NFL Football 2006-2007

[thebigv]

Jesus christ the Raiders are horrible. Beyond horrible.

[41ravens]

Jesus christ the Raiders are horrible. Beyond horrible.

i think for my fantasy league i'm just going to pick up whatever defense they're playing that week, if available. should be good for some points.

[Bartender84]

I think they'll end up getting manhandled against the Bears.
And then people will talk even more shit about the Hawks, and guess what? They'll still make it at least to the Championship game. This is exactly how last season started.

[Bartender84]

It definitely won't be a blowout though. The Seahawks defense is almost as good as the Bears D, and definitely much better than Green Bay or Detroit, and the Hawks have alot more weapons on offense.

[dmbmuskie]

It definitely won't be a blowout though. The Seahawks defense is almost as good as the Bears D, and definitely much better than Green Bay or Detroit, and the Hawks have alot more weapons on offense.

Your D isn't in the same league as the Bears.

[BotheDMBFan]

My Detroit Lions boycott is now entering its third week. I mean, is there a more pathetic team in all of sports?

Oakland, Green Bay, Tennesee....

[BotheDMBFan]

It definitely won't be a blowout though. The Seahawks defense is almost as good as the Bears D, and definitely much better than Green Bay or Detroit, and the Hawks have alot more weapons on offense.

in the words of Tom Jackson, are you retarded?

[UNC41]

Oakland, Green Bay, Tennesee....

The Packers may have struggled the past couple years, but their franchise as a whole is nowhere near as pathetic as the Lions.

[BotheDMBFan]

The Packers may have struggled the past couple years, but their franchise as a whole is nowhere near as pathetic as the Lions.

I'm talking as a team this year, they are pathetic.

The line is horrid, Farve looks bad, the Defense is utter shit, special teams is a let down.


The team just sucks.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I love how every year no one gives any credit to the Pats. Someone's list in this thread for top teams right now were Atl, Chicago, Seattle, chargers, and colts? None of those teams are better all around than t fully healthy Patriots team. But whatever, every year clowns count them out, and every year they prove everyone wrong. Last year was the only exception, and they only didn't win because their entire team was injured. anyone who knows anything about football knows that new england is a SERIOUS superbowl contender once again, and is a much better team than the chargers lol.

Atlanta won't get anywhere near the superbowl. I love how you people are saying not to read much into Seattle's game because it was just one game, but yet after 2 games you same people are ready to announce the falcons as going to the superbowl. The Falcons are extremely over rated. Everyone keeps saying they are the best rushing team. IMO they aren't. anyone can put up 300 rushing yards if you have 3 guys rushing the ball every play and only pass 15 times. :lol

[UglyNakedGuy]

I'm talking as a team this year, they are pathetic.

The line is horrid, Farve looks bad, the Defense is utter shit, special teams is a let down.


The team just sucks.

If you knew anything you would know Favre (learn to spell a hall of famers' name before you criticize him) has actually looked fine, but he gets no protection and the rest of his team blows.

[UNC41]

I'm talking as a team this year, they are pathetic.

The line is horrid, Farve looks bad, the Defense is utter shit, special teams is a let down.


The team just sucks.

Favre struggling is more of his surroundings and situations than what he's got left IMO. He has to force about 10 passes a game because the Packers are always down and he has absolutely zero playmakers on offense. Green can be a good back, but he's not a playmaker anymore. Driver is a nice receiver, but he's not one either. Throw some talent around Favre and he'd be just fine.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Atlanta has surprised the hell out of me, Vick is actually plaing well.

Here's my top 5(In no order)

Bears
Falcons
Seahawks
Colts
Chargers

Granted, the Falcons and Colts are the only people who have actually played someone, but still, these teams are off the chain.

If you think those are the top 5 teams in the nfl than you are fucking high or something.

Not ONE of those teams are going to the superbowl.

[UNC41]

If you knew anything you would know Favre (learn to spell a hall of famers' name before you criticize him) has actually looked fine, but he gets no protection and the rest of his team blows.

This is why you come off so abrasive at times. The context of your post would have been the same if you had omitted it. If you wonder why people are on your back so much in the MLB thread, it's calling people dumb for stating their opinion.

EDIT: I just read your above post and that is another great example.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Anyone who says Favre completely sucks now doesn't have much knowledge of the game of football or has even seen him play recently. he isn't the same QB he was a few years ago, but he is no where close to sucking. Put some talent around him, and he will win you games.

[UglyNakedGuy]

People are harsh about Favre and say he is pathetic, so I defend with a harshness. I probly did it too harshly, it's just getting on my nerves hearing people say he sucks. I mean honestly, if you watch football and know about it, you can easily see that it's because the rest of his team sucks.

[UglyNakedGuy]

This is why you come off so abrasive at times. The context of your post would have been the same if you had omitted it. If you wonder why people are on your back so much in the MLB thread, it's calling people dumb for stating their opinion.

EDIT: I just read your above post and that is another great example.

Fair enough. I aborted the MLB Thread by the way, cause most of the people in there are idiots. Well not most, just one or two...

[UNC41]

The thing is, I don't know how many times I've read you get upset at people for personally attacking you. Well ....

[UglyNakedGuy]

This MNF game is gonna be a good one...Nice physical game. The MNF games last week were a joke..

It's getting annoying with the choices for MNF games. Next week, New Orleans gets it? IMO it's ridiculous how they are the countries new team because of the hurricane. I mean it's awful what happened, but stop ramming it down my throat ya know? They shouldnt be labeled as americas team now just because of a hurricane that had nothing to do with football. On top of that, they are playing the Atlanta "running backs", the team without a QB...Should be another crappy MNF game imo.

[UglyNakedGuy]

The thing is, I don't know how many times I've read you get upset at people for personally attacking you. Well ....

Ok great. Let it go. Let's talk football now.

[Tiduwho]

No one gives credit to the Pats? Lmao...I think you are the one who is high. The Eastern Seaboard Promotional Network has been on their balls for 3 years straight. Any TV media really. Brady, Bruschi, Bellichek, it's a nonstop Pats lovefest. They were practically ready to give them their own channel.

Because a couple fans around the country don't mention the Pats, then the world is against them, okay.

[UglyNakedGuy]

No one gives credit to the Pats? Lmao...I think you are the one who is high. The Eastern Seaboard Promotional Network has been on their balls for 3 years straight. Any TV media really. Brady, Bruschi, Bellichek, it's a nonstop Pats lovefest. They were practically ready to give them their own channel.

Because a couple fans around the country don't mention the Pats, then the world is against them, okay.

By not giving them credit, I mean not ever picking them to do well. It seems like they are underdogs A LOT, and it doesn't make sense. Don't make up stuff and pretend I ever said "the world is against the Patriots" because I never ever said that. Recently, someone I was talking to asked me in person "how does it feel that the Pats are coming to their end?" and I was like wtf, they are better than they have been in a while IMO,a nd they are healthy. And polls picked the DOLPHINS to win the AFC EAST! Are you kidding me? It's those things that I am talking about. And then someone in here names the Bears, Chargers, Colts, FALCONS!?!?! as being better than the Pats this year?! HAHA, that's hilarious. It just made me burst since I am def up with people couting the Patriots out.

And just cause they are talked about doesn't mean they don't get count out. I didn't say they don't get recognition in that sense. It's just every time they get picked against. The Colts were picked to beat them in the playoffs in 2004, the Steelers were picked to win the AFC game in 2004, every year that happens, how many times to they have to win to actually get PICKED to win?

[CBurton27]

I like Chad Johnson a lot...

But wasn't it great seeing him get BLOWN UP yesterday!!! That dude got knocked back into Saturday.

[BotheDMBFan]

This game going on right now is fucking great.

[BotheDMBFan]

If you think those are the top 5 teams in the nfl than you are fucking high or something.

Not ONE of those teams are going to the superbowl.

Bu how do you know?

So, by picking 5 teams that are 2-0, and have had dominate wins(bar the Seahawks, but the defense has looked pretty good, and they were in the SB last year.) I'm high?

Lemme guess, you're jus tpissed because I didn't pick the Pats?

[CBurton27]

This game going on right now is fucking great.

I LOVE Defense!

[BotheDMBFan]

I LOVE Defense!

Same here.

[RJ2kWJ]

I LOVE Defense!

Same here. :thumbsup

[Bartndrpleez]

Next victim for the Jags: Peyton Manning and the Colts. :D

At least we got ONE badass team in this state! Let's hear it for the Jaguars!!! :bounce

[UglyNakedGuy]

Man Jax made Pittsburgh look silly.

Steve Young is right though, Jacksonville isn't gonna go anywhere unless they learn what the concept of the word "offense" is.

[RJ2kWJ]

Man Jax made Pittsburgh look silly.

Steve Young is right though, Jacksonville isn't gonna go anywhere unless they learn what the concept of the word "offense" is.

Are you watching the same Jaguars team I am?

Byron to Matt and Reggie. Fred Taylor is unreal...

They put up almost 400 yards on the Steelers defense.... How is that not "an offense"?

[BotheDMBFan]

They couldn't, however, get it into the endzone.

[Tiduwho]

By not giving them credit, I mean not ever picking them to do well. It seems like they are underdogs A LOT, and it doesn't make sense. Don't make up stuff and pretend I ever said "the world is against the Patriots" because I never ever said that. Recently, someone I was talking to asked me in person "how does it feel that the Pats are coming to their end?" and I was like wtf, they are better than they have been in a while IMO,a nd they are healthy. And polls picked the DOLPHINS to win the AFC EAST! Are you kidding me? It's those things that I am talking about. And then someone in here names the Bears, Chargers, Colts, FALCONS!?!?! as being better than the Pats this year?! HAHA, that's hilarious. It just made me burst since I am def up with people couting the Patriots out.

And just cause they are talked about doesn't mean they don't get count out. I didn't say they don't get recognition in that sense. It's just every time they get picked against. The Colts were picked to beat them in the playoffs in 2004, the Steelers were picked to win the AFC game in 2004, every year that happens, how many times to they have to win to actually get PICKED to win?


For example, ESPN picked them to be in the Super Bowl again this year. The Dolphins thing was from SI, and yeah it sure looks pretty ridiculous now.

I can't wait for week 8 though. Should be fun.

[UglyNakedGuy]

For example, ESPN picked them to be in the Super Bowl again this year. The Dolphins thing was from SI, and yeah it sure looks pretty ridiculous now.

I can't wait for week 8 though. Should be fun.

I thought it was ridiculous before the season even started.

[BotheDMBFan]

You;re saying the Pats, who almost lost to the Bills, and almost choked away a win to the JETS, should be tops?

[UglyNakedGuy]

You;re saying the Pats, who almost lost to the Bills, and almost choked away a win to the JETS, should be tops?

Show me where I said they are the number one best team in the NFL? By the way the Jets aren't that bad.

By the way, the Panthers are still better than the Falconsdespite week 1 and despite their records. You must be one of those people who jump on bandwagons after 2 games. I bet a few years ago when Detroit started like 4-1 you were one of the people who thought they were a good team right? Flukey shit happens early in the season, it's not hard to grasp man. Anyone who thinks the Chargers, who never make the playoffs, the Falcons, the Ravens, and the Colts who have NO running game whatsoever are better than Pats obviously don't have much knowledge of the game of football. The Colts may be able to outshoot the Texans and other shitty teams, but they won't be able to play physical ball with the good teams like Pittsburgh, Jax, NE, etc.

