NFL Football 2006-2007

[SteelerMan]

I hate the Steelers, Jason. The 2006 Browns are the best team in the history of the NFL.

So controversial!

[clayj41]

A.J. Hawk for defensive rookie of the year!!!

[HolyCow]

How dumb do the Texans feel that it is their SECOND round defensive pick, not their #1 pick that is going to win defensive rookie of the year?

[dmbhoosier21]

Yeah, must be real tough with those 10 wins...:twak
And an MVP QB, one of the best rookie RB's, playoff berth, and umm, some guy named Marvin.
My pity is oozing.

Try 3 years of intense hype and truly believing that it's your team's turn to FINALLY win the Superbowl - and year after year being bitterly heartbroken and disappointed.

And this year having to watch the worst running defense in the NFL - seriously, has anyone seen anything worse in their lifetime?

I have been a Colts fan since I was a kid - and watching these guys choke year after year sucks.

I am not jumping of the bandwagon (I've been on it for the better part of 24 years) I am just realistic about my team's chances. There is a difference between being a true fan vs. being a homer.

[twosteppinpun]

Orrrrr, you can try loving a team as a kid, seeing them fall from grace, going 2-14, then 4-12, having one of the worst head coaches and front offices in the NFL(not presently), also having one of the worst defenses in the league, and being the laughing stock of the NFL.
You wanna talk about painful. At least your team gets to the playoffs. I have no sympathy for Colts fans. Awww, poor baby, our team is terrible...gimme a freakin break.

In hindsight, I guess I shouldn't be bitter those 5 rings sure are nice.

[Tiduwho]

Then Hester would be a receiver with one or two touchdown catches and still not in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion. As much as Bears fans will hate to hear it, Hester's special teams brilliance should not even be a discussion when it comes to OROY.


Yeah, here's the thing, if there was no division between "Offensive" and "Defensive" rookie of the year and it was just strictly "Rookie of the Year" like in MLB he'd have a great chance.

[dmbhoosier21]

Orrrrr, you can try loving a team as a kid, seeing them fall from grace, going 2-14, then 4-12, having one of the worst head coaches and front offices in the NFL(not presently), also having one of the worst defenses in the league, and being the laughing stock of the NFL.
You wanna talk about painful. At least your team gets to the playoffs. I have no sympathy for Colts fans. Awww, poor baby, our team is terrible...gimme a freakin break.

In hindsight, I guess I shouldn't be bitter those 5 rings sure are nice.

Let me wallow in my own self-pity in peace - I never said you had to feel bad for me - but you gotta admit, year after year of hype and apparent "shoe-ins" for Superbowls and all we Colts fans get out of it are hearbreaks

I'd rather watch my team "over-achieve" (even if they don't make it into the playoffs) than "under-achieve" like the Colts have every year.

[Tiduwho]

Orrrrr, you can try loving a team as a kid, seeing them fall from grace, going 2-14, then 4-12, having one of the worst head coaches and front offices in the NFL(not presently), also having one of the worst defenses in the league, and being the laughing stock of the NFL.
You wanna talk about painful. At least your team gets to the playoffs. I have no sympathy for Colts fans. Awww, poor baby, our team is terrible...gimme a freakin break.

In hindsight, I guess I shouldn't be bitter those 5 rings sure are nice.

49ers fan? There have been much worse franchises than the niners over the past 6 or 7 years.



I've had 3 seasons out of 13 as a Bears fan where the team was good. Two of them ended in embarassment, and one is up in the air.

[UNC41]

Yeah, here's the thing, if there was no division between "Offensive" and "Defensive" rookie of the year and it was just strictly "Rookie of the Year" like in MLB he'd have a great chance.

Hester would definitely be in the running then. He wouldn't get my vote, but he'd be up there.

[xBigNastyx]

You're a fucking IDIOT...your top 5 sucks!! HOMER! FLIP-FLOPPER!! :freak

Even though it's over you feel the need to dig it back up with this. I admit I was immature with some of my comments, and yet you feel the need to be immature as well. I wouldn't expect anything else from you though.

[jimibadfish]

Like I said, when you quote someone it really implies that you are talking to them.

Fuck you, you fucking fuck-fuck. Not you though.:cool

[Trippin4136]

Even though it's over you feel the need to dig it back up with this. I admit I was immature with some of my comments, and yet you feel the need to be immature as well. I wouldn't expect anything else from you though.

dude, get over yourself. I was joking around with Jason. Chill out.

[saygdbye4134]

what's with all this hester for roy talk? no way. not in a rookie class that includes vince young, reggie bush, jones-drew, leinart, colston. hell, i'd put all 5 of them before hester.



whoa. i think you better romo-think your statement there big fella.


you cannot sit there and say if reggie bush had done what hester has done so far that people would not be all about him picking up the ROY?

vince young, perhaps.
leinart, perhaps.
colston, perhaps.

i don't see any of them breaking one of the hardest records to beat in the NFL.

and our quarterback has more turnovers by himself than 12 other teams. eat that. chew on it. add a bit of romo to it.

still feel the same?

[jimibadfish]

whoa. i think you better romo-think your statement there big fella.


you cannot sit there and say if reggie bush had done what hester has done so far that people would not be all about him picking up the ROY?



Ummmm.....Bush does more for his team on a weekly basis than Hester regardless of special teams. That's why people think he is the muthafuckin man. Because he is. Hester would be considered in the same league if your coaching staff would remove their heads from their asses and make him a major part of the offense. But that may confuse Grossman, and we don't want that.:rolleyes

[UNC41]

whoa. i think you better romo-think your statement there big fella.


you cannot sit there and say if reggie bush had done what hester has done so far that people would not be all about him picking up the ROY?

vince young, perhaps.
leinart, perhaps.
colston, perhaps.

i don't see any of them breaking one of the hardest records to beat in the NFL.

and our quarterback has more turnovers by himself than 12 other teams. eat that. chew on it. add a bit of romo to it.

still feel the same?

What has Hester done to impact the Bears offense? Nothing!

What has Hester done to impact the Bears defense? Nothing anywhere near award winning!

There is no Rookie of the Year. There is an Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Rookie of the Year. Hester stands no chance, nor is he deserving, of winning either of those. Conference ROYs stopped being given out in 1996.

[xBigNastyx]

dude, get over yourself. I was joking around with Jason. Chill out.


Byyyyy making fun of me. Therefor I had a right to butt in. And get over myself? Yeah cause I'm a cocky jerk for defending myself against pity jokes that are against me.

[dmbmuskie]

Byyyyy making fun of me. Therefor I had a right to butt in. And get over myself? Yeah cause I'm a cocky jerk for defending myself against pity jokes that are against me.

Are you a cocky jerk or aren't you? Please remember, no flip flopping will be tolerated.

[xBigNastyx]

Are you a cocky jerk or aren't you? Please remember, no flip flopping will be tolerated.


WTF man?

[UNC41]

WTF man?

He's just fucking around. Don't take it so seriously.

[Trippin4136]

Byyyyy making fun of me. Therefor I had a right to butt in. And get over myself? Yeah cause I'm a cocky jerk for defending myself against pity jokes that are against me.

I wasn't making fun of you. I was mocking the whole argument about people's constantly changing Top 5s. Not everything is a personal attack on you.

[xBigNastyx]

I wasn't making fun of you. I was mocking the whole argument about people's constantly changing Top 5s. Not everything is a personal attack on you.

You mocked phrases that I said though man. Can you really not see why I would say you are indirectly trying to poke fun of me?

Ahhh doesn't matter, your opinion is more worthless to me than Gary Sheffield's attitude.

[SoRight24]

Typical Jets nonsense. Go and get our hopes up and then lay an egg against the Bills.

Yeah I'm a Jets fan from Boston. For the LAST time. ;)

[BotheDMBFan]

The Lions are 23-71 since Matt Millen took over in the front office.

23-71!!

I don't teams could play that lousy if they tried.

Oh, you didn't see the Batavia Broncos in action in the EYFL.

[BotheDMBFan]

Then Hester would be a receiver with one or two touchdown catches and still not in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion. As much as Bears fans will hate to hear it, Hester's special teams brilliance should not even be a discussion when it comes to OROY.

I'd peronally put him in for Defensive Rookie of the Year catagory, but that is just me.

[Trippin4136]

Ahhh doesn't matter, your opinion is more worthless to me than Gary Sheffield's attitude.

:rolleyes

[jimibadfish]

I'd peronally put him in for Defensive Rookie of the Year catagory, but that is just me.

Most fantasy football leagues include special teams in team defense.

[UNC41]

I'd peronally put him in for Defensive Rookie of the Year catagory, but that is just me.

Why? Special teams isn't defense. If I were a Bears fan I'd like to see him honored, but he's not worthy of either ROY award.

Most fantasy football leagues include special teams in team defense.

This isn't fantasy football.

[jimibadfish]

This isn't fantasy football.

I should have put, "Most fantasy football leagues..." It was meant to be a play on words. Sorry

[BotheDMBFan]

Why? Special teams isn't defense. If I were a Bears fan I'd like to see him honored, but he's not worthy of either ROY award.


Because he's a corner back, it's tough to pidgeon hole him into a catagory because of his importance coming on special teams.

Oh well, individual awards should really only matter to fans........and Albert Pujols.

[Trippin4136]

what's with all this hester for roy talk? no way. not in a rookie class that includes vince young, reggie bush, jones-drew, leinart, colston. hell, i'd put all 5 of them before hester.

there was a lengthy discussion on Mike & Mike this morning about Hester's consideration for Rookie of the Year. It was pretty interesting considering it was just debated here. Golic said he could solidly back Hester as a legit candidate.

