NFL Football 2006-2007

[RJ2kWJ]

Sylvester is too tough.

[luke7]

Why is ESPN so in love with Tony Romo ??

[SmoothD41]

jeff garcia is painful to watch. If I was Brian Westbrook, I would be ready to kill myself.

[RJ2kWJ]

Why is ESPN so in love with Tony Romo ??

Because most of them are gay... And Romo rhymes with homo or can be turned in to Romosexual.

[Tiduwho]

Man, these Philly fans are brutal. They boo incompletions.

[Trippin4136]

I didn't think it was possible for MNF's in-game production to get worse and they bring Sylvester Stallone into the booth for 10 minutes of nonsensical gibberish and Yo Adrians!! and Yo Tony!! - or at least that's all that I understood coming from his mouth.

[BotheDMBFan]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Ravens
5. Saints(GOD how much I hate saying that)

[Dancing Ants]

Why is ESPN so in love with Tony Romo ??

because, for a first year starter, he's very very good.

[Dancing Ants]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Ravens
5. Saints(GOD how much I hate saying that)

the saints? c'mon...they beat SF. that's nothing.

[BotheDMBFan]

the saints? c'mon...they beat SF. that's nothing.

Yeah, but I've kept them out for a while, and I'd like to have 2 NFC teams in, and I'm still not sold on the Cowboys.

[clayj41]

1. Chargers
2. Colts
3. Patriots
4. Ravens
5. Bears
6. Cowboys
7. Saints
8. Bengals
9. Seahawks
10. Carolina (pending tonight's game)

[Tiduwho]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Ravens
5. Saints(GOD how much I hate saying that)

Colts lose to the Titans, and the Pats win again.....so that means Colts are #1 and Pats aren't even top 5? :confused

[clayj41]

Colts lose to the Titans, and the Pats win again.....so that means Colts are #1 and Pats aren't even top 5? :confused

:thumbsup Pats should definitely be there before the Saints.

[BotheDMBFan]

Colts lose to the Titans, and the Pats win again.....so that means Colts are #1 and Pats aren't even top 5? :confused

After I blocked that Pats v Bears game from my mind...I guess I just forgot about the Pats too.

[41ravens]

Colts lose to the Titans, and the Pats win again.....so that means Colts are #1 and Pats aren't even top 5? :confused

word. his top 5 gets an F+. but the pats beating the lions by a touchdown didn't really impress me. let's see...

1. chargers
2. colts
3. ravens
4. pats
5. cowboys

the bears' offense keeps them out of the top 5 in my mind.

[BotheDMBFan]

word. his top 5 gets an F+. but the pats beating the lions by a touchdown didn't really impress me. let's see...

1. chargers
2. colts
3. ravens
4. pats
5. cowboys

the bears' offense keeps them out of the top 5 in my mind.

The fact that I got an F+ just shows how fucking great I am.

Also, who have the Chargers beaten this year?

[clayj41]

The fact that I got an F+ just shows how fucking great I am.

Also, who have the Chargers beaten this year?

You're right that they haven't beaten any good teams, but this season has shown me that anything is possible and the fact that they've won 6 straight is pretty impressive with the parity in the league.

[emu513]

The top 10 teams in the NFL right now are . . .

1. Colts
2. Patriots
3. Chargers
4. Cowboys
5. Bears
6. Bengals
7. Saints
8. Ravens
9. Seahawks
10. Jets

[clayj41]

1. Chargers
2. Colts
3. Patriots
4. Ravens
5. Bears
6. Cowboys
7. Saints
8. Bengals
9. Seahawks
10. Carolina (pending tonight's game)

I'd like to change my #10 team to the Jets...

[BotheDMBFan]

Who won tonight?

[RJ2kWJ]

Who won tonight?

Philly.

www.espn.com is a useful tool for these questions. :D

[seekupig]

I'd like to change my #10 team to the Jets...

i'd like to change your #10 to the Chiefs. but then i remember they lost to the Browns yesterday, so carry on. :BANG

[clayj41]

i'd like to change your #10 to the Chiefs. but then i remember they lost to the Browns yesterday, so carry on. :BANG

Yeah, I considered putting them at #10 but I too remembered that they lost to the Browns.

[xBigNastyx]

My Top 5

1. Colts
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Ravens
5. Saints(GOD how much I hate saying that)

:lol


AWFUL list

[xBigNastyx]

Colts lose to the Titans, and the Pats win again.....so that means Colts are #1 and Pats aren't even top 5? :confused

And there is no way the Bears are better than the Patriots. The Patriots sucked this week and barely beat the Lions, but the Bears didn't look so hot either and Rex Grossman sucks.

[xBigNastyx]

The fact that I got an F+ just shows how fucking great I am.

Also, who have the Chargers beaten this year?

If you are gonna play that game, I have a better question for you. Who have the Bears beaten this year? Green Bay? Detroit? Minnesota? Seattle? Buffalo? Arizona (which they didn't win in my mind, Rackers lost it)? San Francisco? Giants? Jets? Minnesota?


The only good team they beat is Seattle. :lol


The combined record of their opponents in the games they have won this year is 45-63 which is also the same as SDs opponents who they have won their games against.


But SD has beaten Denver who is better than their 7-5 record indicates. They have beaten Cincy who IMO is better than their 7-5 record indicates.

You can't say the same about the Bears, they haven't beaten any teams worth a shit except Seattle.


So don't claim the Chargers haven't beaten anyone when the Bears have had an even easier schedule IMO.

[xBigNastyx]

And I know what you'll say, so to help you out, heres, the stats so you don't ask who the Pats have played against.


The combined record of their opponents in games they have won is 50-58.

The combined record of the teams that have beat the Pats is 24-12, which is a .667 winning percentage. Pretty good.

The combined record of the teams that beat the Bears is 13-10, which is a .565 winning percentage.........

Just some interesting info for those interested.

[Trippin4136]

so four 6-6 teams are in the hunt in the NFC.

it's remarkable to think for as miserable and awful the Giants have been the last month, they are still the #5 seed :lol

[dmbmuskie]

I'll throw it out there to the masses. What does everyone think of the Super Bowl champs making a playoff push? It's not nearly as far fetched as most people think.

[rconverse]

I'll throw it out there to the masses. What does everyone think of the Super Bowl champs making a playoff push? It's not nearly as far fetched as most people think.

I don't think about it, because I really don't see it happening.

Also, the Panthers should pick up Vanderjadt. If you are going to assemble the greatest group of chokers onto one team, how do you leave him off?

I am sure I spelled that name wrong, but he is so god awful that it wasn't worth looking up.

[seekupig]

I'll throw it out there to the masses. What does everyone think of the Super Bowl champs making a playoff push? It's not nearly as far fetched as most people think.

i saw the scenario in the Steelers thread. possible, but i don't like your chances. you're relying on help from to many teams to get you in there. everything has to go perfect for you to even has a shot, i wouldn't count on it.

[dmbmuskie]

It's definitely a stretch, but there really are not many upsets involved.

[seekupig]

It's definitely a stretch, but there really are not many upsets involved.

not many upsets, but needing ALL of that to happen is where the problem lies in my opinion.....

[dmbmuskie]

not many upsets, but needing ALL of that to happen is where the problem lies in my opinion.....

It was ugly this time last year too, and there were teams in front of the Steelers playing much better football than the teams in front of the Steelers this year.

[seekupig]

It was ugly this time last year too, and there were teams in front of the Steelers playing much better football than the teams in front of the Steelers this year.

:thumbsup true. i would say good luck to you, but that would be wishing the Chiefs out of the playoffs....:)

[UNC41]

I'll throw it out there to the masses. What does everyone think of the Super Bowl champs making a playoff push? It's not nearly as far fetched as most people think.

I don't see it happening.

Even if Pittsburgh wins out, which means winning three very tough games, I don't think 9-7 gets you in the playoffs in the AFC.

[Trippin4136]

I don't think I saw a mention of it here...

How in the HELL did the Texans win with -5 net passing yards? I know I know, the played the Raiders, but STILL! -5!!!

[VanHorneDog]

I don't think I saw a mention of it here...

How in the HELL did the Texans win with -5 net passing yards? I know I know, the played the Raiders, but STILL! -5!!!

its simple, the raiders offense has -3 total scoring (meaning on average they score -3 points)

now, if i where them i would just run the ball the whole game and not throw. their defense is actually not bad.

and it was NET because carr was sacked. he actually had 37 passing yards. anyway, put david carr on the bears, and nobody could beat them.

[VanHorneDog]

It's definitely a stretch, but there really are not many upsets involved.

lets take a look at the teams in front of the steelers. since i dont see any of the top teams not finishing at least 11-5 and winning their division, we will look only at the wild card.

there are 5 teams in the AFC with 7-5 records. lets look at them and their chances.

Cincinnati

Oakland - Win - oakland has a really good D, but on offense)
@ Indianapolis - Loss- they can score with the bengals, its up to the bengal secondary which has been lit up by some, its at indy too.
@ Denver - Loss - with cutler having a few games under his belt, i think the bronco D will get back in form and they will score some points. denver is probably the toughest place to play in the NLF and i dont see them loosing 4 there.
Pittsburg - Win - it might come all down to this game

NY Jets (i really dont think they are for real if you can tell. :D)

Buffalo - Loss - The streak ends here, Buffalo is looking good for next year and Losman is looking good.
@ Minnisota - Loss - Minnisota can run, and can stop the run. i dont see them goign to Minn and winning if they have to pass the ball to win.
@ Miami - Win - Miami is coming on strong, but i think they pull it out close
Oakland - Loss - finally, the raiders get something going offensivly and that defense holds.

Jacksonville

Indianapolis - Loss - i could see them pulling it out if they where more consistent, but after a Indy loss. not a chance
@ Tennessee - Loss - vince young, nuff said.
New England - Loss - No chance here, New England gets into its Playoff form
Kansas City - Loss - this is another big last week game to decide.

Kansas City (i dont evny their schedual)

Baltimore - Win - Baltimore wil have trouble when LJ gets going, after the loss to the Browns and LJ not being a factor, they get back to business. also its at home, KC at home it tough.
@ San Diego - Loss - San Diego is a better team and has yet to loose at home
@ Oakland - Win - Another close one, but lack of consistent offense will put oakland in the loosers column, again.
Jacksonville - Win - big game indeed

Denver
@ San Diego - loss - Culter will not be on stride when he has his lights knocked out, if you thought he was scared against the Seahawks, watchout.
@ Arizona - win - i just dont see them loosing this one, although. AZ is looking much better
Cincinnati - Win - no idea, another one of those BIG games
San Francisco - Win - Although San Fran has been suprising at times this year, i just dont see any NFC team besides seatle, new orleans or dallas being able to truely contend with an average AFC team.

so with that we have

Cincinnati (9-7) they will win 2 and that alone will put them ahead of the steelers, but if they are 8-7 going into the last week, look out.
NY Jets (8-8) i dont see them to being that good, but they could sneak in there and they have the tie breaker
Jacksonville (8-8) but once again if they go 9-7 they have the tie breaker
Kansas City (10-2) they will make it in, but if they go 9-7 Steelers have the tie breaker
Denver (10-6) at most, but if they do they only win 2 they hold the tie breaker over Pitt

so for PItt to get in,

cincinnati (8-8)
NY Jets (8-8)
Jacksonville (8-8)
Kansas City (9-7)
Denver (8-8)

even if Pitt wins out, i dont see that happening to all 5 teams. maybe 3, but even then the tie breakers are all against Pitt.