And the Bills beat the Dolphins and are much improved by the way. Are you one of the people who picked the Dolphins to win the East? I bet you were.

The fact that you made a list of your top 5 teams and Carolina, NE, Pitts, Jax, NYG even were not on it proves something to me....

In week 2, you don't base the best teams off of who is 2-0 like you did. Carolina is the best team in the NFL still, they start slow every year, normally they start 1-1, but they will be fine.

[UNC41]

Show me where I said they are the number one best team in the NFL? By the way the Jets aren't that bad.

By the way, the Panthers are still better than the Falconsdespite week 1 and despite their records. You must be one of those people who jump on bandwagons after 2 games. I bet a few years ago when Detroit started like 4-1 you were one of the people who thought they were a good team right? Flukey shit happens early in the season, it's not hard to grasp man. Anyone who thinks the Chargers, who never make the playoffs, the Falcons, the Ravens, and the Colts who have NO running game whatsoever are better than Pats obviously don't have much knowledge of the game of football. The Colts may be able to outshoot the Texans and other shitty teams, but they won't be able to play physical ball with the good teams like Pittsburgh, Jax, NE, etc.

And the Bills beat the Dolphins and are much improved by the way. Are you one of the people who picked the Dolphins to win the East? I bet you were.

The fact that you made a list of your top 5 teams and Carolina, NE, Pitts, Jax, NYG even were not on it proves something to me....

In week 2, you don't base the best teams off of who is 2-0 like you did. Carolina is the best team in the NFL still, they start slow every year, normally they start 1-1, but they will be fine.

So let me get this straight ...

The Jets aren't that bad.

The Panthers are 0-2, but not overrated.

The Dolphins are 0-2 and are definately overrated.

The Falcons are averaging more than 275 against some of the best defenses in football, yet they aren't good.

Meanwhile, the Pats win games against an average to below average team and a bad one by a total of nine points while Tom Brady has struggled and he's crazy for not including the Pats in his top 5?

[UglyNakedGuy]

So let me get this straight ...

The Jets aren't that bad.

The Panthers are 0-2, but not overrated.

The Dolphins are 0-2 and are definately overrated.

The Falcons are averaging more than 275 against some of the best defenses in football, yet they aren't good.

Meanwhile, the Pats win games against an average to below average team and a bad one by a total of nine points while Tom Brady has struggled and he's crazy for not including the Pats in his top 5?

First off, the Jets are better than they were last year

Second, I never said the Panthers were not over rated, I just said they are still better than the Falcons, and will finish better than ATL IMO

Third, the Dolphins have always been over rated, Culpepper just isn't that good of a QB, I thought it was a joke when people picked them for the SB.

The Pats are one of the stronger teams in the NFL..

By the way Buffalo's defense is pretty damn good now that it is more healthy than last year.

I am someone who looks at the big picture. I don't go man Brady struggled in week ONE against the Bills, the season is shot! OH NO. And I am not someone to say oh wow the Falcons are 2-0 and the Panthers are 0-2 after week TWO so the Falcons are the best NFC south team. THINGS CHANGE IT IS WEEK 2!. The Panthers are still the best team in the NFC south. Have you ever seen a power ranking? They don't rate the best teams by record, they rate the best teams by who is the best team. Just because the Falcons beat the Panthers in week one does NOT mean they are better, it means the panthers played like shit and gave the game away with an unusual amount of penalties. Don't expect the Falcons to beat the Panthers later this season.

By the way, it's pretty damn easy to get 275 rush yards when you are running every play with 3 different guys, and your QB runs more than he throws.

[BotheDMBFan]

My picks were for UP TO THE MOMENT.

It's changed a little bit now.

(In no order)

Bears
Falcons
Jaguars
Chargers
Colts.

I hate not having the Seahawks in there, but the Jags fucking impressed tonight.

[UglyNakedGuy]

My picks were for UP TO THE MOMENT.

It's changed a little bit now.

(In no order)

Bears
Falcons
Jaguars
Chargers
Colts.

I hate not having the Seahawks in there, but the Jags fucking impressed tonight.

I just find that list very humerous. Just curious, why do you base who the best teams are so early off of records? What if the two best NFL teams play each other in week 2, that means neither can be undefeated in week 2, so that means they aren't on your list of best teams? That's goofy IMO. The Ravens are better than the Bears. The Panthers are better than the Falcons, the Jags are the only team on your list I agree with.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Here's my five

Jags
Patriots
Panthers
colts
Steelers

I left the colts but they will go no where in the playoffs if they dont learn how to run the ball and play in low scoring games. They seem to only win when the game is a shootout, and every year they have the easiest schedule I have ever seen.

[BotheDMBFan]

First off, the Jets are better than they were last year

Second, I never said the Panthers were not over rated, I just said they are still better than the Falcons, and will finish better than ATL IMO

Third, the Dolphins have always been over rated, Culpepper just isn't that good of a QB, I thought it was a joke when people picked them for the SB.

The Pats are one of the stronger teams in the NFL..

By the way Buffalo's defense is pretty damn good now that it is more healthy than last year.

I am someone who looks at the big picture. I don't go man Brady struggled in week ONE against the Bills, the season is shot! OH NO. And I am not someone to say oh wow the Falcons are 2-0 and the Panthers are 0-2 after week TWO so the Falcons are the best NFC south team. THINGS CHANGE IT IS WEEK 2!. The Panthers are still the best team in the NFC south. Have you ever seen a power ranking? They don't rate the best teams by record, they rate the best teams by who is the best team. Just because the Falcons beat the Panthers in week one does NOT mean they are better, it means the panthers played like shit and gave the game away with an unusual amount of penalties. Don't expect the Falcons to beat the Panthers later this season.

By the way, it's pretty damn easy to get 275 rush yards when you are running every play with 3 different guys, and your QB runs more than he throws.

1. Who cares if the Jets are better than last year, they're still bad.

2. They may end up being better at the end of the season, but at the moment, they're making stupid mistakes, while ATL is doing everything right.

3. I'll admit, I bought into the Miami hype(I had them winning the division, and the Pats just missing the playoffs), and they are horrid.

4. They're a good team no doubt, but not top 5 material.

5. The defense does look better, but Buffalo is still a sub-par team.

6. Again, this was up to this point.

7. If someting isn't broke, why fix it? It's not like they're avg. 275 rushing yds a game, and getting blown out, they're winning in impressive fashion.

[BotheDMBFan]

I just find that list very humerous. Just curious, why do you base who the best teams are so early off of records? What if the two best NFL teams play each other in week 2, that means neither can be undefeated in week 2, so that means they aren't on your list of best teams? That's goofy IMO. The Ravens are better than the Bears. The Panthers are better than the Falcons, the Jags are the only team on your list I agree with.

Because every week it changes(unless all teams in it keep playing as well as they did the previous week, then it'll probably stay the same ;).)

[UNC41]

First off, the Jets are better than they were last year

Second, I never said the Panthers were not over rated, I just said they are still better than the Falcons, and will finish better than ATL IMO

Third, the Dolphins have always been over rated, Culpepper just isn't that good of a QB, I thought it was a joke when people picked them for the SB.

The Pats are one of the stronger teams in the NFL..

By the way Buffalo's defense is pretty damn good now that it is more healthy than last year.

I am someone who looks at the big picture. I don't go man Brady struggled in week ONE against the Bills, the season is shot! OH NO. And I am not someone to say oh wow the Falcons are 2-0 and the Panthers are 0-2 after week TWO so the Falcons are the best NFC south team. THINGS CHANGE IT IS WEEK 2!. The Panthers are still the best team in the NFC south. Have you ever seen a power ranking? They don't rate the best teams by record, they rate the best teams by who is the best team. Just because the Falcons beat the Panthers in week one does NOT mean they are better, it means the panthers played like shit and gave the game away with an unusual amount of penalties. Don't expect the Falcons to beat the Panthers later this season.

By the way, it's pretty damn easy to get 275 rush yards when you are running every play with 3 different guys, and your QB runs more than he throws.

Saying the Jets are better than last year is like saying a small dick in your ass is better than a big dick in your ass.

You said the Panthers are the best team in the NFL. They are not right now. The best team in the NFL does not give away a game like they did yesterday.

If you think Culpepper is the big problem in Miami, you must not have watched a game. It's the o-line.

The Pats are a good team, but you act like it's outlandish to not put them in your top five when they've had to unimpressive wins. I know you won't admit it, but Brady is missing Branch far more than Pats fans assumed he would.

Buffalo has a pretty good defense and a horrendous offense. That does not make them a good team.

And did you honestly compare this year's Falcons team the 2004 (I'm guessing that was the year you were referring to, but they started 3-1, not 4-1). Their defense is far better than anything the Lions have seen in the past 10 years and that ground game is absolutely insane. It's easy to average 275 yards on the ground over two games? Find me another team in the NFL that could do it? Just because their offense is not like other teams in the NFL doesn't mean it's not effecitve as hell. It suits Vick perfect and when he's been in an offense that fits him in the past he's had a lot of success.

Yes, I've seen a Power Rankings. Here's ESPN's and CNNSI's after Week 1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=2
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/09/13/week1.rankings/index.html

[seekupig]

my current top 5.... (in no order)

Baltimore
Cincinatti
Jacksonville
NY Giants
Indianapolis

[UglyNakedGuy]

Saying the Jets are better than last year is like saying a small dick in your ass is better than a big dick in your ass.

You said the Panthers are the best team in the NFL. They are not right now. The best team in the NFL does not give away a game like they did yesterday.

If you think Culpepper is the big problem in Miami, you must not have watched a game. It's the o-line.

The Pats are a good team, but you act like it's outlandish to not put them in your top five when they've had to unimpressive wins. I know you won't admit it, but Brady is missing Branch far more than Pats fans assumed he would.

Buffalo has a pretty good defense and a horrendous offense. That does not make them a good team.

And did you honestly compare this year's Falcons team the 2004 (I'm guessing that was the year you were referring to, but they started 3-1, not 4-1). Their defense is far better than anything the Lions have seen in the past 10 years and that ground game is absolutely insane. It's easy to average 275 yards on the ground over two games? Find me another team in the NFL that could do it? Just because their offense is not like other teams in the NFL doesn't mean it's not effecitve as hell. It suits Vick perfect and when he's been in an offense that fits him in the past he's had a lot of success.

Yes, I've seen a Power Rankings. Here's ESPN's and CNNSI's after Week 1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=2
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/09/13/week1.rankings/index.html

I never said the Panthers were the number one best team in the nfl. Don't make up shit again. I know you love to, but don't.

Watch every NE game, and then talk to me about Branch. Brady doesn't miss him as much as you claim. The Falcons have started off hot, but they won't win big games in the playoffs with Vick. You can qoute me there.

I never said Buffalo was a good team by the way, I said they weren't as bad as before, and they have a good defense. So AGAIN, quit making up shit, it's lame. I know you have to to further your arguement, but it's wiser to not put words in my mouth and pretend I said things I never said.

