2007 Major League Baseball Season

[MistreatedLewis]

We have about 10 guys they'd probably want for pitchers (no hughes, no wang). they can have any 3 (mabye 4, depends) of them except joba chamberlain.

If the like the pitchers, that might do it.

[DmBand801]

oy-vay aaron heilman...oy-fucking-vay :BANG

how many games does this guy need to blow before Minaya gets the idea that he could be some solid trade bait to a team in need of a starter

[neumdogg]

It will be harder to watch when Randy Wolf completely shuts them down tonight!
And now I will shut up.

[SoRight24]

Our offense is nowhere to be found.....

[CrushinPIG38]

I am a huge White Sox fan, so it is pretty shitty right now, but at least I know all Cubs fans are feeling just as shitty (and I have a few WS champs shirts to wear)

[PipeandaCrepe]

did wang pitch a complete game?

[CrushinPIG38]

Yep. :BANG

[PipeandaCrepe]

Yep. :BANG

haha he's looking good again. i think yanks will make a little run soon

[CrushinPIG38]

They need too, The Red Sox look good, but people forget the Twins were worse then the White Sox at this point last year, and look at the run they made, in the toughest division in baseball none the less.

[PipeandaCrepe]

i think they'll def. make the playoffs and wouldn't even be surprised if they took the division. we've seen crazier shit

[SoRight24]

They need too, The Red Sox look good, but people forget the Twins were worse then the White Sox at this point last year, and look at the run they made, in the toughest division in baseball none the less.

We don't look so hot as of late, dropped 5 out of 7. :thumbsdow

[ProudestAnt]

We don't look so hot as of late, dropped 5 out of 7. :thumbsdow Anyone who didn't see it coming and perpare themselves for it after the offensive explosion we've had as of late is a fool. I'm not the least bit worried...

[ProudestAnt]

i think they'll def. make the playoffs and wouldn't even be surprised if they took the division. we've seen crazier shit You'd better hope you win the division because the wildcard is coming out of the West...

[Tiduwho]

You'd better hope you win the division because the wildcard is coming out of the West...

You serious Clark?

[ProudestAnt]

You serious Clark? Yea. Once Harden comes back it's going to be a hell of a race between the Angles and the As. Plus, I have no doubt that neither Toronto nor New York will catch the Sox. They're peaking and troughing is staggered, which means whatever lead the Sox have will carry until at least July which is far too late to make up double digit games...

[Tiduwho]

Yea. Once Harden comes back it's going to be a hell of a race between the Angles and the As. Plus, I have no doubt that neither Toronto nor New York will catch the Sox. They're peaking and troughing is staggered, which means whatever lead the Sox have will carry until at least July which is far too late to make up double digit games...

I dont know, I'm just not sold on the A's. I mean, their pitching is great when healthy (though Fat Joe Blanton is on his way to looking like David Wells), but their hitting after Swisher is just plain mediocre. You really think Detroit and Cleveland aren't going to hang around until the end?

[ProudestAnt]

I dont know, I'm just not sold on the A's. I mean, their pitching is great when healthy (though Fat Joe Blanton is on his way to looking like David Wells), but their hitting after Swisher is just plain mediocre. You really think Detroit and Cleveland aren't going to hang around until the end? I think Cleveland goes as Sabathia goes. As soon as he remembers who he is, they'll begin to fall behind...

[Tiduwho]

I think Cleveland goes as Sabathia goes. As soon as he remembers who he is, they'll begin to fall behind...

Speaking of fat....but yeah he's finally living up to all the hype of him being a "Big Time Starter" in the league. I don't know much about Carmona, but what's up with him? He was 1 and 10 last year, and now he's 6 and 1. Talk about turning the corner.

The problem with Cleveland is they only have 3 and a half pitchers.

[PipeandaCrepe]

You'd better hope you win the division because the wildcard is coming out of the West...

I am not a yankees fan. plus yanks are only a few games back from the wildcard spot. anything can happen still

[crashintonickdm]

another huge win for the phils. CBS power rankings said the phillies had no chance of winning this series between the mets. its funny how people talk then get proven wrong. they also said their bullpen is gonna be a nightmare against a strong mets offense. madison and alfonseca came in and pitched 4 shutout innings and they are pretty nightmareish. i loved it though.

[Ascf33]

Yanks won 2 in a row. Look out Boston!


:lol

[bigeyefish22]

They need too, The Red Sox look good, but people forget the Twins were worse then the White Sox at this point last year, and look at the run they made, in the toughest division in baseball none the less.

the Twins run was unprecedented. I wouldnt expect it to happen again anytime soon.

(unprecedented and magical. the most enjoyable and exciting 4 months of baseball Ive watched since the Twins in 02)

[DmBand801]

another huge win for the phils. CBS power rankings said the phillies had no chance of winning this series between the mets. its funny how people talk then get proven wrong. they also said their bullpen is gonna be a nightmare against a strong mets offense. madison and alfonseca came in and pitched 4 shutout innings and they are pretty nightmareish. i loved it though.

yea you guys are starting to slowly creep back into the division picture--only 6 back ;)

hopfully Chavez won't be out too long...but i wouldn't be surprised seeing as how he couldn't even stand up last night

[VanHorneDog]

ok... who is gunna bet me Peavy wins tonight?

[DmBand801]

heavy rumors between the mets and cubs about a deal including milledge and heolman for zambrano

[VanHorneDog]

heavy rumors between the mets and cubs about a deal including milledge and heolman for zambrano

i think the padres should trade David Wells and Doug Brocail for Zambrano

imagine that rotation in SD! wowza. :lol

[Tiduwho]

There needs to be more jokes/people that rag on Ole Six Fingers Alfonseca. The guy has just forgotten temporarily how much of a bum he is.

[Tiduwho]

heavy rumors between the mets and cubs about a deal including milledge and heolman for zambrano

Is Lastings all of the sudden expendable? They wouldn't trade him for anything a year or two ago.

[Trippin4136]

Is Lastings all of the sudden expendable? They wouldn't trade him for anything a year or two ago.

Yes, he is that expendable.

Between his not-so-stellar performance in AAA this year, his attitude and the emergence of Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez (both younger than Milledge), the Mets would probably with him for something less than a blockbuster deal.

A couple weeks to a month ago, there were low level rumors about Milledge for Saltalamacchia. That just never really turned into anything. But, it should tell you the price the Mets currently have Milledge.

Of course, IMO, I think he can still be a great Major Leaguer. He did things in when I saw him '06 that literally dropped my jaw and again in camp last March. Really, he needs to check his attitude and get serious about baseball. Or else, he may just be a never was.

[DmBand801]

Yes, he is that expendable.

Between his not-so-stellar performance in AAA this year, his attitude and the emergence of Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez (both younger than Milledge), the Mets would probably with him for something less than a blockbuster deal.

A couple weeks to a month ago, there were low level rumors about Milledge for Saltalamacchia. That just never really turned into anything. But, it should tell you the price the Mets currently have Milledge.

Of course, IMO, I think he can still be a great Major Leaguer. He did things in when I saw him '06 that literally dropped my jaw and again in camp last March. Really, he needs to check his attitude and get serious about baseball. Or else, he may just be a never was.

well said jon :thumbsup

[DmBand801]

back to back to back jacks for the mets - 3-2 lead baby!

[SoRight24]

Schill came through with the one hitter today.

Nice win. :thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

heavy rumors between the mets and cubs about a deal including milledge and heolman for zambrano

I don't know... Zambrano's current numbers don't bother me much, since he has such a track record, but I don't particularly want him punching out Lo Duca.

