NFL Football 2007-2008

[41ravens]

new season, new thread. even though this will probably get lost and 3 more threads will be started before the season begins. but it's never too early to start talking football. 3 months till opening week.

personally, and call me a homer if you will, but i think my boys have a shot this year. hell, who doesn't have a shot in the nfc?

let the overanalysis and trash-talking begin.

[CrashDMB237]

J-E-T-S!

I know its going to be a battle for 2nd in the AFC East but I can't WAIT to see the development of this team. It's so nice actually looking forward to the season rather than dreading it.

[PipeandaCrepe]

cowboys could have won the superbowl last year if romo didn't fuck up the snap, or if his kick threw a decent block for him to run it in. anyway, while they still have a good team i don't think they will make it there w/ the new coaching staff and a new system and all. doesn't help them that they play in the toughest division in the NFC. i like romo a lot though; reminds me of a young favre the way he loves the game and always has a smile

[41ravens]

J-E-T-S!

I know its going to be a battle for 2nd in the AFC East but I can't WAIT to see the development of this team. It's so nice actually looking forward to the season rather than dreading it.

:thumbsup

[41ravens]

cowboys could have won the superbowl last year if romo didn't fuck up the snap, or if his kick threw a decent block for him to run it in. anyway, while they still have a good team i don't think they will make it there w/ the new coaching staff and a new system and all. doesn't help them that they play in the toughest division in the NFC. i like romo a lot though; reminds me of a young favre the way he loves the game and always has a smile

true, but still not that tough. people keep forgetting that the eagles weren't doing that great last year before mcnabb went down. the giants are so inconsistent it's crazy. and the skins are, well, the skins. but they usually all beat the crap out of each other anyways, so if we can go 4-2, 3-3 in the division, i'll be happy.

[PipeandaCrepe]

J-E-T-S!

I know its going to be a battle for 2nd in the AFC East but I can't WAIT to see the development of this team. It's so nice actually looking forward to the season rather than dreading it.

yeah i'm a packers fan and i actually have good expectations for this year. even though our offense looks like shit, we're really built up or defesne and we have premier players at each level. the D has improved in McCarthy's first year and should be even better next year. we had a ton of sacks (only diego, baltimore, and miami had more), a ton of INTs (only baltimore and chicago had more), and the 4th best 3rd down conversion percentage. only problem was that we gave up big plays at the wrong times which led to TDs. if we can get a clamp on that i think we will have one of the best defenses this year

[PipeandaCrepe]

true, but still not that tough. people keep forgetting that the eagles weren't doing that great last year before mcnabb went down. the giants are so inconsistent it's crazy. and the skins are, well, the skins. but they usually all beat the crap out of each other anyways, so if we can go 4-2, 3-3 in the division, i'll be happy.

i agree with what you say, and the cowboys def. have the best team in that division. i just think the new system there will take a little while to start working on gameday.

[SmoothD41]

Colts, repeat.

Word is Randy Moss is already half-assing it at workouts. Everyone's going to be all over the Pats bandwagon and thinking they already have the trophy (which I love, by the way), and the Colts are going to repeat.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Who doesn't have a shot in the NFC? All of them.

Personally, I can't wait for people to see the Patriots team, that actually has WR (which, they didn't last year), is going to = complete ass-fucking for the rest of the NFL.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Cowboys will be best in the NFC East, though. But, that doesn't say much.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Colts, repeat.

Word is Randy Moss is already half-assing it at workouts. Everyone's going to be all over the Pats bandwagon and thinking they already have the trophy (which I love, by the way), and the Colts are going to repeat.

i heard peyton was taking the first 7 games off this season to make more commercials

[dmbgodagirl41]

i heard peyton was taking the first 7 games off this season to make more commercials
:lol :lol

[41ravens]

Who doesn't have a shot in the NFC? All of them.

Personally, I can't wait for people to see the Patriots team, that actually has WR (which, they didn't last year), is going to = complete ass-fucking for the rest of the NFL.

i can't remember what week, but ne is playing @ dallas. that's my second most highly anticipated game of the season right behind dallas @ chicago.

[Hudak-Budak]

The road to the Super Bowl goes through Cleveland this year, my friends!

[dmbgodagirl41]

i can't remember what week, but ne is playing @ dallas. that's my second most highly anticipated game of the season right behind dallas @ chicago.

That'll be a good game. and it's 10/14 that they go to Dallas :) The 4:15 game, so it might be on in baltimore!

[PipeandaCrepe]

i can't remember what week, but ne is playing @ dallas. that's my second most highly anticipated game of the season right behind dallas @ chicago.

dallas will beat chicago, but not ne. they will win the superbowl this year

[dmbgodagirl41]

The road to the Super Bowl goes through Cleveland this year, my friends!

yeah it goes through it, doesn't stop there.

[PipeandaCrepe]

The road to the Super Bowl goes through Cleveland this year, my friends!

man cleveland might take over detroits reign as worst team over the past 5 years

[Hudak-Budak]

yeah it goes through it, doesn't stop there.

The hopes and dreams of you and Tom Brady will be ended by the Brownies this year. Mark it.

[Hudak-Budak]

man cleveland might take over detroits reign as worst team over the past 5 years

We've actually got someone on the O-line who can play above a high school level. That automatically makes us better than last year.

[41ravens]

i can't wait for cleveland to blow. cause dallas gets their pick. so i will be rooting for cleveland to lose every single game that they play. sorry hudak.

