NFL Football 2006-2007

[BotheDMBFan]

And so are the damn Bears!

Yeah, ut we didn't change our names from Coughlinstien to Coughlin, did we?

[BotheDMBFan]

See how the refs arent calling anything for the Pats? That shoulda been a penalty on Tillman, but the refs dont call anything. RIDIC.

The refs tried to give this game to the Bears, but no such luck.


Both teams should have been flagged, so they f igured why bother.

[Trippin4136]

Yep, this game just about put the nail in the Giants coffin. How Coughlin still has his job is laughable at best.

[SoRight24]

Hell yeah!

Bears ball.

[BotheDMBFan]

Wow!

[41ravens]

and dillon fumbles. is there a way where both teams can lose? cause i think that's the only reasonable solution to this game.

[BotheDMBFan]

What hte fuck?


GOD DAMN YOU REX GROSSMAN!

[41ravens]

nevermind. rex. is. awesome.

[xBigNastyx]

WHAT THE FUCK? MOTHER FUCKERS, stupid refs cant review a play under 2 min for the Patriots, only against them?


EAt shit witht hat int, god damn I am so pissed. Refs try to take everything from the Pats.

[SoRight24]

And ANOTHER FUCKING INT!

[Trippin4136]

lemme rephrase,

how Rex Grossman still has a job is laughable at best.

How exactly is better than Brian Griese?

[BotheDMBFan]

2-1 on a 3 game road trip isn't that bad.

[BotheDMBFan]

WHAT THE FUCK? MOTHER FUCKERS, stupid refs cant review a play under 2 min for the Patriots, only against them?


EAt shit witht hat int, god damn I am so pissed. Refs try to take everything from the Pats.


Dude, it was a fumble, plain and simple.

[gravedigger2424]

Damn did that just happen......I saw that cutler is now the QB instead of plummer what does everyone think of that?

[xBigNastyx]

The refs really tried to take it from the Pats, but we still came away with it.....

[BotheDMBFan]

Who cares?

[41ravens]

Damn did that just happen......I saw that cutler is now the QB instead of plummer what does everyone think of that?

it was only a matter of time. i think that last loss sealed plummer's fate. i don't know if it's a good idea, seeing as they're still in the playoff picture, but whatever.

[BotheDMBFan]

The refs really tried to take it from the Pats, but we still came away with it.....


The refs were shit on both sides, stop your fucking bitching.

That's all you do, even when your team wins, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.

[Trippin4136]

that deep ball by Grossman may have been the dumbest move I've ever seen by a QB.

The Bears D must feel like stringing him up right now.

[xBigNastyx]

Dude, it was a fumble, plain and simple.

It was close enough to review. The fact that they didnt even consider it is ridiculous. We know it was probly a fumble cause we watched it 6 times from different angles. Watson and Caldwell's catches that were overturned with under 2 min in the first half were close enough to think they were catches before they were reviewed and before we saw the replay 8 times.

[Trippin4136]

The refs really tried to take it from the Pats, but we still came away with it.....

dude it was a fumble. Just b/c it was under 2 mins doesn't mean it HAS to be reviewed.

[xBigNastyx]

The refs were shit on both sides, stop your fucking bitching.

That's all you do, even when your team wins, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.

Shutup you bitter fool. Everyone but you has admitted that the PAts had some shitty calls against them. You can't even point out any certain play that went against the Bears by the refs.

[41ravens]

giants lose. bears lose. good sunday.

[gravedigger2424]

I HATE review period....What about that

[xBigNastyx]

dude it was a fumble. Just b/c it was under 2 mins doesn't mean it HAS to be reviewed.

I understand that, but it was close enough. The fact that the refs didnt even consider it is irritating to me.

[xBigNastyx]

The refs were shit on both sides, stop your fucking bitching.

That's all you do, even when your team wins, bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.

Let's see your next shitty ass top 5.

[BotheDMBFan]

1st Quarter, early in the game, Berrian gets nailed when going for a pass, no PI in sight.

I've also said, this ENTIRE time that the refs were shit on both sides.

[41ravens]

I understand that, but it was close enough. The fact that the refs didnt even consider it is irritating to me.

i'm actually going to agree with him on this. they reviewed two catches by the pats at the end of the first half. two. and they didn't even think twice about the fumble. it was pretty shitty.

[BotheDMBFan]

I also think they should have reviewed it, but really, it would have been a waste of time in my eyes(because we all got to see what happened).

[BotheDMBFan]

Let's see your next shitty ass top 5.


Oh, oh no, you really got me there.

GOD FORBID someone makes fun of my top 5, I don't htink I'll ever live on.

[seekupig]

I understand that, but it was close enough. The fact that the refs didnt even consider it is irritating to me.

the ref in the booth had the Bears Defense on his fantasy team.

[BotheDMBFan]

Also, no one really won that game, the Pats just lost it less ;) (Respect to Tom Brady, who played very good today, and much respect to both defenses)

[VanHorneDog]

so, how about the raiders???

and the titans???

clearly not as bad as they once where.

[VanHorneDog]

Damn did that just happen......I saw that cutler is now the QB instead of plummer what does everyone think of that?

the already iffy denver offense just got worse IMO. But, hopefully this means they run the ball more, that will help them win.

but, i can see them not making the playoffs and the chiefs slipping in. LJ is having a fucking year.

[xBigNastyx]

Also, no one really won that game, the Pats just lost it less ;) (Respect to Tom Brady, who played very good today, and much respect to both defenses)


Way to sound bitter and try to take away from a team that beat your team.

[BotheDMBFan]

Hmmm, you mean after I show respect to both teams?

Also, so many fucking turnovers on both sides, it really was which team tried to give the game away less.

[UNC41]

The refs really tried to take it from the Pats, but we still came away with it.....

This simply isn't true. Yes, that was a bad call on the PI, but was at least one instance, and two or three if I remember correct, where Chicago should have gotten PI calls in the first half and didn't. The officiating wasn't good, but it wasn't largely lopsided toward the Bears.

[dmbmuskie]

The Pats beat the best team from the cleary inferior conference.

I'd say the Pats are the 5th best team in the NFL, but the problem for them is that they are the 5th best team in the AFC. That should piss both sides off, but it's true.

The Steelers are a complete and total embarassment.

[xBigNastyx]

The Pats beat the best team from the cleary inferior conference.

I'd say the Pats are the 5th best team in the NFL, but the problem for them is that they are the 5th best team in the AFC. That should piss both sides off, but it's true.

The Steelers are a complete and total embarassment.


5th best? YEAH. RIGHT.

Please don't say the Chargers are better, or the Broncos. Cause they aren't The San Diego LTs are over rated.

[seekupig]

5th best? YEAH. RIGHT.

Please don't say the Chargers are better, or the Broncos. Cause they aren't The San Diego LTs are over rated.

the Chargers are better than the Patriots. the Broncos are not.

[dmbmuskie]

5th best? YEAH. RIGHT.

Please don't say the Chargers are better, or the Broncos. Cause they aren't The San Diego LTs are over rated.

The Broncos easily handled the Pats.

The Chargers beat the Broncos.

I think it is pretty simple logic.

[seekupig]

The Broncos easily handled the Pats.

The Chargers beat the Broncos.

I think it is pretty simple logic.

using that logic, the St. Louis Rams are better than the Patriots as well. i think we'd all agree that that isn't the case.

[xBigNastyx]

The Broncos easily handled the Pats.

The Chargers beat the Broncos.

I think it is pretty simple logic.


By that logic, Dallas is better than Indy then, since they beat them.


And by that logic, the Jets are better than the Pats cause they beat them

In other words, your 'logic' sucks.

[xBigNastyx]

using that logic, the St. Louis Rams are better than the Patriots as well. i think we'd all agree that that isn't the case.


Exactly.


For acting like he knows more than anyone and knows everything, he has some skewed opinions that don't make sense. The Chargers are INSANELY over rated.

[xBigNastyx]

the Chargers are better than the Patriots. the Broncos are not.

You mean, the "LT's" right? lol

[Trippin4136]

San Diego is 5th in overall offense and 9th in overall defense, how exactly are they overrated? Yes, that game v. Oakland was much closer than it "should" have been, but I don't see how it makes them overrated.