[MistreatedLewis]

Yes, he is that expendable.

Between his not-so-stellar performance in AAA this year, his attitude and the emergence of Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez (both younger than Milledge), the Mets would probably with him for something less than a blockbuster deal.

A couple weeks to a month ago, there were low level rumors about Milledge for Saltalamacchia. That just never really turned into anything. But, it should tell you the price the Mets currently have Milledge.

Of course, IMO, I think he can still be a great Major Leaguer. He did things in when I saw him '06 that literally dropped my jaw and again in camp last March. Really, he needs to check his attitude and get serious about baseball. Or else, he may just be a never was.

Right on with this post. I still think he can be a great player too, but it's pretty obvious that the organization is much higher on Gomez and Martinez (and Beltran, obviously).

BTW, can we please trade Heilman for someone who wants to give him a shot at fucking starting for fuck's sake?!

[MistreatedLewis]

back to back to back jacks for the mets - 3-2 lead baby!

That was awesome! Nice to see Delgado and Wright flex a little muscle in one inning.

[SoRight24]

heavy rumors between the mets and cubs about a deal including milledge and heolman for zambrano

Zambrano is overrated.

Even though the Mets don't really get any use out of Milledge, they shouldn't trade him for big Z.

[Mustang1]

Schill came through with the one hitter today.

Nice win. :thumbsup

too bad he got cocky and shook Varitek off

[DmBand801]

and the bullpen implodes again - the mets let a divison rival come in and sweep them....

[GavMan33]

So, bets on how many runs Farnsworth gives up here? Are the Yankees still leading when he comes out of the game?

EDIT: Apologies, this was supposed to be in the Yankee thread

[LisaH]

Phillies pull out a big win. Sweep.

[VanHorneDog]

padres sweep the dodgers.

WAHOOOOOO!!!! what a comeback.

i am offically a Jonathan Broxton fan, i just ordered my #51 jersey from Dodgers.com

the guy throws 99 MPH (sure they are meatballs for hitters, but damn the kid has an arm)

[justinandimcool]

I was hoping you went to bed so this wouldn't top.

My hand still throbs from punching the wall.

[Tiduwho]

So, bets on how many runs Farnsworth gives up here? Are the Yankees still leading when he comes out of the game?

EDIT: Apologies, this was supposed to be in the Yankee thread

Hey, don't talk bad about Farns to his face...you'll regret it. I'd post the vid I had bookmarked if MLB copyright bs hadn't removed it.

[VanHorneDog]

I was hoping you went to bed so this wouldn't top.

My hand still throbs from punching the wall.

are you kidding. i always stay to the last pitch. :lol

we did this last year too around this time.

you guys did it to us last year in september. that 4 HRs in a row. i was hoping for that, but ill take 2 Errors some infield singles and some clutch fastballs down the middle. :hump

[VanHorneDog]

oh im also investing in a Nomar Red Sox jersey.

[Ev42]

i think the padres should trade David Wells and Doug Brocail for Zambrano

imagine that rotation in SD! wowza. :lol

no way:thumbsdow

[Ev42]

[QUOTE=SoRight24;6134989Zambrano is overrated.

.[/QUOTE]

no just an off year so far

[ProudestAnt]

no just an off year so far No, he's overrated...

[VanHorneDog]

no way:thumbsdow

what, you no like boomer? well doug is a good pen guy. he would be the best part of the deal.

[GavMan33]

The interleague phenomenon. The Phillies visited Kansas City today for the first time since the 1980 World Series. Amazing....

[GavMan33]

So I'm reading redsox.com....

"Giving up just five hits and over eight innings, the sizzling righty, who's making a strong push for his first All-Star berth, is 9-0 with a 2.88 ERA."

Obviously talking about Josh Beckett. But I think the part about a "strong push" is a really stupid thing to say. Look at those numbers; he's been next to unhittable this year, and he's making a "strong push"?

[hearmorphish]

I don't know... Zambrano's current numbers don't bother me much, since he has such a track record, but I don't particularly want him punching out Lo Duca.
never happen. he's gotten big, but Paul would set him straight.

[Tiduwho]

Lmao @ Tim Hudson that fucking piece of trash. 1st pitch of the game he chucks the ball at Soriano's head (who had 3 home runs yesterday), and he's already come around to score.

God Damn do I hate Tim Hudson. Overrated POS. Him chucking the ball at somebody's head on the 1st pitch only further cements it.

[Tiduwho]

Can't wait til the end of the month when Hudson's ERA is over 4.00. And will be for the rest of the year. Like I said in April, he's a bum. He just forgot for a while.

[devilandthelord]

Can't wait til the end of the month when Hudson's ERA is over 4.00. And will be for the rest of the year. Like I said in April, he's a bum. He just forgot for a while.

I hope you're wrong. He's been doing well for me on my fantasy team. :(

[Tiduwho]

I hope you're wrong. He's been doing well for me on my fantasy team. :(

I actually have a bet with somebody on here that he'll finish above 4. Forgot who it was though...whoever wins has to change their Custom Title to reflect Tim Hudson's awesomeness or that's he's diarrhea dick.

[DmBand801]

I hope you're wrong. He's been doing well for me on my fantasy team. :(

same here :thumbsdow

[UNC41]

I'm having a minor league draft for my keeper league right now. If anyone's on throw out some prospects think are can't miss.

[~Crashintome89~]

I'm having a minor league draft for my keeper league right now. If anyone's on throw out some prospects think are can't miss.

Elijah Dukes is good for hitting....his wife.

So is Brett Myers.

[jmudmbphan]

well isnt that what wives are for?

[UNC41]

I ended up with Cameron Maybin, Luke Hochevar, Ried Brignac and Adam Miller.

[jmudmbphan]

yanks have quietly crept back to within 9.5 of the sox..

[PipeandaCrepe]

yanks have quietly crept back to within 9.5 of the sox..

how long till all star break? weren't the yanks quite a few back from the sox a few years ago come halfway point?

[jmudmbphan]

about 20 more games til break..and yeah they were like 6.5 back i think

[DmBand801]

wow...Renteria is an asshole

[CarterUSA1]

Phillies fans... Freddy Garcia has torn labrum and rotator cuff. Supposed to have surgery and be done for the season. WAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!! He sucks.

[lennon2324]

lol thats funny....i would like to know where all the mets fans are that were celebrating winning their divison in the end of april....seems they have all gone away

[Tiduwho]

wow...Renteria is an asshole

Did he say something about intentionally punching a rookie in the nose that did nothing and getting off scot-free?

[neumdogg]

lol thats funny....i would like to know where all the mets fans are that were celebrating winning their divison in the end of april....seems they have all gone away
Kinda nice when my slumping Dodgers can pick up a win against the "mighty" Mets.

[lennon2324]

Kinda nice when my slumping Dodgers can pick up a win against the "mighty" Mets.



keep it going!!!! i love watching them slowly take their caps off and leave the bar early...even though when they start to win again they will be running around with their wright and reyes jerseys. at least i wear my gear all season long

[neumdogg]

keep it going!!!! i love watching them slowly take their caps off and leave the bar early...even though when they start to win again they will be running around with their wright and reyes jerseys. at least i wear my gear all season long
Who is your team?

[FunkyTeaParty]

Did he say something about intentionally punching a rookie in the nose that did nothing and getting off scot-free?

I couldn't believe none of the Phillies stood up for that kid. The world would come off it's axis if A-Rod came into 2nd base like that.