[PipeandaCrepe]

We've actually got someone on the O-line who can play above a high school level. That automatically makes us better than last year.

yeah he'll be good, not so sure about brady though

[Hudak-Budak]

i can't wait for cleveland to blow. cause dallas gets their pick. so i will be rooting for cleveland to lose every single game that they play. sorry hudak.

You son of a bitch.

[Hudak-Budak]

yeah he'll be good, not so sure about brady though

I'm iffy on Quinn. I always thought he was as overrated as you could get in college...but look at the alternative. Charlie Frye? Quinn's gotta be an improvement.

[PipeandaCrepe]

I'm iffy on Quinn. I always thought he was as overrated as you could get in college...but look at the alternative. Charlie Frye? Quinn's gotta be an improvement.

frye did kind of suck but the man had a cannon

[41ravens]

You son of a bitch.

hey man, it helped you guys get your golden boy. the least you can do is go 0-16 so dallas can get the #1 pick. i don't think that's asking too much.

[SmoothD41]

i heard peyton was taking the first 7 games off this season to make more commercials

:)

I hope I do see 2-3 new Manning commercials this year, i absolutely love them.

[Hudak-Budak]

frye did kind of suck but the man had a cannon

It's a shame he had to throw while he was scrambling every play because the O-line would collapse before the snap.

[dmbgodagirl41]

man cleveland might take over detroits reign as worst team over the past 5 years
Detroit is the worst franchise in the history of Pro Sports, so Cleveland has a LONG way to go before anyone even thinks they are at THAT level.
The hopes and dreams of you and Tom Brady will be ended by the Brownies this year. Mark it.
Yeah, okay, I'll mark my calendar for the 7th of October as D-Day. :lol
i can't wait for cleveland to blow. cause dallas gets their pick. so i will be rooting for cleveland to lose every single game that they play. sorry hudak.
Cleveland isn't even in the same Conference as Dallas, so wtf!? :lol You should more be rooting for Brady Quinn, aka vagina boy, aka likes to touch other guy's crotches, aka you stupid prick, why are you happy to play for cleveland to choke on his own lineman's fat ass. God, I hate Brady Quinn.
hey man, it helped you guys get your golden boy. the least you can do is go 0-16 so dallas can get the #1 pick. i don't think that's asking too much.

Golden SHOWER boy.

[41ravens]

Detroit is the worst franchise in the history of Pro Sports, so Cleveland has a LONG way to go before anyone even thinks they are at THAT level.

Yeah, okay, I'll mark my calendar for the 7th of October as D-Day. :lol

Cleveland isn't even in the same Conference as Dallas, so wtf!? :lol You should more be rooting for Brady Quinn, aka vagina boy, aka likes to touch other guy's crotches, aka you stupid prick, why are you happy to play for cleveland to choke on his own lineman's fat ass. God, I hate Brady Quinn.


Golden SHOWER boy.

oh, don't get me wrong. any other season and i wouldn't care. but part of the deal during the draft this year was that dallas gets cleveland's first round pick next year. the more they blow, the higher the pick for the cowboys.

[SteelerMan]

I'm predicting a 10-6 season and a wild card spot for the Steelers. People say they were a disappointment last season, but they finished 6-2. This is going to be a breakout year for Santonio Holmes. His improvement from the beginning to the end of last season was astonishing. Aside from his intensity and entertainment value, we're not going to miss Joey Porter. Haggans and Foote are more than sufficient, plus Woodley has looked like a beast in practices thus far. Timmons has been hurt on and off since the draft, but once he gets healthy, I think he's going to be a monster.

Edit: And since someone brought them up, I'm predicting the Browns will go 3-13.

[PipeandaCrepe]

I'm predicting a 10-6 season and a wild card spot for the Steelers. People say they were a disappointment last season, but they finished 6-2. This is going to be a breakout year for Santonio Holmes. His improvement from the beginning to the end of last season was astonishing. Aside from his intensity and entertainment value, we're not going to miss Joey Porter. Haggans and Foote are more than sufficient, plus Woodley has looked like a beast in practices thus far. Timmons has been hurt on and off since the draft, but once he gets healthy, I think he's going to be a monster.

Edit: And since someone brought them up, I'm predicting the Browns will go 3-13.

steelers aren't going anywhere if roethlesomething keeps throwing 30 times a game

[SteelerMan]

steelers aren't going anywhere if roethlesomething keeps throwing 30 times a game

Roethlisberger has been at his best his entire career while running the no huddle offense. I have no idea why they didn't do it more, but Tomlin is setting him loose and letting him do it as much as he wants. I think it's going to make a major difference in his performance this year. I do agree that they have to do a better job of establishing the running game than they did last year. Hopefully Kevan Barlow can be more effective than Najeh Davenport.

[Hudak-Budak]

steelers aren't going anywhere if roethlesomething keeps throwing 30 times a game

And stays away from the motorcycles.

[Tiduwho]

First things first...what was Romo THINKING????

http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2006/10/carrie-underwood-vanity-fair.jpg

[SteelerMan]

I think Romo is going to struggle this year. Cowboys should still win that division though. I think the NFC South is much better than the NFC East.

[Tiduwho]

Bears have one of the hardest schedules in the league this year. The problem is, 3 games on the schedule actually weigh the entire schedule down to a low percentage to be called 2nd easiest. Which is hilarious. Raiders, Lions, Lions. That's an 8-40 record sucking down. Which is 32 games in the lose column.