If their overall rankings were, say, 15th and lower and they were 8-3 or 9-2, I would agree, but with top 10 quality on both sides of the ball, I don't see how that justification holds true.

[gravedigger2424]

Any given Sunday a team in the NFL can come out and beat you

[twosteppinpun]

5th best? YEAH. RIGHT.

Please don't say the Chargers are better, or the Broncos. Cause they aren't The San Diego LTs are over rated.

How exactly is 1600 yards from scrimmage and 25 TD's so far over rated?

[xBigNastyx]

Living in ATL, I just wanna point out that D.Hall, Vick, and everything about the Falcons organization is just so unclassy.

Why does everyone think Hall is such a good corner by the way? HE continually gets burned week in, week out. All he is, is fast.

Good corners don't always go for the INT, which is what he does. It's more important to make sure the reciever doesnt catch it first.

[xBigNastyx]

How exactly is 1600 yards from scrimmage and 25 TD's so far over rated?

I said the Chargers are over rated, not LT. I made a joke and called the Chargers the LTs cause he is their whole team.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

[Trippin4136]

Hall's attempt on that hail mary was pathetic.

Just like the showboating, fast talking chump that he is, he went for the INT instead of just knocking the ball down. Idiot.

[xBigNastyx]

Hall's attempt on that hail mary was pathetic.

Just like the showboating, fast talking chump that he is, he went for the INT instead of just knocking the ball down. Idiot.

Exactly. Glad to see we agree on something lol.

There was no time on the clock and he's going for the int, wtf?

What an idiot. And on the first Saints drive of the game, he horse collar tackled Henderson even after he was already in the endzone which was another example of him taking 15 yd penalties for NO reason that hurt his team and gives the other team good field position. Since I live in ATL, I am forced to watch most of their games since they are what's on here, and EVERY game he does this shit. Very VERY over rated player with a bad attitude. I would never want him on my team.

[Trippin4136]

Yea, I saw the play as it happened (got the NFL sunday ticket so I thankfully don't get stuck watching the Jets) and my reaction was just like "WTF are you doing!!"

He deserves to get his ass rammed for that one by his D-coord

[dmbmuskie]

The Broncos hammered the Patriots in Foxboro, they didn't just beat them. If the Pats were so good that is a game they should have won, and they were barely competitive.

They finally win a game against a supposed contender yesterday, and I knew people would all have hard ons about how they were back, you cannot bet against Bill and Tom in the 2nd half of the season, etc, which is total bullshit. They're a playoff team, but that's it.

People want to pretend this the same team that won 3 titles, but almost all of the stars from those teams are gone or have slipped because of age and they've had huge staff turnover.

The Ravens are the best team in the NFL right now. I've never seen any defensive performance more impressive that what I saw yesterday, and the offense is built for the playoffs.

I really think after Baltimore there is a bunch of mediocrity.

[Trippin4136]

Baltimore being good just makes me ill.

[dmbmuskie]

Baltimore being good just makes me ill.

Yeah, it's tough to swallow. The only thing that makes it acceptable is that Ray Lewis is the 3rd best linebacker on the team right now.

[Trippin4136]

Ray Lewis should be the starting LB on the San Quentin football team.

[twosteppinpun]

I said the Chargers are over rated, not LT. I made a joke and called the Chargers the LTs cause he is their whole team.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

Calm down man, I misread your post...

[thebigv]

Baltimore being good just makes me ill.

I second that motion. Stupid Art Modell.

[xBigNastyx]

The fact that the Chargers got the ball back after JAckson flipped the ball after that catch is BULLSHIT. I know it's the rule, but it is an awful rule, and needs to be changed. I know they won the game, but in my head, the Raiders won that game and they got screwed.

[xBigNastyx]

Will Addai's monster performance yesterday against Philly allow him to get more carries the rest of the way? He has been consistently getting between 10-15 carries a game. Will that number increase?

[Trippin4136]

definitely, I think yesterday solidified it in Dungy's head that he's their #1 back.

[xBigNastyx]

The Broncos hammered the Patriots in Foxboro, they didn't just beat them. If the Pats were so good that is a game they should have won, and they were barely competitive.

They finally win a game against a supposed contender yesterday, and I knew people would all have hard ons about how they were back, you cannot bet against Bill and Tom in the 2nd half of the season, etc, which is total bullshit. They're a playoff team, but that's it.

People want to pretend this the same team that won 3 titles, but almost all of the stars from those teams are gone or have slipped because of age and they've had huge staff turnover.

The Ravens are the best team in the NFL right now. I've never seen any defensive performance more impressive that what I saw yesterday, and the offense is built for the playoffs.

I really think after Baltimore there is a bunch of mediocrity.

I don't hear anyone saying this team is just like the 3 that won the SB recently. I actually hear a lot of people like yourself count them out. Weeks ago you claim Chicago is the best team, then the Pats beat them (even though the refs tried to take it away) and you still can't ever give any credit to New England. It's sad.

The Broncos are better than the Pats cause they beat them, the Chargers are better than both teams cause they beat the Broncos up?

By that token, the Falcons and Panthers are better than the Ravens, cause the Falcons beat the Panthers and the Panthers beat the Ravens.

That though alone is hilarious.

The Chargers and Broncos are not better than the Patriots.

By the way, the Raiders got ripped off by a dumb rule, they shoulda won that game against the over rated Chargers.

[dmbmuskie]

I never claimed Chicago was the best team, ever if my memory servers me correctly. They're maybe the best team in a horrible conference, depending on what Dallas does the rest of the year.

How is saying they are the 5th best team in the NFL not giving them any credit? I think the league is absolutely horrible, but the Pats are still better than most of the team around. They're just not a Super Bowl team, but they were my pick to win it before the season started.

When good teams play head to head the better team should win. When a good team loses to a bad team it is usually because of a lack of focus, which explains all the weird upsets we see. The Titans are not better than the Giants, but for 10 minutes of the 4th quarter they murdered them. Luckily, the best team in the NFL isn't decided by the ESPN power poll, so it's really just stupid arguments at this point.

[thebigv]

The Broncos are better than the Pats cause they beat them, the Chargers are better than both teams cause they beat the Broncos up?

By that token, the Falcons and Panthers are better than the Ravens, cause the Falcons beat the Panthers and the Panthers beat the Ravens.

That though alone is hilarious.



Ahh yes, the ole transitive property applied to football. Take it a step farther...Cleveland>Falcons>Ravens.

nice.

[VanHorneDog]

sundays picks

Arizona at Minnesota (Minnesota 23-10) Minnesota 31-26
Carolina at Washington (Carolina 24-12) Washington 17-13
Cincinnati at Cleveland (Cincinnati 35-17) Cincinnati 30-0
Houston at N.Y. Jets (N.Y. Jets 19-7) NY Jets 26-11
Jacksonville at Buffalo (Buffalo 14-13) Buffalo 27-24
New Orleans at Atlanta (New Orleans 31-28) New Orleans 31-13
Pittsburgh at Baltimore (Baltimore 17-7) Baltimore 27-0
San Francisco at St. Louis (San Fransisco 27-20) St. Louis 20-17
Oakland at San Diego (San Diego 1,000,000-0) Chargers 21-14 :eek
Chicago at New England (New England 24-13) New England 17-13
N.Y. Giants at Tennessee (N.Y. Giants 28-14) Tennessee 24-21
Philadelphia at Indianapolos (Indianapolos 35-10) Indianapolos 45-21

this is an interesting week indeed, lots of home teams will lose, again. :cool

12-3 so far this week

tonight Green Bay vs Seattle (Seattle 21-17)

[VanHorneDog]

I said the Chargers are over rated, not LT. I made a joke and called the Chargers the LTs cause he is their whole team.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

wow, you have no idea who plays for the chargers do you? :lol

the chargers are not overated and are easily top 3 best teams in the league... i dont see how you can argue against them 9-2 means you are good, especially in the AFC.

they have a great rushing and passing attack, they score more points than anyone, and they have a LOT of tallent on defense (although a lot of it is indeed injured or suspended, but thats besides the point)

all around the chargers have the most complete team in football, they had a let down yesterday becuase they sat all their injured players becuase they thought they could skate over the raiders, well the raiders are not as terrible as they where in the begining of the season and they almost won.

its funny how you can think the chargers are overrated. yes, im a charger fan. but honestly. they have a better all around team than the colts, broncos and bears.