[twosteppinpun]

Let me wallow in my own self-pity in peace - I never said you had to feel bad for me - but you gotta admit, year after year of hype and apparent "shoe-ins" for Superbowls and all we Colts fans get out of it are hearbreaks

I'd rather watch my team "over-achieve" (even if they don't make it into the playoffs) than "under-achieve" like the Colts have every year.

You were the one who came in here and said it's hard to be a Colts fan right now...
I'll admit it sucks for them, but at least your team has a shot.

49ers fan? There have been much worse franchises than the niners over the past 6 or 7 years.



I've had 3 seasons out of 13 as a Bears fan where the team was good. Two of them ended in embarassment, and one is up in the air.

Right, I mean the 9ers are no Lions or Saints (save this year), or Browns, but the 2004 team was possible one of the worst ever.

[SteelerMan]

there was a lengthy discussion on Mike & Mike this morning about Hester's consideration for Rookie of the Year. It was pretty interesting considering it was just debated here. Golic said he could solidly back Hester as a legit candidate.

It sort of reminds me of when people were discussing Dante Hall for MVP.

[thebigv]

Is it just me, or are there a TON of rookies having a huge impact this year. On both sides of the ball. For the first time in a while the Browns are seeing their high draft picks out perform their low draft picks.

And I don't want to hear anyone complain about their football teams and watching them rise and fall. Try being a Browns fan. It's an exercise in futility and humility. And practically impossible to explain to someone who isn't from Ohio. Don't make me start, you all know what I'm talking about.

[Trippin4136]

And I don't want to hear anyone complain about their football teams and watching them rise and fall. Try being a Browns fan. It's an exercise in futility and humility. And practically impossible to explain to someone who isn't from Ohio. Don't make me start, you all know what I'm talking about.

totally agree. the Browns as a franchise, have been totally anemic since their return.

[RJ2kWJ]

HOLY SHIT.

Sorry if already posted.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2695427

What a fuggin design. That thing is unreal.

[Trippin4136]

60 yard long scoreboard?? good lord!

To me, it looks like a modernized version of Texas Stadium

They're the Cowboys, much like the Yankees, I expect their new home to be a modern marvel.

[RJ2kWJ]

60 yard long scoreboard?? good lord!

To me, it looks like a modernized version of Texas Stadium

They're the Cowboys, much like the Yankees, I expect their new home to be a modern marvel.

100,000 people. Even though it seats that many... lower upper deck than any other stadium out. Retractable glass doors at each end. Man the list goes on with this thing.

[dmbmuskie]

Is it just me, or are there a TON of rookies having a huge impact this year. On both sides of the ball. For the first time in a while the Browns are seeing their high draft picks out perform their low draft picks.

And I don't want to hear anyone complain about their football teams and watching them rise and fall. Try being a Browns fan. It's an exercise in futility and humility. And practically impossible to explain to someone who isn't from Ohio. Don't make me start, you all know what I'm talking about.

During college the big party weekend of the spring was always the weekend of the draft, so we'd always get drunk and watch the draft all afternoon. The Browns fans among us called the draft, "What great college player will have his life ruined by the Browns? It's a sad state of affairs up there.

I really wish it was the Browns who had turned things around rather than the Bengals. The Bengals rivalry is a joke to me. There is no real hate there. I much prefer Porter going on tirades against Winslow and Edwards than 85 and TJ.

[UNC41]

there was a lengthy discussion on Mike & Mike this morning about Hester's consideration for Rookie of the Year. It was pretty interesting considering it was just debated here. Golic said he could solidly back Hester as a legit candidate.

What was the discussion? Offensive or Defensive ROY?

[UNC41]

During college the big party weekend of the spring was always the weekend of the draft, so we'd always get drunk and watch the draft all afternoon. The Browns fans among us called the draft, "What great college player will have his life ruined by the Browns? It's a sad state of affairs up there.

NFL Draft Case Day. It's a holiday.

[dmbmuskie]

NFL Draft Case Day. It's a holiday.

The year Mo Clarrett got drafted we threw this huge party, but it snowed on the last weekend in April. We had a few kegs left, so at some point in the early evening we decided we were going to play "drink until Mo gets drafted" on Sunday afternoon. The Broncos had to go and ruin that for us.

[thebigv]

During college the big party weekend of the spring was always the weekend of the draft, so we'd always get drunk and watch the draft all afternoon. The Browns fans among us called the draft, "What great college player will have his life ruined by the Browns? It's a sad state of affairs up there.

I really wish it was the Browns who had turned things around rather than the Bengals. The Bengals rivalry is a joke to me. There is no real hate there. I much prefer Porter going on tirades against Winslow and Edwards than 85 and TJ.

That's how it used to be. Phil Savage and RAC have really been drafting well lately. The days of attrition are behind us and if we could keep a center on the field, maybe we'd gel an offensive line together.

[SteelerMan]

That's how it used to be. Phil Savage and RAC have really been drafting well lately. The days of attrition are behind us and if we could keep a center on the field, maybe we'd gel an offensive line together.

Think they'll cave in and draft Troy Smith even though they have Charlie Frye?

[Trippin4136]

What was the discussion? Offensive or Defensive ROY?

they didn't really distinguish, but all the names they were mentioning were offensive guys, sooo I assume they meant OROY

[thebigv]

Think they'll cave in and draft Troy Smith even though they have Charlie Frye?

Troy Smith will not be drafted by the Browns. That's ludacris.

[Trippin4136]

Troy Smith will not be drafted by the Browns. That's ludacris.

IMO, if they are smart, they will draft Troy Smith. They've got talented receivers in Edwards and Winslow. The Browns need a leader and a voice for that young club and that is exactly what Smith will provide. Also, the local boy makes good story is too good to pass on. Ohio (well North and East of the 614) will love the Browns if they take Smith.

[UNC41]

Troy Smith = Drew Brees

If I were a Browns fan, I'd love for Cleveland to draft him.

[thebigv]

Yes. That's exactly what Cleveland needs, fair-weather fans brought in by Troy Smith. QB is not a position of concern right now.

[UNC41]

Yes. That's exactly what Cleveland needs, fair-weather fans brought in by Troy Smith. QB is not a position of concern right now.

If the Browns could get an elite o-lineman or AD in the early first round and then Smith at the top of the second I think it would be great for the team. I guess you just have way more faith in Frye than I do.

[Trippin4136]

Yes. That's exactly what Cleveland needs, fair-weather fans brought in by Troy Smith. QB is not a position of concern right now.

I'd say its definitely a concern for them maybe not their largest one though. RB is clearly a pressing need for them as is offensive line.

I think RB is a glaring need for them. If they can't get Peterson, then I think they should try to get OT Joe Thomas or Jake Long. If they miss out on those, they Smith all the way.

Come on? Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson?

And I may be mistaken, but didn't Frye go to Akron?

[thebigv]

If the Browns could get an elite o-lineman or AD in the early first round and then Smith at the top of the second I think it would be great for the team. I guess you just have way more faith in Frye than I do.

I don't think Cleveland would look right with a great QB. I'm pulling for AD or Joe Thomas with their first pick. They can certainly use a DB (Leon Hart) or yet another LB. Unfortunately for Troy Smith, he'll probably end up at Oakland, especially with a big NC game. You can only hope his reformed character would stay that way after going to the 'place where character dies'.

[Trippin4136]

Detroit will take AP or Joe Thomas and Oakland will take BQ. No way Smith goes over Quinn in this draft.

[thebigv]

I'd say its definitely a concern for them maybe not their largest one though. RB is clearly a pressing need for them as is offensive line.

I think RB is a glaring need for them. If they can't get Peterson, then I think they should try to get OT Joe Thomas or Jake Long. If they miss out on those, they Smith all the way.

Come on? Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson?

And I may be mistaken, but didn't Frye go to Akron?

Frye did go to Akron. He's a hometown boy. I can't really knock on Frye too much, because he's been behind a patchwork line all season. If I have to endure another season of Droughns plodding behind the line I'll shoot myself in the face.

[thebigv]

Detroit will take AP or Joe Thomas and Oakland will take BQ. No way Smith goes over Quinn in this draft.

Detroit taking AD depends 100% on if Kevin Jones is as hurt as people think he could be. Matt Millen doesn't look at what he needs, he just likes WRs. Calvin Johnson will be the first pick of the draft, going to the Lions. I'd imagine the Lions next pick will be Samardzija, then maybe a few other WRs in the late rounds. He's a genius.

[dmbmuskie]

Personally, I don't think it is time for the Browns to give up on Charlie Frye. You just cannot evaluate a QB properly when his line sucks. More teams should pay attention to what the Jets did and just loaded up on offesnive lineman in the first round. If they don't address the o-line, then they need to address the defesive front 7. That's what the well managed teams do for the most part on the first day, and build around the big uglies.

[dmbmuskie]

I cannot see anyway Troy Smith comes off the board before the 2nd round because of his height. I'm about 6'1'', and the one time I met him he is a good 2 inches shorter than me. There is no lying about how tall you are after the combine.

[thebigv]

Unfortunately, Jason, everyone is going to bring up Vick and Brees when you say the height thing. I think TS has loads of potential, but hasn't proven himself because his team is so good. He'll get someone to take an early look at him and probably be the 3rd QB out, depending on how Brohm does in the combine if he comes out. Who knows.

Am I the only one who doesn't think Vince Young is a good quarterback? Isn't he last in the NFL in QB rating among starters? I love how easily things are flipped in the NFL. It's entertaining.

[SteelerMan]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Vince Young is a good quarterback? Isn't he last in the NFL in QB rating among starters? I love how easily things are flipped in the NFL. It's entertaining.

Yeah, he is last in QB rating (although that doesn't include Cutler, Campbell, or Aaron Brooks). I was unaware. His rating is 65.7. He's also last in completion percentage at only 51.7 (though Vick is second lowest at 51.8). However, his 10 TDs and 11 INTs don't really look that bad. Brad Johnson has 8 TDs and 15 INTs, Charlie Frye has 10 TDs and 16 INTs, yet they both have higher ratings. That's why I don't trust QB ratings.

