NFL Football 2006-2007

[UNC41]

Grow up.

The Broncos had that game handed to them by the refs. You didn't watch the game, your opinion is 100% moot..

Stop being a child and trying to start crap.

If you don't think your post was doing the exact same thing I've got a news flash for you Walter Cronkite, it was.

Oh, and when I read the opinion of a Pats fan who comes into the thread and gives good detail of why they didn't deserve to win last night versus the opinion of someone I'm not sure has ever spoken negatively of a team he likes, I know which I'll learn toward believing.

I also like how two very impressive by Atlanta means nothing to you, but one loss is huge.

[UNC41]

Last season started similarly to this year...

Panthers are the better team whether you wanna believe it or not.

Right now, no. Down the road, there's a good possibility it ends up so.

[GavMan33]

And also to you people who think Vick is so good, how'd he do tonight? :lol

What's his completion percentage on the season, 40%?

Obviously, although you're an Atlanta boy now, don't support their teams. I hear you bro, I don't like the Bengals much either even though I live here now. On another note: What was the crowd yelling in the background of Monday Night Countdown and during postgame? I think I hear, "Who dey, Who dey, Who dey think gon' beat them Saints?" Is that right? A lof of folks from Cincinnati will be awfully pissed....

[GavMan33]

If you don't think your post was doing the exact same thing I've got a news flash for you Walter Cronkite, it was.

Oh, and when I read the opinion of a Pats fan who comes into the thread and gives good detail of why they didn't deserve to win last night versus the opinion of someone I'm not sure has ever spoken negatively of a team he likes, I know which I'll learn toward believing.

I also like how two very impressive by Atlanta means nothing to you, but one loss is huge.

:thumbsup Amen boy. On another note, congrats on the postseason berth for your boys. Make sure to let UNG know that means his boys are eliminated....

[UglyNakedGuy]

If you don't think your post was doing the exact same thing I've got a news flash for you Walter Cronkite, it was.

Oh, and when I read the opinion of a Pats fan who comes into the thread and gives good detail of why they didn't deserve to win last night versus the opinion of someone I'm not sure has ever spoken negatively of a team he likes, I know which I'll learn toward believing.

I also like how two very impressive by Atlanta means nothing to you, but one loss is huge.

Did I ever say the wors HUGE?

Don't think I did, I just said I love that they lost, and they aren't as good as some of you think.

I am someone who bases my opinion of teams on how they really are, not based on a couple games.

Don't be condescending either. And again, you didn't watch the game, therefor you don't have an opinion that matters. If you have nothing good to say to me, and are just looking to start things with me all the time, just shutup, cause I don't care about anything you have to say if that's the case.

[UglyNakedGuy]

:thumbsup Amen boy. On another note, congrats on the postseason berth for your boys. Make sure to let UNG know that means his boys are eliminated....

Dude come on, I thought you and I got along? Yet I always see you being subtle with insulting me all the time.

[GavMan33]

Dude come on, I thought you and I got along? Yet I always see you being subtle with insulting me all the time.

We do get along man. No need to take everything so personal. I don't take anything you say personal. A little good-natured ribbing is good, isnt it? I told you, I like you because without you, places like this are boring. Since I've already ventured off thread-topic in the last 5 minutes, I will again. How were things in Charlottesville, without going into the whole creepy guy thing??

[RJ2kWJ]

Way to let the anaylists who picked AGAINST the saints form your opinion for you when they changed THEIR minds after the game. :lol

The heck are you talking about?

[UglyNakedGuy]

We do get along man. No need to take everything so personal. I don't take anything you say personal. A little good-natured ribbing is good, isnt it? I told you, I like you because without you, places like this are boring. Since I've already ventured off thread-topic in the last 5 minutes, I will again. How were things in Charlottesville, without going into the whole creepy guy thing??

I ended up not going :shrug.

You got a sn or somethin? Maybe we could chat there or somethin so we don't highjack threads lol, I'm not as bad as some of y'all think...Me and Ryan chat all the time (ProudestAnt)

[UglyNakedGuy]

The heck are you talking about?


nm :lol

[RJ2kWJ]

nm :lol

I mean I got it... but way off. Dunno why you would think that.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I mean I got it... but way off. Dunno why you would think that.

My bad then.

[UNC41]

Did I ever say the wors HUGE?

Don't think I did, I just said I love that they lost, and they aren't as good as some of you think.

I am someone who bases my opinion of teams on how they really are, not based on a couple games.

Don't be condescending either. And again, you didn't watch the game, therefor you don't have an opinion that matters. If you have nothing good to say to me, and are just looking to start things with me all the time, just shutup, cause I don't care about anything you have to say if that's the case.

And I am someone who love that the Pats lost, and aren't as good as you think. You said something I thought was condesending to Falcons fans, therefore, I have no problem saying something like that to a Pats fan.

If everyone needs to see something to form an opinion on it then we are all way more uninformed than society views us as. I have no problem basing an opinion on views of journalists I respect and objective views from fans of a team.

No, you didn't say huge, but can you understand how it seems blatently clear one would think the loss is huge compared to two good wings for them when you call the Falcons worthless.

[UglyNakedGuy]

And I am someone who love that the Pats lost, and aren't as good as you think. You said something I thought was condesending to Falcons fans, therefore, I have no problem saying something like that to a Pats fan.

If everyone needs to see something to form an opinion on it then we are all way more uninformed than society views us as. I have no problem basing an opinion on views of journalists I respect and objective views from fans of a team.

No, you didn't say huge, but can you understand how it seems blatently clear one would think the loss is huge compared to two good wings for them when you call the Falcons worthless.

The Patriots are a better team and will go further in the playoffs than the Falcons, k thanks no longer do I need you to talk to me.

[UNC41]

The Patriots are a better team and will go further in the playoffs than the Falcons, k thanks no longer do I need you to talk to me.

You don't need to talk to me because I don't think your team is as good as you do. :lol

Just bringing the maturity.

[BotheDMBFan]

Jesus Christ, Katie, I'm so sick of your pathetic whining. You are exactly the Boston fan that makes people sick, myself included.

The Pats lost. It's that simple. They don't have a deep threat, so Denver could stuff 8 in the box and kill the run. Brady, who has been pathetic all season, was only able to complete 5-7 yard passes, which Denver willingly conceded. Denver had a great game plan, followed it to perfection, and beat the Patriots. It's that simple.

There's a good argument for the playoff game, but that wasn't last night and has no bearing on last night. The Pats lost and were never a threat. They don't have the personnel they need. If you want to get pissed at somebody, get pissed at Kraft or Bellicheck for thinking their "Get more, pay less" was going to work forever. Thanks to their penny pinching, this team has the lowest cap number in the NFL (or close to it), no receivers, an unproven kicker that can't get the ball up, and an aging defense.

If you're going to continue to give New England-area fans a bad name, do it somewhere else. Glossy-eyed fanboys and fangirls disgust me.

Truth pwn.

[BotheDMBFan]

If that's the case, congrats to the Broncos for beating the worthless Pats last night.

Amen.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh yeah, my top 5

(In no order)

Bears
Saints(I hate putting them there)
Bengals
Colts
Ravens

[UNC41]

Oh yeah, my top 5

(In no order)

Bears
Saints(I hate putting them there)
Bengals
Colts
Ravens

Tonight was very touching and it was great to see the Saints on all cylinders, but they aren't close to one of the five best teams in football. Their defense and special teams are not even in the same league as the way the played tonight.

[BotheDMBFan]

Tonight was very touching and it was great to see the Saints on all cylinders, but they aren't close to one of the five best teams in football. Their defense and special teams are not even in the same league as the way the played tonight.

That's why I hate putting them there, but with Alexander hurt, I couldn't put the Seahawks there.

[UNC41]

That's why I hate putting them there, but with Alexander hurt, I couldn't put the Seahawks there.

I easily would. The only advantage the Saints have over Seattle right now is at RB. And Maurice Morris is no slouch as a backup. He's averaging 4.5 YPC throughout his career.

And if your criteria for making the top 5 is still being undefeated, the Bolts are much better.

[BotheDMBFan]

Bolts have played 2 games, that's why they didn't get in.

To change the subject, who do you think will win the Seahawks v.s. Bears game?

[UNC41]

Could go either way between two of the top teams in the NFC.

[BotheDMBFan]

I'm going Chicago, not just because I'm a fan, but I jsut think they have a lot of things working for them.

Alexander is out, and they're playing at home after a big divisonal win.

[VanHorneDog]

Oh yeah, my top 5

(In no order)

Bears
Saints(I hate putting them there)
Bengals
Colts
Ravens

1) Bears (D4, O7) what a suprise, you know the D, but OFFENSE! Simply put, i think this team will go very far.

2) Ravens (D2, O22) there D is just too good, offense could be their downfall. the upcomging game against a great defense in the chargers will test them.

