The Dallas Cowboys Thread

[crashintonickdm]

Crayton = teh suck

But yeah you can't deny they will have a potent passing attack. Add Witten to that. Whoa.

I just hope they don't forget about Marion "The Barbarian" cuz he has been tearing it up in the league I own him in this year.
I personally think they will use him even more in the next couple weeks at least until Johnson gets used to being a starter and everyone gets acclimated to Williams in the offense and vice versa.

we will be seeing a ton of marion barber the next 3 weeks to open up play action. i think we're gonna be okay now. we'll just outscore everyone.

[devilandthelord]

I wonder what we traded away .. I hope it wasn't too much.

The rights to Drew Bledsoe.

[41ravens]

I wonder what we traded away .. I hope it wasn't too much.

i heard it was multiple draft picks, but not a first-rounder. and i think we had an extra third rounder, plus the fifth we just got from the titans cause of pacman. so i'm thinking we didn't sell the farm to get him. we'll see, though.

[Mario82288]

man what great news during one of the worst 2 days of being a cowboy fan for me.

LOL .. apparently you weren't around when Michael Irvin was doing cocaine and hookers ... LOL

[crashintonickdm]

at first it was reported we only traded a 1st rounder.

but we gave up 2 2nd rounders. even better.

[crashintonickdm]

LOL .. apparently you weren't around when Michael Irvin was doing cocaine and hookers ... LOL

yeah, i was. but we werent losing and choking in the playoffs then.

[devilandthelord]

Hey did you guys ever hear about the time when Da Bears traded for Michael Irvin?

[william.hosking]

at first it was reported we only traded a 1st rounder.

but we gave up 2 2nd rounders. even better.

Where is this report? I can't find anything.

[crashintonickdm]

Where is this report? I can't find anything.

i got it off of cowboys-forum.com.

i think they got it from ESPN radio in dallas.

[william.hosking]

i got it off of cowboys-forum.com.

i think they got it from ESPN radio in dallas.

So what did we get for Roy Williams? Two 2008 2nd rounders? Or 2nd rounders in different years?

[RJ2kWJ]

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First, Third, and Sixth.

[TMoore4075]

espn.com has the story. Says Cowboys are trying to workout a long term deal with Roy before the trade is complete.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3643295

[Mario82288]

off of dallascowboys.com ... The Lions will receive the Cowboys' 2009 first-round pick, a third-round pick and sixth-round pick. The Cowboys get Detroit's 2009 seventh-round pick in the Williams trade

[devilandthelord]

Well look on the bright side Lions fans, you just got some more draft picks, and you don't have Matt Millen calling the shots anymore.
Thats a win for you. Not like having Williams was gonna make a difference this year anyway.

[41ravens]

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First, Third, and Sixth.

beat me to it. in return, we get roy and a 7th. i'm happy. i'll give up a first for a player like that. this is good news. so stoked right now.

[crashintonickdm]

wow. was a 1st 3rd and 6th.

the dude got his info wrong. you guys got a good deal. and now we're trying to resign him for a long time. this is going to be great. he can take over for TO once his time is done.

[TMoore4075]

Well look on the bright side Lions fans, you just got some more draft picks, and you don't have Matt Millen calling the shots anymore.
Thats a win for you. Not like having Williams was gonna make a difference this year anyway.

oh I agree totally. This is great news. They get picks, and it seems like a #1 maybe which would be great, plus won't be dumb and franchise Williams so they have money to spend elsewhere. If Johnson turns into the player he can be they will be ok at WR. Having two big guns wouldn't matter if you have massive holes everywhere else.

[william.hosking]

Well look on the bright side Lions fans, you just got some more draft picks, and you don't have Matt Millen calling the shots anymore.
Thats a win for you. Not like having Williams was gonna make a difference this year anyway.

I am happy as hell right now, you don't even know.

Roy was gone at the end of the season anyway, unless the Lions franchised him (which I would have opposed). I love getting antoher 1st rounder, and third and sixth for Roy and a seventh.

And not having that cum-stain Millen drafting makes me even happier!!

[RJ2kWJ]

beat me to it. in return, we get roy and a 7th. i'm happy. i'll give up a first for a player like that. this is good news. so stoked right now.

Good move for you all. You better hope TO takes this well though.

I guess my positive is it makes the Lions game easier for us? So instead of playing a JV college squad, we get a high school squad. Sounds good. :lol

[Mario82288]

beat me to it. in return, we get roy and a 7th. i'm happy. i'll give up a first for a player like that. this is good news. so stoked right now.

I'm stoked too. Finally some good news!

[bigeyefish22]

wow. was a 1st 3rd and 6th.

the dude got his info wrong. you guys got a good deal. and now we're trying to resign him for a long time. this is going to be great. he can take over for TO once his time is done.

Wait, you know we're talking about Roy Williams from Detroit, right? Just wanted to make sure....

[Mario82288]

so .. wait.... We have two players named Roy Williams .. what will be on their jerseys? Roy Williams A and Roy Williams B ?

[william.hosking]

Seriously, I know the Lions really had no other choice, but the Cowboys just got one hell of a player. He's a drop machine, but he suffers from TO syndrome. If he's happy, he could be borderline legendary.

The Boys will be even more fun to watch now.

[CUTiger41]

I heard 2nd rounder in 2009 and 2010 on ESPN radio. Did this change?

[RJ2kWJ]

I heard 2nd rounder in 2009 and 2010 on ESPN radio. Did this change?

Yes that was the original news. Its a 1st, 3rd, and 6th.

[william.hosking]

I heard 2nd rounder in 2009 and 2010 on ESPN radio. Did this change?

Yeah.

Lions get: 2009 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks

Cowboys get: Roy Williams and 2009 7th round pick

[devilandthelord]

Ahem!
Did anyone hear when the Bears tried to trade for Michael Irvin!?!

[CUTiger41]

Yes that was the original news. Its a 1st, 3rd, and 6th.
Ah, it changed from when I got out of my car and to the computer...lol.

[TMoore4075]

Yeah.

Lions get: 2009 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks

Cowboys get: Roy Williams and 2009 7th round pick

I am very happy with that. Assuming the new GM can draft well that is. But you never know with this franchise.

[william.hosking]

I am very happy with that. Assuming the new GM can draft well that is. But you never know with this franchise.

True. I really like the move too. Stockpile picks and lure in a good GM who can make something of those picks.


Edit: The Cowboys also got a potentially great player, too. Win/win, IMO.

[41ravens]

this puts so much more pressure on us to succeed now. gotta love it.

[41ravens]

so .. wait.... We have two players named Roy Williams .. what will be on their jerseys? Roy Williams A and Roy Williams B ?

i would be a fan of "good roy" and "bad roy".

[gocubsgo3822]

THi is too funny that yall have two Roy Williams.... Funny.. Good luck

[Mario82288]

i would be a fan of "good roy" and "bad roy".

Which is which? LOL

[bigeyefish22]

Ahem!
Did anyone hear when the Bears tried to trade for Michael Irvin!?!

No. wha happen?

[gocubsgo3822]

Pacman got suspended again... That is fucking horse shit .. I really hate Goodell sometime

[devilandthelord]

No. wha happen?

Well, the Bears figured they already had a "Refrigerator" so they thought they'd go out and get a Coke Machine!

Haaaaaayyyyyooooooo!!!!!
:monkey

[william.hosking]

Pacman got suspended again... That is fucking horse shit .. I really hate Goodell sometime

Please! You can't possibly be defending that assclown Pacman Jones, can you?

He puts himself in horrible situations. He can't help it. He wont' change.

[TMoore4075]

True. I really like the move too. Stockpile picks and lure in a good GM who can make something of those picks.


Edit: The Cowboys also got a potentially great player, too. Win/win, IMO.

Yeah if Roy is happy he plays well. He's been kinda pissy recently. Can't blame him all that much but still I was hoping they would trade him. Better than letting him walk for nothing.