[tedies]

Who wants Adam Dunn?? Will take relievers :rolleyes

[DMBtheStoned]

I couldn't believe none of the Phillies stood up for that kid. The world would come off it's axis if A-Rod came into 2nd base like that.

you mean the cubs ?

[lennon2324]

Who is your team?



lol the yankees...but i stick with him and don't run into the closet when they suck...like most mets famns i know...all the phone calls i got from my mets friends in april aren't really happening anymore....how weird


PS- however when we lost to the angels two years ago in the playoffs i did proceed to take my hat off and burn it on the bar. but i was extremely drunk and depressed....lol...and yes i was "asked to leave" after they put it out

[FunkyTeaParty]

you mean the cubs ?

I do.

[DMBtheStoned]

I do.

figured that ;)

[FunkyTeaParty]

I had never heard of that kid so my frame of reference is thrown off.

I like Renteria, he is on my fantasy team, but the trade was bush league and pretty clearly purposeful. Somebody has got to let him know about it. Especially for a rookie.

[GavMan33]

Who wants Adam Dunn?? Will take relievers :rolleyes

No one wants Dunn. I promise....

[neumdogg]

lol the yankees...but i stick with him and don't run into the closet when they suck...like most mets famns i know...all the phone calls i got from my mets friends in april aren't really happening anymore....how weird


PS- however when we lost to the angels two years ago in the playoffs i did proceed to take my hat off and burn it on the bar. but i was extremely drunk and depressed....lol...and yes i was "asked to leave" after they put it out
Dodgers fans dont get mad when they lose playoff series'. They just put on their Oakland Raider gear and switch to football....ugh, my fans are ghetto.

[crashintome202]

No one wants Dunn. I promise....
i do! i'll give you chris britton and a. Claggett...

[tedies]

No one wants Dunn. I promise....
somebody does I know it. hes good for homers :shrug

[crashintonickdm]

phils are kickin the sox ass.

[GavMan33]

Justin Verlander no-hitter tonight....

[boarderx5423]

Fuck. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

[GOB_]

What's up with all the fucking birds?

[bigeyefish22]

way to go verlander. that kid kinda flies under the radar (thanks, espn) but i think hes the most promising young pitcher in the game (well, at least in the small group). im a twins fan and strongly dislike detroit, but you gotta love something like this.

i noticed the birds as well. hitchcock.

[DmBand801]

the mets suck all of a sudden and its starting to annoy me

[GavMan33]

You know this says a lot. There have been a total of four posts since I posted Verlander got a no-hitter. I posted that after it actually happened, no one had done it first. In the four posts, only one was about Verlander. If it were Schilling or Beckett, or Wang, I'm confident it'd be big talk. Now I'm a Yankee fan, but I don't think it's just ESPN who only cares about Yanks/Red Sox....

[FunkyTeaParty]

the mets suck all of a sudden and its starting to annoy me

...but I thought they won the World Series 3 weeks ago?

[gravedigger13]

You know this says a lot. There have been a total of four posts since I posted Verlander got a no-hitter. I posted that after it actually happened, no one had done it first. In the four posts, only one was about Verlander. If it were Schilling or Beckett, or Wang, I'm confident it'd be big talk. Now I'm a Yankee fan, but I don't think it's just ESPN who only cares about Yanks/Red Sox....

I think Schilling's one-hitter got more attention on this board. :thumbsdow Had this been a Boston or New York no-hitter, we would have inevitably been subjected to adjectives like "magical" and "one for the ages". But no one seems to care about a Tigers no-hitter. And that's fine with me.

My softball team had late games last night, so I stopped watching after Verlander retired the Brewers in the sixth. But you could tell he had his best stuff. The reaction on the faces of their hitters said it all. He is an absolute joy to watch, and I wouldn't trade him for any pitcher in the major leagues.

[ProudestAnt]

I think Schilling's one-hitter got more attention on this board. :thumbsdow Had this been a Boston or New York no-hitter, we would have inevitably been subjected to adjectives like "magical" and "one for the ages". But no one seems to care about a Tigers no-hitter. And that's fine with me.

My softball team had late games last night, so I stopped watching after Verlander retired the Brewers in the sixth. But you could tell he had his best stuff. The reaction on the faces of their hitters said it all. He is an absolute joy to watch, and I wouldn't trade him for any pitcher in the major leagues. :lol :lol

[gravedigger13]

:lol :lol

What's so funny? I can't think of a pitcher that I would rather have. Regularly hits high-90's on the gun; throws a knee-buckling curve. What's not to love?

[ProudestAnt]

What's so funny? I can't think of a pitcher that I would rather have. Regularly hits high-90's on the gun; throws a knee-buckling curve. What's not to love? I can name 10 pitchers off the top of my head I'd rather have than Verlander:

Beckett
Santana
Liriano
Peavy
Sheets
Penny
Hamels
Bailey
Lincecum
Kazmir
Halladay

I can probably keep going if I think about it...

[bigeyefish22]

I can name 10 pitchers off the top of my head I'd rather have than Verlander:

Beckett
Santana
Liriano
Peavy
Sheets
Penny
Hamels
Bailey
Lincecum
Kazmir
Halladay

I can probably keep going if I think about it...

youre wrong. two of my twins are on there (and i appreciate that) but you are very clearly wrong.

[ProudestAnt]

youre wrong. two of my twins are on there (and i appreciate that) but you are very clearly wrong. Why, because he threw a no-no? Nomo threw 2 of them, does that mean you'd rather take him over anyone else who was pitching in the league then (including Rocket, Unit, and Pedro in their primes)? Show me some stats and prove me wrong before you tell me that I'm "clearly wrong"

[gravedigger13]

I can name 10 pitchers off the top of my head I'd rather have than Verlander:

Beckett
Santana
Liriano
Peavy
Sheets
Penny
Hamels
Bailey
Lincecum
Kazmir
Halladay

I can probably keep going if I think about it...

I think you forgot to mention Schilling, Tavares, Wakefield, and Daisuke. :D


But seriously, we're each entitled to our own opinion. I think the only pitcher on the list who would be a clear upgrade is Santana. I forgot about him. But I'm a little mystified as to why Homer Bailey and Lincecum would make the list. At least wait a season until they've had a chance to prove themselves. And don't you think regularly facing teams in the AL Central counts for something? There are six pitchers on that list who pitch in the National League, which is clearly inferior to the AL.

[ProudestAnt]

Hey, we're each entitled to our own opinion. I think the only pitcher on the list who would be a clear upgrade is Santana. I forgot about him. But I'm a little mystified as to why Homer Bailey and Lincecum would make the list. At least wait a season until they've had a chance to prove themselves. And don't you think regularly facing teams in the AL Central counts for something? There are six pitchers on that list who pitch in the National League, which is clearly inferior to the AL. I would argue that the NL West is a better division than the AL West. And the AL central is a great division for hitters, but they're not exactly facing stone-walled defenses in that division either, which doesn't help the pitching. When's the last time a gold glove was won in the AL Central and NOT by a pitcher or a catcher or Torii Hunter?

[Lcsulla]

Dodgers fans dont get mad when they lose playoff series'. They just put on their Oakland Raider gear and switch to football....ugh, my fans are ghetto.

How's that one going? Yanks lose in the playoffs and I am pretty much resigned to no sports for a few months. As a lifelong Raider fan I will be the first to say that they just suck. :lol

PA -I'd say Verlander is roughly equal to a Pettitte/Hudson type pitcher right about now; admittedly younger and harder throwing though.

