Sst

[Joyride40]

I just bought a gibson sst and I want to set it up just like dave's I can't seem to find like what kind of fishman pick up and strings and, so on thanks

Also anyone who was at the the 09/02 gorge show when they played shot gun I swear it was two songs like shotgun/what we've become (or something like that) ? I dont know but I have heard shotgun a few time this summer and i am not sure if it has evolved or if it was two different songs Thanks:confused

[Dancing Ants]

i don't think you could affored to have it set up like Dave's.

shoulda bought a Taylor.

[Rob]

Welcome to the land of the uninformed, unresearched purchase. Prepare to pay the price.

How far do you want to go with this setup? If you take it all the way, it's going to include a pickup, preamp, rewiring, neck shaving, and refinishing, and that's just the guitar. The amount of filters, modifiers, and effects on the guitar to give Dave any semblence of sound was staggering.

So, now that you have an "acoustic" guitar that can't be played unplugged and requires several thousand dollars in modifications and enhancements, what do you do?

Try to sell it to some other unsuspecting sap or collector so you can buy a real guitar.

[GeorgeJr.]

anyone remember the classic "living abortion" quote.....?

[som3d3vil34]

I think there is a thread asking the exact soem thing somewhere...

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=177883

There we go. Not to be a dick or anything...just saying.

[AshkaanF]

i don't think you could affored to have it set up like Dave's.

shoulda bought a Taylor.

Nobody should ever buy a Taylor

[nakedguydmb]

oh god, people are STILL buying these because of dave?

[GeorgeJr.]

Nobody should ever buy a Taylor

i'd really like to hear a reason why not?

[tdowe99]

oh god, people are STILL buying these because of dave?
Apparently nobody searches to find my thread called "Rob was right! (Chetc)"
because the guitar sounds and plays like shit.

[Dmbsst]

good lord here we go again...... put a fishman natural pickup in it and call it a day. It sounds very similar to most of the live chet recordings, and make sure it is set up correctly. It does not play like shit, and sound is a matter of opinion, if you want it to sound like an acoustic guitar you shoulda bought an acoustic guitar, if you like the sound of the chet like I do....well.... you bought the right guitar, enjoy it. Play what you like man, its your money. 97% of the people who post on here regarding the Chet just bitch and moan about people discussing it....yet they still take the time to add their negative comments about it whether its pertaining to topic or not. Granted they are right that your question could be answered with the search function.

[AshkaanF]

i'd really like to hear a reason why not?

Because there are a lot of better guitars out there for WAY better prices. I loathe Taylors

[Joyride40]

Thanks alot I am new to the forum thing I did look I guess not in the right place. Man you know what abunch of jack asses, I have a martin dmc and a dm3md (REAL) acoustic guitars. but I love the sound of the of the sst. so anyways thanks again

[nakedguydmb]

Thanks alot I am new to the forum thing I did look I guess not in the right place. Man you know what abunch of jack asses, I have a martin dmc and a dm3md (REAL) acoustic guitars. but I love the sound of the of the sst. so anyways thanks again
what fucking language are they speaking up in poulsbo, washington, exactly?

[Rob]

DM3MD? What number?

I call bullshit. Nobody that plays guitar for themselves buys everything Dave Matthews has. Dave inspired many new guitarists, which is a great thing. He also inspired a bunch of sheep/karaoke machines, which is a terrible thing.

[GeorgeJr.]

DM3MD? What number?

I call bullshit. Nobody that plays guitar for themselves buys everything Dave Matthews has. Dave inspired many new guitarists, which is a great thing. He also inspired a bunch of sheep/karaoke machines, which is a terrible thing.

i'm guessing # 1 2 or 3. i'd like to see a pic of the number. if you have enough money to buy all of those pretty expensive guitars you should easily be able to upload a pic

[Dmbsst]

Ill defend you on liking the Chet man, but I have to agree someone who laid out $4k+ on a DM3MD, usually isnt on this forum looking for basic info on upgrading a Chet. Maybe you have alot of disposable income, if so im just jealous, but lets see a pic of your DM3MD

[Joyride40]

Here you go

[Joyride40]

Here is one more, It's # 90 and I bought in 2000, in Chicago for 2,400.00. Need I say more. Thanks again

[tdowe99]

I resized those for you, since PDFs probably will piss people off more.

[Joyride40]

Thanks I tried to resize them but I couldnt do thanks, man people are touchy in here

[Rob]

Okay, so, basically, you're a rich idiot? I wish I was a rich idiot.

Then I could pretend to be Dave Matthews.

[tdowe99]

I have a D-35, so it's similar to your guitar, but I didn't get it cuz of DM.

