I don't give a damn. I am being realistic.

I agree with this.

Also, if there is one team I hate more than the Pats, it's the fuckin' Colts.

[BotheDMBFan]

Grow up, and quit bringing yourself down to a petty level with starting personal insults.

By the way, dominant MOST of the season does not ever equate with a 2-6 record...
I guess they dominated the Raiders huh? Even though they lost.

They did dominate them in total yards.......sadly, they couldn't dominate them in points scored.

[Tiduwho]

Yeah, I kind of know what he means. It sounds ridiculous to say a 2-6 team has been "dominant", but as someone else who has watched every Steelers snap this season, they have dominated several of the games they've lost as far as yardage differences go. They outgained the Bengals 365-246, the Falcons 473-399, the Raiders 360-98, and the Broncos 499-336. So how did they lose all of those games? Turnovers.

Wow, you can't be serious. That's the effing point: good teams and good players are not supposed to make mental mistakes. Since when are turnovers not a part of the game?

[xBigNastyx]

They did dominate them in total yards.......sadly, they couldn't dominate them in points scored.

Oh, I know. But you can't use the word "dominate" in a game where a team loses. You can say they outplayed them and shoulda won, but you don't dominate and lose.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wow, you can't be serious. That's the effing point: good teams and good players are not supposed to make mental mistakes. Since when are turnovers not a part of the game?

Oh if only they weren't.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh, I know. But you can't use the word "dominate" in a game where a team loses. You can say they outplayed them and shoulda won, but you don't dominate and lose.

I get where you're coming from, and I'm certainly no Steelers supporter, but Steeler man had some good points, as did Muskie, however "dominate" is certianl not the word that should have been used.

[xBigNastyx]

Wow, you can't be serious. That's the effing point: good teams and good players are not supposed to make mental mistakes. Since when are turnovers not a part of the game?


I guess I am the only one who is "bias" around here.

Such bullshit. I'm not bias, but you people in here pretend I am, but all these Steelers fans come in and they are worse and no one tells them they are being bias.

Ridic.



I guess I'll heed some old advice in that you can't argue with an idiot (not talking to you tiduwho)

[SteelerMan]

Wow, you can't be serious. That's the effing point: good teams and good players are not supposed to make mental mistakes. Since when are turnovers not a part of the game?

So you're saying it's impossible for a team to dominate a game, yet lose because of one or two turnovers?

[xBigNastyx]

Wow, you can't be serious. That's the effing point: good teams and good players are not supposed to make mental mistakes. Since when are turnovers not a part of the game?

I think it is hilarious that they are saying this "we lost because of turnovers"

I said the SAME THING about the Pats/Colts game. We lost because we gave the ball away.

I say the SAME THING and get grilled for it..What is that about?

[dmbmuskie]

Grow up, and quit bringing yourself down to a petty level with starting personal insults.

By the way, dominant MOST of the season does not ever equate with a 2-6 record...
I guess they dominated the Raiders huh? Even though they lost.

They dominated the Raiders just check the box score. The Raiders were incredibely luck to win that game. The didn't cause any of the turnovers as much as they lucked their way into them. The first TD was a half inch away from being a 25 yard gain, but somehow Morrison got a finger tip on it popping it up in the air. The ball Morrisson actually picked off he literally got thrown 5 yards backwards while trying to blitz, and ended up right in the throwing lane. The 2nd TD was inexcusebale.



You can call me a moron, but I cannot call you an idiot. That's interesting.

[xBigNastyx]

So you're saying it's impossible for a team to dominate a game, yet lose because of one or two turnovers?

One or two? The Steelers have been comitting more than 2 turnovers most of the time it seems like.

[SteelerMan]

I think it is hilarious that they are saying this "we lost because of turnovers"

I said the SAME THING about the Pats/Colts game. We lost because we gave the ball away.

I say the SAME THING and get grilled for it..What is that about?

You get way too defensive. Talking about football is supposed to be fun... you seem to let it consume you and fill you with anger and hate. I haven't had "fun" reading this thread for quite some time, so I'm done. Have fun getting pissed off at people you never have and never will meet.

[BotheDMBFan]

I guess I am the only one who is "bias" around here.

Such bullshit. I'm not bias, but you people in here pretend I am, but all these Steelers fans come in and they are worse and no one tells them they are being bias.

Ridic.



I guess I'll heed some old advice in that you can't argue with an idiot (not talking to you tiduwho)

We're all outrageously bias here.

Which is fine, because they are our teams, and you're supposed to support them through thick and thin.

[dmbmuskie]

I get where you're coming from, and I'm certainly no Steelers supporter, but Steeler man had some good points, as did Muskie, however "dominate" is certianl not the word that should have been used.

