NFL Football 2006-2007

[cbotnyse]

I hope the Colts destroy them, and Grossman throws 3 picks and does his lame little waddle jog back to the sideline.you can always hope

[xBigNastyx]

Again, no one is saying that. You are so lost in your own rage against us you cannot even make sense at this point. You might want to walk away from your computer.


Just you tough guy, just you.

And yes, there was a post where you mentioned only those two positions.

Nice try, keep trying to back off of your statements, you are kinda doing a good job.

[dmb71687]

Please, please, please, go ready everything I've posted on this subject.

Please, please, please, do not think I would be so ignorant not to read all your posts. I realize you have been making numerous other comments about why you think the Patriots didn't make the Superbowl, not sure why, however, but you word for word said "I knew right when they lost Branch to the Seahawks they were going to come up short."

I'm real easy to have discussions with about sports on this board for the most part, but it's hard when there's all sort of contradiction, extreme bias opinions, and false information. You have seemed to provided a lot of those characteristics within the last few pages.

[dmbmuskie]

Just you tough guy, just you.

And yes, there was a post where you mentioned only those two positions.

Nice try, keep trying to back off of your statements, you are kinda doing a good job.

1 post among what is probably 100 on the subject. You're like a journalist who takes one quote out of context, and bases their whole story on that.

[cbotnyse]

Please, please, please, do not think I would be so ignorant not to read all your posts. I realize you have been making numerous other comments about why you think the Patriots didn't make the Superbowl, not sure why, however, but you word for word said "I knew right when they lost Branch to the Seahawks they were going to come up short."

I'm real easy to have discussions with about sports on this board for the most part, but it's hard when there's all sort of contradiction, extreme bias opinions, and false information. You have seemed to provided a lot of those characteristics within the last few pages.hey how about you admit you were dead wrong about the Bears. :cool

[xBigNastyx]

And I accept that the Pats wore down in the 2nd half, for the reasons I detailed following the game itself.

But over the course of the season, those 2 areas were the most glaring for the Pats and it did in fact catch up with them at a time when they needed it most. More so, IMO, the CBs/secondary. Their WRs I thought played really well against the Colts.


I understand what you're saying, but IMO it was more the line than the CBs.

Don't you think that if a QB like Manning gets ALL the time in the world, he's gonna make good throws no matter who is in the secondary?

No games matter when talking about what positions lost them the season except the Colts game. And IMO, the WR and CB didn't lose that game. I see your arguement about the CB and I partially agree there, they could have used a bit more depth there, BUT I think if there were more depth at the tackle and DE positions where they could keep putting pressure on Manning, I think the secondary would have been fine.

In the first half when the line was "fresh" and putting pressure on Manning, the secondary was doing a fantastic job....If the line could have kept up that pressure, the secondary would have been fine IMO.

[dmbmuskie]

Please, please, please, do not think I would be so ignorant not to read all your posts. I realize you have been making numerous other comments about why you think the Patriots didn't make the Superbowl, not sure why, however, but you word for word said "I knew right when they lost Branch to the Seahawks they were going to come up short."

I'm real easy to have discussions with about sports on this board for the most part, but it's hard when there's all sort of contradiction, extreme bias opinions, and false information. You have seemed to provided a lot of those characteristics within the last few pages.

Let's see the Branch stuff finally went down after the season started. The entire offseason they did nothing to improve their team, after coming up short the year before. Branch was the final nail in the coffin.

[Trippin4136]

I want the Colts to win, but I've got a creeping feeling that the Bears will take it despite Grossman's season-long instability.

[dmb71687]

And I accept that the Pats wore down in the 2nd half, for the reasons I detailed following the game itself.

But over the course of the season, those 2 areas were the most glaring for the Pats and it did in fact catch up with them at a time when they needed it most. More so, IMO, the CBs/secondary. Their WRs I thought played really well against the Colts.

I completely disagree, blaming it on soley the CBs/secondary is discrediting everything from Peyton Manning. New England's CBs/secondary didn't play too bad against the Jets, and Rivers certainly didn't have a good game AT ALL in the 2nd round. Could it be possible Manning just is that good, instead of blaming random flaws on the Patriots?

And even though I quoted you, that was more of a general post, not directed just to you.

[xBigNastyx]

1 post among what is probably 100 on the subject. You're like a journalist who takes one quote out of context, and bases their whole story on that.


Nah, he just caught you in your stupid contradictions that you do OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

[Trippin4136]

I understand what you're saying, but IMO it was more the line than the CBs.

Don't you think that if a QB like Manning gets ALL the time in the world, he's gonna make good throws no matter who is in the secondary?

No games matter when talking about what positions lost them the season except the Colts game. And IMO, the WR and CB didn't lose that game. I see your arguement about the CB and I partially agree there, they could have used a bit more depth there, BUT I think if there were more depth at the tackle and DE positions where they could keep putting pressure on Manning, I think the secondary would have been fine.

In the first half when the line was "fresh" and putting pressure on Manning, the secondary was doing a fantastic job....If the line could have kept up that pressure, the secondary would have been fine IMO.

Oh of course. I just think its more than that. I think it was just a lack of talent that was able to stay in coverage schemes longer and stay with their guys.

[xBigNastyx]

Let's see the Branch stuff finally went down after the season started. The entire offseason they did nothing to improve their team, after coming up short the year before. Branch was the final nail in the coffin.


Now you're bending your story a little bit to save face....

Laughable.

[dmb71687]

hey how about you admit you were dead wrong about the Bears. :cool

Your joking, right?

[cbotnyse]

Your joking, right?oh yeah i forgot, you picked them to win all year. My bad.

[xBigNastyx]

Oh of course. I just think its more than that. I think it was just a lack of talent that was able to stay in coverage schemes longer and stay with their guys.

I agree, they couldn't stay in coverage schemes long enough in the Colts game . BUT, the thing is, if they had more depth on the defensive front to keep putting pressure on the QB the way they did in the first half, it wouldn't matter.

By the way, New England gave up what the 2nd least amount of points this season???

[dmb71687]

I understand what you're saying, but IMO it was more the line than the CBs.

Don't you think that if a QB like Manning gets ALL the time in the world, he's gonna make good throws no matter who is in the secondary?

No games matter when talking about what positions lost them the season except the Colts game. And IMO, the WR and CB didn't lose that game. I see your arguement about the CB and I partially agree there, they could have used a bit more depth there, BUT I think if there were more depth at the tackle and DE positions where they could keep putting pressure on Manning, I think the secondary would have been fine.

In the first half when the line was "fresh" and putting pressure on Manning, the secondary was doing a fantastic job....If the line could have kept up that pressure, the secondary would have been fine IMO.

Woops didn't see this post, fairly similar to the one I had above, my bad.

[dmb71687]

oh yeah i forgot, you picked them to win all year. My bad.

All year? What?:freak

I posted in that thread for the first time like 3 weeks ago, and said I thought the Saints were the better team, but due to homefield advantage, and the whether, the Bears would find a way to win.

That is exactly what happened.

Shooo fly.

[dmbmuskie]

Now you're bending your story a little bit to save face....

Laughable.

Actually, I'm just framing a quote it it's actual context for everyone.

Anyways, I'm off the the Pens game, and I won't be around the rest of the week because of work. I guess no one will be around to get your panties in a bunch.

[xBigNastyx]

Actually, I'm just framing a quote it it's actual context for everyone.

Anyways, I'm off the the Pens game, and I won't be around the rest of the week because of work. I guess no one will be around to get your panties in a bunch.

Nah, but no one will be around to give false info and pretend to know everything though. Sounds like the beginning of a good week...Get lost, no one will miss you, TRUST me.

[cbotnyse]

All year? What?:freak

I posted in that thread for the first time like 3 weeks ago, and said I thought the Saints were the better team, but due to homefield advantage, and the whether, the Bears would find a way to win.

That is exactly what happened.

Shooo fly.:lol I guess you were right. :rolleyes

"found a way to win".....it was a blowout.

[xBigNastyx]

All year? What?:freak

I posted in that thread for the first time like 3 weeks ago, and said I thought the Saints were the better team, but due to homefield advantage, and the whether, the Bears would find a way to win.

That is exactly what happened.

Shooo fly.


I agree completely. Saints were the better team, but lost to home field advantage. But hey, the Bears earned the right for home field, so gotta give that to em.

[dmb71687]

:lol I guess you were right. :rolleyes

Did you have any other purpose of posting in this thread, other than finding me and trying to start a fight?

Very, very, pathetic.

[cbotnyse]

Did you have any other purpose of posting in this thread, other than finding me and trying to start a fight?