[clayj41]

I pray that the Raiders don't draft Quinn, I would never be able to cheer for him!

[dmbmuskie]

I think Young is just like Vick in that when he wins people praise him, but when he starts losing he'll be bashed for not delivering the ball on target.

His stats are really bad when you take into account he's averageing less than 6 yards per attempt because that suggests he's not connecting down the field at all.

[SteelerMan]

His stats are really bad when you take into account he's averageing less than 6 yards per attempt because that suggests he's not connecting down the field at all.

Possibly, but I'd guess his terrible yards per attempt number is more of a function of his awful completion percentage.

[dmbmuskie]

Possibly, but I'd guess his terrible yards per attempt number is more of a function of his awful completion percentage.

I left out that his long for the season is 39 yards.

Regardless, he's missing a lot of throws, which is going to catch up with him eventually.

[UNC41]

I cannot see anyway Troy Smith comes off the board before the 2nd round because of his height. I'm about 6'1'', and the one time I met him he is a good 2 inches shorter than me. There is no lying about how tall you are after the combine.

That's my thought. If Brohm and Russel decalre I think they could easily be the second and third QBs off the board.

[dmbmuskie]

That's my thought. If Brohm and Russel decalre I think they could easily be the second and third QBs off the board.

I think the smartest move any team looking for a QB to make would be to make a run at Schaub in FA. He's more proven, and he's going to cost you a hell of a lot less.

[xBigNastyx]

I think the smartest move any team looking for a QB to make would be to make a run at Schaub in FA. He's more proven, and he's going to cost you a hell of a lot less.

I completely agree with you.

And as for those talking about V. Young. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't think that highly of him. I was one of those people who wasn't a fan of him going into the draft and thought he was be just a good college QB.

[CBurton27]

I think the smartest move any team looking for a QB to make would be to make a run at Schaub in FA. He's more proven, and he's going to cost you a hell of a lot less.

Actually, I think the Falcons RESIGN Schaub and TRADE Vick!

I think everyone in the Falcons orginization knows that Schaub is the man and prior to this year made a decision, NFC Championship/Super Bowl or Vick is gone.

Honestly, What do you guys think the Falcons could get for Vick??

I have always thought that Vick will be in a Browns uniform next year.

[thebigv]

Actually, I think the Falcons RESIGN Schaub and TRADE Vick!

I think everyone in the Falcons orginization knows that Schaub is the man and prior to this year made a decision, NFC Championship/Super Bowl or Vick is gone.

Honestly, What do you guys think the Falcons could get for Vick??

I have always thought that Vick will be in a Browns uniform next year.

Absolute fucking mutiny. Don't ever repeat those words again.

[seekupig]

I think the smartest move any team looking for a QB to make would be to make a run at Schaub in FA. He's more proven, and he's going to cost you a hell of a lot less.

Damon Huard falls into that category as well. last i heard, KC hadn't given him an extension yet. i hope the Chiefs resign him, as it looks Trent Greens best years are behind him now. if they don't, Huard would be a great pick up for somebody....

[dmbmuskie]

Actually, I think the Falcons RESIGN Schaub and TRADE Vick!

I think everyone in the Falcons orginization knows that Schaub is the man and prior to this year made a decision, NFC Championship/Super Bowl or Vick is gone.

Honestly, What do you guys think the Falcons could get for Vick??

I have always thought that Vick will be in a Browns uniform next year.

I don't think Vick has the value that you think he has. I could see Oakland paying out the ass with picks and young guys, but a well run organization is going to steer clear of Vick if he became available. With the huge contract he signed I don't see how the Falcons can move him without putting themselves in financial ruin.

Damon Huard falls into that category as well. last i heard, KC hadn't given him an extension yet. i hope the Chiefs resign him, as it looks Trent Greens best years are behind him now. if they don't, Huard would be a great pick up for somebody....

Huard could be a nice stop gap some place, but at 33 he's not going to get the red carpet treatment rolled out for him like Schaub will.

[emu513]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/061211

I agree with this entire article regarding Troy Smith.

[jimibadfish]

IMO, if they are smart, they will draft Troy Smith.

# of heisman winners who played quarterback in the Super Bowl era that were smart draft picks...2...Carson Palmer and Roger Staubach (Charlie Ward was an ok bball pick.) I would say Testaverde, but the Bucs should have taken Cornelius Bennett instead.

[emu513]

# of heisman winners who played quarterback in the Super Bowl era that were smart draft picks...2...Carson Palmer and Roger Staubach (Charlie Ward was an ok bball pick.) I would say Testaverde, but the Bucs should have taken Cornelius Bennett instead.

Hmm. I don't think you can look at it like that.

Heisman winner denotes nothing more than an award based on college play. It has absolutely no implications on one's NFL future regardless of whatever trend that Heisman winners project in the NFL. None.

Troy Smith winning the Heisman has about as much to do with his NFL career as how many times he calls his mother per week.

[xBigNastyx]

Hmm. I don't think you can look at it like that.

Heisman winner denotes nothing more than an award based on college play. It has absolutely no implications on one's NFL future regardless of whatever trend that Heisman winners project in the NFL. None.

Troy Smith winning the Heisman has about as much to do with his NFL career as how many times he calls his mother per week.

I agree.


But I would like to point out that I do NOT see Smith being a very good NFL QB. I see him as being a good college QB, and nothing more than that.

[Trippin4136]

# of heisman winners who played quarterback in the Super Bowl era that were smart draft picks...2...Carson Palmer and Roger Staubach (Charlie Ward was an ok bball pick.) I would say Testaverde, but the Bucs should have taken Cornelius Bennett instead.

winning a Heisman has absolutely no cause/effect on one winning a super bowl. Marcus Allen, Tony Dorsett and George Rogers are the only SB winning running backs of all-time.

So what does that say? It isn't just the QBs who carry the stigma of not winning Super Bowls.

I'm not saying Troy Smith is going to win a SB, nobody knows. I'm just counterpointing your argument that so few Heisman winning QBs have won SBs which means Smith won't.

Also, add Jim Plunkett to your list.

[jimibadfish]

So what does that say? It isn't just the QBs who carry the stigma of not winning Super Bowls.

I was just defining an era not implying any stigma. It was a little info I thought people may be interested in. I also believe Troy Smith is going to be an NFL flop.


Also, add Jim Plunkett to your list.

He was drafted ahead of Archie Manning.:rolleyes He's not in the hall of fame. John Riggins, Jack Youngblood, Jack Ham, and Dan Dierdorf, all taken after him, are. The team that drafted him never had a winning record with him at the helm and won their first Super Bowl in 2001. He won his first SB at the age of 33 with the Raiders after replacing Don Pastorini who was the third pick in the same draft in which Plunkett went first, 1971. Weird, huh?

[Trippin4136]

I was just defining an era not implying any stigma. It was a little info I thought people may be interested in. I also believe Troy Smith is going to be an NFL flop.


alright man. we'll just see.

[CBurton27]

I don't think Vick has the value that you think he has. I could see Oakland paying out the ass with picks and young guys, but a well run organization is going to steer clear of Vick if he became available. With the huge contract he signed I don't see how the Falcons can move him without putting themselves in financial ruin.


I agree, I never said we would get a ton for him. I thik if they were going to get anything for him, they should have dealt him last year and signed Schaub to a long term contract.

[dmbmuskie]

I agree, I never said we would get a ton for him. I thik if they were going to get anything for him, they should have dealt him last year and signed Schaub to a long term contract.

Even then I don't think there would have been a market for him. I think Atlanta values him more highly than any other team. His value peaked the year they beat the Packers in the playoffs.

It would be interesting to see if he went on the market what kind of interest there would be. I personally couldn't see the Falcons getting more than a 2nd rounder and late round pick for him.

I could also see Daniel Snyder getting involved. It would be fun to see the Falcons and Redskins try to give each other their respective dumb ass contracts. Vick for Jason Campbell, Archuletta and Andre Carter or something like that would be great fun to see go down. Blank and Snyder deserve each other.

[thebigv]

I could also see Daniel Snyder getting involved. It would be fun to see the Falcons and Redskins try to give each other their respective dumb ass contracts. Vick for Jason Campbell, Archuletta and Andre Carter or something like that would be great fun to see go down. Blank and Snyder deserve each other.

Vick might have one of the most ridiculous contracts in all of football. I feel like some team should draft Troy Smith with the intent of getting Vick and running some crazy shotgun option offense, just to fuck with defensive coordinators around the league. Who wouldn't want to see that game? You'd have Vick and tSmith running wild on defenses, with the occasional LB busting a breastplate with his helmet. Now that's entertainment.

[twosteppinpun]

Cold, Rain, 20 mph winds for the game tonight. Should be a fun one to watch.

[emu513]

Vick might have one of the most ridiculous contracts in all of football. I feel like some team should draft Troy Smith with the intent of getting Vick and running some crazy shotgun option offense, just to fuck with defensive coordinators around the league. Who wouldn't want to see that game? You'd have Vick and tSmith running wild on defenses, with the occasional LB busting a breastplate with his helmet. Now that's entertainment.

You may be on to something.

[thebigv]

You may be on to something.

Crap. If the Lions fire Matt Millen, I may get my wish. I need a DC. Anyone want to try a 3-3-5 in the NFL?

[VanHorneDog]

This weeks picks... ive missed the last two weeks for some stupid reason...