[UNC41]

Right now my six (I can't figure who to leave out), in alphabetical order ...

Atlanta
Baltimore
Chicago
Indy
Jacksonville
San Diego

[BotheDMBFan]

Right now my six (I can't figure who to leave out), in alphabetical order ...

Atlanta
Baltimore
Chicago
Indy
Jacksonville
San Diego

I had the same problem.

[UglyNakedGuy]

And did you honestly compare this year's Falcons team the 2004 (I'm guessing that was the year you were referring to, but they started 3-1, not 4-1). Their defense is far better than anything the Lions have seen in the past 10 years and that ground game is absolutely insane. It's easy to average 275 yards on the ground over two games? Find me another team in the NFL that could do it? Just because their offense is not like other teams in the NFL doesn't mean it's not effecitve as hell. It suits Vick perfect and when he's been in an offense that fits him in the past he's had a lot of success.


I didn't COMPARE the falcons to the lions, I just said it's stupid to jump on bandwagons after two weeks and used the Lions as an example as a team where everyone picked to suck before the season started, and then they started hot and people jumped on the bandwagon. I bet a lot of you picked the Falcons as not even making the playoffs this year, and now after week two, they are suddenly one of the top 5 teams in the NFL? These rankings don't mean shit until like week 5-6 when you can get a better idea of where a team is heading. And yes it is EASIER, not EASY to get 275 yds when your team rushes 47 and 44 times a game with up to 4 players running the ball regularly and you throw the ball only 22 and 15 times a game. If a team isn't passing the ball at all, and you are running the ball isntead, obviously you are gonna pile up rushing yards, it's the way it works when you only run the ball every play.

[UNC41]

I never said the Panthers were the number one best team in the nfl. Don't make up shit again. I know you love to, but don't.

Watch every NE game, and then talk to me about Branch. Brady doesn't miss him as much as you claim. The Falcons have started off hot, but they won't win big games in the playoffs with Vick. You can qoute me there.

I never said Buffalo was a good team by the way, I said they weren't as bad as before, and they have a good defense. So AGAIN, quit making up shit, it's lame. I know you have to to further your arguement, but it's wiser to not put words in my mouth and pretend I said things I never said.

This deals with the first paragraph. As much as you love to make shit up about me making shit up, don't.

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5029171&postcount=536

I've watched about 8 or 9 New England drives this year and think Brady looks out of synch with the offense. And he did miss him more than I claim the first game for sure. That's not subjective like so many things in sports are. "It was a big mental drain and I think it affected the way I played."

I never said you called the Bills were good. I mearly stated my opinion on them and said they are not that good.

[tedies]

Right now my six (I can't figure who to leave out), in alphabetical order ...

Atlanta
Baltimore
Chicago
Indy
Jacksonville
San Diego

this looks alright except the fact that san diego is going nowhere and this maybe bias but what about the bengals???

[GavMan33]

First of all, it's nice to see UNG in the spot. I missed you buddy.

I'm an Upstate New Yorker living in Cincinnati; so instead of being able to watch the Buffalo defense get it done this past Sunday in Miami, I watched the Bengals torch the Browns. AFC East boy, born and raised. That said, my Top 5 (in no order):

Colts
Falcons
Bengals (this goes against everything I believe in!)
Jaguars
Bears

[BotheDMBFan]

Nowhere but the playoffs, that division looks horrible bar the Bolts.

[UglyNakedGuy]

This deals with the first paragraph. As much as you love to make shit up about me making shit up, don't.

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5029171&postcount=536

I've watched about 8 or 9 New England drives this year and think Brady looks out of synch with the offense. And he did miss him more than I claim the first game for sure. That's not subjective like so many things in sports are. "It was a big mental drain and I think it affected the way I played."

I never said you called the Bills were good. I mearly stated my opinion on them and said they are not that good.

In week one, it was in his head that he was missing and the situation, not that he wasn't on the field so much.

In week two against NYJ, he looked fine and carried the Pats down field and was pinpoint accurate most of the time.

That's a mistype, I meant to put best team in the NFC.

[UNC41]

I didn't COMPARE the falcons to the lions, I just said it's stupid to jump on bandwagons after two weeks and used the Lions as an example as a team where everyone picked to suck before the season started, and then they started hot and people jumped on the bandwagon. I bet a lot of you picked the Falcons as not even making the playoffs this year, and now after week two, they are suddenly one of the top 5 teams in the NFL? These rankings don't mean shit until like week 5-6 when you can get a better idea of where a team is heading. And yes it is EASIER, not EASY to get 275 yds when your team rushes 47 and 44 times a game with up to 4 players running the ball regularly and you throw the ball only 22 and 15 times a game. If a team isn't passing the ball at all, and you are running the ball isntead, obviously you are gonna pile up rushing yards, it's the way it works when you only run the ball every play.

It's called the huge parody in NFL playoff teams. Every year some teams who people don't predict to make the playoffs do. Atlanta may do it this year, or they may not, but they look damn good right now. You can act like 275 yards a game is not very impressive when the run the ball that often, but I challenge anyone to put together an argument where averaging 6.1 yards per carry over 93 carries against the Panthers and Bucs isn't insane.

[GavMan33]

this looks alright except the fact that san diego is going nowhere and this maybe bias but what about the bengals???

I feel you buddy. Definitely not a Bengals fan, but they look good early. They haven't played anybody yet though. Let's see what happens next weekend vs. the Steelers, then we'll talk again....

[UNC41]

this looks alright except the fact that san diego is going nowhere and this maybe bias but what about the bengals???

I'm curious why the Chargers are going nowhere?

[BotheDMBFan]

It's called the huge parody in NFL playoff teams. Every year some teams who people don't predict to make the playoffs do. Atlanta may do it this year, or they may not, but they look damn good right now. You can act like 275 yards a game is not very impressive when the run the ball that often, but I challenge anyone to put together an argument where averaging 6.1 yards per carry over 93 carries against the Panthers and Bucs isn't insane.

It's like CHicago last year.

They were picked to go 3-13, they ended up winnign the diviion and getting a 1st round bye.

[UglyNakedGuy]

First of all, it's nice to see UNG in the spot. I missed you buddy.

I'm an Upstate New Yorker living in Cincinnati; so instead of being able to watch the Buffalo defense get it done this past Sunday in Miami, I watched the Bengals torch the Browns. AFC East boy, born and raised. That said, my Top 5 (in no order):

Colts
Falcons
Bengals (this goes against everything I believe in!)
Jaguars
Bears

I agree with most of your top 5 except the Falcons should be replaced with the Patriots!

And yeah I miss debating things with you too man.. I had differences with some of those other guys, but I always respected you and how you jut tell me to further my opinion rather than call me an idiot. So I said screw that thread, I don't need to be belittled by some of those guys.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I feel you buddy. Definitely not a Bengals fan, but they look good early. They haven't played anybody yet though. Let's see what happens next weekend vs. the Steelers, then we'll talk again....

I think the Steelers are still a top team, but I can honestly see the Bengals beating them in week 3. For Pittsburgh to win, they will have to make it a low scoring defensive game, but I don't see that happening.

[seekupig]

I'm curious why the Chargers are going nowhere?

at some point, they're going to need Phillip Rivers to actually win some games and throw the ball down the field. until that happens, i won't be sold on them. they could be saved by the apparent collapse of the Broncos and Chiefs, though. San Diego is the best team in the AFC West right now, but i think they'd be one and done in the playoffs.

[UNC41]

In week one, it was in his head that he was missing and the situation, not that he wasn't on the field so much.

In week two against NYJ, he looked fine and carried the Pats down field and was pinpoint accurate most of the time.

That's a mistype, I meant to put best team in the NFC.

I thought he played a solid first half and really struggled in the second. 15/29 is hardly pinpoint accurate.

And I'd recommend looking back to what you said before going off on me with the whole, "don't put words into my mouth" speech.

[UNC41]

It's like CHicago last year.

They were picked to go 3-13, they ended up winnign the diviion and getting a 1st round bye.

Chaching!

[UglyNakedGuy]

I thought he played a solid first half and really struggled in the second. 15/29 is hardly pinpoint accurate.

And I'd recommend looking back to what you said before going off on me with the whole, "don't put words into my mouth" speech.

I agree. The second half the Pats seemed to let up because they were winning by a big margin which allowed the Jets to start to come back.

Normally I would, I guess I just didn't think I had to look back, because I figured there was no way I would say that since I don't think they are the best team in the NFL. It was a mistype.

[UNC41]

at some point, they're going to need Phillip Rivers to actually win some games and throw the ball down the field. until that happens, i won't be sold on them. they could be saved by the apparent collapse of the Broncos and Chiefs, though. San Diego is the best team in the AFC West right now, but i think they'd be one and done in the playoffs.

From the looks of it, Rivers may be ok. Combine that with the best overall RB in the NFL a defense that has top 5 potential and they could be a scary team.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think the Steelers are still a top team, but I can honestly see the Bengals beating them in week 3. For Pittsburgh to win, they will have to make it a low scoring defensive game, but I don't see that happening.

Time out, a team that got ass-raped today by the Jags are still a top team?

Please explain.

[BotheDMBFan]

From the looks of it, Rivers may be ok. Combine that with the best overall RB in the NFL a defense that has top 5 potential and they could be a scary team.

My fantasy back up D/ST :D

[UglyNakedGuy]

Time out, a team that got ass-raped today by the Jags are still a top team?

Please explain.

I think the Steelers are a top 8 team. They got assraped by one of the best teams in the NFL. and they were a bit rusty and their offense was out of synch. They will straighten it out. As hard as it is for me to admit it. I hate the Steelers, but I still think they are a fantastic team, and won't be one of you and write them off after ONE GAME, just like I won't start buying Falcons superbowl tickets like some of you because it is WEEK TWO.

[seekupig]

From the looks of it, Rivers may be ok. Combine that with the best overall RB in the NFL a defense that has top 5 potential and they could be a scary team.

could be, but the offensive coordinator hasn't asked him to do much. it's nice to be able to turn and hand the ball to LT and throw the ten yard out to Gates, but i want to see him throw the long ball and run a hurry up offense. i'm not saying they won't be there at the end of the year, i just think it's hard to judge a quarterback who's played with a big lead against two of the worst teams in the NFL.

[UNC41]

I agree. The second half the Pats seemed to let up because they were winning by a big margin which allowed the Jets to start to come back.

Normally I would, I guess I just didn't think I had to look back, because I figured there was no way I would say that since I don't think they are the best team in the NFL. It was a mistype.

This is what would worry me as a Pats fan. That goes against everything Belichek stands for and not letting up in the second half was a trademark of all his great teams.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think the Steelers are a top 8 team. They got assraped by one of the best teams in the NFL. and they were a bit rusty and their offense was out of synch. They will straighten it out. As hard as it is for me to admit it. I hate the Steelers, but I still think they are a fantastic team, and won't be one of you and write them off after ONE GAME, just like I won't start buying Falcons superbowl tickets like some of you because it is WEEK TWO.

Ok, I thought you were saying they were a top 5 team, ma bad.