3) Bengels (D16, 17) they win, plain and simple. i dont see how they dont win at least 13.

4) Chargers (D1, O3) count in the fact that they played the raiders and the titans if you will, but out scoring your oponent in the NFL 67-7 is still, well AMAZING! true test will be the ravens, if they win, they are for real.

5) Colts (D21, O6) we know the offense, the D isnt great but look at the teams they have played so far, Giants and Jags. although giving up 24 to houston is a no no.

simply put, no NFC will win the super bowl. these 5 teams are all too good.

[UglyNakedGuy]

1) Bears (D4, O7) what a suprise, you know the D, but OFFENSE! Simply put, i think this team will go very far.

2) Ravens (D2, O22) there D is just too good, offense could be their downfall. the upcomging game against a great defense in the chargers will test them.

3) Bengels (D16, 17) they win, plain and simple. i dont see how they dont win at least 13.

4) Chargers (D1, O3) count in the fact that they played the raiders and the titans if you will, but out scoring your oponent in the NFL 67-7 is still, well AMAZING! true test will be the ravens, if they win, they are for real.

5) Colts (D21, O6) we know the offense, the D isnt great but look at the teams they have played so far, Giants and Jags. although giving up 24 to houston is a no no.

simply put, no NFC will win the super bowl. these 5 teams are all too good.

Did you know your number one team is in the NFC right?

[VanHorneDog]

Did you know your number one team is in the NFC right?

shhh, i knew that, but i had the Jaguars on there first. i forgot the bears. :D.

sorry typo

[BotheDMBFan]

You dumb dirty bastard,

[UglyNakedGuy]

Here's my team

QB Palmer
WR Boldin
WR Chambers
WR Driver
RB Jackson
RB Willie
TE Gonzo
W/R Gore
BN Chester
BN Tatum
BN Galloway
BN Chris Henry
BN Ben Watson
BN Matt Leinart

K Rackers

DEF Baltimore

Someone in my league needs another RB, and I offered him Jackson, Tatum, and Galloway for LT and Muhsin

I am trying to rid of Galloway with Simms out, what do y'all think? Should I offer this trade? I dono if hell even do it, but does it look good for me to do?

[UglyNakedGuy]

I def posted this in the wrong thread lol

[BotheDMBFan]

It's ok, we still love ya ;)

[VanHorneDog]

It's ok, we still love ya ;)

awww. group hug! :lol

[BotheDMBFan]

*kicks al in the nuts*

Even you putting Da Bears #1 in your list couldn't have you avoid that.

[VanHorneDog]

*kicks al in the nuts*

Even you putting Da Bears #1 in your list couldn't have you avoid that.

haha, i even called them an AFC team... that was funny.

[Tiduwho]

1) Bears (D4, O7) what a suprise, you know the D, but OFFENSE! Simply put, i think this team will go very far.

2) Ravens (D2, O22) there D is just too good, offense could be their downfall. the upcomging game against a great defense in the chargers will test them.

3) Bengels (D16, 17) they win, plain and simple. i dont see how they dont win at least 13.

4) Chargers (D1, O3) count in the fact that they played the raiders and the titans if you will, but out scoring your oponent in the NFL 67-7 is still, well AMAZING! true test will be the ravens, if they win, they are for real.

5) Colts (D21, O6) we know the offense, the D isnt great but look at the teams they have played so far, Giants and Jags. although giving up 24 to houston is a no no.

simply put, no NFC will win the super bowl. these 5 teams are all too good.

Ravens almost lost to the Browns though. I say the Colts are still #1 in my book. What happened to all that Jacksonville hype? 5 of the 8 ESPN experts picked Indy to lose. Indy won again, just business as usual, though it was evident Jax has improved. If the Bears convincingly beat Seattle next week, then I will give them the nod, but not until then.

[Bartndrpleez]

Ravens almost lost to the Browns though. I say the Colts are still #1 in my book. What happened to all that Jacksonville hype? 5 of the 8 ESPN experts picked Indy to lose. Indy won again, just business as usual, though it was evident Jax has improved. If the Bears convincingly beat Seattle next week, then I will give them the nod, but not until then.

Jax will beat Indy at home later in the season, I'll bet on that. They are GOOD and that D is pretty freakin' good, but not good enough to beat Peyton in the dome. It will be a different story up there in Jax.

[pkpro1]

shaun alexander has a broken foot... isn't he on the cover of the new madden game?

[SteelerMan]

There's no way the Bengals should be ahead of the Colts. I know they lost Sunday, but I'd put Jacksonville ahead of the Bengals.

[RJ2kWJ]

shaun alexander has a broken foot... isn't he on the cover of the new madden game?

Yup... The Madden curse strikes AGAIN. :lol

[MJRay2]

As long as Hasselbeck has Jackson, Engram, Branch, and Burlson to throw to, the Hawks will be fine. Mo Morris can get it done in the running game well enough. Plus their D is solid this year. Seattle's my #1.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Ravens almost lost to the Browns though. I say the Colts are still #1 in my book. What happened to all that Jacksonville hype? 5 of the 8 ESPN experts picked Indy to lose. Indy won again, just business as usual, though it was evident Jax has improved. If the Bears convincingly beat Seattle next week, then I will give them the nod, but not until then.

The Colts have no defense, and it was east to stop Jax, cause they have no offense.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Jax will beat Indy at home later in the season, I'll bet on that. They are GOOD and that D is pretty freakin' good, but not good enough to beat Peyton in the dome. It will be a different story up there in Jax.

Yep.

Jax is the better all around team.

[UglyNakedGuy]

There's no way the Bengals should be ahead of the Colts. I know they lost Sunday, but I'd put Jacksonville ahead of the Bengals.

But the Bengals have the second best offense in football. About as good as Indy. But the difference between the Colts and the Bengals is the Bengals have somewhat of a defense.

[dmbhoosier21]

The Colts have no defense, and it was east to stop Jax, cause they have no offense.

Not saying the Colts have a top-notch defense but the defense is pretty banged up right now, most notably Simon (obviously still no excuse for the pathetic tackling so far in the season)

I dont know how you can call Jax the better team considering they have lost the past ...who knows how many games to the colts and the way they lost the last game to the Colts. Colts are more talented and has a mental/psychological edge over the Jags (similar to how NE had a mental edge of the Colts few years back) How do you judge who is a better team, personally I judge with wins and losses.

Jags absolutely dominated the Colts in the first half and the score was still tied. (if it wasn't for the no-calls on Marvin, Indy would have been ahead). And the defense adjusted pretty nicely the second half against the Jags....look at the numbers.

And I dont know how you can say the Jax a better "all-around team considering you said they have no offense. (Personally I disagree, they have two solid RBs with a solid QB, and M. Jones has potential)

With that being said, the Colts need to figure things out with their running game or it is going to be another early exit in the playoffs

[UNC41]

But the Bengals have the second best offense in football. About as good as Indy. But the difference between the Colts and the Bengals is the Bengals have somewhat of a defense.

If Palmer can return to last season's form the Bengals will have the most talented offense in the NFL.

[dmbhoosier21]

If Palmer can return to last season's form the Bengals will have the most talented offense in the NFL.

Agreed, mostly due to Indy's running game....or lack there of

[UNC41]

Agreed, mostly due to Indy's running game....or lack there of

Yeah. Right now Cinci has the best receiving corp in the NFL and top five QB and RB.

[nlowe]

WOW...who would have thought that a Patriots fan would talk trash about the colts...good win over denver pats

[dmbhoosier21]

Yeah. Right now Cinci has the best receiving corp in the NFL and top five QB and RB.

I am going to have to fight you on that....Marvin and Wayne are having pretty good years, with Marvin leading the league in yards and is pretty high up on catches. Stokley is a solid and proven 3rd WR option when he comes back healthy. I really don't know much about Cinci's tight ends but Indy has some good ones with Dallas Clark being the primary receiving TE.

It's definitely a debatable point.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I am going to have to fight you on that....Marvin and Wayne are having pretty good years, with Marvin leading the league in yards and is pretty high up on catches. Stokley is a solid and proven 3rd WR option when he comes back healthy. I really don't know much about Cinci's tight ends but Indy has some good ones with Dallas Clark being the primary receiving TE.

It's definitely a debatable point.

How good is that game going to be at the end of the season? Can't wait for that one. I may need to ask for the next day off from work after that night.

[UNC41]

I am going to have to fight you on that....Marvin and Wayne are having pretty good years, with Marvin leading the league in yards and is pretty high up on catches. Stokley is a solid and proven 3rd WR option when he comes back healthy. I really don't know much about Cinci's tight ends but Indy has some good ones with Dallas Clark being the primary receiving TE.

It's definitely a debatable point.