How about should have controlled the outcome of the game, does that work better for everyone?

[xBigNastyx]

They dominated the Raiders just check the box score. The Raiders were incredibely luck to win that game. The didn't cause any of the turnovers as much as they lucked their way into them. The first TD was a half inch away from being a 25 yard gain, but somehow Morrison got a finger tip on it popping it up in the air. The ball Morrisson actually picked off he literally got thrown 5 yards backwards while trying to blitz, and ended up right in the throwing lane. The 2nd TD was inexcusebale.



You can call me a moron, but I cannot call you an idiot. That's interesting.

Show me where I personally called you a moron....Can't find it? I didn't think so.


By the way, you are such a hypocrit man it's insane. The Colts didn't cause a lot of the Pats fumbles either, they were lucky...You need to practice what you preach...Either stop saying the Steelers only lose by luck, or shut the fuck up and stop saying that I am bias when I say essentially the same thing.

[BotheDMBFan]

Let's put it this way, we're all bias idiots.

[xBigNastyx]

You get way too defensive. Talking about football is supposed to be fun... you seem to let it consume you and fill you with anger and hate. I haven't had "fun" reading this thread for quite some time, so I'm done. Have fun getting pissed off at people you never have and never will meet.


I agree it is supposd to be fun, which is why I don't get why I am told I am so wrong and bias and dumb when I said the Pats gave a game away.

[xBigNastyx]

Muskie I havent seen you respond to how I said you are a hypocrit...You grill me for saying something about my team, and then you say the exact same thing about yours.

You are being a hypocrit, and I'm not the only one that feels that way about you.

[dmbmuskie]

Show me where I personally called you a moron....Can't find it? I didn't think so.


By the way, you are such a hypocrit man it's insane. The Colts didn't cause a lot of the Pats fumbles either, they were lucky...You need to practice what you preach...Either stop saying the Steelers only lose by luck, or shut the fuck up and stop saying that I am bias when I say essentially the same thing.

You called me a moron, idiot, etc, a couple times, it's just been indirect.

I'm pretty sure I've said the Pats lost to the Colts because they aren't as good as most Pats fans still believe them to be. That's the same reason they lost to the Broncos. They also have yet to succesfully replace Crennel and Weis, so their gameplanning isn't what is used to be.

[dmbmuskie]

Can we get a list of people who think I'm a hypcrite?

[xBigNastyx]

Can we get a list of people who think I'm a hypcrite?


Nope.

And you are still dodging my question..

The Pats are far better than the Steelers.

But you're right, the Steelers dominated the Broncos, but gave it away. :rolleyes

[BotheDMBFan]

You called me a moron, idiot, etc, a couple times, it's just been indirect.

I'm pretty sure I've said the Pats lost to the Colts because they aren't as good as most Pats fans still believe them to be. That's the same reason they lost to the Broncos. They also have yet to succesfully replace Crennel and Weis, so their gameplanning isn't what is used to be.

And they won't for a time to come.

[dmbmuskie]

Nope.

And you are still dodging my question..

The Pats are far better than the Steelers.

But you're right, the Steelers dominated the Broncos, but gave it away. :rolleyes

What question am I dodging?

[xBigNastyx]

What question am I dodging?

nm, it's not worth it.

[dmbmuskie]

Alright, you fellows have a nice day. I'm off to the bar to watch OSU.

[UNC41]

I guess I am the only one who is "bias" around here.

Such bullshit. I'm not bias, but you people in here pretend I am, but all these Steelers fans come in and they are worse and no one tells them they are being bias.

Ridic.



I guess I'll heed some old advice in that you can't argue with an idiot (not talking to you tiduwho)

You are, but you're not by any means the only one.

[Tiduwho]

They dominated the Raiders just check the box score. The Raiders were incredibely luck to win that game. The didn't cause any of the turnovers as much as they lucked their way into them. The first TD was a half inch away from being a 25 yard gain, but somehow Morrison got a finger tip on it popping it up in the air. The ball Morrisson actually picked off he literally got thrown 5 yards backwards while trying to blitz, and ended up right in the throwing lane. The 2nd TD was inexcusebale.



You can call me a moron, but I cannot call you an idiot. That's interesting.

Yes, they dominated the Raiders. Blah blah blah support your point by just talking about the Raiders. And the other 5 games?

[Ascf33]

G-Men.

[dmbfd15]

I just got tickets to Tampa Bay vs. Dallas ON Thanksgiving :) :)

[xBigNastyx]

You are, but you're not by any means the only one.

I'm not.