Kansas City, Denver and Cincinnati will all finish ahead of Pitt with W/L or tie breaker.

but, if KC of Denver fumbles (which could happen) it might come down to that last game Pitt @ Cincy. :shrug

so, yeah i doubt it.


PS. and i finished school for the term today and was board. this took me like a half hour to do. :lol

[clayj41]

^Good research...I actually see the Jets winning out though.:shrug

[VanHorneDog]

^Good research...I actually see the Jets winning out though.:shrug

actually, after thinking about it, i think they could (probably 3-1 tho). but, i just dont see them as for real. but, maybe. i woudl much rather have them in the playoffs than say the jags, KC or denver

they are much less scary. :lol

[clayj41]

actually, after thinking about it, i think they could (probably 3-1 tho). but, i just dont see them as for real. but, maybe. i woudl much rather have them in the playoffs than say the jags, KC or denver

they are much less scary. :lol

They're decent, and they have a much easier schedule than all of the other teams they're competing with for a spot. I agree, they are much less dangerous than some of the other teams like KC and Jacksonville. Here's how I see it working out.

1. Colts (13-3)
2. Chargers (13-3)
3. Ravens (12-4)
4. Pats (12-4)
5. Jets (11-5)
6. Bengals (10-6)

[VanHorneDog]

They're decent, and they have a much easier schedule than all of the other teams they're competing with for a spot. I agree, they are much less dangerous than some of the other teams like KC and Jacksonville. Here's how I see it working out.

1. Colts (13-3)
2. Chargers (13-3)
3. Ravens (12-4)
4. Pats (12-4)
5. Jets (11-5)
6. Bengals (10-6)

probally true, although if the chargers lose one more it will probably be @ seattle. and if the colts lose again it will be cincy, and then the tie breaker will fall to the chargers not the colts. putting the chargers at #1. but it doesnt matter, the colts play the same everywhere, they really do not have a huge home field advantage. chargers beat them last year there. :D

[clayj41]

probally true, although if the chargers lose one more it will probably be @ seattle. and if the colts lose again it will be cincy, and then the tie breaker will fall to the chargers not the colts. putting the chargers at #1. but it doesnt matter, the colts play the same everywhere, they really do not have a huge home field advantage. chargers beat them last year there. :D

I was unsure of what the initial tie-breaker was if the teams had not played head to head. What is it, division record? Conference record?

[VanHorneDog]

I was unsure of what the initial tie-breaker was if the teams had not played head to head. What is it, division record? Conference record?

conference, than similar apponents i believe the colts are 3-1 against teams the chargers have played and are 4-0 against, since they lost to the titans and im assuming they beat the bengals tho.

[Trippin4136]

and it was NET because carr was sacked. he actually had 37 passing yards. anyway, put david carr on the bears, and nobody could beat them.

yes i know what net yards are

[VanHorneDog]

yes i know what net yards are

im just saying total passing yards would be more impressive at -5. cuz then he would probably have complted like 2 passes for negative yards. just making sure everyone knew. :D :thumbsup

[dmbhoosier21]

probally true, although if the chargers lose one more it will probably be @ seattle. and if the colts lose again it will be cincy, and then the tie breaker will fall to the chargers not the colts. putting the chargers at #1. but it doesnt matter, the colts play the same everywhere, they really do not have a huge home field advantage. chargers beat them last year there. :D


When you say "the Colts play the same everywhere" it's true and that is shitty and porous run defense

but when you say they don't have an advantage if they play at the dome as oppose to an outdoor field you are wrong. The dome is as loud as it gets (teams have complained and accused the Colts of "piping" sound noise - whatever that means) and considering the team is built on speed, I think the field surface at the dome does give Indy an advantage.

On that note, watching the Colts D makes me do this every Sunday :BANG

but gotta keep the hope alive

GO COLTS!

[dmbmuskie]

lets take a look at the teams in front of the steelers. since i dont see any of the top teams not finishing at least 11-5 and winning their division, we will look only at the wild card.

there are 5 teams in the AFC with 7-5 records. lets look at them and their chances.

Cincinnati

Oakland - Win - oakland has a really good D, but on offense)
@ Indianapolis - Loss- they can score with the bengals, its up to the bengal secondary which has been lit up by some, its at indy too.
@ Denver - Loss - with cutler having a few games under his belt, i think the bronco D will get back in form and they will score some points. denver is probably the toughest place to play in the NLF and i dont see them loosing 4 there.
Pittsburg - Win - it might come all down to this game

NY Jets (i really dont think they are for real if you can tell. :D)

Buffalo - Loss - The streak ends here, Buffalo is looking good for next year and Losman is looking good.
@ Minnisota - Loss - Minnisota can run, and can stop the run. i dont see them goign to Minn and winning if they have to pass the ball to win.
@ Miami - Win - Miami is coming on strong, but i think they pull it out close
Oakland - Loss - finally, the raiders get something going offensivly and that defense holds.

Jacksonville

Indianapolis - Loss - i could see them pulling it out if they where more consistent, but after a Indy loss. not a chance
@ Tennessee - Loss - vince young, nuff said.
New England - Loss - No chance here, New England gets into its Playoff form
Kansas City - Loss - this is another big last week game to decide.

Kansas City (i dont evny their schedual)

Baltimore - Win - Baltimore wil have trouble when LJ gets going, after the loss to the Browns and LJ not being a factor, they get back to business. also its at home, KC at home it tough.
@ San Diego - Loss - San Diego is a better team and has yet to loose at home
@ Oakland - Win - Another close one, but lack of consistent offense will put oakland in the loosers column, again.
Jacksonville - Win - big game indeed

Denver
@ San Diego - loss - Culter will not be on stride when he has his lights knocked out, if you thought he was scared against the Seahawks, watchout.
@ Arizona - win - i just dont see them loosing this one, although. AZ is looking much better
Cincinnati - Win - no idea, another one of those BIG games
San Francisco - Win - Although San Fran has been suprising at times this year, i just dont see any NFC team besides seatle, new orleans or dallas being able to truely contend with an average AFC team.

so with that we have

Cincinnati (9-7) they will win 2 and that alone will put them ahead of the steelers, but if they are 8-7 going into the last week, look out.
NY Jets (8-8) i dont see them to being that good, but they could sneak in there and they have the tie breaker
Jacksonville (8-8) but once again if they go 9-7 they have the tie breaker
Kansas City (10-2) they will make it in, but if they go 9-7 Steelers have the tie breaker
Denver (10-6) at most, but if they do they only win 2 they hold the tie breaker over Pitt

so for PItt to get in,

cincinnati (8-8)
NY Jets (8-8)
Jacksonville (8-8)
Kansas City (9-7)
Denver (8-8)

even if Pitt wins out, i dont see that happening to all 5 teams. maybe 3, but even then the tie breakers are all against Pitt.

Kansas City, Denver and Cincinnati will all finish ahead of Pitt with W/L or tie breaker.

but, if KC of Denver fumbles (which could happen) it might come down to that last game Pitt @ Cincy. :shrug

so, yeah i doubt it.


PS. and i finished school for the term today and was board. this took me like a half hour to do. :lol

The breakdown was already done over on the Steelers thread. I should have given you a heads up.

[41ravens]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking

new power rankings. this should go over well in here.

[Trippin4136]

I would put the Ravens and Patriots ahead of the Cowboys and the Jets ahead of the Jaguars...other than that seems pretty kosher to me.

[VanHorneDog]

When you say "the Colts play the same everywhere" it's true and that is shitty and porous run defense

but when you say they don't have an advantage if they play at the dome as oppose to an outdoor field you are wrong. The dome is as loud as it gets (teams have complained and accused the Colts of "piping" sound noise - whatever that means) and considering the team is built on speed, I think the field surface at the dome does give Indy an advantage.

On that note, watching the Colts D makes me do this every Sunday :BANG

but gotta keep the hope alive

GO COLTS!

well, considering the chargers speed, i dont really think it matters (since it will probalby be a Chargers @ Colts AFC championship game). also, the chargers play in KC, Denver and Oakland every year, 3 of the loudest places to play (although oakland not so much anymore) so i dont think the noise is as big a deal for them as for other teams. but yeah the noise is a factor, Seattle is famous for noise too and it gives them a lot of false starts.

ill give you that one.

[xBigNastyx]

well, considering the chargers speed, i dont really think it matters (since it will probalby be a Chargers @ Colts AFC championship game). also, the chargers play in KC, Denver and Oakland every year, 3 of the loudest places to play (although oakland not so much anymore) so i dont think the noise is as big a deal for them as for other teams. but yeah the noise is a factor, Seattle is famous for noise too and it gives them a lot of false starts.

ill give you that one.


And you guys claim I am the bias one. :lol

You make a lot of bias, bold statements man. You make it way to obvious that you are a Chargers fan when you are talking about the entire NFL. I know at times I have shown some bias (as does everyone), but no one does it as hardcore as you do. All you do is pretend the Chargers are the best thing since sliced bread in every one of your posts. And you're wrong if you think the Colts won't have a home advantage if they play the Chargers in Indy. Face it.

Get off your Chargers blinders man and try to look at things from a different perspective, trust me it works.

[UNC41]

well, considering the chargers speed, i dont really think it matters (since it will probalby be a Chargers @ Colts AFC championship game). also, the chargers play in KC, Denver and Oakland every year, 3 of the loudest places to play (although oakland not so much anymore) so i dont think the noise is as big a deal for them as for other teams. but yeah the noise is a factor, Seattle is famous for noise too and it gives them a lot of false starts.

ill give you that one.

It's far too early to say that those two teams will probably be playing in the AFC title game.

[clayj41]

The regular season doesn't really mean everything and as we've seen, anything can happen and that will continue to be the case in the playoffs. Don't assume anything...

[devilandthelord]

http://tonyhomo.blogspot.com/

Very funny.

[BotheDMBFan]

How long is Tommie Harris out?

[seekupig]

And you guys claim I am the bias one. :lol

You make a lot of bias, bold statements man. You make it way to obvious that you are a Chargers fan when you are talking about the entire NFL. I know at times I have shown some bias (as does everyone), but no one does it as hardcore as you do. All you do is pretend the Chargers are the best thing since sliced bread in every one of your posts. And you're wrong if you think the Colts won't have a home advantage if they play the Chargers in Indy. Face it.

Get off your Chargers blinders man and try to look at things from a different perspective, trust me it works.

i don't agree with a lot of the things you say, but this post is spot on. :thumbsup

sooner or later he'll wake up and remember that Marty Schottenheimer is the head coach of his team.... :lol

[xBigNastyx]

i don't agree with a lot of the things you say, but this post is spot on. :thumbsup

sooner or later he'll wake up and remember that Marty Schottenheimer is the head coach of his team.... :lol

Finally, someone who agrees with me that Schottenheimer isn't a very good coach AT ALL!