San Francisco at Seattle (Seattle 27-21)
Dallas at Atlanta (Dallas 23-17)
Cleveland at Baltimore (Baltimore 17-0)
Detroit at Green Bay (Green Bay 28-10)
Houston at New England (New England 24-10)
Jacksonville at Tennessee (Jacksonville 24-23)
Miami at Buffalo (Miami 17-13)
N.Y. Jets at Minnesota (Jets 24-17)
Pittsburgh at Carolina (Pittsburgh 24-14)
Tampa Bay at Chicago (Chicago 13-7)
Washington at New Orleans (New Orleans 31-14)
Denver at Arizona (Arizona 35-20)
Philadelphia at N.Y. Giants (Giants 23-21)
St. Louis at Oakland (St. Louis 17-10)
Kansas City at San Diego (San Diego 42-28)
Cincinnati at Indianapolis (Cincinnati 49-31)

[Tiduwho]

Greg Doyle says that not only is Devin Hester the Rookie of the Year, but is in fact the NFL's MVP.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9870658

[seekupig]

Greg Doyle says that not only is Devin Hester the Rookie of the Year, but is in fact the NFL's MVP.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9870658

if Greg Doyle believes that Devin Hester is the NFL MVP, he is a supreme jackass.

[Tiduwho]

if Greg Doyle believes that Devin Hester is the NFL MVP, he is a supreme jackass.


I found it hilarious. :lol

[thebigv]

if Greg Doyle believes that Devin Hester is the NFL MVP, he is a supreme jackass.

Even if he didn't say Hester is the NFL's MVP, this except, from his profile would prove it:

Misunderstood, Doyel lives life by two phrases. He wrote neither of them, because as anyone will tell you, he's not good enough to come up with this stuff himself.

The first comes from My Name Is by Eminem: "I don't give a f---, dog. God sent me to piss the world off."

The second comes from The Rose by Bette Midler: "I say love, it is a flower. And you, its only seed."

[VanHorneDog]

Greg Doyle says that not only is Devin Hester the Rookie of the Year, but is in fact the NFL's MVP.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9870658

well, how many games has he won for his team? a couple. MVP? nah, the bears would still get as far as they will without him. which, IMO is the NFC championship game.

if Greg Doyle believes that Devin Hester is the NFL MVP, he is a supreme jackass.

meh, there is merrit. but Payton Manning or Drew Brees deserve it more. without Brees the saints are 6-10 at the end of the year. Without manning, the colts are still offensively decent, but would loose some of those close games.

nobody else really sticks out for Most Valuable Player except maybe Tomlinson, but without LT the chargers would still be good. their backup is excellent and they have a lot of offensive weapons not to mention a really good O-line. Player of the year: Yes. MVP: maybe.

[Tiduwho]

There are unconfirmed reports that the Bengals have contacted the Bears about Tank Johnson and are looking to deal.

[VanHorneDog]

There are unconfirmed reports that the Bengals have contacted the Bears about Tank Johnson and are looking to deal.

trading deadline??? :confused

[GOB_]

trading deadline??? :confused

It was a joke. Cops busted Tank Johnson on weapon charges.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6273318

[VanHorneDog]

It was a joke. Cops busted Tank Johnson on weapon charges.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6273318

oh, lol.

i just moved back to San Diego havent seen a TV or looked at ESPN.com at all.

and, thats funny. man the Bengals are trying to give the 2000 ravens a run for their money. all they need to do is kill some drug dealers and impregnant a hooker or two.

:lol

[Trippin4136]

I know many of you can't watch the NFL Network, but let me tell you, the coverage is flat out HORRIBLE. Bryant Gumbel is atrocious on the air and Marshall Faulk as a sideline reporter is even worse.

You may not be watching the games, but you certainly aren't missing much.

[BotheDMBFan]

I always thought we should start Alonso Boone any damn ways.

[UNC41]

Greg Doyle says that not only is Devin Hester the Rookie of the Year, but is in fact the NFL's MVP.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9870658

Greg Doyle is a fucking moron. Thank God he is no longer covering college basketball.

[Bartender84]

Well, time to get ready for next season, we're not going anywhere in the playoffs. I was really hoping the injuries on offense were the problem, but that's not the case.

At least we made it further than any of the other SB losing teams this decade has, and hopefully this team will actually play some football next season.

[xBigNastyx]

Well, time to get ready for next season, we're not going anywhere in the playoffs. I was really hoping the injuries on offense were the problem, but that's not the case.

At least we made it further than any of the other SB losing teams this decade has, and hopefully this team will actually play some football next season.

Alexander is nothing special without Hutch...

[Bartender84]

Alexander is nothing special without Hutch...
Actually, the problem is that the offensive line is different every week, because they keep getting injured. It's hard to get into any sort of rhythm when that happens.

Hell, Shaun got 200 yards a few weeks ago with three backups on the line. The problem is consistency, and if they can stay healthy next season, Shaun will have another big year.

[Tiduwho]

Wait..are you kidding? The 49ers won AGAIN?


Wow, can't wait to hear the tools on ATH tomorrow that all guranteed absolute blowouts in favor of the Seahags.

[xBigNastyx]

Actually, the problem is that the offensive line is different every week, because they keep getting injured. It's hard to get into any sort of rhythm when that happens.

Hell, Shaun got 200 yards a few weeks ago with three backups on the line. The problem is consistency, and if they can stay healthy next season, Shaun will have another big year.

He also needed to run the ball 40 times against GREEN BAY to get to 200 yds. I mean it's great he's healthy and is able to carry the ball 40 times and it is impressive, but come on. Alexander wil run 9 times for 20 yds then break a 20 yd run that balances out his stat line...I see it every time I watch him play. He isn't consistent. And I do notice that he puts like no effort forth in pass protection...I am just one of the few people who think he is extremely over rated.

And no, he will never again do what he did in 2005.

Just my opinion.

[UNC41]

He also needed to run the ball 40 times against GREEN BAY to get to 200 yds. I mean it's great he's healthy and is able to carry the ball 40 times and it is impressive, but come on. Alexander wil run 9 times for 20 yds then break a 20 yd run that balances out his stat line...I see it every time I watch him play. He isn't consistent. And I do notice that he puts like no effort forth in pass protection...I am just one of the few people who think he is extremely over rated.

And no, he will never again do what he did in 2005.

Just my opinion.

I agree that running behind Jones and Hutch was a boost to Alexander's career, but he's still a very good running back. He's not on a LT or LJ level, but he's in the next tier of backs. I understand your argument though. Shall we call it the Emmitt Smith Effect?

[xBigNastyx]

I agree that running behind Jones and Hutch was a boost to Alexander's career, but he's still a very good running back. He's not on a LT or LJ level, but he's in the next tier of backs. I understand your argument though. Shall we call it the Emmitt Smith Effect?

Right on. I agree.

I mean don't get me wrong I think he is a good RB. I just think he is a tad over rated. IMO he will never come close to duplicating what he did last year. And by over rated, I mean how he is talked about in the same breath as LJ and LT and to me they are just far and away much more superior as complete RB. LJ and LT do IT ALL. Pass protect, catch, run.

Alexander doesn't do those things.

[Bartender84]

Seahags.

And now I remember why I avoid this thread. Thanks, ass.

[Bartender84]

The main problem with Alexander, IMO, is that he just isn't physical enough. It's like he goes down right when someone touches him. I know he's worried about getting injured, but cmon.

I just feel like this team, except for Hasselbeck, just isn't motivated at all right now. Just playing sloppy.

[thebigv]

I think a lot of people put Alexander on the same level as LT and LJ because of fantasy football. The casual fan has difficulty understanding that just because a RB may be a fantasy giant, he'd be a waste of skin in another situation. The media loves to do this, because most of their viewership consists of people that watch football entirely because of fantasy football. Yes, I play fantasy football, and I rarely listen to the media except for injury reports.

I'd love to see him bounce to the Broncos for a season, put up huge numbers. Then head over to my beloved Browns and look like a Pop Warner version of Droughns, which isn't saying a lot...

[Tiduwho]

And now I remember why I avoid this thread. Thanks, ass.


Come on, give me a break. :lol


That's just the norm on most message boards I'm on, just like the Vikings everyone knows as the Queens, the Cowgirls, the Cleveland Steamers, the Dolts, the Donkeys (broncos), or the Ratbirds (ravens).


Standard stuff, there's no ill will behind it.

[VanHorneDog]

fucking hawks... man they are going to go 1-3 going into the playoffs, they completely dont deserve it. the cardinals will have a better record down the stretch.

[xBigNastyx]

I think a lot of people put Alexander on the same level as LT and LJ because of fantasy football. The casual fan has difficulty understanding that just because a RB may be a fantasy giant, he'd be a waste of skin in another situation. The media loves to do this, because most of their viewership consists of people that watch football entirely because of fantasy football. Yes, I play fantasy football, and I rarely listen to the media except for injury reports.

...


RIGHT ON. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I agree that people think so highly of Alexander cause of fantasy.. Cause when it comes down to just watching him for what he is, he is not a good all around RB. He may help you in fantasy, but IMO in REAL LIFE, I wouldnt have him in my top 10 RB most def.

[CBurton27]

I'm kicking myself for not trying to trade Alexander at our draft this year!

[seekupig]

fucking hawks... man they are going to go 1-3 going into the playoffs, they completely dont deserve it. the cardinals will have a better record down the stretch.

is the AFC West the best division in football?

[VanHorneDog]

is the AFC West the best division in football?

it has 7/8 good teams if you break them into offense and deffense. (although it could be 6/8 depending on the bronco offense, but cutler will get better and they can still run)

i doubt whether any other division can say that.

i would have said the AFC north starting the year. with baltimore, cincy and pittsburg all looking good. but, that didnt pan out.

no other division really stands out. the NFC East with the giants, eagles, cowboys and redskins looked really good to start the season. but with quarterback problems for all 4 teams, defensive problems and coaching problems. i just cant say they are better.

so, yes, the AFC west is the best division. although, i could also say that all 4 AFC divisions are better than the NFC East.