[GOB_]

I think Schilling's one-hitter got more attention on this board. :thumbsdow Had this been a Boston or New York no-hitter, we would have inevitably been subjected to adjectives like "magical" and "one for the ages". But no one seems to care about a Tigers no-hitter. And that's fine with me.

What are you talking about? This was discussed in three separate threads, one in which was created specifically for this topic titled, "No hitter." That's more than what Schilling got.

[gravedigger13]

I would argue that the NL West is a better division than the AL West. And the AL central is a great division for hitters, but they're not exactly facing stone-walled defenses in that division either, which doesn't help the pitching. When's the last time a gold glove was won in the AL Central and NOT by a pitcher or a catcher or Torii Hunter?

Gold Glove winners have nothing to do with how Verlander stacks up against other pitchers.

[gravedigger13]

What are you talking about? This was discussed in three separate threads, one in which was created specifically for this topic titled, "No hitter." That's more than what Schilling got.

When I said this board, I meant this thread.

[GOB_]

When I said this board, I meant this thread.

Again, that's because the dicussion is taking place in two other threads.

[ProudestAnt]

Gold Glove winners have nothing to do with how Verlander stacks up against other pitchers. I was giving the kid some credit for throwing a no-no in a piss-poor defensive division...

[GOB_]

i noticed the birds as well. hitchcock.

And they weren't just in this game. They were in Cleveland on Monday and I believe in New York (Mets) last week. All fucking seagulls. I hate those birds.

[bigeyefish22]

Why, because he threw a no-no? Nomo threw 2 of them, does that mean you'd rather take him over anyone else who was pitching in the league then (including Rocket, Unit, and Pedro in their primes)? Show me some stats and prove me wrong before you tell me that I'm "clearly wrong"

He's last years rookie of the year, he's 24 and he's 7-2 this year. the most valuable pitchers in the league are the youngest ones with the highest upside. verlanders upside is just as high if not higher than any other young pitcher in the game right now. thats a guy you dont trade for anyone under any circumstances.

[gravedigger13]

Again, that's because the dicussion is taking place in two other threads.

Okay, I was replying to someone who posted that there was hardly any mention of the no-hitter in this thread, and...you know what? I don't know why I'm even bothering to explain myself. It doesn't really matter.

[gravedigger13]

And they weren't just in this game. They were in Cleveland on Monday and I believe in New York (Mets) last week. All fucking seagulls. I hate those birds.

Moths. That is the problem.

[bigeyefish22]

though, as youre a red sox fan, i could understand if your idea of building a team is different from the majority of MLB franchises.

[ProudestAnt]

He's last years rookie of the year, he's 24 and he's 7-2 this year. the most valuable pitchers in the league are the youngest ones with the highest upside. verlanders upside is just as high if not higher than any other young pitcher in the game right now. thats a guy you dont trade for anyone under any circumstances. Oh well, he was rookie of the year. Let's annoint him now as the best in the game. You, as a Twins fan, of all people should know the only reason he won that award was because Liriano went down. Verlander has no upside anymore. He showed last year how good he was going to be. He won't put up better numbers than that. 17-9, 3.63 ERA. The only thing he may do is lower that ERA. He peaked too soon and there are young kids out there who have better stuff than him who are just starting to know their potential (Lincecum, Bailey, Hamels, Gallardo)...

[GOB_]

Okay, I was replying to someone who posted that there was hardly any mention of the no-hitter in this thread, and...you know what? I don't know why I'm even bothering to explain myself. It doesn't really matter.

I meant to include Bob's original post in this as well. Apparently, it did matter. I was just explaining why there wasn't more discussion in this thread and I didn't understand why you guys were complaining.

[Lcsulla]

though, as youre a red sox fan, i could understand if your idea of building a team is different from the majority of MLB franchises.

Yeah, stupid Red Sox and their astronomic payroll! They're just like the Mets! :lol

[ProudestAnt]

though, as youre a red sox fan, i could understand if your idea of building a team is different from the majority of MLB franchises. Oh, good one. Because the Sox aren't winning right now with young arms and legs (Youkilis, Pedroia, Beckett, Papelbon, Crisp, Pena, Lester, Buchholz, Bowden, Ellsbury)

[GOB_]

Moths. That is the problem.

Thank you. I feel much better now.

[ProudestAnt]

Yeah, stupid Red Sox and their astronomic payroll! They're just like the Mets! :lol HEY. You hush there, you...

[bigeyefish22]

Oh well, he was rookie of the year. Let's annoint him now as the best in the game. You, as a Twins fan, of all people should know the only reason he won that award was because Liriano went down. Verlander has no upside anymore. He showed last year how good he was going to be. He won't put up better numbers than that. 17-9, 3.63 ERA. The only thing he may do is lower that ERA. He peaked too soon and there are young kids out there who have better stuff than him who are just starting to know their potential (Lincecum, Bailey, Hamels, Gallardo)...

I dont see how he no longer has upside. is it because of how well he's doing? if so, what if he maintains? with young pitchers its always kind of a minefield, but im encouraged by his success, his age and the relative number of innings he's thrown. if they can keep his innings down for a year or two i think he's in good shape.

[ProudestAnt]

He threw 186 innings last year and is on pace to top that this year. He's going to be burned out in 2-3 years at this pace...

[bigeyefish22]

Oh, good one. Because the Sox aren't winning right now with young arms and legs (Youkilis, Pedroia, Beckett, Papelbon, Crisp, Pena, Lester, Buchholz, Bowden, Ellsbury)

im not trying to zing you here - its a fact that your team is in the small group of teams willing to spend whatever. organization building is diff. for them than it is for most teams

[ProudestAnt]

im not trying to zing you here - its a fact that your team is in the small group of teams willing to spend whatever. organization building is diff. for them than it is for most teams Not neccessarily because Theo really does want his young guys to play. If it weren't for Lowell having to be included in the Beckett deal, we'd have Youk playing first, Andy Marte playing third and Jacoby Ellsbury in CF and have possbily the best young lineup in the majors. Instead, Marte was expendable, which allowed us to get Crisp unfortunately and keep Ellsbury in the minors for two more years. Not really about money, but more about having a perennial gold glover being forced on you and not being able to justify benching him...

[Lcsulla]

im not trying to zing you here - its a fact that your team is in the small group of teams willing to spend whatever. organization building is diff. for them than it is for most teams

Far be it from me to defend the Sox but their model is worthy of emulation. They spend the money to put a quality product on the field. I can't speak for PA but personally I am happy to have an owner (management) willing to spend money to better the team instead of using the team to increase profits for a select few.

[Trippin4136]

He threw 186 innings last year and is on pace to top that this year. He's going to be burned out in 2-3 years at this pace...

From age 23-26, Roger Clemens threw 253+ innings each season.

Who knows if he'll be burned out.

However, to your previous point about his numbers, I see no reason why he couldn't do better than 17-9. His fastball speaks for itself, he has a plus curve and a plus-plus changeup. If/when he really develops a 4th pitch, he could be dominant every year.

It's all about his mechanics. Liriano flamed out last year b/c his motion was all arm. He didn't put much of his body into his delivery. Verlander is a true over-the-top right hander that uses a lot of his lower-half in his delivery. Those signs point to a successful career. But, of course, I can't say that without saying that in baseball, and pitcher's arms, who knows when the end could happen. That caveat applies to all pitchers.

[ProudestAnt]

And I've stated this before and stand by my convictions. I feel that owners should be forced to spend AT LEAST what they bring in in terms of luxury tax and revenue sharing. Too many owners are pocketing money which is causing their franchise and their fans to suffer. See: Minnesota, KC, Tampa, Washington, etc...