I think with Marvin/Chad and Reggie/Housh it's pretty close. I'll give Marvin the slight advantage over Johnson right now and call Wayne and Housh a push. The biggest difference lies the No. 3 receiver. I'm not so sure Chris Henry isn't in the same league as Wayne and Housh. For now I'll put him just a step below, and while Stokley is still good, he's not in Henry's league. I think him and the Bengals No. 4 receiver, Kelley Washington, are comparable. The Colts definately have the advantage at TE, but I just like the Bengals four threats at WR more than what Indy brings.

[dmbhoosier21]

How good is that game going to be at the end of the season? Can't wait for that one. I may need to ask for the next day off from work after that night.

If I had a chance to go to the game, I don't see too many things that would stop me from going including work or school.

And it's not too deep into the season when playoff teams are sitting out and resting their starters.

[SteelerMan]

Don't forget about the Cardinals with Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Johnson. Give them a QB the caliber of Manning or Palmer and I think they'd be the best WR corp in the league.

[dmbhoosier21]

I think with Marvin/Chad and Reggie/Housh it's pretty close. I'll give Marvin the slight advantage over Johnson right now and call Wayne and Housh a push. The biggest difference lies the No. 3 receiver. I'm not so sure Chris Henry isn't in the same league as Wayne and Housh. For now I'll put him just a step below, and while Stokley is still good, he's not in Henry's league. I think him and the Bengals No. 4 receiver, Kelley Washington, are comparable. The Colts definately have the advantage at TE, but I just like the Bengals four threats at WR more than what Indy brings.


:lol, definitely a debatable point; either way it's two very good (best?) passing games in the league

[dmbhoosier21]

Don't forget about the Cardinals with Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Johnson. Give them a QB the caliber of Manning or Palmer and I think they'd be the best WR corp in the league.

Good point

Those guys had 100 receptions each (Boldin & Fitz) last season with no running game and a QB that was nowhere near the caliber of Manning and Palmer

[Dancing Ants]

Good point

Those guys had 100 receptions each (Boldin & Fitz) last season with no running game and a QB that was nowhere near the caliber of Manning and Palmer


give leinart a little time. he'll be a good QB.

[Rob]

give leinart a little time. he'll be a good QB.

I agree. However, he won't be a good QB this week. I'm shocked Green is willing to start him this early.

[UglyNakedGuy]

WOW...who would have thought that a Patriots fan would talk trash about the colts...good win over denver pats

mature

[UglyNakedGuy]

I am going to have to fight you on that....Marvin and Wayne are having pretty good years, with Marvin leading the league in yards and is pretty high up on catches. Stokley is a solid and proven 3rd WR option when he comes back healthy. I really don't know much about Cinci's tight ends but Indy has some good ones with Dallas Clark being the primary receiving TE.

It's definitely a debatable point.

The number ones of Johnson and Marvin, I'd give the nod to Marvin
The number twos of Housh and Wayne, that's a toughy.
The number threes of Henry, and Stokley, I give it to Henry.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I think with Marvin/Chad and Reggie/Housh it's pretty close. I'll give Marvin the slight advantage over Johnson right now and call Wayne and Housh a push. The biggest difference lies the No. 3 receiver. I'm not so sure Chris Henry isn't in the same league as Wayne and Housh. For now I'll put him just a step below, and while Stokley is still good, he's not in Henry's league. I think him and the Bengals No. 4 receiver, Kelley Washington, are comparable. The Colts definately have the advantage at TE, but I just like the Bengals four threats at WR more than what Indy brings.

Wow I didn't read your post before I compared them. Right on, I agree 100%

[UglyNakedGuy]

I agree. However, he won't be a good QB this week. I'm shocked Green is willing to start him this early.

He'll do fine this week in Atlanta.

[UNC41]

I agree. However, he won't be a good QB this week. I'm shocked Green is willing to start him this early.

Warner is reportedly injured.

[thebigv]

His wife kicked the crap out of him for playing like shit.

[UNC41]

His wife kicked the crap out of him for playing like shit.

After exercising some demons.

[SmoothD41]

Yep.

Jax is the better all around team.

wrong

Colts offense destroys their offense. JAX defense is definitely better, but it's much closer than the offenses. The Colts have been playing without Corey Simon, FS Bob Sanders missed the last game, and Freeney has been banged up since week 1.

[Rob]

And now the Cards are going to stick w/ Warner.

There's still time to jump off the Arizona bandwagon before it pulls a Dolphins...

[VanHorneDog]

Chargers Vs Bears 2007 super bowl. :D

[UNC41]

wrong

Colts offense destroys their offense. JAX defense is definitely better, but it's much closer than the offenses. The Colts have been playing without Corey Simon, FS Bob Sanders missed the last game, and Freeney has been banged up since week 1.

I don't think either team is clear cut above the other. Either could win on any given Sunday.

[UglyNakedGuy]

wrong

Colts offense destroys their offense. JAX defense is definitely better, but it's much closer than the offenses. The Colts have been playing without Corey Simon, FS Bob Sanders missed the last game, and Freeney has been banged up since week 1.

Jax will win when these two teams play again in Jacksonville.

[Tiduwho]

Jax will win when these two teams play again in Jacksonville.

No, they are supposed to. And yet they won't. It's more business as usual.

Just like the Panthers were supposed to run away with the NFC. And how your Patriots were supposed to lose the AFC East to the supposed-to-be good Dolphins.



I don't like supposed-to's. Coincidence that I absolutely hate the BCS?

[ncdude2k3]

the Chargers/Ravens game this week makes me happy in my pants. that will be a great, physical game to watch.

[UglyNakedGuy]

No, they are supposed to. And yet they won't. It's more business as usual.

Just like the Panthers were supposed to run away with the NFC. And how your Patriots were supposed to lose the AFC East to the supposed-to-be good Dolphins.



I don't like supposed-to's. Coincidence that I absolutely hate the BCS?

The Panthers will win the NFC South the way they did last year.

Last year the Falcons started 2-1, Panthers 1-2, exact same as last year

Panthers are easily the best NFC south team.

And I said Jax will win that game, that's my prediction, get over it.

[GOB_]

The Panthers will win the NFC South the way they did last year.



Which means they will finish second. The Bucs won the NFC South last year. :)

[willthethrill]

The Panthers will win the NFC South the way they did last year.

Last year the Falcons started 2-1, Panthers 1-2, exact same as last year

Panthers are easily the best NFC south team.

And I said Jax will win that game, that's my prediction, get over it.
A Pats fan I like? Nooooo way...

[UglyNakedGuy]

Which means they will finish second. The Bucs won the NFC South last year. :)

Did they really?

Well either way, the Panthers are the best team in that division. I think it's so funny how people thought the Falcons were the real deal and a Superbowl team after TWO GAMES!

[willthethrill]

Did they really?

Well either way, the Panthers are the best team in that division. I think it's so funny how people thought the Falcons were the real deal and a Superbowl team after TWO GAMES!
I just hope the Panthers get their shit together before next Sunday when we play the "mighty" Saints.

[Tiduwho]

Looks like TO just hired Brett Favre as his new Doctor.


OD'd on painkillers and is hospitalized.

[Dancing Ants]

are they sure it's painkillers?

[UNC41]

Jax will win when these two teams play again in Jacksonville.

Roy Williams ladies and gentlemen.

[dmbfd15]

All the cowboys have to do this week is show up and they win i'd even rest some starters the second half because week 5 is the biggest game of the regular season vs. the Philadelphia Eagles @ PHILLY when T.O will break his record of 20 receptions and get 22 receptions 250 yds and 4 TD's for the greatest game of his life..

[thebigv]

You are a fucking idiot if you think he'll have 20+ receptions. Wow.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Roy Williams ladies and gentlemen.

What is your problem man, all you ever do is criticize EVERYTHING I say.

[UglyNakedGuy]

All the cowboys have to do this week is show up and they win i'd even rest some starters the second half because week 5 is the biggest game of the regular season vs. the Philadelphia Eagles @ PHILLY when T.O will break his record of 20 receptions and get 22 receptions 250 yds and 4 TD's for the greatest game of his life..



hahahah

I predict he gets 9 receptions.

[Rob]

All the cowboys have to do this week is show up and they win i'd even rest some starters the second half because week 5 is the biggest game of the regular season vs. the Philadelphia Eagles @ PHILLY when T.O will break his record of 20 receptions and get 22 receptions 250 yds and 4 TD's for the greatest game of his life..

Can somebody translate for me? I can't read Junior High.

[UNC41]

What is your problem man, all you ever do is criticize EVERYTHING I say.

Easier there. It's a joke.

[UNC41]

All the cowboys have to do this week is show up and they win i'd even rest some starters the second half because week 5 is the biggest game of the regular season vs. the Philadelphia Eagles @ PHILLY when T.O will break his record of 20 receptions and get 22 receptions 250 yds and 4 TD's for the greatest game of his life..

