NFL Football 2006-2007

[luke7]

Ben-gals playing like they don't want to make the playoffs.

[Trippin4136]

god that was brutal.

[luke7]

Coughlin is getting fired after this season. Dungy will get canned next year and Nick Saban will be on the hot seat.

[Trippin4136]

no way is Saban on the hot seat. He has too much power in that franchise and is still working with a 1/2 a QB.

[Bartender84]

No way anyone who was watching the game can deny Seattle got screwed. Burleson returned a kickoff for a TD in the 3rd quarter, but it was called back because of "holding" that even the announcers knew didn't happen.

At least we still won the division, but this just fucking sucks. We played the best game of the year but lost due to a bullshit penalty and one screwup on defense at the end.

[luke7]

no way is Saban on the hot seat. He has too much power in that franchise and is still working with a 1/2 a QB.

As a long time Dolphins fan ( since 1988 ) I would hate to think that he will not be on the hot seat. Not this year but next year. What has he proven so far ? One thing he has proven is that his team can't start a season playing winning football. 3-7 to start 2005 and 1-6 to start 2006. By the time they start playing better it's all for nothing. If they start next season like they did Saban's first two seasons he should be on the hot seat.

[Trippin4136]

the Dolphins don't have a QB. You don't have a strong QB you don't win. Period.

Had they signed Brees and not Culpepper (something that will haunt them), they wouldn't be sitting at 6-8 right now.

[Bartender84]

Eh, I'm over it now. It just really sucks when they play their best game all year against the supposed best team in the NFL and lost it in the very end.

I know we're probably not going anywhere in the playoffs. I just really wanted this win.

[luke7]

the Dolphins don't have a QB. You don't have a strong QB you don't win. Period.

Had they signed Brees and not Culpepper (something that will haunt them), they wouldn't be sitting at 6-8 right now.

They haven't had a QB since Marino. Jay Fiedler was a very average qb and they still managed to make the playoffs more than once. I think it goes beyond the qb with Saban.

[Trippin4136]

Regardless, Saban isn't going anywhere.

[41ravens]

thanks, giants. douchebags. and they'll still most likely make the playoffs. how lame is that?

[41ravens]

and yet again, the bears look strong against an nfl powerhouse.

[newscane]

Jones-Drew or VY for ROY?


Jones-Drew here and I love VY.
I'd vote for MJD, but I may be slightly biased as a Jaguars fan :)

His stats are record-shattering. Today he became the first Jaguar to have 2,000 all-purpose yards in a season. He has 15 total TDs (12 rushing, 2 receiving, 1 return) -- he could very well tie or break the franchise record of 17 (Fred Taylor: 14 rushing, 3 receiving, also as a rookie). MJD has taken some of the rushing load off of Fred Taylor, which probably has helped him be a much more durable back this season. His returns have been huge for field position. And he doesn't give up. Did you see that run today??

[Trippin4136]

thanks, giants. douchebags. and they'll still most likely make the playoffs. how lame is that?

its ridiculous. totally.

Aikman said it best when he said "they look like they don't even want to go to the playoffs based on the way they carry themselves". I agree.

[41ravens]

the nfc is just gross. i try to defend it, but this year just isn't looking good. our best team has barely beat the bucs and the lions in consecutive weeks. everyone's inconsistent. and if they all lose, there could very well be a 7-9 team in the playoffs. dallas will probably beat the eagles tomorrow and then lose to the lions at home next week. that's just how things have been going.

[newscane]

the nfc is just gross. i try to defend it, but this year just isn't looking good. our best team has barely beat the bucs and the lions in consecutive weeks. everyone's inconsistent. and if they all lose, there could very well be a 7-9 team in the playoffs. dallas will probably beat the eagles tomorrow and then lose to the lions at home next week. that's just how things have been going.
Yeah... when I saw that SF was *just* eliminated from playoff contention at 6-9, I realized the NFC is pretty sad these days.

I'm in the middle of reading a book titled "The Making of the Super Bowl" -- it was written by a guy who was PR director then executive director of the NFL for many years. It starts back with the NFL-AFL merger days, when there were concerns by some that the AFL wouldn't be up to snuff. Then the AFL teams won two of the first four NFL-AFL/Super Bowl games...

[Trippin4136]

Since and including Super Bowl XXXII - The AFC has won 7 of 9 Super Bowls...before that, the NFC won 13 straight Super Bowls. I guess you can say its cyclical.

[RJ2kWJ]

Watching Monday Night Countdown... Irvin's bias towards the Cowboys is ridiculously annoying. Steve and Tom disagree with him on every single thing haha.

[dmblynny]

Watching Monday Night Countdown... Irvin's bias towards the Cowboys is ridiculously annoying. Steve and Tom disagree with him on every single thing haha.
I can't stand watching that man commentate. He's SO bias it's not even funny and it so comes out when they play Philly. CAN'T TALK ANY SH*T ANYMORE!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH:bounce

[xBigNastyx]

the Dolphins don't have a QB. You don't have a strong QB you don't win. Period.

Had they signed Brees and not Culpepper (something that will haunt them), they wouldn't be sitting at 6-8 right now.


Harrington is better than Grossman. And the Bears win without a good QB, so that theory isn't entirely true.

[Tiduwho]

Harrington is better than Grossman. And the Bears win without a good QB, so that theory isn't entirely true.

:rolleyes

[xBigNastyx]

:rolleyes

What's so crazy about that?

[Tiduwho]

What's so crazy about that?

Can't wait to hear your reasoning...is there even one stat he's better than Rex in? Does he have more TDs than INTs yet? He's only played 11 games, and he only has two less INTs than Rex. Worse passer rating, worse y/attempt. Let me guess, he's had nothing to work with his whole career after having horrible receivers like Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, and Marty Booker? If he had Grossman's receivers (you know, that core that was "one of, if not the worst in the league" coming into the season), he would be teh awesome right?

:rolleyes

[Ascf33]

thanks, giants. douchebags. and they'll still most likely make the playoffs. how lame is that?

Very lame... and I am a Giants fan.

[xBigNastyx]

Can't wait to hear your reasoning...is there even one stat he's better than Rex in? Does he have more TDs than INTs yet? He's only played 11 games, and he only has two less INTs than Rex. Worse passer rating, worse y/attempt. Let me guess, he's had nothing to work with his whole career after having horrible receivers like Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, and Marty Booker? If he had Grossman's receivers (you know, that core that was "one of, if not the worst in the league" coming into the season), he would be teh awesome right?

:rolleyes

If I were starting from scratch I would rather have Harrington...Keep in mind that Harrington doesn't have the o-line that Rex does..

By the way, Muhammed and Berrian are better than Chambers, Booker IMO...Chambers is the most over rated reciever in a while.

[xBigNastyx]

Can't wait to hear your reasoning...is there even one stat he's better than Rex in? Does he have more TDs than INTs yet? He's only played 11 games, and he only has two less INTs than Rex. Worse passer rating, worse y/attempt. Let me guess, he's had nothing to work with his whole career after having horrible receivers like Roy Williams, Chris Chambers, and Marty Booker? If he had Grossman's receivers (you know, that core that was "one of, if not the worst in the league" coming into the season), he would be teh awesome right?

:rolleyes


Who ever said that the Bears had the worst recievers going into the season? Or did you dream that up to strengthen your argument?

[Trippin4136]

By the way, Muhammed and Berrian are better than Chambers, Booker IMO...Chambers is the most over rated reciever in a while.

I want to hear why Chambers is overrated. The guy went to the Pro Bowl in 2005 with Gus Fucking Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels throwing to him.

He was a 2nd round pick that has totalled averages of 61 catches and 872 yards person season. He has 10 fumbles (2 lost) in 6 seasons. And he's not an "ideal" WR at 5'11" What exactly makes him overrated?

Nobody ever said he was the next Rice or Cris Carter. But he's a damn good wideout who's a solid deep threat.

[Tiduwho]

Who ever said that the Bears had the worst recievers going into the season? Or did you dream that up to strengthen your argument?


Ask any Bears fan anywhere. Ever. It's not a hard thing to forget. Going into the season it was "Muhammad is a #2 receiver at best, and the rest of their receivers are a crapshoot". If you remember, Berrian hadn't done anything in his 3 year career up to that point besides catch a couple passes from Craig Krenzel two years ago. Bradley had a breakout game, but then tore his ACL in 2005. Gage sucked, and still sucks. Rashied Davis was some bum from the Arena league that would be lucky to make the team.


Don't know how I could dig up some of the stuff, but I remember vividly that CBSsportsline ranked their receiving core 29th or 30th. But hey, I'm sure there's junk at the beginning of this thread saying just that (not to mention Grossman is a top 30 QB at best chatter).

[thebigv]

Many people were burnt by Chambers not performing fantasy-wise this year. That's where a lot of people get that he's overrated. I'm not saying that's what he was saying, but I know a lot of people that have said that.

[Trippin4136]

Many people were burnt by Chambers not performing fantasy-wise this year. That's where a lot of people get that he's overrated. I'm not saying that's what he was saying, but I know a lot of people that have said that.

oh of course! I forgot. BigNasty, and many in the general population, tend to value a player's actual worth based wholly on fantasy.

[thebigv]

I didn't say that...but the fantasy 'gurus' labeled him as a can't miss in many leagues. Thus requiring the 'total bust' category in many of the same sportswriters columns, without merit. Chambers hasn't had the ball thrown to him nearly as much in years past.

[Trippin4136]

fantasy football has way too much influence over the perception of actual football.

[UNC41]

Chambers isn't a posession receiver. That's the role he played this year. Harrington couldn't throw an effective deep ball. He didn't put up great numbers when Culpepper was playing, although two of his four TD catches did come from Daunte, but Culpepper's knee hampered his mobility in the pocket and the o-line was playing so bad at the time he wasn't able to throw the deep ball effectively. If Daunte comes back healthy next year, I expect Chambers' numbers to drastically rise.

[thebigv]

Very true, Bryan.

How'd you make out in FFB? I won most of my leagues, and won $750 in my pay leagues. It was a good year.