[Tiduwho]

Uhh....the plot thickens. Tank Johnson's bodyguard, who was the man arrested at his home on thursday and "owner" of the 6 guns, was just shot and killed at a nightclub last night.

[VanHorneDog]

Uhh....the plot thickens. Tank Johnson's bodyguard, who was the man arrested at his home on thursday and "owner" of the 6 guns, was just shot and killed at a nightclub last night.

:eek

ok, its official the Bengals are starting to turn into the Ravens.

[thebigv]

Tank plays for the Bears. But, regardless of this incident, they were already turning into the Ravens.

[VanHorneDog]

Tank plays for the Bears. But, regardless of this incident, they were already turning into the Ravens.

im sorry, i hear johnson and assumed bengals, since after all they have like 20 johnsons on their team. :lol

nah, the bengals havent killed anyone yet.

[thebigv]

Correction. The Bengals haven't been caught for killing anyone. YET.

[VanHorneDog]

Correction. The Bengals haven't been caught for killing anyone. YET.

i think thats what i ment. ;)

[41ravens]

stupid nfl network.

[VanHorneDog]

no joke, i hate the NFL network. i hope the NFL makes no money off these games and axes the idea and just gives the game to ESPN with a robot and ditka as the broadcasters. or maybe that "boom goes the dynamite" guy, that would be at least entertaining. stop putting out these stupid anaylysts who only talk shit about teams.

john madden is the man. nuff said.

[UNC41]

no joke, i hate the NFL network. i hope the NFL makes no money off these games and axes the idea and just gives the game to ESPN with a robot and ditka as the broadcasters. or maybe that "boom goes the dynamite" guy, that would be at least entertaining. stop putting out these stupid anaylysts who only talk shit about teams.

john madden is the man. nuff said.

You were credible until you made the bolded statement ...

[luke7]

I hope that the Bengals win Monday night, but if I were a betting man I would put my money on the Colts. All the networks have jumped on the Bengals bandwagon, but I still believe there is a possiblity that they could lose all three of the remaining games on their schedule IND, DEN & PITT. No one mentions how Carson Palmer threw 3 INTS last week against a very poor Raiders teams.

[seekupig]

No one mentions how Carson Palmer threw 3 INTS last week against a very poor Raiders teams.

that poor Raiders team actually has a pretty good defense.

[luke7]

that poor Raiders team actually has a pretty good defense.


3 INTS is still 3 INTS. The Bengals have the potential to make a run like the Steelers did last year, but I don't buy into it as much as the media has.

[Trippin4136]

big game today...Giants v. Eagles

Let's Go Big Blue!

[VanHorneDog]

You were credible until you made the bolded statement ...

i like john madden, cuz he dumbs it down for my gf... :lol

[VanHorneDog]

3 INTS is still 3 INTS. The Bengals will make a run like the Steelers did last year, but I don't buy into it as much as the media has.


:thumbsup

[SoRight24]

Jets are handling the Vikes. 26-7

HELL YES!

Come on playoffs!!!!

[41ravens]

there's only 2 things i wanted to happen today...the saints to lose and devin hester to fuck up.


one down, one to go.

[emu513]

3 INTS is still 3 INTS. The Bengals have the potential to make a run like the Steelers did last year, but I don't buy into it as much as the media has.

If Carson was throwing three INTs each week then that would be a problem. But since he's not, I wouldn't put too much stock into his performance v. the Raiders.

[jimibadfish]

Goddamn Saints.

[41ravens]

someone please explain to me why any team in the nfc should be scared of going into chicago during the playoffs?

and lovie really showed a lot of faith in rex at the end of the 4th quarter.

[dmbmuskie]

someone please explain to me why any team in the nfc should be scared of going into chicago during the playoffs?

and lovie really showed a lot of faith in rex at the end of the 4th quarter.

All of the teams in the NFC are bad.

[41ravens]

also, hester is no longer scary. kick it to him and then poke at the ball. he'll drop it.

[FalloutBoyRocks]

someone please explain to me why any team in the nfc should be scared of going into chicago during the playoffs?

and lovie really showed a lot of faith in rex at the end of the 4th quarter.

I think every team in the playoff picture right now could go into Chicago and get a win.

Dallas, New Orleans, Seattle, Eagles, New York

[41ravens]

I think every team in the playoff picture right now could go into Chicago and get a win.

Dallas, New Orleans, Seattle, Eagles, New York

hopefully dallas won't have to. after they win their next two games and new orleans loses again, dallas will get a bye as well. so whichever team has to go to chicago will win and then have to come to dallas. i've got it all figured out.


;)

[Tiduwho]

Rex sure sucked today:


29/44 339 yds 65.9% 2 TDs


Leads the league in 100+ passer rating games by a wide margin.




We won't be able to win in the playoffs without him.

[Tiduwho]

I think every team in the playoff picture right now could go into Chicago and get a win.

Dallas, New Orleans, Seattle, Eagles, New York


Yup, who's gonna be the lucky team that gets the 2nd round bye in the NFC Championship Game?

[41ravens]

Rex sure sucked today:


29/44 339 yds 65.9% 2 TDs


Leads the league in 100+ passer rating games by a wide margin.




We won't be able to win in the playoffs without him.

rex did look really good. but that had to suck for him at the end of regulation when lovie opted to run the clock out with a minute remaining a two timeouts. that doesn't say much about his confidence in rex. but he did make some big plays today.

[jimibadfish]

We won't be able to win in the playoffs.

Now I agree.;)

[Trippin4136]

Touchdown Giants.

Although this game is on the brink of falling apart for either at any moment it seems.

That play call on the 2 pt'er was just dumb

[41ravens]

if you would've told me after mcnabb went down that next weeks game would be for the division, i would've laughed at you. must win next week.

[Trippin4136]

there are no signs that eli manning can be an effective QB for the long haul let alone a franchise player.

[41ravens]

it must suck to be an analyst this year. not saying they aren't all idiots anyways, but every time they say something or jump on a team's bandwagon, that team proves them wrong. first it was the bears, but none of them seem to like them anymore. then it was the cowboys, but they had a "meltdown" against the saints. then it was the saints, but they lose to the redskins at home. if i were one of them, i'd say, "fuck it...someone's going to the super bowl from the nfc, but i'll be damned if i know who it is."

[Trippin4136]

i love how Jimmy Johnson pronounced the Bucs finished today, down 7 with 6:31 to go, saying they only scored in garbage time. Then the Bucs almost shock the Bears, hilarious.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bears clinch Home Field in the most pathetic way possible.

Oh well, Grossman played amazing today.

[Bartndrpleez]

it must suck to be an analyst this year. not saying they aren't all idiots anyways, but every time they say something or jump on a team's bandwagon, that team proves them wrong. first it was the bears, but none of them seem to like them anymore. then it was the cowboys, but they had a "meltdown" against the saints. then it was the saints, but they lose to the redskins at home. if i were one of them, i'd say, "fuck it...someone's going to the super bowl from the nfc, but i'll be damned if i know who it is."

Sure you don't mean AFC? AFC is MUCH stronger than the NFC top to bottom this season IMO.

[41ravens]

Sure you don't mean AFC? AFC is MUCH stronger than the NFC top to bottom this season IMO.

no, i meant nfc. i'm pretty sure the chargers are the front-runner for the afc right now. my point was that there's no clear cut favorite from the nfc. it's changed every week.

[Bartndrpleez]

no, i meant nfc. i'm pretty sure the chargers are the front-runner for the afc right now. my point was that there's no clear cut favorite from the nfc. it's changed every week.

My bad. In your original post I misread it. I thought you meant WIN the super bowl, not just go to. I'm going to go to bed now. :lol

[Dancing Ants]

Sure you don't mean AFC? AFC is MUCH stronger than the NFC top to bottom this season IMO.

i don't think the AFC is as good as you think. any team can beat any team any week.

[seekupig]

i don't think the AFC is as good as you think. any team can beat any team any week.

the NFC isn't even close to the AFC this year..... it's been that way for awhile, but this year it's worse than usual....

[VanHorneDog]

well, all i have to say is

12-2 and looking coo. :D

[Jsweeney]

how about Jeff Garcia and the birds...we all thought we were dead without McNabb...now we are just hoping that santa will be nice to us next monday and give us the east!!! :)

[SoRight24]

Okay, I'll be pulling for Indy to beat Cincy tonight!

And then hopefully the Jets can beat the Dolphins next Monday night!

PLEASE!!!!

[Trippin4136]

I didn't think it was possible for Terrell Owens to degrade his name anymore, but then he goes and spits on a guy. Granted, it was DeAngelo Hall, a guy that nobody seems to like or respect. But, spitting? That is just childish and accomplishes nothing.

[xBigNastyx]

Rex sure sucked today:


29/44 339 yds 65.9% 2 TDs


Leads the league in 100+ passer rating games by a wide margin.




We won't be able to win in the playoffs without him.

He also leads the league in passer rating games of below most people's GPA... and by a wide margin too.


I love how you guys HATE him when he has a bad game and love him when he has a good game.

Even though this good game came against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

[Trippin4136]

if I'm a Bears fan, I'm definitely more concerned with the fact that my vaunted D gave up 31 to the Buccaneers. Not Rex.

[thebigv]

I didn't think it was possible for Terrell Owens to degrade his name anymore, but then he goes and spits on a guy. Granted, it was DeAngelo Hall, a guy that nobody seems to like or respect. But, spitting? That is just childish and accomplishes nothing.

Obviously you've never spit on someone before. It accomplishes more than you can imagine. Honestly, I find it hysterical that these guys talk trash to each other 'friendly'-like on the phone and then TO does this. To say he's crazy would be a major understatement.

He also leads the league in passer rating games of below most people's GPA... and by a wide margin too.


I love how you guys HATE him when he has a bad game and love him when he has a good game.