Is that right Corky?

http://www.nrlc.org/news/1999/NRL299/cover.jpg

[RJ2kWJ]

Can somebody translate for me? I can't read Junior High.

:lol It was definitely a hell of a sentence.

[Rob]

You and I seem to be getting along far better recently, RJ. Nice to see ;)

[Trippin4136]

What is your problem man, all you ever do is criticize EVERYTHING I say.

you just called me Roy Williams like last week. Take your medicine.

[dmbgodagirl41]

What/Who is more overrated:
T.O.
The Steelers

[dmbgodagirl41]

Can somebody translate for me? I can't read Junior High.
what do you mean you cant read thoughts like that i think what people need to start doing is using some sort of punctuation we cannot be expected to just insert periods and whatnot so that we are some sort of crypologist or whatever why must people act so edumucated

[SteelerMan]

What/Who is more overrated:
T.O.
The Steelers

The Patriots

[dmbgodagirl41]

The Patriots
Yeah they're overrated.:rolleyes

I would pick T.O., but I was wondering what other people think.

[Trippin4136]

The Patriots

[dmbgodagirl41]

Whats that I taste? Ah yes, of course, sour grapes.

Anyone whose sports teams have not won more than 2 championships in football or baseball in this century and has something to say just to be an asshole about Boston sports, kindly shut the hell up. All it does is make you look bitter and stupid. And trust me, I know bitter fans when I see them.

[SteelerMan]

Whats that I taste? Ah yes, of course, sour grapes.

Anyone whose sports teams have not won more than 2 championships in football or baseball in this century and has something to say just to be an asshole about Boston sports, kindly shut the hell up. All it does is make you look bitter and stupid. And trust me, I know bitter fans when I see them.

Sour grapes? We won the Super Bowl last year, not you.

Boston sports fans used to be like that nice guy in the movies that everyone roots for and REALLY hopes gets the girl in the end. Well, after he got the girl, everyone was SOOOOOO happy for him. But that's not where the story ends. He started beating her and acting like a dick to all the people who hoped he would get her in the first place, and now everybody hates him. That's the story of the Boston sports fan.

[Trippin4136]

I'm just fucking with you. Boston can't take the heat? Jeez you think after 86 years of misery, a little ribbing wouldn't get those oversized panties housing your 15 inches in a twist.

[GOB_]

Sour grapes? We won the Super Bowl last year, not you.

But you failed Katie's test because the Steelers haven't won 2 championships...this century! :lol

[Trippin4136]

the whole "this century" shit is stupid. if it were 2050, fine, it would work but not in 2006.

[thebigv]

I'm just fucking with you. Boston can't take the heat? Jeez you think after 86 years of misery, a little ribbing wouldn't get those oversized panties housing your 15 inches in a twist.

BOOM goes the dynamite! :lol

[Tiduwho]

This sucks, I mean yeah, Indy and my boy Chad isn't a bad game to have on one of the CBS channels, but BOTH? No Ravens/Chargers? Lame.

[dre2142]

All the cowboys have to do this week is show up and they win i'd even rest some starters the second half because week 5 is the biggest game of the regular season vs. the Philadelphia Eagles @ PHILLY when T.O will break his record of 20 receptions and get 22 receptions 250 yds and 4 TD's for the greatest game of his life..

I needed a good laugh today....thanks man!

[BotheDMBFan]

Whats that I taste? Ah yes, of course, sour grapes.

Anyone whose sports teams have not won more than 2 championships in football or baseball in this century and has something to say just to be an asshole about Boston sports, kindly shut the hell up. All it does is make you look bitter and stupid. And trust me, I know bitter fans when I see them.

Further proving that all Boston fans are retards.

[dre2142]

Further proving that all Boston fans are retards.

Exactly

[Tiduwho]

Further proving that all Boston fans are retards.

Not all, but the loud ones from Boston might be the loudest in the country.

[dmbmuskie]

Why does Fox think Joe Buck is so good? All he does is bitch about what players do.

[Trippin4136]

did any of you guys see what Titans DT Albert Haynesworth did? Vile. He'd be suspended and barred from his team for the rest of 2006 if it was up to me.

[dmbmuskie]

did any of you guys see what Titans DT Albert Haynesworth did? Vile. He'd be suspended and barred from his team for the rest of 2006 if it was up to me.

I missed it. What happened?

[Trippin4136]

Julius Jones ran in a TD from like 4 yards out. Haynesworth takes down the Cowboys RG in the process..as the play ends Haynesworth rips off the RG's helmet, kicks him in the back and then stomps right on the RG's helmetless face right near his right eye. It was disgusting.

Then like a coward, piece of shit that he is, he's pleading his case to Jeff Fisher, who's face was purple in fury, screaming at his player to get his ass off the field and to the locker room. He was promptly tossed from the game.

The Cowboys RG left the field with a towel over his eye which I'm sure was covering a lot of blood.

[dmbmuskie]

That's messed up. He'll miss 4 games would be my guess.

[Trippin4136]

the League should set an example and kick him out for the rest of 2006

[dmbmuskie]

the League should set an example and kick him out for the rest of 2006

The thing is that dirty shit happens every game, but we miss so much of it. This was really bad, but what goes on in the bottom of a pile is just as bad. I'm not defending him, but I don't think he'll get the boot for the year.

[Trippin4136]

I don't think so either. But this wasnt exactly bottom of the pile. It was wide open in the line of site of everyone. Camera picked up cleanly. I think the biggest factor in it, is that he actually pulled off his helmet. It didn't just pop off.

[dmbmuskie]

I'm sure it will be plastered all over the highlight shows tonight. The Fox show will be the best Joe Buck will absolutely lose it, and Howie Long will say he's seen worse when he played in Oakland.

[BotheDMBFan]

the League should set an example and kick him out for the rest of 2006

What happened?

[BotheDMBFan]

NM, I jsut read.

What a fucking pussy, kick his ass out.

[Tiduwho]

J-E-T-S


JETS JETS JETS!!


Gotta love Chad-Man. Even if they don't pull this out.

[DMBfan41]

Peyton Manning is just the man, that drive was amazing

[Tiduwho]

....Which it looks like they won't.


Offhand comment, Martin Grammatica? Wtf is he doing kicking? I thought Vini was cleared to play.

[Tiduwho]

Peyton Manning is just the man, that drive was amazing


Peyton, Chad, and Rex.



My 3 favorite QBs.

[BotheDMBFan]

what's the score of the JEts v.s. Colts game?

[Tiduwho]

what's the score of the JEts v.s. Colts game?

Omg, omfg....it fell short.


You want to talk about Ball State or whatever? They had about 10 laterals, and got all the way down to the 20. That was just wow. They finally stopped it, but MAN that was AWESOME!!

[Trippin4136]

Omg, omfg....it fell short.


You want to talk about Ball State or whatever? They had about 10 laterals, and got all the way down to the 20. That was just wow. They finally stopped it, but MAN that was AWESOME!!

yes, yes it was. They gave it a great shot.

Even worse though ...Greg Gumbel "there's an injured Jet on the field!"...and it's their best WR (cut away from game)

[Tiduwho]

So Miami's going to the Super Bowl right?

[dre2142]

Cool ending to that game. Though I hate Manning......

[BotheDMBFan]

I've always hated Manning.

[Tiduwho]

yes, yes it was. They gave it a great shot.

Even worse though ...Greg Gumbel "there's an injured Jet on the field!"...and it's their best WR (cut away from game)


Offensive lineman, Chad, everyone was running with that ball, that would have been amazing.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Further proving that all Boston fans are retards.

Oh grow up.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh grow up.

I will when you will.

[Tiduwho]

:shrug


Son of a crap. What are you doing to me Bungles? Now we're going to have to listen to UNG and DMBGodaGirl all...week....long. :lorraine

[GavMan33]

Well, I'm gonna swallow my own pill here. I've thought all year New England has been overrated, and the Bengals are better than people are giving them credit for. Well the Pats have come into Cincinnati and manhandled the Bengals thusfar. New England is showing the football world today; how about Corey Dillon playing with a chip on his shoulder? And who's that new RB that's running all over the Bengals? Damn....

[GavMan33]

:shrug


Son of a crap. What are you doing to me Bungles? Now we're going to have to listen to UNG and DMBGodaGirl all...week....long. :lorraine

:lol :lol :lol Isn't that the truth?

[TempHelpNeeded]

:shrug


Son of a crap. What are you doing to me Bungles? Now we're going to have to listen to UNG and DMBGodaGirl all...week....long. :lorraine



And me. :p



PATRIOTS BABY!!!



WHO DEY?!?! WE DEY BITCHES!

[dmbmuskie]

I think New England will be the best team in the AFC come January, so it's nothing to be ashamed of.

The Bengals are learning the hard way what happens to good teams in the NFL. More teams are paying attention to them, and they have learned how to attack them, while they play a brutal first place schedule. They've got their asses kicked the last 2 weeks by physical run first teams with defenses that create confusion for the offense. I predicted this before the season started.