[UNC41]

Out of my two money leagues I won one and took fourth in the other. The one I took fourth in would have probably gone better had they told me we needed two starting QBs. The combination of Kitna, Favre and Roethlisberger killed me.

[Tiduwho]

Two starting QBs...hmmm interesting but don't know if I'd like it.

[thebigv]

I am not a fan of the two starting QBs. If you're going to get unique with that position, take the 'team QB' stance.

[UNC41]

I didn't like two QBs at all. It was also my first time drafting defensive players, so fourth wasn't too bad.

[thebigv]

Jesus christ, two QBs AND IDP? That's ridiculous. Did you have 50 rounds?

[UNC41]

21 rounds.

Also, apparently Romo is not banging Jessica Simpson. He's banging Carrie Underwood.

[xBigNastyx]

oh of course! I forgot. BigNasty, and many in the general population, tend to value a player's actual worth based wholly on fantasy.


Keep making up stuff. You have no idea why I said Chambers is over rated, so don't fucking act like you know everything.

[Trippin4136]

Keep making up stuff. You have no idea why I said Chambers is over rated, so don't fucking act like you know everything.

i'm not making anything up. I can deduce it from your posts about who is overrated and who is not.

I also asked you why you thought Chambers was overrated and I await a response.

[thebigv]

21 rounds.

Also, apparently Romo is not banging Jessica Simpson. He's banging Carrie Underwood.

Poor guy. Even if he does give Carrie herpes, I call dibs.

[Trippin4136]

21 rounds.

Also, apparently Romo is not banging Jessica Simpson. He's banging Carrie Underwood.

poor Romo :lol

[UNC41]

Poor guy. Even if he does give Carrie herpes, I call dibs.

poor Romo :lol

I think we've discovered the Cowboys recent struggles. The earlier Dallas is out of the playoffs, the more dirty sex Romo gets to have with Carrie.

[Trippin4136]

:lol or maybe he's having to much sex with her and that's fucking with his head.

You know, like in Raging Bull how DeNiro didn't let his wife touch him so he could perform more acutely and with more rage.

[UNC41]

You could be on to something. But what guy would ever turn down Carrie.

[xBigNastyx]

i'm not making anything up. I can deduce it from your posts about who is overrated and who is not.

I also asked you why you thought Chambers was overrated and I await a response.


You said that the reason I say Chambers is over rated is because of fantasy. That is false. Therefor you MADE IT UP.

I think he is over rated because he underachieves...Don't give me that bad QB crap...Plenty of recievers deal with weak QB and still do a good job...

Chambers stats last year are inflated by a GIANT 2 game stretch...The rest of his year was completely mediocre.


And that arguement that he is "only 5-11" is bs also.

Steve Smith, Boldin, Housh, Jackson, Coles, etc are all 5-11 or under...and they all weigh less than Chambers except Boldin...

But yeah, keep making up stuff about me, it's GROOOOOOVY.

[Tiduwho]

Carrie Underwood is even better IMO.

[Trippin4136]

weak QB? What WR does as much with just as weak or weaker QB tandem than Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels?

How exactly does underachieve? Isn't ultimately up to the QB to deliver the ball to the wide receiver?

5'11" is not bs. Good for those guys. They've made careers for themselves while playing under more scrutinized characteristics.

And again, I don't need to make anything up. Your posts say it all.

And I did NOT say you said Chambers is overrated b/c of fantasy. I theorize that you undervalue a player's actual worth, whoever it is, on the field because of fantasy.

[UNC41]

I think he is over rated because he underachieves...Don't give me that bad QB crap...Plenty of recievers deal with weak QB and still do a good job...

Chambers stats last year are inflated by a GIANT 2 game stretch...The rest of his year was completely mediocre.

Chambers averaged 993 and 9.66 touchdowns in the three years before this one. Two games does not inflate those numbers to make them significantly better than they are. The bottom line is, he's put up good numbers.

Yes, plenty of receivers put up good numbers with a weak QB, but how many of those receivers biggest strength is clear as a deep threat when they haven't played with a QB who can throw a solid deep ball at any point in their career? Not many.

And, aside from this year, has Chambers honestly not done a good job? He has. This year has not been good as Culpepper's lack of mobility due to his still injured knee prevented him from having time to throw the ball deep and Harrington quickly made it clear Booker was his favorite receiver.

[thebigv]

2005 - 82 rec, 1118 yds, 11 TDs.

Week 13 (BUF) & 14 (SD) combined - 23 rec, 359 yds, 3 TDs

Total % of stats in 2005 from those two games - 28% rec, 32% yds, 27% tds.

In case anyone was curious of the impact of his two biggest games last year...

[UNC41]

2005 - 82 rec, 1118 yds, 11 TDs.

Week 13 (BUF) & 14 (SD) combined - 23 rec, 359 yds, 3 TDs

Total % of stats in 2005 from those two games - 28% rec, 32% yds, 27% tds.

In case anyone was curious of the impact of his two biggest games last year...

Strikingly similar to the impact of Chad Johnson's two biggest games this year.

[xBigNastyx]

weak QB? What WR does as much with just as weak or weaker QB tandem than Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels?

How exactly does underachieve? Isn't ultimately up to the QB to deliver the ball to the wide receiver?

5'11" is not bs. Good for those guys. They've made careers for themselves while playing under more scrutinized characteristics.

And again, I don't need to make anything up. Your posts say it all.

And I did NOT say you said Chambers is overrated b/c of fantasy. I theorize that you undervalue a player's actual worth, whoever it is, on the field because of fantasy.

You made up the fact that I value players depending on fantasy. And since I don't, that would have to mean you made it up. Ya follow me?

[Trippin4136]

2005 - 82 rec, 1118 yds, 11 TDs.

Week 13 (BUF) & 14 (SD) combined - 23 rec, 359 yds, 3 TDs

Total % of stats in 2005 from those two games - 28% rec, 32% yds, 27% tds.

In case anyone was curious of the impact of his two biggest games last year...

Spread it out over 16 weeks.

That's 5 catches, 69 yards each week with 1 or 0 TDs a week. Not numbers one would flip over, but you look at the full body of work and it's a Pro Bowl season.

[xBigNastyx]

By the way, you can be a good player and be over rated. I didn't say he wasn't good, but he is talked about as one of the best recievers and he simply isn't.

[Trippin4136]

You made up the fact that I value players depending on fantasy. And since I don't, that would have to mean you made it up. Ya follow me?

I do follow you. And once again, based on your past postings I believe you too much stock in one's fantasy performance when measuring their actual value to a team. You follow?

[xBigNastyx]

Spread it out over 16 weeks.

That's 5 catches, 69 yards each week with 1 or 0 TDs a week. Not numbers one would flip over, but you look at the full body of work and it's a Pro Bowl season.


Which is NOT good. He isn't consistent at all.


By the way, you say he has a weak QB throwing to him, how come Booker is having one of his best years right now?

[xBigNastyx]

I do follow you. And once again, based on your past postings I believe you too much stock in one's fantasy performance when measuring their actual value to a team. You follow?
But you said that I did that, you made an incorrect assumption and stated it as though it were a fact, which was wrong on your part. So logic would say that since you stated it as though it were a fact, even though it was false means YOU MADE IT UP.

[Trippin4136]

Which is NOT good. He isn't consistent at all.


By the way, you say he has a weak QB throwing to him, how come Booker is having one of his best years right now?

The same way Chambers had a breakout year with Gus Frerotte throwing to him

You also realize the Dolphins have 4 guys with at least 50 catches. The emergence of no-name Wes Welker. The Dolphins built a patchwork offense this year under two different QBs. It has effected Chambers.

[Trippin4136]

Which is NOT good. He isn't consistent at all.


By the way, you say he has a weak QB throwing to him, how come Booker is having one of his best years right now?

What receiver is THAT consistent? What WR has 6 catches for 100+ yards and a TD every week? In the end they are reliant on another person getting the ball to them in a much lower percentage play. No WR will ever attend that great of consistency.

[xBigNastyx]

The same way Chambers had a breakout year with Gus Frerotte throwing to him

You also realize the Dolphins have 4 guys with at least 50 catches. The emergence of no-name Wes Welker. The Dolphins built a patchwork offense this year under two different QBs. It has effected Chambers.


Last year he had two fluke games that inflated his stats.


I swear you just like to argue. I state my OPINION and get pissed on by people who think they are on a high horse, as yourself.

[UNC41]

By the way, you can be a good player and be over rated. I didn't say he wasn't good, but he is talked about as one of the best recievers and he simply isn't.

This year he was talked about a guy who many thought would make the jump from very good to one of the best. Those predictions did not hold to be true. Not once did I hear Chambers as one of the top 5 receivers in the NFL heading into this season. All I heard was he has the potential to have a breakout year and many fantasy rankings/"gurus" rated him high due to this.

[xBigNastyx]

What receiver is THAT consistent? What WR has 6 catches for 100+ yards and a TD every week? In the end they are reliant on another person getting the ball to them in a much lower percentage play. No WR will ever attend that great of consistency.


Plenty of recievers average more than 69 yds a game.

[Trippin4136]

Last year he had two fluke games that inflated his stats.


I swear you just like to argue. I state my OPINION and get pissed on by people who think they are on a high horse, as yourself.

im having a debate here man. you are the one flipping your shit with the obsession of people making stuff up about you.

For the last time, I make that deduction from your prior posts. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But that's what I gauge from your opinions.

[Trippin4136]

Plenty of recievers average more than 69 yds a game.

Obviously, but it doesn't mean they actually get 69 yards EVERY game.

[xBigNastyx]

This year he was talked about a guy who many thought would make the jump from very good to one of the best. Those predictions did not hold to be true. Not once did I hear Chambers as one of the top 5 receivers in the NFL heading into this season. All I heard was he has the potential to have a breakout year and many fantasy rankings/"gurus" rated him high due to this.


I'd agree with that.

A lot of people thought that he was going to incredible after his breakout TWO GAMES last year, and I just don't see it ever happening, which made me say he is over rated.

[xBigNastyx]

Obviously, but it doesn't mean they actually get 69 yards EVERY game.

What's your point? Chambers doesn't get 69 every game either man. But when you average yardage per game, CHambers is VERY low on the list.