Even though this good game came against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Try living in Chicago. The homer fans around the office are atrocious. I love how they make fun of Charlie Frye and Derek Andersen when both QBs would be an improvement over Grossman. You'll run into the occassional fan that will state how much he sucks and how lucky they are that he isn't needed to win any games. Nobody seems to mention that his 'great games' are against absolutely horrible teams. I'd say I'll reserve my judgement until the playoffs, but he just makes it so easy to see that he sucks. :D

[Trippin4136]

Obviously you've never spit on someone before. It accomplishes more than you can imagine. Honestly, I find it hysterical that these guys talk trash to each other 'friendly'-like on the phone and then TO does this. To say he's crazy would be a major understatement.



No I can't say that I have. Spitting is the most chicken-shit act one could do IMO. Just short of kicking someone in the jewels.

[thebigv]

When I think chicken-shit, I think TO. Or Carmela Anthony...they both suck.

[Trippin4136]

I agree. Although Nate Robinson deserves a kick to the jaw simply for puffing his chest and putting his fists like a total asshat.

[xBigNastyx]

This is from Peter King's "Fine Fifteen" on SI.com

"8. New England (10-4). A 40-7 win would imply all is well in Patland. All is better. But 230 yards of offense? Against the league's 28th defense? Good thing the Pats had incredible field position all day."


Is that not the most contradicting statement? He says they played well but struggled on offense only getting 230 yds, and says they were saved by good field position. Well, the reason they had low yardage was BECAUSE they had good field position all day. If you are starting drives from the opponents 40 yd line, naturally you are going to have a low total yardage by your offense at the end because you had a short field position and thus needed less yards to get to the end zone. :lol

Sometimes I wonder about some anaylists. A lot of them are just complete morons.

Another thing that gets me about yardage and whatnot, is how they rank defenses...Oakland is what ranked 9th defensively? Cause they allow a low amount of yardage (Which is because their team allows fantastic field position so naturally they arent going to give up much yardage :lol)

I mean they have a solid pass rush, but would you really put them in your top ten if I asked you to list your top 10 defenses right now? I guarantee you that you wouldn't.

Anyways, sorry for my rant, I just found what he posted about the Patriots to be pretty funny. :lol

[Tiduwho]

Try living in Chicago. The homer fans around the office are atrocious. I love how they make fun of Charlie Frye and Derek Andersen when both QBs would be an improvement over Grossman. You'll run into the occassional fan that will state how much he sucks and how lucky they are that he isn't needed to win any games. Nobody seems to mention that his 'great games' are against absolutely horrible teams. I'd say I'll reserve my judgement until the playoffs, but he just makes it so easy to see that he sucks. :D


Like the Giants and Seahawks. Okay...right. Face it, he's been great or bad against anyone, it's all about him and his progressions and technique. He can be good against bad teams (Pack, Lions, Bills, 49ers, Bucs, etc), or bad against bad teams (Crapnals). He can be good against good teams (Seahawks, Giants), or bad against good teams (Pats). His bad games were because he wasn't taking the checkdowns and was just lofting the ball up off his back foot, the past two games he has stayed disciplined and hopefully it is now alleviated. It's about what Rex does, and how Rex plays.



And by the way what is with this idea anyways, aren't you supposed to play good against the bad teams, and not as well against good teams because they are GOOD teams? :confused Just saying.



And by the way, your anti-bear bias is shining to hilarious proportions when you say that derek andersen and charlie frye would be improvements over Rex, and stating it matter-of-factly. :lol

[Tiduwho]

This is from Peter King's "Fine Fifteen" on SI.com

"8. New England (10-4). A 40-7 win would imply all is well in Patland. All is better. But 230 yards of offense? Against the league's 28th defense? Good thing the Pats had incredible field position all day."


Is that not the most contradicting statement? He says they played well but struggled on offense only getting 230 yds, and says they were saved by good field position. Well, the reason they had low yardage was BECAUSE they had good field position all day. If you are starting drives from the opponents 40 yd line, naturally you are going to have a low total yardage by your offense at the end because you had a short field position and thus needed less yards to get to the end zone. :lol

Sometimes I wonder about some anaylists. A lot of them are just complete morons.

Another thing that gets me about yardage and whatnot, is how they rank defenses...Oakland is what ranked 9th defensively? Cause they allow a low amount of yardage (Which is because their team allows fantastic field position so naturally they arent going to give up much yardage :lol)

I mean they have a solid pass rush, but would you really put them in your top ten if I asked you to list your top 10 defenses right now? I guarantee you that you wouldn't.

Anyways, sorry for my rant, I just found what he posted about the Patriots to be pretty funny. :lol

Yes, wow do I hate it when analysts say stuff like that! When you have great field position, you won't have as many yards even if you're taking it in for scores each time.


Total defense is a pretty big joke to call it "total" when it doesn't even consider the most important part of defense, keeping the other team from scoring. I always like Aikman's Efficiency rankings on D.

[Trippin4136]

This is from Peter King's "Fine Fifteen" on SI.com

"8. New England (10-4). A 40-7 win would imply all is well in Patland. All is better. But 230 yards of offense? Against the league's 28th defense? Good thing the Pats had incredible field position all day."


Is that not the most contradicting statement? He says they played well but struggled on offense only getting 230 yds, and says they were saved by good field position. Well, the reason they had low yardage was BECAUSE they had good field position all day. If you are starting drives from the opponents 40 yd line, naturally you are going to have a low total yardage by your offense at the end because you had a short field position and thus needed less yards to get to the end zone. :lol

Sometimes I wonder about some anaylists. A lot of them are just complete morons.


that's a good point. Right before half time of that game I was checking stats and saw Brady only had around 80 yards passing. My initial thought was he was having a bad game to that point. Then I saw the Pats average starting field position was like midfield.

[Tiduwho]

What's the goal in the game of football, to gain yards or score points? They scored 40, that's all that matters in the playoffs. Analysts are downright silly.

[41ravens]

i think it just hit me how huge next week's game is. not just for division, but for the fact that i don't have to listen to eagles' fans talk about how awesome they are and how they're going to go to the super bowl.

[dmbmuskie]

I think LT moved ahead for good in the MVP voting. I couldn't believe how bad Brees played.

[xBigNastyx]

I think LT moved ahead for good in the MVP voting. I couldn't believe how bad Brees played.

Lt will win the MVP but he shouldn't IMO.

Yes, yes I know how amazing his year as been. But I am one of those who define MVP by "MVP" and not "best player award"

Who is more valuable to their team? LT, or Brees?

DEF Brees, or even Peyton...

If you take LT off the Chargers, they would still be good.

If you take Brees off the Saints, and they would be awful.

Just my opinion.

[SteelerMan]

Lt will win the MVP but he shouldn't IMO.

Yes, yes I know how amazing his year as been. But I am one of those who define MVP by "MVP" and not "best player award"

Who is more valuable to their team? LT, or Brees?

DEF Brees, or even Peyton...

If you take LT off the Chargers, they would still be good.

If you take Brees off the Saints, and they would be awful.

Just my opinion.

That's a valid point. Someone mentioned that LT should be offensive player of the year, while Brees should be MVP. Makes sense to me, although if the last two games look anything like this week, Brees won't have a shot.

[dmbmuskie]

Lt will win the MVP but he shouldn't IMO.

Yes, yes I know how amazing his year as been. But I am one of those who define MVP by "MVP" and not "best player award"

Who is more valuable to their team? LT, or Brees?

DEF Brees, or even Peyton...

If you take LT off the Chargers, they would still be good.

If you take Brees off the Saints, and they would be awful.

Just my opinion.

I agree with you, but I think LT's performances last night destroyed Brees's hope. Rivers was awful, so LT puts up around 170 yards, to get them the win. His numbers are obviously inflated because Marty leaves him in there to score when it is not neccessary, but yesterday he was what an MVP running back should be.

[thebigv]

LT put up 199 yards. They wouldn't have stood a chance last night without him. That 85 yard run was absolutely beautiful and should seal his MVP status. It crushed the Chiefs defense, who could do nothing to stop him.

[Trippin4136]

i think it just hit me how huge next week's game is. not just for division, but for the fact that i don't have to listen to eagles' fans talk about how awesome they are and how they're going to go to the super bowl.

dude, Eagles fans will be, uh, chirping (sorry for the pun) about their team going to the SB if they were 4-10 right now. The Eagles are ALWAYS awesome, didn't you know?

[twosteppinpun]

So, how bout them 9ers, whooping Seattle.
If we run the table, and Seattle loses out, (They gotta play San Diego and Tampa, but after Rattay's performance against the Bears it gives me hope.
49ers have to beat Arizona and Denver :(
Then it's playoff's baby.
And, tell me, who doesn't think Gore doesn't deserve the the Pro-Bowl?:bounce

[VanHorneDog]

LT put up 199 yards. They wouldn't have stood a chance last night without him. That 85 yard run was absolutely beautiful and should seal his MVP status. It crushed the Chiefs defense, who could do nothing to stop him.

to be honest, i think the chiefs went with the: "well, LT is going to beat us anyway so lets take away the pass" and it worked. we scored 10 less points than we normally do because our passing game was not there.

however, what won the game last night (LT or not because that 85 yard run was ALL blocking/speed any fast back with the any vision could have broken that) was our deffense. they gave up 9 points to KC and held LJ to under 70 yards rushing.

looks like the D is back in SD :thumbsup.

watchout seattle. :D

oh, and even without the 85 yard run. LT still outran LJ. :D :thumbsup

[41ravens]

so is this unseasonably warm weather we've been having in the midwest going to affect chicago's homefield advantage? all i'm hearing is how "cold" it is in chicago during january, but it's been in the 40's lately.

[The-Last-Stop]

Whats the spread on tonites game?