[laststraw41]

Hey all.. got a question that I didn't feel like making a new thread for.

Depending which team finishes last at the end of the season (Oakland, Detroit, Arizona all 2-9 now), who do you think will/should go 1st overall? Of course it's early, but me and a friend were debating Brady Quinn vs Troy Smith so I figured I'd ask the Ants.

[dmbhoosier21]

12-3 so far this week

tonight Green Bay vs Seattle (Seattle 21-17)

:lol Nice call on the Indy game, you got the scores exactly; good call :thumbsup

[xBigNastyx]

wow, you have no idea who plays for the chargers do you? :lol

the chargers are not overated and are easily top 3 best teams in the league... i dont see how you can argue against them 9-2 means you are good, especially in the AFC.

they have a great rushing and passing attack, they score more points than anyone, and they have a LOT of tallent on defense (although a lot of it is indeed injured or suspended, but thats besides the point)

all around the chargers have the most complete team in football, they had a let down yesterday becuase they sat all their injured players becuase they thought they could skate over the raiders, well the raiders are not as terrible as they where in the begining of the season and they almost won.

its funny how you can think the chargers are overrated. yes, im a charger fan. but honestly. they have a better all around team than the colts, broncos and bears.


I didn't say they weren't good, I said they are over rated. You can be a good team and still be over rated. Your passing attack is OK, not great. Your offense is all about LT, no one else. Rivers is good, but be realistic, it's all about LT.

Ah forget it, can't argue with a Chargers fan and expect them not to be bias when I say the chargers are over rated.

[Tiduwho]

Oh wow, this is awesome. The field is going to be white soon and the Packers already got an INT.


Guys are already slipping and sliding. I love Snowball games! I want to actually play right now in that.

[clayj41]

Go Pack Go!!!:multi

[gravedigger2424]

I love snow

[xBigNastyx]

This game is gonna be fun to watch...The only thing that could make it better is if these idiots in the booth werent the announcers!

[xBigNastyx]

I HATE this MNF crew. They don't even talk about the damn game, and Jimmy Kimmell is a guest? WTF?

[seekupig]

Donald Driver just put me in the playoffs in my fantasy football league. :bounce

[BotheDMBFan]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Ravens
3. Patriots
4. Bears
5. Chargers

[clayj41]

Donald Driver just put me in the playoffs in my fantasy football league. :bounce

The Seahawks horrible D is helping me to make mine!

[laststraw41]

HAHAH my friend was so excited that he remembered to put Hasselback back in for his fantasy team, he's shitting himself right now, this is awesome!

[clayj41]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Ravens
3. Patriots
4. Bears
5. Chargers

1. Colts
2. Ravens
3. Chargers
4. Patriots
5. Bears

[41ravens]

cowboys cut vanderjagt. finally.

[41ravens]

1. colts
2. ravens
3. chargers
4. pats
5. cowboys

call bullshit all you want. i honestly think the cowboys look better than the bears right now. forget records. if they were to play tomorrow, i think the cowboys would win the game. anyone agree/disagree?

[xBigNastyx]

Wow, I'm really glad that Tony K had to show us a special thing on who his fav bald people are.


God I hate this crew.

[xBigNastyx]

1. colts
2. ravens
3. chargers
4. pats
5. cowboys

call bullshit all you want. i honestly think the cowboys look better than the bears right now. forget records. if they were to play tomorrow, i think the cowboys would win the game. anyone agree/disagree?

actually come to think of it, i might agree with that. But the Patriots are better than the LTs

[clayj41]

These late Favre INTs may fuck me in fantasy!:BANG

[41ravens]

favre looks like grossman out there.


;)

[Tiduwho]

1. colts
2. ravens
3. chargers
4. pats
5. cowboys

call bullshit all you want. i honestly think the cowboys look better than the bears right now. forget records. if they were to play tomorrow, i think the cowboys would win the game. anyone agree/disagree?

Of course I'm biased, but I disagree. Romo will NOT look the way he has if he plays the Bears defense. I want to first meet the Panthers, and then meet the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. That is my optimal for the NFC playoffs. If the Bears beat both of them (not so much on the Panthers because they are all that good, but because of the revenge factor) and win I will be happy. I sure don't want to play the Saints or some other weak team because all that anyone will say is " bears still prove nothing blah blah blah".

[seekupig]

I sure don't want to play the Saints or some other weak team because all that anyone will say is " bears still prove nothing blah blah blah".

playing in the NFC, you really won't prove anything to anybody in the playoffs. the Bears will have to win it all to shut people up. they play in the JV league of the NFL. it's not their fault the NFC is garbage, but it is what it is.....

[Tiduwho]

playing in the NFC, you really won't prove anything to anybody in the playoffs. the Bears will have to win it all to shut people up. they play in the JV league of the NFL. it's not their fault the NFC is garbage, but it is what it is.....

Yeah, that's precisely what I said a week or two ago.

[UNC41]

playing in the NFC, you really won't prove anything to anybody in the playoffs. the Bears will have to win it all to shut people up. they play in the JV league of the NFL. it's not their fault the NFC is garbage, but it is what it is.....

Like how the Cards won the World Series after playing Quadruple A baseball all year.

[xBigNastyx]

Of course I'm biased, but I disagree. Romo will NOT look the way he has if he plays the Bears defense. I want to first meet the Panthers, and then meet the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game. That is my optimal for the NFC playoffs. If the Bears beat both of them (not so much on the Panthers because they are all that good, but because of the revenge factor) and win I will be happy. I sure don't want to play the Saints or some other weak team because all that anyone will say is " bears still prove nothing blah blah blah".

Could you sound any more bitter? I don't think so.

[BotheDMBFan]

To be fair, you've sounded the same way after some Pats losses.

However, in the playoffs, it doesn't matter who you play, it's how well you play against them.(Or in the Steelers case, how much you pay the refs before the game ;) )

[VanHorneDog]

I didn't say they weren't good, I said they are over rated. You can be a good team and still be over rated. Your passing attack is OK, not great. Your offense is all about LT, no one else. Rivers is good, but be realistic, it's all about LT.

Ah forget it, can't argue with a Chargers fan and expect them not to be bias when I say the chargers are over rated.

not true, before the road trip where we went to cincy and denver i thought they might be overrated based on the schedual.

um, our passing attack is good, rivers is a top 5 quarterback in the league. we have a good core of recievers and the best TE in football, our offense is VERY ballanced. and its is all about LT, it would be about LT on any team. he is that good. however, i think Rivers has proven he can be a great NFL quarterback.

match up any team you think is better with the chargers and i think the chargers win. especailly when they get their deffense healthy. :rolleyes

[VanHorneDog]

1.Ravens
2.Chargers
3.Colts
4.Patriots
5.Cowboys

[xBigNastyx]

To be fair, you've sounded the same way after some Pats losses.

However, in the playoffs, it doesn't matter who you play, it's how well you play against them.(Or in the Steelers case, how much you pay the refs before the game ;) )


Not once have I came in here saying "I dont want to play a weak team cause then everyone will say we havent played anyone"

Nice try though.

[Bartender84]

Well it took until the second half of this game, but the team finally started to look like the team that went to the SB last year. Great defense in the second half, huge game from Alexander, Hasselbeck bounced back from a bad start. Just need to keep it up through the rest of the season.

I was at the game, definitely one of the best games I've been to.

[Bartender84]

HAHAH my friend was so excited that he remembered to put Hasselback back in for his fantasy team, he's shitting himself right now, this is awesome!
Why would anyone be stupid enough to start a QB in his first game back from an MCL injury? I knew he would get off to a bad start.

[Tiduwho]

Yeah, that's precisely what I said a week or two ago.

But I was accused of being "bitter". :lol

[Tiduwho]

Not once have I came in here saying "I dont want to play a weak team cause then everyone will say we havent played anyone"



Do you, honestly, believe that this will not happen? That if the Bears somehow make it to the Superbowl and don't play the Cowboys or Panthers or maybe the Seahawks?



I'll just sit idly by and let ESPN promote the Romo lovefest, and how they are best in the NFC. I don't really care, like I keep saying I'm waiting for the playoffs, and hope to succeed there. I don't see how pointing out the media making excuses for why the Bears aren't actually that good makes me "bitter". It's the media, come on now. :lol It's the regular season, so why not talk about what's going on?