To me, he is all about padding LT's stats more than he is about winning the Superbowl...

[dmbmuskie]

Marty is a great coach. You don't coach in the NFL for as long as he has without being a great coach. If it wasn't for the drive he'd have a lot more respect.

[Trippin4136]

Marty is a great coach. You don't coach in the NFL for as long as he has without being a great coach. If it wasn't for the drive he'd have a lot more respect.

very, very true.

[GOB_]

Finally, someone who agrees with me that Schottenheimer isn't a very good coach AT ALL!

To me, he is all about padding LT's stats more than he is about winning the Superbowl...

Padding his stats? LT averages about 21 carries and slightly more than 4 catches per game. That's only 25 touches for arguably the best back in the league. Coincidentally, those happen to be his career averages as well. So, what should Schottenheimer be doing differently with LT?

[BotheDMBFan]

BTW, anyone else think that Goodell is doing a great job as commish so far?

[Trippin4136]

all the owners are making money, all the owners are happy, contracts are still not guaranteed, TV money is coming out of their collective nose...i'd say life in the NFL is pretty gravy right now.

Seems to me like Goodell is pushing all the right buttons to keep the ship sailing smoothly.

[xBigNastyx]

Padding his stats? LT averages about 21 carries and slightly more than 4 catches per game. That's only 25 touches for arguably the best back in the league. Coincidentally, those happen to be his career averages as well. So, what should Schottenheimer be doing differently with LT?

I like how you rounded down on his amount of touches...


What about when the Chargers have a big lead, and decide it's neccesary for LT to throw a td pass? How neccessary is that? They seem to do it every year. Just my opinion. Don't tell me I'm wrong when it's only our opinions. There's no defining answer.

[GOB_]

I like how you rounded down on his amount of touches...


What about when the Chargers have a big lead, and decide it's neccesary for LT to throw a td pass? How neccessary is that?

Sorry, 25.8.

As far as LT throwing the ball, he has only attempted 10 passes in his career. He's 7-10, for 126 yards, and 6 touchdowns. If it works, why stop? And it's not always when the Chargers have a big lead.

[xBigNastyx]

Sorry, 25.8.

As far as LT throwing the ball, he has only attempted 10 passes in his career. He's 7-10, for 126 yards, and 6 touchdowns. If it works, why stop? And it's not always when the Chargers have a big lead.

Show me where I used the word "always".

[GOB_]

Show me where I used the word "always".

You didn't and I didn't say you did (although I can see how you could interpret that from my response). I just wanted to point out that Schottenheimer uses LT's ability to pass from a strategic standpoint at times as well. I'm not trying to argue. I just sincerely want to know how Schottenheimer should use LT. If your only gripe is when he passes the ball when the Chargers have a big lead then I have no problem with that.

[xBigNastyx]

I was wrong, most of the time they don't have a huge lead when he throws for a TD, but I still hold the opinion that Marty is all about padding LT's stats. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have him in late in a game where they are winning 48-19 to get some more TDs (like he did when they played SF)

[GOB_]

I was wrong, most of the time they don't have a huge lead when he throws for a TD, but I still hold the opinion that Marty is all about padding LT's stats. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have him in late in a game where they are winning 48-19 to get some more TDs (like he did when they played SF)

Ok, I can see that (although it worked out for me personally :D). But that's one game out of twelve.

[GOB_]

Just my opinion. Don't tell me I'm wrong when it's only our opinions. There's no defining answer.

And for the record, I never said you were wrong - I don't agree with it - but I never said that it was wrong. I just wanted to know how you came to that conclusion.

[xBigNastyx]

And for the record, I never said you were wrong - I don't agree with it - but I never said that it was wrong. I just wanted to know how you came to that conclusion.


Oh ok gotcha.

And hell yeah he's a fantasy football MACHINE. I've never had the luck of having him...We base draft order year by year based on the previous years's finish, and I usually end up in the top 2 so I always get a crummy pick :D

This year Jackson fell to me at 8th pick, and I grabbed Palmer in the second round. And yes my team is in first place and marching toward another championship. :D

But back to LT, I know he's amazingly talented, it's just when you're destroying a team, why not let Turner get some reps or something you know? I'm sure I wouldn't be saying this if LT was on my fantasy team though :lol , but you get where I'm coming from right? When I watch SD games, it just appears as though Marty is more concerned with LTs stats then he is with winning the game.

Maybe that has something to do with why every year they are the "best team to not make the playoffs"

[Ascf33]

NFC
1. z- Chicago 10 2 0 .833
2. New Orleans 8 4 0 .667
3. Dallas 8 4 0 .667
4. Seattle 8 4 0 .667
5. NY Giants 6 6 0 .500
6. Philadelphia 6 6 0 .500
----------------------
Atlanta 6 6 0 .500
Carolina 6 6 0 .500
San Francisco 5 7 0 .417
St. Louis 5 7 0 .417
Minnesota 5 7 0 .417

AFC
1. Indianapolis 10 2 0
2. San Diego 10 2 0
3. Baltimore 9 3 0
4. New England 9 3 0
6. Cincinnati 7 5 0
6. N.Y. Jets 7 5 0
------------------------
Jacksonville 7 5 0
Kansas City 7 5 0
Denver 7 5 0


Who makes the playoffs?

[SmoothD41]

NFC
1. z- Chicago 10 2 0 .833
2. New Orleans 8 4 0 .667
3. Dallas 8 4 0 .667
4. Seattle 8 4 0 .667
5. NY Giants 6 6 0 .500
6. Philadelphia 6 6 0 .500
----------------------
Atlanta 6 6 0 .500
Carolina 6 6 0 .500
San Francisco 5 7 0 .417
St. Louis 5 7 0 .417
Minnesota 5 7 0 .417

AFC
1. Indianapolis 10 2 0
2. San Diego 10 2 0
3. Baltimore 9 3 0
4. New England 9 3 0
6. Cincinnati 7 5 0
6. N.Y. Jets 7 5 0
------------------------
Jacksonville 7 5 0
Kansas City 7 5 0
Denver 7 5 0


Who makes the playoffs?

i actually don't think there will be any chages, as far as the teams go. As far as seeds, I think Dallas will be a 2 and NO a 3. NE and Baltimore might switch too.

[GOB_]

Oh ok gotcha.

And hell yeah he's a fantasy football MACHINE. I've never had the luck of having him...We base draft order year by year based on the previous years's finish, and I usually end up in the top 2 so I always get a crummy pick :D

This year Jackson fell to me at 8th pick, and I grabbed Palmer in the second round. And yes my team is in first place and marching toward another championship. :D

But back to LT, I know he's amazingly talented, it's just when you're destroying a team, why not let Turner get some reps or something you know? I'm sure I wouldn't be saying this if LT was on my fantasy team though :lol , but you get where I'm coming from right? When I watch SD games, it just appears as though Marty is more concerned with LTs stats then he is with winning the game.

Maybe that has something to do with why every year they are the "best team to not make the playoffs"

Well, I've been lucky enough to have him the last two years. I had a great year this year (finished first with over 1400 points - the next closest team had just over 1000). I finished second last year but had the highest point total as well. My only problem is having the playoffs start so late. Some of my best players sit the last few weeks to rest. I finished in third last year after the playoffs because my team decided to take the semi-finals off. Since I have a bye this week, I'm actually rooting for Denver to beat SD this weekend so the Chargers have something to play for. I can't afford for LT to miss any games. :lol

As far as the use of LT, I agree that in games when SD was ahead by a wide margin it would have been wise for Schottenheimer to get him some rest. But, like I said, the only game he did that this year was against SF. The only other blowout SD had was against TEN and Schottenheimer did replace him. All the other games they've needed LT's production. I couldn't imagine not using him when the game is close. I guess I just assumed that you meant Schottenheimer was giving him extra carries (around the 30-35 range) so that maybe he could break one, or two in LT's case. :lol

[41ravens]

NFC
1. z- Chicago 10 2 0 .833
2. New Orleans 8 4 0 .667
3. Dallas 8 4 0 .667
4. Seattle 8 4 0 .667
5. NY Giants 6 6 0 .500
6. Philadelphia 6 6 0 .500
----------------------
Atlanta 6 6 0 .500
Carolina 6 6 0 .500
San Francisco 5 7 0 .417
St. Louis 5 7 0 .417
Minnesota 5 7 0 .417

AFC
1. Indianapolis 10 2 0
2. San Diego 10 2 0
3. Baltimore 9 3 0
4. New England 9 3 0
6. Cincinnati 7 5 0
6. N.Y. Jets 7 5 0
------------------------
Jacksonville 7 5 0
Kansas City 7 5 0
Denver 7 5 0


Who makes the playoffs?

switch carolina and philly. the rest are my playoff teams.

[SoRight24]

I don't see why the Panthers arent winning?

They have everything you need to be a winning team. Maybe its time for Jake to go?

Not that I care about the Panthers, but I thought they were supposed to be money.

[Tiduwho]

We want Weinke!

[Tiduwho]

How long is Tommie Harris out?

Could be done for the year ESPN just said. Has a hamstring problem as well. :(

[BotheDMBFan]

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ascf33]

Looking more and more like Weinke for Carolina....

[Trippin4136]

which is a lucky break for the Giants, but they could still crap the sheets. I have no real faith in this team right now.

[Ascf33]

Steve Smith and Keyshawn are going to do a number on our secondary, regardless of who is throwing the ball to them.

[41ravens]

the colts look like absolute ass right now. at least their run d is getting better...

[emu513]

Maurice Jones-Drew should win the Rookie of the Year award. He has been the best rookie this year and I don't think it's been very close. He isn't getting nearly the respect he deserves. If he wasn't 5'7", he would have been a top 10 pick and is making a lot of teams look silly for not giving him a chance. He is currently tearing the Colts to shreds.

Before today v. the Colts (in which he has three TD's already) his stats looked like this (while splitting time with Fred Taylor mind you) . . .

95 Rushes 500 Yards 7 TD
32 Rec 317 Yards 2 TD
23 Kick Returns 580 Yards

1400 All-Purpose Yards, 9 TD's and he is currently annihilating the Colts.

[emu513]

10:53 left in the third quarter and Drew's stat line looks like this . . .

11 rushes 149 yards 2 TD
2 kickoff returns 109 yards 1 TD

[saygdbye4134]

looks like new england and indianapolis are going to be adding one to the loss column today.

damn, baltimore looks like the read deal. they are quite the quiet threat this year.

[UNC41]

Jacksonville is averaging 9.6 yards per rush. Wow.

[41ravens]

i had a feeling new england would lose, but shut out? damn.

[saygdbye4134]

dear tom brady,


you put up zero (0) points against the Dolphins. ha ha ha.

sincerely,

the critics

[UNC41]

Jags stomp Colts ... whoop de doo
Giants beat Carolina ... Yawn
Miami shutsout New England ... Ladies and gentlemen, there's your story of the day :bounce :bounce :bounce

[41ravens]

Jags stomp Colts ... whoop de doo
Giants beat Carolina ... Yawn
Miami shutsout New England ... Ladies and gentlemen, there's your story of the day :bounce :bounce :bounce

yeah, the first two were pretty much a given. i didn't know the jags would embarass them, but figured they would win. nice win for miami, though.