[Joyride40]

Rich idiot, it's called an investment

[AJF_41]

Okay, so, basically, you're a rich idiot? I wish I was a rich idiot.

Then I could pretend to be Dave Matthews.

i know you are on these boards a lot...but you are a tool. :ggoat

[TheMakerDMB17]

thats awesome you have some sweet guitars i could only wish for, but is the flicking off in the picture honestly necessary

[Joyride40]

thanks for the entertainment it was fun. Hope everybody has a good night
Peace

[chr35919]

anyone have this one???
http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=DC%20Trey%20Anastasio

[Carbon Copy]

Hurley Rocks

[nakedguydmb]

Here you go
what a fucking douche. :lol

[GeorgeJr.]

nice guitars

[onemanguitarban]

Nobody should ever buy a Taylor

I disagree if your primary purpose is playing live and you want a realistic sound or you want to record direct. With the ES system...they sound better in these two situations than guitars that are "much better"

[onemanguitarban]

Rich idiot, it's called an investment

The guitars you purchased are not good investments. A James A. Olson guitar purchased in 2000, would have been a FAR FAR FAR FAR better investment.

[Monk]

Jesus, leave the guy alnoe, he asked some pretty chill questions, and gets hostility. Nice guitars, and I thought the flipping off was funny.

[1eyed_jack]

yeah, nicely done joyride. it was a lose lose situation for you and i liked how you handled it. everyone giving you shit is probably just jealous they don't have one. though they won't admit it

[onemanguitarban]

yeah, nicely done joyride. it was a lose lose situation for you and i liked how you handled it. everyone giving you shit is probably just jealous they don't have one. though they won't admit it
I can assure you I'm not someone who is jealous about having those guitars. Trust me.

Its one thing to be a mindless Dave fan that doesn't know any better. But to call those instruments quality investments is a JOKE and deserves ridicule.

[TheRealGuyute]

Well considering that the DM3MD is selling well above the purchase price, I don't see how you can say it's not a good investment.

The SST? No, that's not an investment, that's a hunk of crap. But if he wants to buy one to play, whatever. It's his money.

[1eyed_jack]

Well considering that the DM3MD is selling well above the purchase price, I don't see how you can say it's not a good investment.

The SST? No, that's not an investment, that's a hunk of crap. But if he wants to buy one to play, whatever. It's his money.

:thumbsup on everything

[Dmbsst]

His money he can buy what ever he wants!! I love how people like to bash what other people decide to buy especially when they didnt ask for their opinion.

[PhishFleck41]

Well considering that the DM3MD is selling well above the purchase price, I don't see how you can say it's not a good investment.

The SST? No, that's not an investment, that's a hunk of crap. But if he wants to buy one to play, whatever. It's his money.

Word up. An olson, froggy bottom, or alembic are better "investments", however.

[PhishFleck41]

anyone have this one???
http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=DC%20Trey%20Anastasio

I've played it once. Didn't really do much for me. Maybe after it ages, it'll be better.

[Pat M]

His money he can buy what ever he wants!! I love how people like to bash what other people decide to buy especially when they didnt ask for their opinion.

you tell 'em, dmbsst!

[nakedguydmb]

you tell 'em, dmbsst!
:lol

[TheRealGuyute]

Word up. An olson, froggy bottom, or alembic are better "investments", however.

It depends on what you're considering an investment. If you buy any of the ones you mention, they're not likely to go up in price at the same rate of return that the DM3MD did.

In fact, you can usually find these guitars used for less than a new one. However, because the DM3MD isn't being made anymore and was a limited release, you can expect it to go up in price.

Olsons and Froggy Bottoms are much better investments in terms of investing in your music (as opposed to monetary return). There are lots of great guitar builders out there right now. It's really a new golden age of luthiery right now. I could name probably 30 builders whose guitars I'd rather have than a DM3MD. But I wouldn't be buying a guitar in the hope that the value would increase. I'd buy it in the hope that my music would improve. A truly great guitar pushes you to play better :)

[chr35919]

It depends on what you're considering an investment. If you buy any of the ones you mention, they're not likely to go up in price at the same rate of return that the DM3MD did.

In fact, you can usually find these guitars used for less than a new one. However, because the DM3MD isn't being made anymore and was a limited release, you can expect it to go up in price.

Olsons and Froggy Bottoms are much better investments in terms of investing in your music (as opposed to monetary return). There are lots of great guitar builders out there right now. It's really a new golden age of luthiery right now. I could name probably 30 builders whose guitars I'd rather have than a DM3MD. But I wouldn't be buying a guitar in the hope that the value would increase. I'd buy it in the hope that my music would improve. A truly great guitar pushes you to play better :)

how much do these handmade guitars run?

