Fantasy Tour Discussion

[Jake]

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, keep this forum to the Fantasy Game Threads only!



thanks, the mgmt.

[JamesM]

okey dokey smokey

[Sutmaster6]

It's amazing people are so negative about this sweet idea. Will it last, ha!

[colegibson]

Thanks for making us our own subforum!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GinaNMU]

Seriously, with all the retarded threads, people really had that big of a problem with the fantasy ones?

If the mods want to cut down on stupid, pointless, excessive threads, I can give a list of about 10 people who should NEVER be able to make them! :lol 90% of problem solved!!

[DMBfan41]

yeah, to be honest. The Fantasy tour maybe the best thing to happen to DMBc

[Jake]

Seriously, with all the retarded threads, people really had that big of a problem with the fantasy ones?

If the mods want to cut down on stupid, pointless, excessive threads, I can give a list of about 10 people who should NEVER be able to make them! :lol 90% of problem solved!!



present company excluded, of course.

[VanHorneDog]

thanks jake, this is cool.

[taparoo]

yeah, thanks a lot Jake

[PantalaNagaMan]

I really, really, appreciate it Jake.

Jantz

[Minarets#40]

I've told Jake this personally, but I wanted to put this where everyone sees it...

Jake has really stood up for us this whole time, and has been nothing but accomodating and helpful. Everyone should really be thankful because this whole thing could have fallen apart without some ants admin support.

Thanks Jake

~John

[DirtyDeeds449]

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, keep this forum to the Fantasy Game Threads only!



thanks, the mgmt.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[bibby1044]

now we can fantasize in peace.

[~Crashintome89~]

I've told Jake this personally, but I wanted to put this where everyone sees it...

Jake has really stood up for us this whole time, and has been nothing but accomodating and helpful. Everyone should really be thankful because this whole thing could have fallen apart without some ants admin support.

Thanks Jake

~John

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[gravedigger07]

Can someone explain this whole thing to me please.

[zachyd]

I've already thanked you once Jake through PM, but here it goes again:

THANK YOU!

(And thanks to your data port as you mentioned)

[maya]

Thanks Jake!

You've kept the peace well :D

[SpecialAgent007]

Thanks even though I'm not in this. I appreciate the organization 'cause I'm kinda a neat freak! But hey, how 'bout you all start up a little donation dealy thingy to buy the guys a bit more bandwidth? It's looking like this could get busy, eh? Just an idea...a few bucks each could probably go a long way, but what do I know about webhosting?

[SpecialAgent007]

...and for the record, I don't think anyone sans a couple have any problem with anyone doing this at all. I know I didn't. I just thought it was ridiculous to have a ton of threads in DMBc. Try logging in to check things out and have most of the first couple of pages be Fantasy Tour threads. I guarantee you that if it were something else that you weren't involved in, you would be frustrated too. It's not a content thing so much as an organizational thing. It's like going to a beer store and all the aisles are filled with pop with random 6-packs intermingled here and there with no rhyme or reason. It's just a little annoying. I don't think anyone meant anything personal when they wanted to cut back on the threads. I just wanted to make that clear at this point and I would also encourage many of you to consider how "positively" you reacted to the people who wanted a better system of organizing it considering how positive you all considered the cause. Just saying, there seemed to be a lot more name-calling and lashing out coming from one side...

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I think everyone should donate money once in a while. I will as soon as I get some.

[dmbfn3441]

how would i be able to start an official antsmarching.org tailgate party?

[crashintonickdm]

how would i be able to start an official antsmarching.org tailgate party?

we did it for the vegas shows. get everyones number and make a meeting place and time. vegas might have been the best tailgate ever.

[Sniper15]

So what song was picked #1 in your guys leagues? Ants went first in our league

[Minarets#40]

So what song was picked #1 in your guys leagues? Ants went first in our league
SUAD - Ants Marching
So Right - Everyday
Granny - Ants Marching
Bartender - Louisiana Bayou
Pig - Ants Marching
Two Step - Tripping Billies
Last Stop - One Sweet World
Busted Stuff - DDTW
LLD - Two Step
Say Goodbye - DDTW

(Leauge - first song picked)

[bibby1044]

i love the web page that currently stand in front of the homepage for the fantasy league..haha

[neumdogg]

So when will the web page be ready?

[thegorge41]

havent been around the forum that much...what is the fantasy tour?

[GinaNMU]

Hi! It's just like any regular fantasy league, only it's when the tour starts and we use songs. I think there are 10 teams, 10 people to a team. We did drafts and everything...


Ahhh, yes. One more thing. I will be the winner of Granny. :D

[TwoStep34]

gina check your pms.. haha im gonna keep bugging you till you tell me whats up with these dispatch tickets.

[WiseManSay]

Hi! It's just like any regular fantasy league, only it's when the tour starts and we use songs. I think there are 10 teams, 10 people to a team. We did drafts and everything...


Ahhh, yes. One more thing. I will be the winner of Granny. :D

She forgot to mention that the Granny team won't win though, regardless if she wins it.

Other then that, she did a bang up job.

[maya]

She forgot to mention that the Granny team won't win though, regardless if she wins it.

Other then that, she did a bang up job.

It's because a SUADer will win it :D that SUADer being me!

Stupendous job Gina!!

[Sutmaster6]

It's because a SUADer will win it :D that SUADer being me!

Stupendous job Gina!!

She speaks the truth.

[maya]

She speaks the truth.

ahah! you do think i will win it! I thankyou for your vote of confidence!

[crashintonickdm]

so uh. is that website gonna be up before saturday?

[Minarets#40]

yep. click on my sig

[maya]

yep. click on my sig

That first place spot is mine!

[bradshaw06]

That second place spot behind Brad is mine!

fixed for accuracy:D

[maya]

fixed for accuracy:D

BALDERDASH!!!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

OSW opener.. whats up bitches?

[Minarets#40]

haha and Mike jumps out to the early lead!

[Minarets#40]

NO ONE has both YMDT and OSW... so currently every league has a clear 1st and 2nd place!

[bradshaw06]

ohh yeah still water (cover song) and dont drink the water

[Minarets#40]

I think there was a stipulation that Still Water didn't count as a cover song...

we'll have to wait and get to Jantz on this one...

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

^^^Nice pics, I cant believe someone let you pick both.:BANG

John.. I only get 3 points for OSW opener?

[Minarets#40]

yep. 3 pts for OSW opener

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6152081&postcount=23
^^here's where Jantz mentioned Still Water - maybe because it's not in parenthesis it'll count as a full cover song?

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Cover song is a bullshit option. Why should one song slot be able to equal as many as two, three, four, five songs?

[broatchg]

i got ymdt and ddtw yea bitches

[Minarets#40]

that's how it's set up... I didn't really have any say into that. to be fair it doesn't count DBTW, AATW or the maker, and it can only count once per show even if the whole set were cover songs

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

that's how it's set up... I didn't really have any say into that. to be fair it doesn't count DBTW, AATW or the maker, and it can only count once per show even if the whole set were cover songsOh ok. I guess the best possible spot is what counts?

[bradshaw06]

I think there was a stipulation that Still Water didn't count as a cover song...

we'll have to wait and get to Jantz on this one...

i guess if it was a full cover it should count, but if its just a tease or something then no. i just see on the dmb setlist it says it wasnt.

that's how it's set up... I didn't really have any say into that. to be fair it doesn't count DBTW, AATW or the maker, and it can only count once per show even if the whole set were cover songs

:thumbsup

[bradshaw06]

cover song moved to a different point category right? its now worth 2 instead of 3?

[Minarets#40]

Cover song is in group B, correct - 2 points

and for the record, Semper454 from the Pig League has now moved into the sole position of outright tour leader with 6 points already!

[Minarets#40]

for the record, zeppelinman from league Granny takes the outright lead with 8 points (winning by 2 btw) with The Maker (first group C song of the evening)

[Minarets#40]

interesting stat: the only two players in the DMBFL with the word "zeppelin" in their usernames are currently in 1st and 2nd place overall. Looks like that's good luck :lol :lol

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

^^^Bastards.