[gocubsgo3822]

i do defend Pacman i think he gets an unfair rap and really dont think he ever did anything wrong.. Who doesnt bring 81,000 in ones to a strip club????

[devilandthelord]

i do defend Pacman i think he gets an unfair rap and really dont think he ever did anything wrong.. Who doesnt bring 81,000 in ones to a strip club????

Personally, I love to make it rain.

[gocubsgo3822]

i wish make it rain would come on whenever i walk throug a door

[devilandthelord]

i wish make it rain would come on whenever i walk throug a door

Some would say a black cloud follows you.

[gocubsgo3822]

some would say a black cloud follows you... But seriously.... Good pickup by the boys to get Roy Williams...

no more hojacking

[devilandthelord]

Nobody liked my Michael Irvin joke?

C'mon that's gold. :(

[foosball]

some would say a black cloud follows you... But seriously.... Good pickup by the boys to get Roy Williams...


Hope he can play defense. Sweet way to mortgage the future. Nice for Dallas to finally return the draft pick love to a lower tiered team. Anyone remember the Herschel Walker trade? Not as many picks, and an incompetent Detroit franchise can clearly mess this up. However, great move by Detroit. Williams is a free agent at season's end, and will want truckloads of dough.
Why does Dallas make this trade? They aleady have strength in the receiving game. Crayton and Austin are young. They along with Witten can pick up the slack when T.O. is finished.
Two quick questions:
1) Can Williams play CB? Without Pacman, this defense is hosed. Never thought I'd say that.
2) How will T.O. react to another superstar WR in the fold? His history sure would have me a bit worried:)

BTW: I am a completely jaded Chiefs fan, who wishes everyone as much misery in sports, as I have.

[gocubsgo3822]

yea i agree with the post above Big D's defense is atrocious

[Dancing Ants]

Hope he can play defense. Sweet way to mortgage the future. Nice for Dallas to finally return the draft pick love to a lower tiered team. Anyone remember the Herschel Walker trade? Not as many picks, and an incompetent Detroit franchise can clearly mess this up. However, great move by Detroit. Williams is a free agent at season's end, and will want truckloads of dough.
Why does Dallas make this trade? They aleady have strength in the receiving game. Crayton and Austin are young. They along with Witten can pick up the slack when T.O. is finished.
Two quick questions:
1) Can Williams play CB? Without Pacman, this defense is hosed. Never thought I'd say that.
2) How will T.O. react to another superstar WR in the fold? His history sure would have me a bit worried:)

BTW: I am a completely jaded Chiefs fan, who wishes everyone as much misery in sports, as I have.

pacman hasn't played *that* well this year...this defense should be about as good as last year's..probably better seeing as how Jenkins and Scandrick are definite improvements over Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves.

[foosball]

pacman hasn't played *that* well this year...this defense should be about as good as last year's..probably better seeing as how Jenkins and Scandrick are definite improvements over Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves.

He was your starting CB....
Jenkins WILL be solid. However, he is still young, and I have seen him toasted a few times. Agreed, should be a better secondary, but not immediately. The loss of Jones hurts, no doubt. Plus, the dicey health of Newman will always be a concern.

[Mario82288]

Nobody liked my Michael Irvin joke?

C'mon that's gold. :(

it's tired .. lol

[dmbmuskie]

What an awful trade. If you told me pedning FA WR was traded for that much I would have guessed that Daniel Snyder was involved.

Of all the guys who were rumored to be available you guys picked up the worst by a mile. He's never been better than 37th in DVOA. I'm still in shock.

[41ravens]

ah, should've figured you'd throw out the old "dvoa" argument. i'm not going to pretend to know anything about that stuff, but i would have to assume that being on a better team with a better offense would have to help those numbers, no?

[Dancing Ants]

it will. he's a solid receiver. it's not his fault he got drafted by one of the top 3 worst teams in the league for the past 8 years. it's actually a pretty good trade...you look at it like Roy Williams is your first round draft pick, which I'd say is a pretty good pick. They have 8 picks after giving up these three for Williams, so it's not like they sold their draft or anything. it's a very well done trade.

[Dancing Ants]

He was your starting CB....
Jenkins WILL be solid. However, he is still young, and I have seen him toasted a few times. Agreed, should be a better secondary, but not immediately. The loss of Jones hurts, no doubt. Plus, the dicey health of Newman will always be a concern.

pac was the third CB on the team...he was only the starter cause newman has been out. he was playing pretty OK, but i don't think it's gonna kill that secondary...just put them back to where they were last year while newman was out, except maybe a bit better.

[dmbmuskie]

ah, should've figured you'd throw out the old "dvoa" argument. i'm not going to pretend to know anything about that stuff, but i would have to assume that being on a better team with a better offense would have to help those numbers, no?

In theory that filters that out, but there is a relationship between good sabermetric stats and good QB play. Kitna has been really bad, so he should improve playing with Romo if and when he is healthy. I think if you removed the name from the equation Cowboys fans would be irate.

Would you agree that TJ would have made much more sense?

[41ravens]

In theory that filters that out, but there is a relationship between good sabermetric stats and good QB play. Kitna has been really bad, so he should improve playing with Romo if and when he is healthy. I think if you removed the name from the equation Cowboys fans would be irate.

Would you agree that TJ would have made much more sense?

i don't know about made more sense, but we most definitely could've got him at a cheaper price. but he's got some years on williams and i don't think he has the potential to be a #1, whereas i think roy can. the biggest part of this deal was finding someone to take over when TO leaves, and i think roy is a better fit than tj.

or this could be joey galloway all over again. only time will tell.

[Dancing Ants]

TJ might've, but whatever. the deal is done. and it's not a bad deal. they didn't give up the bank for the guy. and say they end up going like 6-10 or 7-9...they have 8 picks in the draft and could look at moving up to get Michael Crabtree in next year's draft. It's a genius trade, the more you look at it.

[Dancing Ants]

i don't know about made more sense, but we most definitely could've got him at a cheaper price. but he's got some years on williams and i don't think he has the potential to be a #1, whereas i think roy can. the biggest part of this deal was finding someone to take over when TO leaves, and i think roy is a better fit than tj.

or this could be joey galloway all over again. only time will tell.

it's not a bad trade dude. don't believe the hype.

[41ravens]

it's not a bad trade dude. don't believe the hype.

no, i know. i'm excited about it.

[Dancing Ants]

no, i know. i'm excited about it.

oh me too. i can't wait til romo gets healthy. i think the guy is gonna rejuvenate the whole team.

[devilandthelord]

The more I thought about it, I think it's actually a better trade for the Lions.
As shocking as that is, that the Lions actually made a good decision.
Getting another 1st and 3rd for next year is awesome for them.
And for the 'boys, Roy Williams doesn't get them that much closer to winning the Super Bowl IMO.

[41ravens]

oh me too. i can't wait til romo gets healthy. i think the guy is gonna rejuvenate the whole team.

i think so, too. and i think sitting and watching for 3 weeks will hopefully be the kick in the ass romo needs.

[jaking1185]

That was way too much to give up for Williams, but they needed to make a positive move, and maybe it means TO is out the door after the season.

[Dancing Ants]

And for the 'boys, Roy Williams doesn't get them that much closer to winning the Super Bowl IMO.

pass what you're smokin.

the guy is better than pat crayton, he's gonna free up TO and TO is gonna free him up. i don't see how they don't improve.

[Dancing Ants]

That was way too much to give up for Williams, but they needed to make a positive move, and maybe it means TO is out the door after the season.

it wasn't a big give away to get him. read my previous posts. it was a great trade.

[Mario82288]

Saw this on nfl.com

"This is interesting … Had Adam Jones not been suspended minutes earlier, then the Cowboys would not have had the sixth round pick that they included in the Roy Williams deal. That pick had been part of the Jones trade, but was cancelled as a result of Adam Jones’ second suspension."