So what's so hard about the Bears schedule then? They play 7 to 8 teams that have the potential to get hot and become SUPER BOWL contenders this year, not to mention 3 to start the season:

Week 1 - @ San Diego
Week 2 - Kansas City
Week 3 - Dallas
Week 7 - @ Philly
Week 11 - @ Seattle
Week 12 - Denver
Week 13 - NY Giants
Week 17 - NO Saints


Redskins (week 14) have a chance at being good as well. So of their remaining 7 games on the schedule, they have 6 which are unchangeable division games, and ONE easy game...against the Raiders.

10 rotating teams on schedule, 9 of them tough games. This year couldn't be any more brutal for the Bears.

[41ravens]

First things first...what was Romo THINKING????

http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2006/10/carrie-underwood-vanity-fair.jpg

ok, imagine this...you're the starting quarterback for an nfl team and you've got a big game coming up. you're watching game film, reading your notes, and then the picture you posted comes walking into your room. what do you do?

gotta admire the man's dedication to the game. no excuses! play like a champion!

[Tiduwho]

ok, imagine this...you're the starting quarterback for an nfl team and you've got a big game coming up. you're watching game film, reading your notes, and then the picture you posted comes walking into your room. what do you do?

gotta admire the man's dedication to the game. no excuses! play like a champion!

I would realize it's the offseason, throw the notes down, and tell her to get her ass in bed!

[dmbgodagirl41]

oh, don't get me wrong. any other season and i wouldn't care. but part of the deal during the draft this year was that dallas gets cleveland's first round pick next year. the more they blow, the higher the pick for the cowboys.

ohhhhhh okay. I gotcha. Well then yeah, that's feasible.

Im just glad that NE is in a division that is so freaking horrible. When your closest competition is someone with Pennington at the helm, you don't have much to worry about.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Bears have one of the hardest schedules in the league this year. The problem is, 3 games on the schedule actually weigh the entire schedule down to a low percentage to be called 2nd easiest. Which is hilarious. Raiders, Lions, Lions. That's an 8-40 record sucking down. Which is 32 games in the lose column.

So what's so hard about the Bears schedule then? They play 7 to 8 teams that have the potential to get hot and become SUPER BOWL contenders this year, not to mention 3 to start the season:

Week 1 - @ San Diego
Week 2 - Kansas City
Week 3 - Dallas
Week 7 - @ Philly
Week 11 - @ Seattle
Week 12 - Denver
Week 13 - NY Giants
Week 17 - NO Saints


Redskins (week 14) have a chance at being good as well. So of their remaining 7 games on the schedule, they have 6 which are unchangeable division games, and ONE easy game...against the Raiders.

10 rotating teams on schedule, 9 of them tough games. This year couldn't be any more brutal for the Bears.

Newsflash: they should have the second hardest schedule of the year, in all honestly. It's how it works :lol The Bears should do well this year, considering their conference rivals that of a pop warner league :lol

[PipeandaCrepe]

packers are taking that division this year. the bears are a team in disorder, the vikings think they're hot w/ AP but AJ is going to knock his ass out, and the lions.... don't even need to be discussed

[SteelerMan]

So what's so hard about the Bears schedule then? They play 7 to 8 teams that have the potential to get hot and become SUPER BOWL contenders this year, not to mention 3 to start the season:

Week 1 - @ San Diego
Week 2 - Kansas City
Week 3 - Dallas
Week 7 - @ Philly
Week 11 - @ Seattle
Week 12 - Denver
Week 13 - NY Giants
Week 17 - NO Saints

You seriously think the Chiefs, Eagles, and Giants have the potential to be Super Bowl contenders this year? I don't.

[Dancing Ants]

You seriously think the Chiefs, Eagles, and Giants have the potential to be Super Bowl contenders this year? I don't.

i think the Giants melt down again this year...but with no Tiki, they really don't have much of a shot to get to even 8-8.

the eagles were saved by garcia...then they sent him packing. can holcomb be the same? i doubt it...

[PipeandaCrepe]

eagles- yes. giants and chiefs- no

[CrashDMB237]

ohhhhhh okay. I gotcha. Well then yeah, that's feasible.

Im just glad that NE is in a division that is so freaking horrible. When your closest competition is someone with Pennington at the helm, you don't have much to worry about.

Horrible division? I'm sorry not all of us can buy our way to success. And didn't that team with Pennington at the helm beat you last year and finish only a few games behind you?

[jordonh]

I cant wait for this season to start. I dont think i ever been anticipating the season this much.

86 Days
7 Hours
41 Minutes
23 Seconds

...until the cowboys opener!
Cowboys in the super bowl easily.ha

[PipeandaCrepe]

Horrible division? I'm sorry not all of us can buy our way to success. And didn't that team with Pennington at the helm beat you last year and finish only a few games behind you?

pennington throws like a sissy

ps: the pats haven't bought their way to success yet. in fact their previous success is because of the system, people would take pay cuts to play there

[CrashDMB237]

pennington throws like a sissy

Does he get the job done? Is he a winning QB in the NFL? Did he lead his team to the playoffs? Ok, next.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Does he get the job done? Is he a winning QB in the NFL? Did he lead his team to the playoffs? Ok, next.

and what did he do in the playoffs? he threw like a sissy and lost. ok, now we can move on

[SteelerMan]

Horrible division? I'm sorry not all of us can buy our way to success. And didn't that team with Pennington at the helm beat you last year and finish only a few games behind you?