[Rob]

:shrug


Son of a crap. What are you doing to me Bungles? Now we're going to have to listen to UNG and DMBGodaGirl all...week....long. :lorraine

No shit... And I'm a Pats fan.

That said, Brady had another horrible first half. Gabriel bailed him out on the first TD. The 2nd half was a piece of cake- I've never seen a Pats running game like this.

The Colts/Jets game was unbelievable. I was torn- as a Pats fan, you have to root for Indy to win that game and knock the Jets down. However, as a Pats fan, you also have to hate Indy. Regardless, that was a hell of a game for any fan of the game.

Haynesworth's actions disgusted me. The NFL won't have the balls to give him the boot for the season, but they need to set some sort of example. There was another hit like that in the Pats game- just vicious violence for the sake of violence.

Vince Young looked good for about 10 minutes. He showed flashes of what he's going to be capable of. I wish I'd seen Leinart, but it wasn't on anywhere in my area.

All in all, a good day of the NFL game. It's the first time this season a Patriots fan can feel good about the team.

[TempHelpNeeded]

No shit... And I'm a Pats fan.

That said, Brady had another horrible first half. Gabriel bailed him out on the first TD. The 2nd half was a piece of cake- I've never seen a Pats running game like this.

The Colts/Jets game was unbelievable. I was torn- as a Pats fan, you have to root for Indy to win that game and knock the Jets down. However, as a Pats fan, you also have to hate Indy. Regardless, that was a hell of a game for any fan of the game.

Haynesworth's actions disgusted me. The NFL won't have the balls to give him the boot for the season, but they need to set some sort of example. There was another hit like that in the Pats game- just vicious violence for the sake of violence.

Vince Young looked good for about 10 minutes. He showed flashes of what he's going to be capable of. I wish I'd seen Leinart, but it wasn't on anywhere in my area.

All in all, a good day of the NFL game. It's the first time this season a Patriots fan can feel good about the team.



Very, very true. :thumbsup


Just like the good ole' days.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I will when you will.

Don't start crap with me man, cmon.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I think New England will be the best team in the AFC come January, so it's nothing to be ashamed of.

The Bengals are learning the hard way what happens to good teams in the NFL. More teams are paying attention to them, and they have learned how to attack them, while they play a brutal first place schedule. They've got their asses kicked the last 2 weeks by physical run first teams with defenses that create confusion for the offense. I predicted this before the season started.

Hurry up and jump on the Pats bandwagon. Everyone else will be after this week..And alot of those people will be the same people who used to think Cincy was the best team in the NFL.

[UglyNakedGuy]

How do y'all think Leinart will do next week against KC? My guess is he will start, and he and Palmer are my only QBs. I am wondering If I should go with Leinart next week (Palmer has a bye) or pick up someone else.

[Tiduwho]

This game makes or breaks my life.

[dmbmuskie]

Hurry up and jump on the Pats bandwagon. Everyone else will be after this week..And alot of those people will be the same people who used to think Cincy was the best team in the NFL.

I said the Pats were the best team in the NFL in July or August.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I said the Pats were the best team in the NFL in July or August.

I didn't see that..

[UglyNakedGuy]

So which one of you guys STILL thinks Cincy and Seattle are the best teams in the NFL? :rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

This should teach you that YOU DON'T BASE YOUR OPINIONS OF TEAMS BASED ON 2 WEEKS.

[Trippin4136]

Chicago is the best team in the NFL imo.

[dmbmuskie]

I actually picked Carolina, Pittsburgh, and New Engalnd as the best 3 teams in the league when I went looking for my old post. I still think they'll be there late in January. All 3 have struggled, but New England and Carolina have righted the ship. I think we'll all see a different Pittsburgh team next Sunday night.

The 'Hawks are a good team, but whenever you lose an MVP you are going to struggle.

The Bengals are not good. I honestly believe they'll end up below .500 or right at it, if they get lucky.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Chicago is the best team in the NFL imo.

One of.

[Trippin4136]

One of.

In your opinion. To me, they're THE best.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I actually picked Carolina, Pittsburgh, and New Engalnd as the best 3 teams in the league when I went looking for my old post. I still think they'll be there late in January. All 3 have struggled, but New England and Carolina have righted the ship. I think we'll all see a different Pittsburgh team next Sunday night.

The 'Hawks are a good team, but whenever you lose an MVP you are going to struggle.

The Bengals are not good. I honestly believe they'll end up below .500 or right at it, if they get lucky.

No way...Cincy is a great team...Not the best in the NFL, but they are very good. Better than Indy IMO.

And I'm glad to see a change of pace in this thread...Everyone else likes to base their opinions of teams based on like one game. It's ridiculous. I'm happy to see someone else that looks at the big picture like myself. Anyone who can honestly say Atlanta is a top 3 NFL team and a much better team than Carolina, which alot of people in here said after week 2, won't have their opinion taken seriously by me.

Carolina will go further this year than Atlanta. Trust me.

[UglyNakedGuy]

In your opinion. To me, their THE best.


Cool man.

[Trippin4136]

Didn't see anyone mention it...but good god, that hit Kevin Kesvaharn (sp?) laid on that Pats WR (forget who it was). That was a VICIOUS hit. He got absolutely derailed.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Didn't see anyone mention it...but good god, that hit Kevin Kesvaharn (sp?) laid on that Pats WR (forget who it was). That was a VICIOUS hit. He got absolutely derailed.

It was a dirty hit.

Have you guys heard about that dumbass Haynesworth on TN stomp that guys head??? It's awful.

Edit: And that hit was on Reche Caldwell. And there was a deserving flag on that dirty play.

[Trippin4136]

It was a dirty hit.

Have you guys heard about that dumbass Haynesworth on TN stomp that guys head??? It's awful.

Yea I brought up the Haynesworth play earlier.

That hit was dirty by today's NFL standards. NO chance they call that on Ronnie Lott 20 years ago. Still may have been a dirty hit, but it was still entertaining.

[dmbmuskie]

I know I bash the Benagls more than I should, but I just cannot help it. They have modeled their team after the Colts, and the no huddle attack they both run seemed unstopable most of last year. Jacksonville showed the league how to stop the Colts offensively, but didn't have the offensive personel to get a victory.

San Diego and Pittsburgh did by stopping the run with a nickle package, and abusing Manning while scoring enough points to get the win. The Bengals are seeing that same strategy now, and have been manhandled the last 2 weeks. When you look at their schedule they play almost every physical team in the league, and they're going to struggle to win each and every week.

Palmer has maybe lost half a step coming off surgury, and suddenly he looks like Kurt Warner back there. Bengals fans have to hold their breath every time he drops back because he's putting the ball on the turf so much.

They also have to deal with the fact thay they're not sneaking up on people anymore.

[Trippin4136]

they still did beat your Steelers last week who, if Big Ben doesn't get it together, aren't going anywhere.

[dmbmuskie]

they still did beat your Steelers last week who, if Big Ben doesn't get it together, aren't going anywhere.

That is true on both accounts. The Bengals - Pats game today killed me to watch. The Pats didn't beat themselves today, while the Steelers did.

[Trippin4136]

I still am not totally sold on NE either. Cincy's swiss cheese run D cost them that game from the very beginning. NE looked pretty awful v. Denver at home. It will definitely take a few more weeks to properly gauge NE.

[dmbmuskie]

I still am not totally sold on NE either. Cincy's swiss cheese run D cost them that game from the very beginning. NE looked pretty awful v. Denver at home. It will definitely take a few more weeks to properly gauge NE.

The Pats just had no rhythm on offense last week, while today we saw Brady and his new targets getting on the same page.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Denver has always had Tom Brady's number...Anyone who thinks that the Pats week 3 performance is an accurate gauge of how good their team is clearly is mistaken.

On a side note, how bout them over rated Seahawks?? They play well against the crappy teams in their division which gives them an easy 6-0, but lose to the good teams.
I love seeing Chicago destroy them.

[BotheDMBFan]

Me too my man, me too.

Also, I was really impressed with New England this week.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Man, Frank Gore, and Palmer are killing me with giving the ball away.

Gore has lost a fumble in every game.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I'm not even a Bears fan but I LOVED seeing them crush Seattle. Seattle is no where close to as good as people think. They got lucky last year playing a depleted Carolina team in the playoffs.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh guys, we have to say this now.

What network will Kurt Warner be an analyst for next season?

[UglyNakedGuy]

How do you think Leinart will do next week?? Palmer is on bye, so I'm thinking of starting him...

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't think he'll do very well, but now that Warner, my boyhood hero, is practically done(unless a miricle trade to TB occurs and more miricles follow) I don't even care about the Cards.