[Lcsulla]

Agreed. People talk about a cap but what would really benefit MLB is a floor.

[Trippin4136]

And I've stated this before and stand by my convictions. I feel that owners should be forced to spend AT LEAST what they bring in in terms of luxury tax and revenue sharing. Too many owners are pocketing money which is causing their franchise and their fans to suffer. See: Minnesota, KC, Tampa, Washington, etc...

Agreed :thumbsup

The Marlins had a $14 million payroll last year. That's unacceptable in my opinion.

[gravedigger13]

Thank you. I feel much better now.

Just lettin' you know.

[ProudestAnt]

From age 23-26, Roger Clemens threw 253+ innings each season.

Who knows if he'll be burned out.

However, to your previous point about his numbers, I see no reason why he couldn't do better than 17-9. His fastball speaks for itself, he has a plus curve and a plus-plus changeup. If/when he really develops a 4th pitch, he could be dominant every year.

It's all about his mechanics. Liriano flamed out last year b/c his motion was all arm. He didn't put much of his body into his delivery. Verlander is a true over-the-top right hander that uses a lot of his lower-half in his delivery. Those signs point to a successful career. But, of course, I can't say that without saying that in baseball, and pitcher's arms, who knows when the end could happen. That caveat applies to all pitchers. Actually from 23 - 29 Clemens went: 254.0, 281.2, 264.0, 253.1, 228.1, 278.1, and 246.2. First, we all know that Clemens is and always has been a freak of nature. Second, he followed those years with a combined 40-40 record and a high 3 ERA before moving to Toronto at the age of 34. He wore down after all those innings. And with Verlander's delivery, he's going to start wearing towards the end of the season like he did last year. He's going to overcompensate with his arm and with the over-the-top delivery, he very well may tear every tendon and ligament in his shoulder/elbow...

[ProudestAnt]

Agreed :thumbsup

The Marlins had a $14 million payroll last year. That's unacceptable in my opinion. And how much of that was Miggy?

[Trippin4136]

Actually from 23 - 29 Clemens went: 254.0, 281.2, 264.0, 253.1, 228.1, 278.1, and 246.2. First, we all know that Clemens is and always has been a freak of nature. Second, he followed those years with a combined 40-40 record and a high 3 ERA before moving to Toronto at the age of 34. He wore down after all those innings. And with Verlander's delivery, he's going to start wearing towards the end of the season like he did last year. He's going to overcompensate with his arm and with the over-the-top delivery, he very well may tear every tendon and ligament in his shoulder/elbow...

I think the fact that he'd never pitched over 150 innings is what caused him to wear down last year.

As far as him tearing anything, like I said, it could happen to any pitcher, any time. I think there are probably a half dozen or so pitchers his age that I would take before him, but he certainly looks, right now, like he'll have a strong career.

[ProudestAnt]

I think the fact that he'd never pitched over 150 innings is what caused him to wear down last year.

As far as him tearing anything, like I said, it could happen to any pitcher, any time. I think there are probably a half dozen or so pitchers his age that I would take before him, but he certainly looks, right now, like he'll have a strong career. I agree. Well put as always. :thumbsup

[bigeyefish22]

Far be it from me to defend the Sox but their model is worthy of emulation. They spend the money to put a quality product on the field. I can't speak for PA but personally I am happy to have an owner (management) willing to spend money to better the team instead of using the team to increase profits for a select few.

i dont mean to denegrate the red sox approach - its obviously quite effective; its also relatively unique in mlb because of their resources

[Lcsulla]

i dont mean to denegrate the red sox approach - its obviously quite effective; its also relatively unique in mlb because of their resources

But they wouldn't have those resources if the team didn't draw fans and sell merchandise. As with anything it takes spending money to make money.

[GOB_]

Just lettin' you know.

I was being sincere.

[bigeyefish22]

But they wouldn't have those resources if the team didn't draw fans and sell merchandise. As with anything it takes spending money to make money.

the point was that their organization building is different. im not looking for an explanation or defense of their resources.

[gravedigger13]

I was being sincere.

I thought you were being sarcastic. :D

[gravedigger13]

He's going to overcompensate with his arm and with the over-the-top delivery, he very well may tear every tendon and ligament in his shoulder/elbow...

That's a pretty brash prediction, don't you think?

[UNC41]

Like I said last night, it's a heck of an accomplishment. Congrats to Verlander. Still, a no-hitter doesn't automatically vault him to the best pitcher in baseball like some want to. Heck, I find C.C. Sabathia's two consecutive 9 inning, 0 run performances more impressive.

I think Verlander is a very good young pitcher, but like many said there are numerous pitchers I'd take over him in baseball right now. I'd love to have him on my team though.

[neumdogg]

2 for 2 against the Mets! Not so bad! Back to back to back homeruns on consecutive pitches, one being the pitcher?! Good job, Maine!

[GavMan33]

Like I said last night, it's a heck of an accomplishment. Congrats to Verlander. Still, a no-hitter doesn't automatically vault him to the best pitcher in baseball like some want to. Heck, I find C.C. Sabathia's two consecutive 9 inning, 0 run performances more impressive.

I think Verlander is a very good young pitcher, but like many said there are numerous pitchers I'd take over him in baseball right now. I'd love to have him on my team though.

:thumbsup Doc Gooden threw a no-hitter too. So did Don Larson, although his situation is slightly different :lol

[DmBand801]

...but I thought they won the World Series 3 weeks ago?

:confused

[GavMan33]

...but I thought they won the World Series 3 weeks ago?

:rolleyes 1986 was 3 years ago? Wow, I sure am big for only being 4 years old :rolleyes

[DmBand801]

2 for 2 against the Mets! Not so bad! Back to back to back homeruns on consecutive pitches, one being the pitcher?! Good job, Maine!

fuck Kuo and his bat-flip like hes Brett boone

[ProudestAnt]

That's a pretty brash prediction, don't you think? If his legs begin to wear, he will overcompensate with his arm. That's what happens...

[~Crashintome89~]

Sick sweep of the White Sox. Here we come Mets, t00t t00t.

[crashintome202]

This Year:
Miguel Cairo OPS: 587
Julio Lugo OPS: 596

what a way to spend 32 million dollars lol

[GavMan33]

This Year:
Miguel Cairo OPS: 587
Julio Lugo OPS: 596

what a way to spend 32 million dollars lol

So does this mean you're finally jumping on the Miguel Cairo bandwagon?

[bigeyefish22]

in response to someone saying the al central sucks at fielding: the twins have the 3rd fewest errors and are tied for 2nd in fielding % in mlb

[VanHorneDog]

although my padres have lost the last 4 games. sad i know.

they are starting to hit. watch out!

[GOB_]

although my padres have lost the last 4 games. sad i know.

they are starting to hit. watch out!

I wouldn't get too excited. They're going up against the second worst pitching staff in baseball (maybe the worst after tonight) and probably the worst starter in the league with Edwin Jackson. :thumbsup :lol

[UNC41]

I wouldn't get too excited. They're going up against the second worst pitching staff in baseball (maybe the worst after tonight) and probably the worst starter in the league with Edwin Jackson. :thumbsup :lol

I'd be excited every time Peavy stepped onto the mound if I was a Padres fan. Another gem tonight.

[Ascf33]

8 games back after tongiht....

lolz at Yankee haters.

[GOB_]

I'd be excited every time Peavy stepped onto the mound if I was a Padres fan. Another gem tonight.

Now that I can agree with. Tampa can actually score some runs.