Very, very, pathetic.yes.

[cbotnyse]

I agree completely. Saints were the better team, but lost to home field advantage. But hey, the Bears earned the right for home field, so gotta give that to em.:lol how could you say that? The game was a blowout.

[dmb71687]

:lol how could you say that? The game was a blowout.

Nobody cares about the Bears, or was talking about the Bears, go find enjoyment elsewhere.

[cbotnyse]

Nobody cares about the Bears, or was talking about the Bears, go find enjoyment elsewhere.youre right, I should go to the SUPER BOWL thread. Why cant you just admit they are a good team?

[dmb71687]

youre right, I should go to the SUPER BOWL thread. Why cant you just admit they are a good team?

Um, they are a very good team, with a ton of talent.

Tell me somewhere I said differently, and I'll send ya a million bucks. End of discussion.

[cbotnyse]

Um, they are a very good team, with a ton of talent.

Tell me somewhere I said differently, and I'll send ya a million bucks. End of discussion.thank you sir. :cool

[dmbhoosier21]

How bout them Bears?

https://webmail.iu.edu/horde/imp/view.php?popup_view=1&index=1164&mailbox=INBOX&actionID=view_attach&id=2.2&mimecache=af878b7e09d74a245e51cf7cbda5d2cb&nocache=s7czmjt77hc&img_data=1&images_view_thumbnail=&images_view_convert=

[clayj41]

Bears are good...very good, but so were the Saints. I believe that it would've been a different game if played at a neutral sight or indoors. The Bears may still have won, but it would've been much closer.

[cbotnyse]

https://webmail.iu.edu/horde/imp/view.php?popup_view=1&index=1164&mailbox=INBOX&actionID=view_attach&id=2.2&mimecache=af878b7e09d74a245e51cf7cbda5d2cb&nocache=s7czmjt77hc&img_data=1&images_view_thumbnail=&images_view_convert= cant see that. :shrug

[xBigNastyx]

Bears are good...very good, but so were the Saints. I believe that it would've been a different game if played at a neutral sight or indoors. The Bears may still have won, but it would've been much closer.


Yep.

[clayj41]

I want the Colts to win, but I've got a creeping feeling that the Bears will take it despite Grossman's season-long instability.

I've got the same feeling. Oh well, I'll be at a bar in Indy watching the game so whether they win or lose, we'll riot anyways!:lol

[dmbhoosier21]

cant see that. :shrug

Yeah, poor attempt at trying to stir things up between the Bears and Colts fans on this board. It's a pic emailed to me with Grossman face ground getting sacked by some Packer player.....Grossman is in a position as if it looks like he is getting butt-raped by some Packer player.

[cbotnyse]

Yeah, poor attempt at trying to stir things up between the Bears and Colts fans on this board. It's a pic emailed to me with Grossman face ground getting sacked by some Packer player.....Grossman is in a position as if it looks like he is getting butt-raped by some Packer player.:lol I've seen that. I've also seen one with a a Saints player (cant remember who) in the same position with a grizzly bear plowing him.

[dmbhoosier21]

I want the Colts to win, but I've got a creeping feeling that the Bears will take it despite Grossman's season-long instability.

I think this has something to do with all the so called "experts" predicting the Bears are going to get blown-out. The media has just not given enough credit to the Bears and they are a better team relative to how the media has portrayed them.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the Colts are going to win but I think it's going to be tougher (& closer) than what most "experts" are saying.

[dmbhoosier21]

:lol I've seen that. I've also seen one with a a Saints player (cant remember who) in the same position with a grizzly bear plowing him.

Just wanted to hopefully stir up some fan interaction in these boards - between the two SUPER BOWL teams.

[cbotnyse]

I think this has something to do with all the so called "experts" predicting the Bears are going to get blown-out. The media has just not given enough credit to the Bears and they are a better team relative to how the media has portrayed them.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the Colts are going to win but I think it's going to be tougher (& closer) than what most "experts" are saying.:thumbsup The Bears have said they had extra motivation when everyone and their mother picked the Saints. And now everyone is jumping on the Peyton bandwagon. As well they probably should, I think he is the best in the game and deserves a ring or two. Its just gonna have to wait. :cool

[dmbhoosier21]

:thumbsup The Bears have said they had extra motivation when everyone and their mother picked the Saints. And now everyone is jumping on the Peyton bandwagon. As well they probably should, I think he is the best in the game and deserves a ring or two. Its just gonna have to wait. :cool

HA!

Hey, all I said is that the Bears are a very good team, with that record and defense - it's no fluke. The Bears are a very good team, good enough to be 2nd best/runner-up in the league - that's nothing to be ashamed of

[xBigNastyx]

I think this has something to do with all the so called "experts" predicting the Bears are going to get blown-out. The media has just not given enough credit to the Bears and they are a better team relative to how the media has portrayed them.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the Colts are going to win but I think it's going to be tougher (& closer) than what most "experts" are saying.

:ugh

The media did nothing but suck off the Bears for over half the season.

[dmbhoosier21]

:ugh

The media did nothing but suck off the Bears for over half the season.

Yes they did.......the entire first half of the season till' Sexy Rexy started to become erratic and the defense wasn't so dominating.

I agree with the media that the Colts are the favorites....but an "overwhelming" fav. like some "experts" believe, I don't think so.

Most of the media didn't think the Bears would go this far - hell I didn't think the Bears would go this far.

[cbotnyse]

:ugh

The media did nothing but suck off the Bears for over half the season.you mean the first half, when they were blowing out teams by near record margins? Oh how fast they turned. Not a single one of them picked them to make it this far. http://nicepicksguys.ytmnd.com/

[Trippin4136]

^^^

that's nothing new. the ESPN analysts never have the grapes to vote anything other than unanimously for one team

[cbotnyse]

^^^

that's nothing new. the ESPN analysts never have the grapes to vote anything other than unanimously for one teamTo his credit, John Clayton did pick the Bears, and I believe Berman did too.

[Tiduwho]

:ugh

The media did nothing but suck off the Bears for over half the season.


They sucked them off for about 3 or 4 weeks, before week 4 they were sucking off the Seahawks and the Bears were a backpage story until they spanked them on National TV. They were all over them the next two weeks, then backed off a bit after the Cards game, and finally after the Miami game were 100% off the wagon ever since. After Miami, they sucked off the Giants. When the Bears spanked them, they jumped on the Romo bandwagon. Then when the Saints spanked them, they jumped on the Saints bandwagon. By the end, it was the Eagles that were the team to beat.

Through the playoffs, there's been nary a word good said about them. Just a whole lot of "Rex Grossman is the worst Playoff QB of all time so they are easily one and done. Rex Grossman got lucky last week, and since the Bears defense is bad now, the Saints will easily score 30+ (Jaws was even predicting up to 40) on them and it will be a blowout". Now it is "Do the Bears have a Prayer?" and "Rex Grossman is the worst Super Bowl QB of all time".


They sucked them off for less than a month of this 5 month season.

[dmb71687]

They sucked them off for about 3 or 4 weeks, before week 4 they were sucking off the Seahawks and the Bears were a backpage story until they spanked them on National TV. They were all over them the next two weeks, then backed off a bit after the Cards game, and finally after the Miami game were 100% off the wagon ever since. After Miami, they sucked off the Giants. When the Bears spanked them, they jumped on the Romo bandwagon. Then when the Saints spanked them, they jumped on the Saints bandwagon. By the end, it was the Eagles that were the team to beat.

Through the playoffs, there's been nary a word good said about them. Just a whole lot of "Rex Grossman is the worst Playoff QB of all time so they are easily one and done. Rex Grossman got lucky last week, and since the Bears defense is bad now, the Saints will easily score 30+ (Jaws was even predicting up to 40) on them and it will be a blowout". Now it is "Do the Bears have a Prayer?" and "Rex Grossman is the worst Super Bowl QB of all time".


They sucked them off for less than a month of this 5 month season.

To be fair, you can't really expect Jaws or anyone to predict a team to have as many costly turnovers as the Saints had that game. They killed offensive momentum with silly turnovers, a lot that were self induced and not necessarily caused by the Bears. Had they limited their turnovers just a bit, they probably would have got to 30, easily.

But with that said, turnovers are apart of the game, and the Bears were the better team that day for NOT being on the wrong end. They dominated and deserve to be in the Superbowl.

[cbotnyse]

To be fair, you can't really expect Jaws or anyone to predict a team to have as many costly turnovers as the Saints had that game. They killed offensive momentum with silly turnovers, a lot that were self induced and not necessarily caused by the Bears. Had they limited their turnovers just a bit, they probably would have got to 30, easily.