[dmbmuskie]

1. Ravens
2. Colts
3. Chargers

I really don't think anyone else deserves to be raked except...

32. Steelers

[Trippin4136]

ESPN's love affair with the Cowboys and Romo is just disgusting. They are such whores for the Cowboys and hopefully the Cowboys fall on their face, starting this sunday against the seemingly hapless Giants

[41ravens]

ESPN's love affair with the Cowboys and Romo is just disgusting. They are such whores for the Cowboys and hopefully the Cowboys fall on their face, starting this sunday against the seemingly hapless Giants

uh oh...someone sounds like an angry giants fan. they're only hyping it up because he's been on the bench for 4 years and all of the sudden he comes in and he's the highest rated quarterback in the league. it'd be the same thing if it happened to any other team. it's the most exciting thing going on in the nfl right now, so that's what they talk about. as soon as he has an off day, it'll be "back to the drawing board for the cowboys" and then they'll go back to sucking peyton's balls.

[xBigNastyx]

uh oh...someone sounds like an angry giants fan. they're only hyping it up because he's been on the bench for 4 years and all of the sudden he comes in and he's the highest rated quarterback in the league. it'd be the same thing if it happened to any other team. it's the most exciting thing going on in the nfl right now, so that's what they talk about. as soon as he has an off day, it'll be "back to the drawing board for the cowboys" and then they'll go back to sucking peyton's balls.

I'm more interested in what LT is doing than the Cowboys. And I bet a lot of people agree with me.

He doesn't sound like an angry Giants fan to me, just someone who speaks the truth. The media is sucking off Romo. I can't WAIT until he has a bad game and comes back down to reality.

By the way, I hate how people are calling him the highest rated passer. It's like calling a QB who played one game and threw 20 passes for an average of 6 yds and completed 80 percent of them, the QB with the best pass completion percentage. It's ridiculous. If Romo had played the whole season, there is no way he is the passer rating leader.

Do you REALLY think he'd have the highest rating if he played the full 11 games? NOPE. He'll come down to reality probably this week against the Giants. He is a good solid QB, but not as good as the media is making him seem.

[xBigNastyx]

By the way, the way Romo thinks he is HOT SHIT and the biggest badass out there after 5 games is ridiculous. I can't wait to see him fall.

On another note to bash Romo, he isn't tough at all. Those td passes to Barber last week, he was ducking out of the way as he threw them and just looked scared to take a hit IMO. Just isn't a tough player.

[dmbmuskie]

Romo wins games, which is something Bledsoe was not doing. That's all that matters and bashing him is ridiculous. What he is doing reminds me of what Ben did his rookie year.

Why the hatered? I never hear anyone bashing Phillip Rivers for doing a good job his first year as the starter.

Freddy Sanchez didn't start for the Pirates for almost a 1/4 of the season, so is he not really the batting champion?

[Trippin4136]

uh oh...someone sounds like an angry giants fan. they're only hyping it up because he's been on the bench for 4 years and all of the sudden he comes in and he's the highest rated quarterback in the league. it'd be the same thing if it happened to any other team. it's the most exciting thing going on in the nfl right now, so that's what they talk about. as soon as he has an off day, it'll be "back to the drawing board for the cowboys" and then they'll go back to sucking peyton's balls.

If I'm angry at anything it's Coughlin's miserable coaching job and Eli's regression.

ESPN's slurping of the Cowboys is nothing new. I just don't understand how they are already pegging Romo as the next BIG thing.

[Trippin4136]

The Cowboys need to lose for no other reason than to wipe that stupid shit eating grin of Michael Irvin's face.

You're not on the team anymore pal. As a "professional" sports analyst you should be to able to contain your bias. His fanboy garbage is a huge reason of why I don't watch any ESPN pregame telecasts (in addition to Tom Jackson's idiocy, Berman's blithering and Steve Young's studdering).

[41ravens]

By the way, the way Romo thinks he is HOT SHIT and the biggest badass out there after 5 games is ridiculous. I can't wait to see him fall.

On another note to bash Romo, he isn't tough at all. Those td passes to Barber last week, he was ducking out of the way as he threw them and just looked scared to take a hit IMO. Just isn't a tough player.

man...there was some team who had a second string quarterback replace their starter who then went on to win 3 super bowls and now he's considered one of the top quarterbacks in the league...i just can't think of what team that was. any ideas on that one, big nasty?

[41ravens]

By the way, the way Romo thinks he is HOT SHIT and the biggest badass out there after 5 games is ridiculous. I can't wait to see him fall.

On another note to bash Romo, he isn't tough at all. Those td passes to Barber last week, he was ducking out of the way as he threw them and just looked scared to take a hit IMO. Just isn't a tough player.

yeah, what a pussy. i can't believe he didn't just take the sack instead of throwing a touchdown. what a bitch.

read what you wrote and then see if you want to re-word it.

[xBigNastyx]

man...there was some team who had a second string quarterback replace their starter who then went on to win 3 super bowls and now he's considered one of the top quarterbacks in the league...i just can't think of what team that was. any ideas on that one, big nasty?


Tony Romo isn't Tom Brady, don't compare the two.

[xBigNastyx]

yeah, what a pussy. i can't believe he didn't just take the sack instead of throwing a touchdown. what a bitch.

read what you wrote and then see if you want to re-word it.

I didn't say he should take the sack. Don't make up stuff.

Last night, when being pass rushed, Brett Favre throws the ball and doesn't change anytihng, that's why he is tough. He doens't change his motion or attitude when getting rushed. Romo looked scared out there, he like turned his head and threw the ball. He just looked scared as shit.

[xBigNastyx]

yeah, what a pussy. i can't believe he didn't just take the sack instead of throwing a touchdown. what a bitch.

read what you wrote and then see if you want to re-word it.


People need to quit making up stuff around here, especially you.

[xBigNastyx]

Romo wins games, which is something Bledsoe was not doing. That's all that matters and bashing him is ridiculous. What he is doing reminds me of what Ben did his rookie year.

Why the hatered? I never hear anyone bashing Phillip Rivers for doing a good job his first year as the starter.

Freddy Sanchez didn't start for the Pirates for almost a 1/4 of the season, so is he not really the batting champion?

Rivers is a better QB than Romo and he doesnt get sucked off AS MUCH as Romo.

Romo just looks like a fool and thinks he's hot shit. He's NOT hot shit, that's why it is irritating that he thinks he is. It's ok to have a quiet swagger and confidence, but not the way Romo does.

[xBigNastyx]

By the way, Grossman was off to a HOT start and everyone was saying (except me) how awesome he was and tabbing him as a possible MVP. He is back down to earth now. Won't be long until Romo joins him.

[Tiduwho]

uh oh...someone sounds like an angry giants fan. they're only hyping it up because he's been on the bench for 4 years and all of the sudden he comes in and he's the highest rated quarterback in the league. it'd be the same thing if it happened to any other team. it's the most exciting thing going on in the nfl right now, so that's what they talk about. as soon as he has an off day, it'll be "back to the drawing board for the cowboys" and then they'll go back to sucking peyton's balls.


The exact same thing happened with Rex his first 5 games. ESPN slurping him for being the highest rated QB etc after 4 years.

[Tiduwho]

Lmao, now everyone is hyping up the Seahawks again because they beat the top notch Packers. Uh oh, the Cowboys have competition now for the 2nd seed!

[twosteppinpun]

Where can I find the pass and run defense stats?

[Tiduwho]

Where can I find the pass and run defense stats?

Come on now, doesn't get much more easy than http://www.nfl.com/stats

[twosteppinpun]

I looked but didn't see the little button to switch to defense.
Thanks.

[Tiduwho]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2006/regular?sort_col_1=8

Pass:

1. Oakland
2. Chicago
3. Indy
4. Philly
5. Jax

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RUSHING/2006/regular
Run:

1. Minny
2. Balti
3. NE
4. Dallas
5. Jax

[twosteppinpun]

I got what I needed.
Thanks

[Tiduwho]

I got what I needed.
Thanks

No prob.

[dmbmuskie]

Big Nasty, have you ever been wrong on anything concerning football ever?