[41ravens]

That was way too much to give up for Williams, but they needed to make a positive move, and maybe it means TO is out the door after the season.

i think you're wrong on both counts.

[41ravens]

Saw this on nfl.com

"This is interesting … Had Adam Jones not been suspended minutes earlier, then the Cowboys would not have had the sixth round pick that they included in the Roy Williams deal. That pick had been part of the Jones trade, but was cancelled as a result of Adam Jones’ second suspension."

exactly. was my first thought when i saw the details of the deal. plus, we get a fifth back from them as well. so thanks, pacman, for sucking at life!

[jaking1185]

i think you're wrong on both counts.

We will see.

[FSUant212]

Do you honestly believe that Brad Johnson has the arm to get the ball to either TO or Roy? Its all up to Marion Barber and Felix Jones, for at least the next 2-4 weeks.

[devilandthelord]

Do you honestly believe that Brad Johnson has the arm to get the ball to either TO or Roy? Its all up to Marion Barber and Felix Jones, for at least the next 2-4 weeks.

Felix Jones will actually miss the next 2-4 weeks.
You're gonna see a shitload of Marion III.

[41ravens]

Do you honestly believe that Brad Johnson has the arm to get the ball to either TO or Roy? Its all up to Marion Barber and Felix Jones, for at least the next 2-4 weeks.

probably not 20+ yards down the field. but who says they're going to try and air it out with brad?

[SoRight24]

So the Cowboys trade for Roy Williams.

And the Skins sign Alexander.

A great move for the Boys, horrible one for the Skins. :lol

[crashintonickdm]

roy sounds so excited to be here and has already talked to TO who in fact called roy to welcome him.

"TO is the #1, im gonna be the #2 or #3 or whatever i need to be to help this team get back to the super bowl. defenses wont know what to do once everyone is healthy"

"this is a bigger day for me than when i got my first bike"

he also got a new contract til 2013. and in fact this deal works out great. we started the day with 10 draft picks for next years draft. we give up a 1st, 3rd and 6th and get roy and a 7th, plus the 3rd and 5th back from the titans because pacman failed. so really, we didnt lose anything. we had 2 1st rounders for next year. excellent excellent excellent. great job, jerry! this team once fully healthy needs to stop underachieving, and put these other teams in the NFC east away. and if injuries do hold us back, god help the league next year. GO COWBOYS !#%#^&^&^$^

[RJ2kWJ]

So the Cowboys trade for Roy Williams.

And the Skins sign Alexander.

A great move for the Boys, horrible one for the Skins. :lol

We didnt trade anyone. Just paying him vet minimum. I wouldn't even call it a "move". Plus I highly doubt he sees the field unless something happens to C-Po. He is simply there until Betts gets better in a couple weeks.

[crashintonickdm]

What an awful trade. If you told me pedning FA WR was traded for that much I would have guessed that Daniel Snyder was involved.

Of all the guys who were rumored to be available you guys picked up the worst by a mile. He's never been better than 37th in DVOA. I'm still in shock.

patrick crayton was not doing well this season, and is clearly a slot reciever. TO has been double covered all year long and hastn seen anything. thus the offense is stagnet. now the defense is forced to focus on TO and NOW roy williams. the offfense is going to explode and will be the most feared once we get everyone healthy. read above about what i say. in the end, we didnt give too much because we still got stuff back from the titans.

chad and TJ werent getting traded. so they dont count. whos left? nobody. roy is 26 years old and has been to 1 pro bowl and put up decent numbers on a team that has never had a good QB (harrington and kitna) and had absolutely no legitimate running game whatsoever)
jerry jones wants to win now, and he is the biggest risk taker in the NFL. say what you want, but he gambles and so far in his 20 year career, he has done a fairly good job. he had a dynasty with 3 super bowl wins.

so if you stop and think about it, it does make sense. it just doesnt to you, or to most football fans because in the end, its the dallas cowboys, and people just loveto trash talk anything about them without being somewhat intelligent.

[Mario82288]

.. we started the day with 10 draft picks for next years draft. we give up a 1st, 3rd and 6th and get roy and a 7th, plus the 3rd and 5th back from the titans because pacman failed. so really, we didnt lose anything. we had 2 1st rounders for next year. excellent excellent excellent. great job, jerry! this team once fully healthy needs to stop underachieving, and put these other teams in the NFC east away. and if injuries do hold us back, god help the league next year. GO COWBOYS !#%#^&^&^$^

We had 2 first round picks for next year? I didn't see anything about that. How did we get the extra 1st round pick?

[41ravens]

the more i think about it, the more i'm thinking tony will be back for the giants' game. i think brad starts the next two, but tony will find a way to play in 3 weeks. with the bye following the game, i think he'll play through the pain.

[Mario82288]

I agree .. he will do everything possible to be back. The game is too huge. He didn't need surgery .. he'll be ready to go.

[Dancing Ants]

We had 2 first round picks for next year? I didn't see anything about that. How did we get the extra 1st round pick?

we don't have two firsts next year. here's what we have:

1st - 0
2nd - ours
3rd - cleveland's
4th - ours, detroit's (gotten during last year's draft
5th - ours
6th - miami's
7th - detroit's, ours

we'll also get compensatory picks, probably in the 4th and 5th round, for Julius Jones and Jacques Reeves. sitting very pretty next year. it may be the best trade the cowboys have pulled off since the great minnesota train robbery. they essentially gave up a 1st for Roy Williams. and what receiver that you could get in the cowboys' 1st pick is gonna be better than Williams next year? maybe michael crabtree, but he'll be a top 5 pick easily.

[MDrums54]

this is great

TO is already bitching he doesnt get the ball enough (17 times a game) and now there is another top tier receiver lining up on the other side of the offense? Great move Jerry. Now it will be literally impossible for Romo to keep everyone happy. One of the two will blow up, and there will be chaos in the locker room. Moreover, now the Cowfags are screwed for this years draft, one that could have potentially set them up for years and years of high levels of success.

...oh yea. lets not forget what happened to the best passing offense literally ever last year when their QB didnt have any time to throw the ball; they lost.

Great job Dallas. Get ready for another let down in the playoffs.

[Dancing Ants]

this is great

TO is already bitching he doesnt get the ball enough (17 times a game) and now there is another top tier receiver lining up on the other side of the offense? Great move Jerry. Now it will be literally impossible for Romo to keep everyone happy. One of the two will blow up, and there will be chaos in the locker room. Moreover, now the Cowfags are screwed for this years draft.

...oh yea. lets not forget what happened to the best passing offense literally ever last year when their QB didnt have any time to throw the ball; they lost.

Great job Dallas. Get ready for another let down in the playoffs.

well, you're at least wrong about this year's draft.

[Mario82288]

Our DB's are getting a little better. Both Patrick Watkins and Roy Williams (the safety) practiced today and should play on Sunday. A little bit of good news for our injury riddled secondary.

Jenkins has been named the starter in place of Newman.

[crashintonickdm]

this is great

TO is already bitching he doesnt get the ball enough (17 times a game) and now there is another top tier receiver lining up on the other side of the offense? Great move Jerry. Now it will be literally impossible for Romo to keep everyone happy. One of the two will blow up, and there will be chaos in the locker room. Moreover, now the Cowfags are screwed for this years draft, one that could have potentially set them up for years and years of high levels of success.

...oh yea. lets not forget what happened to the best passing offense literally ever last year when their QB didnt have any time to throw the ball; they lost.

Great job Dallas. Get ready for another let down in the playoffs.

TO was the first to call roy williams and welcome him to dallas though. roy was in detriot before, why would anyone be happy there? we also still have a shitload of picks for next years draft.

seriously, how bout you be a normal football fan and call things with some objectivity instead of being a typical eagles/giants homer and tlaking out of your ass. you're as much of an idiot as most of the folks on ESPN who dedicated the whole morning and afternnoon with bashing the cowboys.