I hate the Patriots too, but you can't exactly "buy your way to success" in a league where there's a salary cap.

[Dancing Ants]

I hate the Patriots too, but you can't exactly "buy your way to success" in a league where there's a salary cap.

they're trying hard, however.

[CrashDMB237]

and what did he do in the playoffs? he threw like a sissy and lost. ok, now we can move on

What did he do the last time he got into the playoffs? He was two botched field goals away from leading his team to the conference championship game. Get off his ass. This year's Jets team wasn't even good, they weren't even supposed to make it to the playoffs, Chad wasn't even supposed to finish half a season.

[PipeandaCrepe]

What did he do the last time he got into the playoffs? He was two botched field goals away from leading his team to the conference championship game. Get off his ass. This year's Jets team wasn't even good, they weren't even supposed to make it to the playoffs, Chad wasn't even supposed to finish half a season.

i'm not on his ass the way you are on mine. all i said was he throws like a sissy: meaning he can't throw the ball hard or deep. this is all i said, and its true. i didn't say he was a bad qb or couldn't win. so how about you just stop trying to cover up his weaknesses and accept it when people acknowledge them

[CrashDMB237]

I hate the Patriots too, but you can't exactly "buy your way to success" in a league where there's a salary cap.

Who besides Brady and Maroney have the Pats actually bred and built up? If people like their team winning because they trade for success, cool. But I prefer watching my team create the success. It lasts alot longer and its alot more fun to experience.

[CrashDMB237]

i'm not on his ass the way you are on mine. all i said was he throws like a sissy: meaning he can't throw the ball hard or deep. this is all i said, and its true. i didn't say he was a bad qb or couldn't win. so how about you just stop trying to cover up his weaknesses and accept it when people acknowledge them

Did I say anywhere that Chad DOESN'T throw like a sissy? My point is who gives a shit, it's not hurting him and it's not hurting his team.

[41ravens]

aaaahhhhh...the arguing has begun! now all we need is bignasty to show up and we'll have ourselves an nfl thread! ;)

[Dancing Ants]

Who besides Brady and Maroney have the Pats actually bred and built up? If people like their team winning because they trade for success, cool. But I prefer watching my team create the success. It lasts alot longer and its alot more fun to experience.

you telling me you wouldn't take 3 superbowl wins if you could have them?

[CrashDMB237]

you telling me you wouldn't take 3 superbowl wins if you could have them?

I would, but I'd much rather have one ring after sucking for two years and building your team up to championship status, its a whole lot more fulfilling. But sure, I'd take three rings, I'd just feel like a shallow motherfucker.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Did I say anywhere that Chad DOESN'T throw like a sissy? My point is who gives a shit, it's not hurting him and it's not hurting his team.

so you agree that he throws like a sissy?

and if you want some players that the pats have built up here you go:

Asante Samuel- lead the NFL in INTs last year and has been a patriot his entire career.

Richard Seymour: regarded as one of the best 3-4 ends in the league, has been a pat his whole career

Teddy Bruschi: been a pat his whole career, and i don't need to say anything about his accomplishments

Mike Vrabel: wasn't a starting LB till he went to the pats and he's nasty

oh and also their entire starting offensive line

[CrashDMB237]

Yea, and that didn't work out last year, so what do they do? Buy some more talent.

Look I'm not saying the Pats are bad, they obviously aren't, I'm just saying it's a whole lot more fulfilling when you build up a team rather than trade for your talent. Maybe it's because I'm a Jets fan and I've lived through a complete breakdown, house cleaning, and rebuild. Right now we're in year 2 and I feel like we already won a championship. Are we going to get any further this year than last? Probably not. But in this stage of rebuilding, it's all about progress.

[Dancing Ants]

I would, but I'd much rather have one ring after sucking for two years and building your team up to championship status, its a whole lot more fulfilling. But sure, I'd take three rings, I'd just feel like a shallow motherfucker.

well have fun with that. i'll take a superbowl however i can.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Horrible division? I'm sorry not all of us can buy our way to success. And didn't that team with Pennington at the helm beat you last year and finish only a few games behind you?

Buy our way to success? Okay, youve lived in a barn for the past 5 years and haven't noticed who we have lost due to not wanting to buy anyone.

The Patriots finally kind of get their heads out of their asses and start paying for WRs and we "buy" our way to success? Yeah, Okay, look up what the status of Asante Samuel is and let me know if you still feel the same way......

[dmbgodagirl41]

Does he get the job done? Is he a winning QB in the NFL? Did he lead his team to the playoffs? Ok, next.

To be fair, he didn't really lead his team to the playoffs...they made it there because other teams lost when they really shouldn't have.

Not to mention, youre in CT and a Jets fan. Horrible. Shame on you.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Yea, and that didn't work out last year, so what do they do? Buy some more talent.