But with that said, turnovers are apart of the game, and the Bears were the better team that day for NOT being on the wrong end. They dominated and deserve to be in the Superbowl.The bears forced 3 fumbles and picked off brees once. Sorry, all of the turnovers were directly caused by the bears. Mood point, like you said, we dominated and deserve to be there.

[41ravens]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/mediaday07/part1

fucking hilarious. i heart bill simmons.

[Tiduwho]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/mediaday07/part1

fucking hilarious. i heart bill simmons.


Ooo...I just read his column earlier about arriving in Miami, and he's already got a Media Day one up? Nice.



"Look at the throng around poor Rex Grossman, who looked surprisingly calm and confident considering there were about 10,000 people interrogating him like he was a disgraced presidential candidate. I think he listened to an especially relaxing Coldplay mix on the way to the stadium."

:lol

[Tiduwho]

Picture of Ricky Manning:

"The illegitimate Manning brother, Ricky. It's been a hush-hush story all week."

Man, Simmons is killing me. :lol

[dmb71687]

The bears forced 3 fumbles and picked off brees once. Sorry, all of the turnovers were directly caused by the bears. Mood point, like you said, we dominated and deserve to be there.

:lol

[xBigNastyx]

God I hope the Bears lose so we don't have to listen to bitter tiduwho after the game.

[Tiduwho]

God I hope the Bears lose so we don't have to listen to bitter tiduwho after the game.

Says the guy who donated page after page of bandwidth in a style only UNG could rival after the Pats lost.... :lol

[cbotnyse]

:lol:rolleyes sorry for the typo.

God I hope the Bears lose so we don't have to listen to bitter tiduwho after the game.bitter? holy shit, have you read your posts since the patroits lost? That could be the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

[Trippin4136]

God I hope the Bears lose so we don't have to listen to bitter tiduwho after the game.

talk about the pot and the fuckin' kettle :lol

[xBigNastyx]

Bitter? Someone said the Pats lost beacuse of their cornerbacks and WRs...I simply argued that that wasn't the reason..

AGAIN, way to interpret something into something completely false just so it strengthens your arguement.

[xBigNastyx]

By the way, notice how I said lose...

Cause if they lose we will hear about "how we all counted them out, blah blah blah."

After the Pats beat the Jets, Chargers, did I do that?

Nope.

[cbotnyse]

Bitter? Someone said the Pats lost beacuse of their cornerbacks and WRs...I simply argued that that wasn't the reason..

AGAIN, way to interpret something into something completely false just so it strengthens your arguement.

By the way, notice how I said lose...

Cause if they lose we will hear about "how we all counted them out, blah blah blah."

After the Pats beat the Jets, Chargers, did I do that?

Nope.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[xBigNastyx]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Insightful.

Some of you people really do act like clowns sometimes.

[dmb71687]

bitter? holy shit, have you read your posts since the patroits lost? That could be the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

Ironic, cause I thought your "mood point" was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.:lol

[cbotnyse]

Insightful.

Some of you people really do act like clowns sometimes.*yawn*

[cbotnyse]

Ironic, cause I thought your "mood point" was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.:lola typo was funny? you must be easily amused.

[dmb71687]

a typo was funny? you must be easily amused.

:lol :lol :lol You wish it was a typo. Mood point is one of the most misused phrases in the English language, that "t" and "d" are nowhere near eachother. Why don't you just admit you were an idiot instead of coming up with excuses.:D

[cbotnyse]

:lol :lol :lol You wish it was a typo. Mood point is one of the most misused phrases in the English language, that "t" and "d" are nowhere near eachother. Why don't you just admit you were an idiot instead of coming up with excuses.:Dyeah i meant moot and wrote mood. I made a mistake. I am ashamed. :lorraine

[dmb71687]

yeah i meant moot and wrote mood. I made a mistake. I am ashamed. :lorraine

Oh okay, I totally believe you now.


:lol :lol :lol

[cbotnyse]

Oh okay, I totally believe you now.


:lol :lol :lolback to the point, please explain to me how the bears forcing three fumbles were "self induced" by the Saints. your football knowledge is astonishing.

[dmb71687]

back to the point, please explain to me how the bears forcing three fumbles were "self induced" by the Saints. your football knowledge is astonishing.

You mean, back to the mood point? Right?:lol

And I'd rather not, ill save intelligent sports discussions with people that can hold conversations without being complete dumbasses. Your so annoying to talk to about the Bears it's crazy, I don't know how anyone can muster talking to you for more than 5 minutes to be honest.

[cbotnyse]

You mean, back to the mood point? Right?:lol

And I'd rather not, ill save intelligent sports discussions with people that can hold conversations without being complete dumbasses. Your so annoying to talk to about the Bears it's crazy, I don't know how anyone can muster talking to you for more than 5 minutes to be honest.so you have no explaination besides personal attacks? and I'm the hard one to talk to? :shrug

[dmb71687]

so you have no explaination besides personal attacks? and I'm the hard one to talk to? :shrug

I have no explanation to you, correct. Have a nice day!

[cbotnyse]

I have no explanation to you, correct. Have a nice day!:hug

[Tiduwho]

By the way, notice how I said lose...

Cause if they lose we will hear about "how we all counted them out, blah blah blah."

After the Pats beat the Jets, Chargers, did I do that?

Nope.

I think you mean if they win? If they lost, I would say "Damn, well at least it was to Manning," and be done with it. :lol


Don't worry, if ESPN picks against the Bears across the board again and the Bears win, I won't let you down. :) :multi

[xBigNastyx]

so you have no explaination besides personal attacks? and I'm the hard one to talk to? :shrug

Another typo, huh champ?

[xBigNastyx]

I think you mean if they win? If they lost, I would say "Damn, well at least it was to Manning," and be done with it. :lol


Don't worry, if ESPN picks against the Bears across the board again and the Bears win, I won't let you down. :) :multi

Right, I meant if they win we won't hear the end of it from you about how they were underdogs blah blah...

My bad for the misunderstanding.

[cbotnyse]

Another typo, huh champ?Holy shit you and DMB71 are English teachers all of a sudden? you two are so cute together.

[dmb71687]

Holy shit you and DMB71 are English teachers all of a sudden? you two are so cute together.

Capitalization.:) :thumbsup

[cbotnyse]

Capitalization.:) :thumbsup:hump

[dmb71687]

:hump

Should I be nervous you just went from hugging to humping?

[cbotnyse]

Should I be nervous you just went from hugging to humping?moootd point. :monkey

[dmb71687]

moootd point. :monkey

Tooouche.

[dmbhoosier21]

Ooo...I just read his column earlier about arriving in Miami, and he's already got a Media Day one up? Nice.



"Look at the throng around poor Rex Grossman, who looked surprisingly calm and confident considering there were about 10,000 people interrogating him like he was a disgraced presidential candidate. I think he listened to an especially relaxing Coldplay mix on the way to the stadium."

:lol

"I want to see this framed photo of Kyle Orton and Brian Griese hanging in a Chicago art gallery along with the caption, "We can't believe one of us isn't starting over Rex Grossman."

:lol :D

[dmbhoosier21]

To be fair ....

Here's another random subplot that fascinated me: How did Tarik Glenn fit into that wooden chair? I'm convinced that's why we had a 20-minute delay to start the Colts' session. I think they had to saw the chair off him.

:lol

To the lows (seeing Adam Vinatieri in person when he's wearing a freaking Colts uniform). It was like running into an old college girlfriend who's now dating the single biggest jerk you went to school with. I can't even talk about it. He should have retired as a New England Patriot. Damn it all.

:lol:lol:lol

[Tiduwho]

I was walking down the road yesterday and saw one a them coon-ass guys in there talkin funny. What a piece of shit huh? He should be able to talk [and look] like us.

[dmbhoosier21]

Back to Belichick being a supposed gerk-off who only cares about winning and can't take a loss with any sort of class..........

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/02/02/johnson.belichick.ap/index.html

He sustained another concussion four days later after Belichick prodded him to participate in a full-contact practice, even though he was supposed to be avoiding hits, Johnson said.

"I told him, `You played God with my health. You knew I shouldn't have been cleared to play,"' Johnson told the Globe
If the above is even remotely true, that is just plain shitty and indefensible. Yes, while players are adults and have the "final decision" whether to play/practice or not, the coaches have so much influence on their players' decisions; after all the coaches are essentially their bosses who can either help or hinder their career.

[Trippin4136]

Well I can't wait to hear the opinions of our #1 Patriots fan!