[Tiduwho]

I just got tickets to Tampa Bay vs. Dallas ON Thanksgiving :) :)


I mean, Tampa? I'd personally prefer the Gluttony Feast and watch it on TV. Gluttony Day only comes around once a year.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm not.

Yeah, you are, but you're not the only one.

[dmbhoosier21]

And still half of Brady's INTs were giftwrapped for the Colts, and the Pats gave the Colts over 100 yards on stupid penalties, so you can NOT argue that they didn't partially give away that game.





Indy had 354 total net yards to the Pats 349 total net yards

Indy had 7 penalties (68 yards) and Pats had 8 (81 yards) - not a huge difference IMO

Neither team "dominated" -

Overall the game was pretty even - with Indy just finding a way to win while playing mediocre football (as they have been doing all year)

While you are entitled to your opinion (obviously) about Indy's defense playing relatively no part in NE offense's turnovers - I, like most fans, think NE lost because they got away from the running game as opposed to "giftwrapped" turnovers and/or stupid penalties by NE. Not that it matters at this point.......just wanted to clear up that whole turnover thing

[luke7]

I don't understand why week after week the guys on these preview shows keep picking the Steelers to beat teams that are clearly better than them this year.

[SteelerMan]

I don't understand why week after week the guys on these preview shows keep picking the Steelers to beat teams that are clearly better than them this year.

It's pretty simple... talent-wise, the Steelers are better than most of the teams they play. If they don't turn the ball over, they should win almost every week. The players haven't changed much at all over the past two seasons in which they went 26-6... the difference is that they're turning the ball over this year, something they haven't done the past two seasons. The talent is still there, but the execution is sorely lacking.

[Trippin4136]

well today will be a good test for the Steelers. I think New Orleans is a very talented team and Drew Brees keeps getting better and better. Also, it would be a statement game for the Saints.

[dmbhoosier21]

On paper there should be no discussion about the talent of the Steelers, but of course the team has to translate that onto the playing field - which .......well there's a reason why they are 2-6.

[luke7]

It's pretty simple... talent-wise, the Steelers are better than most of the teams they play. If they don't turn the ball over, they should win almost every week. The players haven't changed much at all over the past two seasons in which they went 26-6... the difference is that they're turning the ball over this year, something they haven't done the past two seasons. The talent is still there, but the execution is sorely lacking.

Plain and simple, they are a bad team this year. At some point they have to admit it.

[Tiduwho]

I don't understand why week after week the guys on these preview shows keep picking the Steelers to beat teams that are clearly better than them this year.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent?source=nav

Not even ONE guy thinks the Saints can beat a 2 and 6 team. I think Bradshaw is the only one that takes them seriously (actually seriously, not "let's be nice to hurricane katrina victims' team" seriously).

[luke7]

The Bengals are playing like they are pissed. The Chargers better score soon.

[dmbmuskie]

Yes, they dominated the Raiders. Blah blah blah support your point by just talking about the Raiders. And the other 5 games?

They had maybe the most impressive win I have ever seen against KC.

The Bengals were done, until we put the ball on the ground twice in 10 plays.

The Falcons had no bussiness being in the game.

I'm sick of trying to argue a point, that no one is ever going to accept.

[Tiduwho]

Lmao, this Chargers/Bengals game is ridiculous. There's no such thing as defense anymore. I guess without Merroids the Chargers defense is a thin plastic sheet. 38 points and it's still the 3rd quarter.

[Trippin4136]

I wish the Bengals/Chargers game was on here.

[luke7]

I wish the Bengals/Chargers game was on here.

Are you in Ohio ? The game is crazy. LT is the MVP this year.

[luke7]

Lmao, this Chargers/Bengals game is ridiculous. There's no such thing as defense anymore. I guess without Merroids the Chargers defense is a thin plastic sheet. 38 points and it's still the 3rd quarter.

Much rather watch this type of game than a 9-3 game.

[UNC41]

After taking a dump for the first seven games of the year, Miami has come up with two impressive wins back-to-back. I really wish they would have started the year playing anywhere near this level.

[Trippin4136]

Are you in Ohio ? The game is crazy. LT is the MVP this year.

no i'm not. the game is now since the Jets/Pats game ended.

That hit on TJ should have gotten McCree tossed from the game.

[luke7]

After taking a dump for the first seven games of the year, Miami has come up with two impressive wins back-to-back. I really wish they would have started the year playing anywhere near this level.

Same here. Happy for the win, but not getting my hopes up. Only a matter of time before Brett Favre breaks Dan Marino's TD record.

[Dancing Ants]

Does Washington's loss make the Cowboys the worst team in the NFC East? I have to think it does...

[luke7]

The Bengals can begin preparing for the draft now.

[Dancing Ants]

who's the announcer for the Cows/Cards game?