Look I'm not saying the Pats are bad, they obviously aren't, I'm just saying it's a whole lot more fulfilling when you build up a team rather than trade for your talent. Maybe it's because I'm a Jets fan and I've lived through a complete breakdown, house cleaning, and rebuild. Right now we're in year 2 and I feel like we already won a championship. Are we going to get any further this year than last? Probably not. But in this stage of rebuilding, it's all about progress.

hey i agree w/ you on the rebuilding stuff because the packers are doing the same thing now. but you can't say the pats haven't built up anyone because all those guys on the defense i just listed will still be there. they added a ton of WRs this year because all of their receivers last year were shitty as hell. thats all they added, plus one more LB because some of their guys are getting old. and their system did work last year. they were the superbowl champs up until the second half of the AFC championship game

[dmbgodagirl41]

hey i agree w/ you on the rebuilding stuff because the packers are doing the same thing now. but you can't say the pats haven't built up anyone because all those guys on the defense i just listed will still be there. they added a ton of WRs this year because all of their receivers last year were shitty as hell. thats all they added, plus one more LB because some of their guys are getting old. and their system did work last year. they were the superbowl champs up until the second half of the AFC championship game

Correction: Until the refs decided to hand it to Indy. Let's make sure we have that one straight :)

Or, until we realized that we were fucked by having any kind of play rely on Caldwell. :lol

Either one.....

[PipeandaCrepe]

either way, you can't say that the pats have bought their way to success, that is really the opposite of why they got three rings. pretty ignorant statement i think

[CrashDMB237]

To be fair, he didn't really lead his team to the playoffs...they made it there because other teams lost when they really shouldn't have.

Not to mention, youre in CT and a Jets fan. Horrible. Shame on you.

1. Uh, we had tiebreakers throughout the Wild Card race, and we won when we needed to. We didn't need anyone's help to get into the playoffs.

2. So if you moved to Detroit you'd have to be a Lions fan or else you'd be a disgrace too right? You make no sense. How do you know where I was born and raised? I was unaware thats what our location on here was supposed to be.

[PipeandaCrepe]

1. Uh, we had tiebreakers throughout the Wild Card race, and we won when we needed to. We didn't need anyone's help to get into the playoffs.

2. So if you moved to Detroit you'd have to be a Lions fan or else you'd be a disgrace too right? You make no sense. How do you know where I was born and raised? I was unaware thats what our location on here was supposed to be.

well were you born in jersey? even if you were, doesn't change that you made the most ignorant statement of the day

[41ravens]

1. Uh, we had tiebreakers throughout the Wild Card race, and we won when we needed to. We didn't need anyone's help to get into the playoffs.

2. So if you moved to Detroit you'd have to be a Lions fan or else you'd be a disgrace too right? You make no sense. How do you know where I was born and raised? I was unaware thats what our location on here was supposed to be.

location pwn.

he does make a good point, though. i live in illinois and i'm the farthest thing from a bears' fan.

[CrashDMB237]

well were you born in jersey? even if you were, doesn't change that you made the most ignorant statement of the day

Actually, I was. Even if I was born in NY does that mean I have to be a Bills fan? That's some of the stupidest logic I've ever seen. You want to talk about ignorant statements? Telling someone they have to be a Pats fan because they live in CT is far more ignorant than what I said. At least I have some facts to back me (Thomas, Moss).

[SteelerMan]

Actually, I was. Even if I was born in NY does that mean I have to be a Bills fan? That's some of the stupidest logic I've ever seen. You want to talk about ignorant statements? Telling someone they have to be a Pats fan because they live in CT is far more ignorant than what I said. At least I have some facts to back me (Thomas, Moss).

Yeah... I'm pretty sure she was joking around with the location comment.

[CrashDMB237]

Yeah... I'm pretty sure she was joking around with the location comment.

No, she wasn't, because she did the same crap to me last year and actually had a big explanation as to why she was right.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Actually, I was. Even if I was born in NY does that mean I have to be a Bills fan? That's some of the stupidest logic I've ever seen. You want to talk about ignorant statements? Telling someone they have to be a Pats fan because they live in CT is far more ignorant than what I said. At least I have some facts to back me (Thomas, Moss).

eeaaasy there. i didn't make any statements, just asked if you were in fact from jersey. and if we use your logic for moss and thomas, then any team that picks up a player for a position that they need, then they are automatically buying their way to success. pretty lame buddy, i'm pretty sure you are only saying these things b/c you're a jets fan and want to bitch about the pats being the best team this year.

[CrashDMB237]

You're wrong. I said in the second post of this thread that I'm fully aware this is a race for second. And if you read any of my posts about rebuilding you'll see that I'm also fully aware that the Jets aren't going to make it any farther than they did last year. I couldn't give a shit who wins this year, I just want to see progress from the players on my team.

[dmbgodagirl41]

1. Uh, we had tiebreakers throughout the Wild Card race, and we won when we needed to. We didn't need anyone's help to get into the playoffs.

2. So if you moved to Detroit you'd have to be a Lions fan or else you'd be a disgrace too right? You make no sense. How do you know where I was born and raised? I was unaware thats what our location on here was supposed to be.

1. Its not like the Jets were going to make the playoffs regardless. They won, but because others lost they made it in. It wasn't the Jets winning alone that got them in the playoffs.

2. So you were born and raised in NJ? If so, I stand corrected. Not to mention, the "location" thing is always a running joke to me...Im well aware that someone can live in a city but be born somewhere else (Im in baltimore, but I'm a Pats fan). Breathe...it was just a comment.