[VanHorneDog]

I wouldn't get too excited. They're going up against the second worst pitching staff in baseball (maybe the worst after tonight) and probably the worst starter in the league with Edwin Jackson. :thumbsup :lol

shhhhhhhhhhh

im not expecting 9 runs every night, but give us 4 or 5 and by gosh i think we are going to win a LOT of games.

i think we averaged almost 3.5 a game in may.

we also scored a few over the weekend too against the mariners. just got unlucky. :shrug

but the bats started to pick up against the brewers when we swept them and have kept going. so :thumbsup

[VanHorneDog]

8 games back after tongiht....

lolz at Yankee haters.

why are you laughing at yankee haters? they still hate the yankees. W or L they still hate the yankees.

so either way you arent making a point. i still hate the yankees. i just think it was funny they stunk soo much for a while considering the pay roll, now they are living up to some potential. :lol

[Ascf33]

why are you laughing at yankee haters? they still hate the yankees. W or L they still hate the yankees.

so either way you arent making a point. i still hate the yankees. i just think it was funny they stunk soo much for a while considering the pay roll, now they are living up to some potential. :lol

But the question is... did you write them off? I was using the "haters" part in that sense. Haters are always going to hate, I know this, but to write off a team in MAY is a mistake.

To write off the YANKEES in May... well that is just plain retarded.

[neumdogg]

But the question is... did you write them off? I was using the "haters" part in that sense. Haters are always going to hate, I know this, but to write off a team in MAY is a mistake.

To write off the YANKEES in May... well that is just plain retarded.
I'm a Yankee "indifferenter"

[Ascf33]

I'm a Yankee "indifferenter"

I would enjoy watching any baseball team play a game... except the Red Sox. I just can't stand anything about their team or their fans.

[bigeyefish22]

I would enjoy watching any baseball team play a game... except the Red Sox. I just can't stand anything about their team or their fans.

Correct.

[ProudestAnt]

Correct. That's enough out of you...

[bigeyefish22]

why are red sox fans so defensive? you've got one of the most successful teams around today...

[GOB_]

shhhhhhhhhhh

im not expecting 9 runs every night, but give us 4 or 5 and by gosh i think we are going to win a LOT of games.

i think we averaged almost 3.5 a game in may.

Well, they're lucky that they don't have to face the Rays' best pitcher this year.

[ProudestAnt]

I get defensive towards anyone who dislikes/hates a team for no reason...

[neumdogg]

I would enjoy watching any baseball team play a game... except the Red Sox. I just can't stand anything about their team or their fans.
That is how I feel about the SF Giants. I'm DEFINITELY a hater!

[bigeyefish22]

i dont hate the red sox. i actually kinda pulled for them before, about, 03 or 04. but then they started getting nicknames and strategic hairstyles and big personalities and they won one and they made commercials and went on tv shows and alot of their fans became arrogant but still defensive (basically insufferable).

right about then was when alot of people started to really dislike the red sox.

[bigeyefish22]

but, shit, if i were a red sox fan id wear it proudly. i do that with one of my teams which is in pretty much the same boat (in its little niche).

[ProudestAnt]

i dont hate the red sox. i actually kinda pulled for them before, about, 03 or 04. but then they started getting nicknames and strategic hairstyles and big personalities and they won one and they made commercials and went on tv shows and alot of their fans became arrogant but still defensive (basically insufferable).

right about then was when alot of people started to really dislike the red sox. You realize you just described the Yankees and the Sox at the same time, right?

[crashintome202]

So does this mean you're finally jumping on the Miguel Cairo bandwagon?
haha no and im far from it. this just shows how bad lugo is. our back up IF is about as good as the sox starting SS

[devilandthelord]

You realize you just described the Yankees and the Sox at the same time, right?

Yeah, I can feel a distaste for both nearly equally now.
I know what he means.

[VanHorneDog]

But the question is... did you write them off? I was using the "haters" part in that sense. Haters are always going to hate, I know this, but to write off a team in MAY is a mistake.

To write off the YANKEES in May... well that is just plain retarded.

no i didnt, i was just enjoying the pain that the yankees went though. i had no doubt they would finish above 500.

Well, they're lucky that they don't have to face the Rays' best pitcher this year.


who is that?

we faced Kazmir yesterday, he is their ace right? that guy has some good stuff.

[GavMan33]

But the question is... did you write them off? I was using the "haters" part in that sense. Haters are always going to hate, I know this, but to write off a team in MAY is a mistake.

To write off the YANKEES in May... well that is just plain retarded.

That's not exactly accurate sir. I think most of us here wrote off a handful of teams in March. The Pirates and Royals come to mind....

[GavMan33]

why are red sox fans so defensive? you've got one of the most successful teams around today...

I get defensive towards anyone who dislikes/hates a team for no reason...

I'm sure he has his reasons, as do I. Although I do see what you're saying. Here's my thought, for what it's worth. I hate the Red Sox. I'm a Yankees fan. Ryan, you are a Red Sox fan. You hate the Yankees. I'm down with that. It's those other fellas in the country who root for like the Devil Rays, or someone like that, and hates the Red Sox or Yankees. And they hate these teams (mostly the Yanks) because they win, and have done so for years. I got issues with that....

[crashintonickdm]

yeah phillies!

[GavMan33]

haha no and im far from it. this just shows how bad lugo is. our back up IF is about as good as the sox starting SS

Maybe you'll come around when Cairo breaks out for a 25-homer season :lol :lorraine

[GOB_]

who is that?

we faced Kazmir yesterday, he is their ace right? that guy has some good stuff.

Actually, so far this year, it's James Shields. He's been their most consistent pitcher, by far, going 6-0 with 10 quality starts.

[GOB_]

I'm sure he has his reasons, as do I. Although I do see what you're saying. Here's my thought, for what it's worth. I hate the Red Sox. I'm a Yankees fan. Ryan, you are a Red Sox fan. You hate the Yankees. I'm down with that. It's those other fellas in the country who root for like the Devil Rays, or someone like that, and hates the Red Sox or Yankees. And they hate these teams (mostly the Yanks) because they win, and have done so for years. I got issues with that....

I root for the Devil Rays. Maybe the people who root for the Rays are just pissed because their owner spends as much money on their team as the Yankees spend on one player (times four). :shrug

I'll always be a Yankees' fan though - originally from upstate NY.

[bigeyefish22]

You realize you just described the Yankees and the Sox at the same time, right?

I could definitely see how anyone could say that, especially a red sox fan. personally i can tolerate the yankees more because i like a few of their players (and love torre and jeter) and some things about the org. and i think, fairly or not, red sox fans are given a bad name because of all the bandwagoners (since the WS win) and their fans are construed as less knowledgeable about the game. Now, thats clearly unfair - there are knowledgeable, diehard fans for (almost) every team and idiots as well; the red sox 'fans' who dont know shit are just more prominent or common (especially, i would imagine, out here in middle america).

[DmBand801]

what the fuck is going on with the Mets? the yankees are the worse thing that can happen to this team right now, prepare for another sweep.

[Ascf33]

who is that?

we faced Kazmir yesterday, he is their ace right? that guy has some good stuff.

I think Shields is their best pitcher this year.

[Rockhound18]

The Yankees have been tearing it up. Their schedule looks pretty nice for the next month and a half as well. If they keep this up they will close the gap on the Sox pretty fast. What was the biggest lead the Sox had anyways, wasnt it like 15 games? Its nearly half of that now at 8 1/2.