[Tak_a_Tak]

Ya I saw that too. But you know what, Johnson should have manned up and told Belichick how it should be. I know it's easier said than done, and far be for me to defend Belichick, but if my boss is telling me to do something that I shouldn't because of health reasons, I'm not gonna do it.

[dmbhoosier21]

Well I can't wait to hear the opinions of our #1 Patriots fan!

:evil Same here

[dmbhoosier21]

Ya I saw that too. But you know what, Johnson should have manned up and told Belichick how it should be. I know it's easier said than done, and far be for me to defend Belichick, but if my boss is telling me to do something that I shouldn't because of health reasons, I'm not gonna do it.

Yeah, but it's hard for "us" (non-football players) to really understand the psyche of some of these players.

While I agree, the ultimate blame/responsiblity should still be with the player who made the decision, it still remains that Belichick is a complete jack-ass for supposedly pressuring a player to risk his long-term health for the sake of the team. Responsible or not, Belichick's (if the story is accurate) actions is completely shitty and irresponsible. I may be bias, but for some reason, I don't see Dungy doing something like this.

[dmbmuskie]

I cannot say I feel anymore disdane for BB over this. Sure, BB shouldn't have been trying to get him to practice so soon after the injury, but Johnson could have told him his health was more important.

Doesn't this go against the Pats organizational vision that, if one guy goes down they'll just plug someone in. That's what I found most interesting.

[dmbmuskie]

Yeah, but it's hard for "us" (non-football players) to really understand the psyche of some of these players.

While I agree, the ultimate blame/responsiblity should still be with the player who made the decision, it still remains that Belichick is a complete jack-ass for supposedly pressuring a player to risk his long-term health for the sake of the team. Responsible or not, Belichick's (if the story is accurate) actions is completely shitty and irresponsible. I may be bias, but for some reason, I don't see Dungy doing something like this.

Yeah, this something I see BB or Parcells doing.

[Tiduwho]

I think you mean if they win? If they lost, I would say "Damn, well at least it was to Manning," and be done with it. :lol


Don't worry, if ESPN picks against the Bears across the board again and the Bears win, I won't let you down. :) :multi


Not bad. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2752062

Colts 13
Bears 5

Let's hear it for Scoop and Wojo returning to their homerism roots!

[dmb71687]

Favre returns!!!!!!!!!

W00t! W00t!

[cbotnyse]

Favre returns!!!!!!!!!

W00t! W00t!sucks to be Aaron Rogers these days.

[dmb71687]

sucks to be Aaron Rogers these days.

Meh don't care. Hasn't proven in any game he's started that he deserves to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. With Aaron Rodgers at QB, this would be a 3-13 team next year, with Favre, they're a legitmiate playoff team in the NFC.

[cbotnyse]

Meh don't care. Hasn't proven in any game he's started that he deserves to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. With Aaron Rodgers at QB, this would be a 3-13 team next year, with Favre, they're a legitmiate playoff team in the NFC.I agree, that why I say, it sucks to be Aaron Rogers. :lol

Farve has earned the right to come back as much as he wants, at least until he blatantly sucks.

[Tiduwho]

Belichick is just a synonym for the word scumbag.

[dmbhoosier21]

Odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl for next year? According to Las Vegas Sports Consultants:

1.) SD, 9-2

2.) XLI Super Bowl Champions Indianapolis Colts, 5-1

Chicago, 7-1

NE, 9-1

NO, and Cinci are both 12-1

Balt, 14-1

Seahawks, 15-1

and the Raiders?.......150-1

[dmbmuskie]

:lol Cinci 12 to 1

[thebigv]

:lol Cinci 12 to 1

I second that laughter. 12 to 1 my ass.

Edit: Wait a minute, is this the amount of arrests to community service work?

[xBigNastyx]

Belichick is just a synonym for the word scumbag.

This was ALMOST funny the first time you said it.

But I'll go ahead and say it again.

Underachieve is synonym for Cubs.

Awful is synonym for Grossman.

Anything else?



All of you whose sole purpose seems to be to eb on the look out for reasons to diss the Patriots are PATHETIC.

Ted Johnson is JUST NOW coming out with this dumb story?

Give me a break.

[Tiduwho]

This was ALMOST funny the first time you said it.

But I'll go ahead and say it again.

Underachieve is synonym for Cubs.

Awful is synonym for Grossman.

Anything else?



All of you whose sole purpose seems to be to eb on the look out for reasons to diss the Patriots are PATHETIC.

Ted Johnson is JUST NOW coming out with this dumb story?

Give me a break.

Actually, I said this one two days before the other one. Must've forgot I said it here.

[UNC41]

This was ALMOST funny the first time you said it.

But I'll go ahead and say it again.

Underachieve is synonym for Cubs.

Awful is synonym for Grossman.

Anything else?



All of you whose sole purpose seems to be to eb on the look out for reasons to diss the Patriots are PATHETIC.

Ted Johnson is JUST NOW coming out with this dumb story?

Give me a break.

With zero Super Bowls in two years it may be time to drop the dynasty tag.

[dmbhoosier21]

All of you whose sole purpose seems to be to eb on the look out for reasons to diss the Patriots are PATHETIC.

Not to be an ass, I think most/many NFL fans on this board don't purposely "look" for reasons to diss NE, but I do think they try to find things to post just to piss you off. :lol You just take things so personally, it's kinda funny.

[Trippin4136]

it's the comebacks that are even funnier. All the "you guys are pathetic" and "grow up man" and "riiiiiight" and "whatever man" are classic.

[dmbmuskie]

it's the comebacks that are even funnier. All the "you guys are pathetic" and "grow up man" and "riiiiiight" and "whatever man" are classic.

My favorite is, "talking to you is like talking to a blind squirrel". I still don't know exactly what that meant.

Back to Johnson, isn't it possible that his health has deteriorated since his retirement, and he feels he needs to tell his story.

[dmbhoosier21]

My favorite is, "talking to you is like talking to a blind squirrel". I still don't know exactly what that meant.

Back to Johnson, isn't it possible that his health has deteriorated since his retirement, and he feels he needs to tell his story.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense - I don't think there's a statute of limitations for this kind of stuff - poor argument for whoever brought it up :rolleyes

either, the story was inaccurate or it was just plain untrue.

If it is accurate, then Belichick is indeed a Dbag, even though ultimately, IMO, Johnson was responsible for his action.

[dmbmuskie]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense - I don't think there's a statute of limitations for this kind of stuff - poor argument for whoever brought it up :rolleyes

either, the story was inaccurate or it was just plain untrue.

If it is accurate, then Belichick is indeed a Dbag, even though ultimately, IMO, Johnson was responsible for his action.

The thing I think would be interesting to find out is if the team doctors cleared him to play knowing he wasn't ready, or if he just cleared himself.

Concusions need to be addressed in all sports at all levels, regardless of what you think of this situation.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm convinced Jerry Jones is going to turn into Al Davis and ruin the Cowboys.

[thebigv]

I'm convinced Jerry Jones is going to turn into Al Davis and ruin the Cowboys.

Did something happen recently? Or just a generalization? If its the second, I can certainly agree. :D

[GavMan33]

Did something happen recently? Or just a generalization? If its the second, I can certainly agree. :D

Yeah something happened. He's hiring the anti-Christ, Wade Phillips, to coach his team. I will never forgive him for the debacle that happened in Tennessee when he was coaching in Buffalo. What a joke....

[thebigv]

Wait, is this confirmed? Why hasn't this come across the 'proper' channels. And by proper, I mean the channels I pay attention to...

[GavMan33]

Wait, is this confirmed? Why hasn't this come across the 'proper' channels. And by proper, I mean the channels I pay attention to...

Turn on NFL Live right now, ESPN....

[dmbmuskie]

Wade Phillips might not be a bad hire, but the whole Garrett situation is just dumb. Why would you ever hire an assistant coach, especially an unproven one, before the head coach is in place?

[thebigv]

Turn on NFL Live right now, ESPN....

I'm at work. I should've been more specific by what I meant by 'channels'. :)

[GavMan33]

I'm at work. I should've been more specific by what I meant by 'channels'. :)

Well, we know the difference between you and I now. You're making yourself some good money, while I'm sitting on my couch in my living room at noon on a Thursday watching ESPN and typing on this computer :lol . The signing is not official yet, nobody from both sides is saying anything, but the deal seems imminent.

[thebigv]

That's a pretty easy generalization to make. Just because I'm working on Thursday afternoon, or better said "At Work", doesn't mean I'm making good money. I spend it all on binge drinking anyways, seeing as how I live in the #1 binge drinking city in America. Go Chicago!