"Dallas's Offensive line is solid"...what?

[luke7]

Bad lost for the Bengals. They have no defense. Up 28-7 and still lose. The NFL is in great shape with QB's for the future, Rivers and Palmer.

[UNC41]

Same here. Happy for the win, but not getting my hopes up. Only a matter of time before Brett Favre breaks Dan Marino's TD record.

I'm just hoping for some good football out of them. Even with the horrific start to the year there is no way I hope they suck their way into a good draft pick. I heart Ronnie Brown.

[Dancing Ants]

i sometimes wonder if ANYONE can hold onto a ball in this league anymore.

[luke7]

Really good young QB's in the NFL with good talent around them. Palmer, E. Manning, Rivers, Brees.

[Dancing Ants]

...Romo looks promising.

[41ravens]

...Romo looks promising.

fuck yeah he does. i'm so pissed about last week. had we won and then won today, with everyone else losing like they are, we could be the third best team in the nfc after today. fuckin' a.

[dmbmuskie]

I know this will piss everyone off, but I laughed when TJ got drilled my McRee. It was like something out of Any Given Sunday.

[Dancing Ants]

fuck yeah he does. i'm so pissed about last week. had we won and then won today, with everyone else losing like they are, we could be the third best team in the nfc after today. fuckin' a.

we could've been the second best. would've been 6-3. sigh...5-4. we are third place now.

maybe the giants will lose tonight and we'll get a little closer.

[41ravens]

does anyone in the nfc want to go to the playoffs? how many teams have 5-6 wins right now? like, 12?

[41ravens]

we could've been the second best. would've been 6-3. sigh...5-4. we are third place now.

maybe the giants will lose tonight and we'll get a little closer.

new orleans just lost. son of a bitch. damn those redskins! damn them all! i hope the giants lose. i hate the bears with a passion, but any giants loss is a huge help to us. let's go bears!

*pukes in mouth*

[Tiduwho]

Mangini walks into Foxboro and embarrasses Belichek. Serves him right. :thumbsup

[41ravens]

Mangini walks into Foxboro and embarrasses Belichek. Serves him right. :thumbsup

yeah, that was pretty awesome. any time the pats lose, i enjoy it.

[Tiduwho]

Wow, that would've been awesome had the Raiders pulled that off. Lameness, bailing out the Broncos.

[SteelerMan]

Plain and simple, they are a bad team this year. At some point they have to admit it.

Like I've been saying week after week... if they don't turn the ball over and beat themselves, they can beat ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. They have the talent to compete, and if they can keep executing like they did today (the offense anyway... the secondary was horrible), who knows what could happen. I wouldn't be shoveling dirt on us just yet.

[luke7]

Like I've been saying week after week... if they don't turn the ball over and beat themselves, they can beat ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. They have the talent to compete, and if they can keep executing like they did today (the offense anyway... the secondary was horrible), who knows what could happen. I wouldn't be shoveling dirt on us just yet.

Holes too deep I fear.

[UNC41]

The trifecta is looking promising right now.

Miami won.
New England lost.
Chicago losing.

[SteelerMan]

Holes too deep I fear.

Probably so. I haven't lost all hope yet though.

[dmbmuskie]

If the Titans could have held on today, I would feel a lot better. I think the Ravens are bound for 11 wins now.

[jimibadfish]

The Saints will find a way to make Auburn my favorite football program to root for this year. Man, it's tough loving them.

[dmbmuskie]

The Saints will find a way to make Auburn my favorite football program to root for this year. Man, it's tough loving them.

They're going to be real good real soon. I think they're missing a few pieces of defense before they'll be a real Super Bowl contender. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they're there next year.

[seekupig]

Like I've been saying week after week... if they don't turn the ball over and beat themselves, they can beat ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. They have the talent to compete, and if they can keep executing like they did today (the offense anyway... the secondary was horrible), who knows what could happen. I wouldn't be shoveling dirt on us just yet.

i'd like your chances a lot better if you played in the NFC.... but you need way too much help to have chance in the AFC.

[UNC41]

i'd like your chances a lot better if you played in the NFC.... but you need way too much help to have chance in the AFC.

I have no choice, but to give you a little shit for Miami's win today.

http://designersalliance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/shit.jpeg

[seekupig]

I have no choice, but to give you a little shit for Miami's win today.

http://designersalliance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/shit.jpeg

not cool. ;)

i was one of the people on the Miami bandwagon early in the year. they made me look stupid, and now they're looking like the team i thought they'd be. KC isn't looking like they'll make the playoffs for a while as long as they're stuck in a division with the Broncos and Chargers. oh well...... Rock, Chalk, Jayhawk.