[UNC41]

Which is NOT good. He isn't consistent at all.


By the way, you say he has a weak QB throwing to him, how come Booker is having one of his best years right now?

He averaged almost 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns a year for over three years. That's not too bad when it comes to consistency.

Booker was Harrington's favorite receiver from the beginning. Is is just a coincidence that Culpepper started four games and threw two touchdowns to Chambers and Harrington started 11 games and threw two touchdowns? I doubt it.

You've refuted everyone elses posts, but mine. This is interesting because I've given solid arguments every time and not one of them have been touched.

[xBigNastyx]

He averages 56 yds a game in his career

[Trippin4136]

What's your point? Chambers doesn't get 69 every game either man. But when you average yardage per game, CHambers is VERY low on the list.

Just b/c a guy averages more than 69 yards (as that seems to be our benchmark) doesn't mean he's all THAT consistent.

Example, Andre Johnson, Pro Bowler, averages roughly 80 yards a game. But he's had only 4 100 yard games this year. He's had more games of less than 60 yards. 20 of his league leading 101 catches came in 2 games. This is exactly the same kind of patterns you criticize Chambers for.

No WR will ever attain some miracle consistency. That is my point.

Shit...Indy blows the doors off the Eagles 45-21. Guess what Marvin did that night...1 catch. 8 yards.

[Trippin4136]

I'm heading home.

UNG, a pleasure as always.

Peace all.

[xBigNastyx]

He averaged almost 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns a year for over three years. That's not too bad when it comes to consistency.

Booker was Harrington's favorite receiver from the beginning. Is is just a coincidence that Culpepper started four games and threw two touchdowns to Chambers and Harrington started 11 games and threw two touchdowns? I doubt it.

You've refuted everyone elses posts, but mine. This is interesting because I've given solid arguments every time and not one of them have been touched.

I already said I agreed. You got me with the consistency thing. My statement about that was more based on his two games last year that inflated his stats. Aside from that 3 game stretch last year against Oak, Buf, and SD, he had only 3 games where he gained more than 75 yds.


Basically what I am saying is he either has a HUGE game or does NOTHING..

For example. One game he gets 160 yds, the very next he gets 45. Over a two game total, looking at the total yds (205) that sounds good over two games cause it's a 100 yd average. But is actually inflated due to the previous game. This is my perception of Chambers. He is either completely worthless, or has a huge game, and the perception of him is that he is a big time reciever, but IMO he isn't there yet.

[xBigNastyx]

I'm heading home.

UNG, a pleasure as always.

Peace all.

Wish I could say the same.

[UNC41]

Plenty of recievers average more than 69 yds a game.

I'd agree with that.

A lot of people thought that he was going to incredible after his breakout TWO GAMES last year, and I just don't see it ever happening, which made me say he is over rated.

Two AFC receivers and one TE averaged more than 69 yards a game last year. One scored more touchdowns than he did. Chambers definitely deserved to go to the Pro Bowl.

People weren't thinking Chambers was going to breakout this year due to those two games. They thought that because for the first time in his career he had someone who could throw a legit deep ball in Daunte Culpepper. Those people, however, did not know that Culpepper's knee was not fully healed and the Miami o-line would be so bad at the beginning of the year. Daunte simply had no time due to poor blocking and a lack of mobility due to his bum knee to find Chambers with deep balls.

[xBigNastyx]

Just b/c a guy averages more than 69 yards (as that seems to be our benchmark) doesn't mean he's all THAT consistent.

Example, Andre Johnson, Pro Bowler, averages roughly 80 yards a game. But he's had only 4 100 yard games this year. He's had more games of less than 60 yards. 20 of his league leading 101 catches came in 2 games. This is exactly the same kind of patterns you criticize Chambers for.

No WR will ever attain some miracle consistency. That is my point.

Shit...Indy blows the doors off the Eagles 45-21. Guess what Marvin did that night...1 catch. 8 yards.


EXACTLY! And he has Carr throwing to him. He has 4 100 yd games THIS year. Chambers has 4 in the past 2 years COMBINED. So yeah.

[UNC41]

Basically what I am saying is he either has a HUGE game or does NOTHING..

For example. One game he gets 160 yds, the very next he gets 45. Over a two game total, looking at the total yds (205) that sounds good over two games cause it's a 100 yd average. But is actually inflated due to the previous game. This is my perception of Chambers. He is either completely worthless, or has a huge game, and the perception of him is that he is a big time reciever, but IMO he isn't there yet.

I completely agree he has often been hit or miss when it comes to yards, but aside from this year he has been able to impact games by scoring. Those two big games you have referenced only accounted for 3 of his 11 touchdowns last year. He caught seven the year before in seven different games the year before. In 2003, he scored in eight games. That's pretty consistent.

Your perception of Chambers is completely due to yardage. If that's the only way you look at it I can see your argument, but touchdowns have to factor in there. After all, you can have all the yards you want, but they don't mean shit if your team doesn't get into the end zone.

I also don't think he has seen as a big time receiver. He's seen as a good one with a chance to get great. As I've said before, his strengh is clearly as a deep threat. When you have never played with a QB who can throw a decent deep ball, it's going to be hard to live up to that potential.

[UNC41]

EXACTLY! And he has Carr throwing to him. He has 4 100 yd games THIS year. Chambers has 4 in the past 2 years COMBINED. So yeah.

I don't think it's fair to throw in this year. He's clearly been the No. 2 option after Harrington immedietly fell in love with Booker. The two years before than he had 7, and I think that's more of a fair judgment.

[xBigNastyx]

I don't think it's fair to throw in this year. He's clearly been the No. 2 option after Harrington immedietly fell in love with Booker. The two years before than he had 7, and I think that's more of a fair judgment.


I was just saying that in reference to his statement about Johnson and how he "only" has 4 100 yd games this year.

[Trippin4136]

I also don't think he has seen as a big time receiver. He's seen as a good one with a chance to get great. As I've said before, his strengh is clearly as a deep threat. When you have never played with a QB who can throw a decent deep ball, it's going to be hard to live up to that potential.

I agree. It was never my intention to defend him as a superstar wide receiver. I just disagree with the perception that he's somehow overrated. He's a quality young receiver that has proven his ability in the league. Also realize, he had Brooks Bollinger throwing to him in college in a run first offense featuring Ron Dayne. He's done all he can given his history in the league with supbar QBs and erratic offenses in Miami. This is why I don't take stock in any cliche as to his rating as a wide receiver.

that is my final opinion on this matter.

[xBigNastyx]

I agree. It was never my intention to defend him as a superstar wide receiver. I just disagree with the perception that he's somehow overrated. He's a quality young receiver that has proven his ability in the league. Also realize, he had Brooks Bollinger throwing to him in college in a run first offense featuring Ron Dayne. He's done all he can given his history in the league with supbar QBs and erratic offenses in Miami. This is why I don't take stock in any cliche as to his rating as a wide receiver.

that is my final opinion on this matter.

I don't consider players with 5+ years of NFL experience "young players".

The only reason I said he was over rated is because I have heard from people that he is a top notch reciever, and I don't think he is top of the line yet. Does he have that potential? He sure does. But he isn't there yet, which is why I said he is over rated. I think some of you think over rated means bad. Which is not the case AT ALL.

[VanHorneDog]

so.... 14-2? will the bears and the chargers both win this weekend?

will they both go 16-2 and face for the ultimate showdown?

all questions that need answers.

GO chargers!

:D

[UNC41]

I don't consider players with 5+ years of NFL experience "young players".

The only reason I said he was over rated is because I have heard from people that he is a top notch reciever, and I don't think he is top of the line yet. Does he have that potential? He sure does. But he isn't there yet, which is why I said he is over rated. I think some of you think over rated means bad. Which is not the case AT ALL.

Just because your friends think someone is an elite receiver who is not does not make that player overrated. It means they know nothing about football. I have never heard the words top notch or elite used in reference to Chambers without the word potential before them.

[xBigNastyx]

Just because your friends think someone is an elite receiver who is not does not make that player overrated. It means they know nothing about football. I have never heard the words top notch or elite used in reference to Chambers without the word potential before them.

Who said I heard it from my friends?

And couldn't you say that about ANYONE? Anyone who over rates someone you could use the argument "they arent over rating them, they just don't know anything about football."

That's a sorry arguement man.

[SoRight24]

God, I'm just hoping we don't fuck up and lose to the Raiders tommorow.

If that happens, put me on suicide watch....

[UNC41]

Who said I heard it from my friends?

And couldn't you say that about ANYONE? Anyone who over rates someone you could use the argument "they arent over rating them, they just don't know anything about football."

That's a sorry arguement man.

Well, I've never talked to anyone or remember hearing anyone I consider knowledgable about football to say Chambers is an elite receiver. I'm sure people have, but people have also claimed Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL. By your logic I think that would make Brady, and probably 95% of the NFL, overrated.

[xBigNastyx]

Well, I've never talked to anyone or remember hearing anyone I consider knowledgable about football to say Chambers is an elite receiver. I'm sure people have, but people have also claimed Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL. By your logic I think that would make Brady, and probably 95% of the NFL, overrated.


Whatever you say man, whatever you say...:rolleyes

[seekupig]

well, it doesn't look likely but my Chiefs can still make the playoffs. here's the scenario it would take for them to get the wild card.......

KC beats Jacksonville (game is @ Arrowhead)
New England beats Tennessee
Pittburgh beats Cincinnati
San Francisco beats Denver

i'd feel a lot better about their chances if Pittsburgh and San Fran had anything left to play for.....

that 4th quarter collapse against the Browns a few weeks ago looks like it may have been the season ender....:BANG

[VanHorneDog]

Well, I've never talked to anyone or remember hearing anyone I consider knowledgable about football to say Chambers is an elite receiver. I'm sure people have, but people have also claimed Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL. By your logic I think that would make Brady, and probably 95% of the NFL, overrated.

um, if i had a choice of all quarterbacks in the league ill take the guy who led 3 teams to 3 super bowl wins.

brady wins, flat out. he is the best QB in the league, sometimes statistics are way overrated.

[SoRight24]

Just WIN today!