[Tiduwho]

That's a pretty easy generalization to make. Just because I'm working on Thursday afternoon, or better said "At Work", doesn't mean I'm making good money. I spend it all on binge drinking anyways, seeing as how I live in the #1 binge drinking city in America. Go Chicago!

Milwaukee might have something to say about that...

[thebigv]

http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/news/2007/01/26/scientists-examine-chicago%E2%80%99s-binge-drinking/

Milwaukee would be wrong.

[Tiduwho]

http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/news/2007/01/26/scientists-examine-chicago%E2%80%99s-binge-drinking/

Milwaukee would be wrong.


They surveyed 12 year olds about binge drinking? :eek

[thebigv]

Yeah, thats what I said when I was reading that article this morning. How in the hell did they get that survey distributed? Through SI for Kids? I guess since I'll be 25 soon, I should celebrate my last year of being in the biggest age group of binge drinkers. especially since I didn't take advantage of it when I was 12.

[41ravens]

Wade Phillips might not be a bad hire, but the whole Garrett situation is just dumb. Why would you ever hire an assistant coach, especially an unproven one, before the head coach is in place?

jones loves him and wants to groom him.

we'll see how this goes. i'm not crazy with his history as a coach, but he deserves a chance. i really thought turner was going to get it till they reported that he wanted more control than just coach. hopefully he can pick up where bill left off, except for the whole not winning in the playoffs thing.

[dmblynny]

jones loves him and wants to groom him.

we'll see how this goes. i'm not crazy with his history as a coach, but he deserves a chance. i really thought turner was going to get it till they reported that he wanted more control than just coach. hopefully he can pick up where bill left off, except for the whole not winning in the playoffs thing.
Let's hope not!!!!!:D


Is it training camp time yet?:lorraine

[Tiduwho]

jones loves him and wants to groom him.

we'll see how this goes. i'm not crazy with his history as a coach, but he deserves a chance. i really thought turner was going to get it till they reported that he wanted more control than just coach. hopefully he can pick up where bill left off, except for the whole not winning in the playoffs thing.

Or didn't want to submit to Jerry's usual Coach in Bondage scheme...

[41ravens]

Or didn't want to submit to Jerry's usual Coach in Bondage scheme...

more or less. jones just wants a puppet.

[dmbmuskie]

jones loves him and wants to groom him.

we'll see how this goes. i'm not crazy with his history as a coach, but he deserves a chance. i really thought turner was going to get it till they reported that he wanted more control than just coach. hopefully he can pick up where bill left off, except for the whole not winning in the playoffs thing.

I understand that Jones is enamored with Garrett, but his philosophy on offense could be the polar opposite of what Phillips wants to do.

I'm sure since he took the job, Phillips isn't that worried about it.

I just hate the new breed of NFL owner, and Jones started it. The old guard is getting fewer and fewer.

[dmbhoosier21]

I'm the biggest Marino fan on here. I didn't say Manning was overrated because he never won a Super Bowl. A QB's greatness is not defined soley on rings to me. However, performaning under pressure does count. Something Manning has never done well going back to college. There's more to playing QB than throwing TD passes. He's a QB that rattles easily, gets happy feet, pouts and displays poor body language when things go wrong. He hasn't had any defining comeback under pressure moments. A lot of his stats come off of tricking the other team with play action etc. and audibles to an extent and luxury no other QB has ever had. His teams are far more talented than just about all but one of the teams Marino played on, and have a better running game and defense. So I don't view their lack of a ring in the same light.

John Elway post 2 Super Bowl rings, never put up big numbers like Manning, but at that point in his career he was still a better QB than Manning.

I argue that Manning has never been as great as Favre was during his 3 MVP consecutive wins. Those guys could carry a team and play well under pressure. Something Manning has yet to do.

One thing we do know already the Colts and overrated Peyton Manning will come up short again.


:haha Told you so

[Tiduwho]

Romo is the holder in the Pro Bowl? Lol.... :lol

[tedies]

Romo is the holder in the Pro Bowl? Lol.... :lol
quite absurd

[dmbmuskie]

Romo wanted to be the holder, so good for him.

[SmoothD41]

Schottenheimer = gone

[dmbmuskie]

They really screwed themselves waiting until now to fire him.

[xBigNastyx]

San Diego has SO much talent, but is so poorly run, it's insane.

Shottenheimer should have been fired, I am glad they finally did it. He is an awful coach.. sure he was 14-2 last year, but come on, anyone could have coached that stacked team.

But their front office is retarded in waiting so long, I agree with muskie here.

[thehoss]

how about the gmen unloading arrington, emmons and pettitgout. interesting. i can definitely see briggs coming to jersey now...thank antonio pierce for that

[dmbmuskie]

The talk today was that San Diego has so much talent, that basically any coach is a possibility, except Cowher because he and Marty are best friends.

[dmbmuskie]

The talk today was that San Diego has so much talent, that basically any coach is a possibility, except Cowher because he and Marty are best friends.

[xBigNastyx]

"But hey, it is not a particularly good environment for this head coach to work with this general manager."

What a classy thing for Shottenheimer to say...:rolleyes

[Trippin4136]

Sorry, don't agree. The Chargers set a HORRIBLE precedent by firing a coach off a 14-2 season. Additionally, they lost both their possible replacements in Phillips and Cameron even before they fired Marty. Smith got pissed b/c Marty led his assistants interview for other jobs. Well you know what, he's the coach. He's entitled to grant permission to his assistants who want to interview for promotions with other teams.

AJ Smith doesn't want a superstar, name coach. He wants a puppet. Schottenheimer wouldn't roll over for him. The Chargers are the ones who come out of this looking like fools, not Marty.

[dmbmuskie]

If I'm a Chargers fan, I'm asking myself who the hell is AJ Smith?

He may have ruined the franchise in the last month.

[dmb71687]

how about the gmen unloading arrington, emmons and pettitgout. interesting. i can definitely see briggs coming to jersey now...thank antonio pierce for that

Chicago will NOT let go of Briggs. I bet my life on it.

[Trippin4136]

I wouldn't push your chips in yet.

[dmbmuskie]

Briggs is about as sure of a bet to get franchised if they can't work out a contract as I have ever seen.

[dmb71687]

I wouldn't push your chips in yet.

Already all-in. Are you folding?

[dmblynny]

how about the gmen unloading arrington, emmons and pettitgout. interesting. i can definitely see briggs coming to jersey now...thank antonio pierce for that
I'd love to pick up Arrington simply cause he's got so much talent AND he's from PSU. :multi I guess NY just wanted more money to pick up free agents/rookies??? I'm so pumped to see how the NFC East/NFC goes this season.
I was surprised to see Shottenheimer go. Granted they lost 5 of 6 coordinators, at least keep him there? I guess tho if there's been arguements between him and the GM it's better off, but still... they had a great season last year. I'd really like to see them go all the way in '07.

[dmblynny]

I just hope the Birds hold on to Stallworth... damn postseason... you never know what's going to happen.:cool

EDIT: And mybabydaddy of course. :)

[Tiduwho]

Arrington is the correct definition of the word "overrated". The hype he had with the Skins was bad enough, but when he went to the Giants it was out of control. I'll say it again, like I have the past 3 years: he's not that good. At all. No, he's not a Top 5 LB (something thrown out often 3 years ago), he's not Top 10 LB (2 years ago), he's not a specialist either. He sucks.

Now hopefully he fades into obscurity.

[Trippin4136]

Arrington said he very well could retire if he doesn't heal correctly and receive an offer from a team.

[thebigv]

Chicago will NOT let go of Briggs. I bet my life on it.

Would you have bet that the organization would have turned their stadium into the most disappointing stadium in the NFL?

[dmbmuskie]

One of the headlines on ESPN.com currently reads:

Brady needs to study from daddy playbook.

Other than Katie, who gives a shit?

[Tak_a_Tak]

Oh the Drama!!!

[dmbmuskie]

Oh the Drama!!!

Who do you think will be the better QB 25 year from now?

Matt Leinart's illegitmate kid, or Tom Brady's.

[Tak_a_Tak]

Who do you think will be the better QB 25 year from now?

Matt Leinart's illegitmate kid, or Tom Brady's.

:lol


That's way too tuff to call.

[dmbmuskie]

:lol


That's way too tuff to call.

In the near future, Ben and Eli will knock someone up. The debate will become really heated then.

Ben is such an idiot I'm surprised he hasn't already. My one friend ended up in a hotel room with him one night, and managed to steal of his clothes.