Rothlisberger looks like he's primed to get hurt, and this time, it's going to be bad.

[UglyNakedGuy]

This is what would worry me as a Pats fan. That goes against everything Belichek stands for and not letting up in the second half was a trademark of all his great teams.

It worried me DURING the game, but not over the duration of the season. Again, I don't change opinions on teams based solely on two weeks, I think it's fuckin stupid. I guarantee you Belichek let the team know they can't let up the way they did, and it won't happen again. I am very excited about the new life in the running game that Maroney has brought to the table, and how he has lit a fire under Dillon's ass. I'm very excited about how we can stop the run now that Bruschi is healthy. He played last year but wasn't fully himself. Seau can replace McGinest pretty well. But the big thing is Rodey is back in the secondary and that is HUGE. This team has me very excited, and I see it being better than we were in 2004.

[UNC41]

could be, but the offensive coordinator hasn't asked him to do much. it's nice to be able to turn and hand the ball to LT and throw the ten yard out to Gates, but i want to see him throw the long ball and run a hurry up offense. i'm not saying they won't be there at the end of the year, i just think it's hard to judge a quarterback who's played with a big lead against two of the worst teams in the NFL.

I completely understand what you are saying. I just have a feeling he's the kind of guy who will bring the intangibles it takes to win games. He sat behind Brees for two years and didn't bitch about it, knowing his time would come. I think that says so much about his character. I can't even think of the last QB selected in the top 5 who did that.

[UglyNakedGuy]

could be, but the offensive coordinator hasn't asked him to do much. it's nice to be able to turn and hand the ball to LT and throw the ten yard out to Gates, but i want to see him throw the long ball and run a hurry up offense. i'm not saying they won't be there at the end of the year, i just think it's hard to judge a quarterback who's played with a big lead against two of the worst teams in the NFL.

Rivers hasn't dont shit yet, anyone who says otherwise hasn't really watched the games. It's easy to have a high comlpletion percentage and not make mistakes when you throw the ball 10 ft to LT and he runs it. He threw the ball what 11 times against Oakland? Pretty easy not to make mistakes if you don't do anything that would make it possible to even make a mistake.

[BotheDMBFan]

I just saw Pollock's injury, GOOD GOD!


Though, Green's injury made me cringe more, this was also painful to watch.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I completely understand what you are saying. I just have a feeling he's the kind of guy who will bring the intangibles it takes to win games. He sat behind Brees for two years and didn't bitch about it, knowing his time would come. I think that says so much about his character. I can't even think of the last QB selected in the top 5 who did that.

I agree with you there, but I agree with seekup in that we need to see more first. He is good at handling the ball off though I will give him that.

[seekupig]

I completely understand what you are saying. I just have a feeling he's the kind of guy who will bring the intangibles it takes to win games. He sat behind Brees for two years and didn't bitch about it, knowing his time would come. I think that says so much about his character. I can't even think of the last QB selected in the top 5 who did that.

Carson Palmer.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Carson Palmer.

He didn't sit for two years did he?

[seekupig]

He didn't sit for two years did he?

no, but he didn't take a single snap his rookie year and never bitched about it. i was looking more at the character issue than the amount of time waiting...

[UNC41]

It worried me DURING the game, but not over the duration of the season. Again, I don't change opinions on teams based solely on two weeks, I think it's fuckin stupid. I guarantee you Belichek let the team know they can't let up the way they did, and it won't happen again. I am very excited about the new life in the running game that Maroney has brought to the table, and how he has lit a fire under Dillon's ass. I'm very excited about how we can stop the run now that Bruschi is healthy. He played last year but wasn't fully himself. Seau can replace McGinest pretty well. But the big thing is Rodey is back in the secondary and that is HUGE. This team has me very excited, and I see it being better than we were in 2004.

It's not smart to base everything on two weeks, but it does show a good amount of what will be in the coming season. I don't think there's any way this Pats team will be better than '04, but they should still be a solid team. Their rushing game is better, but passing game is worse. As for Seau, I wouldn't get my hopes up. After watching him the past two years in Miami, he won't be close to what McGinest was for the Pats.

[UglyNakedGuy]

It's not smart to base everything on two weeks, but it does show a good amount of what will be in the coming season. I don't think there's any way this Pats team will be better than '04, but they should still be a solid team. Their rushing game is better, but passing game is worse. As for Seau, I wouldn't get my hopes up. After watching him the past two years in Miami, he won't be close to what McGinest was for the Pats.

I didn't say he would be as good as Willie, I just said he will do an ok job replacing him, and he has done so far. So far he has been very effective.

[UNC41]

no, but he didn't take a single snap his rookie year and never bitched about it. i was looking more at the character issue than the amount of time waiting...

Yes, he only waited one year, but it showed a lot about his character.

[UglyNakedGuy]

no, but he didn't take a single snap his rookie year and never bitched about it. i was looking more at the character issue than the amount of time waiting...

Oh, then yeah I agree. Carson is a stand up guy.

[UNC41]

I didn't say he would be as good as Willie, I just said he will do an ok job replacing him, and he has done so far. So far he has been very effective.

If Seau can remain effective, he'll have taken a couple steps forward after taking so many back the past couple of years.

[tedies]

I'm curious why the Chargers are going nowhere?

they make the playoffs because a shitty division but they dont have a super bowl team at all... of course they have badass LT and rivers isnt bad and i am no chargers expert at all but from what i see they are nothing special

[TwoStep2888]

Wait... Deion Branch is a Seahawk? I really need to keep up on my NFL news. Can't believe I didn't hear about that.

[UglyNakedGuy]

If Seau can remain effective, he'll have taken a couple steps forward after taking so many back the past couple of years.
Well he has allowed Vrabel to move back to the outside and is doing a terrific job so far.

[BotheDMBFan]

they make the playoffs because a shitty division but they dont have a super bowl team at all... of course they have badass LT and rivers isnt bad and i am no chargers expert at all but from what i see they are nothing special

Time out.

So they're going nowhere but the playoffs?

[BotheDMBFan]

Wait... Deion Branch is a Seahawk? I really need to keep up on my NFL news. Can't believe I didn't hear about that.

Yeah, weird thing.

[tedies]

Time out.

So they're going nowhere but the playoffs?

haha i have no idea but IF they win their division they goto the playoffs (which wouldnt be so hard because looks like KC and Denver arnt so great) they will not be any sort of contender togo to the superbowl they do not have a good enough team

[dmbmuskie]

haha i have no idea but IF they win their division they goto the playoffs (which wouldnt be so hard because looks like KC and Denver arnt so great) they will not be any sort of contender togo to the superbowl they do not have a good enough team

Wow. LT, Gates, and a dominant defense. That sounds like a Super Bowl contender to me.

[Tiduwho]

So about those 0 and 2 teams....how many have come back to make the playoffs again? History says the first two weeks DO matter.


Traditionally you judge a team based off of how they play, and when you compare two teams, when one dominates the other head to head, that usually means they are the better team. Yet the Panthers are still a top team and the Falcons are not? Okay. You sound like you're using Charger fan logic from last year, "We're the best 8 and 8 team of all time", "best team ever [to not make the playoffs]".

Most talented team? Fine, you can say that. But who really cares what team has the most talent if they can't play together and win the games? You're using "better team" when you really mean "more talented team".

[RJ2kWJ]

So about those 0 and 2 teams....how many have come back to make the playoffs again? History says the first two weeks DO matter.


Traditionally you judge a team based off of how they play, and when you compare two teams, when one dominates the other head to head, that usually means they are the better team. Yet the Panthers are still a top team and the Falcons are not? Okay. You sound like you're using Charger fan logic from last year, "We're the best 8 and 8 team of all time", "best team ever [to not make the playoffs]".

Most talented team? Fine, you can say that. But who really cares what team has the most talent if they can't play together and win the games? You're using "better team" when you really mean "more talented team".

Sure as hell not mine.

[dmbmuskie]

I think they said last night 14% of 0-2 teams go on to make the playoffs.

[UNC41]

haha i have no idea but IF they win their division they goto the playoffs (which wouldnt be so hard because looks like KC and Denver arnt so great) they will not be any sort of contender togo to the superbowl they do not have a good enough team

If San Diego is not a Super Bowl caliber team than I don't see the Bengals being one either.

[Franchize41]

I hate to admit it... but I miss Trent Dilfer

[UglyNakedGuy]

Wow. LT, Gates, and a dominant defense. That sounds like a Super Bowl contender to me.

They have had those things the past few years and haven't made the playoffs.

[thebigv]

I hate to admit it... but I miss Trent Dilfer


I just threw up in my mouth.

[Franchize41]

I just threw up in my mouth.

:lol

Ive done that the past two sundays... fucking Simms. Im glad Tampa didnt sign him long term

[dmbmuskie]

They have had those things the past few years and haven't made the playoffs.

The defense has gotten better every year. Merriman takes them to another level.

[thebigv]

:lol

Ive done that the past two sundays... fucking Simms. Im glad Tampa didnt sign him long term


But can you seriously convince yourself that you'd rather have Dilfer? Christ almighty, he couldn't make it in CLEVELAND. Put Gradkowski in, he's got a cannon.

[Franchize41]

But can you seriously convince yourself that you'd rather have Dilfer? Christ almighty, he couldn't make it in CLEVELAND. Put Gradkowski in, he's got a cannon.

I know Dilfer sucks, but during his time the defense got it done and as bad as he was, he found a way to get enough offense to get the W. Ive wanted Gradkowski to unseat Simms as starter since the preseason started.

[Bartender84]

Your D isn't in the same league as the Bears.
Have you watched either of the games this year? Our defense is vastly improved from last year, they knocked Kurt Warner around all day Sunday, Edge barely got 50 yards rushing, the Lions were held to 6 points (I believe the Bears let them have a touchdown). The Cards supposedly have a much improved offense and they held them to 3 points through 3 quarters.

As far as the offense goes, this season has started out exactly like last season, very sloppy for the first two games. They didn't really get good last year until a few weeks into the season, and I expect the same to happen this year. Once Branch gets into the lineup things are going to get better.

[UNC41]

They have had those things the past few years and haven't made the playoffs.

The Chargers have no had a dominant defense the past few years. Also, they went 12-4 in 2004 and made the playoffs, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

[UNC41]

Have you watched either of the games this year? Our defense is vastly improved from last year, they knocked Kurt Warner around all day Sunday, Edge barely got 50 yards rushing, the Lions were held to 6 points (I believe the Bears let them have a touchdown). The Cards supposedly have a much improved offense and they held them to 3 points through 3 quarters.

As far as the offense goes, this season has started out exactly like last season, very sloppy for the first two games. They didn't really get good last year until a few weeks into the season, and I expect the same to happen this year. Once Branch gets into the lineup things are going to get better.

He never said Seattle's defense wasn't improved. He said they aren't in the same league as the Bears, and although they've looked good thus far, I agree. Two games doesn't put you in their class.

[Tiduwho]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=3


Not too shabby. I don't think Seattle should be #2 after playing so sloppy, but that's about it.


From Carolina's: This stat applies to a bunch of teams, but we'll use it here. From 1990 to 2005, just 17 of 128 teams starting 0-2 have reached the playoffs.