[TheRealGuyute]

Depends on the builder and the wood combos/options you choose.

You can get them as cheap as $2,000 or so. Price on a new Traugott STARTS at $25,000.

[onemanguitarban]

Olsons and Froggy Bottoms are much better investments in terms of investing in your music (as opposed to monetary return). There are lots of great guitar builders out there right now. It's really a new golden age of luthiery right now. I could name probably 30 builders whose guitars I'd rather have than a DM3MD. But I wouldn't be buying a guitar in the hope that the value would increase. I'd buy it in the hope that my music would improve. A truly great guitar pushes you to play better :)

Just for the record....the cheapest Olson guitar you could buy in 2000 was $3999.00 (no cutaway, no inlays, no binding, etc the most run of the mill guitar you can think of) now you can't get one new for less than $8000.00 (most are $12,000 or more) and you will be on a 2 year waiting list. That is a SERIOUS increase in value. And as you mentioned they would make your music sound better as well.

[crashintonickdm]

Welcome to the land of the uninformed, unresearched purchase. Prepare to pay the price.

How far do you want to go with this setup? If you take it all the way, it's going to include a pickup, preamp, rewiring, neck shaving, and refinishing, and that's just the guitar. The amount of filters, modifiers, and effects on the guitar to give Dave any semblence of sound was staggering.

So, now that you have an "acoustic" guitar that can't be played unplugged and requires several thousand dollars in modifications and enhancements, what do you do?

Try to sell it to some other unsuspecting sap or collector so you can buy a real guitar.

lol @ you. you hate this guitar dont you? you lash out at everyone who buys one.

[TheRealGuyute]

Just for the record....the cheapest Olson guitar you could buy in 2000 was $3999.00 (no cutaway, no inlays, no binding, etc the most run of the mill guitar you can think of) now you can't get one new for less than $8000.00 (most are $12,000 or more) and you will be on a 2 year waiting list. That is a SERIOUS increase in value. And as you mentioned they would make your music sound better as well.

Yep, the question is, if you had bought that $4000 Olson back in 2000, what would it go for used today? From what I can see, almost every handmade guitar seller takes a hit when they unload them. There are a number of reasons for that, but it's generally true. Olson may be one of the exceptions for most models because he's reached a point where there's officially an Olson mystique.

The only guitars that really increase seriously in value are the vintage models (pre-war Martins, Gibsons). Most handbuilders increase their prices on new models because they can. They've improved their techniques and the better known they are, the more they can charge.

Of course, if you're buying a guitar as a futures investment, you might as well put it under the bed and never play it. Who wants to do that?

[tdowe99]

There are alot better things to invest in than guitars.
Buy guitars to play them.

[PhishFleck41]

There are alot better things to invest in than guitars.
Buy guitars to play them.

:thumbsup

[scuttfarkus]

DM3MD? What number?

I call bullshit.

Wow. I believe the term is owned.

[Carbon Copy]

Wow. I believe the term is owned.


pwned?

[Joyride40]

I never ment anyone to think that I bought my sst for an investment I bought it used on ebay for a couple hundred bucks. It's nothing special I just really like the guitar. I use to have one along time ago but my soon to be EX wife was going to take half of everything so I sold it. anyways there is some insight for you. but I still stand by what I said about the DM3MD. And it dose make me play better it's got fairly thicker neck kinda like a V. Anyways hope everybody is doing good.

[tdowe99]

You got a Gibson or Epiphone "used on ebay for a couple hundred bucks"?

[scuttfarkus]

Ha! Fuck ebay... or really, fuck me for being an idiot.

I bought an Epi SST on ebay two years ago for $200 just because I had some bread laying around and figured what the hell. Never really checked the thing over until yesterday as I rarely played it.

Come to find out, the serial numbers have been scratched off. So, like a schmuck, I bought what probably is a stolen axe. Wanted to sell it, but I can't do that with any good conscionse (sic) because it may very well be stolen and I don't want someone coming back to me asking questions or leaving them with that burden.

Can't believe I never checked that before I purchased it. At least it was only a couple hundred bones and not more.

I suck.

[onemanguitarban]

Yep, the question is, if you had bought that $4000 Olson back in 2000, what would it go for used today? From what I can see, almost every handmade guitar seller takes a hit when they unload them. There are a number of reasons for that, but it's generally true. Olson may be one of the exceptions for most models because he's reached a point where there's officially an Olson mystique.

The only guitars that really increase seriously in value are the vintage models (pre-war Martins, Gibsons). Most handbuilders increase their prices on new models because they can. They've improved their techniques and the better known they are, the more they can charge.