[UNC41]

Who do you think will be the better QB 25 year from now?

Matt Leinart's illegitmate kid, or Tom Brady's.

Leinert's. He knocked up a Division I college basketball player. Brady sperminated an actress.

[dmbmuskie]

Leinert's. He knocked up a Division I college basketball player. Brady sperminated an actress.

That's a good call.

[UNC41]

That's a good call.

My thoughts are the acting skills would be much more successful playing soccer at an elite level.

[dmbmuskie]

My thoughts are the acting skills would be much more successful playing soccer at an elite level.

:lol

[Tak_a_Tak]

Leinert's. He knocked up a Division I college basketball player. Brady sperminated an actress.

Damn, I didn't even think about that. Very good point.

:thumbsup

[dmbmuskie]

It looks like Turner is going to lead the Chargers. What a clusterfuck that organization has turned into in the last 6 weeks.

Has anyone heard this conspiract theory about AJ Smith and Marty? Smith knew all along that he was going to fire Marty and didn't think the top assistants could lead the team to victory. He hates Marty so much that he waited until all the other jobs were filled to fire Marty.

I heard this on the radio somewhere this weekend.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I guess that's not too far fetched. I heard on the radio last week that Smith and Marty had not talked to each other for a few years. They always communicated through some sort of intermediary.

I don’t see how they were able to get anything done running things like that.

[dmbmuskie]

I guess that's not too far fetched. I heard on the radio last week that Smith and Marty had not talked to each other for a few years. They always communicated through some sort of intermediary.

I don’t see how they were able to get anything done running things like that.

I really don't think that would be as big of a problem as one might think as long as the GM was getting players to fit the system. Smith seems to be a hell of a GM.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I really don't think that would be as big of a problem as one might think as long as the GM was getting players to fit the system. Smith seems to be a hell of a GM.

True, but I'm just a little shocked they were able to stay on the same page/ put a winning team together when they're not talking to each other. I guess it worked out ok. I would think at this level, people would be able to be professional about working together though, rather that be like a bunch of high school girls.

[dmbmuskie]

True, but I'm just a little shocked they were able to stay on the same page/ put a winning team together when they're not talking to each other. I guess it worked out ok. I would think at this level, people would be able to be professional about working together though, rather that be like a bunch of high school girls.

I agree. You have to give Smith a bunch of credit for being able to recognize the holes on the team and fill them.

I'd love to know what actually happened between them.

[xBigNastyx]

I guess that's not too far fetched. I heard on the radio last week that Smith and Marty had not talked to each other for a few years. They always communicated through some sort of intermediary.

I don’t see how they were able to get anything done running things like that.

I've seen pictures of them in practices this year talking on the field.

Man the media loves to flat out make up stuff.

[dmbmuskie]

I've seen pictures of them in practices this year talking on the field.

Man the media loves to flat out make up stuff.

I heard that as well. I think they meant they hadn't talked about football stuff.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I've seen pictures of them in practices this year talking on the field.

Man the media loves to flat out make up stuff.

Huh... I don't know. I wish I could remember who said that. It was an interview on Mike and Mike. I want to say it was Morten Anderson, but I could be way off base with that.

[Tiduwho]

Would you have bet that the organization would have turned their stadium into the most disappointing stadium in the NFL?

:thumbsdow
You've gotta be kidding. I've never been to a more exciting sports event in my life than this year (first time I've made it to New Soldier). I went 3 times at the old multi-color seats. I was incredibly impressed inside. Who cares about what it looks outside, that's just something to laugh about. Inside I loved it.

[xBigNastyx]

Huh... I don't know. I wish I could remember who said that. It was an interview on Mike and Mike. I want to say it was Morten Anderson, but I could be way off base with that.

I've seen them talking on the field during a practice...What were they talking about if they weren't talking about football? Lunch later?

[dmb71687]

I've seen pictures of them in practices this year talking on the field.

Man the media loves to flat out make up stuff.

Definitely not made up by the media, Marty said that himself in an interview with ESPN.

[dmbmuskie]

I've seen them talking on the field during a practice...What were they talking about if they weren't talking about football? Lunch later?

How do you know it was from this year, it could have been archived footage?

I cannot imagine they actually got to the point where they didn't exchange common courtesies with each other. I tend to believe multiple people in the media over you.

[dmbmuskie]

Also, Nasty, do you have any thoughts on the Brady's lack of protection.

[xBigNastyx]

Also, Nasty, do you have any thoughts on the Brady's lack of protection.

I'm not playing your petty little games where you try to piss me off.

All I said is I've seen pics of them together and you say "I believe the media over you"..wtf, lose the attitude man.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm not playing your petty little games where you try to piss me off.

All I said is I've seen pics of them together and you say "I believe the media over you"..wtf, lose the attitude man.

I was talking about Brady knocking up his ex. Take a deep breath.

I wasn't insulting you either, but I'd take John Clayton's word over yours on matters concerning the NFL or anyone else posting on a message board. We're not the most reliable group.

[xBigNastyx]

I was talking about Brady knocking up his ex. Take a deep breath.

I wasn't insulting you either, but I'd take John Clayton's word over yours on matters concerning the NFL or anyone else posting on a message board. We're not the most reliable group.


COOL.

[Tiduwho]

After dodging 8 possible head coaching jobs....the Bears DUMP Ron Rivera.



What. The. Hell.

[dmbmuskie]

After dodging 8 possible head coaching jobs....the Bears DUMP Ron Rivera.



What. The. Hell.

It seems like a strange move, but coaching the Tampa 2 isn't hard in theory, which makes it stupid to throw mega bucks at him.

Maybe the Bears didn't think he was as good of a communicator or motivator has the guy who seems to be his likely successor.

Maybe Lovie didn't like the play calling when they weren't in Tampa 2.

For some reason I'm not really surprised by this.

[Tiduwho]

Sounds like Lovie and him butted horns behind the scenes and Lovie dumped him.

[dmbmuskie]

Smith might look like a genius, now that he landed Rivera as well as Turner.

[dmblynny]

Anyone see where A.J. Feeley signed a 3 year deal w/ the Birds? I'm assuming Mr. Garcia won't be with us anymore... I was really surprised when I read the text msg this morning but if they couldn't strike a deal, they couldn't strike a deal.

[Bartender84]

I don't think Garcia has any chance of staying with the Eagles now. Some team will pay him huge bucks.

[dmblynny]

I don't think Garcia has any chance of staying with the Eagles now. Some team will pay him huge bucks.
:thumbsup I agree... and he'll do well somewhere else! Good for him...

Some people are saying now that Garcia most likely won't be there, Stallworth is the next one to go. :( (for money reasons) I hope that's not true!!! I really like him and think he's a good asset to our team. We'll see in the weeks to come...

[dmbmuskie]

:thumbsup I agree... and he'll do well somewhere else! Good for him...

Some people are saying now that Garcia most likely won't be there, Stallworth is the next one to go. :( (for money reasons) I hope that's not true!!! I really like him and think he's a good asset to our team. We'll see in the weeks to come...

If Stallworth could play a whole season he'd be worth paying the money he is going to command.

[dmblynny]

If Stallworth could play a whole season he'd be worth paying the money he is going to command.
I know... that's the problem... "health reliability." :rolleyes There's rumors of him going to San Fran but we'll see. I'd really liike to see him stay but...

[thebigv]

Umm...John Cooper is a scout consultant for the Bengals? Christ, that explains everything!

[Trippin4136]

Cooper was actually an EXCELLENT recruiter at Ohio State.

Eddie George, Shawn Springs, Mike Doss, Terry Glenn, David Boston, Joey Galloway, basically our entire 2002 Championship team and so on and so on were all thanks to him.

He just couldn't win the big game or beat Meatchicken to save his life.

[thebigv]

Come on, Jon. that was obviously a shot to OSU, comparing the 'quality' of players in Cincy to the players that Cooper brought to OSU. No? No fun?

[BotheDMBFan]

Jamal Lewis= Unemployed

[DMBtheStoned]

Go Bucs!

[dmbmuskie]

I'm frankly surprised Cooper can find a job anywhere in Ohio.

[dmbmuskie]

Pacman :lol

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/01/bc.fbn.titans.jones.ap/index.html

[mikemack8]

If Stallworth could play a whole season he'd be worth paying the money he is going to command.Same could be said of McNabb...

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE McNabb. I think he's a top 5 QB in the league EASILY, when he's healthy. But he has trouble with just that, staying healthy.

[dmbmuskie]

If it was any team other than the Raiders I'd like to see Moss get traded, but I think they'd screw it up.