[CrashDMB237]

And the Jets are headed to Indy!

Anyone else think that we can actually pull off a win in Indy? I think Leon Washington can run up a storm against that awful run D. Too bad our corners will get burned.

[DMBfan41]

Giants are officially in!

Yeah, i said it!

[41ravens]

And the Jets are headed to Indy!

Anyone else think that we can actually pull off a win in Indy? I think Leon Washington can run up a storm against that awful run D. Too bad our corners will get burned.

actually, i don't think this has been decided yet. if denver loses, you guys will get the 5 seed and then if indy wins or ne loses, ne will be the 4 seed. therefore, you guys would have to go to new england. and no offense, but i don't give you guys a chance against indy or new england.

and dallas is in a dogfight with fucking detroit of all teams. i don't think i'm gonna like the playoffs too much.

[CrashDMB237]

actually, i don't think this has been decided yet. if denver loses, you guys will get the 5 seed and then if indy wins or ne loses, ne will be the 4 seed. therefore, you guys would have to go to new england. and no offense, but i don't give you guys a chance against indy or new england.

and dallas is in a dogfight with fucking detroit of all teams. i don't think i'm gonna like the playoffs too much.

Uh... we almost beat the Colts and DID beat the Pats IN New England...

[41ravens]

Uh... we almost beat the Colts and DID beat the Pats IN New England...

i know, but it's the playoffs. completely new season. all right, maybe indy. but the jets will not beat the pats in new england in the playoffs.

[xBigNastyx]

Good game by Dallas today. God I love seeing them come back to reality. :lol

[SoRight24]

I wonder what dumbass statement the Dallas lockeroom will churn out this week.

[DMBfan41]

this is what its all about.

Denver in overtime, trying to get to the playoffs!

[seekupig]

well, it doesn't look likely but my Chiefs can still make the playoffs. here's the scenario it would take for them to get the wild card.......

KC beats Jacksonville (game is @ Arrowhead)
New England beats Tennessee
Pittburgh beats Cincinnati
San Francisco beats Denver

i'd feel a lot better about their chances if Pittsburgh and San Fran had anything left to play for.....

that 4th quarter collapse against the Browns a few weeks ago looks like it may have been the season ender....:BANG

:lol :lol :lol

:multi :multi :multi

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!

[xBigNastyx]

:lol :lol :lol

:multi :multi :multi

GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!



Glad to see your team make it. And I LOOOOVVVVEEED seeing SF beat Denver.

[xBigNastyx]

The real Grossman is back! Mr turnover!.


Man he sucks.

[Tiduwho]

Don't worry, it's all part of the plan.

[SoRight24]

Damn, were the Broncos a disappointment or what??

[Tiduwho]

Damn, were the Broncos a disappointment or what??

Panthers and Dolphins much larger.

[Bartender84]

Good news: Got a win going into the playoffs, and they've looked much better the last two weeks

Bad news, for me at least: Gotta play the Cowboys, my other team. Of course I am rooting for Seattle, but it's going to be sad no matter what

[DMBfan41]

Gonna hopefully be a good sunday.

Got the Jets and the Giants playing back to back. Let's pull off some upsets New York!

[bigmac#41]

Has anyone seen the 07 schedule? As usual the Pats get screwed by the league!

[Tiduwho]

Has anyone seen the 07 schedule? As usual the Pats get screwed by the league!


It's set in advance years beforehand. :rolleyes

[41ravens]

all right, let's make some predictions. and yes, be as big of a homer as you want.

dallas over seattle
eagles over giants (i want the giants to win, but i don't see it happening)

colts over chiefs
patriots over jets

second round:
cowboys over bears (a boy can dream, can't he?)
saints over eagles

pats over chargers
ravens over colts

championships:
saints over cowboys
ravens over pats

super bowl:
ravens over saints


i honestly don't see the cowboys beating seattle, but if they can, i'd love nothing more than for them to beat the bears. chargers look like the best, but i think the playoff experience of the other teams is going to get them. i think the colts can win at home, but larry johnson is going to have a ridiculous game. i think the ravens defense is going to win them the super bowl.

[CrashDMB237]

Has anyone seen the 07 schedule? As usual the Pats get screwed by the league!

Yea you guys really got screwed this year huh? :rolleyes

Remember, there are 3 other teams in your division, my Jets being one of them... the schedule you have is the schedule we have. Nobody is screwing the Pats. Get over it.

[DMBfan41]

yeah, i think the Ravens will win it all.

no one hears anything about them, and they had a hell of a year. Dominant defense

[Trippin4136]

Has anyone seen the 07 schedule? As usual the Pats get screwed by the league!

oh give me a break.

it's called schedule rotation.

and when you win the division, you get tougher opponents.

[SoRight24]

Yeah wtf.

The whole AFC East has to play to same teams. Nobody got screwed....

[41ravens]

jim mora and dennis green are the first coaching casualties.

and where's everyone seeing these schedules?

[FunkyTeaParty]

The schedule is based on where you finished this year and pre-determined divisions that your division plays.

They can figure it out as soon and the final standings are set. I am guessing nfl.com or the teams' website will have them.

[41ravens]

yeah, i found it. thanks, though.

looks like we go to chicago next year. might see if i can't get some tickets to that. being in central il, i haven't really gotten to go to many cowboys games. zero, to be exact.

[dmbmuskie]

Roughing the passer has just got to be fixed. It's pathetic what gets called. It's even starting to trickle down to the college level. I'd almost guarantee a playoff game swings on a bullshit roughing the passer call.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Roughing the passer has just got to be fixed. It's pathetic what gets called. It's even starting to trickle down to the college level. I'd almost guarantee a playoff game swings on a bullshit roughing the passer call.

What bothers me is that the roughing calls seem so arbitrary. Sometimes things are okay and sometimes they aren't.

I hate that the took away "down by contact". It amazes me that a guy can recover a fumble after the whistle has blown and have it be valid. It happened in the Denver/San Fran game yesterday.

If a playoff game swings on a call like that there is going to be hell to pay.

Overall I think the officials had a good year, but the memory of the total officiating meltdowns in last year's playoffs really stick with me. The officials basically tainted a Super Bowl. If they do it again this year the credibility of the league will be at stake.

[dmbmuskie]

What bothers me is that the roughing calls seem so arbitrary. Sometimes things are okay and sometimes they aren't.

I hate that the took away "down by contact". It amazes me that a guy can recover a fumble after the whistle has blown and have it be valid. It happened in the Denver/San Fran game yesterday.

If a playoff game swings on a call like that there is going to be hell to pay.

Overall I think the officials had a good year, but the memory of the total officiating meltdowns in last year's playoffs really stick with me. The officials basically tainted a Super Bowl. If they do it again this year the credibility of the league will be at stake.

I think a lot of it has to do with who the Qb getting hit is. I'm sure there is some research out there on the "pay for every statistic ever" sites that has looked into this.

I'm a Steelers fan so I didn't think the officiating was bad in the Super Bowl. That's a minority opinion though.

[DMBfan41]

Next year:

Giants vs Jets, and its a Giants home game. That's what it's all about!

[xBigNastyx]

Yeah wtf.

The whole AFC East has to play to same teams. Nobody got screwed....

Not really....


Did Miami play Cincy? Nope

Did Buffallo play Cincy? Nope

Did the Jets play Cincy? Nope

Did the Pats play Cincy? Yep

Most of the schedule is the same among division teams, but there are a few games that are different....So don't go saying they have the exact same schedule, cause that is completely false.

[xBigNastyx]

What bothers me is that the roughing calls seem so arbitrary. Sometimes things are okay and sometimes they aren't.

I hate that the took away "down by contact". It amazes me that a guy can recover a fumble after the whistle has blown and have it be valid. It happened in the Denver/San Fran game yesterday.

If a playoff game swings on a call like that there is going to be hell to pay.

Overall I think the officials had a good year, but the memory of the total officiating meltdowns in last year's playoffs really stick with me. The officials basically tainted a Super Bowl. If they do it again this year the credibility of the league will be at stake.

IMO the officials have gotten worse and worse every year. There wasn't any game this year where I could honestly say wow this was a well called game...

The officials continue to make completely ridic calls.

They will be rolling along calling a pretty good game, and then make a call that makes you go WHAT. THE. FUCK?

The roughing the passer shit needs to be fixed. It is ridiculous.

Gene Austin's crew needs to be fired. He leads the league in calls overturned (which means he calls the wrong call most of the time and gets it over turned because of challenges...)

He continues to be the worst official I have ever seen.

Another thing that bugs me that was worse last year and kind of improves this year was the throwing a flag, then picking it up and saying "there was no flag on the play"..Those disrupt a flow of a game big time.

IMO, the officials need to be re-evaluated...

And I hate to sound like a bias Pats fan...But if the Pats get fucked in the ass by Gene Austin and his crew AGAIN in the playoffs, I am going to be one pissed of dude.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Not really....


Did Miami play Cincy? Nope

Did Buffallo play Cincy? Nope

Did the Jets play Cincy? Nope

Did the Pats play Cincy? Yep

Most of the schedule is the same among division teams, but there are a few games that are different....So don't go saying they have the exact same schedule, cause that is completely false.


Those are the games that are decided by your order of finish.

Want an easier schedule? Stop coming in 1st.

[xBigNastyx]

Those are the games that are decided by your order of finish.

Want an easier schedule? Stop coming in 1st.

I never said I wanted an easier schedule, nor was I complaining about the schedule.

I was refuting whoever said that all teams in the same division play the exact same teams cause that is completely wrong...

[FunkyTeaParty]

You play 13 of the same teams. Pretty close.

[Trippin4136]

I never said I wanted an easier schedule, nor was I complaining about the schedule.

I was refuting whoever said that all teams in the same division play the exact same teams cause that is completely wrong...

this pretty much how it works...I'll use the Giants and Redskins as the example.

The NFC East played the AFC South, the entire NFC South and, obviously, the division, so that's 14 games.

Then, as the division winner in 2005, the Giants played the other 2005 division winners in 2006. They played the Bears and Seahawks.

The Redskins, since they finished 2nd in the NFC East in 2005, they played Minnesota and St. Louis, who finished 2nd in their respective divisions in 2005.