[Minarets#40]

71% of all teams have scored at least one point tonight.

[bradshaw06]

ok quick question John, a song is only spotted if it is played as the opener or in the encore right? not if it closes the set?

thanks

-Brad

[Minarets#40]

closing set is a spot, but only those 3 things

[bradshaw06]

closing set is a spot, but only those 3 things

gotcha thanks

[bradshaw06]

Standings For Sweet and And Down After 1st Show:

PantalaNagaMan: 8 Points
Ennix: 6 Points
Maya: 5 Points* this could change to 7 points if still water gets counted as a cover
ascf33: 5 Points
Gonzo34: 4 Points
Kyfo11: 4 points
DaveMB36: 3 Points
Sutmaster, Laststraw, Devilandthelord: 0 points

[DMBgirl87]

Leader Board for So Right.

Martindcxle 6 Points
Senator12 5 Points
LeStat1600 4 Points
FiReDaNcErTS 4 Points
Kevinbstbll9 4 Points
Colegibson 4 Points
Steady37 2 Points
The ConMan 3000 2 Points
Groton 2 Points
Cerpin_taxt 2 Points

[DMBgirl87]

9 points for Me bitches !

[crashintonickdm]

can someone post the last stop league rankings from the excel spreadsheet for me because my excel is screwed up.

[neumdogg]

When is the website going to be finished?!

[bradshaw06]

so are we counting still water as a Cover song since it wasnt a tease?

[PantalaNagaMan]

When is the website going to be finished?!

Very soon.

I have been terribley busy.

[PantalaNagaMan]

so are we counting still water as a Cover song since it wasnt a tease?

The song clocked in at about 4 minutes last night...

So yes, but it doesn't count as the Opener.

2 Point Song.

[bradshaw06]

The song clocked in at about 4 minutes last night...

So yes, but it doesn't count as the Opener.

2 Point Song.

alright cool, ill now adjust sweet up and down leagues scores

[bradshaw06]

Updated Sweet Up & Down Standings

PantalaNagaMan: 8 Points
Maya: 7 Points
Ennix: 6 Points
ascf33: 5 Points
Gonzo34: 4 Points
Kyfo11: 4 points
DaveMB36: 3 Points
Sutmaster, Laststraw, Devilandthelord: 0 points

[Minarets#40]

I have to say, I think counting Still Water as "Cover song" is some bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, and now that completely changes it up. "Cover song" is now better than DDTW, because it'll be played every time DDTW is, plus it counts for other things. Sure, it wasn't played first last night, but I'm sure it will be in the future. Then how do you justify it as not opening when it counts as a song in all the other circumstances?

[maya]

I have to say, I think counting Still Water as "Cover song" is some bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, and now that completely changes it up. "Cover song" is now better than DDTW, because it'll be played every time DDTW is, plus it counts for other things. Sure, it wasn't played first last night, but I'm sure it will be in the future. Then how do you justify it as not opening when it counts as a song in all the other circumstances?

I kind of agree with what you are saying (even if it does affect my points) but it has to be hard to have a definition of what the song is. It may go for 2 minutes, it may go for 5.

[Minarets#40]

I kind of agree with what you are saying (even if it does affect my points) but it has to be hard to have a definition of what the song is. It may go for 2 minutes, it may go for 5.
on that topic I've suggested a very easy solution. Whatever the DMB roadpage defines as a song is a song, and whatever they define as a partial or a tease is that. They never change it, so it's definite. I've seen them change on the almanac, which could create problems for us, so I think the road page is more reliable. however, my original point still stands.

plus, the road page hasn't always been the most consistent in what they consider a song or not.

[maya]

on that topic I've suggested a very easy solution. Whatever the DMB roadpage defines as a song is a song, and whatever they define as a partial or a tease is that. They never change it, so it's definite. I've seen them change on the almanac, which could create problems for us, so I think the road page is more reliable. however, my original point still stands.

plus, the road page hasn't always been the most consistent in what they consider a song or not.

What did they say still water was on the roadpage this time?

[Minarets#40]

What did they say still water was on the roadpage this time?
there was no indication of it being a partial or a tease, so it was displayed as a full song

[maya]

there was no indication of it being a partial or a tease, so it was displayed as a full song

Rofl... so much confusion!

[bradshaw06]

I have to say, I think counting Still Water as "Cover song" is some bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, and now that completely changes it up. "Cover song" is now better than DDTW, because it'll be played every time DDTW is, plus it counts for other things. Sure, it wasn't played first last night, but I'm sure it will be in the future. Then how do you justify it as not opening when it counts as a song in all the other circumstances?

things change though. what if they start playing still water without ddtw right after it? would it still not count as a cover then? it would just get way to confusing trying to score it. i say if its not listed as a tease, then it is a Cover.

[maya]

and in an act of my childish nature (and to diffuse the conversation)

You're a cover song!

heheheh.

[bradshaw06]

and in an act of my childish nature (and to diffuse the conversation)

You're a cover song!

heheheh.

:eek how did you know??

[PantalaNagaMan]

there was no indication of it being a partial or a tease, so it was displayed as a full song

Which is exactly what I had said. Last night, Still Water seemed to be more of a song than just a tease.....

In the scenario of a song and a (Still Water)....The full song version will recieve its Cover Song points.....

And it doesn't count for the opener spot because...well you don't come home and say, "I got a Still Water opener"...lol.

[maya]

:eek how did you know??

its the power of my big giant mind!

[maya]

Which is exactly what I had said. Last night, Still Water seemed to be more of a song than just a tease.....

In the scenario of a song and a (Still Water)....The full song version will recieve its Cover Song points.....

And it doesn't count for the opener spot because...well you don't come home and say, "I got a Still Water opener"...lol.

and that is the end of the day we all were confused by still water

[bradshaw06]

and that is the end of the day we all were confused by still water
:lol :thumbsup

[PantalaNagaMan]

Fucking Daniel Lanois

[maya]

Fucking Daniel Lanois

hahaha yeah! lets flick peas at him!

[taparoo]

Okay, so if Still Water opens, it doesn't open?

[maya]

Okay, so if Still Water opens, it doesn't open?

not that i'm a mistress of this, but i say if still water opened and wasn't followed exactly by another song, it would count.

But if it was followed, say by DDTW then DDTW would count.

I think

maybe :D

[PantalaNagaMan]

not that i'm a mistress of this, but i say if still water opened and wasn't followed exactly by another song, it would count.

But if it was followed, say by DDTW then DDTW would count.

I think

maybe :D

Thats where we are getting confusion....Because literally Still Water opens the set.....BUT....

http://69.80.208.202/dmbalmanaccom/setscans/453056424.jpg

http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056424&tid=92&where=2007

[maya]

Thats where we are getting confusion....Because literally Still Water opens the set.....BUT....

http://69.80.208.202/dmbalmanaccom/setscans/453056424.jpg

http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056424&tid=92&where=2007

My tiny female brain cannot comprehend the complexity of this argument

[PantalaNagaMan]

My tiny female brain cannot comprehend the complexity of this argument

The almanac list Still Water and DDTW as the opener...

But if you look at the set list scanned, provided by DMB...It just has DDTW. So the obvious intentions were for DDTW...Leaning towards Still Water as only an intro.

The way I look at it is if you can't include "Prelude To DDTW" as a song opener or a song for that matter....mayby the same should go for Still Water.

[taparoo]

That's fine by me, but I can see a few people with 'cover song' getting a little pissy...

[PantalaNagaMan]

That's fine by me, but I can see a few people with 'cover song' getting a little pissy...

And that is why this is so hard...Because literaly it IS a cover..I feel it should recieve Cover Points...The argument is the Opening Situation....

I think the only solution is how the almanac does it...If it does open...

Both Cover Song and DDTW recieve opening points.