[41ravens]

thanks, chicago! now you can go ahead and start losing games again.

[Tiduwho]

The trifecta is looking promising right now.

Miami won.
New England lost.
Chicago losing.

Sorry to disappoint you. :evil

[xBigNastyx]

Like I've been saying week after week... if they don't turn the ball over and beat themselves, they can beat ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. They have the talent to compete, and if they can keep executing like they did today (the offense anyway... the secondary was horrible), who knows what could happen. I wouldn't be shoveling dirt on us just yet.

This could be said about most teams though. If we don't turn the ball over and we execute every play correctly, we will have a good chance at winning...Well no shit.

[Tiduwho]

You know, I'm kinda wondering. With all the nonstop hubbub about the Bears weak schedule....how come no one ever says anything about the Chargers? They haven't beaten a single team above .500....

[BotheDMBFan]

Because it's funner to hate on CHitown.

[xBigNastyx]

You know, I'm kinda wondering. With all the nonstop hubbub about the Bears weak schedule....how come no one ever says anything about the Chargers? They haven't beaten a single team above .500....

I've said before that the Chargers are over rated...

[UNC41]

You know, I'm kinda wondering. With all the nonstop hubbub about the Bears weak schedule....how come no one ever says anything about the Chargers? They haven't beaten a single team above .500....

Because you touch yourself?

I said before once the Bears beat a good team on the road I'll take them as 100% legit and that happened tonight. I still think they've got huge question marks, but tonights win was big in my eyes. I haven't called either team out on their schedule, that was just my thoughts on the Bears.

[BotheDMBFan]

Also, it's ALWAYS nice to see Bill Murray rooting on Da Bears.

[Tiduwho]

Because you touch yourself?

I said before once the Bears beat a good team on the road I'll take them as 100% legit and that happened tonight. I still think they've got huge question marks, but tonights win was big in my eyes. I haven't called either team out on their schedule, that was just my thoughts on the Bears.

Dude, I was starting a conversation to talk about the Chargers. Where did that come from? How did you interpret that as an attack at you? :confused

[UNC41]

Dude, I was starting a conversation to talk about the Chargers. Where did that come from? How did you interpret that as an attack at you? :confused

I didn't. I just enjoy busting out the "Because you touch yourself" to questions people who make claims won't give you answers to.

Two reasons I do like the Chargers though is because they have the best player in football and a very good defense.

[Tiduwho]

I didn't. I just enjoy busting out the "Because you touch yourself" to questions people who make claims won't give you answers to.

Two reasons I do like the Chargers though is because they have the best player in football and a very good defense.

Not without Merroids.


I love LT.

[VanHorneDog]

You know, I'm kinda wondering. With all the nonstop hubbub about the Bears weak schedule....how come no one ever says anything about the Chargers? They haven't beaten a single team above .500....

2 reasons

1. The highest scoring team in the NFL
2. Up until today a very good defense ranked #2(hahah)

i mean, the schedual might be weak, but they hold their opposition to few yards (typically) and score a lot.

the two games they lost they where not beaten, but indeed gave them away. take away 2 turnovers in the KC game and add some pass plays in the ravens game and you are looking at a 9-0 charger team. however, i think there is plenty of reason to call them overrated based on schedual. but, the steelers, rams, bengals are not easy wins.

the win today shows that they can be a big time team however many yards they may have given up

i think next sunday night however will be the true test of where the chargers stand.

even if the chargers are overrated, this same team did beat some good teams last year and are maturing as a football team. 7-2 is pretty good still. ;) i think they can beat anybody in the league.

[VanHorneDog]

Not without Merroids.


I love LT.

its not just merriman why we are not as good as we where, we are using 3rd string LB right now cuz of the injuries. if it wasnt for phillips return today we probably would have lost (he got the FF and FR on the 10)

[TwoStep2888]

Packers won. I'm happy. :D

[UNC41]

Not without Merroids.


I love LT.

They'll get him back. He may not be as effective before, but he's still a damn good player.

[UCFish]

Packers won. I'm happy. :D

Even though I am a die hard Bears fan I still will root for the Pack when they are not playing the Bears. Must have been all those times I played as the Packers on Madden.

[dmbmuskie]

Is it fair to say we can cross the Patriots off the list of legit Super Bowl contenders? They haven't beat anyone of signifigance yet, and Brady's accuracy and yards per attempt are way down this year. The Steelers and Bengals obituaries were already written and published, and New Engaland is getting there quickly.

I cannot believe the New England, Pittsburgh, and Cincy have all been so disappointing. I would have penciled atleast 1 of those teams into the AFC championship game before the season started.