[dmbmuskie]

It's really a shame to see that Warner's deal with the devil has expired.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I don't think he'll do very well, but now that Warner, my boyhood hero, is practically done(unless a miricle trade to TB occurs and more miricles follow) I don't even care about the Cards.

Warner had two good years with an incredible team around him..Hell I coulda been the QB for those Rams teams and won the Superbowl...Warner has always been very over rated.

Leinart is very polished and is facing a weak secondary in KC at home, what makes you think he will do poorly?

[BotheDMBFan]

Warner had two good years with an incredible team around him..Hell I coulda been the QB for those Rams teams and won the Superbowl...Warner has always been very over rated.

Leinart is very polished and is facing a weak secondary in KC at home, what makes you think he will do poorly?

And he had 3 GREAT years, and a couple of decent-good ones.

That O-line.

[RJ2kWJ]

Just got back from the game... SO HOW BOUT THEM REDSKINS?!!? :bounce

THAT is the Washington team taht most people expected to see play this year... And Jacksonville WHO? Oh yea... The team the defending champs couldn't even score on. GOD I'm PUMPED right now.

Excluding college football... I have never heard a place get so loud than when Santana broke away in OT. Wow.

[Tiduwho]

Bears Offense : 116 points scored
Bears Defense : 22 points given up

Mmmmmm....that's good differential. :multi

[UglyNakedGuy]

in 1999 in 16 games, he threw for 4353 yds, 41 td, 13 int, 5 lost fumbles...= great year
in 2000 in 11 games, he threw for 3429 yds, 21 td, 18 int, 1 lost fumble....= ok year
in 2001 in 16 games, he threw for 4830 yds, 36 td, 22 int, 4 lost fumbles...= great year


Those are the only years where he really did anything at all. And if you consider 2000 a GREAT year like you said, then you have very low expectations of QB IMO.

EDIT - His 2000 TD and yds totals are pretty good, but 18 int in 11 games? I don't consider that great AT ALL.

[BotheDMBFan]

Best team in the NFC, 2nd in the NFL.

[BotheDMBFan]

in 1999 he threw for 4353 yds, 41 td, 13 int, 5 lost fumbles...= great year
in 2000 he threw for 3429 yds, 21 td, 18 int, 1 lost fumble....= ok year
in 2001 he threw for 4830 yds, 36 td, 22 int, 4 lost fumbles...= great year


Those are the only years where he really did anything at all. And if you consider 2000 a GREAT year like you said, then you have very low expectations of QB IMO.

almost 3,500 in what 12 games, is better than ok.

Maybe not great, but better than a mere "ok"

[UglyNakedGuy]

almost 3,500 in what 12 games, is better than ok.

Maybe not great, but better than a mere "ok"

You're right it would be considered good like I said before when you tried to correct me and say it was "GREAT"

[BotheDMBFan]

Also, now thinking on it, it is a great year, jsut not compared to those other 2 years.

and if Az-Hakim knew how to hold onto a fucking ball, who knows?

That Martz system is murder for QB's though, you have 3 good-great seasons, then you're thumb or shoulder gets fucked royally......some former ST coordinators are just bitches.

[UglyNakedGuy]

So bo do you still think the Falcons, Seahawks and Chargers are each one of the top 5 teams in the NFL? :lol:lol

[UglyNakedGuy]

Also, now thinking on it, it is a great year, jsut not compared to those other 2 years.

and if Az-Hakim knew how to hold onto a fucking ball, who knows?

That Martz system is murder for QB's though, you have 3 good-great seasons, then you're thumb or shoulder gets fucked royally......some former ST coordinators are just bitches.

I don't consider someone throwing 2 ints a game as having a GREAT year.

[BotheDMBFan]

Hey, like I said, it changes from week to week.

Falcons, yes.

Hawks, no..though still top 5 in the NFC.

Bolts, hell naw.

Anyways, here's the new list for this week(Since I doubt Philly will do anything to just completly wow me)

(In order)

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Pats
4. Falcons
5. Cowgirls(I hate putting them there, but I'm to hyped over the BEars win to think of a really good #5)

BUt St. Louis, 3-1, whoddathunk it? Granted they've beaten shit teams, but it's still cool.

[BotheDMBFan]

I don't consider someone throwing 2 ints a game as having a GREAT year.

It's the system.

[UglyNakedGuy]

It's the system.

:lol

[BotheDMBFan]

Revised list(totally forgot about a certain team)

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Ravens
4. Pats
5. Falcons

[BotheDMBFan]

:lol

http://30607070710.football.nfl.com/scoreboard/live/4/2/4

I dunno if you can see that, but I'm the 51's, he's All Wrestling Talk.

It has nothing todo with what either of us had to say, but still, it should bring mroe laughs.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Hey, like I said, it changes from week to week.

Falcons, yes.

Hawks, no..though still top 5 in the NFC.

Bolts, hell naw.

Anyways, here's the new list for this week(Since I doubt Philly will do anything to just completly wow me)

(In order)

1. Colts
2. Bears
3. Pats
4. Falcons
5. Cowgirls(I hate putting them there, but I'm to hyped over the BEars win to think of a really good #5)

BUt St. Louis, 3-1, whoddathunk it? Granted they've beaten shit teams, but it's still cool."

There is no way in hell the Falcons are a top 5 team. They have no QB man, cmon! lol

I agree with your list except for the Cowboys and Falcons...Give me some time and I'll think of my power rankings top 5.

[BotheDMBFan]

Like I said, I changed mine due to forgetting about the Ravens.

[UglyNakedGuy]

http://30607070710.football.nfl.com/scoreboard/live/4/2/4

I dunno if you can see that, but I'm the 51's, he's All Wrestling Talk.

It has nothing todo with what either of us had to say, but still, it should bring mroe laughs.

No cause I'm not logged into that site.

You can't blame a QBs ints on the system though that's ridic. Espec since Warner has thrown alot of INTs sicne then as well out of Martz system.

[BotheDMBFan]

It was a joke.

[BotheDMBFan]

No cause I'm not logged into that site.



The score was 51's-137 AWT- 24.

I literally could have beaten them just starting Marc Bulger.

[UglyNakedGuy]

The score was 51's-137 AWT- 24.

I literally could have beaten them just starting Marc Bulger.


:lol

That's awesome.


Someone in my league actually picked up Vick....We have had 10 and 8 team leagues.. We used to have 10, but 2 are out now since they didnt pay attention, and Vick has always been a FA in our leagues cause he just flat out sucks, but he picked him up and PLAYED HIM INSTEAD OF BULGER THIS WEEK! lol I don't know how you can make that decision....That being said, he's getting killed.

[BotheDMBFan]

I think Vick, if converted to a WR, could be fucking awesome.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I think Vick, if converted to a WR, could be fucking awesome.

I don't.

I think he would be great at returning kicks and punts though...He's too much of a dumbass to run good routes or anything...

[BotheDMBFan]

He's a pretty smart guy actually.

I also say he's the most overrated offensive player in the leauge.

Ray Lewis being the most overrated defensive player in the leauge.
I can't yet decide on who's more overrated.

[UglyNakedGuy]

He's a pretty smart guy actually.

I also say he's the most overrated offensive player in the leauge.

Ray Lewis being the most overrated defensive player in the leauge.
I can't yet decide on who's more overrated.

:ugh

[UglyNakedGuy]

He's a pretty smart guy actually.

I also say he's the most overrated offensive player in the leauge.

Ray Lewis being the most overrated defensive player in the leauge.
I can't yet decide on who's more overrated.

Vick doesn't have football smarts. He is the worst QB at reading defenses and picking up what the defense is doing.

[BotheDMBFan]

Oh yeah, he's a very good player, but nowhere near as great as everyone says.

[dmbmuskie]

Ray Lewis is the most overrated player in the league. He made his name in the league playing behind 700 pounds of defensive tackles in their prime, and when they left his play slipped tremendously. He was awful in the middle of a 3-4, so he bitched and moaned until they went back to the 4-3 and made them draft big guys to play in front of him. When you look at what Urlacher does without the beef in front of him or what Farrior does taking on Centers and Guards in the 3-4 it makes Lewis seem just okay in my book. The guy I compare him to the most is Mike Peterson who also benefits from playing with giants in front of him.

I'd never say that to his face though.

[dmbmuskie]

1. Chicago
2. New Engaland
3. Carolina
4. Baltimore
5. Atlanta

[baloneybandit21]

my cowboys will be number one at end of season, hell yes

[BotheDMBFan]

1. Chicago
2. New Engaland
3. Carolina
4. Baltimore
5. Atlanta

Where are the Colts?

Carolina? PLEASE.

[dmbmuskie]

I haven't been that impressed with the Colts. I'd probably put them next.