[bradshaw06]

And that is why this is so hard...Because literaly it IS a cover..I feel it should recieve Cover Points...The argument is the Opening Situation....

I think the only solution is how the almanac does it...If it does open...

Both Cover Song and DDTW recieve opening points.

i agree:thumbsup
this seems like the best way to go about it:thumbsup. i say no matter what, for any song, go by the almanac

[Minarets#40]

i agree:thumbsup
this seems like the best way to go about it:thumbsup. i say no matter what, for any song, go by the almanac
I still think the Still Water situation is bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, which greatly affected how I drafted songs. And it's still a little rediculous and ambiguous now. Plus, DMB clearly doesn't consider it to be noteworthy, as the setlist scan clearly shows.

Also, going by the almanac seems like a bad idea. I've been saying it all along and no one has listened to a word I've said. The almanac often changes their minds about what counts as a tease or what counts as a full song. They've done it with Still Water before. They do it with #40 all the time. Basically, there's huge potential for a shows points to change later on, and we may or may not catch the change, and we may end up with some unhappy people because of it.

On the other hand, the DMB Roadpage NEVER changes their setlist. They do distinguish between partials and full songs though, but it's definite, and in a game like this, you need something definite.

[maya]

do we have any other setlists that have had stillwater>>ddtw on it??

[DMBgirl87]

Still Water = Cover Song...Get over it...

You can only get points for Cover Song once in a show anyways....

[DMBgirl87]

11 points for me bitches :-)

I will change So Rights scores when I get to my laptop

[PantalaNagaMan]

I still think the Still Water situation is bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, which greatly affected how I drafted songs. And it's still a little rediculous and ambiguous now. Plus, DMB clearly doesn't consider it to be noteworthy, as the setlist scan clearly shows.

Also, going by the almanac seems like a bad idea. I've been saying it all along and no one has listened to a word I've said. The almanac often changes their minds about what counts as a tease or what counts as a full song. They've done it with Still Water before. They do it with #40 all the time. Basically, there's huge potential for a shows points to change later on, and we may or may not catch the change, and we may end up with some unhappy people because of it.

On the other hand, the DMB Roadpage NEVER changes their setlist. They do distinguish between partials and full songs though, but it's definite, and in a game like this, you need something definite.


On the other hand John, a lot of people did take Cover Song early (Maya and others) with the intentions that Still Water counts for them. And if were being honest "Still Water" is in fact a Cover Song.

Most 40's are a minute tops, this is never less than four minutes.

Though it seems ambigious, were looking out for the good of the league and not just the good of a person buddy.

For confirmation on Still Water, we will just have to wait untill the next morning to score it.

My rules -

Two verses and a chorus, and if the song includes more than 3 band members, its a song.

Which on 7/8 - it was the most full version I have ever heard of the song. More intense Carter, lots of Fonz, wailing by Dave, and a more upbeat guitar part.

[PantalaNagaMan]

11 points for me bitches :-)

I will change So Rights scores when I get to my laptop

No your only at 9

Two Step - 4 pts.
The Last Stop - 0 pts.
Cover Song - 2 pts
One Sweet World - 3 pts.
I'll Back You Up - 0 pts.
Down By The River - 0 pts.
HFTGL - 0 pts.

[taparoo]

On the other hand John, a lot of people did take Cover Song early (Maya and others) with the intentions that Still Water counts for them. And if were being honest "Still Water" is in fact a Cover Song.

Most 40's are a minute tops, this is never less than four minutes.

Though it seems ambigious, were looking out for the good of the league and not just the good of a person buddy.

For confirmation on Still Water, we will just have to wait untill the next morning to score it.

My rules -

Two verses and a chorus, and if the song includes more than 3 band members, its a song.

Which on 7/8 - it was the most full version I have ever heard of the song. More intense Carter, lots of Fonz, wailing by Dave, and a more upbeat guitar part.
I think it should still be considered a song even though it may be Dave solo or just Dave/Carter. I mean, it's still a song, just with less people playing. The two verse & a chorus sounds good to me though.

[Semper454]

I still think the Still Water situation is bullshit. It was ambiguous before the tour, which greatly affected how I drafted songs. And it's still a little rediculous and ambiguous now. Plus, DMB clearly doesn't consider it to be noteworthy, as the setlist scan clearly shows.

I don't recall the Still Water situation being ambiguous at all. I went after DDTW early specifically because it was said that Still Water did not count against DDTW in opening slots, using the reasoning that it was just a tease. Sure, it should count for "cover song" points, but we can't change rules now. Still Water should not count as an opener.

Also, going by the almanac seems like a bad idea.

:thumbsup :thumbsup Every time a partial/tease is played, it's extremely trivial. Almanac's decisions are no more concrete than anyone else on this board. Songs need to be left up to interpretation each time they are played. Either way, Almanac should definitely not be our final source for this game.

On the other hand John, a lot of people did take Cover Song early (Maya and others) with the intentions that Still Water counts for them.

I would say they should have read the rules a little better.....:rolleyes

[Semper454]

Just some information for everybody! :)

The draft is tonight, be ready. If you can't make it, don't complain about your picks...we're going to be completely fair.

Scoring seems to be a question.

The highest you can get for a song on any night is 5...That's if Group D is played. Say Two Step is played, and it closes. You do not get the 3 point for the play and the four points for the spot....You get 4 points, for Two Step closing.

The new grouping of songs has Help Myself added to Group C, Jimi Thing added to group B, and "Cover Songs" added to group B. Cover Songs are a blanket, that can be used for ANY cover song during the course of a tour.

Which leads me to my next statement: (Still Water) does not count as an opener. You don't come home from a show saying, "Fucking right...I got a (Still Water) opener into Don't Drink The Water"...It's just an intro that probably won't be around forever....So Don't Drink The Water is the official opener in that bunch.

When drafting tonight, TRY, TRY, TRY to keep discussion to a minimum while someone is picking...Just so it doesn't confuse anybody.

There are absolutely no trades in this game. The only moves your allowed is picking up and dropping songs during a tour...Which your allowed to do five times. But remember, once you drop a song...you can never pick that song back up.

Let's keep this fun and make it interesting so it sticks around for a while! :)

Hope everyones excited.

Jantz

That's from 6/12/2007, before any drafts began.

for a link:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6152081&postcount=23

End of discussion.

[maya]

Can i just say, i full well knew that Still Water wasn't going to count. Which is why i'm not lobbying for it to go through.

I just want this argument to be clarified ASAP so we can stop confusing everyone else.

That is all

seriously, three points, no points. i don't care, i just want this to run well so people don't go 'fuck this shit' and not play anymore

[trpnwillie]

I'm just joining the conversation and trying to figure out where I sit...

On one hand, Still Water is clearly a cover.

On the other, if it's only an intro but counts as an opener... I'd like Pantala Naga Pampa when it becomes available.

Lastly, It's my opinion that there can only be one opener. You can't have two openers for one show.

[jsilvia2]

I don't recall the Still Water situation being ambiguous at all. I went after DDTW early specifically because it was said that Still Water did not count against DDTW in opening slots, using the reasoning that it was just a tease. Sure, it should count for "cover song" points, but we can't change rules now. Still Water should not count as an opener.

:thumbsup this is the same strategy i used

[PantalaNagaMan]

Voting ends tommorow at 10 central time in the Still Water poll...Whatever it is, it is...

Deal?

[bradshaw06]

Voting ends tommorow at 10 central time in the Still Water poll...Whatever it is, it is...

Deal?

i dont think thats very fair, only because everyone that votes against it does not have cover song as one of there songs. theres only probably 10 that will actually vote yes

[DMBgirl87]

WAIT WHAT?!?!? I thought Still Water was going to be Cover Song...seriously dudes figure it the fuck out before I don't want to play anymore! :BANG

[Minarets#40]

To be fair, the people in here who have lobbied for it are:

Bradshaw, DMBgirl87, (Maya) - all three have Still Water. coincidence?


() indicates a partial goind after it.