[41ravens]

Tony Romo isn't Tom Brady, don't compare the two.

just when i thought we were getting better...

i picked this one to quote, cause it's the funniest, but they all made me laugh. you're so hypocritical. i don't see how you can't see it. everything the patriots do good makes them the best team in football to you, and when they're down, it's cause "the refs are against them." whenever someone says something good about their team, you're so quick to jump in with your opinion and try and prove them wrong. i never said tony romo was tom brady. when tom brady came in, people probably said, "yeah, but he's no <insert quarterback>". but look what he's done. romo's only played 5 games. in those 5 games, he's looked amazing. so you come up with some argument about how he looks scared. where do you come up with this stuff? fact of the matter is, dallas is 7-4 and looking good for second seed in the nfl. but i've been the first to say that their remaining schedule isn't exactly easy. but it doesn't matter. not to you. hell, if anyone wins the super bowl besides the pats, you'll come up with some crazy-ass reason they won and then say that the pats didn't win cause of the refs. the best part is, is that you're going to get very defensive about this post and say stuff like, "don't pretend you know me, man." your arguments are getting weak, bud. i'm gonna need some new material from you before i can take anything you say seriously.

[dmbmuskie]

Personally my favorite Big Nasty quote is this

"I am the only one who (fill in the blank)."



Does anyone remember when talking football was fun around here? :shrug

[clayj41]

Personally my favorite Big Nasty quote is this

"I am the only one who (fill in the blank)."



Does anyone remember when talking football was fun around here? :shrug

You mean before Big Nasty showed up?:lol I really don't have a problem with the guy though except for the fact that he's a homer and only preaches about the greatness of the Pats. In fact, the comment earlier on this page about Favre being tough may be the first compliment I've seen him pay to anyone but Tom Brady.

[xBigNastyx]

You guys are so far off base it's incredible. Not ONCE have I said the Patriots are the number one team in football. Not ONCE have I said Brady is the best QB in football.

I came out and said Grossman was being over rated through 5 games, and you guys said I was insane, and look where he is now? I'm not asking for a medal, it's just what I'm saying isn't so far off base as you think it is. Romo is a solid QB, but it's just irritating to me that the media sucks him off so much after FIVE GAMES. It's not as big a deal to me as it is to some that he is the highest rated QB. I mean yeah he's playing great, but it's been 5 games. I wanna see him do it longer, than I'll give him the credit he deserves. That should sound fair.

I rarely even talk about the Patriots around here as much as you claim, and I'm not always boasting about them. During the game the other day, yeah I did, and the refs WERE calling a bad game, lots of you even agreed with it.

So stop getting so personal man. I don't insult you personally, why do you have to do that to get your point across?

[xBigNastyx]

Personally my favorite Big Nasty quote is this

"I am the only one who (fill in the blank)."



Does anyone remember when talking football was fun around here? :shrug


Just curious, but when did I say that?

[xBigNastyx]

Big Nasty, have you ever been wrong on anything concerning football ever?

Have I ever said I'm always right? Get back to me when you find something to back up your statement with.

I defend my opinions, that makes me think I'm always right? The lack of logic in this thread is amazing.

Just like the logic that makes the Chargers better than the Patriots because of the sole reason that they beat the Broncos. :lol

[41ravens]

You guys are so far off base it's incredible. Not ONCE have I said the Patriots are the number one team in football. Not ONCE have I said Brady is the best QB in football.

I came out and said Grossman was being over rated through 5 games, and you guys said I was insane, and look where he is now? I'm not asking for a medal, it's just what I'm saying isn't so far off base as you think it is. Romo is a solid QB, but it's just irritating to me that the media sucks him off so much after FIVE GAMES. It's not as big a deal to me as it is to some that he is the highest rated QB. I mean yeah he's playing great, but it's been 5 games. I wanna see him do it longer, than I'll give him the credit he deserves. That should sound fair.

I rarely even talk about the Patriots around here as much as you claim, and I'm not always boasting about them. During the game the other day, yeah I did, and the refs WERE calling a bad game, lots of you even agreed with it.

So stop getting so personal man. I don't insult you personally, why do you have to do that to get your point across?

that's all you gotta say, brother. but instead you spouted off about how you can't wait till he falls on his face and about how he wasn't tough cause he apparently tried to avoid getting hit. and i'm not getting personal. i just called you hypocritical. and you are. when someone defends their team, you get on them and tell them reasons why you think they're team isn't that great. but then you do the same thing when someone attacks the pats. it's not a big deal. you should defend your team. but don't ride someone's ass when they do the same thing.

[xBigNastyx]

that's all you gotta say, brother. but instead you spouted off about how you can't wait till he falls on his face and about how he wasn't tough cause he apparently tried to avoid getting hit. and i'm not getting personal. i just called you hypocritical. and you are. when someone defends their team, you get on them and tell them reasons why you think they're team isn't that great. but then you do the same thing when someone attacks the pats. it's not a big deal. you should defend your team. but don't ride someone's ass when they do the same thing.

It's all in good fun man. I respect those who defend their teams. I was just defending my points that you tried to refute. Nothing wrong with that. I do the same with the Pats, if someone says something about them I disagree with, I will defend them until it's over. That's not hypocritical at all. You can have your opinion about me though, that's fine and dandy.

[dmbmuskie]

Just curious, but when did I say that?

By the way, Grossman was off to a HOT start and everyone was saying (except me) how awesome he was and tabbing him as a possible MVP. He is back down to earth now. Won't be long until Romo joins him.

I guess I paraphrased. That was the first one I found. There are many more.

As for my the Chargers are better than the Pats because they beat the Broncos, there is sound reasoning in it. You can always find annomolies in it at all levels of football especially in the NFL , and if that is what you want to bash me for go for it.

Look at things this way. The Chargers have the 2nd best record in all of football, playing in the best division in the best conference. Their 2 losses have come on the road to teams that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.

The Patriots have 3 home losses, where they were supposedly invincible, playing in the worst division in the conference. The only wins they have that jump out at you are against an underachieving Bengals and a vastly over rated Bears team. They were completely smacked around by the Broncos.

[xBigNastyx]

I guess I paraphrased. That was the first one I found. There are many more.

As for my the Chargers are better than the Pats because they beat the Broncos, there is sound reasoning in it. You can always find annomolies in it at all levels of football especially in the NFL , and if that is what you want to bash me for go for it.

Look at things this way. The Chargers have the 2nd best record in all of football, playing in the best division in the best conference. Their 2 losses have come on the road to teams that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.

The Patriots have 3 home losses, where they were supposedly invincible, playing in the worst division in the conference. The only wins they have that jump out at you are against an underachieving Bengals and a vastly over rated Bears team. They were completely smacked around by the Broncos.


First off, wrong. You just said that to save face because you made a false accusation toward me.

Second, fine, thats your OPINION that the Chargers are better than the Patriots. To me, the reasons you stated make sense to me and I will respect that opinion. But your reasoning before when you just said they are better because they beat the Broncos who beat the Patriots just simply doesnt cut it ,and I think you'd agree with that which is why you rephrased what you meant.

[UNC41]

I also have never been a believer in Grossman, UNGBN, so you are not the only one.

[VanHorneDog]

so, in the last 2 weeks i have gone 12-4 and 13-3... i should actually bet... although i have no idea if all those covered or not...

[seekupig]

NFL power rankings for this week.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking)


1. Colts (3)
2. Chargers (4)
3. Ravens
4. Patriots
5. Bears
6. Cowboys
7. Chiefs
8. Seahawks
9. Broncos
10. Saints

[thebigv]

Not bad, ESPN. I can't argue too awful much with the power rankings. Maybe put swap the 'Hawks with the Saints, but they're not too far off.

[Tiduwho]

Man, the Chiefs sure have made a comeback this season.

[seekupig]

Man, the Chiefs sure have made a comeback this season.

:thumbsup :)

[Dancing Ants]

the Giants are a giant mess. now strahan is calling out burress.

i've never seen a team that picks on one another as much as that team.

[Trippin4136]

surprise, surprise, more infighting from the Giants.

Like clockwork it happens every year. I believe the general grumblings and dislike for Coughlin in the locker room is what has blown it up the past few years.

Either way, Burress deserves to be called out. He plays like pussy slacker, his attitude is a cancer to the team and its no surprise me that Strahan would call him out.