Same schedule planning works in both conferences, in all divisions across the league.

[SoRight24]

Next year:

Giants vs Jets, and its a Giants home game. That's what it's all about!

Our battles will be legendary. ;)

[Trippin4136]

The Giants have won the last 3 regular season matchups (could be longer, but I can't find anything regarding it)

2003: Giants 31 - Jets 28
1999: Giants 41 - Jets 28
1996: Giants 13 - Jets 6

[SoRight24]

The Giants have won the last 3 regular season matchups (could be longer, but I can't find anything regarding it)

2003: Giants 31 - Jets 28
1999: Giants 41 - Jets 28
1996: Giants 13 - Jets 6

True, but now that both teams are pretty much even, it should be fun to watch.

At least next year...

[Trippin4136]

Giants-Jets is always fun to watch with such huge bragging rights on the line.

I was just posting the scores so you all could see.

[xBigNastyx]

this pretty much how it works...I'll use the Giants and Redskins as the example.

The NFC East played the AFC South, the entire NFC South and, obviously, the division, so that's 14 games.

Then, as the division winner in 2005, the Giants played the other 2005 division winners in 2006. They played the Bears and Seahawks.

The Redskins, since they finished 2nd in the NFC East in 2005, they played Minnesota and St. Louis, who finished 2nd in their respective divisions in 2005.

Same schedule planning works in both conferences, in all divisions across the league.

I know how it works.

[dmbmuskie]

If you know how it works how can you say the Pats got screwed?

[xBigNastyx]

If you know how it works how can you say the Pats got screwed?


Show me where I said that?



And did you even read my posts? Or just completely make up the fact that I said we were screwed?

[seekupig]

Show me where I said that?

:thumbsup

bigmac#41 said it, you just always take the brunt of anything regarding the Pats.... :lol

[xBigNastyx]

:thumbsup

bigmac#41 said it, you just always take the brunt of anything regarding the Pats.... :lol

Apparently...


I've been saying for a while now. A lot of people around here just like to completely make up stuff...



By the way, good luck in the playoffs, I'll be rooting for y'all to beat the Colts...

[boobookittyfuk]

i don't know if this was brought up yet, but the official draft order for next year's been put out...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2715578

[xBigNastyx]

Guess who had the easiest schedule this year?






Yep you guessed it! Chicago! How obvious.....

[boobookittyfuk]

gee what's wrong with this picture here. dennis green gets fired from the arizona cardinals yesterday. ya think it was mostly his fault they didn't go anywhere? this was a team's won once in the last 22 years. and yet, the director of player/personnel gets a new contract :ugh :lol
hmmm... :rolleyes

and, granted, not that i can say i really knew much about edegerrin james to begin with, but i imagine i lost some respect for him seeing when he signed in arizona, i mean c'mon, you know that had to be all about the money. he sincerely believed (especially coming from indy) he had a better shot in fucking ARIZONA to get a ring?? :ugh

[SmoothG]

Guess who had the easiest schedule this year?



Yep you guessed it! Chicago! How obvious.....

Not sure what your point here. Is it that Chicago is overrated? The Pats SOS is the 3rd worst...barely beating out Dallas by .004 for second worst behind the Bears. Not sure what any of that proves...we'll have to see what these teams bring to the playoffs to see who is the real deal.

[Trippin4136]

I know how it works.

easy there cowboy.

I wasn't throwing it at you. I just quoted you. I posted that so everyone could get a grasp on how the scheduling works.

But that response, right there, with that attitude, is why you catch so much flack.

[xBigNastyx]

easy there cowboy.

I wasn't throwing it at you. I just quoted you. I posted that so everyone could get a grasp on how the scheduling works.

But that response, right there, with that attitude, is why you catch so much flack.

I didn't say "I know how it works" with an attitude man...I was just responding to your explanation...It's human nature. When someone says something you already know, you say "I already know" or "I know how it works".

[Tiduwho]

Hooray! Matt Millen is coming back for another year! He's earned it, that's for sure.


Who do you guys think is the best receiver in the draft this year?

[thebigv]

Calvin Johnson. Look for him in Honolulu Blue next year.

[UNC41]

Calvin Johnson, and there's a good amount of distance between him and the No. 2 receiver.

[xBigNastyx]

Calvin Johnson is by far the best WR.

[xBigNastyx]

I REALLY hope that Oakland doesn't get Calvin Johnson. And I really hope that Atlanta doesn't trade Shaub to Oakland for their first round pick (I've heard rumors about this) so that Atlanta can draft Johnson.


I loved watching Johnson play while going to Tech games, and I want to see him go somewhere where he can have a good QB throw to him...

[dmbmuskie]

I just have a gut feeling that Johnson would never live up to they hype that comes with being the first pick in the draft, but few ever do.

[Trippin4136]

Mike Williams, Donte Stallworth, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Carlos Rogers, Peter Warrick all stand out as WRs taken in the top 10 that have done virtually nothing.

But Braylon Edwards will be a great one if the Browns could ever find a strong QB

Besides Edwards, all I can think of are Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald that were top flight picked WR that have/will pan out.

[SteelerMan]

Don't forget Troy Edwards. Blech.

[Trippin4136]

yea he was up there.

I was mostly just listing the top 2 WR picks from recent drafts

[dmbhoosier21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720086

Bears quarterback Rex Grossman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6358) says he learned an important lesson by not giving it "100 percent" while preparing for Chicago's regular-season finale against the Green Bay Packers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb) last Sunday.


The lesson?


"In this league, especially at this position, you have to bring it every single week, no matter what," Grossman told the Chicago Sun-Times for Thursday's editions. "And the situation was I felt like I was going to play about a half, and it was the last game, it was New Year's Eve -- there were so many other factors that brought my focus away from what is actually important, and that's something that I am never going to do again.



SO WHAT! It's your job to play football for millions of dollars AND there can never be an excuse for his 1st half rating against GB

[41ravens]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720610

well, he tried. and that's all anyone can ask for, right?

[GOB_]

Show me where I said that?



And did you even read my posts? Or just completely make up the fact that I said we were screwed?

Although you may not have said it in the previous quote you have questioned why the Pats have one of the toughest schedules every year earlier in this thread. :shrug

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5209235&postcount=1990

[SoRight24]

Great career move that Shell made when going back to Oakland. :lol

[xBigNastyx]

Although you may not have said it in the previous quote you have questioned why the Pats have one of the toughest schedules every year earlier in this thread. :shrug

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5209235&postcount=1990

Congrats on digging that up. You must have had a lot of free time.

[GOB_]

Congrats on digging that up. You must have had a lot of free time.

:lol No. I just have a good memory. I mean, I did reply to your question.

[HolyCow]

Ok, here are my playoff picks.

Round 1 NFC:
Cowboys over Seahawks
Eagles over Giants

Round 1 AFC:
Colts over Chiefs
Jets over Patriots

Round 2 NFC:
Bears over Cowboys
Saints over Eagles

Round 2 AFC:
Chargers over Jets
Ravens over Colts

Round 3 NFC:
Bears over Saints

Round 3 AFC:
Ravens over Chargers

Super Bowl:
Bears over Ravens

[Ascf33]

I'll play too... :)

Round 1 NFC:
Cowboys over Seahawks
Giants over Eagles

Round 1 AFC:
Colts over Chiefs
Jets over Patriots

Round 2 NFC:
Cowboys over Bears
Saints over Giants

Round 2 AFC:
Chargers over Jets
Colts over Ravens

Round 3 NFC:
Saints over Cowboys

Round 3 AFC:
Chargers over Colts

Super Bowl:
Chargers over Saints

[DMBfan41]

Round 1 NFC:
Seahawks over Cowboys
Giants over Eagles

Round 1 AFC:
Colts over Chiefs
Jets over Patriots

Round 2 NFC:
Giants over Bears
Saints over Seahawks

Round 2 AFC:
Chargers over Jets
Ravens over Colts

Round 3 NFC:
Saints over Giants

Round 3 AFC:
Ravens over Chargers

Super Bowl:
Saints over Ravens

[Bartender84]

Wild Card:
Chiefs over Colts
Seahawks over Cowboys (we've improved over the last two weeks, while they've gotten worse. at least we managed to beat the Lions)

Patriots over Jets
Eagles over Giants


Divisional:
Chargers over Chiefs
Seahawks over Bears (this really depends on how well Grossman plays. If he plays well, we don't have much of a chance to beat them, but I have a feeling he will screw up)

Ravens over Patriots
Saints over Eagles

Conference:
Saints over Seahawks (being realistic here, their offense is just too good and our defense is not)
Ravens over Chargers

Super Bowl:
Ravens over Saints

[Ascf33]

At least most of us agree the Saints will win the NFC.

[41ravens]

:lol

i love how we all have our own teams against the saints in the nfc championship.

[Ascf33]

I have the Giants losing to the Saints... but back in Round 2. :lol

[SoRight24]

Anybody but Philly or Dallas in the NFC and I'm happy.

I'd rather the Giants go. A Jets-Giants Super Bowl, holy shit.

Haha, not that I think my Jets will get that far. ;)

[DMBfan41]

the Giants can't face the Saints, they are the 6th seed. If they win, they go to Chicago

[HolyCow]

:lol

i love how we all have our own teams against the saints in the nfc championship.
We have to! :lol

Looking back, I can't believe I picked the Bears to win the Super Bowl, but hey, they are my team and I had to make the homer pick.

[Tiduwho]

And Tony Romo single-handedly (pun intended) blows the Cowboys season.

[DMBfan41]

i can't believe it. Wow. Why would you have your starting QB the holder?

So the man that saves the cowboys season, blows it as well and not even as a QB, but as a holder.

Unbelievable

[41ravens]

i can't believe it. Wow. Why would you have your starting QB the holder?

So the man that saves the cowboys season, blows it as well and not even as a QB, but as a holder.

Unbelievable

he's been the holder all year.

[SoRight24]

Backup qb is almost always the holder.

Romo was the backup at the beginning so therefore, he was the holder.

[DMBfan41]

i know he's been and he was the backup. But still.