[RJ2kWJ]

Top 11 gaffes in Jerry Jones era...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=8678710#sport=NFL&photo=8676954

[RJ2kWJ]

Also... Romo willing to play???

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3645737

[Mario82288]

I think Romo should rest against the Rams but still be dressed just in case he is needed. If he can take a week off, he can be ready for Tampa in two weeks.

[sully51]

Roy Williams is not the type of guy to cause drama about not getting the ball enough. He's a great player, I've been watching him since he was at UT and I'm really excited about this trade. Glad to see he's excited to come back to Texas too.
And yep apparently Romo said he can play, I can see him starting but coming out around half if we're taking care of business against the Rams, as we should

[41ravens]

romo's a badass.

[Dancing Ants]

i'm more worried about about romo's head than anything.

[41ravens]

i'm more worried about about romo's head than anything.

:lol

[Dancing Ants]

seriously..that dude just looks depressed always man.

[crashintonickdm]

romo wants to play! let him play!!!!!!! hes the fucking shit.

[flameboy78221]

Fuck the Cowboys and Fuck Jake!
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[crashintonickdm]

Fuck the Cowboys and Fuck Jake!
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fuck you. kill yourself.

[sully51]

^+1
Jesus wtf happened to this place

[crashintonickdm]

^+1
Jesus wtf happened to this place

alot of bitter people over at **************.

by bitter, i mean sad, pathetic, sorry asses.

[41ravens]

tony practiced a little bit today and still insists on starting on sunday. i have two thoughts on this:

1. rest. take a game off. let it heal a bit and come back for tampa.
2. play through the pain. the team will respect you for it and rally behind their leader.

can't decide which i'd prefer. i guess only he knows how bad it hurts. i just really don't want to risk further injury. not to discredit them, it is the rams, and for christ's sake, we should be able to handle them with or without tony.

[foosball]

not to discredit them, it is the rams, and for christ's sake, we should be able to handle them with or without tony.

Says Redskins Fan. Cough. Cough.

[Mario82288]

tony practiced a little bit today and still insists on starting on sunday. i have two thoughts on this:

1. rest. take a game off. let it heal a bit and come back for tampa.
2. play through the pain. the team will respect you for it and rally behind their leader.

can't decide which i'd prefer. i guess only he knows how bad it hurts. i just really don't want to risk further injury. not to discredit them, it is the rams, and for christ's sake, we should be able to handle them with or without tony.

Kinda hate to say it, cuz I'd like to see him play but option 1 looks like the safest bet.

[41ravens]

i'd like to see him play, too. but watching some of that footage from his throwing session yesterday lead me to believe his strength isn't all there. i'm thinking brad starts, but tony suits up just in case.

[Mario82288]

So, in my fantasy league .. I have Romo, Brad Johnson and Chad Pennington (vs. Baltimore) .. who would you start?

The sucky thing is, I have to make my decision by 10pm Saturday night.

[HoldemHart]

So, in my fantasy league .. I have Romo, Brad Johnson and Chad Pennington (vs. Baltimore) .. who would you start?

The sucky thing is, I have to make my decision by 10pm Saturday night.

Damn that's a brutal decision. There are some serious pros and cons to all your choices, I guess this is where champions are made.

Why do you have to make the decision so early? That sucks considering all the last minute scratch's in the NFL.

P.S. Love the title

[Mario82288]

Damn that's a brutal decision. There are some serious pros and cons to all your choices, I guess this is where champions are made.

Why do you have to make the decision so early? That sucks considering all the last minute scratch's in the NFL.

P.S. Love the title

It's because it's a money league and the commissioner says he has a life .. lol.

[william.hosking]

No offense, but I hope the Cowboys lose the rest of their games this season.

[41ravens]

No offense, but I hope the Cowboys lose the rest of their games this season.

:lol why, you want the #1 and #2 pick? i know how you feel. i rooted for the browns to lose every game last year cause we had a first rounder from them. asshats had to go 10-6. oh well, i think we did all right in the draft lat year.

[crashintonickdm]

No offense, but I hope the Cowboys lose the rest of their games this season.

why are you in this thread?

[41ravens]

why are you in this thread?

he's just joking. the lions get our first round pick. if we lose out, it makes the pick better.

[Mario82288]

Damn that's a brutal decision. There are some serious pros and cons to all your choices, I guess this is where champions are made.

Why do you have to make the decision so early? That sucks considering all the last minute scratch's in the NFL.

P.S. Love the title

Well, I decided to go with Brad Johnson... we'll see how it pans out.

[41ravens]

this is ridiculous. i really wish we could've done this without playing tony, but looks like he's gonna have to try and play now. brad johnson fuckin' blows.

[41ravens]

i hate every aspect of our team right now.

[crashintonickdm]

yeah it just doesnt look good rigt now. brad johnson blows something bad.

[41ravens]

i hate every aspect of our team right now.

i take this back. ware is the shit.

[ExistenceNow]

Slept in today. Woke up to Dallas down 24-7, then watched them put together a drive, fuck up a 4th and 1 conversion with a false start, then miss the field goal. I think I'm going back to sleep.

Edit: TD Rams, I'm definitely going back to sleep.

[41ravens]

fuck this team. fuck our defense. fuck our coaching. fuck our special teams. fuck tony romo's pinkie. fuck our penalties. fuck everything. this is embarassing. we'll be lucky to make the playoffs.

[crashintonickdm]

50% of the team is hurt.

[dmbmuskie]

Any chance Wade is gone tomorrow?

[crashintonickdm]

Any chance Wade is gone tomorrow?

i hope so. he instills no dicipline or however you fuckin spell it.

id imagine the halftime chat was "welp, we're down 17, so lets go out there and do. lets go"

fire. wade. now.

[dmbmuskie]

i hope so. he instills no dicipline or however you fuckin spell it.

id imagine the halftime chat was "welp, we're down 17, so lets go out there and do. lets go"

fire. wade. now.

Who would you bring in? Garrett is not the answer?

I don't think Marty or Cowher would want anything to do with this mess.

[ExistenceNow]

I'm Ron Burgundy?

[malarks26]

Any chance Wade is gone tomorrow?

The guy is a puppet, that's all.

[crashintonickdm]

Who would you bring in? Garrett is not the answer?

I don't think Marty or Cowher would want anything to do with this mess.

its the most talented team in the NFL on paper that the head coach has lost. the head coach is too soft of a dude. and when a head coach loses his team, talent does not matter. and no i dont believe jason garrett is the answer. leave him as the offensive coordinator. we need to bring somebody, anybody else in here.

any hard ass coach would come in and take this team right into the super bowl. somebody needs to go, by tomorrow to send a message that this shit will not be tolerated. if not, this season might in fact be over.

the only person that i still have a ton of respect for right now is demarcus ware. he is disgusting.

[dmbmuskie]

its the most talented team in the NFL on paper that the head coach has lost. the head coach is too soft of a dude. and when a head coach loses his team, talent does not matter. and no i dont believe jason garrett is the answer. leave him as the offensive coordinator. we need to bring somebody, anybody else in here.

any hard ass coach would come in and take this team right into the super bowl. somebody needs to go, by tomorrow to send a message that this shit will not be tolerated. if not, this season might in fact be over.

I think the problem is in the front office, which is why Jimmy and the Tuna left. The Coach needs to have unquestioned authority or you will have problems, which is not the case in Dallas. A hard ass is not going to put up with being over ruled by the billionaire upstairs.

Dallas is on a level with Pittsburgh, Indy, NE, Philly on the field, but Oakland and Cincy in the locker room.

[malarks26]

I think the problem is in the front office, which is why Jimmy and the Tuna left. The Coach needs to have unquestioned authority or you will have problems, which is not the case in Dallas. A hard ass is not going to put up with being over ruled by the billionaire upstairs.