[Bartender84]

Lmao, now everyone is hyping up the Seahawks again because they beat the top notch Packers. Uh oh, the Cowboys have competition now for the 2nd seed!
How about the assraping the Giants took in week 3? How'd the Cowboys do against those Giants? It's kind of hard to be good when your top two players and half the offensive line are missing for half the season, the Hawks are much better with them in the lineup and it showed on Monday night. They'd be at least 8-3 easily without all the injuries.

And it's not like the Packers are a horrible team. They were 4-6 before that loss. How about the Bears losing to the Dolphins, explain that one. And Romo is not invincible, he's going to screw up sometime. Hasselbeck already has the playoff experience that neither Romo or Grossman really have. I'd say we're the third best team in the NFC at this moment, and if we get off on a hot streak, watch out.

[dmbmuskie]

I'd say we're the third best team in the NFC at this moment, and if we get off on a hot streak, watch out.

That's really not saying much. I'd love to see you guys stick it to the Bears and Cowboys in the playoffs.

[crashintonickdm]

ihope the cowboys beat the giants this week.

[dmbmuskie]

Nick Mangold's sister. WOW.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=2672149

[VanHorneDog]

she is huge.... sorry, but damn. cool though.

[VanHorneDog]

ihope the cowboys beat the giants this week.

you dont need to hope, it will probably happen. Romo is going to light up the Giants deffense and the Eli will get lit up most likely, unless the giants come to play big time.

i just am wonding how many passes Eli will complete, maybe more to the guys in the Stars. :lol

[VanHorneDog]

NFL power rankings for this week.......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking)


1. Colts (3)
2. Chargers (4)
3. Ravens
4. Patriots
5. Bears
6. Cowboys
7. Chiefs
8. Seahawks
9. Broncos
10. Saints

ill agree with this

[Tiduwho]

Ravens should be #2 ahead of the Chargers. A completely dominant shutout of the Steelers, or a half-assed fumble controversy struggle against the Raiiiiiiiders?

[DMBfan41]

ihope the cowboys beat the giants this week.

and you're in jersey? jeeze.

[VanHorneDog]

Ravens should be #2 ahead of the Chargers. A completely dominant shutout of the Steelers, or a half-assed fumble controversy struggle against the Raiiiiiiiders?

yeah, the chargers had a let down. but, they still found a way to win (however disputable, even though i think they would have at least tied it before the end of the game)

also, i might agree, the ravens D-fense is awsome and with McNair they can score. however tonight


Baltimore vs Cinncinati (Cinncinati 21-13)


they will lose, to a team the chargers beat.

[VanHorneDog]

yeah, the chargers had a let down. but, they still found a way to win (however disputable, even though i think they would have at least tied it before the end of the game)

also, i might agree, the ravens D-fense is awsome and with McNair they can score. however tonight


Baltimore vs Cincinnati (Cincinnati 21-13)


they will lose, to a team the chargers beat.

baltimore Vs Cincinnati (Cincinnati 21-13) - Cincinnati 13-7 :thumbsup

[luke7]

I had no idea that there was a game Thursday night until I saw the score on ESPN.

[VanHorneDog]

I had no idea that there was a game Thursday night until I saw the score on ESPN.

you should have seen sports center, they waited like 10 seconds after it was over to do highlights... lol. they really wanted to cover it. :lol

[dmbmuskie]

Last night convinced me completely that basically everyone in the NFL is garbage.

[seekupig]

Last night convinced me completely that basically everyone in the NFL is garbage.

how so?

[VanHorneDog]

how does that make sense??? i mean if the NFL is garbage.. whos GOOD?

[Tiduwho]

Last night convinced me completely that basically everyone in the NFL is garbage.

Why, were you on the Ravens bandwagon?



Any Given Sunday. In the NFL, there are no "shoulds" or "supposed to's". That's why I love the NFL, and get annoyed by the overall picture in College.

[Dancing Ants]

Why, were you on the Ravens bandwagon?



Any Given Sunday. In the NFL, there are no "shoulds" or "supposed to's". That's why I love the NFL, and get annoyed by the overall picture in College.

yeah, not a big college fan myself.

why have any system at all if you already know which teams are going to win every game they play?

[seekupig]

yeah, not a big college fan myself.

why have any system at all if you already know which teams are going to win every game they play?

College Basketball > NFL > Everything Else....

[Dancing Ants]

College Basketball


talk about boring.

[xBigNastyx]

College Basketball > NFL > Everything Else....


No way, but I can understand where you're coming from. College basketball is good for those who like basketball, but to me basketball is just a lame sport all together.

[UNC41]

talk about boring.

Talk about making no sense.

[xBigNastyx]

3 for 9, 22 yds, 2 ints at HALFTIME!!!


Nice Grossman! Keep talking trash you idiot.


Man he sucks.

Most overhyped player after the first couple weeks I have seen in years.

[SoRight24]

Jets 31
Packers 0

Another half to go! :)

[gravedigger2424]

colts loose

[BotheDMBFan]

TITANS BEAT COLTS!

Wow.

[VanHorneDog]

and the patriots stuggled against the Tigers.

[BotheDMBFan]

YOu mean Lions?

[VanHorneDog]

YOu mean Lions?

no, i ment tigers. who are the lions?

wait... detriot has a football team? :lol

[xBigNastyx]

If Grossman is a good QB, than Michael Jackson is my brother.

[BotheDMBFan]

If Grossman is a good QB, than Michael Jackson is my brother.

Well, that could be, I mean, his dad DID sleep around a lot.

[xBigNastyx]

Well, that could be, I mean, his dad DID sleep around a lot.

Right.

And if I said Chris Rock is my brother, that would also be possible. Come on man.

:rolleyes

[xBigNastyx]

I LOVE how Gramatica missed his first FG.

Parcells needs to learn how to infuse confidence into his kickers and not treat them like shitheads.

No wonder he ruins kickers...

Vanderjagt wasnt very good this year, but it wasn't entirely his fault, his line DID fuck up their blocks a few times which caused blocked kicks.....

[BotheDMBFan]

Right.

And if I said Chris Rock is my brother, that would also be possible. Come on man.

:rolleyes

Hey, you never know...............

[Trippin4136]

Nailbiter in the Meadowlands. If the Giants can keep their heads on straight, stop making stupid disciplinary penalties maybe, just maybe, they can take this game.

EDIT: another big drop by Owens. lol.

Also, it's remarkable to see the Bears win games when Grossman can play THAT bad. That has to be one of the worst games by a QB in recent NFL history.

[VanHorneDog]

honestly, how can they stick with grossman? just put a RB back there and dirrect snap it the whole time. at least they wont turn the ball over that way.

[Trippin4136]

:lol

funny you mentioned that. While watching all the college games yesterday and seeing so many 3rd and 5 or less fail, I was thinking how no one utilizes the direct snap anymore. It's throws the D's time off considerably and almost always leads to a large gain.

What do you know, the Giants ran one on 3rd and 6 in the 1st quarter and got a 15 yard gain. Best thing the Giants have done all game.

[dmbmuskie]

The Steelers live to see atleast 1 more week.

[clayj41]

This Cowboys-Giants game is really exciting.

[dmbmuskie]

I cannot believe Tampa kicked a field goal as time expired to avoid being shutout. I wonder how many times that has happned in NFL history.

[xBigNastyx]

I cannot believe Tampa kicked a field goal as time expired to avoid being shutout. I wonder how many times that has happned in NFL history.

Not saying you are, but I hope you aren't complaining about that...

[UNC41]

And the legend of Tony Romo continues with that huge play to begin the game-winning drive. ESPN will have fun with this.

[Tiduwho]

And the legend of Jesus Romo continues with that huge play to begin the game-winning drive. ESPN will have fun with this.

Fixed.

[Dancing Ants]

Fixed.

you've got a lotta balls to keep grossman as your avatar.

[dmbmuskie]

Not saying you are, but I hope you aren't complaining about that...

No, I've just literally never seen that at any level in my life.

[41ravens]

I LOVE how Gramatica missed his first FG.

Parcells needs to learn how to infuse confidence into his kickers and not treat them like shitheads.

No wonder he ruins kickers...

Vanderjagt wasnt very good this year, but it wasn't entirely his fault, his line DID fuck up their blocks a few times which caused blocked kicks.....

i loved when he kicked the game winner. that might just be me, though.