[Tiduwho]

Is it fair to say we can cross the Patriots off the list of legit Super Bowl contenders? They haven't beat anyone of signifigance yet, and Brady's accuracy and yards per attempt are way down this year. The Steelers and Bengals obituaries were already written and published, and New Engaland is getting there quickly.

I cannot believe the New England, Pittsburgh, and Cincy have all been so disappointing. I would have penciled atleast 1 of those teams into the AFC championship game before the season started.

If the Pats lose to the Green Bay Favres next week, and then the Bears the following week, then you can think about writing them off. Now? That's nonsense.

[Trippin4136]

Yea man, the Patriots are 6-3. No reason whatsoever to write them off. But, losing to the Jets certainly exposed them. Brady has been very off the last 2 weeks. I can't wait to see how they handle the Bears game or down the line against the Chargers great offense or the Ravens defense or the Broncos/Colts again.

The Pats aren't written off, just EXPOSED.

[SteelerMan]

Yeah, I think the Patriots are still pretty much a lock to win that division (I'm still not sold on the Jets), so as long as they're in position to make the playoffs, you can't write them off. The fact that they're 1-3 against teams with winning records doesn't bode well for their chances once they get to the playoffs though.

[VanHorneDog]

Playoffs go like this in the AFC

1.Colts
2.Broncos
3.Ravens
4.Patriots
5.Chargers
6.Chiefs

chargers beat the patriots and the chiefs beat the ravens

colts beat the cheifs and the chargers beat the broncos

the chargers beat the colts

and the chargers beat the G men


*this is a little bias.

[41ravens]

Playoffs go like this in the AFC

1.Colts
2.Broncos
3.Ravens
4.Patriots
5.Chargers
6.Chiefs

chargers beat the patriots and the chiefs beat the ravens

colts beat the cheifs and the chargers beat the broncos

the chargers beat the colts

and the chargers beat the G men


*this is a little bias.

i'll give you $10 american if the chargers and giants play in the super bowl.

[xBigNastyx]

Is it fair to say we can cross the Patriots off the list of legit Super Bowl contenders? They haven't beat anyone of signifigance yet, and Brady's accuracy and yards per attempt are way down this year. The Steelers and Bengals obituaries were already written and published, and New Engaland is getting there quickly.

I cannot believe the New England, Pittsburgh, and Cincy have all been so disappointing. I would have penciled atleast 1 of those teams into the AFC championship game before the season started.


:lol :lol

[Tiduwho]

Playoffs go like this in the AFC

1.Colts
2.Broncos
3.Ravens
4.Patriots
5.Chargers
6.Chiefs

chargers beat the patriots and the chiefs beat the ravens

colts beat the cheifs and the chargers beat the broncos

the chargers beat the colts

and the chargers beat the G men


*this is a little bias.

The Colts choking in the playoffs is always possible, but I don't think that San Diego will march into Indy and beat them on their homefield.

I also don't see the Giants going into Soldier Field and winning. The Panthers or Eagles are another story...but we'll cross that road when we get there.

[xBigNastyx]

Who else loved it when Chad Johnson mocked Merriods' little celebration dance?

[Trippin4136]

Anything related to Chad Johnson and end zone celebrations is fantastic.

[SteelerMan]

Who else loved it when Chad Johnson mocked Merriods' little celebration dance?

That was nice, but I loved it even more when the Bengals ended up losing.

[Trippin4136]

that may have been the most explosive offense game I've ever witness in the NFL. Seriously, what other game do you know off hand that had 100 points scored and nearly 1000 total yards?

[SteelerMan]

that may have been the most explosive offense game I've ever witness in the NFL. Seriously, what other game do you know off hand that had 100 points scored and nearly 1000 total yards?

Steelers-Saints actually had more total yards (not as many points though).

[Trippin4136]

Steelers-Saints actually had more total yards (not as many points though).

really?! damn...I stopped watching that game about halftime.

[SteelerMan]

Yeah... they had 984 total yards. The Bengals-Chargers had 975. :lol Not much of a difference, but it's strange to see two games in one week with that much offense.

[xBigNastyx]

Who here still thinks the Bears are the best team in the NFL? Aside from Bears fans...


I'm starting to come around and think that the Colts are the best team...Their defense leaves something to be desired, but they are winning close games, and they always find a way to pull it out...

I know I said the Chargers are over rated, but now that I think about it, IMO the Chargers are better than the Bears....

[Trippin4136]

I'd say Colts than a tossup b/t the Bears and Chargers. I have to assume yesterday was an aberration of San Diego's D, but Philip Rivers has that offense scorching.

As a Giants fan. Ouch. Big ouch to witness it.

[xBigNastyx]

I'd say Colts than a tossup b/t the Bears and Chargers. I have to assume yesterday was an aberration of San Diego's D, but Philip Rivers has that offense scorching.