[Franchize41]

He never said Seattle's defense wasn't improved. He said they aren't in the same league as the Bears, and although they've looked good thus far, I agree. Two games doesn't put you in their class.

I agree as well, theyve improved, but they dont have the calibre D like Chicago, Baltimore and Tampa which can dominate a game

[41ravens]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=3


Not too shabby. I don't think Seattle should be #2 after playing so sloppy, but that's about it.


From Carolina's: This stat applies to a bunch of teams, but we'll use it here. From 1990 to 2005, just 17 of 128 teams starting 0-2 have reached the playoffs.

atlanta at 5? i disagree. top 3. they manhandled the supposedly awesome panthers and then dismissed the bucs with ease. the other teams in front of them (colts, hawks, bengals) haven't really played anyone.

[GavMan33]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2006&week=3


Not too shabby. I don't think Seattle should be #2 after playing so sloppy, but that's about it.


From Carolina's: This stat applies to a bunch of teams, but we'll use it here. From 1990 to 2005, just 17 of 128 teams starting 0-2 have reached the playoffs.

Well I'd say if anybody can do it, the Panthers sure are capable....

[Tiduwho]

atlanta at 5? i disagree. top 3. they manhandled the supposedly awesome panthers and then dismissed the bucs with ease. the other teams in front of them (colts, hawks, bengals) haven't really played anyone.

Don't let UNG hear you say that. :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Well, I thought it over, and am now going to rank my top 10.

(In order)

1. Chicago Bears(A bit of a homer pick, but they look fucking out of this world)
2. Atlanta Falcons
3. Indianapolis Colts
4. Jacksonville Jaguars
5. Baltimore Ravens
6. San Diego Chargers
7. Seattle Sehawks
8. Cincinatti Bengals
9. New England Patriots
10. Minnesota Vikings.

You can start bitching in 5....4....3....2....1....

[RJ2kWJ]

Well, I thought it over, and am now going to rank my top 10.

(In order)

1. Chicago Bears(A bit of a homer pick, but they look fucking out of this world)
2. Washington Redskins
3. Atlanta Falcons
4. Indianapolis Colts
5. Jacksonville Jaguars
6. Baltimore Ravens
7. San Diego Chargers
8. Seattle Sehawks
9. Cincinatti Bengals
10. New England Patriots

You can start bitching in 5....4....3....2....1....

Yup I agree..... :lol :lol :lol

[UNC41]

I agree as well, theyve improved, but they dont have the calibre D like Chicago, Baltimore and Tampa which can dominate a game

I wouldn't throw Tampa in the same league as Chicago and Baltimore right now.

[VanHorneDog]

Post-Season Teams

Vikings (division)
Falcons (division)
Seahawks (division)
Cardinals (wildcard)
Cowboys (division)
Panthers(wild card)

Patriots (division)
Ravens (division)
Bengels (wildcard)
Colts (division)
Chargers (division)
Pittsburg (wildcard)

mark my words when this doesnt happen.

[Bartndrpleez]

I wouldn't throw Tampa in the same league as Chicago and Baltimore right now.

Exactly. Tampa is NOT EVEN a shadow of its former self.

[Tiduwho]

Again:

Balti - 6 points
San Diego - 7 points
Chicago - 7 points

Tampa - 41 points

[GOB_]

Again:

Balti - 6 points
San Diego - 7 points
Chicago - 7 points

Tampa - 41 points

I'm not here to claim that Tampa should be considered as a top defense or even in the same breath as the above mentioned teams but 20 of those points came from a direct/indirect result of their offense/special teams.

7...interception return for a TD
3...interception return Tampa's 9
3...punt return to Tampa's 39
7...interception return to Tampa's 12


Still one of the best defenses of all-time over the last decade though.

[VanHorneDog]

I'm not here to claim that Tampa should be considered as a top defense or even in the same breath as the above mentioned teams but 20 of those points came from a direct/indirect result of their offense/special teams.

7...interception return for a TD
3...interception return Tampa's 9
3...punt return to Tampa's 39
7...interception return to Tampa's 12


Still one of the best defenses of all-time over the last decade though.

id be interested on how many points tampa's defense has caused. Like interception on the 9 or TD returns. :D

[UNC41]

Post-Season Teams

Vikings (division)
Falcons (division)
Seahawks (division)
Cardinals (wildcard)
Cowboys (division)
Panthers(wild card)

Patriots (division)
Ravens (division)
Bengels (wildcard)
Colts (division)
Chargers (division)
Pittsburg (wildcard)

mark my words when this doesnt happen.

I don't see the AFC North getting three teams with Jacksonville and Indy in the mix. I'm not even going to comment on the Cards.

[UNC41]

I'm not here to claim that Tampa should be considered as a top defense or even in the same breath as the above mentioned teams but 20 of those points came from a direct/indirect result of their offense/special teams.

7...interception return for a TD
3...interception return Tampa's 9
3...punt return to Tampa's 39
7...interception return to Tampa's 12


Still one of the best defenses of all-time over the last decade though.

What they did do, however, was let up 300 yards rushing.

[GOB_]

What they did do, however, was let up 300 yards rushing.

Right, which is why I prefaced my point with: "I'm not here to claim that Tampa should be considered as a top defense or even in the same breath as the above mentioned teams..."

[smudge1]

Go Buc's.

[SmoothD41]

atlanta at 5? i disagree. top 3. they manhandled the supposedly awesome panthers and then dismissed the bucs with ease. the other teams in front of them (colts, hawks, bengals) haven't really played anyone.

Colts played the Giants on the road week 1...that is definitely a tough game

The AFC is once again dominant this year.

I think there's seven teams from the AFC that could win the superbowl (steelers, pats, colts, chargers, bengals, ravens, jags). I think the Giants could win from the NFC, but that's about it. Panthers are going nowhere without a healthy Smith, and I really don't think ATL can go anywhere with those receivers.

[SmoothD41]

oh, and the bears won't win just because they're the bears and they are relying on Rex Grossman. Great, you looked dominant against the Packers and the Lions. Who's up next week, the Browns?

[Tiduwho]

Colts played the Giants on the road week 1...that is definitely a tough game

The AFC is once again dominant this year.

I think there's seven teams from the AFC that could win the superbowl (steelers, pats, colts, chargers, bengals, ravens, jags). I think the Giants could win from the NFC, but that's about it. Panthers are going nowhere without a healthy Smith, and I really don't think ATL can go anywhere with those receivers.

AFC homerism much?

[SmoothD41]

AFC homerism much?

actually, no...it's pretty easy to tell that the AFC is the far superior conference.

[Franchize41]

I wouldn't throw Tampa in the same league as Chicago and Baltimore right now.

I wasnt talking about this year. More about defenses that have stood out over the past 5-10 years, not two weeks.

[Tiduwho]

oh, and the bears won't win just because they're the bears and they are relying on Rex Grossman. Great, you looked dominant against the Packers and the Lions. Who's up next week, the Browns?

2-0 Minny, who've beaten two playoff teams from last year. But then, they won't count, because they don't play in the AFC. Seattle the week after that, but then, they won't count because in the Super Bowl, they lost.



Fixed.

[SmoothD41]

2-0 Minny, who've beaten two playoff teams from last year. But then, they don't count, because they don't play in the AFC. Seattle the week after that, but then, they don't count because in the Super Bowl, they lost.

yeah, cause I said all those things about minnesota and seattle....

[Tiduwho]

actually, no...it's pretty easy to tell that the AFC is the far superior conference.

Not even ESPN agrees with you.

[SmoothD41]

Not even ESPN agrees with you.

hmmm, I'm looking at ESPN's week 3 rankings and 7 of the top 10 (including #1) come from the AFC...might wanna recheck your source

[Tiduwho]

hmmm, I'm looking at ESPN's week 3 rankings and 7 of the top 10 (including #1) come from the AFC...might wanna recheck your source

Meant the neverending pundits when asked questions like "Has the NFC caught up to the AFC" and the like. Analysts on TV.

Btw, Top 6 is 3 and 3. Bottom 7? 5 Afc teams.


I'm just saying that the NFC is closer than it's been in a few years.

[SmoothD41]

Meant the neverending pundits when asked questions like "Has the NFC caught up to the AFC" and the like.

Btw, Top 6 is 3 and 3. Bottom 7? 5 Afc teams.

ohhhhhh, the bottom 7....those teams are almost relevant

The NFC has 3-4 good teams, the AFC has about 8. Everyone else is mediocre and below.

[UglyNakedGuy]

What they did do, however, was let up 300 yards rushing.

It's not that out of the question to surrender that many rushing yards when the other team rushes 50 times a game. What do you expect to happen?

[UglyNakedGuy]

ohhhhhh, the bottom 7....those teams are almost relevant

The NFC has 3-4 good teams, the AFC has about 8. Everyone else is mediocre and below.

EXACTLY.

The Superbowl winner will AGAIN come from the AFC. There is no way in HELL the Falcons (who are amazingly over rated, everyone needs to stop jumping on their bandwagon after TWO WEEKS) will even get a sniff of the superbowl.

[CBurton27]

It's been 20 hours since the Falcons game has been over...

WHY DON'T THEY HAVE A NEW KICKER YET??????? :BANG

4 missed FG's Sunday // 2 of 8 for the year ?!?!?!?!

:violent

Falcons | M. Andersen Signed
Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:49:36 -0700
ESPNews reports the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl">Atlanta Falcons have signed PK Morten Andersen (http://www.kffl.com/player/988/nfl) (Vikings) to an undisclosed contract. Andersen, who hasn't kicked in the NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) since 2004 with the Minnesota Vikings (http://www.kffl.com/team/23/nfl), is 46 years old.

GOOD LORD!!! FORTY-SIX years old!!!!

[UNC41]

It's not that out of the question to surrender that many rushing yards when the other team rushes 50 times a game. What do you expect to happen?

Not give up six yards per carry.

[BotheDMBFan]

EXACTLY.

The Superbowl winner will AGAIN come from the AFC. There is no way in HELL the Falcons (who are amazingly over rated, everyone needs to stop jumping on their bandwagon after TWO WEEKS) will even get a sniff of the superbowl.

And the Pats will?

I'm not saying The Falcons will get to the Superbowl, I do think they've got a nice road to the playoffs though.

My Superbowl(Still)

Chicago v.s. Indy

[Tiduwho]

Falcons | M. Andersen Signed
Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:49:36 -0700
ESPNews reports the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl">Atlanta Falcons have signed PK Morten Andersen (http://www.kffl.com/player/988/nfl) (Vikings) to an undisclosed contract. Andersen, who hasn't kicked in the NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) since 2004 with the Minnesota Vikings (http://www.kffl.com/team/23/nfl), is 46 years old.

GOOD LORD!!! FORTY-SIX years old!!!!

LMAO!

Can't wait to see that one single cross bar helmet back in action.

[BotheDMBFan]

The opposition should jsut tap him on the shoulder, watch his ass become dust.

[Tiduwho]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060921&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos2

7. Besides the New Orleans Saints, which 2-0 squad is the league's biggest fraud? The New England Patriots, of course.

One-possession victories over the Bills and the Jets do little to instill confidence. The Pats are headed to 2-2. They'll lose to a mediocre Denver squad this weekend and then they'll get spanked by Cincinnati and Bill Belichick will begin to miss all of the veterans he has let go.