[41ravens]

4 hours and 10 minutes till kickoff.

[emu513]

damn, baltimore looks like the read deal. they are quite the quiet threat this year.

They'll make the playoffs but they won't make it much farther than that.

[DMBfan41]

dear god thank you, the giants won!!

Now, let's go Saints!

[SoRight24]

Hell yes! The Pats lose to Miami!

If the Jets beat the Bills today, we're sitting pretty!

[UNC41]

Chargers - 14
Broncos - 0
LaDanian - 0

I'm amazed San Diego has scored two touchdowns without LT getting one.

[CBurton27]

Thank God for that!!

I love LT but I'm playing against him in the Playoffs this week

[CBurton27]

And There It Is!!!! :BANG


1 yard TD for LT
21-3

[41ravens]

cardinals looking good against the hawks right now. that would be huge if they could pull that off.

[CBurton27]

no doubt! I'm suprised at that one.

[41ravens]

i'm really glad that the only game on in my area right now is san diego/denver. what an awesome game. :thumbsdow

[SoRight24]

The fucking Bills????

Son of a bitch, we have a chance to be in good position for a playoff spot, and they lose to the fucking Bills.

[newscane]

The Jags game was amazing today. Jones-Drew with 300+ all-purpose yards -- franchise record. 375 total team rushing yards, 2nd most in NFL history. 2 100+ yard rushers in a game -- first time in team history. Not a bad day at all...

And for those of you who are interested in figuring out who is seeing what game each week, this is a pretty good site:
http://gribblenation.net/nflmaps/

[Bartender84]

So much for this season. Hawks aren't winning anything with this defense.

We need to get some major help in the offseason on defense. And fire John Marshall, awful defensive coordinator.

[jimibadfish]

Go SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[DMBfireDncr41]

My colts WHAT IS HAPPENING?

[Tiduwho]

My colts WHAT IS HAPPENING?


They're chicken littling.

[newscane]

My colts WHAT IS HAPPENING?
Apparently, they can't tackle...

[DMBfireDncr41]

In a strange way, as long as they get home field advantage i am happy they arent doing good right now...i dont want them going into the playoffs thinking it will be a cake walk. Maybe now they will come ready to play

[xBigNastyx]

dear tom brady,


you put up zero (0) points against the Dolphins. ha ha ha.

sincerely,

the critics


And you know what's worse? Is that Rex Grossman put up "zero (0) points" against the Vikings who are a worse team than Miami.

"ha ha ha"

[xBigNastyx]

Hell yes! The Pats lose to Miami!

If the Jets beat the Bills today, we're sitting pretty!

Bruins, Celtics, Sox, and JETS fan?


What. The. Fuck.

Something is wrong there.

[dmbmuskie]

Indy is facing regular season on field adversity for the first time in a long time. I think it'll make them a better team in Janurary.

San Diego is overusing LT. If the game is over, there is no reason for him to be in there carrying the ball.

The Pats have no one who can make a play on offense. They're lucky they play in the AFC East.

[RJ2kWJ]

Saints to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl? Holy Shit.

I don't see why not.

Sure as hell isn't gonna be Chicago with a QB like Rex.

[dmbmuskie]

I really think the Saints are on the cusp of something great. I don't think they have the grunts to make it to the top this year. They need help in the trenches on both sides. They're a lot like the Colts, without Manning's crippling contract, so they can make the changes they need to make it over the hump.

[luke7]

I was hoping the Saints would beat the Cowboys but I didn't think it would be a blow out ! I'm glad because ESPN is killing me with the Romo & T.O. coverage.

[jimibadfish]

Indy is facing regular season on field adversity for the first time in a long time. I think it'll make them a better team in Janurary.



I don't see how every team in the league running it up the gut against them for 5+ plus yards a carry is going to help them at all. Their defense has been completly exposed.

I was wanting to see a Colts-Saints Super Bowl too.

[dmbmuskie]

I don't see how every team in the league running it up the gut against them for 5+ plus yards a carry is going to help them at all. Their defense has been completly exposed.

I was wanting to see a Colts-Saints Super Bowl too.

I'm not saying it's going to make them a better team, but they've sucked on defense for a long time without it showing up in the loss column. They have to try something to fix it in the next few weeks to try to fix it, because they are losing. It cannot get any worse than allowing 8.9 yards per carry.

That would be a hell of a game, but I cannot see any of those teams making it right now. I'd give the Saints a better chance becuase they play in the inferior conference.

[jimibadfish]

I'm not saying it's going to make them a better team, but they've sucked on defense for a long time without it showing up in the loss column. They have to try something to fix it in the next few weeks to try to fix it, because they are losing. It cannot get any worse than allowing 8.9 yards per carry.

That would be a hell of a game, but I cannot see any of those teams making it right now. I'd give the Saints a better chance becuase they play in the inferior conference.

Their pass defense is not too bad, but teams don't throw much against them because they know they can run it pretty much at will. I hate to see them losing. They've been my AFC squad since the Harbaugh/Faulk days.

The way the Saints are clicking right now, I'm picking 'em to go. But they are the Saints and who knows what they will pull in the playoffs to make me go :BANG .

[xBigNastyx]

I'm not saying it's going to make them a better team, but they've sucked on defense for a long time without it showing up in the loss column. They have to try something to fix it in the next few weeks to try to fix it, because they are losing. It cannot get any worse than allowing 8.9 yards per carry.

That would be a hell of a game, but I cannot see any of those teams making it right now. I'd give the Saints a better chance becuase they play in the inferior conference.

Actually you DID say it would make them a better team.


And what you said about the Patriots not having anyone on offense completely discredits your opinion to me, cause that is a ridiculous statement after one bad game. You are just like the media. You completely jump on and off of bandwagons week to week.

Ridiculous.

[xBigNastyx]

I loved seeing the Cowboys and "wonderboy" Romo lose tonight.


Yes I know my Patriots lost. So no need to point it out, since I did it for you.

[luke7]

Drew Brees throws for 384 yards and 5TD's and all ESPN can do is paste Romo's crappy numbers on the screen for the majority of the post game coverage.

[xBigNastyx]

Drew Brees throws for 384 yards and 5TD's and all ESPN can do is paste Romo's crappy numbers on the screen for the majority of the post game coverage.

Exactly. The media WRONGFULLY sucks him off. I can't stand it. He is good, and will be a good QB don't get me wrong. But right now he is SO INSANELY OVERRATED, it is unbelievable.

[devilandthelord]

Not only did Brees have 384 yards and 5 TDs, he completed passes to 10 different receivers.
10 Different receivers!!!

[Tiduwho]

Exactly. The media WRONGFULLY sucks him off. I can't stand it. He is good, and will be a good QB don't get me wrong. But right now he is SO INSANELY OVERRATED, it is unbelievable.


Not to mention, now that they just got completely blown out, they're doing a special on TO (like every week).


Brees should be getting sucked off right now, and all they talk about is the wild card situation with the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles.

[xBigNastyx]

Not to mention, now that they just got completely blown out, they're doing a special on TO (like every week).


Brees should be getting sucked off right now, and all they talk about is the wild card situation with the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles.

Right on.

:thumbsup

[BotheDMBFan]

And you know what's worse? Is that Rex Grossman put up "zero (0) points" against the Vikings who are a worse team than Miami.

"ha ha ha"

Yeah......but we did win.

Anyways, this was a wild ass week in the NFL.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tony Romo is nothing but a guy with a decent arm, a little mobility, and throws flatter than a pancake.

[xBigNastyx]

Tony Romo is nothing but a guy with a decent arm, a little mobility, and throws flatter than a pancake.

Finally, someone agrees with me. I guess he had to have a bad week for people to see it my way. :rolleyes

[BotheDMBFan]

Finally, someone agrees with me. I guess he had to have a bad week for people to see it my way. :rolleyes
I've been thinking/saying this for weeks.

[Bartender84]

I'm really hoping for a SD/NO Super Bowl if Seattle doesn't make it. Brees going up against his former team, it would be a shootout.

[BotheDMBFan]

I hate the Saints for the same reason everone "sympathised" with them, and I can't stand the Chargers, so if that were to happen, I might have to take a nap instead of watch the game.

[SoRight24]

Bruins, Celtics, Sox, and JETS fan?


What. The. Fuck.

Something is wrong there.

I know.

[Trippin4136]

Giants got a sorely needed win v. Carolina yesterday and the Cowboys get chumped by the Saints.

Eli didn't play that great, but didn't turn the ball over and found guys when he needed to and the defense was effective. Granted the game could've been different if Chris Wienke wasn't playing, but those are the breaks.

And Kevin Dockery is the worst CB I think I've ever seen.

Now it's all about getting those scum birds at home next Sunday.

As for the Cowboys, I mean, that was a thorough ass kicking. Drew Brees, Reggie Bush & Co. just wiped them up and down the field. How can you guard against a screen pass that turns into 40+ yard plays and how can you defend against Drew Brees dropping the ball in his WRs hands on a 40 yard pass? That was damn impressive last night and the 'Boys finally got their much needed kick to the jaw.

Cowboys better watch out, a hiccup v. the Falcons next weekend and they are no longer in 1st place.

[Trippin4136]

1. San Diego
2. Baltimore
3. New Orleans/Chicago
5. Indianapolis

Although, its getting harder and harder to keep both Chicago and Indy in the top 5. But with the Pats, Cowboys and Seahawks all suffering ugly losses who goes in the top 5? Cincinnati? Jacksonville? This week's top 5 is an interesting one. Really, only the top 2 or 3 are locks.

[SteelerMan]

I hate the Saints for the same reason everone "sympathised" with them

Everyone sympathized with them because of the hurricane and the fact that they were playing "home games" in New York... so you hate them for that? :confused

[Trippin4136]

I hate the Saints for the same reason everone "sympathised" with them, and I can't stand the Chargers, so if that were to happen, I might have to take a nap instead of watch the game.

you can't stand them b/c people have made a feel good story for them after their city was destroyed, their home stadium became a den of death, chaos and filth and the played entire season on the road? Less we not forget that this franchise has also been the laughing stock of the league (along with the Lions) for the past 25 years.

[UNC41]

I loved seeing the Cowboys and "wonderboy" Romo lose tonight.


Yes I know my Patriots lost. So no need to point it out, since I did it for you.

As a Dolphins fan, I'm going to point it out. :lol

Not only did the Pats lose, but they got shut out. Brady struggled, Harrington outplayed him, Morris ran all over New England and the Miami defese kept a goose egg on the scoreboard. I love it.

[Trippin4136]

It certainly was impressive on Miami's part. Miami always proves tough for the Patriots and yesterday hammered (literally) that point home. 78 yards for Brady? Ouch.

[UNC41]

It certainly was impressive on Miami's part. Miami always proves tough for the Patriots and yesterday hammered (literally) that point home. 78 yards for Brady? Ouch.