[PipeandaCrepe]

You're wrong. I said in the second post of this thread that I'm fully aware this is a race for second. And if you read any of my posts about rebuilding you'll see that I'm also fully aware that the Jets aren't going to make it any farther than they did last year. I couldn't give a shit who wins this year, I just want to see progress from the players on my team.

well it looks like you've got a good mind set for this year. if you just stop making ignorant statements i think you'd be pretty solid

[dmbgodagirl41]

Actually, I was. Even if I was born in NY does that mean I have to be a Bills fan? That's some of the stupidest logic I've ever seen. You want to talk about ignorant statements? Telling someone they have to be a Pats fan because they live in CT is far more ignorant than what I said. At least I have some facts to back me (Thomas, Moss).

breathe, there, skippy, you could have just said "no, I'm from Jersey". I didn't say you have to be a pats fan, I just assumed you were from/born in/raised in CT.

sheesh.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Oh, and as my own personal "joke"/policy: any team where the fans spell out the name of that team will forever suck.

[PipeandaCrepe]

breathe, there, skippy, you could have just said "no, I'm from Jersey". I didn't say you have to be a pats fan, I just assumed you were from/born in/raised in CT.

sheesh.


i blame you for getting him so worked up

[UNC41]

Who besides Brady and Maroney have the Pats actually bred and built up? If people like their team winning because they trade for success, cool. But I prefer watching my team create the success. It lasts alot longer and its alot more fun to experience.

Orly? Three Super Bowls this decade disagree.

And do the names Seymore, Wilfork, Bruschi, Samuel, Light, Branch, Law, McGinest mean anything to you? Those are just quality players off the top of my head that the Pats have drafted that helped them to those rings this decade. You can't afford to pay every stud you draft in the NFL because of the cap, so some of those players get away. But to act like free agency and trades are the reason for New England's success is just flat wrong. Even if it was, who cares. Those are just as much part of a GM's job as drafting is.

You just sound like a bitter Jets fan. And this is coming from a bitter Miami fan.

EDIT: What would a Jets fan know about success anyway?

[dmbgodagirl41]

i blame you for getting him so worked up

Yeah, I'm such a shithead.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Orly? Three Super Bowls this decade disagree.

And do the names Seymore, Wilfork, Bruschi, Samuel, Light, Branch, Law, McGinest mean anything to you? Those are just quality players off the top of my head that the Pats have drafted that helped them to those rings this decade. You can't afford to pay every stud you draft in the NFL because of the cap, so some of those players get away. But to act like free agency and trades are the reason for New England's success is just flat wrong. Even if it was, who cares. Those are just as much part of a GM's job as drafting is.

You just sound like a bitter Jets fan. And this is coming from a bitter Miami fan.

EDIT: What would a Jets fan know about success anyway?

They know all about Super Bowl III and the flea-flicker, BITCH.

[Cee-ville]

If ANY team is coming outta NY for the post-season, it's gonna be my GIANTS!!!

We crushin' tha Cowboys and sorry-azz Redskins!

And, forget the Whack-Pats...They need to teach their players how to ride Jet skis...:lol

[UNC41]

They know all about Super Bowl III and the flea-flicker, BITCH.

Remember, you're talking to a guy who considers anything less than an undefeated season unsuccessful.

[UNC41]

If ANY team is coming outta NY for the post-season, it's gonna be my GIANTS!!!

We crushin' tha Cowboys and sorry-azz Redskins!

And, forget the Whack-Pats...They need to teach their players how to ride Jet skis...:lol

Knibb High football rules!!!!!!!!

[PipeandaCrepe]

If ANY team is coming outta NY for the post-season, it's gonna be my GIANTS!!!

We crushin' tha Cowboys and sorry-azz Redskins!

And, forget the Whack-Pats...They need to teach their players how to ride Jet skis...:lol


:thumbsdow

[SteelerMan]

And, forget the Whack-Pats...They need to teach their players how to ride Jet skis...:lol

Yeah... nothing funnier than a guy dying after falling off a jet ski. :freak

[SteelerMan]

Yea, and that didn't work out last year, so what do they do? Buy some more talent.

Look I'm not saying the Pats are bad, they obviously aren't, I'm just saying it's a whole lot more fulfilling when you build up a team rather than trade for your talent. Maybe it's because I'm a Jets fan and I've lived through a complete breakdown, house cleaning, and rebuild. Right now we're in year 2 and I feel like we already won a championship. Are we going to get any further this year than last? Probably not. But in this stage of rebuilding, it's all about progress.

Wait a minute... how did your Jets acquire Thomas Jones? Ohhhh yeah, they traded for him. And their running back before him? Curtis Martin? That's right, they signed him. And their top receiver, Santana Moss? Another trade. Your defensive end, Kimo Von Oelhoeffen? Another free agent. I guess you're going to be pretty unfulfilled this season while the Jets are winning with so many players they didn't develop themselves.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Wait a minute... how did your Jets acquire Thomas Jones? Ohhhh yeah, they traded for him. And their running back before him? Curtis Martin? That's right, they signed him. And their top receiver, Santana Moss? Another trade. Your defensive end, Kimo Von Oelhoeffen? Another free agent. I guess you're going to be pretty unfulfilled this season while the Jets are winning with so many players they didn't develop themselves.

i think he realized that he's an idiot and left

[UNC41]

Wait a minute... how did your Jets acquire Thomas Jones? Ohhhh yeah, they traded for him. And their running back before him? Curtis Martin? That's right, they signed him. And their top receiver, Santana Moss? Another trade. Your defensive end, Kimo Von Oelhoeffen? Another free agent. I guess you're going to be pretty unfulfilled this season while the Jets are winning with so many players they didn't develop themselves.

But they drafted Jesus Pennington.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Yeah... nothing funnier than a guy dying after falling off a jet ski. :freak

unless its a fall off a motorcycle.:cool

[dmbgodagirl41]

Remember, you're talking to a guy who considers anything less than an undefeated season unsuccessful.