[Dancing Ants]

why again did they put Cutler in right now?

bad decision. i was saying that before the game...but this is just bad.

[41ravens]

yeah, we need denver to win this.

[clayj41]

why again did they put Cutler in right now?

bad decision. i was saying that before the game...but this is just bad.

Yeah, he doesn't look ready (not that Plummer was very effective either) but why would you want to risk your chances of making the playoffs?

[clayj41]

Wow!!!!!

[Dancing Ants]

Yeah, he doesn't look ready (not that Plummer was very effective either) but why would you want to risk your chances of making the playoffs?

taht's what i'm thinking. wow....touchdown for Denver. good play by Cutler right now.


...still...every QB should sit for 2-3 years, imo.

[Tiduwho]

Wow, Seattle's tackling is AMAZINGLY bad.

[clayj41]

taht's what i'm thinking. wow....touchdown for Denver. good play by Cutler right now.


...still...every QB should sit for 2-3 years, imo.

I agree that there's a learning curve there, but this year's rookie crop haven't played that bad. Leinart and Young have shown moments of brilliance, but they've also made rookie mistakes. They don't play for playoff contenders though. I have a feeling that Cutler will be just fine, but I really don't like this move as far as it applies to this year.

[Dancing Ants]

I agree that there's a learning curve there, but this year's rookie crop haven't played that bad. Leinart and Young have shown moments of brilliance, but they've also made rookie mistakes. They don't play for playoff contenders though. I have a feeling that Cutler will be just fine, but I really don't like this move as far as it applies to this year.

yeah, they've looked good at times, but if you give them time to learn the game on the bench, learn the speed of the game, etc, they will be very good in 2-3 years, ie Tony Romo. guy looks and plays like a pro because he's had time to work on the things that make a good QB off the field. and when he gets out there, he tries to minimize mistakes, and usually plays pretty well.

[clayj41]

yeah, they've looked good at times, but if you give them time to learn the game on the bench, learn the speed of the game, etc, they will be very good in 2-3 years, ie Tony Romo. guy looks and plays like a pro because he's had time to work on the things that make a good QB off the field. and when he gets out there, he tries to minimize mistakes, and usually plays pretty well.

I agree that that's generally how things work. I hope Aaron Rodgers learns a lot on the bench why Favre continues to play.

[Dancing Ants]

Wow, Seattle's tackling is AMAZINGLY bad.

Amazing....ly bad.

[Dancing Ants]

I agree that that's generally how things work. I hope Aaron Rodgers learns a lot on the bench why Favre continues to play.

i like Cutler too. i wish they had left him, and VY and Leinart on the bench. you obviously aren't going to win anymore games with Leinart than you are with Warner....that whole team minus Leinart has a loser's mentality.

[Tiduwho]

Yeah, let's run the ball with 45 seconds left and waste....OMG THEY JUST RAN AGAIN!!!!!


WTF ARE THEY DOING????

[41ravens]

so, honest question here...are bears' fans still behind grossman?

[Tiduwho]

They're lucky to end it there. That's all I'm gonna say. 3 yard runs and wasting 20 seconds? Yeah, that's smart playcalling under a minute.

[clayj41]

Yeah, let's run the ball with 45 seconds left and waste....OMG THEY JUST RAN AGAIN!!!!!


WTF ARE THEY DOING????

Well, it worked out for them.

[Tiduwho]

so, honest question here...are bears' fans still behind grossman?

15% according to some poll somewhere. Hey, that's not bad.

[41ravens]

15% according to some poll somewhere. Hey, that's not bad.

really? wow. that's actually more than i would've expected.

[Dancing Ants]

wow...i can't believe they put cutler in. right decision....WRONG time.

[clayj41]

so, honest question here...are bears' fans still behind grossman?

I'm not a Bears fan, in fact I'm the exact opposite since I'm a Packers fan, but in my opinion I don't see how they really have any other choice. Who are they gonna go with, Griese or Orton? Grossman has shown that he's capable and despite his mistakes, I feel the Bears have to stick to their guns.

[41ravens]

I'm not a Bears fan, in fact I'm the exact opposite since I'm a Packers fan, but in my opinion I don't see how they really have any other choice. Who are they gonna go with, Griese or Orton? Grossman has shown that he's capable and despite his mistakes, I feel the Bears have to stick to their guns.

true. but this can't last. you can't win every game on defensive/special teams touchdowns.

[Tiduwho]

you've got a lotta balls to keep grossman as your avatar.


I've been a Bears fanatic since 1993. I didn't get here by being a fair weather bandwagoner.



Still...sigh...he just doesn't look the same at all... :(

[Dancing Ants]

really? wow. that's actually more than i would've expected.

it's kinda like our kicking situation.

neither of the guys is that great anymore...it just depends on who shows up to play. vanderjagt didn't, gramatica did (today).

griese isn't a whole lot better.

[Dancing Ants]

I've been a Bears fanatic since 1993. I didn't get here by being a fair weather bandwagoner.



Still...sigh...he just doesn't look the same at all... :(

i wouldn't call it bandwagoner to put maybe Urlacher or even your kick returner in there.

[clayj41]

true. but this can't last. you can't win every game on defensive/special teams touchdowns.

And they won't. When they meet some more capable teams in the playoffs, if Grossman has a game like he had today they'll get killed.

[41ravens]

damn seahawks. the #2 spot isn't going to be easy, but i think we can do it. we have to beat the saints next week.

[41ravens]

And they won't. When they meet some more capable teams in the playoffs, if Grossman has a game like he had today they'll get killed.

yeah, that's what i'm thinking. home field advantage won't even help. he does worse there than he does on the road.

[clayj41]

So, I just checked my fantasy league and with Alexander's touchdown I'm gonna win and clinch a playoff spot. I'll be playing for the #1 seed next week though.

[clayj41]

damn seahawks. the #2 spot isn't going to be easy, but i think we can do it. we have to beat the saints next week.

Yeah, that should be their last real challenge.

[Dancing Ants]

And they won't. When they meet some more capable teams in the playoffs, if Grossman has a game like he had today they'll get killed.

New England. and imagine if NE had played a *good* game against the bears.

[Tiduwho]

i wouldn't call it bandwagoner to put maybe Urlacher or even your kick returner in there.

I meant that the Bears were absolutely dreadful for a decade. I'm not an on-again off-again bandwagon jumper. Griese will get some time once they get homefield. Bears just have to win the next two and they'd hold all tiebreakers.

[Dancing Ants]

I meant that the Bears were absolutely dreadful for a decade. I'm not an on-again off-again bandwagon jumper. Griese will get some time once they get homefield. Bears just have to win the next two and they'd hold all tiebreakers.

they'll win well with that schedule of theirs. it'll be interesting to see how they play against playoff caliber teams. even playoff caliber NFC teams.

[Tiduwho]

New England. and imagine if NE had played a *good* game against the bears.

Bears couldn't have played much worse either, so I don't really see your point.

[Dancing Ants]

Bears couldn't have played much worse either, so I don't really see your point.

your defense played ok. your O was horrible. so was NE's, though. interceptions ajar.

what i'm saying is, you can't win every game with defense. had new england's offense been playing like it had in weeks past, they would've swamped you.

[Tiduwho]

The question of the day (don't worry, ESPN will start asking soon enough):


Have you been saved?


Have you accepted Jesus Romo as your personal Savior?

[Tiduwho]

your defense played ok. your O was horrible. so was NE's, though. interceptions ajar.

what i'm saying is, you can't win every game with defense. had new england's offense been playing like it had in weeks past, they would've swamped you.

What I meant was that it could go both ways. If the offense had played like it had in week's past (don't forget that Rex and the offense ripped the Giants just two weeks before), then they would have swamped NE. So? "What if's" are really pointless.

[41ravens]

The question of the day (don't worry, ESPN will start asking soon enough):


Have you been saved?


Have you accepted Jesus Romo as your personal Savior?

yes. yes i have.

[luke7]

The question of the day (don't worry, ESPN will start asking soon enough):


Have you been saved?


Have you accepted Jesus Romo as your personal Savior?

LOL!!!

[UNC41]

taht's what i'm thinking. wow....touchdown for Denver. good play by Cutler right now.


...still...every QB should sit for 2-3 years, imo.