[Tiduwho]

so is this unseasonably warm weather we've been having in the midwest going to affect chicago's homefield advantage? all i'm hearing is how "cold" it is in chicago during january, but it's been in the 40's lately.

I'm loving the Indian Summer winters around here the past few years. Ever since I started driving, it feels like it only snows 2 or 3 times all winter and it melts after 4 or 5 days. When I was a kid it was nonstop snow, felt like I was sledding every day. I kinda feel bad for kids now. Global Warming holla? All I know is the weather was COLD and SNOWY when I was a kid, and it's not at all anymore.



But anyways, they had no homefield advantage last year against the Panthers, it was 46 degrees at gametime. It's supposed to be 20 degrees in january in Chicago....but hey, the playoffs are a month away, who knows maybe there will be a blizzard. I love snow games, they are FUN to watch.

[SoRight24]

Go Colts.

I believe thats the first time I've ever said that....

[41ravens]

I'm loving the Indian Summer winters around here the past few years. Ever since I started driving, it feels like it only snows 2 or 3 times all winter and it melts after 4 or 5 days. When I was a kid it was nonstop snow, felt like I was sledding every day. I kinda feel bad for kids now. Global Warming holla? All I know is the weather was COLD and SNOWY when I was a kid, and it's not at all anymore.



But anyways, they had no homefield advantage last year against the Panthers, it was 46 degrees at gametime. It's supposed to be 20 degrees in january in Chicago....but hey, the playoffs are a month away, who knows maybe there will be a blizzard. I love snow games, they are FUN to watch.

word. i hate snow. a lot of people like it, but i'm not one of them. it can stay like this for the rest of the winter for all i care.

[luke7]

Just got home from work...the Bengals still not ready for primetime. Colts fans don't think everything is okay just yet. The Chargers or the Ravens will still give them a beatdown come playoff time.

[emu513]

The Ravens won't give anyone a beatdown. They're not a Super Bowl contender.

The Bengals are really hurting without their starting tackles tonight. They could sure use Willie Anderson and Levi Jones right about now and a new OC.

[emu513]

The Bengals just look like a mess tonight. They should make the playoffs though. They'll get a win v. Denver or Pittsburgh. Who knows what will happen in the playoffs.

[VanHorneDog]

The Bengals just look like a mess tonight. They should make the playoffs though. They'll get a win v. Denver or Pittsburgh. Who knows what will happen in the playoffs.

if they dont win in Denver, they dont go to the playoffs. why? because the Jets and Denver will both have better records.

I expect now that the Broncos and Jets will make the playoffs. The Broncos looked pretty decent yesterday, yes it was Arizona. but they have been improving and getting a lot better. they beat Seattle, who Denver lost to. :)

oh, and id rather have Denver in the playoffs than Cincy, far less dangerous IMO.

[seekupig]

to be honest, i think the chiefs went with the: "well, LT is going to beat us anyway so lets take away the pass" and it worked. we scored 10 less points than we normally do because our passing game was not there.

however, what won the game last night (LT or not because that 85 yard run was ALL blocking/speed any fast back with the any vision could have broken that) was our deffense. they gave up 9 points to KC and held LJ to under 70 yards rushing.

looks like the D is back in SD :thumbsup.

watchout seattle. :D

oh, and even without the 85 yard run. LT still outran LJ. :D :thumbsup

a blocked punt inside your own ten yard line giving you a first and ten leading to an 85 yard TD run didn't hurt either.... :BANG

[Tiduwho]

The Lions are planning a Fire Millen walkout next week in the 2nd quarter, lmao!




In Detroit, some Lions fans are organizing a walkout during Sunday's Bears game to protest the failed regime of club President Matt Millen.

In a "press release" posted by Herbert Nicholl Jr., on his "Fire Millen" Web site, Nicholl writes: "This protest calls for the fans of the Detroit Lions to 'walk-out' of the Christmas Eve game with eight minutes and fifty seven seconds remaining in the second quarter. Everyone should meet in the main atrium by 'The Roar and More' and with three minutes and fifty seven seconds remaining, everyone that is there start chanting in unison our rallying cry, 'Fire Millen!'

"Then at halftime, everyone involved, orderly and politely walk out of the stadium to show Team Owner and Chairman William Clay Ford their disgust with his inaction. This action is directed at the management of the team and not the players on the field which I will continue to support."

[Trippin4136]

The Ravens won't give anyone a beatdown. They're not a Super Bowl contender.

The Bengals are really hurting without their starting tackles tonight. They could sure use Willie Anderson and Levi Jones right about now and a new OC.

look, i know the Bengals beat the Ravens and all, but to say they aren't a Super Bowl contender is so short sighted. The absolutely are. They are the 2nd best team in the NFL.

[dmbmuskie]

The Ravens won't give anyone a beatdown. They're not a Super Bowl contender.

The Bengals are really hurting without their starting tackles tonight. They could sure use Willie Anderson and Levi Jones right about now and a new OC.

You have one of the most highly respected OCs in the bussiness who is going to get a lot of offers in the offseason. I wouldn't be pushing him out the door.

I've seen the Bengals have protection problems all year even when Johnson and Jones are in there.

The Bengals just look like a mess tonight. They should make the playoffs though. They'll get a win v. Denver or Pittsburgh. Who knows what will happen in the playoffs.

Personally, I think the Bengals are in a lot of trouble. It's never easy to win in Denver, and you have to do it on a short week. If the Steelers beat the Ravens, I cannot see the Bengals beating the Steelers in a must win game. If the Steelers lose to Baltimore, I think you guys win on NYE.

[Tiduwho]

Can someone explain to me why Jay Feely, who is currently playing every Sunday, is qualified to be speaking about football and his own team on Cold Pizza? I don't know if "qualified" is the right word, but what in the world is up with that?


What happened to Woody?


And as usual, I'm lmao at Skip Bayless, who just said that the Bengals are #3 in the AFC and Colts are #5 after the Colts absolutely destroyed them just last night.



AND the Philadelphia Eagles, at 8 and 6, as the best team in the NFC. And Washington at #5. Wow, what a tool.

[laststraw41]

I love Woody Paige, Feely is an idiot and there's no reasonable explanation for him being on the show today.

Edit: Way to go Skip, shove it in his face

[Tiduwho]

I love Woody Paige, Feely is an idiot and there's no reasonable explanation for him being on the show today.

Edit: Way to go Skip, shove it in his face

Well at least Feely can make rational power rankings.

[BotheDMBFan]

Can someone explain to me why Jay Feely, who is currently playing every Sunday, is qualified to be speaking about football and his own team on Cold Pizza? I don't know if "qualified" is the right word, but what in the world is up with that?


What happened to Woody?




His sister died of breast cancer, so he moved back to Denver to be around family.

[Tiduwho]

His sister died of breast cancer, so he moved back to Denver to be around family.

Oh, I see. :(

[BotheDMBFan]

That or, he couldn't bear to listen to Skip's mongoloid voice/rants anymore.

[twosteppinpun]

Skip Bayless is a fucktard.

[BotheDMBFan]

No, he's a mongoloid.

[laststraw41]

He's hilarious, I loved that he put the entire NFC East in the top 5, with the exception of the Giants.

Edit: Woody is on ATH right now.. wonder why he was missing earlier..

[BotheDMBFan]

Because he's in Denver, and Cold Pizza is in NYC.

[laststraw41]

Yeah that makes sense.

[dmbmuskie]

Woody went back to be a columnist.

[Dancing Ants]

Romo in the pro bowl!

Terrence Newman was robbed.

[41ravens]

Romo in the pro bowl!

Terrence Newman was robbed.

word. it's already going over great. i know he's only played 8 games, but i can't think of who else should go. eli? grossman? i don't know...

[xBigNastyx]

Romo in the pro bowl!

Terrence Newman was robbed.

Not really.

[Bartender84]

Anquan Boldin over Darrell Jackson? Really? Now that's fucking robbed.

[Dancing Ants]

Not really.

yes really. he's one of the top 3 CBs in the NFC.

[dmbmuskie]

How many teams do you guys really think are legit Super Bowl contenders. My list has 4 teams on it, and maybe the Colts.

1. San Diego
2. Jacksonville
3. Dallas
4. Pittsburgh

[Tiduwho]

How many teams do you guys really think are legit Super Bowl contenders. My list has 4 teams on it, and maybe the Colts.

1. San Diego
2. Jacksonville
3. Dallas
4. Pittsburgh

:lol

You're killing me Smalls! Jax and Pitt though! No NE, Balti, Chi, NO. These are all contenders, Pitt proved it last year that you can't just count out teams.

[Trippin4136]

Pittsburgh? Brah, take off the rose colored glasses

[emu513]

dmbmuskie, you know your football but that top 4 is :freak .

In other news, the Bengals push to the playoffs might have taken a serious setback . . .

Per Profootballtalk.com . . .


CARSON PALMER INJURED?

A reader tipped us off on Tuesday to the possibility that Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer emerged from Monday night's loss to the Colts with an injury. Per the tipster, Palmer has a shoulder injury, possibly a torn rotator cuff.

We've poked around a bit via our network of sources, and we've concluded that there's something to this one. It's our understanding that Palmer is undergoing tests on the shoulder today.

It's the last thing the 8-6 Bengals need as they prepare to face the 8-6 Broncos on Sunday in Denver. The winner will be in great shape for a playoff spot; the loser will be battling with the likes of the Jaguars and the Steelers and the Jets and the Chiefs and the Titans and the Bills (the Bills?) for the six seed.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[Tiduwho]

That's odd about Palmer....hopefully just a rumor. He's an asset to football.


Guess what guys? All charges have been dropped against Tank Johnson. Apparently the guns were all legally bought and registered in Arizona. And they were his dead buddies' and by some other loophole he also didn't violate his Probation.