As for the Panthers, I knew people would hate that I had them ranked, but it's just a stupid opinion anyways. They're an outstanding team no matter what their record is.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Ray Lewis is the most overrated player in the league. He made his name in the league playing behind 700 pounds of defensive tackles in their prime, and when they left his play slipped tremendously. He was awful in the middle of a 3-4, so he bitched and moaned until they went back to the 4-3 and made them draft big guys to play in front of him. When you look at what Urlacher does without the beef in front of him or what Farrior does taking on Centers and Guards in the 3-4 it makes Lewis seem just okay in my book. The guy I compare him to the most is Mike Peterson who also benefits from playing with giants in front of him.

I'd never say that to his face though.

Farrior is good, but not as good as Lewis, I can't believe you just compared the two.. Lewis is one of the top 5 MLB in the NFL, no matter what you say.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I haven't been that impressed with the Colts. I'd probably put them next.

As for the Panthers, I knew people would hate that I had them ranked, but it's just a stupid opinion anyways. They're an outstanding team no matter what their record is.

I agree with your list except for Atl...Carolina is a top 5 team...They have started the same way they did last year...In a few weeks, all these people will be on that bandwagon...People here including bo base things off of one week performances. Carolina is one of the top 5 teams in the NFL...They are easily one of the 2 best teams in the NFC.

[UglyNakedGuy]

And I agree about the Colts, they have no running game, and their defense sucks.

[dmbmuskie]

Farrior is good, but not as good as Lewis, I can't believe you just compared the two.. Lewis is one of the top 5 MLB in the NFL, no matter what you say.

I agree he's a top 5 MLB, but he can not hold Farrior's jock when it comes to playing in the 3-4. Playing inside in the 3-4 is a whole other position really than playing inside in a 4-3.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Everything you're saying is pure speculation.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I agree he's a top 5 MLB, but he can not hold Farrior's jock when it comes to playing in the 3-4. Playing inside in the 3-4 is a whole other position really than playing inside in a 4-3.

3-4 is with 4 LB correct? Sometimes I get them confused...Does the 3-4 mean 3 lineman, 4 LB? Or am I way off?

[Lcsulla]

Yes, my team is officially the worst in the league. Fuckin Raiders! What a waste of my time.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Yes, my team is officially the worst in the league. Fuckin Raiders! What a waste of my time.

Yeah they look pretty bad so far...At least they scored some TDs today though, and Jordan ran the ball pretty well... Do you think Brooks is done? Or will he start again once he is healthy, cause he is awful. I think they should stick with Walters or something.

[dmbmuskie]

3-4 is with 4 LB correct? Sometimes I get them confused...Does the 3-4 mean 3 lineman, 4 LB? Or am I way off?

Yeah, 3-4 is 3 lineman and 4 linebackers. Comparing the two when there is no track record is just speculation, but Farrior out performed Lewis when they were both playing in the same system. If you put Farrior in the Baltimore defense he wouldn't perform like Lewis because he doesn't have the sideline to sideline game in my opinion.

This argument could be had at every position in the front 7. Would you rather have Casey Hampton or Tommy Harris at DT? Would you rather have Dwight Freeney or Richard Seymour at DE? Joey Porter or Derrick Brooks at OLB? It all depends on what system they fit best into and most of the time these guys would be playing different position is the other base defesne.

[Lcsulla]

Yeah they look pretty bad so far...At least they scored some TDs today though, and Jordan ran the ball pretty well... Do you think Brooks is done? Or will he start again once he is healthy, cause he is awful. I think they should stick with Walters or something.

He's awful Brooks, we shoudl have signed George when the chance came up. Not sure who's the best option though. and yeah, they are bad. Can't run, can't pass, can't pass protect, the run d blows, and the secondary gets shredded like carrots. Not exactly a winning formula! If they win more than two games I'll be shocked. You're right though Jordan was solid today and Moss caught a TD but the third was scored by the D so my hope for this offense is almost nil.

[UglyNakedGuy]

He's awful Brooks, we shoudl have signed George when the chance came up. Not sure who's the best option though. and yeah, they are bad. Can't run, can't pass, can't pass protect, the run d blows, and the secondary gets shredded like carrots. Not exactly a winning formula! If they win more than two games I'll be shocked. You're right though Jordan was solid today and Moss caught a TD but the third was scored by the D so my hope for this offense is almost nil.

What would you think if they drafted Quinn next year?

[Lcsulla]

What would you think if they drafted Quinn next year?

I honestly don't follow college too much until draft time. Can't say they've done well in past QB drafts though, Tuiosasopo, Marinovich, etc, etc. Don't think one has been useful since Ken Stabler!

[RJ2kWJ]

my cowboys will be number one at end of season, hell yes

Wait til you come to DC... Watch us play how we did tonight... :D

[seekupig]

Yes, my team is officially the worst in the league. Fuckin Raiders! What a waste of my time.

i can't say the Raiders sucking bothers me....... :D ;)

[BotheDMBFan]

They need to get an O-line or else they're fucking doomed.

[Rob]

He's awful Brooks, we shoudl have signed George when the chance came up. Not sure who's the best option though. and yeah, they are bad. Can't run, can't pass, can't pass protect, the run d blows, and the secondary gets shredded like carrots. Not exactly a winning formula! If they win more than two games I'll be shocked. You're right though Jordan was solid today and Moss caught a TD but the third was scored by the D so my hope for this offense is almost nil.

Testaverde is available and passed a physical with the Pats.

I still think the Pats should spin their #1 from Seattle to Oakland for a WR. It's not like the Raiders need any of them without a QB that can throw.

[dre2142]

Impresses with the Skins performance last night! Go SKins!

[RJ2kWJ]

Impresses with the Skins performance last night! Go SKins!

Almost everything was executed perfectly. The Al Saunders offense started to show some against the Texans then REALLY started to show last night. Gregg needs to work on the Defense a little more but they still looked pretty good last night.

AMAZING GAME!!! :bounce

[UglyNakedGuy]

Testaverde is available and passed a physical with the Pats.

I still think the Pats should spin their #1 from Seattle to Oakland for a WR. It's not like the Raiders need any of them without a QB that can throw.

I don't want Jerry Porter on the Pats.

And Ronald Curry is very injury prone.

[dmbmuskie]

Why not Moss? He's useless out there.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Why not Moss? He's useless out there.

I wouldn't want him either, too much of a whiner.

[dmbmuskie]

I'd make that trade in a minute if I were the Pats. He's the perfect Patriot accquistion too. He's talented and stuck in a losing situation. I'd make it if I were the Raiders too because you save yourself some money, and you can start building around Brady Quinn next year.

[SteelerMan]

I'd make that trade in a minute if I were the Pats. He's the perfect Patriot accquistion too. He's talented and stuck in a losing situation. I'd make it if I were the Raiders too because you save yourself some money, and you can start building around Brady Quinn next year.

No kidding. With Moss, the Pats would be SCARY (although they were pretty scary without him yesterday).

[dmbmuskie]

Hell, we should try to trade for Moss.

[Tiduwho]

My Power Rankings


1. Bears - 3 blowouts, and a come from behind victory on the road after a day of penalties and mistakes. A point differential of nearly 100 points, and it's only been 4 games.

2. Colts - Peyton is just too good to be held down. I love Chad and the Jets, but I mean, come on...they almost lost to a team that won 5 games last year. They also were dominated the first half against the Jags.

3. Ravens - Blah, I still think they are overrated and will disappoint, but you can't argue with 4-0. McNair may not have it anymore, but he still can get the job done.

4. Atlanta - Them or Dallas. I don't know. I think last Monday was a fluke. But then I also think Vick will disappoint as the season goes on.

5. Patriots - Fucking Pats.


Top 3 is easy. 4 and 5 have a mix of 4 or 5 teams.

[UglyNakedGuy]

Colts shouldn't be number two..And the Pats are better than the Falcons easy.

[dmbmuskie]

My Power Rankings


1. Bears - 3 blowouts, and a come from behind victory on the road after a day of penalties and mistakes. A point differential of nearly 100 points, and it's only been 4 games.

2. Colts - Peyton is just too good to be held down. I love Chad and the Jets, but I mean, come on...they almost lost to a team that won 5 games last year. They also were dominated the first half against the Jags.

3. Ravens - Blah, I still think they are overrated and will disappoint, but you can't argue with 4-0. McNair may not have it anymore, but he still can get the job done.

4. Atlanta - Them or Dallas. I don't know. I think last Monday was a fluke. But then I also think Vick will disappoint as the season goes on.

5. Patriots - Fucking Pats.


Top 3 is easy. 4 and 5 have a mix of 4 or 5 teams.

If I had to redo mine I'd probably put the Colts in the Top 5, but they're not the Colts we've seen the last few years. It's still too early to get a good feel on everyone.

[Designer43]

So Miami's going to the Super Bowl right?

:lol

I wish!!! C'mon Culpepper...you can play better than this. The Miami O-line has to shape up, or the Fins aren't going to go .500 this year...