Dallas is on a level with Pittsburgh, Indy, NE, Philly on the field, but Oakland and Cincy in the locker room.

:thumbsup:thumbsup I agree with you 100% with everything in bold. It all falls back on the asshole owner Jerry Jones.

BTW, did anybody see what he gave up for Roy Williams?!?! Is the guy insane? I know Roy's a decent WR, but he's not Larry Fitzgerald or anything.

[crashintonickdm]

:thumbsup:thumbsup I agree with you 100% with everything in bold. It all falls back on the asshole owner Jerry Jones.

BTW, did anybody see what he gave up for Roy Williams?!?! Is the guy insane? I know Roy's a decent WR, but he's not Larry Fitzgerald or anything.

the only reason we gave up 3 picks was because we got 2 back from teennesee and then 1 with roy. so really we only lost a 1st.

he is a great reciever who is only going to get better. he is 27 too, so he can be TOs replacement.

[malarks26]

the only reason we gave up 3 picks was because we got 2 back from teennesee and then 1 with roy. so really we only lost a 1st.

he is a great reciever who is only going to get better. he is 27 too, so he can be TOs replacement.

Uh, you gave up 4 picks total. 3 in the 2009 draft and 1 in the 2010 draft.

[dmbmuskie]

If the Tuna was in Dallas the would not have made that trade because he understands the value of cheap talent in the modern NFL.

Who is the better football man Jones or the Tuna? That should answer any question about if this was a good trade or not.

As bad as the Cowboys look I still think that pick will be in the 20-32 range of the first round which makes it very cost effective.

[lockman21]

You guys need more WR's.

[crashintonickdm]

Uh, you gave up 4 picks total. 3 in the 2009 draft and 1 in the 2010 draft.

uh, no. we gave up 3 picks. 1st, 3rd and 6th for 2009 for roy and a 7th.

[crashintonickdm]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-farmer19-2008oct19,0,4035855.column

3/4 of the way down. 3 fucking picks. 3. not 4. 3.

[HoldemHart]

:lol

[thehoss]

soo....st louis isnt good, right? just like washington wasnt when the gmen tooled them up?

[wxdudes]

Picked this upset. easy since BJ was starting, no pac-douche, and the bitches were over confident. :D

[crashintonickdm]

i hate this thread.

the only people who post are the fucktards. waste time on your afvorite team, dont come in here and worry about the cowboys, even though you love to.

[41ravens]

well, after letting that ass-fucking sink in, i still haven't given up hope. we're too talented. these next two weeks are crucial. and, oddly enough, two of the hardest games on our schedule. tony has to be healthy for tampa, or they are going to fuck brad a new one. and @ the giants speaks for itself. the thing we have going for us is that we're 1-1 in the division with 4 games left. the bad part is that 3 of them are on the road and the 1 home game is against the giants. we're also 2-3 in the nfc, which doesn't help matters.

the thing that concerns me the most is this just doesn't seem like a team who can band together through adversity. the head coach is a joke who's pretty much just waiting to be fired now. i don't want an oakland saga. everyone knows he's gone. get it done and let's move on. maybe a coaching change would fire things up a bit. but is garrett the answer? well, jerry banked on it, so might as well find out now.

if we can beat tampa and somehow pull the giants game out, we'll be ok. going 1-1 wouldn't be terrible. if we lose them both, and go into the bye 4-5, we're done.

[Mario82288]

We just need to get healthy. We are really missing Romo, Newman, Felix and Kosier right now.

[RJ2kWJ]

i hate this thread.

the only people who post are the fucktards. waste time on your afvorite team, dont come in here and worry about the cowboys, even though you love to.

Why not? I see Red Sox and Yankees fans mess with eachother all the time in their threads. Who cares.

Anyways with Dallas, it's really just bad coaching. With all the individual talent they have on both sides of the ball, how can it be anything other than coaching? Their players lack focus, and they don't play as a unit in any facet of the game.

I think after literally every single passing TD I've seen them give up this year, I've seen their d-backs pointing at each other. So lame.

Keep up the circus, Jerry Jones. It's fun to watch!! :bounce

[41ravens]

these are our remaining games. i didn't feel like looking up the order, it's just off the top of my head.

tampa
@giants
@redskins
seattle
giants
49ers
@steelers
baltimore
@eagles

i have taken the liberty of bolding the games where we will get fucking crushed if we continue to play at the level we've been playing at. actually, i should've bolded them all.

[NextMovement41]

gah its turning into the bad old days for a lifetime cowboys fan....

i hope my boys turn it around

[devilandthelord]

I don't know if any of you 'boys fans saw this recently in the onion, but the headline is hysterical.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/tony_womo_out_three_to_four_weeks

:lol

[RJ2kWJ]

I don't know if any of you 'boys fans saw this recently in the onion, but the headline is hysterical.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/tony_womo_out_three_to_four_weeks

:lol

Just figured out my halloween costume... thinks for that. :)

Last year: Bill BeliCheat

This year: Tony Womo (Was gonna do Tony Homo but I figured I could piss off people in the wrong way by doing that)

Ill paste a blue W over the H on that ugly ass jersey and wear the mother of all pinky casts on my right hand. Maybe a Jessica Simpson hat to go along with it.

[Mario82288]

Dear God .. Please bless Brad Johnson on Sunday ... PLEASE! LOL

[crashintonickdm]

we probably arent winning again til romo comes back, and even thats a stretch. this team just isnt one right now.

[Mario82288]

The defense stepped it up today, totally wasn't expecting that! Woo hoo!

[41ravens]

much needed win, but fuck. henry most likely out next week and witten questionable? how many more injuries are we going to have to deal with. i like the way our d played today, but we're going to have to be flawless to beat the giants. this bye week can't come soon enough.

[crashintonickdm]

much needed win, but fuck. henry most likely out next week and witten questionable? how many more injuries are we going to have to deal with. i like the way our d played today, but we're going to have to be flawless to beat the giants. this bye week can't come soon enough.

we arent going to beat the giants. the whole team is hurt. we'll get our fair game in dallas in a month when we are all healthy.

[jordonh]

we arent going to beat the giants. the whole team is hurt. we'll get our fair game in dallas in a month when we are all healthy.

gotta have faith

[crashintonickdm]

gotta have faith

im fine with going into the bye week 5-4 if it happens, its much better than 4-5.

[Mario82288]

I think Witten will be fine and ready for the Giants. I'm really hoping that maybe Romo can be ready too.

[41ravens]

i'm almost thinking just let romo sit. i'm sure he wants to play, but let's not risk anything. go play the game with who we've got and hopefully the d can step up again like it did this week. if we lose, we lose. we'll still go into the bye 5-4 and looking to have everyone healthy when they come back. the nfc is a clusterfuck right now. it's still up for grabs. let's go into new york, hopefully make a game of it and come out without any more injuries, and then go into the bye and get healthy. then try and make a run in the last 7 games.

[crashintonickdm]

i'm almost thinking just let romo sit. i'm sure he wants to play, but let's not risk anything. go play the game with who we've got and hopefully the d can step up again like it did this week. if we lose, we lose. we'll still go into the bye 5-4 and looking to have everyone healthy when they come back. the nfc is a clusterfuck right now. it's still up for grabs. let's go into new york, hopefully make a game of it and come out without any more injuries, and then go into the bye and get healthy. then try and make a run in the last 7 games.

yeah, i dont care if we get blown out by the giants. they are playing a team with 50% of the roster on the injury report.

we get them again, in dallas.

[Mario82288]

Let's bench Brad Johnson. Brooks has to be better.

[Dancing Ants]

brooks might at least have an arm. i just wonder about his decision making.