Of course, if you're buying a guitar as a futures investment, you might as well put it under the bed and never play it. Who wants to do that?

For the $4000 olson you could get 6.5K for it with no effort.......and if you purchased a James Taylor or Phil Keaggy model you would have no problem selling it for 9K-12K+ with the right buyer.

Vintage (early 60's fenders) have sky rocketed as well in the past 6-10 years.

[nakedguydmb]

I never ment anyone to think that I bought my sst for an investment I bought it used on ebay for a couple hundred bucks. It's nothing special I just really like the guitar. I use to have one along time ago but my soon to be EX wife was going to take half of everything so I sold it. anyways there is some insight for you. but I still stand by what I said about the DM3MD. And it dose make me play better it's got fairly thicker neck kinda like a V. Anyways hope everybody is doing good.

i can't fathom why should wouldn't want to stick with a winner like you.

:lol

[Dmbsst]

"why should wouldnt" <------nice

[jskrub]

I just bought a gibson sst and I want to set it up just like dave's I can't seem to find like what kind of fishman pick up and strings and, so on thanks

Where did you manage to find a Gibson SST? The guitar is a discontinued model. The only one I can find is the Epiphone version.

[TheRealGuyute]

For the $4000 olson you could get 6.5K for it with no effort.......and if you purchased a James Taylor or Phil Keaggy model you would have no problem selling it for 9K-12K+ with the right buyer.

Vintage (early 60's fenders) have sky rocketed as well in the past 6-10 years.

True on the Olson. As I said, he's developed a real mystique in the past few years. That's about the same as the appreciation on the DM3MD though.

The rate of appreciation on '50s and early '60s Fenders is surpassed only by pre-War Martins. I played a 1931 OM-28 at a shop last year. The thing was beat to hell. Looked like it had been through a flood or something. Finish virtually gone from the top, actually had a gouge on the back down to the bare wood about 6" long and 4" wide. Price? $60,000.

It did sound like a slice of heaven, though. Thing is, that guitar's sell price has probably gone up $10,000 in the time since I played it!

[onemanguitarban]

True on the Olson. As I said, he's developed a real mystique in the past few years. That's about the same as the appreciation on the DM3MD though.

The rate of appreciation on '50s and early '60s Fenders is surpassed only by pre-War Martins. I played a 1931 OM-28 at a shop last year. The thing was beat to hell. Looked like it had been through a flood or something. Finish virtually gone from the top, actually had a gouge on the back down to the bare wood about 6" long and 4" wide. Price? $60,000.

It did sound like a slice of heaven, though. Thing is, that guitar's sell price has probably gone up $10,000 in the time since I played it!

The DM guitar - only 234 or so were made, they will peek out, its value is only from the DM collector standpoint. A 2000 $4000 olson can be sold for upward of 12K...I'd love to see one of those DM martins go for 10K to someone who isn't an idiot (I mean hardcore Dave Matthews worshiper).

[TheRealGuyute]

Now wait a minute. You just said that the $4000 Olson would be around $6500. Even if it was around $8000, that's still about what the DM3MD appreciated. The gross profit is higher, but the margin is the same.

Whether it's to a DMB collector or not, it's still not a bad rate of return.

I wouldn't buy an Olson as an investment (but I would buy one to play if I had that kind of scratch...or talent :lol), but there are a couple guitars that would be better to buy as investments. The Liberty Tree guitars (from various builders) and a couple others have appreciated, but I wouldn't want to use them for a regular gigging guitar.

[Joyride40]

It's a gibson it was make in 95 it's not in great shape but it's straight. As for finding one Ebay, Craigs List, and guitar center has an used inventory.

Hey naked guy eat a dick

[nakedguydmb]

"why should wouldnt" <------nice
yeah, that's a pretty solid typo.

[nakedguydmb]

Hey naked guy eat a dick

i'm not following. maybe you should take a picture of you flipping me off. that seems like the mature route to take. i await your cunning response.

[TheMakerDMB17]

i can't fathom why should wouldn't want to stick with a winner like you.

:lol


:lol :lol :lol goodstuff

[PhishFleck41]

I like to play guitar. Someone buy me a Larrivee or a Froggy Bottom.
thanks.

[scuttfarkus]

i'm not following. maybe you should take a picture of you flipping me off. that seems like the mature route to take. i await your cunning response.

Or better yet, he should sit still while he takes abuse he didn't ask for?

This forum is fucked even more than DMBc. Rob tried to pull rank and got depantsed; he called out this guy as a liar and he retaliated in like fashion.