Honestly, if you trade Moss you make reciever a need for your organization, which makes the perceived best player in the draft, Calvin Johnson, a realistic pick at number 1. This in turn could create a bidding war for the number 1 pick, because the teams picking after the 1st 2 teams expect him to be there.

This would leave the Raiders with the possibility of landing Russell, if he's the guy they want, at signifigantly lesser cost and additional picks this year and next. Obviously, Moss is going to bring a 1st round pick in return, which could be used to grab a tackle. They then use the 1st pick of the 2nd round to pick up a guard. Then at the beginning of the 3rd round they draft Anthony Gonzales, who many believe is the best reciever, not the best athlete or prospect in the draft.

[Trippin4136]

Come on, Jon. that was obviously a shot to OSU, comparing the 'quality' of players in Cincy to the players that Cooper brought to OSU. No? No fun?

Well than the joke or wit your statement went right over my head.

[thebigv]

Well than the joke or wit your statement went right over my head.

I highly doubt it went 'over' your head. Probably more under it than anything. :D

[Tiduwho]

So Dre Bly joins Champ Bailey in Denver. And Joey Porter gets cut from the Steelers.

[twosteppinpun]

I know... that's the problem... "health reliability." :rolleyes There's rumors of him going to San Fran but we'll see. I'd really liike to see him stay but...

I'd easily take Bennett over Stallworth right now.

[dmbmuskie]

So Dre Bly joins Champ Bailey in Denver. And Joey Porter gets cut from the Steelers.

Doesn't it seem like Denver pulls money out of it's ass every year to sign or add someone?

[dmbmuskie]

I cannot believe the money being thrown around.

[DMBtheStoned]

Bucs sign Jeff Garcia.

[dmbmuskie]

Bucs sign Jeff Garcia.

They also traded for Jake Plummer. WTF?

[DMBtheStoned]

They also traded for Jake Plummer. WTF?

Ya I don't get it, is plummer going to retire or what?

[dmbmuskie]

Ya I don't get it, is plummer going to retire or what?

What the hell are you thinking if you are Sims right now?

I cannot see Plummer retiring, but I cannot see him suiting up for the Bucs.

[DMBtheStoned]

Well I guess the Bucs want to make sure they have a solid starter/backup with experience. It sucked when we had to start a rookie after sims got hurt. I like Sims, I'd rather have him start and have one of those guy backup. I don't see Plummer and Garcia both making the bucs.

[Trippin4136]

I mean are the 49ers out of their god damn minds?

8 yr/80 mil + $22M signing bonus for a friggin cornerback? Stupid.

[dmblynny]

Wow, it is true bout Garcia, huh??? Good for him. I feel like the Bucs have a lot of potential and he deserves that... good guy... good QB. I'm happy with this outcome.


I saw the Cowboys re-signed Terry Glenn... he worrys me more than the other one but whatever... we had our way with them twice in '06. :angel

[tedies]

I think Tampa is making some awful moves. Plummer is no better than Simms and Garcia is decent but he is old and they a franchise type QB. Now they have 3 duds and then Garcia. Don't they have a high draft pick?? Oh well I'm glad my team has Palmer(aka the man)

[DMBtheStoned]

Plummer and Garcia both won't make the team. I expect only one of them to make it as a backup to sims.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tampa Bay= Looking for a good reason to fire Jon Gruden.

[DynastyDrummer1]

i'd assume that tampa has given up on chris simms. just a guess. here's what i'm wondering though, jeff garcia was told he'd have the starting job in oakland so jamarcus russell, or whatever other quarterback they draft, could sit and learn. i'm thinking tampa may have told him he's looking like the #1 coming into it. why give up a starting job to sit the bench?

[BotheDMBFan]

Because no one wants to warm a seat for a rookie.

[DMBtheStoned]

I bet it comes down to a battle between simms/garcia. I see simms starting and garcia as a backup incase simms gets hurt or sucks. I think plummer will still retire.

[BotheDMBFan]

Plummer just got traded to the Texans.

[s0628711]

Plummer just got traded to the Texans.
Really?!?

[BotheDMBFan]

No, not really.

[dmbmuskie]

The 49ers have lost their god damned minds.

Michael Lewis gets benched in Philly, so he gets a huge deal from San Fran.

I'm really worried what kind of money it will take to sign Polamalu if Clements is worth 27 million guaranteed.

[dmbmuskie]

Vilma to the Lions for the 2nd overall pick.

There is no way that's true is there, is there?

[xBigNastyx]

Adalius Thomas,

Welcome to New England...

[clayj41]

Adalius Thomas,

Welcome to New England...

:thumbsup That's huge for them.

[dmbmuskie]

Adalius Thomas,

Welcome to New England...

Adalius Thomas, welcome to being 30.

I don't think it's a good move. NE paid for his past success rather than his future results. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

99% of these deals have just been crazy. This one is a little less crazy when compared to some of the others.

[xBigNastyx]

Adalius Thomas, welcome to being 30.

I don't think it's a good move. NE paid for his past success rather than his future results. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

99% of these deals have just been crazy. This one is a little less crazy when compared to some of the others.


Man, how did I know that you would be the one person to criticize this move? Like I have said before, you just can't say anything good about New England.

And your opinion will continue to be completely 100% MOOT. So don't even bother with it.

[dmbmuskie]

Man, how did I know that you would be the one person to criticize this move? Like I have said before, you just can't say anything good about New England.

And your opinion will continue to be completely 100% MOOT. So don't even bother with it.

He's a soon to be 30 year old linebacker. There isn't a good track record there. His best football is behind him. You cannot argue that.

I think Antwaan Peek would have been the best fit for any 3-4 team based on age and how much money he commanded.

Cleveland is having a great offseason by signing Peek and Steinbach.

[clayj41]

I see the Texans were able to sign Ahman Green. That really opens the door for the Pack to draft Marshawn Lynch...

[dmbmuskie]

I see the Texans were able to sign Ahman Green. That really opens the door for the Pack to draft Marshawn Lynch...

I think his character issues drop him out of round 1. I he doesn't slide because I'd like to see teams trying to trade infront of the Packers to 15th spot, and giving the Steelers some extra picks. The Steelers need linebackers, and there just isn't anyone worth taking at 15.

[thebigv]

I think his character issues drop him out of round 1. I he doesn't slide because I'd like to see teams trying to trade infront of the Packers to 15th spot, and giving the Steelers some extra picks. The Steelers need linebackers, and there just isn't anyone worth taking at 15.

If Patrick Willis is around he'd be a great add to the Steelers lineup.

[dmbmuskie]

If Patrick Willis is around he'd be a great add to the Steelers lineup.

I agree, but most draft people don't think he's worth the 15th pick. I'd love to add him, but we need to add 3 or 4 linebackers in this draft. I think we could still land him in the mid 20s and add another pick or 2 in the top 100.

The Steelers draft needs are still completely unknown until Tomlin decides on a scheme. I'm really starting to think he's going to let the draft dictate what he does rather than letting what he does dictate the draft.

Steinbach and Peak were excellent signings by the way, as was extending Fraley. If Tucker comes back, Peterson looks like a better pick all the time.

[Trippin4136]

Thomas Jones was traded to the Jets for virtually nothing. The Jets trade down their first of two 2nd round picks and get Thomas Jones. What can you say, the Bears virtually gave him away.

Joey Harrington was released by the Dolphins, could they be making room for Brady Quinn? The Dolphins could just be keeping their options open.

[thebigv]

I agree, but most draft people don't think he's worth the 15th pick. I'd love to add him, but we need to add 3 or 4 linebackers in this draft. I think we could still land him in the mid 20s and add another pick or 2 in the top 100.

The Steelers draft needs are still completely unknown until Tomlin decides on a scheme. I'm really starting to think he's going to let the draft dictate what he does rather than letting what he does dictate the draft.

Steinbach and Peak were excellent signings by the way, as was extending Fraley. If Tucker comes back, Peterson looks like a better pick all the time.

I'm enjoying having savage around. It's good to see we have some with some brains in the front office...god knows we haven't in the past.

That's an interesting way take on the Steelers draft, but this is a pretty thin draft LBer wise, isn't it?

Thomas Jones was traded to the Jets for virtually nothing. The Jets trade down their first of two 2nd round picks and get Thomas Jones. What can you say, the Bears virtually gave him away.

Joey Harrington was released by the Dolphins, could they be making room for Brady Quinn? The Dolphins could just be keeping their options open.

I can't believe the Bears let TJ go that easily, what a joke. When they lose Briggs, it's going to get even worse.