[dmb_lover4136]

yea Brad is in there because of his decision making. But v.s. the big GMEN or what the fuck ever haha, we need Brooks. His mobility in the pocket. But if and a big IF, our o-line protects Brad I think he will be good.( Just dont launch it dumbass) anyway if we keep this momentum up, come after the bye week we will be clicking.

peace

[thehoss]

yeah, i dont care if we get blown out by the giants. they are playing a team with 50% of the roster on the injury report.

we get them again, in dallas.

tissue?

our defense is playing without the only pro-bowler on the team, since game one. i dont want to hear about this injury bullshit. you play to win the game

[41ravens]

tissue?

our defense is playing without the only pro-bowler on the team, since game one. i dont want to hear about this injury bullshit. you play to win the game

call up the giants and have them sit eli, your best cornerback, your back-up running back and, from the looks of it, your starting tight end, and we'll call it even. i'm not going to play the injury card. shit happens. but don't give me this "play to win the game" bullshit when a majority of our primary playmakers are down.

i will laugh my ass off if the cowboys win this game.

[41ravens]

also, brooks would get murdered. not saying brad won't, but come on? you guys want to start basically a rookie? no thanks. stick brad in there, hope our d steps it up again and play the clock management game with barber. if brad starts heaving up interceptions, or the more likely scenario of justin tuck breaking his head, then we stick in brooks.

[HoldemHart]

It's a Giants/Cowboys game, injuries or not it's going to be a hard fought game. Like Justin Tuck said yesterday "We hate them and they hate us".

[thehoss]

call up the giants and have them sit eli, your best cornerback, your back-up running back and, from the looks of it, your starting tight end, and we'll call it even. i'm not going to play the injury card. shit happens. but don't give me this "play to win the game" bullshit when a majority of our primary playmakers are down.

i will laugh my ass off if the cowboys win this game.



boss is no shockey. shockey was a play-maker, boss really isnt. so we're even on the tight-end spectrum. TO and Roy Williams? we dont have a best cornerback. none of them until about 9 months ago were worth a shit. you still have the better cornerbacks. And according to everyone, Eli is garbage anyway, because he doesnt put up 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns a year, so i dont know your point there either. My point is, rather than going after fucking douchebags who like jail, and paying them 40 million dollar signing bounses, start signing people that CARE, and create a back-up plan with the money saved. You know, like we have david Carr. I don't care if you didnt expect Romo to go down or not, you still need to have a sound back-up. Again, i dont want to hear it about your play-makers going down. TO and Roy Williams and The Barbarian are all-pro. whine whine whine. Demarcus Ware? pleeeease. see you sunday.

[crashintonickdm]

tissue?

our defense is playing without the only pro-bowler on the team, since game one. i dont want to hear about this injury bullshit. you play to win the game

im not bithcing, at all. im just simply saying, you better win this becuase our whole team is hurt. now henry is out and witten is questionable.

we have TO and barber, and thats it.

[thehoss]

uh, Williams? hello? 2 best wr's in the game, imo. and barber. gee, that's tough. how about having TO quit on your team? not quite, but plax has.

[crashintonickdm]

uh, Williams? hello? 2 best wr's in the game, imo. and barber. gee, that's tough. how about having TO quit on your team? not quite, but plax has.

oh. okay. 2 great WRs with nobody to throw to them. its been a joke in the passing game the past 2 weeks.

again, congrats for the win this week. my concerns are with the phillies right now because of the obvious. we'll see you in a few weeks when most of our players are back. with all of our players, i am really confident we can score alot on that defense.

[41ravens]

oh. okay. 2 great WRs with nobody to throw to them. its been a joke in the passing game the past 2 weeks.

again, congrats for the win this week. my concerns are with the phillies right now because of the obvious. we'll see you in a few weeks when most of our players are back. with all of our players, i am really confident we can score alot on that defense.

we haven't lost shit yet. eli has a tendency to shit the bed at times, why not this week? if we can hold jacobs and force eli into some mistakes, we can make a game of it. the offense has to produce, though. they have to move the ball and win the field position game.

[crashintonickdm]

we haven't lost shit yet. eli has a tendency to shit the bed at times, why not this week? if we can hold jacobs and force eli into some mistakes, we can make a game of it. the offense has to produce, though. they have to move the ball and win the field position game.

the offense isnt going to do shit with brad johnson at QB. there could be nobody sticking TO and roy and he'd still checkdown to barber, its a joke. wade wont put brooks in because brad is the vet and "gies them a better chance to win" blah blah blah. the giants arent the bucs, they are great on offense and defense. id say if everyone was playing we could easily beat them, but 50% of the roster is hurt. im hoping for something good, but am expecting a loss.

the game in dallas is what i have circled now. actually, the bye is circled about 50000 times because we need it so fuckin bad.

[41ravens]

brooks would get his ass handed to him. he hasn't even taken a snap with the first team. i understand people are frustrated with brad right now, but this "start brooks" movement is absolutely ridiculous.

[crashintonickdm]

brooks would get his ass handed to him. he hasn't even taken a snap with the first team. i understand people are frustrated with brad right now, but this "start brooks" movement is absolutely ridiculous.

brad johnson is ridiculous.

[RJ2kWJ]

the offense isnt going to do shit with brad johnson at QB. there could be nobody sticking TO and roy and he'd still checkdown to barber, its a joke. wade wont put brooks in because brad is the vet and "gies them a better chance to win" blah blah blah. the giants arent the bucs, they are great on offense and defense. id say if everyone was playing we could easily beat them, but 50% of the roster is hurt. im hoping for something good, but am expecting a loss.

the game in dallas is what i have circled now. actually, the bye is circled about 50000 times because we need it so fuckin bad.

Ours too. Dallas and Washington both need a bye week incredibly bad. I just have to hope that my Skins can rise to the occasion with some steam ONE MORE TIME this Monday night. :shrug Too many injuries.

[thehoss]

oh. okay. 2 great WRs with nobody to throw to them. its been a joke in the passing game the past 2 weeks.

again, congrats for the win this week. my concerns are with the phillies right now because of the obvious. we'll see you in a few weeks when most of our players are back. with all of our players, i am really confident we can score alot on that defense.

It wasn't pretty, but if you remember last year, those were the road games we won all year long last season, that just makes you a stronger team in general. Until last week, i felt the steelers were top 3 in the NFL, but after that, holy shit, big ben may not live to see the end of the season. I would disagree when you say "we could easily beat you". You could have easily, scratch, SHOULD HAVE easily beaten us in january last year. That's why the play the game, my friend. Injuries, or no injuries, goodluck this weekend.

[Dancing Ants]

the offense isnt going to do shit with brad johnson at QB. there could be nobody sticking TO and roy and he'd still checkdown to barber, its a joke. wade wont put brooks in because brad is the vet and "gies them a better chance to win" blah blah blah. the giants arent the bucs, they are great on offense and defense. id say if everyone was playing we could easily beat them, but 50% of the roster is hurt. im hoping for something good, but am expecting a loss.

the game in dallas is what i have circled now. actually, the bye is circled about 50000 times because we need it so fuckin bad.

there's no reason to whine about it. in a way, romo being out is the best thing for this team. that defense FINALLY (or so it seems) realized they might actually have to win a game instead of putting it all on romo. so we'll just wait til sunday and see what happens.

ps- how you can be a phillies fan and a cowboys fan baffles me.

[crashintonickdm]

there's no reason to whine about it. in a way, romo being out is the best thing for this team. that defense FINALLY (or so it seems) realized they might actually have to win a game instead of putting it all on romo. so we'll just wait til sunday and see what happens.

ps- how you can be a phillies fan and a cowboys fan baffles me.

get a life if it baffles you.

[Mario82288]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Cowboys can actually make a game out of it. If the defense can be great again and if the offense can connect on a few plays .. it might just happen. I know they are big ifs but stranger things have happened.

[41ravens]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Cowboys can actually make a game out of it. If the defense can be great again and if the offense can connect on a few plays .. it might just happen. I know they are big ifs but stranger things have happened.

yeah, i'm hoping they make a game of it. all these "fans" writing this game/season off are starting to piss me off. if they play like they did against tampa (awesome D, no turnovers), it'll definitely be a game. the offense needs to step it up. i'm looking forward to it. should be a good one.