I'm lovin it Fatty McBlack.

[UglyNakedGuy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060921&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos2

7. Besides the New Orleans Saints, which 2-0 squad is the league's biggest fraud? The New England Patriots, of course.

One-possession victories over the Bills and the Jets do little to instill confidence. The Pats are headed to 2-2. They'll lose to a mediocre Denver squad this weekend and then they'll get spanked by Cincinnati and Bill Belichick will begin to miss all of the veterans he has let go.


I'm lovin it Fatty McBlack.

Talk to me after they beat Denver this Sunday.

The Pats prove MORONS wrong every single year.

[UNC41]

Talk to me after they beat Denver this Sunday.

The Pats prove MORONS wrong every single year.

They should beat Denver. I'll start to give the Pats props when they beat a good team or look impressive. Right now I believe there are three teams in the AFC North that would take the East.

[UglyNakedGuy]

They should beat Denver. I'll start to give the Pats props when they beat a good team or look impressive. Right now I believe there are three teams in the AFC North that would take the East.

Fair enough. I go through this every year cause every year there are doubters.

[UNC41]

Fair enough. I go through this every year cause every year there are doubters.

I think you exaggerate people's opinions on New England. There are always doubters to all teams. I just think they lost too much this offseason in Branch, Givens, McGinest, Vinitari among others.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I think you exaggerate people's opinions on New England. There are always doubters to all teams. I just think they lost too much this offseason in Branch, Givens, McGinest, Vinitari among others.

The only one that matters the most IMO is Branch. Vinatieri really didn't do much last year anyways. Sure they won their last few superbowls by 3 points, but it's not like they were all at crunch time in the SB you know? Like what if at the beg of the game, the Pats get a FG, adn then the teams tie the rest of the way? I have all the confidence in the world that Gostowski can make that kick. Maybe not the kick with 8 seconds left and the kick decides the outcome of the game, but honestly how often does that scenario even happen?

Junior Seau is replacing Willie JUST FINE.

The worst loss is Branch because he was Brady's go to guy when he was in trouble, but I think Watson or even Chad Jackson can emerge as that new go to guy, plus they will run way more than they did last year, so Brady won't be forced to air the ball out every game anyways.

I am REALLY hoping that Calvin Johnson (WR from GA tech) falls to the end of the first round next year so the Pats can draft him. But I am probly being too optimistic. :lol

[UNC41]

The only one that matters the most IMO is Branch. Vinatieri really didn't do much last year anyways. Sure they won their last few superbowls by 3 points, but it's not like they were all at crunch time in the SB you know? Like what if at the beg of the game, the Pats get a FG, adn then the teams tie the rest of the way? I have all the confidence in the world that Gostowski can make that kick. Maybe not the kick with 8 seconds left and the kick decides the outcome of the game, but honestly how often does that scenario even happen?

Junior Seau is replacing Willie JUST FINE.

The worst loss is Branch because he was Brady's go to guy when he was in trouble, but I think Watson or even Chad Jackson can emerge as that new go to guy, plus they will run way more than they did last year, so Brady won't be forced to air the ball out every game anyways.

I am REALLY hoping that Calvin Johnson (WR from GA tech) falls to the end of the first round next year so the Pats can draft him. But I am probly being too optimistic. :lol

Those thoughts are all 100% glass full. I think the realistic NFL fan views all those situations much differently than you.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Those thoughts are all 100% glass full. I think the realistic NFL fan views all those situations much differently than you.

You're right. I have unrealistic opinions. Thanks. :rolleyes

I pay far more attention to the Patriots than you do I'm sure and I know what I'm talking about.

Get back to me when the Pats are back in the playoffs.

[UglyNakedGuy]

If this was the baseball thread, I would unfortunately normally let it piss me off that someone told me my opinion is wrong and unrealistic again, but I'll just ignore it for now.

[UNC41]

You're right. I have unrealistic opinions. Thanks. :rolleyes

I pay far more attention to the Patriots than you do I'm sure and I know what I'm talking about.

Get back to me when the Pats are back in the playoffs.

You seem confident a Gradowhatshisname can be an adequate replacement for the most clutch kicker in NFL history.

I've watched Seau play the last two years. I know how much you've preached how two games mean shit. Well, if I were you I'd take that advise about Seau. He dragged Miami's defense down the past couple years.

You expect a TE and rookie wide receiver to fill in for Brady's favorite target and his No. 2 from last year.

I get it.

[UglyNakedGuy]

You seem confident a Gradowhatshisname can be an adequate replacement for the most clutch kicker in NFL history.

I've watched Seau play the last two years. I know how much you've preached how two games mean shit. Well, if I were you I'd take that advise about Seau. He dragged Miami's defense down the past couple years.

You expect a TE and rookie wide receiver to fill in for Brady's favorite target and his No. 2 from last year.

I get it.


I never said Gostowski can replace Vinatieri, but he will do fine. BAsically by what you are saying, no one can ever replace him since he is the best, the onyl way you can go is down, and that's a stupid ass way to look at it.

And I haven't just preached Seau over and over, I just think he's done a solid job, and playing in the Pats system should help him out a little bit.

I never said Watson and Jackson will replace Branch, I said they should emerge as quality go to guys that will get the job done.

Whatever though, don't bother talking to me if all you can do is discredit opinions that differ from your own and talk down to me cause my opinion is different.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Plus, Dillon and Maroney will run a lot of the game, and the Pats won't be as pass happy anyways than they have in previous years. I'll talk to you again later when the Pats are near the top of the power rankings and all teh doubters look stupid for the 5th year in a row.

[UNC41]

I never said Gostowski can replace Vinatieri, but he will do fine. BAsically by what you are saying, no one can ever replace him since he is the best, the onyl way you can go is down, and that's a stupid ass way to look at it.

And I haven't just preached Seau over and over, I just think he's done a solid job, and playing in the Pats system should help him out a little bit.

I never said Watson and Jackson will replace Branch, I said they should emerge as quality go to guys that will get the job done.

Whatever though, don't bother talking to me if all you can do is discredit opinions that differ from your own and talk down to me cause my opinion is different.

I gave different ones, I didn't discredit anything.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I get it.


Sarcastic things like this:

[UglyNakedGuy]

Those thoughts are all 100% glass full. I think the realistic NFL fan views all those situations much differently than you.

And implying that I have unrealistic opinions....

Oh well though, think what you want.

[UNC41]

Plus, Dillon and Maroney will run a lot of the game, and the Pats won't be as pass happy anyways than they have in previous years. I'll talk to you again later when the Pats are near the top of the power rankings and all teh doubters look stupid for the 5th year in a row.

The Pats were one of the consensus top two teams last year. Please get off this doubting stuff.

[UNC41]

And implying that I have unrealistic opinions....

Oh well though, think what you want.

I do think for everything you said to workout like you said is unrealistic. But that's just my opinion.

[UglyNakedGuy]

The Pats were one of the consensus top two teams last year. Please get off this doubting stuff.

No they were not. Maybe when the playoffs rolled around they were. But not during the regular season...

[UNC41]

No they were not. Maybe when the playoffs rolled around they were. But not during the regular season...

I was talking preseason. Indy and NE were the top two teams touted then.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I was talking preseason. Indy and NE were the top two teams touted then.

I've watched predictions by anaylsts over and over and they always pick against the Pats every year.

They were picked to lose to the Colts in 2004 playoffs, the Steelers in AFC game, and then they make it to the SB and those SAME anaylists are on the bandwagon its just frustrating know what I mean?

[UNC41]

I've watched predictions by anaylsts over and over and they always pick against the Pats every year.

They were picked to lose to the Colts in 2004 playoffs, the Steelers in AFC game, and then they make it to the SB and those SAME anaylists are on the bandwagon its just frustrating know what I mean?

I understand, but IMO ESPN has been all about the Pats the past couple of years.

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think anyone picked the Steelers in the 2004 title game. ESPN fellates Brady and Belicheck as much as they can.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I don't think anyone picked the Steelers in the 2004 title game. ESPN fellates Brady and Belicheck as much as they can.

You'd be wrong.

[BotheDMBFan]

I understand, but IMO ESPN has been all about the Pats the past couple of years.

Yeah, after that fluke win against the Rams in the Super Bowl, they've been LOVING the Pats.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yeah, after that fluke win against the Rams in the Super Bowl, they've been LOVING the Pats.

Fluke win? WOW. The definition of a fluke by the way is "an accidental or chance happening"..And they were the better team.

If that were true they wouldn't go on to win 2 more in the next 3 years. :rolleyes

Wow, just wow.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Dear Boomer:

Sorry Jet Li couldn't pronounce your name last weekend. It's not his fault he asian, seliousry.

Katie

[dmbgodagirl41]

Fluke win? WOW. The definition of a fluke by the way is "an accidental or chance happening"..And they were the better team.

If that were true they wouldn't go on to win 2 more in the next 3 years. :rolleyes

Wow, just wow.
to be fair, the pats should have been killed...and we did win because the moron running the clock didn't know how it works when a field goal is made (there should have been :08 left on the clock). Not saying the Rams would have won, but they didn't even get the chance to try.

That was a rabbit out of our ASSES, and I am THE biggest Patriots fan ever, so I'd be the first to admit when we had the skills. That GAME we had the skills, but I am still in shock how the F we pulled that one off. But I made 150 bucks off that game! MUAHAHAHHAHAHA!

But then I think the Pats proved the skills by winning two in the next three years after that SB, so we got respect after that.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I don't think anyone picked the Steelers in the 2004 title game. ESPN fellates Brady and Belicheck as much as they can.
Colts get fellated way more than the Pats and they have yet to even GO to the SB.

[Trippin4136]

ESPN slurps NE's knob b/c ESPN is Boston biased.


And they had the Rams beat that year when they came out together as a team as opposed to individually. When I saw that, I immediately turned to my buddy and said "they're going to win"

[dmbgodagirl41]

ESPN slurps NE's knob b/c ESPN is Boston biased.


And they had the Rams beat that year when they came out together as a team as opposed to individually. When I saw that, I immediately turned to my buddy and said "they're going to win"

ESPN SHOULD slurp NE's knob! ;)

And I totally agree with the comment about the TEAM. They came out as a big group...made me cry almost! Then, my mom calls me during halftime and goes "hey, this band sounds like that other band from the 80s named U2. The lead singer even looks similar to Bono".

Good lord, my mom is hilariously retarded sometimes.

[UglyNakedGuy]

ESPN slurps NE's knob b/c ESPN is Boston biased.


And they had the Rams beat that year when they came out together as a team as opposed to individually. When I saw that, I immediately turned to my buddy and said "they're going to win"

Maybe so, but at least they get the love in football. New York gets their cocks sucked by the clowns at Fox 24/7

[dmbgodagirl41]

Maybe so, but at least they get the love in football. New York gets their cocks sucked by the clowns at Fox 24/7
what are you talking about? McCarver is a well-spoken, unbiased......ahhHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol

I almost said that with a straight face.