The Vikings and Browns both had their owners at ND's Pro Day today, I'm sure the Dolphins will be in full staff at the next Pro Day (March 22nd).

[dmbmuskie]

I'm enjoying having savage around. It's good to see we have some with some brains in the front office...god knows we haven't in the past.

That's an interesting way take on the Steelers draft, but this is a pretty thin draft LBer wise, isn't it?

I can't believe the Bears let TJ go that easily, what a joke. When they lose Briggs, it's going to get even worse.

The Vikings and Browns both had their owners at ND's Pro Day today, I'm sure the Dolphins will be in full staff at the next Pro Day (March 22nd).

It's a real thin draft at linebacker. I think the Steelers are really screwed. Porter wasn't the linebacker he used to be, but he was still a valuable commodity. I never thought I'd see the day where the Steelers best linebacker was Larry Foote.

I don't think the Bears did a bad job in shipping Jones away for a 2nd rounder. It's all about how that pick is used. There should be good RB value towards the end of the 2nd round with Irons, Pittman, Hunt, and Bush possibly available. If they improve the o-line through the draft, a lesser back could match TJ's production. Also, this may have been done to resign Briggs to a long term deal, who I feel is more important than Jones.

I believe the Patriots have lost their mind. They are throwing picks and money around like the Redskins

[cbotnyse]

Jerry Porter signs with Miami. Seems like a good deal for him and the team. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2789401&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

[xBigNastyx]

It's a real thin draft at linebacker. I think the Steelers are really screwed. Porter wasn't the linebacker he used to be, but he was still a valuable commodity. I never thought I'd see the day where the Steelers best linebacker was Larry Foote.

I don't think the Bears did a bad job in shipping Jones away for a 2nd rounder. It's all about how that pick is used. There should be good RB value towards the end of the 2nd round with Irons, Pittman, Hunt, and Bush possibly available. If they improve the o-line through the draft, a lesser back could match TJ's production. Also, this may have been done to resign Briggs to a long term deal, who I feel is more important than Jones.

I believe the Patriots have lost their mind. They are throwing picks and money around like the Redskins

And you continue your streak of never having anything good to say about the Patriots....All I can say is the Pats will be there at the end...But yeah, keep criticizing EVERYTHING they do, no matter what it is.

[UNC41]

And you continue your streak of never having anything good to say about the Patriots....All I can say is the Pats will be there at the end...But yeah, keep criticizing EVERYTHING they do, no matter what it is.

I don't think the Thomas move was a bad one like some, but they completely over paid and over compensated Miami for Welker.

[dmbmuskie]

And you continue your streak of never having anything good to say about the Patriots....All I can say is the Pats will be there at the end...But yeah, keep criticizing EVERYTHING they do, no matter what it is.

Why do you care?

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think the Thomas move was a bad one like some, but they completely over paid and over compensated Miami for Welker.

I don't think it was a bad move, but I don't think it's the slam dunk everyone else seems too. Chances are he's already played his best football.

[thebigv]

Why do you care?

I'm with you on this, Jason. By human nature you're not going to like others negative opinions. While I don't agree with all of statements about the Pats, I can understand his opinions.

It makes me feel dirty to agree with a Steelers fan.

[xBigNastyx]

Adalius Thomas, welcome to being 30.

I don't think it's a good move. NE paid for his past success rather than his future results. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

99% of these deals have just been crazy. This one is a little less crazy when compared to some of the others.


Here is qoute number one.

[xBigNastyx]

I don't think it was a bad move, but I don't think it's the slam dunk everyone else seems too. Chances are he's already played his best football.


There is qoute number two.

[xBigNastyx]

I love how you're careful to go one way. You always leave yourself outs with your stupid opinions so that you can flip flop all the time....Later down the road, if Thomas ends up being a great move fort he Pats you will say "I never said it was a bad move."

You can deny this ALL you want, but I have seen you do this type of crap over and over.

[UNC41]

I love how you're careful to go one way. You always leave yourself outs with your stupid opinions so that you can flip flop all the time....Later down the road, if Thomas ends up being a great move fort he Pats you will say "I never said it was a bad move."

You can deny this ALL you want, but I have seen you do this type of crap over and over.

Thoughts on Welker ...

[xBigNastyx]

Thoughts on Welker ...

All I saw was they gave up an undisclosed draft selection...So I don't really know yet...

I do like what he will add however...But I'm not sure what they gave up yet so I'm not sure.

[xBigNastyx]

Ok I just saw they gave up their 2nd and 7th round picks for Welker...

That I don't like.

[dmbmuskie]

You can't think something is a good move and bad move at the same time.

If he puts up 15 sacks this year and they win the Super Bowl, then it's a good move. History tells us this is unlikely. When linebackers and running backs get close to 30 they can go downhill quickly. Also, the Ravens have one of the best front offices in football, and they decided to let him go. You don't let great players go.

Personally, I would have resigned Banta-Cain or signed Peak.

[dmb71687]

You can't think something is a good move and bad move at the same time.

If he puts up 15 sacks this year and they win the Super Bowl, then it's a good move. History tells us this is unlikely. When linebackers and running backs get close to 30 they can go downhill quickly. Also, the Ravens have one of the best front offices in football, and they decided to let him go. You don't let great players go.

Personally, I would have resigned Banta-Cain or signed Peak.

This coming from a Steelers fan whose team just realeased Joey Porter????

[dmbmuskie]

This coming from a Steelers fan whose team just realeased Joey Porter????

Porter hasn't been great since he got shot. He's been a good player, and flashes brilliance on occasion, but he hasn't been the same since then. He's definitely not worth 20 million in guaranteed money.

[dmb71687]

...I'm sorry, but if Joey Porter isn't a "great linebacker," there is no such thing as a great linebacker in the NFL.

Lance Briggs? Looks like the Bears will be getting rid of him, he's not a great player?

Saying "teams don't let great players go" is simply false. A lot of teams do..

[xBigNastyx]

The thing that is funny is during this past season I have seen you say how good Porter is...

But now that he is gone, you go on and say he wasn't that great...

I HATE how you flip flop EVERYTHING.

[dmbhoosier21]

Yes! It's Nasty again taking a criticism of the Patriots as a personal insult.


edit: who cares what muskie or anyone else for that matter thinks of the Pats, everyone knows they are going to be contending again so why does it even matter.

[xBigNastyx]

Yes! It's Nasty again taking a criticism of the Patriots as a personal insult.


edit: who cares what muskie or anyone else for that matter thinks of the Pats, everyone knows they are going to be contending again so why does it even matter.


No, no, no you got me wrong...


I'm not angry..I just find everythng Muskie says to be pathetic and hypocritical.

[dmbmuskie]

...I'm sorry, but if Joey Porter isn't a "great linebacker," there is no such thing as a great linebacker in the NFL.

Lance Briggs? Looks like the Bears will be getting rid of him, he's not a great player?

Saying "teams don't let great players go" is simply false. A lot of teams do..

We throw great around all too often when talking about football players. I've watched every game of Porter's career, and he has been one of the best if not the best 3-4 OLB for the better part of a decade. He's no longer that player.

The thing that is funny is during this past season I have seen you say how good Porter is...

But now that he is gone, you go on and say he wasn't that great...

I HATE how you flip flop EVERYTHING.

Porter sucked this year. That's not flip flopping, that's looking at someone for who is is now rather than who he was.

[xBigNastyx]

...I'm sorry, but if Joey Porter isn't a "great linebacker," there is no such thing as a great linebacker in the NFL.

Lance Briggs? Looks like the Bears will be getting rid of him, he's not a great player?

Saying "teams don't let great players go" is simply false. A lot of teams do..


Of course teams let good players go. He just said that cause he thinks it makes his statement of Thomas not being a good addition to NE and the Steelers losing Porter not being a big deal, more valid.

[xBigNastyx]

I guess Steve Huthinson isn't a good lineman either since Seattle let him go a couple years ago...

And I guess Dre Bly isn't a very good CB either....


Man I could go on and on...


:rolleyes

[dmbmuskie]

The Patriots will contend this year because they have Brady. He wins in spite of the mess going on around him.

Can you imagine Manning be called into Dungy's office, and being told, "We solved your WR problem. We signed Wes Welker, and sent a high draft pick to a division rival in the process".

[thebigv]

From everything I've heard from Jason, Porter wasn't worth the money he wanted. If there's anything about Pitt's franchise, they refuse to overpay for players that don't have a future. Bottom line. The Steelers are f*ing screwed at LBer this year, he won't say otherwise.