Where's your, "Hey, Rob, way to react like an adult!" response.

So the guy likes a guitar that others think is shit. So what? Get a fucking grip.

[PhishFleck41]

Or better yet, he should sit still while he takes abuse he didn't ask for?

This forum is fucked even more than DMBc. Rob tried to pull rank and got depantsed; he called out this guy as a liar and he retaliated in like fashion.

Where's your, "Hey, Rob, way to react like an adult!" response.

So the guy likes a guitar that others think is shit. So what? Get a fucking grip.

Yea, true. This guy didn't come in here and say: "Dude, I have a shitload of guitars. Check out my DM3MD, my blah blah blah." He only came in here and asked for some advice, in which only one person gave him. Bitter, bitter motherfuckers.

[boonie]

I like to play guitar. Someone buy me a Larrivee or a Froggy Bottom.
thanks.
i bought a larrivee D-03 this summer. ITs simple but i highly recomend it if you get the cash

[PhishFleck41]

i bought a larrivee D-03 this summer. ITs simple but i highly recomend it if you get the cash

How was it next to an HD-28V or a Taylor 814c? Sadly, I have yet to play a Larrivee, but constantly hear their praises.

[boonie]

How was it next to an HD-28V or a Taylor 814c? Sadly, I have yet to play a Larrivee, but constantly hear their praises.
very different than each of those but also 2 grand cheaper. Plays better than the martin and prolly as good as the taylor and i've always thought tone was pretty dependent on opinoin

[PhishFleck41]

very different than each of those but also 2 grand cheaper. Plays better than the martin and prolly as good as the taylor and i've always thought tone was pretty dependent on opinoin

understandable. one last question hows fingerpicking on it?

[boonie]

understandable. one last question hows fingerpicking on it?
couldnt really tell you im not very good at intricate finger picking.

[TheRealGuyute]

If you want to fingerpick it, buy the OM-03. If you want both, buy the L-03 ;)

[nakedguydmb]

Or better yet, he should sit still while he takes abuse he didn't ask for?

This forum is fucked even more than DMBc. Rob tried to pull rank and got depantsed; he called out this guy as a liar and he retaliated in like fashion.

Where's your, "Hey, Rob, way to react like an adult!" response.

So the guy likes a guitar that others think is shit. So what? Get a fucking grip.
no one should have to be reminded that rob is a fucking idiot. it's not worth telling him again. he already knows.

[Rockyall107]

i just got a breedlove AC25/SR Plus and i love it its just as good if not better than any taylor ive played...dont underestimate breedloves..they make very good guitrs for afforable prices...(compared to taylors and martins)

[scuttfarkus]

no one should have to be reminded that rob is a fucking idiot. it's not worth telling him again. he already knows.

Dude! I wasn't going that far! Holy smokes!

[thatgirl224]

There are alot better things to invest in than guitars.
Buy guitars to play them.

:thumbsup:thumbsup
I like your style.
I can't imagine not using my guitar for enjoyment.

[onemanguitarban]

How was it next to an HD-28V or a Taylor 814c? Sadly, I have yet to play a Larrivee, but constantly hear their praises.

Depends on the actually guitar obviously. But I do have a friend with a D-03, that sounds better than my Taylor 814 (and my 814 sounds better than the average 814). They blow current HD-28s out of the water.

[onemanguitarban]

Now wait a minute. You just said that the $4000 Olson would be around $6500. Even if it was around $8000, that's still about what the DM3MD appreciated. The gross profit is higher, but the margin is the same.

Whether it's to a DMB collector or not, it's still not a bad rate of return.

I wouldn't buy an Olson as an investment (but I would buy one to play if I had that kind of scratch...or talent :lol), but there are a couple guitars that would be better to buy as investments. The Liberty Tree guitars (from various builders) and a couple others have appreciated, but I wouldn't want to use them for a regular gigging guitar.

Trust me, I understand margins.....it is part of my everyday job.

The $6500 figure would be like getting instant cash for it even if someone wasn't in the market for a guitar. $8000 + would be expected at the very bottom.

2nd as I mentioned, I think the DM guitar is going to cap off....and your not going to be able to sell it to anyone but a DM collector for that much. It is like saying a basseball card is worth $300,000.....how many people are going to be dumb enough to buy it?

I agree they have a good return on investment if you purchased one 1st generation. But the ceiling will be lower than an Olson and you have a VERY nich market looking for them. (DM guitar collector who has the money and is willing to spend it on a guitar that isn't nearly as good as another guitar for the same price).

[nakedguydmb]

Dude! I wasn't going that far! Holy smokes!
you should go that far. rob's probably the worst poster here.