I really like Saban, but he needs to get together a team that comes out of the gate better next year. The past six games this year and the six to close out last season have proven Miami has what it takes to be a playoff team. They just need to not take a dump at the beginning of the year.

[Trippin4136]

yes the beginning of the year has killed the Dolphins the last 2 seasons.

I also got to say, I don't see a big rush for Daunte Culpepper to come back next year..

[UNC41]

That was Donkey's problem at the beginning of this year. He wasn't playing horrible as a QB, but came back from his knee injury too early and had zero mobility in the pocket. That killed Miami as their line was struggling too at the time and it was a free for all on Culpepper. People will write him off completely, but if he waits for the knee to heal I think Daunte will be just fine. I do, however, wish they would have gone after Brees. Ohh well.

[saygdbye4134]

first off, how does weinke put up over 400 yards against the giants and gets a loss? that's astounding.

saints kneeling the ball with over 3 minutes left, ya gotta love that.

LT. MVP.

Ravens. quiet threat.

patriots. :lol

[Trippin4136]

first off, how does weinke put up over 400 yards against the giants and gets a loss? that's astounding.



b/c they ran the ball w/ a RB or FB all of 12 times in the game. Weinke threw the ball 61 times and the Giants secondary is pathetic.

[saygdbye4134]

61 times?


holy shit. i didn't even see that.

[UNC41]

first off, how does weinke put up over 400 yards against the giants and gets a loss? that's astounding.
saints kneeling the ball with over 3 minutes left, ya gotta love that.

LT. MVP.

Ravens. quiet threat.

patriots. :lol

Brees did that earlier this year. I can't remember who against.

[SteelerMan]

Brees did that earlier this year. I can't remember who against.

The World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, that's who. :D

[twosteppinpun]

And Kevin Dockery is the worst CB I think I've ever seen.
Apparently you've never seen Sammy Davis in action. I can tell you he is the worst.

[UNC41]

The World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, that's who. :D

I just looked it up. He threw for 510 in a loss to the Bengals. In the Saints other three losses he threw for 398 (Pittsburgh), 383 (Baltimore) and 349 (Carolina).

[HolyCow]

Drew Brees = NFL MVP

What a player.

And I always wanted to say what a joke the single season touchdown record is. It isn't special at all. Maybe the worst record in all of sports.

[Tiduwho]

1. San Diego
2. Baltimore
3. New Orleans/Chicago
5. Indianapolis

Although, its getting harder and harder to keep both Chicago and Indy in the top 5. But with the Pats, Cowboys and Seahawks all suffering ugly losses who goes in the top 5? Cincinnati? Jacksonville? This week's top 5 is an interesting one. Really, only the top 2 or 3 are locks.

Well they did just blow Indy out by a comical margin yesterday...if only they had what it took to take down a real powerhouse like the Texans.

[Trippin4136]

oh i could easily have put Jacksonville in my top 5. I guess I'm not totally giving up on the Colts but good lord their entire defense should be embarrassed. Year in, year out they just flat out stink versus the run.

[Tiduwho]

For the record, I have nothing against the Chargers at all and would like to see them in the Super Bowl if Indy isn't there.


And I love the New Orleans story now. At the beginning of the year it seemed more like a Sympathy Story and coverage solely because of that which was okay, but NOW they are actually good. Real good. I mean, they've been a joke since day 1 in the NFL and all it took was Drew Brees and some great draft picks in Colston and Reggie Bush and all of the sudden they are a powerhouse.


If LT wasn't charging up Mount Olympus this year, Drew Brees would be the MVP.

[GOB_]

Drew Brees = NFL MVP

What a player.

And I always wanted to say what a joke the single season touchdown record is. It isn't special at all. Maybe the worst record in all of sports.

:ugh

Brees is certainly a worthy candidate but my vote goes to LT. He does more than just score touchdowns...he throws them too. :)

[UNC41]

:ugh

Brees is certainly a worthy candidate but my vote goes to LT. He does more than just score touchdowns...he throws them too. :)

Strong arguments can easily be made for each player.

[Trippin4136]

they may be headings towards a Co-MVP award

[GOB_]

Strong arguments can easily be made for each player.

I know. My ":ugh" was in response to Royce's comment that the single season touchdown record "isn't special at all" and "maybe the worst record in all of sports."

[HolyCow]

I know. My ":ugh" was in response to Royce's comment that the single season touchdown record "isn't special at all" and "maybe the worst record in all of sports."
It is though.

I mean since Emmitt Smith broke it, it has been broken what, 4 times? (Faulk, Holmes, Alexander, LT).

It just isn't a very special record, IMO.

[Tiduwho]

LT has a chance to put it out of reach as long as he plays each game.

[GOB_]

It is though.

I mean since Emmitt Smith broke it, it has been broken what, 4 times? (Faulk, Holmes, Alexander, LT).

It just isn't a very special record, IMO.

I could understand if the record had been broken by a player such as Brandon Jacobs (short yardage guys). But LT, like all the other backs you mentioned, is the featured back and did it in 13 games.

[clayj41]

1. Chargers
2. Ravens
3. Saints
4. Bears (pending tonight's game)
5. Colts
6. Bengals
7. Jaguars
8. Patriots
9. Cowboys
10. Seahawks

[Bartndrpleez]

Christmas and Hannukah came early yesterday...

Fins 21 Pats 0
Jags 44 Colts 17

:D:D:D

[HolyCow]

LT has a chance to put it out of reach as long as he plays each game.
That's what i was telling my roommate last night. If LT can put it at 35 or so, it may stand for a while and make it a solid record.

[dmbmuskie]

Actually you DID say it would make them a better team.


And what you said about the Patriots not having anyone on offense completely discredits your opinion to me, cause that is a ridiculous statement after one bad game. You are just like the media. You completely jump on and off of bandwagons week to week.

Ridiculous.

Actually, I've been saying that all along. Maybe not in here, but in the Colts thread I know I have told them that adversity will make them more battled hardened in January. I still think the Colts are one of the favorites. You totally misssed the context of what I said.


I don't know how many times I've said the Pats don't have any offensive talent. They're very poorly managed at this point. There is no excuse for a contender to be 12 million dollars under the cap especially when they have 0 talent at wide reciever.

The only bandwagon I have jumped on all year is the Ravens. You just seem to assign every other opinion to me make me sound like an asshole.

[dmbmuskie]

Brees has to be the MVP. LT is a great back, but he hasn't had the impact on the Chargers that Brees has had on the Saints. Right now LT is the offensive player of the year, but Brees is the MVP.

[Designer43]

Christmas and Hannukah came early yesterday...

Fins 21 Pats 0

:D:D:D

:thumbsup :D :thumbsup

[Trippin4136]

Brees has to be the MVP. LT is a great back, but he hasn't had the impact on the Chargers that Brees has had on the Saints. Right now LT is the offensive player of the year, but Brees is the MVP.

I agree with this

[HolyCow]

Brees has to be the MVP. LT is a great back, but he hasn't had the impact on the Chargers that Brees has had on the Saints. Right now LT is the offensive player of the year, but Brees is the MVP.:thumbsup
Exactly how I feel.

I mean the Saints were the second worst team in the NFL last year and now they are the NFC #2. Amazing.

[xBigNastyx]

As a Dolphins fan, I'm going to point it out. :lol

Not only did the Pats lose, but they got shut out. Brady struggled, Harrington outplayed him, Morris ran all over New England and the Miami defese kept a goose egg on the scoreboard. I love it.

Cool.

The thing is, one of those teams will be playing in the playoffs, and guess what, that team's QB isn't Joey Harrington.

[xBigNastyx]

The World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, that's who. :D


Nope.

It was Cincy. He threw for 398 yds against Pitts, not 400.

He threw for over 500 yds against Cincy and lost the game.

[xBigNastyx]

Another thing.

I love how people around here jump on and off of bandwagons so quickly.

There was a huge bandwagon for Chicago at hte beginning, tons of you have jumped off that one. And there was a Colts one, who people are jumping off of. And now people are jumping on New Orleans and Dallas, etc.

So lame.

[xBigNastyx]

Another thing.

I love how people around here jump on and off of bandwagons so quickly.

There was a huge bandwagon for Chicago at hte beginning, tons of you have jumped off that one. And there was a Colts one, who people are jumping off of. And now people are jumping on New Orleans and Dallas, etc.

So lame.

[xBigNastyx]

For the record, I have nothing against the Chargers at all and would like to see them in the Super Bowl if Indy isn't there.


And I love the New Orleans story now. At the beginning of the year it seemed more like a Sympathy Story and coverage solely because of that which was okay, but NOW they are actually good. Real good. I mean, they've been a joke since day 1 in the NFL and all it took was Drew Brees and some great draft picks in Colston and Reggie Bush and all of the sudden they are a powerhouse.


If LT wasn't charging up Mount Olympus this year, Drew Brees would be the MVP.
So you only love hearing about them when they are playing well huh? Wow way to completely be a bandwagon fan man.

[xBigNastyx]

1. Chargers
2. Ravens
3. Saints
4. Bears (pending tonight's game)
5. Colts
6. Bengals
7. Jaguars
8. Patriots
9. Cowboys
10. Seahawks

This is so funny. After one bad game people move the Pats from 3-4 to 8. And the Jags ahead of them? :lol The Patriots will be around longer in the playoffs than Jax will. But I guess I've come to expect this from you bandwagoners.

Watch the Pats will win the rest of their games you idiots will put them back in their top 4. And Jax will lose half of their games and you people won't even consider them for top 10. And you people didn't even consider the Saints that high. Watch them lose a couple, and then you write them off completely.

You guys go back and forth WAAAYY too much.

How come you guys have the Cowboys at number 9, when like 3 days ago you guys had them as your 5th best team? :lol :lol :lol

[Trippin4136]

of course people's opinions change week to week, that's what happens in the NFL when everything changes that quickly. The NFL is a week to week sport so it should be no surprise that's how fast public perception can change.

[SteelerMan]

Wow... I'm suddenly reminded of why I never come to this thread.

[Tak_a_Tak]

Wow... I'm suddenly reminded of why I never come to this thread.

Funny, I just had the same thought.

[UNC41]

Cool.

The thing is, one of those teams will be playing in the playoffs, and guess what, that team's QB isn't Joey Harrington.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Now it's my turn. New England's defense isn't good enough to make up for the glaring lack of offensive weapons surrounding Tom Brady to make it a Super Bowl caliber team.

[xBigNastyx]

Thanks for stating the obvious. Now it's my turn. New England's defense isn't good enough to make up for the glaring lack of offensive weapons surrounding Tom Brady to make it a Super Bowl caliber team.


Yeah especially since they have a top 5 rated rush defense....They had a bad game, get over it. I am a diehard Pats fan and I am getting over it, so why can't you? They have one bad game and are cast out of your precious top tens. It's laughable.

See you in the playoffs...Whoops nevermind I forgot I won't.