[UNC41]

Maybe so, but at least they get the love in football. New York gets their cocks sucked by the clowns at Fox 24/7

Because that has to do with this conversation ...

[UglyNakedGuy]

Because that has to do with this conversation ...

Ok..keep trying to start shit, won't work.

[UglyNakedGuy]

what are you talking about? McCarver is a well-spoken, unbiased......ahhHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol

I almost said that with a straight face.

:lol:lol

[UNC41]

Ok..keep trying to start shit, won't work.

That's exactly what I just saw you trying to do.

[UglyNakedGuy]

That's exactly what I just saw you trying to do.

Not really, someone just posted something about New England and how the media sucks them off, or ESPN does, and my defense to that as a New England fan was to say the opposite how NY gets praised too much by Fox, it was a legit statement not looking to argue.

Anyways. Sunday needs to get here quicker for football baby

[dmbgodagirl41]

anyone who doesnt think the AFC is about 1000000000x harder with about three times as many good teams is a moron and needs to stop watching Stuart Scott or Tony Kornheiser.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Not really, someone just posted something about New England and how the media sucks them off, or ESPN does, and my defense to that as a New England fan was to say the opposite how NY gets praised too much by Fox, it was a legit statement not looking to argue.

Anyways. Sunday needs to get here quicker for football baby
Or, we could just go with it and say "Yeah, well, the next team who wins 3 in 4 years can earn the right to be constantly sucked off".

Peyton "never gonna get a ring" Manning gets sucked off as much as the entire Pats team combined, to be fair.

[GOB_]

Or, we could just go with it and say "Yeah, well, the next team who wins 3 in 4 years can earn the right to be constantly sucked off".

Well, in that case, NY deserves to be "constantly sucked off" by FOX seeing they were the last team to win 4 out of 5 WS. :D

Back to football.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Well, in that case, NY deserves to be "constantly sucked off" by FOX seeing they were the last team to win 4 out of 5 WS. :D

Back to football.
in THIS century? didn't think so either.

yes, back to fooball :)

[UNC41]

Well, in that case, NY deserves to be "constantly sucked off" by FOX seeing they were the last team to win 4 out of 5 WS. :D

Back to football.

Rivalry pwn.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Rivalry pwn.
date pwn.

[harryhoudini]

i know i'm entering a convo here, but didn't feel like starting a new thread.

what are your thoughts on the jets bills game this weekend? i have a bragging rights bet riding on the game. so, no points, outright winner, who do you guys like?

[Tiduwho]

I like Chad-Man.

[dmbgodagirl41]

i know i'm entering a convo here, but didn't feel like starting a new thread.

what are your thoughts on the jets bills game this weekend? i have a bragging rights bet riding on the game. so, no points, outright winner, who do you guys like?
bragging rights? between bills and jets? Based on what? no matter who wins, both teams are bad.

I'd go with Bills, though. Eventaully, Pennington has to remember that he has nothing to throw to, and that he isn't good. Losman kinda scares me, because he's so inconsistant, but that's not a bad thing.

actually, thats a tough call. Yeah, I'd go with Bills.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I like Chad-Man.
YOU WOULD! (i have no clue what that means)

[GavMan33]

UNG-This is a NFL Football thread, please try and keep the fact that you are a Red Sox fan in the MLB thread, thanks.

As for Jets/Bills. I'm a Buffalo guy, always have been, and I hate the Jets. So it depends. I'm a straight numbers guy, and here's how things are going to go in Buffalo this year. The Bills will score about 20 points per game because they have a horrible offense. So the difference between 5-6 wins and 8-9 wins this year hinges on a very good defense. Will they hold the Jets under 20? They very well could. If so, the Bills have a good shot. If not; the chances of a Buffalo victory go way down....

[Tiduwho]

UNG-This is a NFL Football thread, please try and keep the fact that you are a Red Sox fan in the MLB thread, thanks.




*waits for the "omfg i didn't do anything your wrong and dont know what your talking about" reply*

[Tiduwho]

YOU WOULD! (i have no clue what that means)

Pennington Power!

[dmbgodagirl41]

UNG-This is a NFL Football thread, please try and keep the fact that you are a Red Sox fan in the MLB thread, thanks.

As for Jets/Bills. I'm a Buffalo guy, always have been, and I hate the Jets. So it depends. I'm a straight numbers guy, and here's how things are going to go in Buffalo this year. The Bills will score about 20 points per game because they have a horrible offense. So the difference between 5-6 wins and 8-9 wins this year hinges on a very good defense. Will they hold the Jets under 20? They very well could. If so, the Bills have a good shot. If not; the chances of a Buffalo victory go way down....
Please try and keep the fact that you are a Bills fan to yourself...no need to willingly embarrass yourself ;)

i keeeed i keeed. I think the Bills will win, too.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Pennington Power!
oh yeah, well PENNINGTON.......POOPS.

[GavMan33]

Please try and keep the fact that you are a Bills fan to yourself...no need to willingly embarrass yourself ;)

i keeeed i keeed. I think the Bills will win, too.

I got an idea, let's play a little role playing. And you already got the face, we'll use. You are 3-time Super Bowl Champion Tom Brady. Your team is 2-0, but there are all kinds of questions swirling around your ballclub, especially with the departure of your favorite receiver, Deion Branch. What do you have to say to all these questions? And on another front, did Branch really deserve that one Super Bowl MVP? Weren't you the one that threw to him?

[harryhoudini]

bragging rights? between bills and jets? Based on what? no matter who wins, both teams are bad.

I'd go with Bills, though. Eventaully, Pennington has to remember that he has nothing to throw to, and that he isn't good. Losman kinda scares me, because he's so inconsistant, but that's not a bad thing.

actually, thats a tough call. Yeah, I'd go with Bills.

no no, i'm not a fan of either. we were just talking about the match ups and i said that i thought the bills were definitely going to win. looked pretty good both weeks, especially new england on the road and the jets basically have all their eggs in chad pennington's basket. everyone said they thought the bills would win, but not as emphatically as i was hoping. but my point is still proven.

[UglyNakedGuy]

UNG-This is a NFL Football thread, please try and keep the fact that you are a Red Sox fan in the MLB thread, thanks.

As for Jets/Bills. I'm a Buffalo guy, always have been, and I hate the Jets. So it depends. I'm a straight numbers guy, and here's how things are going to go in Buffalo this year. The Bills will score about 20 points per game because they have a horrible offense. So the difference between 5-6 wins and 8-9 wins this year hinges on a very good defense. Will they hold the Jets under 20? They very well could. If so, the Bills have a good shot. If not; the chances of a Buffalo victory go way down....

I don't recall striking up a conversation about the Red Sox in here, THANKS.

[UNC41]

bragging rights? between bills and jets? Based on what? no matter who wins, both teams are bad.

I'd go with Bills, though. Eventaully, Pennington has to remember that he has nothing to throw to, and that he isn't good. Losman kinda scares me, because he's so inconsistant, but that's not a bad thing.

actually, thats a tough call. Yeah, I'd go with Bills.

Yet he has better receving options than your beloved Tommy Boy.

[dmbmuskie]

Jags or Colts?

I say Jags. They're scary.

[GavMan33]

1. I had no idea there'd be so much talk in here about a Bills/Jets game. Wow. While the AFC East has always been a respectable division, I believe it's in a down year. When many people pick the Dolphins to win the division, it's not pretty. To me, the verdict is still out on the Patriots. I've been unimpressed in two weeks, but I'll hold out on them the next few weeks. Let's see what happens when they play at Paul Brown Stadium in a few weeks.
2. And for the record; AFC North>AFC South>AFC East>AFC West.
3. Jags/Colts. Wow. Didn't know this game was on the dish for this weekend. I hope we're able to see that game in Cincinnati. Is it a national game? I hope so.

[CrashDMB237]

dmbgodagirl,

If Pennington has no one to throw to, why has he thrown 4 TD passes, 600+ yards and we have the leading reciever in the conference? Funny... looked like he had plenty of targets last Sunday. Just a shame our cornerbacks couldn't defend a parapalegic.

[BotheDMBFan]

ESPN slurps NE's knob b/c ESPN is Boston biased.


And they had the Rams beat that year when they came out together as a team as opposed to individually. When I saw that, I immediately turned to my buddy and said "they're going to win"

So after the Rams beat them earlier in the season, you thought the Pats had it locked?

I'll give credit where credit is due, but if the Rams had an "on" day that day, they'd be talked about as one of the best teams ever.

[BotheDMBFan]

Pennington Power!
Yet another reason why you can't trust whitey.

[UglyNakedGuy]

So after the Rams beat them earlier in the season, you thought the Pats had it locked?

I'll give credit where credit is due, but if the Rams had an "on" day that day, they'd be talked about as one of the best teams ever.

The Pats were the better TEAM.

[dmbmuskie]

The Pats weren't the better team. They were the better team that day. If you have ever read Patriot Reign they acknowledge they were lucky to win. The great Patriot teams in my opinion didn't come about to 2 years later.

[UglyNakedGuy]

The Pats weren't the better team. They were the better team that day. If you have ever read Patriot Reign they acknowledge they were lucky to win. The great Patriot teams in my opinion didn't come about to 2 years later.

Ok..

[dmbmuskie]

Was there something inaccurate about what I said?

[ncdude2k3]

the Patriots were the better team. they man handled the rams recievers and marshal faulk. they just werent flashy. the rams were a pretty soft team. and i'm not even a huge fan of the patriots due to them beating my panthers in superbowl 38..but respect is due to the Pats.

[dmbmuskie]

the Patriots were the better team. they man handled the rams recievers and marshal faulk. they just werent flashy. the rams were a pretty soft team. and i'm not even a huge fan of the patriots due to them beating my panthers in superbowl 38..but respect is due to the Pats.

I'm not disrespecting the Pats nor am I taking away from what they did that year. They were lucky, but often that is more important than being good. They had the tuck rule game. They beat the Steelers while doing nothing on offense. They beat one of the greatest offensive teams of all time. The Steelers were lucky last year. That's just scratching the surface of teams that required luck to win it all.

[GavMan33]

And while we're talking about luck, I will be the guy to bring up the Tennessee Titans the year they lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl. Now I'm not saying that the Bills were a Super Bowl team, but they should have been headed to the next round of the playoffs....

[DynastyDrummer1]

And while we're talking about luck, I will be the guy to bring up the Tennessee Titans the year they lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl. Now I'm not saying that the Bills were a Super Bowl team, but they should have been headed to the next round of the playoffs....

i still cry when i see those videos. rob johnson should never have been the starter for that game.





that being said... im pumped for opening day at the ralph tomorrow. :multi

[Ascf33]

G-men.

[UNC41]

i still cry when i see those videos. rob johnson should never have been the starter for that game.





that being said... im pumped for opening day at the ralph tomorrow. :multi

THE Ralph.

http://www.theralph.com/

[GavMan33]

THE Ralph.

http://www.theralph.com/

Dude. You know this place is in North Dakota right? Not to hate on the north country, but North Dakota? Which state capital is North Dakota? Is it Bismark or Pierre? It's one of them. And either ND or SD has Mount Rushmore. That's about the only reason to go there. Oh yeah, and to take a tour of The Ralph.