[Ascf33]

The Yankees have been tearing it up. Their schedule looks pretty nice for the next month and a half as well. If they keep this up they will close the gap on the Sox pretty fast. What was the biggest lead the Sox had anyways, wasnt it like 15 games? Its nearly half of that now at 8 1/2.

15 days ago, the Yankees were 14.5 games back.

[Rockhound18]

15 days ago, the Yankees were 14.5 games back.

Imagine if the pace stays the same and they are only 2.5 back 2 weeks from now. If they keep it up and the Mets dont pick it up before the weekend is over, I can see it happening because their schedule is pretty soft for the next few weeks.

Do you think the red sox fans have any reason to be nervous at this point? I'd say no, but then again, it is the Yankees and they have seen leads this size slip away in the past.

[Trippin4136]

Given the Yankees talent, 8.5 is in no way insurmountable.

If they are around 5 GB by the ASB, look out.

That being said, they still can't afford another lull.

[Lcsulla]

A week ago I would have been happy to be back single digits by the ASB.

[FunkyTeaParty]

I was hoping for 7 or 8 out at the break. I would still sign for that.

[boarderx5423]

It's nice to see Bill Hall finally doing something.

I'm still holding out that the Brewers' start wasn't a fluke...

[Ascf33]

Do you think the red sox fans have any reason to be nervous at this point? I'd say no, but then again, it is the Yankees and they have seen leads this size slip away in the past.

Not yet, but if they stay this hot after the all-star break, they should be. I still stand by my posts about a month ago saying the Yankees will win the East and the Red Sox will not make the playoffs.

[neumdogg]

Nice sweep of the Mets. Now to play the best team in baseball...the Angels.

[SmoothD41]

brewers are calling up top prospect Yovani Gallardo to replace Capuano (DL).....this guy is supposedly the real deal, he has been absolutely destroying the competition in the minors.

[VanHorneDog]

man, we need some trades to talk about. the dodgers and padres both need a bat or two.

the yankees need pitching.

come on... im sure the yankees can deal a-rod for a starter. :lol

[bigeyefish22]

trade talk?

ive heard from the minny newspapers that the twins may pursue ty wigginton to bolster their lineup.

[lennon2324]

man, we need some trades to talk about. the dodgers and padres both need a bat or two.

the yankees need pitching.

come on... im sure the yankees can deal a-rod for a starter. :lol



i think a rod is gonna stay put....i actually wouldn't mind moving melky but doubt that we could get too much for him

[Ascf33]

Giambi will be gone, could you see the Yanks making a move for Helton this year?

[Trippin4136]

Giambi will be gone, could you see the Yanks making a move for Helton this year?

I could see that. I think Selig is doing his best to black-list Giambi.

[Ascf33]

I could see that. I think Selig is doing his best to black-list Giambi.

yeap. I think he'll be gone for the rest of the year. Yanks will void the remainder of his contract. We'll have Ciaro and Phelps at 1B till Menk gets healthy. I think the Yanks could push to get Helton THIS year.

They really are the only team that could take on that bloated contract.

[gravedigger13]

Tigers need bullpen help.

[DmBand801]

the subway series is always fun: LET'S GO METS

[lennon2324]

yeap. I think he'll be gone for the rest of the year. Yanks will void the remainder of his contract. We'll have Ciaro and Phelps at 1B till Menk gets healthy. I think the Yanks could push to get Helton THIS year.

They really are the only team that could take on that bloated contract.



i don't think they will go for him. i don't really want them to either. i don't think he would be a great fit. i'd rather see them push for zambrano hafner or andruw jones since it seems pretty sure that neither of them will take on new contracts with their teams.

[lennon2324]

PS- i love cairo at first right now

[Ascf33]

I've been a Helton fan for a long time now. I thought he was the best player in the league for several years. He's getting older now, but I think he would fit in well with the Yanks, just like Abreu did, since he doesn't have to be the face of the franchise anymore.

I would just hate for the Yanks to shell out all that money though for him to suck.

[Groovylou8]

Tigers need bullpen help.

tell me about it... the bullpen alone cost us AT LEAST two out of three vs. the brewers. i don't know how probable it is to move a starter (miller) back there, but we NEED the help bad. i was hearing too possibly trading maroth for a couple of relievers. hopefully having minor back will help too. especially since it's sounding like zumaya is done for the season. and fuck ledezma and jones.

[Trippin4136]

tell me about it... the bullpen alone cost us AT LEAST two out of three vs. the brewers. i don't know how probable it is to move a starter (miller) back there, but we NEED the help bad. i was hearing too possibly trading maroth for a couple of relievers. hopefully having minor back will help too. especially since it's sounding like zumaya is done for the season. and fuck ledezma and jones.

:lol...sorry don't mean to laugh, it's just funny you said that as the game the Tigers did win, was a no-hitter.

[Tiduwho]

tell me about it... the bullpen alone cost us AT LEAST two out of three vs. the brewers. i don't know how probable it is to move a starter (miller) back there, but we NEED the help bad. i was hearing too possibly trading maroth for a couple of relievers. hopefully having minor back will help too. especially since it's sounding like zumaya is done for the season. and fuck ledezma and jones.

Yeah...come on now. You can't lose to the Crew like that. They need to be stomped down.

[Tiduwho]

Question: Any reason NOT to throw at Bonds tonight?


Show him some Fenway Love. :thumbsup

[neumdogg]

My buddy who runs this site (http://boycottbarry.com) will be at Fenway in full force tonight!

[DavefaninNZ]

yeap. I think he'll be gone for the rest of the year. Yanks will void the remainder of his contract. We'll have Ciaro and Phelps at 1B till Menk gets healthy. I think the Yanks could push to get Helton THIS year.

They really are the only team that could take on that bloated contract.

It won't happen, since helton has a full no-trade clause and has told friends he would never play for the yankees.

[Tiduwho]

Scott Spiezio for Cy Young?

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.00

[boarderx5423]

Question: Any reason NOT to throw at Bonds every night?

Nope. None at all.

[lennon2324]

i second that....screw him

[SatelliteEyes]

Make-A-Wish Foundation asked to Punch Barry Bonds in the Nuts

AMES, IA--Members of the Make-A-Wish Foundation struggled to come up with a response to a dying 9-year-old boy’s request that they punch slugger Barry Bonds in the nuts repeatedly. The boy, Danny Wickman of Ames, Iowa, reportedly hates Bonds and wants nothing more than to see him in debilitating pain. The director of the foundation said that it was the first such request that he had ever received.

“That’s a first. Obviously the kid really hates Barry Bonds, as a lot of people do, but I don’t know if we can comply with his request,” said Charles Hopkinton, managing director of Make-A-Wish. “We’ll have to call Barry and see if he’s OK with it. I mean, it is his dying wish, so we should do everything we can to make it happen. What really strikes me though, is the fact that he [Danny] isn’t even interested in doing it himself. He's happy just to watch someone else do it. Now that’s hatred.”
...

http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/makeawish_full.htm

[jmudmbphan]

Hahahahahhahahaa

[--Soma--]

Last night was fucking glorious. Oliver!!

[ProudestAnt]

Keep it goin Mets, we can't help ourselves, so we really could use some help from others...

[Tiduwho]

It hasn't been pretty by a long shot....but Zambrano has a no-no through 7.