I also agree that a poll is a bad approach. Jantz, you said some things specifically before the first show and before the draft saying that Still Water wouldn't really count. If people don't read those, fine, but it's not fair to go back on that rule. I still stand by what I said.

[maya]

To be fair, the people in here who have lobbied for it are:

Bradshaw, DMBgirl87, (Maya) - all three have Still Water. coincidence?


() indicates a partial goind after it.


I also agree that a poll is a bad approach. Jantz, you said some things specifically before the first show and before the draft saying that Still Water wouldn't really count. If people don't read those, fine, but it's not fair to go back on that rule. I still stand by what I said.

I don't lobby for shit. I lobby to get it sorted right the fuck out ok. I don't give a flying fuck what it is or isn't.

[Minarets#40]

I don't lobby for shit. I lobby to get it sorted right the fuck out ok. I don't give a flying fuck what it is or isn't.
I know... the () partial was to make a point. I'm not trying to drag you into it. I apologize.

If Still Water is going to count, it should be it's own song, because at the rate it's played it's unfair to stick it under the blanket of "cover song"

[bradshaw06]

i dont care if its counted as an opener, but it really should count as a cover song. Why? because it is a cover song. it is not a tease or anything like that, because they are playing the song in full.

[bradshaw06]

to add, before the tour we only considered still water a tease, hence the (Still Water). but now we can see that it is a full song that is being played.

[maya]

I know... the () partial was to make a point. I'm not trying to drag you into it. I apologize.

Then i still love you :hug

[taparoo]

I know... the () partial was to make a point. I'm not trying to drag you into it. I apologize.

If Still Water is going to count, it should be it's own song, because at the rate it's played it's unfair to stick it under the blanket of "cover song"
why? You only count one cover song per show anyway if you have 'cover song'. I could see if you were making a point of it opening, but even then it doesn't open every show when it's played.

[Minarets#40]

Interesting Stat:

DDTW was picked before Cover song in EVERY LEAGUE.

with the current ruling, let's consider this - three possible situations:

- Still Water > DDTW opens the show
Cover Song: 3 points (unless they have both)
DDTW: 3 points

- Still Water > DDTW midset
Cover Song: 2 points
DDTW: 2 points

- Still Water > DDTW not played
Cover Song: 0 points (with the opportunity to still score if another cover is played)
DDTW: 0 points


There is no situation in which DDTW is more valuable than Cover Song. The only way is if they play DDTW without Still Water, which btw has only been done once this year. Therefore there's no reason people should have picked DDTW before Still Water. However, it happened in EVERY LEAGUE (including Jantz himself picking DDTW first round)


Meanwhile, they have also played Still Water before Bartender, which for the record I DO think should count as Cover Song. However, calling the Still Water > DDTW segue 2 songs is like calling PNP > Rapunzel two different songs.

[DMBgirl87]

I know... the () partial was to make a point. I'm not trying to drag you into it. I apologize.

If Still Water is going to count, it should be it's own song, because at the rate it's played it's unfair to stick it under the blanket of "cover song"

The way cover song was originally explained to me, is the only reason I took it...It sucks and it's not going to get any points....it's bullshit.

[PantalaNagaMan]

So far we have the following thoughts:

A.) My personal thought - Still Water is in fact a song that is not theirs and they are doing a version of it - therefore it is a "Cover Song"

but...

B.) It has been, and probably will be nothing short of a glorified intro to Don't Drink The Water

So what do we do about the situation? - How about those who selected "Cover Song"...if they would like to...can take, "New Song" instead, which is also worth 2 points and blankets any new song (1 per show) that comes up during the year. The ones who selected Cover Song with intentions for Still Water have the first shot and obtaining it. Any takers?

If there are any other ideas, please feel free to contact me.....It's the first season for this and we knew there were going to be problems...Now let's just fix it, to make it better for the future.

[zeppelinman]

Why don't we just go with what we had before the draft, being that still water does not get points for being an opener. I know I am partly saying this because I have DDTW but come on, its obviously just an intro since it isn't even written out on the setlist scans.

[WiseManSay]

Anyone want to explain this Still Water thing to me? I know I'm behind but all this debating is kinda silly. It's my understanding that:

- it is only used as an intro to DDTW.
- it is not played as the full version
- yet people want it to count as cover song and opener points?

Am I correct in assuming this? And if I am, why should it count for anything?

1. If it is not played in full it doesn't get any points. Just like #40.
2. It isn't listed as an opener on the official setlist, opener points go to DDTW.
3. There are outros that are partial covers. Why not count them then?

People who have cover song already have an advantage as it can count as different songs night to night.

My two cents.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I don't have cover song, but it seems wrong to have fooled everyone who did choose it. Lets just change the rules for the playoffs and let them all get Still Water for the season, but it can only be used once a show. 2 covers or more wouldn't count. Sound good?

[DMBgirl87]

Still Water could potentially go out on it's own...things change, you never know....Last year we finally got loving wings without that damn WAYG....It's still early...but we need to figure this out soon...It's crazy...

[PantalaNagaMan]

I created this thing...so my ruling is final.

Still Water is in the cover song blanket.

If it opens, both DDTW and Cover song recieve opener points (3).

If just played, (2)...

I just listened to the 7.08.07 version, and it doesn't matter if it's an intro, its a fucking song now...It went from just an intro to a whole song, just listen to it.

The rulling is final.

[taparoo]

Glad this thing is finally over! :lol

I think the best thing for next year (assuming they keep playing SW>DDTW) would be to have SW and Cover Song different. And I think SW shouldn't be counted because I believe it is just an intro to DDTW (but what the boss says, goes! :D )

[DMBgirl87]

Thank you very much. Back to 11 points.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Thank you very much. Back to 11 points.

No...

You still only have 9

Two Step = 4
OSW = 3
Cover = 2

[DMBgirl87]

No...

You still only have 9

Two Step = 4
OSW = 3
Cover = 2


WAIT
It's group B...isn't it 2 +3 for opening!?

[DMBgirl87]

:lol I need to go look at my notebook :lol

[Semper454]

I created this thing...so my ruling is final.

Still Water is in the cover song blanket.

If it opens, both DDTW and Cover song recieve opener points (3).

If just played, (2)...

I just listened to the 7.08.07 version, and it doesn't matter if it's an intro, its a fucking song now...It went from just an intro to a whole song, just listen to it.

The rulling is final.

So what happened to before the draft when you pretty clearly said that a Still Water->DDTW did not get opening points for Still Water? You're changing the rules after the draft dude... That's not gonna fly...

[Minarets#40]

So what happened to before the draft when you pretty clearly said that a Still Water->DDTW did not get opening points for Still Water? You're changing the rules after the draft dude... That's not gonna fly...
yeah... that's the one thing that can make the whole thing fall apart. People can deal with rule changes all you want before the draft, but once people have picked songs, it changes people's ability to influence their own outcome. Basically, it means those making the decision are the ones deciding who wins. I've already made the case that letting still water count as an opener makes it more valueable than DDTW. With the way that Jantz himself stated the rules before the draft, with the way that EVERY league drafted, and with the way everything has been done up until now, Still Water should absolutely NOT get points for being an opener. Ok, so there are mixed feelings... I can deal with even a compromise, but I think it's bullshit to start saying that Still Water AND DDTW can both get opener points. And with the way the rules were stated pre-draft, there's no other logical option than to let DDTW get the opener points.

Want a fair compromise that's a good balance of what everyone's been arguing? Well the only way I can see that won't severely piss off a bunch of people to do that is to let Still Water get points for being played if the road page setlist says it was played in full, but to make a Still Water > DDTW opener give the opener points to only DDTW. Other than that, I can not live with the rules the way they are. This is absolutely rediculous. Jantz, please don't turn this into a dictatorship where you aren't flexible on things. People will like this league if they get to participate in it, but I don't think I'd enjoy being in a league where my voice doesn't get heard. I realize I've had a fair share of influence so far, but please don't forget how we got where we are now. I've sent you a number of PMs about the issue and they have all been ignored so far.