As a Giants fan. Ouch. Big ouch to witness it.


IMO Grossman started off hot against weak teams, but everytime he has faced a decent defense he has sucked...

He ended well yesterday against a depleted NYG team...


If the Bears were in the AFC, IMO they would not be talked about as the best team in the NFL...

I'm starting to get worried about my Pats...They shouldn't have lost to the fucking JETS. The JETS! Give me a break...I was so in shock yesterday, I couldn't even talk about it when people would ask me about it.

[Tiduwho]

Favre's having a bit of a resurgence. And Donald Driver is having an outstanding year, Ahman Green is back. Don't overlook the Pack next week.

[xBigNastyx]

Favre's having a bit of a resurgence. And Donald Driver is having an outstanding year, Ahman Green is back. Don't overlook the Pack next week.

I dono if you're implying that I am overlooking GB, but never said anything about next week...

If you weren't, my bad..


The Packers are improved, but they havent really beaten anyone good...Minnesota isn't very good, we thought they were for a little while, but they just arent...I am worried about the Patriots, but I fully expect them to find a way to win next week. I REALLY don't see them dropping 3 in a row...

[dmbmuskie]

I love that I got laughed at for saying the Pats are not a legit Super Bowl contender right now. They've lost to the 2 best teams in the AFC, have lost 2 in a row at home where they were reportedly invincible, Brady is having perhaps his worst season ever, which is reflective of many flaws in the team. I'm saying right now the Jets win the Division.

What cracked me up about Chad's dance was that he threw the Joey Porter kick in at the end as well.

[thebigv]

What cracked me up about Chad's dance was that he threw the Joey Porter kick in at the end as well.

I think his dance was basically a "Fuck AFC Linebackers" dance. Good stuff.

[dmbmuskie]

I think his dance was basically a "Fuck AFC Linebackers" dance. Good stuff.

He should have gone on to some Ray Lewis too.

His kiss with a comatose TJ was nice too.

I really love the guy. The interview after the game was funny as hell. "We're not supposed to say how we feel about the loss to the media, so I won't. I just want everyone to know that I'm pissed off." That's paraphrased heavily.

[RJ2kWJ]

About fuggin time...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660635

Hopefully he can be tous what Tony has been to Dallas, what Rivers has been for the SuperChargers, etc...

[xBigNastyx]

I love that I got laughed at for saying the Pats are not a legit Super Bowl contender right now. They've lost to the 2 best teams in the AFC, have lost 2 in a row at home where they were reportedly invincible, Brady is having perhaps his worst season ever, which is reflective of many flaws in the team. I'm saying right now the Jets win the Division.

What cracked me up about Chad's dance was that he threw the Joey Porter kick in at the end as well.

They are 6-3...Season is not over yet...There's no way the Jets win the division...

[xBigNastyx]

He should have gone on to some Ray Lewis too.

His kiss with a comatose TJ was nice too.

I really love the guy. The interview after the game was funny as hell. "We're not supposed to say how we feel about the loss to the media, so I won't. I just want everyone to know that I'm pissed off." That's paraphrased heavily.


He said 'there were a lot of people pissed off in here until you guys got here"

He never said HE was pissed off.

[xBigNastyx]

About fuggin time...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660635

Hopefully he can be tous what Tony has been to Dallas, what Rivers has been for the SuperChargers, etc...


I'm not a fan of running QBs AT ALL.

[41ravens]

About fuggin time...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660635

Hopefully he can be tous what Tony has been to Dallas, what Rivers has been for the SuperChargers, etc...

whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy....there's only one tony romo.

[RJ2kWJ]

whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy....there's only one tony romo.

I'm just saying... I hope he can be one of the factors to help pull us out of this shit hole we are in.

[UNC41]

Who here still thinks the Bears are the best team in the NFL? Aside from Bears fans...


I'm starting to come around and think that the Colts are the best team...Their defense leaves something to be desired, but they are winning close games, and they always find a way to pull it out...

I know I said the Chargers are over rated, but now that I think about it, IMO the Chargers are better than the Bears....

I never thought the Bears were the best team in the NFL. I've got the Colts as the top team right now and then Chicago, Denver and San Diego in the mix for the second best team.

[Trippin4136]

I'm starting to get worried about my Pats...They shouldn't have lost to the fucking JETS. The JETS! Give me a break...I was so in shock yesterday, I couldn't even talk about it when people would ask me about it.

When I was watching that game - this is in all seriousness, I'm just not busting on the Patriots - I couldn't remember in recent memory a game where the Jets were playing that Pats that well.