Why not let Bledsoe take care of the holding, one less thing for Romo to think about

[SoRight24]

Bledsoe is too old to even be the holder.

He'd probably find a way to fuck it up more than Romo did....

[41ravens]

no, it was the right move. he should've been out there. it should've been automatic, but it wasn't. it was his hold to fuck up, though.

[SoRight24]

Its funny cause I'm sure some people will try and find a way to blame this on Parcells.

It had nothing to do with him though...

[VanHorneDog]

that was a great game, Tony Romo is a loser.

[DMBfireDncr41]

How bout my Colts :multi

[DMBfan41]

Here's to NBC though.

Their coverage this year has been excellent i think.

[VanHorneDog]

How bout my Colts :multi

you guys suffer from a case of the other team sucked worse. that was a terrible game.

[DMBfan41]

The Colts Defense shut down Larry Johnson and there were 0 receptions by the KC WR's. I give them plenty of credit.

But, they gotta go up against the Ravens D next week. Peyton's gotta get back to his game or they're gonna have no chance

[dmbhoosier21]

The Colts Defense shut down Larry Johnson and there were 0 receptions by the KC WR's. I give them plenty of credit.

But, they gotta go up against the Ravens D next week. Peyton's gotta get back to his game or they're gonna have no chance

Well yeah, I dont know any Indy fan that is banking on the defense to suddenly morph into the 85' Bears. The Colts will win (or lose) on the shoulders of Manning and Co.

[achota33]

the Giants can't face the Saints, they are the 6th seed. If they win, they go to Chicago
which they will lose, like they did the first time they played us

[Benco]

Well yeah, I dont know any Indy fan that is banking on the defense to suddenly morph into the 85' Bears. The Colts will win (or lose) on the shoulders of Manning and Co.

Even with their great performance tonight, I'm not sold at all. Look for the Ravens to run over the Colts. Sorry boys, this is one isn't even close.

Prediction:
BAL : 27
IND : 13

[Benco]

which they will lose, like they did the first time they played us

Oh man, another mistake. Maybe I'm crazy, but I really can't trust Jeff Garcia in the playoffs. Look for NY to win a close one. Phillys miracle run has to end sometime. Regardless, neither of these teams have a prayer in the 2nd round.

[dmbhoosier21]

Even with their great performance tonight, I'm not sold at all. Look for the Ravens to run over the Colts. Sorry boys, this is one isn't even close.

Prediction:
BAL : 27
IND : 13

Any knowledgeable observer of Indy that have watched that D throughout the season will not be completely convinced either. 13 or so games of utter ineptitude does not get erased with one game - that's obvious.

But with Manning and that offense (yeah, they looked relatively bad tonight) - it'll be a close game.

[Benco]

Any knowledgeable observer of Indy that have watched that D throughout the season will not be completely convinced either. 13 or so games of utter ineptitude does not get erased with one game - that's obvious.

But with Manning and that offense (yeah, they looked relatively bad tonight) - it'll be a close game.


Maybe you're right. The line opened @ BAL -4.5 . Look for that to move to at around 6 during the week, I think the smart money is on the Ravens.

[VanHorneDog]

Even with their great performance tonight, I'm not sold at all. Look for the Ravens to run over the Colts. Sorry boys, this is one isn't even close.

Prediction:
BAL : 27
IND : 13


you give the ravens offense a lot of credit. i really dont think they are that good.

defense is great, but to score 5 times? i doubt it.

[VanHorneDog]

Any knowledgeable observer of Indy that have watched that D throughout the season will not be completely convinced either. 13 or so games of utter ineptitude does not get erased with one game - that's obvious.

But with Manning and that offense (yeah, they looked relatively bad tonight) - it'll be a close game.

its simple, the two big games where people said that the colts will get run over by the other teams run game. they won

cincy and KC. im skeptical, but i wouldnt be suprised to see them shut down the ravens offense.

[dmbhoosier21]

Maybe you're right. The line opened @ BAL -4.5 . Look for that to move to at around 6 during the week, I think the smart money is on the Ravens.

Manning will always give the Colts a shot unless the Ravens somehow manage to get Ty Law this week - that guy has Manning's #

Although two of Manning's interceptions was due to miscommunication with Harrison. It was apparent on the replay - and Manning made the "right" read, unfortunately Harrison thought otherwise.

[dmbhoosier21]

its simple, the two big games where people said that the colts will get run over by the other teams run game. they won

cincy and KC. im skeptical, but i wouldnt be suprised to see them shut down the ravens offense.

That'd be great.

The huge difference this week was that the Indy D stayed home - cut backs was a huge problem for the Colts throughout the season - hopefully they keep it up next week.

[Tiduwho]

Manning will always give the Colts a shot unless the Ravens somehow manage to get Ty Law this week - that guy has Manning's #

Although two of Manning's interceptions was due to miscommunication with Harrison. It was apparent on the replay - and Manning made the "right" read, unfortunately Harrison thought otherwise.


If anyone calls you a Manning homer then I will personally say that they are idiots.

[achota33]

Oh man, another mistake. Maybe I'm crazy, but I really can't trust Jeff Garcia in the playoffs. Look for NY to win a close one. Phillys miracle run has to end sometime. Regardless, neither of these teams have a prayer in the 2nd round.
yeah i agree, i was talking about the bears anyway not the eagles

[xBigNastyx]

Romo fucked up big time, but that wasn't the only reason they lost the game. They had numerous chances to win the game...So his hold fuck up isn't the only problem...It's just the play that sticks out...


Peyton Manning continues to be a regular season QB...

He threw 3 picks...don't claim they were Harrison's fault and make excuses. Peyton threw picks, that's the bottom line...

Colts won't beat Baltimore.

I think Philly will beat NYG.

IMO, NYG don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.

[dre2142]

Cowboys still win witht he +3 points in the betting world. WOOT!

[dmbhoosier21]

Romo fucked up big time, but that wasn't the only reason they lost the game. They had numerous chances to win the game...So his hold fuck up isn't the only problem...It's just the play that sticks out...


Peyton Manning continues to be a regular season QB...

He threw 3 picks...don't claim they were Harrison's fault and make excuses. Peyton threw picks, that's the bottom line...

Colts won't beat Baltimore.

I think Philly will beat NYG.

IMO, NYG don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.

Did you watch the game? I watched every sec. of that game. I am the first to say that Manning definitely looked skittish and did not play a good game. Seriously how many times have you watched Manning play (I have watched just about every game he has played in the NFL? Both INTs were right to Ty Law, Manning maybe a choke artist, he may force some passes into double coverages, but two of the INTs was right to Ty Law - Manning is as accurate as any QB gets, it was obvious that Manning thought that Marvin was going to go the other way.

Even Chris Collinsworth said the same thing when viewing the replay of the INTs. He watched the game and I am guessing he knows a thing or two about football. If you think every INT thrown by QBs are automatically a QB's fault you are an idiot. Maybe it wasn't all of Marvin's fault but it def. was not all Manning's fault. Manning made one read (IMO the right one as evidenced by the replay) and Harrison made another - unfortunate and disastrous if they don't get it fixed before next week.

[dre2142]

Officiating wasnt the greatest in that game either...though the Seahawks were owed some good calls.

[Bartender84]

And now we have to go back to Chicago. I've been hoping for this rematch all year long. They beat the Panthers in the regular season last year, and lost to them in the playoffs. And their defense is not as good as it was in week 4.

But as far as I'm concerned, this game comes down to how well Grossman plays. If he is good, Seattle won't win. If he is bad, they won't get a free win like the Cards gave them.

[RJ2kWJ]

Looks like the Falcons obtained Petrino from Louisville.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2723700

[xBigNastyx]

Did you watch the game? I watched every sec. of that game. I am the first to say that Manning definitely looked skittish and did not play a good game. Seriously how many times have you watched Manning play (I have watched just about every game he has played in the NFL? Both INTs were right to Ty Law, Manning maybe a choke artist, he may force some passes into double coverages, but two of the INTs was right to Ty Law - Manning is as accurate as any QB gets, it was obvious that Manning thought that Marvin was going to go the other way.

Even Chris Collinsworth said the same thing when viewing the replay of the INTs. He watched the game and I am guessing he knows a thing or two about football. If you think every INT thrown by QBs are automatically a QB's fault you are an idiot. Maybe it wasn't all of Marvin's fault but it def. was not all Manning's fault. Manning made one read (IMO the right one as evidenced by the replay) and Harrison made another - unfortunate and disastrous if they don't get it fixed before next week.

Never did I say that. I am one of the people who claim that a lot of Favre's INTs as of late have not been his fault because a lot of them are tipped by his recievers..


I just said what I said because you sounded like you were saying Peyton played perfect and the INTs were not at all on his shoulders...And that's bs. The miscommunication is both Harrison and Peyton's fault.

[dmbhoosier21]

Never did I say that. I am one of the people who claim that a lot of Favre's INTs as of late have not been his fault because a lot of them are tipped by his recievers..


I just said what I said because you sounded like you were saying Peyton played perfect and the INTs were not at all on his shoulders...And that's bs. The miscommunication is both Harrison and Peyton's fault.

:lol Played perfect?!?!?!? Far far far from it

If Peyton would've played "perfect" the score would have been in the 40s at the very very least.

[VanHorneDog]

the only INTs that arent a QBs fault are the ones where the reciever gets hit in the hands and misses it and is intercepted.

why? becuase they could have done something different to not have it happen. and inch to the left or the right for example.

payton trusts his recievers on those routs, so payton puts his trust that his reciever does the job. if he didnt, those INTs wouldnt have happend. there fore paytons fault for trying to be the best QB in the league.

[dmbmuskie]

the only INTs that arent a QBs fault are the ones where the reciever gets hit in the hands and misses it and is intercepted.

why? becuase they could have done something different to not have it happen. and inch to the left or the right for example.

payton trusts his recievers on those routs, so payton puts his trust that his reciever does the job. if he didnt, those INTs wouldnt have happend. there fore paytons fault for trying to be the best QB in the league.

That's not even close to the truth. NFL QBs are the best of the best, and I'd say less than half of the interceptions they throw are their fault. There are tipped balls, reciever run the wrong routes, bad luck, and amazing defensive plays. You very rarely see a ball thrown right at the defender at the pro level.