[PantalaNagaMan]

yeah... that's the one thing that can make the whole thing fall apart. People can deal with rule changes all you want before the draft, but once people have picked songs, it changes people's ability to influence their own outcome. Basically, it means those making the decision are the ones deciding who wins. I've already made the case that letting still water count as an opener makes it more valueable than DDTW. With the way that Jantz himself stated the rules before the draft, with the way that EVERY league drafted, and with the way everything has been done up until now, Still Water should absolutely NOT get points for being an opener. Ok, so there are mixed feelings... I can deal with even a compromise, but I think it's bullshit to start saying that Still Water AND DDTW can both get opener points. And with the way the rules were stated pre-draft, there's no other logical option than to let DDTW get the opener points.

Want a fair compromise that's a good balance of what everyone's been arguing? Well the only way I can see that won't severely piss off a bunch of people to do that is to let Still Water get points for being played if the road page setlist says it was played in full, but to make a Still Water > DDTW opener give the opener points to only DDTW. Other than that, I can not live with the rules the way they are. This is absolutely rediculous. Jantz, please don't turn this into a dictatorship where you aren't flexible on things. People will like this league if they get to participate in it, but I don't think I'd enjoy being in a league where my voice doesn't get heard. I realize I've had a fair share of influence so far, but please don't forget how we got where we are now. I've sent you a number of PMs about the issue and they have all been ignored so far.

A.) - It has never been a dictatorship, Im just sick of getting my mailbox flooded with complaints. I dont' know what the fuck to do man.

My original idea was to have Still Water count as a cover song and not opener points.....That is what I WANTED, but I had people bitching about that, saying there going to drop from the league.

What can I do man? I'm trying my best here. And I haven't ignored the PM's...Ive sent you messages via AIM while your offline, Im assuming you didn't get them.

Edit: And the complaints Im talking about John are not from you, you know as much as I do that your my partner and you've helped me out a shit load.....We'll figure something out.

[maya]

I know that everyone is all cranky at the moment, but this was bound to happen at some point. It's hard to make a draft solely based on what may or may not be played.

It's not up to Jantz to be able to read DMB's mind and know exactly how they are going to play a song.

Who the fuck knows, in the next month they may in fact drop it.

So, my 2 cents is everyone should chill, and hug the person to the left!

[Minarets#40]

I'm online now Jantz. If you're available... let's talk

[bradshaw06]

Anyone want to explain this Still Water thing to me? I know I'm behind but all this debating is kinda silly. It's my understanding that:

- it is only used as an intro to DDTW.
- it is not played as the full version
- yet people want it to count as cover song and opener points?

Am I correct in assuming this? And if I am, why should it count for anything?

1. If it is not played in full it doesn't get any points. Just like #40.
2. It isn't listed as an opener on the official setlist, opener points go to DDTW.
3. There are outros that are partial covers. Why not count them then?

People who have cover song already have an advantage as it can count as different songs night to night.

My two cents.

the thing of it is, it is being played in full, it is not being teased. in fact, at bridgeview still water was longer than ddtw.

still water has the potential to be played by itself, or before other songs, John even said that it was played before Bartender. For that reason it should get points as a cover song.

[WiseManSay]

the thing of it is, it is being played in full, it is not being teased. in fact, at bridgeview still water was longer than ddtw.

still water has the potential to be played by itself, or before other songs, John even said that it was played before Bartender. For that reason it should get points as a cover song.

Agreed. If it's played full version then it should get points as a cover song. 100%.

[Minarets#40]

Either way, it's retarded to have two songs get opener credit, and Still Water was declared before the tour to be unable to earn opener credit if it's Still Water > DDTW.

I think a fair compromise is what I said earlier... if the road page gives Still Water credit as a full song, then it's a full song, but no matter where it's played, it can't get opener credit as long as it goes into DDTW.

I do think, though, if they open with Still Water > (anything but DDTW) then Still Water should get opener credit, as only Still Water > DDTW was deemed to pass on the opener points.

[Semper454]

Right. Jantz, I'm not trying to bust your balls man, trust me, most everybody on here has really appreciated all the work you've put into this. If there are people who are bitching because they didn't read all the rules you stated before the draft (that Still Water did not get opening points), that's their own fault. If they want to leave the league because of that, that's fine. The league can go on without them. Changing the rules after the draft, on the other hand, like John said, is the thing that will kill this league. I think everybody knew this thing was gonna hit a bump or two along the way just because of how new it is and how big it got, but we gotta stay the course. If people don't like it fuck 'em.

That said, as I said at the beginning, I'm pretty good at organization and running stuff like this, and if you need any help, I'm more than willing.

[rosen4]

New contraversy: Now that we know the setlist for Best Buy, does that show count?

[bradshaw06]

New contraversy: Now that we know the setlist for Best Buy, does that show count?

i dont think it will

[PantalaNagaMan]

Still Water will recieve points for being played, but as stated in the rules prior...will in fact not recieve opener points, UNLESS played in a scenario that it does not segue into DDTW.

Let's discuss something else now. :)

P.S. Site will be up and running tommorow.

P.P.S. - The Min. show does not count.

[Minarets#40]

I agree that the Minneapolis show shouldn't count, but if it did... DAMN!

YMDT opener - points for me
Dreamgirl - points for me
Louisiana bayou - points for me

I would have owned up on that show... let's hope shows like that continue through the season!!

[maya]

I agree that the Minneapolis show shouldn't count, but if it did... DAMN!

YMDT opener - points for me
Dreamgirl - points for me
Louisiana bayou - points for me

I would have owned up on that show... let's hope shows like that continue through the season!!

YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!

[taparoo]

YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!
Bayou also doesn't look like it's leaving anytime soon...

[Minarets#40]

YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!

Bayou also doesn't look like it's leaving anytime soon...
these make a guy feel good :)

yeah I don't think I'm going to win it all, but I think I'll at least make a respectable showing

[bradshaw06]

abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew:BANG

[colegibson]

abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew:BANG


It wasn't planned. It's not on the setlist.

[bradshaw06]

It wasn't planned. It's not on the setlist.

yes it was, its listed as (intro)

http://69.80.208.202/dmbalmanaccom/setscans/453056503.jpg

[taparoo]

abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew:BANG
tell me about it :lorraine

[colegibson]

yes it was, its listed as (intro)

http://69.80.208.202/dmbalmanaccom/setscans/453056503.jpg



Oh, guess so. I just assumed that was the intro to Two Step. I forgot that they labeled ABI like that on the setlist. I don't care at all for ABI, though. I was actually relieved when they didn't play it.

[taparoo]

The site's lookin good Jantz! :hump

[WiseManSay]

Just a suggestion.

The website has a leader board with the top rankings of places 1-15 per individual. Wouldn't it make more sense just to list the top 10 with each place going to whoever is leading their league? I mean that's all that matters right now right?

[taparoo]

Just checking here - the D&T show on the 28th won't be counted, right? Only DMB stuff?

[bennettr]

so do the past two "show things" not count to points?

[taparoo]

so do the past two "show things" not count to points?
The Bridgeview show is the only one that has actually counted so far

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Woooooooo

[WiseManSay]

Just a suggestion.

The website has a leader board with the top rankings of places 1-15 per individual. Wouldn't it make more sense just to list the top 10 with each place going to whoever is leading their league? I mean that's all that matters right now right?

No takers????

[maya]

No takers????

Maybe PM jantz or john about it. I haven't really seen either of them around as of late, but they're both pretty hard at work doing stuff.

[Minarets#40]

I'll be back around now... I was out of town for the past number of days...

I'd recommend PMing Jantz about the stuff pertaining to the website. He's the one who's running that.

[Semper454]

No takers????

I kinda like it as the Top 15 Overall.