[Dancing Ants]

get a life if it baffles you.

shut up you dick. you're obviously a front-runner.

[dmb_lover4136]

yeah, i'm hoping they make a game of it. all these "fans" writing this game/season off are starting to piss me off. if they play like they did against tampa (awesome D, no turnovers), it'll definitely be a game. the offense needs to step it up. i'm looking forward to it. should be a good one.




:thumbsup I hate when fans give up. and all this talk about coaching changes pisses me off. I was in another thread saying if we did not get romo back we was onna suck, but when he comes back Watch out. If our d plays like they did v.s. green bay and tampa, and our O playes good we have a good shot to go deep in the playoffs

[crashintonickdm]

shut up you dick. you're obviously a front-runner.

kill yourself. i became a fan of them before they won super bowls. you dont know me.

[Mario82288]

Well .. win or lose, I'll still be cheering and VERY thankful that this should be our last game with Brad as the starter. Hopefully everyone comes back healthy after the bye week and we get on a hot streak. Go Cowboys!

[41ravens]

Well .. win or lose, I'll still be cheering and VERY thankful that this should be our last game with Brad as the starter. Hopefully everyone comes back healthy after the bye week and we get on a hot streak. Go Cowboys!

:thumbsup

a win would be nice, but a loss won't completely bury us. just hoping everyone comes back healthy and fired up after the bye.

[crashintonickdm]

lets go cowboys! It sucks that our injury report is so big, i think we can win but it doesnt look good. Luckily there is a rematch in a mont when we have everyone back.

[41ravens]

5-4 is where i figured we'd be. i apologize to the brooks supporters. no telling what could've happened had he started and played the whole game. brad is horrible. i hope he's played his last snap as a cowboy.

as for the game, meh. when your defense is on the field for 92 minutes of a 60 minute game, you're going to lose. here's hoping that everyone's back healthy after the bye and we make a run at it. but we realistically need to go 5-2 to probably even have a shot, so we'll see.

[crashintonickdm]

5-4 is where i figured we'd be. i apologize to the brooks supporters. no telling what could've happened had he started and played the whole game. brad is horrible. i hope he's played his last snap as a cowboy.

as for the game, meh. when your defense is on the field for 92 minutes of a 60 minute game, you're going to lose. here's hoping that everyone's back healthy after the bye and we make a run at it. but we realistically need to go 5-2 to probably even have a shot, so we'll see.

we're going to be okay. we go into the bye over .500. most of the injuries are healed up, and we have no excuse to come out of the gate and make a run for the playoffs.

[ExistenceNow]

Division is looking like a long shot at this point, but we're still right in the mix for a wild card spot, especially if we come out strong and healthy after the bye week.

7 games to play. That's a lot of football. This season isn't toast yet.

[Mario82288]

If you've played sports (at any level) ya know those games when you just kinda know you are gonna get your ass handed to you. Maybe it wasn't because your team was stacked with injury like the Cowboys. Maybe it was because your school was small and you were going against the powerhouse team that wins it all every year.

Never the less, I think we've all been on the short side of those games. That's what happened to the Cowboys yesterday. They were over-matched with the players that were on the field. So what happened? The Cowboys who did play, pressed .. they tried to make things happen. When you press too hard, sometimes bad things happen. You lose momentum and it just steamrolls downward.

We are not as bad as we saw yesterday. We were missing our leader. The haters will say that Romo doesn't play defense and that is true. But when the defense is on the field too long or being put in bad field position due to turnovers, it's easy for the defense to fail.

I've never been more excited for a bye week then I am this week. Let's get healthy and lets get back to business!

[41ravens]

i agree, mario. any defense in the league is going to look like shit if they have to play 40-45 minutes of the game. after romo, i think the biggest return is going to be tnew. that will vastly improve our secondary, which is our weakest point right now. but i hope the players realize that just getting these players back doesn't automatically mean we start winning again. every game is a fight now. every game. if we lose more than 2 of these next 7 games, we can probably kiss the playoffs goodbye. and here's the remaining schedule to put things into perspective:

@wash
san fran
seattle
@pitt
giants
ravens
@eagles

we have to come out of the gate and win those first 3 games. build some confidence. cause december is fucking brutal.

[41ravens]

got some help from the steelers last night. and i hope our d was watching the game. campbell was pressured all night and couldn't handle it. both teams now have the bye to get healthy, so it should be a good fight in 2 weeks. hopefully we can go in there and get a win to try and get things back on track.

[crashintonickdm]

the wildcard fight will be week 17 @ philadelphia.

we canNOT lose to those clowns and miss the playoffs because of it. we will be our healthiest for that game so i think we can take care of business.

[HoldemHart]

the wildcard fight will be week 17 @ philadelphia.

we canNOT lose to those clowns and miss the playoffs because of it. we will be our healthiest for that game so i think we can take care of business.

Out of curiousity, how the hell do you know the Cowboys will be healthy in 8 weeks?

[Dancing Ants]

Out of curiousity, how the hell do you know the Cowboys will be healthy in 8 weeks?

i think he's just hoping like the rest of us cowboy fans that they are.

[HoldemHart]

i think he's just hoping like the rest of us cowboy fans that they are.

Still a lot of football to be played, I'm confident the Cowboys will be in the playoffs.

[41ravens]

Still a lot of football to be played, I'm confident the Cowboys will be in the playoffs.

the nfc is such a clusterfuck right now. i'm confident the boys can get there, as well, but it's not going to be easy. what needs to happen is some of the north and south teams need to start losing some games. that would help tremendously. also, us winning out and the skins/eagles losing out wouldn't hurt.

edit: i was furious for having to watch the end of the kc/tampa game on sunday instead of the beginning of boys/giants, but now that i think about it, that game could end up being huge. cause the chiefs should've won that game. lions/bears is the same thing.

[HoldemHart]

the nfc is such a clusterfuck right now. i'm confident the boys can get there, as well, but it's not going to be easy. what needs to happen is some of the north and south teams need to start losing some games. that would help tremendously. also, us winning out and the skins/eagles losing out wouldn't hurt.

edit: i was furious for having to watch the end of the kc/tampa game on sunday instead of the beginning of boys/giants, but now that i think about it, that game could end up being huge. cause the chiefs should've won that game. lions/bears is the same thing.

No Kidding...I was furious having to watch the end of that shit show...

[MDrums54]

hello dallass fans

just stopping in to let you know you suck

that is all

[crashintonickdm]

Out of curiousity, how the hell do you know the Cowboys will be healthy in 8 weeks?

we're expected to key 4-5 starters back in the next 2 weeks.

we'll be ready to go. you're going to lose week 17, just like your mets cant win in september, muahahahah. but seriously, i think we're going to be just fine once we get healthy. in the end, talent wins games. and even though noncowboys fans dont want to admit, alot of our key guys are out and its the reason we arent playing good.

[41ravens]

hmmm...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

[jaking1185]

hmmm...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124

Do you guys really want another troublemaker on your team, and an overrated one at that?

[crashintonickdm]

Do you guys really want another troublemaker on your team, and an overrated one at that?

i hate deangelo hall, might be the most overrated player in football.

[41ravens]

just throwing it out there for discussion, cause i know the boys are going to be thrown out there as potential suitors.

[crashintonickdm]

just throwing it out there for discussion, cause i know the boys are going to be thrown out there as potential suitors.

ya and its another reason for ESPN to dog us. i dont think deangelo and TO would get along, at all. TO spit in his face lol.

[Mario82288]

I dont know about that ... T.O got injured by Roy Williams using a horse collar and they were OK being being team-mates

[thehoss]

deangelo hall is basically pac-man, but D doesnt pack heat at strip clubs, only difference.