Hooray for the legal system and its treatment of Pro Athletes! :multi

[dmbmuskie]

I'm dead serious about that top 4. It's not at all a homer pick. When I look at the teams still in the hunt, I come away completely unimpressed. I'll always take the teams with a good offense and defense over teams that are great on one side of the ball, and horrible on the other. That takes Indy, Cincy, and New Orleans out of the picture based on terrible defesne, and Baltimore, Chicago, New England out for bad offense. I'd then get rid of Denver for playing a rookie QB. The NFC west winner could be 8-8.

I really think it'll be San Diego and Dallas playing in Miami.

[Tiduwho]

So what's more important in the playoffs? Racking up yards, or racking up points?


Chicago, New England, and Baltimore are all in the top 12 in ppg.....so these guys are eliminated and yet Pittsburgh has a "good" offense?

[SmoothD41]

Pittsburgh??? I would think it'd be pretty hard to win the Superbowl without making the playoffs.

[thebigv]

Zinger!

[DMBfireDncr41]

Realistically do you guys think that the colts really have the chance to win the big one this year? Is it finally Manning's turn to wear the ring? I know they have a terrible deffense, but if they play decently bad and their offense is on they deffinately have a shot. I think them not being the "favorites" is actually a good thing for once, the spot light is not all on them and if they get homefield i believe they have a good shot. San Diego will be tough, but I think they can take um.

[41ravens]

Realistically do you guys think that the colts really have the chance to win the big one this year? Is it finally Manning's turn to wear the ring? I know they have a terrible deffense, but if they play decently bad and their offense is on they deffinately have a shot. I think them not being the "favorites" is actually a good thing for once, the spot light is not all on them and if they get homefield i believe they have a good shot. San Diego will be tough, but I think they can take um.

LT would have about 300 yds and 5 td's against that D. the colts may have to wait another year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Last year was the Colts LAST CHANCE to get something done, and now, it's gone.

[DMBfireDncr41]

Last year was the Colts LAST CHANCE to get something done, and now, it's gone.
I dissagree, if they don't do it this year who says their defense can't improve next year. It is inevitable that they will have one of the best offenses in the league at least for the next couple of years.

[BotheDMBFan]

They don't need to improve their defense, so much as they need a new head coach.

[DMBfireDncr41]

Dungey is one of the best coaches in the leauge.

[BotheDMBFan]

Dungey is one of the best coaches in the leauge.

Yeah, but he can't win the big one.....and neither can Manning.

Besides, it worked for Tampa didn't it?

[DMBfireDncr41]

Yeah, but he can't win the big one.....and neither can Manning.

Besides, it worked for Tampa didn't it?

Yeah, i guess you're right they should probably let Manning go too.

[BotheDMBFan]

Yeah, i guess you're right they should probably let Manning go too.

They could probably sign a defense....but that's neither here nor there.

[Trippin4136]

They could probably sign a defense....but that's neither here nor there.

are you really implying the Colts part with Peyton Manning?

[DMBfireDncr41]

are you really implying the Colts part with Peyton Manning?
Tell me about it, that would be the dumbest move in the history of sports I don't care how much they have to pay for him hes worth it.

[BotheDMBFan]

are you really implying the Colts part with Peyton Manning?

No, it was a joke.

[DMBfireDncr41]

No, it was a joke.
I thought you were being serious there for a minute...(O ya sorry if I was kind of a dick didn't mean to be no hard feelings)

[Tiduwho]

Pittsburgh??? I would think it'd be pretty hard to win the Superbowl without making the playoffs.

I thought I said that in my post.

[Tiduwho]

Last year was the Colts LAST CHANCE to get something done, and now, it's gone.

Kinda like how Elway's last chance was in the 80s.

[xBigNastyx]

Dungey is one of the best coaches in the leauge.

I disagree.

I also think the Colts could use a new head coach.

[VanHorneDog]

9 pro bowl chargers! woot

and i still think we should have had more. Only 1 O-Lineman??? thats bull. and what about Donnie Edwards??? he is having another great year or Phillips??? 10 1/2 sacks. but, i guess the league is full of great rush ends now. :shrug

[VanHorneDog]

a blocked punt inside your own ten yard line giving you a first and ten leading to an 85 yard TD run didn't hurt either.... :BANG

true, but we still would have won 13-12 :lol

also, its not the chargers fault that the Cheifs are not as trained as NIU who did the same thing BUT DIDNT TOUCH THE BALL!

i mean honestly, you block a punt, no matter what you get the ball where it lands unless you TOUCH THE BALL!

we took advantage of it like good teams do. :D

[luke7]

Last week the majority of the media jumped on the Bengals bandwagon to beat the Colts which I knew wouldn't happen. Looks like this week Jacksonville is the pick to beat the Pats. If I were a betting man I would go with New England.

[dmbmuskie]

So what's more important in the playoffs? Racking up yards, or racking up points?


Chicago, New England, and Baltimore are all in the top 12 in ppg.....so these guys are eliminated and yet Pittsburgh has a "good" offense?

I didn't want to get into some sort of huge statisitical breakdown of the teams still alive. I went strictly with the eye ball test. Week in and week out anything can happen in the NFL, but those are the teams I would go to war with.

Statisitically, San Diego is the number 1 scoring offense and number 8 scoring defense. Dallas's defense doesn't look as good by the numbers as it does in my head. Jacksonville is the number 3 scoring defense and 10th scoring offense. Pittsburgh is the 8th scoring offense and 9th scoring defense. Both Jacksonville and Pittsburgh have a good shot of missing the playoffs all together. New England is another team that looks much better statistically than they do to the naked eye. Chicago looks good offensively, but they've scored so much without the offense being on the field it's hard to judge.

[dmbmuskie]

Last week the majority of the media jumped on the Bengals bandwagon to beat the Colts which I knew wouldn't happen. Looks like this week Jacksonville is the pick to beat the Pats. If I were a betting man I would go with New England.

It depends on what Jacksonville team shows up. The team that killed some of the better teams in the league or the team that lost to the Texans twice.

[Jsweeney]

i like the Ravens to sneak through if McNair gets healthy...I think they will handle all AFC teams...I of course could be crazy saying that but damn that d is good....
in the NFC, it really is a tournament and whichever team is hottest through Jan will go and that could be seed 1-6...

[Tiduwho]

I didn't want to get into some sort of huge statisitical breakdown of the teams still alive. I went strictly with the eye ball test. Week in and week out anything can happen in the NFL, but those are the teams I would go to war with.

Statisitically, San Diego is the number 1 scoring offense and number 8 scoring defense. Dallas's defense doesn't look as good by the numbers as it does in my head. Jacksonville is the number 3 scoring defense and 10th scoring offense. Pittsburgh is the 8th scoring offense and 9th scoring defense. Both Jacksonville and Pittsburgh have a good shot of missing the playoffs all together. New England is another team that looks much better statistically than they do to the naked eye. Chicago looks good offensively, but they've scored so much without the offense being on the field it's hard to judge.


Sure, but despite that Rex is still 4th in the league in TD passes. Jones and Benson each have 6 apiece. It's either 30+ points when Rex is on, or 13 to 20 when Rex is off.

[VanHorneDog]

Sure, but despite that Rex is still 4th in the league in TD passes. Jones and Benson each have 6 apiece. It's either 30+ points when Rex is on, or 13 to 20 when Rex is off.

yeah, but if they play a competent offense, i dont think the deffense can carry them right now. :shrug

[Tiduwho]

yeah, but if they play a competent offense, i dont think the deffense can carry them right now. :shrug

That's why they stuck with Rex, in case the defense can't get it done like last year in the playoff game.

[VanHorneDog]

That's why they stuck with Rex, in case the defense can't get it done like last year in the playoff game.

well, im not convinced Rex can carry them.

[Tiduwho]

well, im not convinced Rex can carry them.

Don't be. No one is. I meant that the Bears stuck with Rex because he gives them a puncher's chance if the defense gives up a bunch of points like last year.

[VanHorneDog]

Don't be. No one is. I meant that the Bears stuck with Rex because he gives them a puncher's chance if the defense gives up a bunch of points like last year.

well, you are 12-2 with Rex as your quarterback. :lol

hope to see the bears in the Super Bowl... i think Bears Vs Chargers would be a good one.

[Tiduwho]

well, you are 12-2 with Rex as your quarterback. :lol

hope to see the bears in the Super Bowl... i think Bears Vs Chargers would be a good one.

Indeed. I don't think we could stop LT though now. Without Mike Brown, Tommie, and maybe Tank, I wouldn't like our chances.

[luke7]

Last week the majority of the media jumped on the Bengals bandwagon to beat the Colts which I knew wouldn't happen. Looks like this week Jacksonville is the pick to beat the Pats. If I were a betting man I would go with New England.

I knew it.

[luke7]

Just got home from work...the Bengals still not ready for primetime. Colts fans don't think everything is okay just yet. The Chargers or the Ravens will still give them a beatdown come playoff time.

I had a feeling. Posted this during the Bengals vs Colts game...Indy still can't stop the run. Countdown till Tony Dungy's firing next season begins now.

[emu513]

Jones-Drew or VY for ROY?


Jones-Drew here and I love VY.

[Tiduwho]

Jones-Drew or VY for ROY?


Jones-Drew here and I love VY.

That's tough. Jones-Drew has the great stat advantage, but Vince Young has single-handedly brought life back to the Titans franchise.

[Tiduwho]

Why Mike Williams is still in the NFL is beyond me, 5 drops today, including the game winner. He's worse than Charles Rogers, at least Charlie McCrack was hurt for two years.

[Tiduwho]

Defensive Rookie of the Year?


I submit Mark Anderson's resume: 12 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. :D

[xBigNastyx]

You guys remember when someone here said that Pittsburgh was still a top team?

[saygdbye4134]

da bears.


:lol stupid colts.

and how about vince and the titans?