[VanHorneDog]

That's not even close to the truth. NFL QBs are the best of the best, and I'd say less than half of the interceptions they throw are their fault. There are tipped balls, reciever run the wrong routes, bad luck, and amazing defensive plays. You very rarely see a ball thrown right at the defender at the pro level.

well, i was sharing my opinion so its not really the truth now is it? maybe i should have been more clear. i have problems with that too.

tipped balls - find a different passing lane, check down, wait a second or take the sack.

reciever run the wrong routes - QBs have to trust their recievers to do what they think they are doing. if they dont trust them on these routes that require timing they wont throw the ball. its the QBs fault for trusting the reciever. yeah sucks for the reciever the the blame is on the QB for throwing the ball. he doesnt have to.

amazing defensive plays - usually come form a stupid decision or a poor pass anyway.

the QB throws the ball, therefore what ever happens to the ball after the QB releases it is his fault.

now, interceptions happen thats part of throwing, they arent the end of the world. (see paytons 3 INTs yesterday) but, that stat shouldnt have an * next to it for tipped balls or reciever incompetence.

they where all his fault, because he threw the ball.

[dmbmuskie]

A passing play is just 3 seconds of pure chaos normally. It's so hard to comprehend what actually happpens.

I'll throw a couple situations out there for you, all of which I saw this season. It's 3rd and 3, and the defense blitzes. The first option is a quick in. The blitz is picked up, and one of the blitzers gets absolutely blasted backwards by the guard. He ends up right in the throwing lane where he picks the ball off. This all happens in about 2 seconds. How is that the QBs fault?

I got a couple more, I'll throw at you tommorrow.

[dmbhoosier21]

the only INTs that arent a QBs fault are the ones where the reciever gets hit in the hands and misses it and is intercepted.

why? becuase they could have done something different to not have it happen. and inch to the left or the right for example.

payton trusts his recievers on those routs, so payton puts his trust that his reciever does the job. if he didnt, those INTs wouldnt have happend. there fore paytons fault for trying to be the best QB in the league.

Eh, i disagree with the same reasoning as dmbmuskie

It was obvious yesterday that 2 of the INTs were as a result of a miscommunication between Manning and Harrison.

Let's just assume that we agree on the above, then the fault must be put on both players no matter who made the "right" read (although IMO, I thought Manning made the correct read, but that's irrelevant) INTs that result from miscommunication is blamed on both players. It is as much a receiver's job to read the defense and run the appropriate route as it is for a QB to read the defense and make the appropriate adjustment for the whole offensive unit. Ultimately, the two INTs have to be blamed on both Manning and Harrison.

[dmbhoosier21]

well, i was sharing my opinion so its not really the truth now is it? maybe i should have been more clear. i have problems with that too.

tipped balls - find a different passing lane, check down, wait a second or take the sack.

reciever run the wrong routes - QBs have to trust their recievers to do what they think they are doing. if they dont trust them on these routes that require timing they wont throw the ball. its the QBs fault for trusting the reciever. yeah sucks for the reciever the the blame is on the QB for throwing the ball. he doesnt have to.

amazing defensive plays - usually come form a stupid decision or a poor pass anyway.

the QB throws the ball, therefore what ever happens to the ball after the QB releases it is his fault.

now, interceptions happen thats part of throwing, they arent the end of the world. (see paytons 3 INTs yesterday) but, that stat shouldnt have an * next to it for tipped balls or reciever incompetence.

they where all his fault, because he threw the ball.

Can't blame Manning for assuming Harrison was going to run the "right" route considering the years of success they have had together. A lot of their success over the years has been directly due to the duo's ability to be on the same page in reading defenses. Sometimes shit just happens - can't expect them to be on the same page on every play (although a majority of the time they are)

Manning is known for his work and preparation - no doubt he will watch film of the INTs and make the proper adjustments with Harrison.

[VanHorneDog]

ok fine, ill accept there are special circumstances. but the quarterback does the throwing. if we are going to herald them for how wonderful their team is, then they should be butchered if they lose or do somethign stupid.

[BotheDMBFan]

And now we have to go back to Chicago. I've been hoping for this rematch all year long. They beat the Panthers in the regular season last year, and lost to them in the playoffs. And their defense is not as good as it was in week 4.

But as far as I'm concerned, this game comes down to how well Grossman plays. If he is good, Seattle won't win. If he is bad, they won't get a free win like the Cards gave them.

We beat the Panther's, we fucking DESTROIED the Seahawks.

Also, Lovie won't let them be lazy like they were the second time against Carolina again

[UNC41]

There is no favorite in the NFC right now. I hope nobody claims any win in that conference before the Super Bowl is an upset.

[Bartender84]

We beat the Panther's, we fucking DESTROIED the Seahawks.

Also, Lovie won't let them be lazy like they were the second time against Carolina again
And Grossman played good in that game, which is my point. This game depends on him. If he plays like he is supposed to, nobody can beat Chicago.

[Bartender84]

Oh, and while we're on the topic of laziness, don't expect the Hawks to get lazy and just give up like they did in the second half in that blowout.

[dmbhoosier21]

ok fine, ill accept there are special circumstances. but the quarterback does the throwing. if we are going to herald them for how wonderful their team is, then they should be butchered if they lose or do somethign stupid.

Completely agree

I have been saying the same thing about Manning and the Colts for years, especially last year when they lost to the Steelers. With all the praise Manning gets for Indy's success, it is only fair that he ultimately gets blamed anytime the Colts lose - regardless of the circumstance. Like last year against the Steelers when Manning was under pressure all game long (even though during the year Manning was barely touched) - he is the leader and star of the team - don't care what the O-line did, it was his fault.

Although I think this is only true with star QBs such as Manning, Brady etc...with all the credit they get, it's only fair that they get the brunt of the blame anytime their team "sputters" no matter the circumstance.

[dmbhoosier21]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/01/07/snap.judgments/1.html

• Ty Law has Manning's number like no other defender in the NFL. His nine career interceptions against the Colts quarterback is far and away the most in the league. But two quick points: Law's two picks of Manning on Saturday looked to be the fault of Marvin Harrison's route-running, and both of Manning's passes were thrown right to him, making them interceptions of the Larry Brown against Neil O'Donnell variety.

[Trippin4136]

did anyone realize that NO ONE touched Ty Law on that 2nd INT?

seriously, he should have been able to run to the end zone, but the refs called him down, but it certainly wasn't by contact b/c no Colts player touched him.

Even the announcers didn't say anything.

[xBigNastyx]

That's not even close to the truth. NFL QBs are the best of the best, and I'd say less than half of the interceptions they throw are their fault. There are tipped balls, reciever run the wrong routes, bad luck, and amazing defensive plays. You very rarely see a ball thrown right at the defender at the pro level.

Oh wow....


If your theory were correct, then the difference between amounts of INTs between QBs wouldn't be so big. Why does Peyton throw 10 a year, and Grossman throws 20? Because Peyton doesn't turn the ball over.

Don't even think about saying most of Grossman's INTs weren't his fault, because if you do tha your opinion is automatically disqualified.

[xBigNastyx]

Eh, i disagree with the same reasoning as dmbmuskie

It was obvious yesterday that 2 of the INTs were as a result of a miscommunication between Manning and Harrison.

Let's just assume that we agree on the above, then the fault must be put on both players no matter who made the "right" read (although IMO, I thought Manning made the correct read, but that's irrelevant) INTs that result from miscommunication is blamed on both players. It is as much a receiver's job to read the defense and run the appropriate route as it is for a QB to read the defense and make the appropriate adjustment for the whole offensive unit. Ultimately, the two INTs have to be blamed on both Manning and Harrison.

Exactly. And since there was a miscommunication, the blame goes to both parties.

It's both of their fault. Not just Harrison's. Manning is not invincible like a lot of people around here think he is.

[cottlerocket]

Exactly. And since there was a miscommunication, the blame goes to both parties.

It's both of their fault. Not just Harrison's. Manning is not invincible like a lot of people around here think he is.

Didn't Manning say that it was a miscommunication but he took responsibility for it? Sorry, I'm jumping into the conversation.

[dmbmuskie]

Oh wow....


If your theory were correct, then the difference between amounts of INTs between QBs wouldn't be so big. Why does Peyton throw 10 a year, and Grossman throws 20? Because Peyton doesn't turn the ball over.

Don't even think about saying most of Grossman's INTs weren't his fault, because if you do tha your opinion is automatically disqualified.

Obviously, some of the QBs in the league are better than others. I don't see how that makes my theroy wrong. Still, no matter what your skill level, factors outside of your control contribute to many of the interceptions that you throw as a QB.

[xBigNastyx]

Obviously, some of the QBs in the league are better than others. I don't see how that makes my theroy wrong. Still, no matter what your skill level, factors outside of your control contribute to many of the interceptions that you throw as a QB.

I agree that many aren't the QBs fault, but to say less than half is their fault is dumb.

[xBigNastyx]

Didn't Manning say that it was a miscommunication but he took responsibility for it? Sorry, I'm jumping into the conversation.


Yeah, and he should have.

But people here say it's not his fault.

[dmbmuskie]

I agree that many aren't the QBs fault, but to say less than half is their fault is dumb.

It depends what you want to say is the fault of the QB. There are hundreds of things that can cause an intersception that are not the fault of the QB. People don't want to give the defenses enough credit. Those situations get every QB. That's why people aren't all over Manning today. He is given the benefit of the doubt because he makes far less mistakes than most QBs. They probably all deserve that benefit of the doubt. It's probably the hardest job in professional sports.

[dmbhoosier21]

Exactly. And since there was a miscommunication, the blame goes to both parties.

It's both of their fault. Not just Harrison's. Manning is not invincible like a lot of people around here think he is.

In this particular convo I am probably the biggest Manning fan and I have been saying all along that it is both their fault regardless of who misread the defense. :ugh

[dmbhoosier21]

Didn't Manning say that it was a miscommunication but he took responsibility for it? Sorry, I'm jumping into the conversation.