It's not plausible to let top 10 picks sit on the bench for that long with the amount of money they are being paid these days. Very few teams have a cap situation where they could if they would. Plus, how much sense does it make to sign a guy to a six year contract like Leinart and then pay him $50 million to play three years. I can understand sitting one year, but you can't expect them to make high draft picks wait that long.

[seekupig]

yes. yes i have.

WWRD?

[xBigNastyx]

It's not plausible to let top 10 picks sit on the bench for that long with the amount of money they are being paid these days. Very few teams have a cap situation where they could if they would. Plus, how much sense does it make to sign a guy to a six year contract like Leinart and then pay him $50 million to play three years. I can understand sitting one year, but you can't expect them to make high draft picks wait that long.

I agree Bryan.


To say that Collins should be starting in TN still over Young is ridiculous.

To say that Warner should be starting over Leinart is ridiculous.

And to say that Cutler should not have taken over for Plummer is also dumb.

These QBs give their teams the best chance to win, and they need to be playing.

[seekupig]

I agree Bryan.


To say that Collins should be starting in TN still over Young is ridiculous.

To say that Warner should be starting over Leinart is ridiculous.

And to say that Cutler should not have taken over for Plummer is also dumb.

These QBs give their teams the best chance to win, and they need to be playing.

i agree with everything except for Cutler. not saying he's not better, but i don't think that's a move you make when you're still in the playoff hunt. to me, that just feels like a give up move that late in the season. Dallas did it when they looked like they couldn't win a game. Denver is in the best division in football and is still in the mix.... i think they should have done it sooner or not at all.

[Dancing Ants]

It's not plausible to let top 10 picks sit on the bench for that long with the amount of money they are being paid these days. Very few teams have a cap situation where they could if they would. Plus, how much sense does it make to sign a guy to a six year contract like Leinart and then pay him $50 million to play three years. I can understand sitting one year, but you can't expect them to make high draft picks wait that long.

yeah i know. that's why i hate the cap.

they're ruining a lot of great future players. sure, they'll all be pretty good...still...

[UNC41]

i agree with everything except for Cutler. not saying he's not better, but i don't think that's a move you make when you're still in the playoff hunt. to me, that just feels like a give up move that late in the season. Dallas did it when they looked like they couldn't win a game. Denver is in the best division in football and is still in the mix.... i think they should have done it sooner or not at all.

I agree. If Shannahan thought it was necessary to make the change he should have done it against Oakland a couple weeks ago or in two weeks against Arizona.

[UNC41]

yeah i know. that's why i hate the cap.

they're ruining a lot of great future players. sure, they'll all be pretty good...still...

It's not the cap, but the insane amount signing bonuses go for these days. Even so, I think more than one year is too much. Players still need time getting adjusted to the game that you just can't teach in practice. Carson Palmer is the perfect example of this. Sure he struggled at times his first year as the starter, but those are growing pains so many QBs have regardless of how long they've been on the bench. By his third year in the league he is one of the best QBs in the NFL.

[Dancing Ants]

how does Matt Leinart give his team a better chance to win? they're what...3-9?

i'm not saying he's a bad QB. i think he'll be very good (when he demands to be traded?), but he's not doing any more for them than Warner was.

[UNC41]

how does Matt Leinart give his team a better chance to win? they're what...3-9?

i'm not saying he's a bad QB. i think he'll be very good (when he demands to be traded?), but he's not doing any more for them than Warner was.

No one has a good chance to win behind that line.

[seekupig]

No one has a good chance to win behind that line.

:thumbsup

he's gives them a better chance to win in the future, and that's why they're playing him now.

[clayj41]

No one has a good chance to win behind that line.

:thumbsup Leinart has a lot of potential but until Arizona improves their O-line, he's gonna have it rough.

[Dancing Ants]

No one has a good chance to win behind that line.

exactly. so why risk a major injury? let warner get banged up, hell, he's already banged up. why risk injuring the one player who could save that franchise?

[UNC41]

exactly. so why risk a major injury? let warner get banged up, hell, he's already banged up. why risk injuring the one player who could save that franchise?

When you play pro football, you're always risking a major injury. By starting Leinart now you give him the chance of adjusting to the game speed of the NFL with hopes that he'll progress as you put the piece around him to be successful, not after you acquire them.

[Dancing Ants]

When you play pro football, you're always risking a major injury. By starting Leinart now you give him the chance of adjusting to the game speed of the NFL with hopes that he'll progress as you put the piece around him to be successful, not after you acquire them.

eh. i disagree. i'm not arguing for 2-3 years on the bench. but he shouldn't be playing right now.

[VanHorneDog]

how does Matt Leinart give his team a better chance to win? they're what...3-9?

i'm not saying he's a bad QB. i think he'll be very good (when he demands to be traded?), but he's not doing any more for them than Warner was.

well, warner single handedly lost them 2 or 3 games. Leinart has yet to lose them one on his own. :shrug

[VanHorneDog]

ok, here is my top 10. hate on, you know its true.

1. Chargers (10-2)
2. Colts (10-2)
3. Ravens (9-3)
4. Patriots (9-3)
5. Bengals (7-5)
6. Bears (10-2)
7. Cowboys (8-4)
8. Seahawks (8-4)
9. Saints (8-4)
10. Jags (7-5)

honerable mention to denver and KC... but theys till suck :D

[Tiduwho]

ok, here is my top 10. hate on, you know its true.

1. Chargers (10-2)
2. Colts (10-2)
3. Ravens (9-3)
4. Patriots (9-3)
5. Bengals (7-5)
6. Bears (10-2)
7. Cowboys (8-4)
8. Seahawks (8-4)
9. Saints (8-4)
10. Jags (7-5)

honerable mention to denver and KC... but theys till suck :D


Didn't take long for that Bengals bandwagon to get roaring again.

[VanHorneDog]

Didn't take long for that Bengals bandwagon to get roaring again.

nope :lol

their defense has started to get rolling, and well palmer and johnson are better than payton and (insert any number starting with 8 here).

[dmbmuskie]

My problem with Cutler playing is that the Broncos should have never drafted him. They were one win away from the Super Bowl, which is not a time in franchise history to grab the future QB of you franchise. I think if you put Maroney in Denver their running game is much better, and because of that there is less pressure on Plummer.

[dmbmuskie]

Didn't take long for that Bengals bandwagon to get roaring again.

It's like the beginning of the season all over again. The Bengals are a legit contender and they've got guys being arrested again.

[Trippin4136]

I disagree with your thought that the Broncos shouldn't drafted Cutler. The Broncos were in a situation where they had virtually NO idea from week to week what kind of play they would get out of the QB position and they wanted a rock for the future, b/c let's face it, Plummer is most likely done in Denver after this season.

[dmbmuskie]

I disagree with your thought that the Broncos shouldn't drafted Cutler. The Broncos were in a situation where they had virtually NO idea from week to week what kind of play they would get out of the QB position and they wanted a rock for the future, b/c let's face it, Plummer is most likely done in Denver after this season.

Plummer didn't play bad last year, and when he finally did become "the Snake" in the AFC title game it was against a very good defense playing at it's peak. He's actually never been that bad in Denver except for this year.

It seems like they have been the only team on national TV this year, so I've watched them play a lot. They are ranked 4th in the league in rushing, but it's not the same as it used to be.

[Dancing Ants]

well, warner single handedly lost them 2 or 3 games. Leinart has yet to lose them one on his own. :shrug

true, but they've still lost 9 games.

[xBigNastyx]

Will someone PLEASE tell Irvin to SHUTUP about his stupid Cowboys?

Did you guys see in the pregame where Jackson was talking about strong cores of players and how the Chargers have one that no one else he can think of does and Irvin butted in and was like "I disagree, the Cowboys have the best core, blah blah fucking blah."

He is so dumb, why is he paid to give his opinions that lack common sense?

[SmoothD41]

Will someone PLEASE tell Irvin to SHUTUP about his stupid Cowboys?

Did you guys see in the pregame where Jackson was talking about strong cores of players and how the Chargers have one that no one else he can think of does and Irvin butted in and was like "I disagree, the Cowboys have the best core, blah blah fucking blah."

He is so dumb, why is he paid to give his opinions that lack common sense?

because he smokes crack.

[The-Last-Stop]

Philly will upset carolina tonight.