[41ravens]

overrated or not, i bet you anything deangleo hall wouldn't have let ward walk right by him without at least laying a hit on him.

[41ravens]

all right, bye week over. go time. everyone is back at practice except felix. hopefully he's good to go on game day, but don't know how much help he'd really be anyways. right out of the gate, this game is crucial. must win at washington. a loss sends an already reeling team to 5-5 with yet another loss in the conference. a win moves us to 6-4 with san fran and seattle coming up. if we can be 8-4 on thanksgiving, that would be huge. but it all starts next sunday night. have to beat the skins.

[Mario82288]

Boy oh boy ... I love Redskin week. Can't wait to see Tony, Terrance and Kyle on the field.

[41ravens]

looks like portis is a no go. i'm hoping it doesn't matter whether he plays or not. this team knows that every game matters now, and i see no reason for them to not come out and blow the doors off. a loss pretty much ends the season, so that should be some good motivation.

[41ravens]

i haven't been this pumped for a game since the season started. sunday night can't come soon enough.

[ExistenceNow]

Considering the turnovers, Dallas is lucky to have it 7-7.

This game has been hard to watch.

[dave ingraham]

rocky mcintosh on that crazy interception ftw

[ExistenceNow]

Nice special teams Dallas. Could have gone in to the half with a tie, but no, might as well give Washington a chance to erase your fucking touchdown in less than a minute.

Alright. Looks like it's only going to be a field goal.

10-7 isn't too bad considering.

[Dancing Ants]

defense steps up finally, offense sputters...offense steps up, special teams sputters...what's next? overall not a bad showing considering romo's been out a month and they're still getting used to roy williams being there.

[devilandthelord]

I would like to thank Marion Barber for scoring and helping my fantasy team tonight. :)

[crashintonickdm]

i think our offense is fine this far. those 2 picks were unfortunate but we showed we can move the ball. i expect the defense to hold washington to field goals and romo to lead this team to TDs.

the special teams has been an embarassment all year.

[ExistenceNow]

Can't take advantage of ANY of Washington's mistakes. Interception, nothing. Missed field goal, nothing. Leaving WAY too many points on the field.

Also, we need McBriar back, this punter is fucking atrocious. I could kick the ball farther than this fucking bum.

[Mario82288]

Flozell is killing me

[ExistenceNow]

Flozell is killing me

I think I'm finally numb to him. His 15 false start penalties a game used to get me in a fucking rage, but now they're almost like the game clock to me.. just part of the game.

[Mario82288]

Bennett! Great catch!

[ExistenceNow]

TD Cowboys!

Defense needs to keep flexing.

[Mario82288]

Great drive .. finally shaking off some rust.

[crashintonickdm]

hell of a throw! and the offensive line is playing like they should be playing. dominate.

[Mario82288]

Defense needs to shut them down now

[ExistenceNow]

Big 3rd and 5 here.

Incomplete!

4 down territory I bet though.

[Mario82288]

Big stop on this 4th .. come on defense!

[Mario82288]

Yes! Big BIG stop!

[ExistenceNow]

HUGE!

Now we need a grinding drive that ends in points.

[crashintonickdm]

barber is gonig to tear it up. that defense is tired.

[Mario82288]

Barber baby ... ground out the run

[ExistenceNow]

Barber for sure. This is his bread and butter.

[ExistenceNow]

Another huge 3rd down, this time with the ball in our hands. I think you gotta throw here. This first down is a must.

[Mario82288]

Another huge 3rd down, this time with the ball in our hands. I think you gotta throw here. This first down is a must.

Tony needs to put this away now

[ExistenceNow]

There it is. And to Barber no less!

That was massive. 1 timeout for Washington.

Put this in the endzone and end it.

[Mario82288]

Feels so good to have Romo back

[Mario82288]

Go for it! Gotta put it away here.

[Mario82288]

Yes! Woo hoo!!!!

[crashintonickdm]

game over. what a huge win!!

[ExistenceNow]

huge huge huge huge huge win!

Got Seattle and Frisco next. We should be able to get back on track.

[Mario82288]

Nice win! Barber definately the horse trailer tonight

[Mario82288]

Wow .. big exhale! lol

[crashintonickdm]

if the defense and offensive line play that great as they did tonight, we can take on anybody. romo was rusty, as expected. 49ers next, then the seahawks. they should be easier than tonight. i expect us to be 8-4 going into pittsburgh where they are just as shaky as us. i will sleep well tonight.

[41ravens]

that was a huge, much needed win. barber came up fucking big time tonight. tony looked off to start, which is understandable, but started to get his rythym back. the offense was able to move the ball, which was very nice to see after what we've had to deal with recently. hopefully we can use this win as a springboard.

[Mario82288]

We can't over look the 49ers, their offense can be kinda good. We gotta treat each game like a must win. Getting on a winning streak should would be sweet though. 8-4 would be sweet!

[41ravens]

We can't over look the 49ers, their offense can be kinda good. We gotta treat each game like a must win. Getting on a winning streak should would be sweet though. 8-4 would be sweet!

we can't overlook any game now. they're all important.

really glad to have almost everyone back, but especially tnew. can't say enough how happy i was to watch him shut down moss all night. cannot wait until felix is back.

[Mario82288]

So .. what if Adam Jones is re-instated .. do we have to give draft picks back to Tennessee?

[NextMovement41]

ahhh i went to bed happy knowing my boys won

and i agree, the punter isnt cutting it

[41ravens]

So .. what if Adam Jones is re-instated .. do we have to give draft picks back to Tennessee?

i don't think so. i believe the stipulations were if he was suspended at all for any reason for any amount of time. i don't think whether or not he was reinstated again heald any bearing. i, for one, hope the league suspends him the rest of the year. i do not want him back on the field, but i know jerry wants him to play if he's available. we need to cut his ass and get away from all the distractions, cause you know if he comes back, it's gonna be a circus all over again.

[crashintonickdm]

home against san fran and then thanksgiving against an awful seahawk team. we must destroy the seahawks in retaliation for that january 07 wildcard game they had no business winning.

[NextMovement41]

home against san fran and then thanksgiving against an awful seahawk team. we must destroy the seahawks in retaliation for that january 07 wildcard game they had no business winning.

i hear that:thumbsup

[Mario82288]

i don't think so. i believe the stipulations were if he was suspended at all for any reason for any amount of time. i don't think whether or not he was reinstated again heald any bearing. i, for one, hope the league suspends him the rest of the year. i do not want him back on the field, but i know jerry wants him to play if he's available. we need to cut his ass and get away from all the distractions, cause you know if he comes back, it's gonna be a circus all over again.

Well .. looks like Adam Jones is coming back after the Thanksgiving game. He's been reinstated.

[41ravens]

Well .. looks like Adam Jones is coming back after the Thanksgiving game. He's been reinstated.

yeah, i heard. i voiced my opinion in the nfl thread yesterday. i'm disappointed in the league and the team for welcoming him back with open arms. but they're my team, so i'll still cheer them on. it just seems like an unnecessary distraction for a team fighting to make the playoffs.

[HoldemHart]

I haven't seen to many Cowboys games this year besides the one's on national tv, but was Pacman even having that big of an impact to warrant all this nonsense in the first place?

[41ravens]

I haven't seen to many Cowboys games this year besides the one's on national tv, but was Pacman even having that big of an impact to warrant all this nonsense in the first place?

he was ok. nothing spectacular, but he stood out due to our lack of depth/experience in the secondary. when newman went down, pacman was basically the veteran, next to henry. besides those two, we had two rookies in scandrick and jenkins out there. but both of those guys have been making progress and our pass defense has been decent lately. now with newman back, we could survive without pacman. will he help? probably. but to me, it's not worth the hassle.

[HoldemHart]

^ Was he returning punts?

[41ravens]

^ Was he returning punts?

yeah, and he sucked. dude ran sideways more than he ran forward. tried to hard to make something happen.