:lol

[CrashDMB237]

i think he realized that he's an idiot and left

It's called having a job, life, and things to do.If you think trading for Randy Moss and signing Adalius Thomas is on the same level as trading for Thomas Jones and signing Kimo Van Oelhoffen, you're mistaken. And Katie... pleeease tell me you don't remember last year when you reemed into me for being a disgrace for living in CT and not being a Pats fan.

And to the Giants fan... I love your optimism, but for your own sake, you need to sit down and look at your situation. Eli has gotten no better, Tiki is gone, your coach is a mess, Jeremy Shockey is a circus and your corners still are going to get their tits lit. Aaron Ross will help but it seems like every Ted Ginn highlight I've seen, he's burning Ross.

[41ravens]

If ANY team is coming outta NY for the post-season, it's gonna be my GIANTS!!!

We crushin' tha Cowboys and sorry-azz Redskins!

And, forget the Whack-Pats...They need to teach their players how to ride Jet skis...:lol

a couple things...

1. the giants? really? cause last i checked, they fucking sucked nuts.

2. you just used "tha" and "sorry-azz" in the same sentence. you lose any credibility you had left after the giants statement.

3. that's just fucked up.

sorry, looks like the evidence is all there...you're a douche.

[CrashDMB237]

Yea seriously, at least I'm not the biggest douche in this thread anymore.

[Cee-ville]

1. Ha ha...
2. Ha Ha HA...
3. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Just call me Summers Eve...like I care.

Disclaimer: I wasn't trying to diss on Marquise, that's why I didn't name him...just the Pats. You guys are some sensitive football fans...

[CrashDMB237]

Are you really trying to defend the Giants AND your douchebag statement? Give me one reason why the Giants will be successful.

[SteelerMan]

Disclaimer: I wasn't trying to diss on Marquise, that's why I didn't name him...just the Pats. You guys are some sensitive football fans...

Ohhh, okay. I'm sorry I didn't laugh at your joke about a guy dying. I really need to get a better sense of humor.

I know you weren't trying to be offensive and meant well... I just didn't think it was funny.

[41ravens]

1. Ha ha...
2. Ha Ha HA...
3. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Just call me Summers Eve...like I care.

Disclaimer: I wasn't trying to diss on Marquise, that's why I didn't name him...just the Pats. You guys are some sensitive football fans...

man, i don't know what to say. you've got me by the short ones there. well-crafted retaliation, sir.


douche.

[SteelerMan]

It's called having a job, life, and things to do.If you think trading for Randy Moss and signing Adalius Thomas is on the same level as trading for Thomas Jones and signing Kimo Van Oelhoffen, you're mistaken. And Katie... pleeease tell me you don't remember last year when you reemed into me for being a disgrace for living in CT and not being a Pats fan.

So... it's okay to trade for players and sign free agents, just as long as they're not really good players?

Thomas Jones is more valuable than Randy Moss, by the way.

[Cee-ville]

Are you really trying to defend the Giants AND your douchebag statement? Give me one reason why the Giants will be successful.

This is hilarious....

Look, Crash you've already said your piece:

And to the Giants fan... I love your optimism, but for your own sake, you need to sit down and look at your situation. Eli has gotten no better, Tiki is gone, your coach is a mess, Jeremy Shockey is a circus and your corners still are going to get their tits lit. Aaron Ross will help but it seems like every Ted Ginn highlight I've seen, he's burning Ross.

What more do you really want me to say? I have nothing against your precious Jets, Steelers, or Cowboys.

Maybe I'm just too used to the "lively" discussions here in DC with all of the head-up-their-ass (<happy 41?) Redskins fans...and got carried away in here...either way, I was ONLY PLAYING.

...I really need to get a better sense of humor...

I don't know what you need, dude; but, if you really think everyone and their mothers weren't making way worse comments on Roethlisberger after his accident, you're trippin' (< Whoops!! My Bad 41..."crazy").

Have a nice weekend...:)

[Aubrie]

Go Dolphins.

[Tiduwho]

You seriously think the Chiefs, Eagles, and Giants have the potential to be Super Bowl contenders this year? I don't.

Did you really think the Saints were going in?


Those three all have the potential imo. Eli could live up to his potential, and the team has serious talent if they'd get their head out of their ass and stop whining.

I know everyone is down on McNabb for some reason, God knows why, as if Garcia was the only reason they were any good. But believe me, when he's healthy there isn't a QB in the NFC that even comes close. Bulger and Brees are his only competition.

Larry Johnson and Damon Huard? Who knows. I'm not on the Huard bandwagon or anything, but he sure looked solid last year.

[Tiduwho]

I can't wait til BigNasty joins the fray. He'd be giving this Jet fan some serious hell right now. :lol

[CrashDMB237]

But the thing is, I don't care. I already said I don't care who wins and I know its arleady going to be the Pats. I just want my team to progress.

[denaturex]

You can't just give up on winning the AFC East, you got to have a little optimism. (Even though the pats are going to win the division, probable the super bowl) But You can't start the season with that attitude.

GO JETS!!!!!

[icanfeeltherain]

man i found this much too late, i missed some good stuff

[41ravens]

man i found this much too late, i missed some good stuff

the season's still 3 months away. then there's the actual season. there will be plenty more, trust me. just check out last season's thread for reference.