[Minarets#40]

I kinda like it as the Top 15 Overall.
:lol of course... you're in the overall lead

actually though, once all the league pages are done they will have everyone's scores on them. If you go look at League Bartender it's already finished and up. Jantz has been busy but we'll hopefully be able to see them all like that soon

[taparoo]

Just checking here - the D&T show on the 28th won't be counted, right? Only DMB stuff?
....

[Minarets#40]

no the 28th doesn't count. next counting show is Aug 1.

[maya]

no the 28th doesn't count. next counting show is Aug 1.

Oh hey, thats close :D hahah i forgot!

[bradshaw06]

8 days!!

[maya]

8 days!!

Yay! 8 days is nothing!!

[rosen4]

So has there been a definitive decision on Falling Off the Roof? Just curious.

[Minarets#40]

So has there been a definitive decision on Falling Off the Roof? Just curious.
not yet... Jantz and I need to talk... thanks for the reminder though!!

[taparoo]

not yet... Jantz and I need to talk... thanks for the reminder though!!
you guys have 6 days....... GO!! :bounce

[Minarets#40]

I haven't been able to get in touch with Jantz in the past few days... my guess is that we'll end up doing nothing with the new material, since that seemed to be what people in the discussion thread thought was the most fair...

[taparoo]

I haven't been able to get in touch with Jantz in the past few days... my guess is that we'll end up doing nothing with the new material, since that seemed to be what people in the discussion thread thought was the most fair...
I think that would be the best way to avoid confusion and nit-picking among the players.

[bustdstuff]

I think that would be the best way to avoid confusion and nit-picking among the players.

Especially since a limited number of transactions are allowed.

[Minarets#40]

I'm trying to get in touch with Jantz now about the whole new song thing


also, I'm going 95% says that Blue Water will be available as a Group D song - it's not like the new songs, since everyone has known about it since before the draft and all... YNK and Spotlight were picked during the draft, despite not being on the official song list yet, since they were songs that we knew of but had forgotten to include.

let me know if anyone has a problem with Blue Water being allowed as a Group D song to pick up, but I really don't expect it will be...

[maya]

^ I totally have a problem with it.......:lol

I just wanted to say thankyou to John for being our guiding light whilst Jantz has been a busy boy

[Minarets#40]

^ I totally have a problem with it.......:lol

I just wanted to say thankyou to John for being our guiding light whilst Jantz has been a busy boy
you're from the far south and to the right - your opinion doesn't matter... ;)

glad to help!

[maya]

you're from the far south and to the right - your opinion doesn't matter... ;)

glad to help!

well that may be the case, but i'd also like to point out that i have boobs. Thusly bumping my opinion status up (it may be only slightly!)

[Minarets#40]

well that may be the case, but i'd also like to point out that i have boobs. Thusly bumping my opinion status up (it may be only slightly!)
this thread is useless without pictures :D

(but seriously... when you're that far away, you'd have to have AMAZING boobs to really influence our decisions... or would have to be coming to the USA, instead of TURNING DOWN DMB TICKETS?!!!)

[maya]

this thread is useless without pictures :D

(but seriously... when you're that far away, you'd have to have AMAZING boobs to really influence our decisions... or would have to be coming to the USA, instead of TURNING DOWN DMB TICKETS?!!!)

:lol

Yeah, you're right, they aren't that good :D

I made the right decision, there was no chance in hell i'd be able to come up with the spending money... do you know thats the 2nd chance i've missed out of going to USA.

I'm such an idiot :BANG

[Minarets#40]

right now The Maker is the top scoring song in the whole league!

[Minarets#40]

1. wingnut73 - 21
2. Semper454 - 16
3. MDrums54 - 15
4. dmbgirl87 - 15
5. sharvey - 14
6. Crashintonickdm - 14
7. PantalaNagaMan - 14
8. zeppelinman - 13
9. Mcbong - 13
10. broatchg - 13
11. taparoo - 12
12. Ennix - 12
13. Maya - 12
14. Mattstl1 - 12
15. bradshaw06 - 11
ant_marching41 - 11
bennetts - 11
Tgaucho - 11
Colegibson - 11


IT WORKS!! I tried so hard to get this to work!!

Special thanks to: sutmaster6 - you're my hero!

Highest Scoring song of the tour - Two Step - 8 pts.

[bradshaw06]

1. wingnut73 - 21
2. Semper454 - 16
3. MDrums54 - 15
4. dmbgirl87 - 15
5. sharvey - 14
6. Crashintonickdm - 14
7. PantalaNagaMan - 14
8. zeppelinman - 13
9. Mcbong - 13
10. broatchg - 13
11. taparoo - 12
12. Ennix - 12
13. Maya - 12
14. Mattstl1 - 12
15. bradshaw06 - 11
ant_marching41 - 11
bennetts - 11
Tgaucho - 11
Colegibson - 11


IT WORKS!! I tried so hard to get this to work!!

Special thanks to: sutmaster6 - you're my hero!

Highest Scoring song of the tour - Two Step - 8 pts.

holy crap what does he have? id assume ddtw, and two step

[Minarets#40]

Jimi Thing - 2
Stay - 4
#41 - 0
Grey Street - 4
Dreamgirl - 4
YMDT - 4
WTWE - 3

nothing huge, but they're all winners

[maya]

holy crap what does he have?

exactly what i was thinking!!!

[Minarets#40]

1. Senator12 - 23
2. Maya - 23
3. wingnut73 - 21
4. MDrums54 - 19
5. zeppelinman - 19
6. Semper454 - 19
7. dmbgirl87 - 18
8. broatchg - 18
9. Crashintonickdm - 17
10. Tgaucho - 16
11. Mcbong - 16
12. bradshaw06 - 15
13. ant_marching41 - 15
14. Minarets#40 - 15
15. sharvey - 15
woody33 - 15

[Minarets#40]

look at maya... tied for first!! (cornbread was huge... and Senator12 caught OOMH)

[maya]

look at maya... tied for first!! (cornbread was huge... and Senator12 caught OOMH)

Sweet baby jesus! i need to pay more attention.. when did that happen?

[taparoo]

So is Cornbread a Group D tune?

[JamesM]

^ yes but i just requested it

[Senator12]

look at maya... tied for first!! (cornbread was huge... and Senator12 caught OOMH)

:multi:multi

[zeppelinman]

I hope Cornbread isn't placed in Group D only for the fact that if it is played as often as Sister was last year, than the people who were quick enough to pick it up will get more than half of their total points from one song. I'm not trying to be bitchy because I didn't pick it up and I know I already have quite a few points. I just think it wouldn't be fair to all the others who couldn't request it quick enough to give 5 points to a song that could very well be played at most every tour stop.

[Minarets#40]

I hope Cornbread isn't placed in Group D only for the fact that if it is played as often as Sister was last year, than the people who were quick enough to pick it up will get more than half of their total points from one song. I'm not trying to be bitchy because I didn't pick it up and I know I already have quite a few points. I just think it wouldn't be fair to all the others who couldn't request it quick enough to give 5 points to a song that could very well be played at most every tour stop.
if it becomes a little monster, we'll do something about it. I agree that if it turns into a situation where the 10 people with Cornbread win their leagues that sounds totally unfair. right now it's just two shows, and no one had it for the first one, so it's only made 5 points difference, but if it starts to get rediculous, don't worry. we're reasonable people :)

[Minarets#40]

So is Cornbread a Group D tune?
currently. see my last post.

[JamesM]

I picked up Cornbread



so if later in tour its changed to group B, will i keep my points from when it was a group D?

[Minarets#40]

I picked up Cornbread

so if later in tour its changed to group B, will i keep my points from when it was a group D?
you're getting a little ahead of us... Jantz hasn't verified for certain that it'll be group D to start with (so all those scores could potentially change) and if we have to make a change to keep it fair, we'll decide then what we'll do. let's see if it's even going to be an issue. it's still early...