You guys are such flip flops it's AMAZING. Watch the Pats win the rest of their games and you people will be back on the bandwagon. Better yet, watch the Rams win tonight, and then you guys will be thinking of putting them in your top 5. You guys need to form your opinions and stick to them, stop changing them daily. You guys were sucking off the Cowboys DAYS ago, not you all have them on the backburner. They will beat ATL on saturday, Romo will look pretty good, and you guys will be sucking him off yet again. It's sad and lame that you can't make up your minds.

[UNC41]

This is so funny. After one bad game people move the Pats from 3-4 to 8. And the Jags ahead of them? :lol The Patriots will be around longer in the playoffs than Jax will. But I guess I've come to expect this from you bandwagoners.

Watch the Pats will win the rest of their games you idiots will put them back in their top 4. And Jax will lose half of their games and you people won't even consider them for top 10. And you people didn't even consider the Saints that high. Watch them lose a couple, and then you write them off completely.

You guys go back and forth WAAAYY too much.

How come you guys have the Cowboys at number 9, when like 3 days ago you guys had them as your 5th best team? :lol :lol :lol

Why oh why would people think the Jags are better than the Pats? Maybe it's because ...
- Jacksonville is 5-2 since Gerrard became the starter. He's a much better fit in that offense than Leftwich.
- New England is 4-3 over that same time span, including 0-3 against AFC opponents. Their only wins have come against all four teams in the NFC North. Their only good team they beat in that stretch is the Bears, and both teams looked extremely unimpressive that game.
- New England was dominated by the Dolphins in Miami yesterday. Jacksonville went into that same stadium and clearly outplayed Miami just one week ago.

So, remind me again why it is a fact that New England will go farther than Jacksonville in the playoffs?

[clayj41]

How come you guys have the Cowboys at number 9, when like 3 days ago you guys had them as your 5th best team? :lol :lol :lol

Things change on a weekly basis that's how.

[clayj41]

In addition, my lists are essentially power rankings combined with how good I think a team is. Do I necessarily think that teams such as the Jags and Bengals are better than the Pats? Not really, it's just that they played better this week and with the case of the Bengals, they've been performing well for several weeks now. They are WEEKLY rankings!

[xBigNastyx]

Things change on a weekly basis that's how.


Not to this extent. I still maintain a similar top 5 as I did weeks ago, and it is pretty accurate.

I don't freak out when the Saints win a game and leap them into my top 3 for a week.. Watch them lose next week and you guys will take them right out of your top picks. The difference is, I never put them in my top after one game. So it saves me the trouble of having to take them out the next week. Things do NOT change as weekly as you guys think they do. 2 weeks ago, the Pats are looked at as one of the top 3 teams, and they lose one game to Miami and now they fall out of those same people's top ten? They'll dominate Houston next week and you guys will then go back to having them top. It is lame. Teams don't get rated as one of the best and then one game later, go on the backburner, that is ridiculous.

[seekupig]

You guys need to form your opinions and stick to them, stop changing them daily.

if the way a team is playing changes from week to week, why shouldn't people's perception of those teams change the same way?

[UNC41]

Yeah especially since they have a top 5 rated rush defense....They had a bad game, get over it. I am a diehard Pats fan and I am getting over it, so why can't you? They have one bad game and are cast out of your precious top tens. It's laughable.

See you in the playoffs...Whoops nevermind I forgot I won't.


You guys are such flip flops it's AMAZING. Watch the Pats win the rest of their games and you people will be back on the bandwagon. Better yet, watch the Rams win tonight, and then you guys will be thinking of putting them in your top 5. You guys need to form your opinions and stick to them, stop changing them daily. You guys were sucking off the Cowboys DAYS ago, not you all have them on the backburner. They will beat ATL on saturday, Romo will look pretty good, and you guys will be sucking him off yet again. It's sad and lame that you can't make up your minds.

1. Jacksonville has a top 5 rush defense too. But you have stated it is a fact that New England will go farther than the Jags in the playoffs.
2. Show me where I posted a top 10 without the Pats in it after yesterday's loss.
3. You've already played the playoff card once. I understand it's all you've got. I'm aware of it and it does nothing to strenghen your argument or the fact that New England got pwned yesterday.
4. You act like it's one bad game. You claim you are over it. What you don't do, however, is acknowledge that New England hasn't beaten an AFC team since Week 7. But for a Pats fan who refuses to speak ill against them, I'm sure that is no big deal.
5. I stated the Pats were looking like one of the best teams in football one night, after the Minnesota game. I simply jumped to a conclusion after watching an impressive performance while boozing during MNF.
6. Find where I "suckoff the Cowboys." It simply hasn't happened. I haven't been on the Romo bandwagon, nor the Dallas one. I think they'd be a team fighting for a Wild Card spot if they played in the AFC. Thanks for trying and making up information in order to prove your point.

[Trippin4136]

You're right. Because everyone's top 5 or 10 has changed on a week to week basis, everyone's opinion is uninformed as dogshit and yours is all knowing...

EDIT: and for the record, the Pats haven't just played "one bad game". They've looked AWFUL for up to a month now. They squeaked by Detroit last week despite 5 turnovers and this week they finally got in the mouth by a team that knows how to beat them on their own field.

Prior to Detroit, they edged Chicago, despite another 4 or 5 turnovers thanks to the Bears having an absolutely idiot behind center.

Before that, ok they waxed GB 35-0, but that isn't saying much considering GB's failure of a secondary and mediocre offense and Favre left the game.

And before that, they got beaten by the Jets, at home and before that lost to the Colts, at home. There is an argument that they haven't even looked remotely like a playoff team since they beat Minnesota which was 6 weeks ago.

Now, you will probably say something along the lines of "i'm just intentionally bashing the Pats" which that is not true in this case. The Patriots have simply NOT been playing good football and it's showing. Luckily, they've managed to skirt out some wins while playing like crap v. 3 consecutive NFC North teams.

This is a team, that right now, if they had to play Jacksonville or Cincinnati in the first round, I don't would beat either of them.

[seekupig]

i'll go ahead now and predict the Pats losing in the first round to whichever wild card team they're matched up against.

[Trippin4136]

I don't think*

[xBigNastyx]

You're right. Because everyone's top 5 or 10 has changed on a week to week basis, everyone's opinion is uninformed as dogshit and yours is all knowing...

EDIT: and for the record, the Pats haven't just played "one bad game". They've looked AWFUL for up to a month now. They squeaked by Detroit last week despite 5 turnovers and this week they finally got in the mouth by a team that knows how to beat them on their own field.

Prior to Detroit, they edged Chicago, despite another 4 or 5 turnovers thanks to the Bears having an absolutely idiot behind center.

Before that, ok they waxed GB 35-0, but that isn't saying much considering GB's failure of a secondary and mediocre offense and Favre left the game.

And before that, they got beaten by the Jets, at home and before that lost to the Colts, at home. There is an argument that they haven't even looked remotely like a playoff team since they beat Minnesota which was 6 weeks ago.

Now, you will probably say something along the lines of "i'm just intentionally bashing the Pats" which that is not true in this case. The Patriots have simply NOT been playing good football and it's showing. Luckily, they've managed to skirt out some wins while playing like crap v. 3 consecutive NFC North teams.

This is a team, that right now, if they had to play Jacksonville or Cincinnati in the first round, I don't would beat either of them.

Please show me where I said the PAts played only one bad game. I said they played one bad game since they were put in everyone's top 3-4 teams.. And since people did that 4 days ago, I would say yes one bad game since then, since they have only played one game since then. Nice try.

And if these are just weekly rankings not based on the rest of the season, why isn't Arizona in there? They looked fantastic against the Hawks. And the Colts shouldn't be in the top 5 either if it is just based on yesterday.

[xBigNastyx]

You're right. Because everyone's top 5 or 10 has changed on a week to week basis, everyone's opinion is uninformed as dogshit and yours is all knowing...

EDIT: and for the record, the Pats haven't just played "one bad game". They've looked AWFUL for up to a month now. They squeaked by Detroit last week despite 5 turnovers and this week they finally got in the mouth by a team that knows how to beat them on their own field.

Prior to Detroit, they edged Chicago, despite another 4 or 5 turnovers thanks to the Bears having an absolutely idiot behind center.

Before that, ok they waxed GB 35-0, but that isn't saying much considering GB's failure of a secondary and mediocre offense and Favre left the game.

And before that, they got beaten by the Jets, at home and before that lost to the Colts, at home. There is an argument that they haven't even looked remotely like a playoff team since they beat Minnesota which was 6 weeks ago.

Now, you will probably say something along the lines of "i'm just intentionally bashing the Pats" which that is not true in this case. The Patriots have simply NOT been playing good football and it's showing. Luckily, they've managed to skirt out some wins while playing like crap v. 3 consecutive NFC North teams.

This is a team, that right now, if they had to play Jacksonville or Cincinnati in the first round, I don't would beat either of them.

I wasn't even really talking about the Pats. I used them as an example of how you guys flip flop. And you do. I didn't say they were the best team in the NFL. But teams shouldn't be rated as the 3rd or 4th best team and then 3 days later be rated as number 9 or 10. That is completely unrealistic. Either you are an idiot for ranking them number 4, or a dumbass for making them fall so hard to number 9. Teams ability on the season do NOT change that much on a week to week basis.

[xBigNastyx]

1. Jacksonville has a top 5 rush defense too. But you have stated it is a fact that New England will go farther than the Jags in the playoffs.
2. Show me where I posted a top 10 without the Pats in it after yesterday's loss.
3. You've already played the playoff card once. I understand it's all you've got. I'm aware of it and it does nothing to strenghen your argument or the fact that New England got pwned yesterday.
4. You act like it's one bad game. You claim you are over it. What you don't do, however, is acknowledge that New England hasn't beaten an AFC team since Week 7. But for a Pats fan who refuses to speak ill against them, I'm sure that is no big deal.
5. I stated the Pats were looking like one of the best teams in football one night, after the Minnesota game. I simply jumped to a conclusion after watching an impressive performance while boozing during MNF.
6. Find where I "suckoff the Cowboys." It simply hasn't happened. I haven't been on the Romo bandwagon, nor the Dallas one. I think they'd be a team fighting for a Wild Card spot if they played in the AFC. Thanks for trying and making up information in order to prove your point.

You did a clever job here of making everything up. Not once did I call YOu out and say YOU sucked off the Cowboys or did whatever. I continualy siad you guys, meaning you guys in general. That doesnt generally doesnt mean one person. Nice try. And I already said the PAts got owned yesterday, I believe I was the first to post that. So again, nice try. You just felt the need to pour salt on the wounds because your lame team finally looked pretty good.


Why is that I don't come in here after the Pats win against anyone and rub it in to anyone? Maybe I should do the same.

[xBigNastyx]

In addition, my lists are essentially power rankings combined with how good I think a team is. Do I necessarily think that teams such as the Jags and Bengals are better than the Pats? Not really, it's just that they played better this week and with the case of the Bengals, they've been performing well for several weeks now. They are WEEKLY rankings!

If you do them by who is good week to week, then the Cardinals should be ahead of the Colts because they played better this week. :rolleyes :rolleyes

For my power rankings, I look at the whole picture, not just one game. I guess I'm alone there. Maybe that's why my top 5 has stayed pretty consistent. And I don't put a team in it one week, and take them out the next and so forth the way you guys do.