[GOB_]

You know you just fucked it up, right? :lol

[DmBand801]

thats the cubs for ya

[malarks26]

Good win for the Yanks today. :thumbsup

[VanHorneDog]

Good win for the Yanks today. :thumbsup

any win is a good win

good win for the padres today. :lol

[DmBand801]

any win is a good win

good win for the padres today. :lol

i told my dad after the 7th inning that the cubs would find a way to lose 1-0 and that zambrano would give up 1 hit which would be a HR - i was nearly right ;)

[hearmorphish]

beltran's a dick

[GOB_]

Don't pitchers generally want their hand to be dry while pitching for better grip, hence the use of the rosin bag? I noticed in yesterday's game that Matsuzaka wiped the perspiration off of his neck with his pitching hand at least a half-dozen times in between pitches. Why does he do that?

[DmBand801]

beltran's a dick

0 for 6 = :BANG

[VanHorneDog]

Don't pitchers generally want their hand to be dry while pitching for better grip, hence the use of the rosin bag? I noticed in yesterday's game that Matsuzaka wiped the perspiration off of his neck with his pitching hand at least a half-dozen times in between pitches. Why does he do that?

to make sure his hand doesnt dry up?

i mean, you dont want a wet hand, but you also dont want a dry one. the ball will slip that way and end up hitting derek lee on his hand, then he thinks you did it at his head. tries to punch you and gets you ejected.

[--Soma--]

beltran's a dick

beltran is seriously worrying me... he isn't doing anything in the clutch and just looks pathetic out there. and coming out and trying to say he's been shitty because his leg still hurts is lame. if you're hurt, go onthe DL, if not shut up and play.

[GOB_]

to make sure his hand doesnt dry up?

i mean, you dont want a wet hand, but you also dont want a dry one. the ball will slip that way and end up hitting derek lee on his hand, then he thinks you did it at his head. tries to punch you and gets you ejected.

Mabe his hand doesn't perspire enough to get the right balance?

[VanHorneDog]

Mabe his hand doesn't perspire enough to get the right balance?


yes, sounds about right.

[Trippin4136]

How in the hell does Seattle rack up 15 hits and score only 3 runs? In Minute Maid Park no less...

Secondly, absolutely big props have to go Brandon Watson of the Columbus Clipppers. Today, he broke the 95-year-old hit streak record of the International League - now 43 games and counting.

[devilandthelord]

Quick current events baseball trivia question.

Which player has the longest current hitting streak and longest streak of the season so far?










































Those of you that said Casey Blake/26 games get the most delicious chocolate chip cookie ever made.

[ProudestAnt]

How's that bet you and I made about Hafner lookin?

[--Soma--]

When Hafner gets back on track it's going to be a tear the likes of which we have only dreamed. The man is too good to stay down.

[Ascf33]

Yankees.

[DmBand801]

beltran is seriously worrying me... he isn't doing anything in the clutch and just looks pathetic out there.

and with Delgado's off year, its not getting any better...Wright and Reyes can't carry this team yet. It would also be nice if Glavine held a lead they gave him

[Trippin4136]

Honestly, I think Beltran is on his last strings with New York in general.

From my perspective, he couldn't have anymore "who's gives a shit" type swings in a 3 game stretch.

He was the go-ahead run on Saturday with Rivera pitching, and that swing he put on the ball which he popped up was totally effortless.

[jmudmbphan]

glad we didnt pick him up when we were considering it

[DmBand801]

he blames the play on his bum knee..but he looks fine running down fly balls--hitting is a different story thats getting frustrating everytime he strikes out in the clutch

[DmBand801]

this article sums it up

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spwally185260914jun18,0,932558.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines

[Trippin4136]

this article sums it up

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spwally185260914jun18,0,932558.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines

Yes, that article does sum it up well.

He is providing the absolute worst ROI out of any $12+ million player in baseball.

I remember watching that game when he K'ed looking v. Wainright.

I couldn't BELIEVE he just stared at strike 3 in that situation with such enormous magnitude.

The guy just doesn't care, plain and simple. Which is sad considering he has a ridiculous amount of natural talent.

As for his quad, he doesn't chase down that sinking line drive bullet of a sac fly A-Rod hit last night if has a bum quad. Which after catching, he just trotted into a wide 180 degree turn without any urgency to throw the ball. Yes, the ball was deep and Abreu would score anyway, but that non-attempt spoke volumes to me.

[DmBand801]

I remember watching that game when he K'ed looking v. Wainright.

I couldn't BELIEVE he just stared at strike 3 in that situation with such enormous magnitude.

The guy just doesn't care, plain and simple. Which is sad considering he has a ridiculous amount of natural talent.

fucking curveball--if your beltran, you need to know that breaking ball is coming on 0-2...almost everyone else watching at home did like me :BANG

[Cee-ville]

this article sums it up

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spwally185260914jun18,0,932558.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines



"...the New York team with the kinder, gentler fan base..."
" Mets fans, however, forgave him..."

Soft-ass-forgiving, Mets...

[--Soma--]

"...the New York team with the kinder, gentler fan base..."
" Mets fans, however, forgave him..."

Soft-ass-forgiving, Mets...

you must not be a new york sports fan.

[crashintome202]

i rather have beltran over damon and would have taken beltran over RJ at the time.

[Trippin4136]

i rather have beltran over damon and would have taken beltran over RJ at the time.

I would rather have Beltran too. I don't think that's really debatable.

Look, Beltran had a fabulous year in 2006 after a very subpar year in 2005 (his first in NY). He has all the capabilities in the world to do what he did last year - every year. I think it's all in his head. Who knows if it's NY getting to him, something personal, whatever.

But he is certainly not playing like the guy he can be.

As for the Randy Johnson-over-Beltran debate, that doesn't really bother me. It was the Gary Sheffield over Vladimir Guerrero that still stings.

[DmBand801]

I would rather have Beltran too. I don't think that's really debatable.

Look, Beltran had a fabulous year in 2006 after a very subpar year in 2005 (his first in NY). He has all the capabilities in the world to do what he did last year - every year. I think it's all in his head. Who knows if it's NY getting to him, something personal, whatever.

But he is certainly not playing like the guy he can be.

As for the Randy Johnson-over-Beltran debate, that doesn't really bother me. It was the Gary Sheffield over Vladimir Guerrero that still stings.

i don't think its the pressure of NY so much, seeing how he hit 41 homers last year--it may be his health...if thats the case, i'd much rather he'd sit out a few games with an energetic ben johnson or carlos gomez in CF and rest up rather then kill the team now

[neumdogg]

Fucking Angels.......grrrrr

[Cee-ville]

you must not be a new york sports fan.


Nah, the Bronx Bombers and Giants are my teams, kid!!!


The Mets...booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooty. :thumbsdow

[lennon2324]

Fucking Angels.......grrrrr


rough weekend

[neumdogg]

rough weekend
I know, but going 4 and 2 in last 6 games (Mets and Angels) is kinda nice. Honestly, I thought we'd go 1 and 5!

Here's hoping we make a trade soon.

[--Soma--]

Nah, the Bronx Bombers and Giants are my teams, kid!!!


The Mets...booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooty. :thumbsdow

Then you would know that Mets fans are tough as hell on their players. Beltran was booed most of his first year here. Piazza was even booed.

[Trippin4136]

Matt Cain: 3.15 ERA, 1.25 WHIP yet is 2-7

He's given up 2 ER in his last 15 innings.

That's just not fair.

[Ascf33]

Perlozzo fired from O's today. That was pretty much expected. Will Girardi take his place?

[gravedigger13]

For as good of a year as Magglio is having, I think ARod would win the AL MVP if the season ended today.

[DmBand801]

Perlozzo fired from O's today. That was pretty much expected. Will Girardi take his place?

i heard Jerry Manuel