And let me back this up by saying, I HATE THE JETS, always have, always will (has most to do with a close friend I grew up with who would never back down about the Jets even in the Kotite years). I hate Pennington and guys on their D, especially Vilma. I could only respect Curtis Martin.

The Pats had dominated the Jets in recent years, but yesterday the Jets brought it. Their offense was consistent, not flashy, b/c their WRs made some great catches all game. The D was really pushing around the Pats offense in the slop, separating WRs from balls and coming up with a few key turnovers. They were winning against the Pats upfront and causing Brady to have a bad day.

That outcome really surprised me, I thought Brady would win it in the end but the Jets actually held on, which I wasn't expecting.

Whatever Mangini is doing, he's getting a helluva lot more out of this team than Herm Edwards did. The Jets had have an easy schedule, and a game like that Browns game really hurt, especially now that they beat NE. If they win the games they "should win" with the way they played yesterday, they could go 10-6 or maybe even squeeze by with only 1 more loss. Although, @ GB and @ MIN are tough late season road games. I qualify by saying that this is only something that could happen. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Jets hit their December swoon, that I do really enjoy watching, and go like 1-3 in the month and fall out of it.

I thought they'd go 3-13, but as much as I hate them, this may be the first year I've ever respected them.

[dmbmuskie]

They are 6-3...Season is not over yet...There's no way the Jets win the division...

They're 6-3, and I think they'll make the playoffs as the 2nd wild card. Right now I just don't think they're on the same level as Denver, Indy, Baltimore, and SD. The Pats have 2 tough games left, and the Jets have 1 tough game left. It's something that could definitely happen.

[xBigNastyx]

They're 6-3, and I think they'll make the playoffs as the 2nd wild card. Right now I just don't think they're on the same level as Denver, Indy, Baltimore, and SD. The Pats have 2 tough games left, and the Jets have 1 tough game left. It's something that could definitely happen.

Of course anything can happen in the NFL...Does that mean it is likely? NOPE.

The Patriots will win the AFC East...

They will find a way.

I love how people are...They crush the Vikings, and you people say they may be the best in the NFL..Just TWO weeks later, you same people are saying they probly won't even win their division...

How about you guys pick an opinion and fucking stick to it?

Stop being such flip flops..

That is one thing I respect about Trippin is that he backs up his opinions and sticks to them, he doesn't jump on bandwagons the way a lot of people in here do..

[xBigNastyx]

Joe Theissman is an idiot.


That is all.

[UNC41]

Julius Peppers is the best defensive player in the NFL.

That is all.

[seekupig]

Julius Peppers is the best defensive player in the NFL.

That is all.

:thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

My top 5

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Ravens
4. Chargers
5. Seahawks

[Tiduwho]

Of course anything can happen in the NFL...Does that mean it is likely? NOPE.

The Patriots will win the AFC East...

They will find a way.

I love how people are...They crush the Vikings, and you people say they may be the best in the NFL..Just TWO weeks later, you same people are saying they probly won't even win their division...

How about you guys pick an opinion and fucking stick to it?

Stop being such flip flops..

That is one thing I respect about Trippin is that he backs up his opinions and sticks to them, he doesn't jump on bandwagons the way a lot of people in here do..

People take pages from the media. Last week the Giants bandwagon was overflowing, almost everyone picked them to win. Now all of the sudden, they are the most overrated team, they quit, and Coughlin is the worst coach in years. (Because as a lot of the media says, the Bears didn't play any part in it, the Giants lost the game themselves. They only won because of a single fluke field goal return).

Every week it's a new bandwagon. People are a LOT more susceptible to the media than they think. This week, the Chargers bandwagon is growing, and if the Panthers win another 2 games they will once again be proclaimed as the "legit" Super Bowl contenders in the NFC.

[UNC41]

My top 5

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Ravens
4. Chargers
5. Seahawks

You have the Seahawks over the Broncos?

[UNC41]

1. Colts
2. Broncos
3. Bears
4. Chargers
5. Ravens

[xBigNastyx]

My top 5

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Ravens
4. Chargers
5. Seahawks

There is no way in hell that the Seahawks are better than the Broncos or Patriots...


Sure Denver and NE have struggled a times, but they are better than Seattle.

[BotheDMBFan]

You have the Seahawks over the Broncos?

Yeah, forgot about the Broncos....oh well.

[dmbmuskie]

This has to be a first.

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=22463&pcid=41

I'm really surprised they don't put it down in Pittsburgh, since Heinz Field hosts probably 20 to 25 games per season.

[xBigNastyx]

Rex Grossman looks like a dwarf.

[Tiduwho]

Rex Grossman looks like a dwarf.


Steve Smith looks like a dwarf.