Whatever though, I'm done my rant. Sorry if I offended anyone, I'm just getting very frustrated with the media and people who are flip flops. It's so irritating. It really has nothing to do with the Patriots, I just used them as an example. You guys will see what I mean if the Saints lose next week, and the media and you guys take them out of your top 8

[UCFish]

Another thing.

I love how people around here jump on and off of bandwagons so quickly.

There was a huge bandwagon for Chicago at hte beginning, tons of you have jumped off that one. And there was a Colts one, who people are jumping off of. And now people are jumping on New Orleans and Dallas, etc.

So lame.

Those are sad people. The real BEARS fans are always fans and don't waver. I think people watch too much ESPN.

[seekupig]

You did a clever job here of making everything up. Not once did I call YOu out and say YOU sucked off the Cowboys or did whatever. I continualy siad you guys, meaning you guys in general. That doesnt generally doesnt mean one person. Nice try.


you're a sneaky one. by using "you guys" in every post, you make it impossible for anyone to argue with you. nice work! :thumbsup :rolleyes

[Tiduwho]

Wow, someone sure has their panties in a bunch today...



And yeah, for some reason I think the better the team, the more coverage they should get. Does that not make perfect sense or something?

In relation to the Saints, what I was saying was "Wow, it is amazing that now New Orleans can be talked about as a Success story, instead of just because of sad reasons. They have a reason to be happy now."

[Tiduwho]

you're a sneaky one. by using "you guys" in every post, you make it impossible for anyone to argue with you. nice work! :thumbsup :rolleyes


Ding ding ding! Successfully deciphered.

[UCFish]

you're a sneaky one. by using "you guys" in every post, you make it impossible for anyone to argue with you. nice work! :thumbsup :rolleyes

:lol

[UNC41]

You did a clever job here of making everything up. Not once did I call YOu out and say YOU sucked off the Cowboys or did whatever. I continualy siad you guys, meaning you guys in general. That doesnt generally doesnt mean one person. Nice try. And I already said the PAts got owned yesterday, I believe I was the first to post that. So again, nice try. You just felt the need to pour salt on the wounds because your lame team finally looked pretty good.


Why is that I don't come in here after the Pats win against anyone and rub it in to anyone? Maybe I should do the same.

What did I make up? That the Jags are also a top 5 run defense? You still haven't explained why it's a fact the Pats will go farther in the playoffs than them. That the Pats have struggled lately? You say they just had one bad game, but they've looked impressive just once in the past six weeks. That the Pats haven't beaten an AFC team since Week 7? They haven't. As for the Cowboys thing, when you go on a big rant when quoting a post of mine, it implies that you are talking to me? Do you see why?

As for my "lame team" that "finally looked good." You do realize that Miami has been playing better football than New England for the past six weeks, right? You also make it sound like a crime to talk a little shit when your favorite team dominates the team in their division who has clearly been the best team in that divison for most of this decade. You get upset about that, yet also don't get it when I say you should be more thick skinned when it comes to sports discussions.

[Tiduwho]

We're now only 2 Bengal arrests away from double digits. Way to come through in the clutch Deltha O'Neal!

[41ravens]

there, is everyone happy? romo had his off-game, so now everyone will jump off the bandwagon. not me, personally, but the media will probably let it rest now. but now you have to listen to how the saints are going to win the super bowl.

really pathetic outing from the boys last night. we couldn't do a thing right. hell, it was only 17 because of some fluke touchdown. hopefully we can get our heads out of our asses and keep hold of the third spot, thanks to the cardinals.

[xBigNastyx]

What did I make up? That the Jags are also a top 5 run defense? You still haven't explained why it's a fact the Pats will go farther in the playoffs than them. That the Pats have struggled lately? You say they just had one bad game, but they've looked impressive just once in the past six weeks. That the Pats haven't beaten an AFC team since Week 7? They haven't. As for the Cowboys thing, when you go on a big rant when quoting a post of mine, it implies that you are talking to me? Do you see why?

As for my "lame team" that "finally looked good." You do realize that Miami has been playing better football than New England for the past six weeks, right? You also make it sound like a crime to talk a little shit when your favorite team dominates the team in their division who has clearly been the best team in that divison for most of this decade. You get upset about that, yet also don't get it when I say you should be more thick skinned when it comes to sports discussions.

You made up that I was directing everything towards you. Cause I wasn't

[jimibadfish]

1. Chargers
2. Saints (B^4Bu + 2M^2=LX)
3. Ravens
4. Bears
5. Jags
6. Indy (their weakness has been uncovered and will be exploited first round)
7. Pats
8. Cincy
9. Dallas
10. Seattle

[xBigNastyx]

you're a sneaky one. by using "you guys" in every post, you make it impossible for anyone to argue with you. nice work! :thumbsup :rolleyes


Nice try hotshot. I said "you guys" because I am talking to more than one person. Should I instead list all 5-6 of the screenames of people I was refering to? It was easier to just put "you guys". How does that make it impossible for anyone to refute what I say? Try again man.

[xBigNastyx]

1. Chargers
2. Saints (B^4Bu + 2M^2=LX)
3. Ravens
4. Bears
5. Jags
6. Indy (their weakness has been uncovered and will be exploited first round)
7. Pats
8. Cincy
9. Dallas
10. Seattle

See what I mean? After one great game against a good team, NO is moved into number 2? I don't buy it. And ok, if it is WEEKLY like some of you claim, then shouldn't Arizona be ahead of Seattle since they beat them THIS week? Very inconsistent. I'm not really refering to just you jimibadfish not that you will overreact and think I am like some people do, but I figured I would point it out. I am refering to people in general.

[clayj41]

If you do them by who is good week to week, then the Cardinals should be ahead of the Colts because they played better this week. :rolleyes :rolleyes

In addition, my lists are essentially power rankings combined with how good I think a team is.

I specifically made this statement in my first sentence, and I'll admit that I screwed up by what I said in that last sentence. However, I feel that someone would have to be pretty inflexible for there top 5 or even top 10 to never really change. Are you telling me that when the Giants started the season 6-2 you didn't have them in your rankings? There are so many factors that go into it and as Bryan pointed out, one of them is a team's actual performance during a game. Both the Saints and Jags beat other teams in my top 10 very impressively and thus they moved up. The Pats on the other hand not only lost to a team that wasn't ranked on my list, but they were shut out. Also, it sometimes takes a performance like this for me to realize that I may have overvalued a team in the first place. There are various factors that must be considered here. If I was ranking by just a team's weekly performance, the Pats would be near the bottom of the list rather than in my top 10.

[jimibadfish]

See what I mean? After one great game against a good team, NO is moved into number 2? I don't buy it. And ok, if it is WEEKLY like some of you claim, then shouldn't Arizona be ahead of Seattle since they beat them THIS week? Very inconsistent. I'm not really refering to just you jimibadfish not that you will overreact and think I am like some people do, but I figured I would point it out. I am refering to people in general.

This is the first time I've posted a top ten. I've had NO in my top 5 all year (they started 5-1). The pats have no receivers. Coaching and the D can only get you so far. Miami is my #11. They may win 12+ next year if they let Saban see out his vision. The Jags have impressed me all year. The Colts have been absolutely exposed, and it will kill them in the playoffs. The Bears D is good enough to let Grossman find himself. The Saints will kill them in the playoffs. The Ravens look a lot like the 2001 Ravens, but with a way better offense.

If you dislike my list fine, but I can give you reasons why it is how it is if you wish to ask specific questions.:)

[Tiduwho]

You want to talk about pressure? You've been playing terrible, the fans have been calling for your head, you are suddenly splitting time with the backup, and you are given one half to decide if you are still the man for the job. Oh yeah, and all in front of a national audience.


That's some serious weight on Rex's shoulders right now.

[Trippin4136]

Please show me where I said the PAts played only one bad game. I said they played one bad game since they were put in everyone's top 3-4 teams.. And since people did that 4 days ago, I would say yes one bad game since then, since they have only played one game since then. Nice try.



See, I don't care when people put them in their top 3 or 4. What I concern myself with is the quality of play that I see when watching football. Currently, when I watch the Patriots, I think they play like shit and have for a while. Even more than that, I was in Boston on business last Monday and the people on the radio up there thought the Pats played like crap.

So if you want me to go along with when people said what as the defense of your argument, that's just foolish and rather sad.

And an even larger, you get so overly worked up about a random population's thoughts on NFL teams. Who gives a shit man, people make their own smart, funny, odd rankings each week. It's not like these are official. Give it a rest.

[dmbhoosier21]

1. Chargers
2. Saints (B^4Bu + 2M^2=LX)
3. Ravens
4. Bears
5. Jags
6. Indy (their weakness has been uncovered and will be exploited first round)
7. Pats
8. Cincy
9. Dallas
10. Seattle

:lol That weakness has been "uncovered" and exploited all season - it just so happens that the "weakness" has actually gotten progressively worse as the season went on

:BANG it's hard to be an Indy fan right now

[UNC41]

You made up that I was directing everything towards you. Cause I wasn't

Like I said, when you quote someone it really implies that you are talking to them.

[twosteppinpun]

:BANG it's hard to be an Indy fan right now
Yeah, must be real tough with those 10 wins...:twak
And an MVP QB, one of the best rookie RB's, playoff berth, and umm, some guy named Marvin.
My pity is oozing.

[seekupig]

Nice try hotshot. I said "you guys" because I am talking to more than one person. Should I instead list all 5-6 of the screenames of people I was refering to? It was easier to just put "you guys". How does that make it impossible for anyone to refute what I say? Try again man.


at what point did your word become gospel and everyone else on this site become a bunch of no knowledge shitheads? i was simply pointing out that when you try to refute an argument with someone you use language and grammar to get yourself out of it. you make some very good points at times, but those are always overlooked by your blind following of the Pats and your ignorance to other opinoins. if you were a college basketball fan, you'd make a great Duke fan.:thumbsup :)

[Tiduwho]

Hester breaks the record!! :multi:bounce:multi


6 return TD's!

[clayj41]

Hester breaks the record!! :multi:bounce:multi


6 return TD's!

:thumbsup He never ceases to amaze me.

[xBigNastyx]

I specifically made this statement in my first sentence, and I'll admit that I screwed up by what I said in that last sentence. However, I feel that someone would have to be pretty inflexible for there top 5 or even top 10 to never really change. Are you telling me that when the Giants started the season 6-2 you didn't have them in your rankings? There are so many factors that go into it and as Bryan pointed out, one of them is a team's actual performance during a game. Both the Saints and Jags beat other teams in my top 10 very impressively and thus they moved up. The Pats on the other hand not only lost to a team that wasn't ranked on my list, but they were shut out. Also, it sometimes takes a performance like this for me to realize that I may have overvalued a team in the first place. There are various factors that must be considered here. If I was ranking by just a team's weekly performance, the Pats would be near the bottom of the list rather than in my top 10.


Well put. All of this I agree with. It's just the praising the Cowboys SO MUCH, and then dropping them after this one game to the Saints. And also with not considering the Saints for top ten, and then throwing them into top 3 after one game. That's what I don't get by the media. I think the media does this to keep things "interesting" and so they have stuff to talk about I guess.