[JamesM]

aight dude

[TGaucho]

I hope Cornbread isn't placed in Group D only for the fact that if it is played as often as Sister was last year, than the people who were quick enough to pick it up will get more than half of their total points from one song. I'm not trying to be bitchy because I didn't pick it up and I know I already have quite a few points. I just think it wouldn't be fair to all the others who couldn't request it quick enough to give 5 points to a song that could very well be played at most every tour stop.
uh, i wholeheartedly disagree. It can't be moved up to a different bracket just because it looks now like it may be played a lot this summer. That would be bullshit. That's the whole point of the free agent song system: to reward (or punish) people that jump on a song that was overlooked for reasons of rarity and then is put in the rotation for the summer. People that didn't "request it quick enough" are out of luck, just like in any fantasy league.

for example, i picked up Frank Gore last year in Fantasy Football. Why? Because i was vigilant. I payed close attention to the games and the weekly stats, and i took a chance on him before anyone else could pick him up. It payed off. There is no logic in the world that says that i shouldn't've recieved full credit for his stats just because he wasn't drafted and no one expected him to earn any points. I was rewarded for my speed and for the attention i was paying.

besides, look at it this way, i picked up Cornbread last night before anyone else in my league, dropping If I Had It All. It could've backfired. Cornbread could have been a one or two time thing (still could be), and IIHIA could still end up being played significantly more than that. No fair changing the rules now that the band has tipped their hand a bit. You know full well that if someone had drafted Cornbread originally it would've been classified an obvious bottom tier song. End of story

[Minarets#40]

for example, i picked up Frank Gore last year in Fantasy Football. Why? Because i was vigilant. I payed close attention to the games and the weekly stats, and i took a chance on him before anyone else could pick him up. It payed off. There is no logic in the world that says that i shouldn't've recieved full credit for his stats just because he wasn't drafted and no one expected him to earn any points. I was rewarded for my speed and for the attention i was paying.
consider this...
what if I were at the show? I hear the song played, and decide I totally want to pick it up, but by the time I can get to a computer, it's gone.

on the other hand...
I understand and see a lot of reason in your point. I didn't say for sure that we'd change it, but I can't guarantee that we wouldn't. Honestly, I think we'd try to have another discussion about it (like the new songs discussion) before doing anything. we do appreciate and want to take into consideration the opinion of everyone playing the game.

[zeppelinman]

uh, i wholeheartedly disagree. It can't be moved up to a different bracket just because it looks now like it may be played a lot this summer. That would be bullshit. That's the whole point of the free agent song system: to reward (or punish) people that jump on a song that was overlooked for reasons of rarity and then is put in the rotation for the summer. People that didn't "request it quick enough" are out of luck, just like in any fantasy league.

for example, i picked up Frank Gore last year in Fantasy Football. Why? Because i was vigilant. I payed close attention to the games and the weekly stats, and i took a chance on him before anyone else could pick him up. It payed off. There is no logic in the world that says that i shouldn't've recieved full credit for his stats just because he wasn't drafted and no one expected him to earn any points. I was rewarded for my speed and for the attention i was paying.

besides, look at it this way, i picked up Cornbread last night before anyone else in my league, dropping If I Had It All. It could've backfired. Cornbread could have been a one or two time thing (still could be), and IIHIA could still end up being played significantly more than that. No fair changing the rules now that the band has tipped their hand a bit. You know full well that if someone had drafted Cornbread originally it would've been classified an obvious bottom tier song. End of storyI see where you come from but some people don't have the time to watch the real time setlists and to immediately act to change their fantasy picks. I got pretty lucky coming home tonight to do so with OOMH, but Cornbread has overall better prospects. Plus we don't have Jantz to make an official decision. And please don't compare this to Fantasy Football which is far more complex matter of stats where this is solely based on being played or spotted.

[maya]

if you can get a hold of Jantz. The man is slippery, just when you think you have him BAM there's a wall.... and no Jantz.

[TGaucho]

consider this...
what if I were at the show? I hear the song played, and decide I totally want to pick it up, but by the time I can get to a computer, it's gone.

on the other hand...
I understand and see a lot of reason in your point. I didn't say for sure that we'd change it, but I can't guarantee that we wouldn't. Honestly, I think we'd try to have another discussion about it (like the new songs discussion) before doing anything. we do appreciate and want to take into consideration the opinion of everyone playing the game.
alright. The "At The Show" scenario transfers over to a regular Fantasy Sports League as well. If i were at the Niner game when Frank Gore first went off I would have had a distinct disadvantage in terms of picking him up before the other people in my league who were not at a game that day. If i were really really serious about it, i might go the extra mile and call a friend or family member and have them pick Gore up, or i could try and do it on my phone. Yes, i would have a disadvantage, but that's normal in any Fantasy scenario. To try and compensate for such a disadvantage by punishing the people that were on the ball is unfair in my opinion.

The bottom line is this: where would the song have been ranked on Draft Day? The answer to that question is obvious.

I understand fully that any current Cornbread point objections are centered on fairness . . i understand that some people will have less fun if every league winner is a Cornbread owner. And i know that this is supposed to be for fun, and thus anything that lessens the fun of it should be looked at and perhaps dealt with. I get it. Really. I want everyone to have fun. I really do. That should be the primary focus of our little enterprise here. Absolutely.

But punishing those of us that picked it up isn't even close to fair. What this debate centers on is the system that's been set up. If this is a Fantasy League, and if this League is to honor the concept of a Free Agent Pool, then there shouldn't be any meddling just becuase a surprise song is stepping up to the plate. That's the whole point of a Free Agent Pool. Two years ago a few Fantasy Baseball owners took a chance on an unknown named Ryan Howard half way through the year. Those people were rewarded. That's how Fantasy competition works.

Besides, at this point, we don't even know how often it'll get played. It appears that it will be a common E1 selection, but we don't know. It's entirely possible that it could be fazed out over the summer. We're only on Night 2 here

[TGaucho]

I see where you come from but some people don't have the time to watch the real time setlists and to immediately act to change their fantasy picks.
well that's their loss then. Everyone was aware of the Free Agent Pool system prior to the tour. That some people weren't prepared is none of my concern, and shouldn't affect those of us that were

I got pretty lucky coming home tonight to do so with OOMH, but Cornbread has overall better prospects.

It has better overall prospects, true. But that has no impact on what its prospects were before the season started. On draft day we were given Categories to choose from. Nothing in this debate can touch what value the song would've had then, and that's what matters here

Plus we don't have Jantz to make an official decision.

true. Obviously we're all awaiting his decision. It's his league, and thus his call.

And please don't compare this to Fantasy Football which is far more complex matter of stats where this is solely based on being played or spotted.

This is called the DMB Fantasy League, is it not? This league is based on the Fantasy framework, thus the comparison is legit. There was a Fantasy style draft, we are all owners of a lineup that we're rooting for to score us points, we can add, drop and trade. It's called a Fantasy League, it was sold to us as a Fantasy League, it shares the same basic attributes as a Fantasy League. I see no problem here.

[zeppelinman]

I see your point, but for me I guess I was hoping for a more level playing field to make this more fun. You also have to consider that more people might have payed attention to Cornbread if it was indeed on the song list (probably in Group D). I honestly think most people forgot about it until now. I know its too early to tell about Cornbread, true, I just don't want the whole playoffs to come down to having the sole song. I'll quit bitching, though, because I know its not up to me. So here's to a great fantasy tour!

[Minarets#40]

I really do appreciate ya'll's commentary. I'm promise that Jantz and I will do everything we can to keep the league in as good a balance of fun and fairness as we can. I see everyone's points, and they all seem reasonable... let's just wait for Jantz at this point.

[JamesM]

Two Step
Cornbread
Warehouse
Too Much
Grace is Gone


how can i lose?

[bradshaw06]

you aint never had my cornbread!