[GavMan33]

i still cry when i see those videos. rob johnson should never have been the starter for that game.





that being said... im pumped for opening day at the ralph tomorrow. :multi

I feel you buddy. Rob Johnson was the starter in Week 17, a 31-6 winner over a Colts team that was resting its regulars. For some reason, dbag Wade Phillips decides it's a good idea to ditch Doug Flutie for the guy with the stupid little hairband thing that covered his ears. God, anytime I see a guy with the name Johnson on his jersey wearing #11, I become nautious. And what was Wade Phillips doing calling the timeout with time left for a kickoff after the made FG anyway? OK. I need to go throw up now. Sorry for the interruption....

[VanHorneDog]

Bolts 06!

[UNC41]

A win is a win I suppose, but good God the Dolphins need turn things around.

[luke7]

A win is a win I suppose, but good God the Dolphins need turn things around.

Big time. The offense is bad right now.

[dmbmuskie]

Bye week, next week, but I still expect us to mess up a punt return anyways.

[UNC41]

Big time. The offense is bad right now.

I didn't get to watch today, but was the o-line still the major problem?

[GavMan33]

Steelers gave one away in Pittsburgh today. Not a good showing, although the Bengals D was awful pathetic on the game's final drive....

Meanwhile, I finally got to see a live glimpse of Losman when CBS switched over to the Buffalo game with about 1:30 left. He's afraid to do anything, though I will chalk it up to the awful weather at Ralph Wilson Stadium today. I hope he can play in the snow though....

[dmbmuskie]

I don't think the Bengals defense was pathetic on the last drive as it was the Steelers passing game started to come around a little.

[SteelerMan]

Aside from the turnovers, the Bengals defense didn't look very good all day. They kept bragging about how they had improved their run defense in the offseason, but Willie Parker ran all over them. The Steelers handed them that game on a silver platter. You just can't turn the ball over that many times and expect to beat a competitive team like the Bengals. I could choke Colclough right about now.

Roethlisberger and Morelli were eerily similar in their ineptitude this weekend. Throwing behind receivers, throwing into coverage, forcing passes that just aren't there, throwing picks at the most inopportune of times... in case you can't tell, I'm not a big fan of QB's this weekend.

[UglyNakedGuy]

The Bengals didn't only wint hat game cause of turnovers.....Plus one of Bens picks was thrown in the endzone so it's not like Cincy got great field position. In fact, I think the Bengals turned the ball over even more than Pittsburgh, so that excuse makes no sense and is completely false.

[UglyNakedGuy]

And for all of you that make top 5 team lists and put Chicago at or near the top....Yeah I suppose a team sitting that high as the best team would barely beat Minnesota right? :rolleyes

[Ascf33]

What a game though. (Bengs) Jets v Bills too.

[UNLTrpt]

hmmm dissapointed the Vikes lost to the Bears but I think that since the bears are going to be one of the better teams in the league this year that we proved ourselves somewhat. We need to get the O going though.

[luke7]

I didn't get to watch today, but was the o-line still the major problem?

Didn't see it but heard it was a problem on The Hearld Dolphins forum.

[Tiduwho]

I think the Giants could win from the NFC, but that's about it. Panthers are going nowhere without a healthy Smith, and I really don't think ATL can go anywhere with those receivers.


Seattle is absolutely embarassing them by the way. Eli already with 2 picks.

21 to 0, 9 minutes into the game.

[Ascf33]

Its fucking gross.

The crowd has completely taken the Giants out of the game and its still the 1st quarter.

[UglyNakedGuy]

At the end of the year, NY will be the better team.

[UNC41]

And for all of you that make top 5 team lists and put Chicago at or near the top....Yeah I suppose a team sitting that high as the best team would barely beat Minnesota right? :rolleyes

I have no problem putting a team on there who hasn't allowed an offensive touchdown in three games.

[Tiduwho]

hmmm dissapointed the Vikes lost to the Bears but I think that since the bears are going to be one of the better teams in the league this year that we proved ourselves somewhat. We need to get the O going though.

Man, we were lucky to get out of there with a win. First win for the Bears at the Dome in 5 years.


Grossman really regained his composure after that boneheaded INT. Saddled up and delivered the 24 yard TD for the win. I don't know what Childress was thinking running a draw on 3rd and 7 with a minute left though.


That entire game was penalty power until the 4th. Plus had pressure on Grossman almost everytime he dropped back. We'll see what happens next week in Chicago against Seattle. They look pretty f'ing good right now.

[UNC41]

This just in ... contrary to what a large number of media would like you to believe, Brett Favre is still talented enough to play in the NFL.

[Tiduwho]

And for all of you that make top 5 team lists and put Chicago at or near the top....Yeah I suppose a team sitting that high as the best team would barely beat Minnesota right? :rolleyes


Shouldn't a team you claim is better than Atlanta be able to BEAT Minnesota?

[UNC41]

Man, we were lucky to get out of there with a win. First win for the Bears at the Dome in 5 years.


Grossman really regained his composure after that boneheaded INT. Saddled up and delivered the 24 yard TD for the win. I don't know what Childress was thinking running a draw on 3rd and 7 with a minute left though.

That entire game was penalty power until the 4th. Plus had pressure on Grossman almost everytime he dropped back. We'll see what happens next week in Chicago against Seattle. They look pretty f'ing good right now.

He wanted a fourth and short situation. That call is questionable, but the fade on fourth was horrid.

[dmbmuskie]

Favre's problem is that he has slipped a little, but he hasn't realized. His decision making has always been suspect, but he had the arm to do anything. His arm is still superb, but it's not what it was. His protection sucks too.

[Tiduwho]

This just in ... contrary to what a large number of media would like you to believe, Brett Favre is still talented enough to play in the NFL.

Defense was optional that game.



Jon Kitna threw for 342 yards....



Blah, why do I want to see Favre do good though? He's mesmerized me over the past 12 years, and seeing him tail off disappoints me. I hope Favre does great the rest of the season.

[Tiduwho]

He wanted a fourth and short situation. That call is questionable, but the fade on fourth was horrid.


Yeah, was gonna post that too but didn't want to make a real long post. BJ didn't even look short, it was 4th down and a minute to go. No reason to go for it all. Just make the first down and try that on the next play.

[UNC41]

Favre's problem is that he has slipped a little, but he hasn't realized. His decision making has always been suspect, but he had the arm to do anything. His arm is still superb, but it's not what it was. His protection sucks too.

His biggest problem is the group of players around him. The Packers have fallen behind on a regular basis and he's been forced into making more suspect decisions than in the past because of the lack of offensive playmakers around him.

[SteelerMan]

Headling from the self-proclaimed "worldwide leader in sports"...

Farve second with 400 TD passes, leads Packers to win

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=260924008

Edit: I see they've fixed it now... but still.

[SteelerMan]

The Bengals didn't only wint hat game cause of turnovers.....Plus one of Bens picks was thrown in the endzone so it's not like Cincy got great field position. In fact, I think the Bengals turned the ball over even more than Pittsburgh, so that excuse makes no sense and is completely false.

Total Yards:
Steelers: 365
Bengals: 246

Passing Yards:
Steelers: 195
Bengals: 159

Rushing Yards:
Steelers: 170
Bengals: 87

Turnovers:
Steelers: 5
Bengals: 3

So... the Steelers dominate every area of the game EXCEPT turnovers, and you're trying to tell me the Bengals didn't win because of turnovers?

[UglyNakedGuy]

Shouldn't a team you claim is better than Atlanta be able to BEAT Minnesota?

Ok. Again, it's week 3.

At the end of the year, Carolina will have a better record than Atlanta. And Chicago will be in the playoffs, but will NOT be one of the best 5 teams in the NFL.

[dmbmuskie]

Total Yards:
Steelers: 365
Bengals: 246

Passing Yards:
Steelers: 195
Bengals: 159

Rushing Yards:
Steelers: 170
Bengals: 87

Turnovers:
Steelers: 5
Bengals: 3

So... the Steelers dominate every area of the game EXCEPT turnovers, and you're trying to tell me the Bengals didn't win because of turnovers?

Until we imploded I don't think the Bengals had a yard in the 2nd half.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Total Yards:
Steelers: 365
Bengals: 246

Passing Yards:
Steelers: 195
Bengals: 159

Rushing Yards:
Steelers: 170
Bengals: 87

Turnovers:
Steelers: 5
Bengals: 3

So... the Steelers dominate every area of the game EXCEPT turnovers, and you're trying to tell me the Bengals didn't win because of turnovers?

Don't make stuff up please, thanks.

[dmbmuskie]

They had 2 good drives all day

Bengals Drive Summaries
START QTR POSS. YRDL PLAYS YARDS RESULT
15:00 1 01:35 CIN 39 3 7 Punt
09:04 1 04:38 CIN 24 8 19 Interceped Pass
14:53 2 08:19 CIN 3 14 97 Touchdown
01:08 2 01:03 CIN 38 7 62 Touchdown
09:37 3 01:49 CIN 14 3 8 Interceped Pass
05:43 3 01:02 CIN 40 3 6 Punt
02:21 3 01:30 PIT 29 3 -2 Fumble
14:50 4 03:24 CIN 21 7 9 Punt
09:55 4 01:53 CIN 32 3 -8 Punt
07:12 4 00:00 PIT 30 1 30 Touchdown
03:18 4 00:36 CIN 28 3 8 Punt
00:10 4 00:10 CIN 21 1 -1 End of Game

[SteelerMan]

Don't make stuff up please, thanks.

What did I make up? Those stats are from ESPN.com... go check them yourself. Did you even watch the game? The Steelers dominated for the most part and lost mainly because they committed turnovers at the worst possible times (while attempting to go up 14-0 from the four yard line in the 1st quarter, while running down the clock in the 4th quarter with the lead (twice), and while trying to finish off a game tying drive in the 4th quarter). I'd say those are pretty crucial turnovers. I never said the Bengals won ONLY because of turnovers... you were putting words in my mouth there. If the Steelers didn't commit those turnovers, they would have won. It's difficult to argue with that if you actually watched the game.

[dmbmuskie]

I'll say it the Bengals only won because of the turnovers. They had maybe 10 good plays the entire game.

[Tiduwho]

Ok. Again, it's week 3.

At the end of the year, Carolina will have a better record than Atlanta. And Chicago will be in the playoffs, but will NOT be one of the best 5 teams in the NFL.

So I guess we can take that as a Carolina division champ gurantee?


Talk about nearing choke central against the Bucs, they were just as lucky to escape with a win.

[JC10380]

If the Steelers didn't commit those turnovers, they would have won.


If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Enjoy your bye week @ 1-2.

[SteelerMan]

I'll say it the Bengals only won because of the turnovers. They had maybe 10 good plays the entire game.

Also, of the 28 points the Bengals scored, 21 were OFF OF TURNOVERS. I give them credit for capitalizing on the Steelers ignorant mistakes, but like I said, if it weren't for the turnovers, the Bengals would not have won. The fact that all but seven of their points came off of turnovers supports that statement.

[dmbmuskie]

It's not the turnovers themselves it the point swings the produced. Bengals fans are for the most part all dillusional, so I don't expect you guys to understand.