I just get annoyed by the changing of minds so often, and going back and forth you know what I mean?


Again, I apologize for getting personal and being a jerk about it, I was just having a bad day, and I got frustrated talking about it, so hopefully everything will be cool.

[xBigNastyx]

at what point did your word become gospel and everyone else on this site become a bunch of no knowledge shitheads? i was simply pointing out that when you try to refute an argument with someone you use language and grammar to get yourself out of it. you make some very good points at times, but those are always overlooked by your blind following of the Pats and your ignorance to other opinoins. if you were a college basketball fan, you'd make a great Duke fan.:thumbsup :)

Not once did I discount anyone else's opinion. I just called out those who flip flop so much and stated that I disagree with it. Nothing AT ALL wrong with that. The only thing I did wrong was the way I went about saying it and I came off like a jerk, but there is nothing wrong with the things I pointed out. If you disagree with that, then that's not my problem :)

[clayj41]

Well put. All of this I agree with. It's just the praising the Cowboys SO MUCH, and then dropping them after this one game to the Saints. And also with not considering the Saints for top ten, and then throwing them into top 3 after one game. That's what I don't get by the media. I think the media does this to keep things "interesting" and so they have stuff to talk about I guess.

I just get annoyed by the changing of minds so often, and going back and forth you know what I mean?


Again, I apologize for getting personal and being a jerk about it, I was just having a bad day, and I got frustrated talking about it, so hopefully everything will be cool.

The whole situation with the Cowboys falls under what I consider an overvaluation on my part. I had the Saints at #6 or 7 last week I believe, so it's not as if they came out of nowhere to be ranked my third team....and don't worry about it man, no harm done.:)

[seekupig]

Not once did I discount anyone else's opinion. I just called out those who flip flop so much and stated that I disagree with it. Nothing AT ALL wrong with that. The only thing I did wrong was the way I went about saying it and I came off like a jerk, but there is nothing wrong with the things I pointed out. If you disagree with that, then that's not my problem :)


no problem, man. like i said, you make a lot of good points and stand by what you say and i respect that. as far as the flip flopping on polls go, i see both sides. i see why people move teams up and down so quickly from week to week when those teams seem to be matching up with each other and proving everyone wrong. i also see your point on "if a team was good yesterday, they're not that much worse today just because they lost." the thing that keeps me on the fence is that this seems to be the time of year when weaknesses are getting exposed the most. the Colts lack of a run defense, the Pats lack of WR's, the Chiefs lack of any time of consitency in the secondary, the Bears lack of a solid QB. all of these things have been known for quite some time, but it's taken this long in the season for teams to figure out how to expose it in a way that makes them look really bad. the only team of those examples i listed that's been able to overcome their glaring weakness is Chicago. part of that is their defense and special teams, the other part is playing in the far inferior NFC (the Chiefs of all teams are undefeated against the NFC this season, what more do you need?:lol ).

[clayj41]

Yeah, must be real tough with those 10 wins...:twak
And an MVP QB, one of the best rookie RB's, playoff berth, and umm, some guy named Marvin.
My pity is oozing.

:thumbsup I have no sympathy for Colts fans...

[BotheDMBFan]

Everyone sympathized with them because of the hurricane and the fact that they were playing "home games" in New York... so you hate them for that? :confused

Yes, yes I do.

That was a joke, and sympathised was the wrong word, but I actually cannot stand about 5 players on their team(Horn, Brees, Deuce, McKenzie, and Reggie Bush.) so yeah, I hate the Saints.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh, and now.....THE DREADED TOP 5!

1. Ravens
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Saints
5. Colts(though they did get bitchslapped by the Jags, whom I almost put there.....but that'd just be stupid.)

[xBigNastyx]

Yes, yes I do.

That was a joke, and sympathised was the wrong word, but I actually cannot stand about 5 players on their team(Horn, Brees, Deuce, McKenzie, and Reggie Bush.) so yeah, I hate the Saints.


I can understand not liking Horn or McKenzie, but Brees, Bush, and McAllister are good players who aren't assholes.

[xBigNastyx]

Oh, and now.....THE DREADED TOP 5!

1. Ravens
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Saints
5. Colts(though they did get bitchslapped by the Jags, whom I almost put there.....but that'd just be stupid.)

:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

I can understand not liking Horn or McKenzie, but Brees, Bush, and McAllister are good players who aren't assholes.

You have no idea my distain for USC and Reggie Bush.

I had to watch the Chargers all the damn time after I moved out to Vegas/Palm Springs.

McAllister has always rubbed me the wrong way......not really sure why.

[Tiduwho]

Oh, and now.....THE DREADED TOP 5!

1. Ravens
2. Chargers
3. Bears
4. Saints
5. Colts(though they did get bitchslapped by the Jags, whom I almost put there.....but that'd just be stupid.)


Ravens over Chargers? Hmm.....

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol

Though, I don't think I ever put the Cowgirls on my list.

[BotheDMBFan]

Ravens over Chargers? Hmm.....

Who won when they played each other again?

[BotheDMBFan]

Devin Hester=MVP.


















A guy can dream.

[clayj41]

I can understand not liking Horn or McKenzie, but Brees, Bush, and McAllister are good players who aren't assholes.

Yeah, Horn is the only one I don't really care for. I still like McKenzie from his days in Green Bay.

[clayj41]

Well, I'm bored so I'm gonna rank my 10 worst teams....countdown style!:lol

10. Rams
9. Packers
8. 49ers
7. Cardinals
6. Texans
5. Redskins
4. Browns
3. Buccaneers
2. Raiders
1. Lions

[HolyCow]

The correct top 5:

1. Chargers
2. Bears
3. Saints
4. Ravens
5. Colts

[saygdbye4134]

devin hester should win the rookie of the year no problem.


there is no way you could sit there and tell me if reggie bush was putting up the numbers that hester is, he would not win that award.

hester for ROTY.

[SteelerMan]

devin hester should win the rookie of the year no problem.


there is no way you could sit there and tell me if reggie bush was putting up the numbers that hester is, he would not win that award.

hester for ROTY.

Nope. Marques Colston.

[Trippin4136]

Devin Hester = lethal game changer

That was quite a show he put on last night.

[saygdbye4134]

Nope. Marques Colston.


the only reason i disagree is because of the fact that he has broken a return TD record as a rookie.

also, he plays offense, defense, and special teams.

other than that, colston legitimately has a shot.

[BotheDMBFan]

Nope. Marques Colston.

I'd agree if he hadn't missed those two or three games.

[UNC41]

the only reason i disagree is because of the fact that he has broken a return TD record as a rookie.

also, he plays offense, defense, and special teams.

other than that, colston legitimately has a shot.

There is an Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year. Colston and Maurice Jones-Drew are both more deserving of OROY.

Even if there were just one ROY, the fact that Hester plays offense, defense and special teams shouldn't be a factor because he has only made anywhere near a significant impact on special teams. By your logic, Kordell Stewart was worthy of a couple MVPs in the 90s.

[BotheDMBFan]

There is an Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year. Colston and Maurice Jones-Drew are both more deserving of OROY.

Even if there were just one ROY, the fact that Hester plays offense, defense and special teams shouldn't be a factor because he has only made anywhere near a significant impact on special teams. By your logic, Kordell Stewart was worthy of a couple MVPs in the 90s.

Wait, you're saying he wasn't?

[SteelerMan]

I'd agree if he hadn't missed those two or three games.

To me, that actually makes it more impressive. He missed a couple games, and he's still 15th in yardage and 8th in TD catches. He's also 7th in yards per game. That's very impressive for a rookie.

[Tiduwho]

Nope. Marques Colston.


Nope, Jones-Drew or Vince Young.



I really think missing those few games will hurt his chances. He needs to have another big game in the last 3.

[Tiduwho]

There is an Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year. Colston and Maurice Jones-Drew are both more deserving of OROY.

Even if there were just one ROY, the fact that Hester plays offense, defense and special teams shouldn't be a factor because he has only made anywhere near a significant impact on special teams. By your logic, Kordell Stewart was worthy of a couple MVPs in the 90s.


How about if Lovie starts working in WR screens for Devin and he takes one or two for TDs in the last 3 games? Just throwing it out there, don't know if I'd say he's deserving myself, but man...he's amazing. I couldn't believe he held himself together so well on defense, he only had one bad play, when he was matched up against one of the best WR in the league for who knows why.

[saygdbye4134]

Well, I'm bored so I'm gonna rank my 10 worst teams....countdown style!:lol

10. Rams
9. Packers
8. 49ers
7. Cardinals
6. Texans
5. Redskins
4. Browns
3. Buccaneers
2. Raiders
1. Lions


i don't agree with the cardinals. they are much better than they're record would have you believe.

[clayj41]

i don't agree with the cardinals. they are much better than they're record would have you believe.

I'm looking at the whole body of work though, and overall record does play a factor. I agree that they are a dangerous team though, and they've been playing really well as of late.

[dmbmuskie]

This thread cracks me up everytime I'm away from it for a a day, and come back to read the madness. If someone wants serious football talk, this probably isn't the place for it, which means don't get all bent out of shape if someone says something foolish, is a homer, flip-flops, etc. There is no need to ridicule people, just because you seem to think you know more about footbal than anyone else around here, which I am guilty of from time to time. There is e weeks left in the regular season, almost everyone still has a chance to make a playoff run, so let's all try to get along.

[thebigv]

I hate the Steelers, Jason. The 2006 Browns are the best team in the history of the NFL.

[Trippin4136]

This thread cracks me up everytime I'm away from it for a a day, and come back to read the madness. If someone wants serious football talk, this probably isn't the place for it, which means don't get all bent out of shape if someone says something foolish, is a homer, flip-flops, etc. There is no need to ridicule people, just because you seem to think you know more about footbal than anyone else around here, which I am guilty of from time to time. There is e weeks left in the regular season, almost everyone still has a chance to make a playoff run, so let's all try to get along.

You're a fucking IDIOT...your top 5 sucks!! HOMER! FLIP-FLOPPER!! :freak

[Trippin4136]

The Lions are 23-71 since Matt Millen took over in the front office.

23-71!!

I don't teams could play that lousy if they tried.

[41ravens]

what's with all this hester for roy talk? no way. not in a rookie class that includes vince young, reggie bush, jones-drew, leinart, colston. hell, i'd put all 5 of them before hester.

[Trippin4136]

The Lions are 23-71 since Matt Millen took over in the front office.

23-71!!

I don't teams could play that lousy if they tried.

I don't think* :BANG

[UNC41]

How about if Lovie starts working in WR screens for Devin and he takes one or two for TDs in the last 3 games? Just throwing it out there, don't know if I'd say he's deserving myself, but man...he's amazing. I couldn't believe he held himself together so well on defense, he only had one bad play, when he was matched up against one of the best WR in the league for who knows why.

Then Hester would be a receiver with one or two touchdown catches and still not in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion. As much as Bears fans will hate to hear it, Hester's special teams brilliance should not even be a discussion when it comes to OROY.