[SteelerMan]

Hell, we should try to trade for Moss.

I would GLADLY give up a first round pick and Santonio Holmes for Moss. Man... Moss AND Hines Ward. Very unrealistic, but it's fun to think about. :D

[UglyNakedGuy]

I guess the new Moss wouldn't bother me much, lately he has seemed to mature a bit and be such a whiney fool.

That would be a scary thought...Moss on the Pats.

[dmbmuskie]

I would GLADLY give up a first round pick and Santonio Holmes for Moss. Man... Moss AND Hines Ward. Very unrealistic, but it's fun to think about. :D

It's really not any less realistic than Keyshawn and Steve Smith.

In theroy Moss would be nice, but he wouldn't get the ball enough to be happy. I don't think he's as bad as some people make him out to be, but playing for a proven winner might not make up for getting 3 catches a game.

I'd love to see him breaking deep though when Ben broke the pocket like Plex used to do.

[UglyNakedGuy]

I would GLADLY give up a first round pick and Santonio Holmes for Moss. Man... Moss AND Hines Ward. Very unrealistic, but it's fun to think about. :D

Y'all made a booboo in picking Holmes instead of Chad Jackson in the first round. Jackson has been nursing a hammy, but he is def better than Holmes.

[UglyNakedGuy]

It's really not any less realistic than Keyshawn and Steve Smith.

In theroy Moss would be nice, but he wouldn't get the ball enough to be happy. I don't think he's as bad as some people make him out to be, but playing for a proven winner might not make up for getting 3 catches a game.

I'd love to see him breaking deep though when Ben broke the pocket like Plex used to do.

Yeah it would...that would be more than he's getting right now....

[UNC41]

:lol

I wish!!! C'mon Culpepper...you can play better than this. The Miami O-line has to shape up, or the Fins aren't going to go .500 this year...

Culpepper isn't nearly as big of a problem as the offensive line is. He hasn't played well so far, but the line has been absolutely horrid. They aren't good enough to even establish a running game and then once the Dolphins become one-dimensional teams are still getting heavy pressure on Culpepper with rushing four and dropping seven against the pass. I do, however, think it's time to give Culpepper a break and make sure his knee is fully healthy. Let Harrington start a game or two because this team really needs something to jump start it.

[UNC41]

Y'all made a booboo in picking Holmes instead of Chad Jackson in the first round. Jackson has been nursing a hammy, but he is def better than Holmes.

It's way too early to judge receivers in the first year. I don't think you can make an accurate call on that, unless a receiver is having a Moss-like impact his rookie year, for a minimum of two years. More likely three.

[SteelerMan]

Y'all made a booboo in picking Holmes instead of Chad Jackson in the first round. Jackson has been nursing a hammy, but he is def better than Holmes.

It's way too early to tell who will be better in the long run, but as of now, I think you're right.

[Tiduwho]

Harrington start a game or two because this team really needs something to jump start it.

I've been waiting for the day that fans again started cheering "Jo-ey! Jo-ey!"


You'd immediately regret it if you put him in. Oh man, those were the DAYS!

[UglyNakedGuy]

It's way too early to judge receivers in the first year. I don't think you can make an accurate call on that, unless a receiver is having a Moss-like impact his rookie year, for a minimum of two years. More likely three.

Well considering Jackson was considered the best reciever out of the draft last year, before the draft. And I have seen both play in the NFL so far, and I think it's accurate to say LIKE I SAID, at this point in the NFL Jackson is better than Holmes.

[dmbmuskie]

I still don't know how I feel about the Holmes pick. I thought he was the best reciever on the board, while Jackson was the best athlete at the position. I'd always go with the guy with production rather than 40 times.

It's all such a crap shoot anyways. The next to last pick in the draft has been the best rookie receiver so far followed by the kid from Green Bay.

[UNC41]

Well considering Jackson was considered the best reciever out of the draft last year, before the draft. And I have seen both play in the NFL so far, and I think it's accurate to say LIKE I SAID, at this point in the NFL Jackson is better than Holmes.

You said the Steelers made a "booboo" in picking Holmes over Jackson. I said it's far too early to tell. This is true, even though Jackson has looked better over four NFL games. I didn't dispute that last notion. One thing you do have wrong, however, is that Jackson was the consensus No. 1 WR in the draft. I saw many people who had them each as the top receiver in a very down year for receivers.

[dmbmuskie]

You said the Steelers made a "booboo" in picking Holmes over Jackson. I said it's far too early to tell. This is true, even though Jackson has looked better over four NFL games. I didn't dispute that last notion. One thing you do have wrong, however, is that Jackson was the consensus No. 1 WR in the draft. I saw many people who had them each as the top receiver in a very down year for receivers.

Some people had Moss at number 1 as well.

If these guys came out this year they wouldn't even be considered in the first round.

The Steelers wanted Whitnerbut the Billls took him about 15 spots higher than anyone thought he would go. He was rookie of the month though, so it seems like a good pick

[Trippin4136]

Y'all made a booboo in picking Holmes instead of Chad Jackson in the first round. Jackson has been nursing a hammy, but he is def better than Holmes.

for the guy who says judging a team's season off 2 or 3 weeks is inaccurate, how can base a guy's career of 4 weeks into his rookie season?

[thebigv]

Holmes is also in a completely different situation than Jackson. Tom Brady throwing the ball? Or Spleen-less Roethlisberger/Batch? NE runs more 3-4 wide sets than the Steelers. I am still surprised that the Steelers didn't go for more size with their WR. Both Wilson and Ward are listed under 6', having a 6'5" project would seem to be a more viable pick than what Holmes has brought to the table. But, there's also a reason I'm not involved in the NFL because if there's one thing the Steelers do well it's the draft. In fact, the AFC North (recently) has been doing pretty damn well with their draft.

[UglyNakedGuy]

You said the Steelers made a "booboo" in picking Holmes over Jackson. I said it's far too early to tell. This is true, even though Jackson has looked better over four NFL games. I didn't dispute that last notion. One thing you do have wrong, however, is that Jackson was the consensus No. 1 WR in the draft. I saw many people who had them each as the top receiver in a very down year for receivers.

He was the concensus number one reciever in the draft. It was suprising to most that the Pats were able to land him in the second round. More people though the was the better, than people thought Holmes was.

[UglyNakedGuy]

for the guy who says judging a team's season off 2 or 3 weeks is inaccurate, how can base a guy's career of 4 weeks into his rookie season?

Did you read where I said 'so far'. And I based my opinion on their college careers, I just think that Jackson is the more talented reciever.


Saying that is COMPLETELY different than disagreeing with people who say the Falcons are a championship team after week 2, so don't give me that shit.

EDIT: And speaking of nitpicking posts....

[UglyNakedGuy]

Some people had Moss at number 1 as well.

If these guys came out this year they wouldn't even be considered in the first round.

The Steelers wanted Whitnerbut the Billls took him about 15 spots higher than anyone thought he would go. He was rookie of the month though, so it seems like a good pick

I'd probably agree with that. And I can not WAIT to see where Calvin Johnson ends up. That man is a phenom, I have been fortunate enough to see him play a lot here in GA, and he is very good. I only pray he could fall the end of the first round so the Pats could grab him! lol

[UNC41]

He was the concensus number one reciever in the draft. It was suprising to most that the Pats were able to land him in the second round. More people though the was the better, than people thought Holmes was.

Concensus would mean that everyone thought Jackson was the better receiver. This wasn't the case. From what I read it was really close on who the best receiver was in the draft.

[dmbmuskie]

He was the concensus number one reciever in the draft. It was suprising to most that the Pats were able to land him in the second round. More people though the was the better, than people thought Holmes was.

It's all just opinions though. I was thrilled when we landed Holmes. I was shocked either of them were there when we traded up to get him.

[dmbmuskie]

I'd probably agree with that. And I can not WAIT to see where Calvin Johnson ends up. That man is a phenom, I have been fortunate enough to see him play a lot here in GA, and he is very good. I only pray he could fall the end of the first round so the Pats could grab him! lol

He'll be off the board really early. I have to imagine Quinn, Peterson, and Johnson will be considered for the first pick depending on what your team needs. If it's the Titans it'll be Johnson. The Raiders would probably draft Quinn.

[Trippin4136]

I was ticked when the Giants traded down when they had Holmes in their lap. There hasn't been any sign of Sinorice Moss so far which bothers me even more about the whole situation.

[dmbmuskie]

I was ticked when the Giants traded down when they had Holmes in their lap. There hasn't been any sign of Sinorice Moss so far which bothers me even more about the whole situation.

We'll both agree that Holmes was the best reciever available. I'm still waiting on that guy to show up in Pittsburgh.

Isn't Moss hurt?

[Trippin4136]

I don't know if Moss is hurt or not. I remember he was nursing a leg injury in training camp, but still, it's been pretty disappointing so far.