Yes he did actually - like I have said; he is the unquestionable star and leader of the team, I think it is his responsibility to bear most - to all of the fault anytime the Colts don't do well no matter the circumstance (for example, last year's game against the Steelers).

I initially just brought up the point that based on the replay it seemed to me (and most "experts") that it was Marvin who misread the defense and consequently ran the "wrong" route. I just think that INTs resulting from miscommunication must be blamed on both the QB and WR.

No one is saying Manning is perfect (I don't think anyone has) just pointing out that INTs cannot be automatically be blamed solely the QB which someone initially implied (I think that was bignasty) in a post.

[twosteppinpun]

For those of us whose teams season's are already over. (took this from another board)

Jan. 27 -- Senior Bowl

Feb. 8 -- First Day Clubs can designate Franchise or Transition players.

Feb. 10 -- AFC-NFC Pro Bowl

Feb. 22 -- Deadline for designation of Franchise/Transition players.

Feb. 21-27 -- NFL Scouting Combine

March 1st -- Deadline for club to exercise options for 2007 on all players who have option clauses in their 2006 contracts. Expiration date of all player contracts due to expire after 2006 season. Deadline for clubs to submit Qualifying Offers to Restricted Free Agents whose contracts are expiring. Deadline for clubs to submit minimum salary offers to Exclusive Rights Free Agents (players with less than three years of free agency credit). (busy day!)

March 2nd -- Free Agency period begins, trading period begins.

March 19th -- Clubs may begin voluntary off-season workout programs

April 20th -- Deadline for signing and submission of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents

April 27th -- Deadline for Old Clubs to match Offer Sheets submitted by Restricted Free Agents

April 28-29 -- NFL Draft

June 1st -- Deadline for old club to send tender to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents or to extend Qualifying Offer, whichever is greater, in order to retain rights. Also, deadline for old club to send tender to its unsigned Unrestricted Free Agents to retain rights if player is not signed by another club by July 22 or beginning of veteran training camp, whichever is earlier.

June 15th -- Deadline for Restricted Free Agent to accept Qualifying Offer (if higher than 110% of previous year’s salary).

July 14th -- Any club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4 pm EDT to sign the player to a multi-year contract or extension. After July 14 the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the club’s last regular season game.

Mid-July -- Training Camps open. Veteran players cannot be required to report earlier than 15 days prior to club’s first pre-season game or July 15, whichever is later. The July 15 date is not applicable to clubs playing five pre-season games. Except for quarterbacks and “injured” players, veterans cannot participate in any organized football activity for 10 days prior to mandatory reporting date. Bonus exemptions for NFL Europe League players must be designated by start of training camp.

July 22nd -- Signing period ends at 4:00 pm EDT for Unrestricted Free Agents to whom June 1 tender was made by old club and for Transition Players and Franchise Players who are Subject to the rules for Transition Players and Franchise Players.

http://www.nflpa.org/

[VanHorneDog]

so, i havent seen a lot of new england fans around here being boston fans. what gives?

[VanHorneDog]

did anyone realize that NO ONE touched Ty Law on that 2nd INT?

seriously, he should have been able to run to the end zone, but the refs called him down, but it certainly wasn't by contact b/c no Colts player touched him.

Even the announcers didn't say anything.

i hate that.

but did you know that Vincent Jackson fumbled the football against the raiders and the refs called it a forward pass?

this is why i think everybody but Ed Hockulies (SP?) sucks at officiating.

[Trippin4136]

i'm very curious to see how the Patriots are going to handle Tomlinson.

[VanHorneDog]

i'm very curious to see how the Patriots are going to handle Tomlinson.

frankly, the Patriots and Tom Brady scare me more than any other team.

however, we killed them last year 41-17 in new england. we have a better team and they are not as good. but, it was regular season. which, is why Tom Brady and his 11-1 post season record scare the shit out of me. cant we play the colts? please? we should get to pick we are the #1 seed!

lame. :lol

EDIT: oh and they wont, they will handle merrimen and rivers. which, could win them the game.

[Trippin4136]

EDIT: oh and they wont, they will handle merrimen and rivers. which, could win them the game.

yea Rivers has to be effective. Not win/take the game himself, but effective and turnover free.

[VanHorneDog]

yea Rivers has to be effective. Not win/take the game himself, but effective and turnover free.

if he doesnt turn the ball over, the chargers win. i think its that simple.

now, for every Brady mistake Rivers can have one. so that could be interesting to see the Brady/Rivers comparison.

i bet Brady has to throw for 3 TDs and over 300 yards to beat the chargers. i dont see them getting the running game going. Not with our defense finally back to 100% (or as close as you can at this pint) like it was at the begining of the season.

LT will get 100 yards somehow. probably most of it will be on 1 big run.

[dmblynny]

i'm very curious to see how the Patriots are going to handle Tomlinson.
I think it's gonna be one hell of a game.

[VanHorneDog]

I think it's gonna be one hell of a game.

or a blowout. i could see a 41-17 score be put up again. :D

[mchonka]

or a blowout. i could see a 41-17 score be put up again. :D

Only the Pats will have the 41 pts. :lol

[VanHorneDog]

Only the Pats will have the 41 pts. :lol

no chance. you dont have a chad johnson of larry johnson on offense. even Tom Brady isnt good enough to do that by himself against our defense.

[xBigNastyx]

no chance. you dont have a chad johnson of larry johnson on offense. even Tom Brady isnt good enough to do that by himself against our defense.


From the things you have said all you do is sound like some biased Chargers fan who doesn't have any clue what they are talking about from a neutral standpoint. If you really think the Chargers are gonna put up 41 points against NE's defense than you are a lunatic.

By the way, New England's defense is actually better than San Diego's...So nice try.

For y'all to win, you will need Rivers to have a great game. Which is something that doesn't come so easily for him. I will admit though, he has great technique in jut giving the ball to LT. And he does play a supporting player for the LT show pretty well. God I love being sarcastic.

[dmblynny]

or a blowout. i could see a 41-17 score be put up again. :D
We'll seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!


IS IT TOMORROW YET? Fuck this Friday shit... the suspense is killin' me!!!




:bounce GO BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce

[Trippin4136]

If you really think the Chargers are gonna put up 41 points against NE's defense than you are a lunatic.




well NE did give up 41 to the Chargers last year, but that's last year so its actually irrelevant.

Either way, this game won't be a blow out. As I said before Rivers has to take care of the ball or the Patriots will exploit it for points. I expect this to be a terrific game, maybe the best of the entire post-season. I think it could be decided off one team making a mistake in their own half of the field and come down to one score.

I'm liking the Chargers b/c of LT and their pass rush, but shit, you can't discount Tom Brady ever. If the Pats move on 3rd downs like they did last week, I don't see how they lose. I say it's going to be decided by 7 points or less, no question.

[Jsweeney]

We'll seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!


IS IT TOMORROW YET? Fuck this Friday shit... the suspense is killin' me!!!




:bounce GO BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce


i hear ya...can't wait till 8pm tomorrow...we need to get off to a good start and "dome" field advantage away!

[xBigNastyx]

well NE did give up 41 to the Chargers last year, but that's last year so its actually irrelevant.

Either way, this game won't be a blow out. As I said before Rivers has to take care of the ball or the Patriots will exploit it for points. I expect this to be a terrific game, maybe the best of the entire post-season. I think it could be decided off one team making a mistake in their own half of the field and come down to one score.

I'm liking the Chargers b/c of LT and their pass rush, but shit, you can't discount Tom Brady ever. If the Pats move on 3rd downs like they did last week, I don't see how they lose. I say it's going to be decided by 7 points or less, no question.

The Pats didn't have one of the top defenses last year because of injuries. We have a few though injuries right now (Harrison) but not like last year...

This is gonna be a hell of a game. Neither team is putting up 41 points though.

[Trippin4136]

yea, no way anyone puts up 41.

Anyone know the O/U on this game? My guess is say...48?

[dmbmuskie]

I cannot see a way the Pats win the game, but something tells me they will.

[dmblynny]

i hear ya...can't wait till 8pm tomorrow...we need to get off to a good start and "dome" field advantage away!
I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope we come up strong and stay strong... then again, a usual shitty start never makes me nervous cause as all us Philly fans know, they like to torture us at times. ;)

[luke7]

the ravens offensive play calling is very questionable.

[dmbhoosier21]

the ravens offensive play calling is very questionable.

Easy to say after the fact, when a unit doesn't produce that is an easy "out" - I didn't see a glaring error in the Ravens' playcalling - they were outplayed, besides not like the Raven's offense were all that good to begin with.

[DMBfan41]

Let's Go Saints!!!!

[RJ2kWJ]

Reggie just took a fucking LICK! Holy shit.

[luke7]

Easy to say after the fact, when a unit doesn't produce that is an easy "out" - I didn't see a glaring error in the Ravens' playcalling - they were outplayed, besides not like the Raven's offense were all that good to begin with.

I posted that 1st half of the game.

[dmbhoosier21]

I posted that 1st half of the game.

Oh, well I still didn't see any glaring flaws with the Ravens' playcalling - other than maybe not attempting to at least get 3 at the end of the first half

Can you be more specific with why you thought their playcalling was "bad"

I thought the Colts just beat and outplayed the Ravens in their "own" game. The game was a hard-hitting physical, defensive battle - which most would think would favor Baltimore

[luke7]

The NFL makes no sense nowadays.

[luke7]

Oh, well I still didn't see any glaring flaws with the Ravens' playcalling - other than maybe not attempting to at least get 3 at the end of the first half

Can you be more specific with why you thought their playcalling was "bad"

I thought the Colts just beat and outplayed the Ravens in their "own" game. The game was a hard-hitting physical, defensive battle - which most would think would favor Baltimore

McNair had some pressure on him on 3rd downs but even when he didn't they still threw the ball 3-5 yds short of the 1st down marker.

I can't believe I watched the whole game. That was one of the worst games I've seen in awhile.

[dmbhoosier21]

McNair had some pressure on him on 3rd downs but even when he didn't they still threw the ball 3-5 yds short of the 1st down marker.

I can't believe I watched the whole game. That was one of the worst games I've seen in awhile.

I think that's more execution as oppose to playcalling