[TGaucho]

I see your point, but for me I guess I was hoping for a more level playing field to make this more fun. You also have to consider that more people might have payed attention to Cornbread if it was indeed on the song list (probably in Group D). I honestly think most people forgot about it until now. I know its too early to tell about Cornbread, true, I just don't want the whole playoffs to come down to having the sole song. I'll quit bitching, though, because I know its not up to me. So here's to a great fantasy tour!
:thumbsup Fair enough. Here's to it! *clinksfrostymug*

[Minarets#40]

for the record (Still Water) does NOT count as Cover song, and that's how it's reported on the road page tonight

[JamesM]

3 songs and a "C" song spot!

[Minarets#40]

1. wingnut73 - 35
2. Senator12 - 35
3. broatchg - 31
4. maya - 30
5. MDrums54 - 28
6. zeppelinman - 28
7. JamesM - 27
8. Semper454 - 27
9. bradshaw06 - 26
10. Tgaucho - 26
11. Minarets#40 - 25
12. dmbgirl87 - 25
13. ant_marching41 - 23
14. Crashintonickdm - 23
15. Martindcxle - 22

[JamesM]

reppin' that 7 spot!

[Senator12]

Number #1!!!

[DMBgirl87]

well give me a few :lol

[bradshaw06]

shouldnt still water have counted from last night? it doesnt look like it was a partial

[Minarets#40]

on the road page it's listed as a partial, hence it doesn't count as a full song

[bradshaw06]

damn abi. dropped that for cornbread... o well

[Minarets#40]

1. broatchg - 43
2. Senator12 - 39
3. maya - 38
4. JamesM - 35
5. MDrums54 - 35
6. wingnut73 - 35
7. Semper454 - 35
8. Tgaucho - 34
9. zeppelinman - 32
10. bradshaw06 - 31
11. ant_marching41 - 31
12. Seanieb - 31
13. Minarets#40 - 30
14. DMBgirl87 - 30
15. Martindcxle - 30

[bradshaw06]

road page is the official ruling. if it weren't done that way we'd run into people arguing about what was or wasn't and it would create havok. this is the way the rule has been for a while now, and i think it's fair.

yea it is fair as well. lol thats why i deleted my response;) ! dont want to start a whole new thing with this (still) watergate:lol

[bradshaw06]

that was a pretty good show!

[symbian]

DO we have a total league score? Also, how do I know what is available...

[maya]

DO we have a total league score? Also, how do I know what is available...

Your moderator can give you the free pool list.... and the total score maybe John. I think his mod sheet will be up to date with all the scores.

[Minarets#40]

I've never seen a song come and go on the live setlist like Still Water just did... it just got replaced...

[maya]

I've never seen a song come and go on the live setlist like Still Water just did... it just got replaced...

Yeah i know.... that was weird right? i thought i may of just imagined it.

[Minarets#40]

1. broatchg - 56
2. Senator12 - 48
3. maya - 45
4. wingnut73 - 44
5. bradshaw06 - 42
6. Semper454 - 42
7. Tgaucho - 42
8. Seanieb - 41
9. JamesM - 40
10. ant_marching41 - 40
11. taparoo - 39
12. MDrums54 - 39
13. Minarets#40 - 38
14. zeppelinman - 36
15. DMBgirl87 - 36

[maya]

Dammit Senator pulled away from me!! :lol

[Senator12]

^Only three points :)

[maya]

^Only three points :)

At one point tonight we were tied 2nd :D i would of like to of kept it that way....

[Senator12]

Ah, I see. Personally, I'm glad I pulled away :D

[maya]

Ah, I see. Personally, I'm glad I pulled away :D

Ooh boy, you better fear me tomorrow. I've got a good feeling....

[Senator12]

I think I feel an Out of My Hands coming tomorrow, five points for me...

[maya]

I think I feel an Out of My Hands coming tomorrow, five points for me...

ooooh yeah... i think so too! Dammit! I'm wondering when Cornbread is going to get a break... i'm hoping not soon :lol

[broatchg]

all my songs always get played all in one night (YMDT, Bayou, WTWE, Cornbread)....here's to shotgun, watchtower, and cornbread getting played tomorrow!!

[Senator12]

Cornbread is gonna get played every show this tour, unfortunately for me :(

[maya]

I really want them to play a cover song. anything that counts :lol and LIOG and cornbread and Satellite and crush.....and the rest of them :D

[maya]

is anyone having setlist problems?

[Senator12]

^I am...

[maya]

Ok good, its not just me then.... still its lame

[Minarets#40]

today looks like Senator12's lowest scoring day ever... what's that 3 points so far?

[maya]

today looks like Senator12's lowest scoring day ever... what's that 3 points so far?

hahah yeah, i noticed that too!! :lol

I thought i was going to have a bad day today, but the middle of set was oh so very good to me :D

still can't catch up to broatchg yet... but that day will come

[Senator12]

The thing is, this set is so good that I'm not even disappointed..

[Minarets#40]

^^ oh I wouldn't be either... i'd prefer to get last in the fantasy league and have a great tour anyday

[maya]

The thing is, this set is so good that I'm not even disappointed..

^^ oh I wouldn't be either... i'd prefer to get last in the fantasy league and have a great tour anyday

I know. This set has me bouncing off the walls and i know i'll never get anything this good unless John takes me in as an illegal immigrant :lol

[Minarets#40]

ok i have a question, not that i'm thinking i'll do anything about it just now, but i want to hear some feedback...

currently Gravedigger is in group B... wtf? according to all the criteria that all the other songs are sorted on, it should be in group D. I realize that's a big jump to make mid tour, but what do you think about the idea of moving it at least to group C? it only seems reasonable...

then again, people didn't draft it maybe because it wasn't worth many points... but i mean, it's kinda BS to have it in group B

thoughts only at this point....

[Minarets#40]

I know. This set has me bouncing off the walls and i know i'll never get anything this good unless John takes me in as an illegal immigrant :lol
of COURSE i'd sneak you into the country...

then again, you had the chance to come and you PASSED IT UP?!!

[maya]

Was Gravedigger in B because it semi-regularly gets an encore spot?

I'm not against it. It's a first year of running this, ofcourse it'll need some tweaking and tuning.

[maya]

of COURSE i'd sneak you into the country...

then again, you had the chance to come and you PASSED IT UP?!!

:lorraine I know, i know... but it was with my mum....

[Minarets#40]

Was Gravedigger in B because it semi-regularly gets an encore spot?

I'm not against it. It's a first year of running this, ofcourse it'll need some tweaking and tuning.
i have no idea why it was in group b.... leading up to the draft it was played Dave Solo in the encore a few times in europe, but the europe shows had no influence on the song groupings for any other song, so i can't see why that would make the difference. plus i think gravedigger was in group B before the europe shows... just kinda a glitch that slipped by or something

[Minarets#40]

1. broatchg - 68
2. bradshaw06 - 55
3. Semper454 - 54
4. maya - 54
5. Seanieb - 53
6. JamesM - 52
7. Senator12 - 51
8. Tgaucho - 50
9. Minarets#40 - 48
10. Martindcxle - 48
11. taparoo - 47
12. wingnut73 - 46
13. DMBgirl87 - 45
14. ant_marching41 - 44
15. MDrums54 - 43

[maya]

Did that count my SUAD change as of yesterday? Becuase i have 54 in my spreadsheet, but i haven't updated it yet...

[Minarets#40]

Did that count my SUAD change as of yesterday? Becuase i have 54 in my spreadsheet, but i haven't updated it yet...
you traded Stolen Away for it right?

good catch :o

[Minarets#40]

updated... my bad...

1. broatchg - 68
2. maya - 59
3. bradshaw06 - 55
4. Semper454 - 54
5. Seanieb - 53
6. JamesM - 52
7. Senator12 - 51
8. Tgaucho - 50
9. Minarets#40 - 48
10. Martindcxle - 48
11. taparoo - 47
12. wingnut73 - 46
13. DMBgirl87 - 45
14. ant_marching41 - 44
15. MDrums54 - 43

[maya]

you traded Stolen Away for it right?

good catch :o

Yes good sir i did indeed!

Why thankyou!

[broatchg]

first place :D