[SteelerMan]

I love how so many people are ready to hand the Pats the Super Bowl. Reminds me of when the Steelers won the Super Bowl after everyone was ready to crown the Colts' asses. :cool

[Tiduwho]

I love how so many people are ready to hand the Pats the Super Bowl. Reminds me of when the Steelers won the Super Bowl after everyone was ready to crown the Colts' asses. :cool

You're lucky Nick Harper's wife stabbed the shit out of his leg.

[Hudak-Budak]

Edit: And since someone brought them up, I'm predicting the Browns will go 3-13.

I consider a Steeler's loss to be just as good as a Browns win. So in my mind, I think we'll be right around the .500 mark. Probably better.

[SteelerMan]

You're lucky Nick Harper's wife stabbed the shit out of his leg.

And the Colts are lucky the refs overturned Polamalu's interception (still one of the worst calls I've ever seen) to allow them to get back into the game in the first place.

[Tiduwho]

And the Colts are lucky the refs overturned Polamalu's interception (still one of the worst calls I've ever seen) to allow them to get back into the game in the first place.

Agreed. :lol

[PipeandaCrepe]

Yea seriously, at least I'm not the biggest douche in this thread anymore.

its about time


You're lucky Nick Harper's wife stabbed the shit out of his leg.

:lol very lucky

[thewarehouse33]

lI know everyone is down on McNabb for some reason, God knows why, as if Garcia was the only reason they were any good. But believe me, when he's healthy there isn't a QB in the NFC that even comes close.

McNabb has already practiced with the team well, well ahead of schedule and reports are that he is in the best shape of his life. He seems very hungry for a superbowl now that the years are starting to creep up on him. However, in the end, if the Eagles win a superbowl, it will be because of Brian Westbrook and the offensive line (which us Eagles fans are very, very excited about).

[dmbgodagirl41]

who has two thumbs and is going to be ecstatic when the eagles suck, making the whole city of philly upset?

(points to self) THIS GIRL!

:lol ;)

[~Crashintome89~]

who has two thumbs and is going to be ecstatic when the eagles suck, making the whole city of philly upset?

(points to self) THIS GIRL!

:lol ;)

Did Tom Brady fuck another girl, get her pregnant and walk out on her?

[dmbfd15]

Let's go COWBOYS!

[dmbgodagirl41]

Did Tom Brady fuck another girl, get her pregnant and walk out on her?

No, he has yet to do that to anyone.

[~Crashintome89~]

No, he has yet to do that to anyone.

No what about that chick? Is he still with her?

[dmbgodagirl41]

No what about that chick? Is he still with her?

He didn't walk out on her. Maybe you read something wrong or whatever.

[Rockhound18]

The Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to the playoffs, and have a good shot at a bye. Once you get to the playoffs, the AFC is a crapshoot though since the AFC is loaded with the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, and other "sleepers" (if you could even call them that - Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, mayyybe the Dolphins). Defense of their chances at grabbing one of the two byes.

Schedule
1: Ravens (MNF)
2: @ Browns
3: @ Seahawks
4: Patriots (MNF)
BYE Week
5: @ Chiefs
6: Jets
7: Steelers
8: @ Bills
9: @ Ravens
10: Cardinals
11: Titans
12: @ Steelers
13: Rams
14: @ 49ers
15: Browns
16: @ Dolphins

Assuming (at worst) they split with the Ravens and Steelers, the only games I wouldnt expect them to win is Seattle (tough place to play), the Patriots, and maybe the Titans (all on Young) and Dolphins (week 17, so who knows what team will show up for that game). As a result, I expect the Bengals to be at least 10-6, and maybe as good as 13-3.

There just aren't nearly as many tough games on the schedule as there were last year, and they finished 8-8 playing like garbage. That happened despite: losing 1 game to TB on a veryyyy questionable roughing call, lost to P'burgh on a missed 40 yrd field goal, lost something like a 24 pt lead to the Chargers, lost a chance to beat the Broncos bc of a missed PAT with seconds left.

Of course, only time will tell. I expect less of the field issues and better play compared to last year. Super Bowl champs... I dont know about that. But a contender, I think so...

[UNC41]

The Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to the playoffs, and have a good shot at a bye. Once you get to the playoffs, the AFC is a crapshoot though since the AFC is loaded with the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, and other "sleepers" (if you could even call them that - Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, mayyybe the Dolphins). Defense of their chances at grabbing one of the two byes.

Schedule
1: Ravens (MNF)
2: @ Browns
3: @ Seahawks
4: Patriots (MNF)
BYE Week
5: @ Chiefs
6: Jets
7: Steelers
8: @ Bills
9: @ Ravens
10: Cardinals
11: Titans
12: @ Steelers
13: Rams
14: @ 49ers
15: Browns
16: @ Dolphins

Assuming (at worst) they split with the Ravens and Steelers, the only games I wouldnt expect them to win is Seattle (tough place to play), the Patriots, and maybe the Titans (all on Young) and Dolphins (week 17, so who knows what team will show up for that game). As a result, I expect the Bengals to be at least 10-6, and maybe as good as 13-3.

There just aren't nearly as many tough games on the schedule as there were last year, and they finished 8-8 playing like garbage. That happened despite: losing 1 game to TB on a veryyyy questionable roughing call, lost to P'burgh on a missed 40 yrd field goal, lost something like a 24 pt lead to the Chargers, lost a chance to beat the Broncos bc of a missed PAT with seconds left.

Of course, only time will tell. I expect less of the field issues and better play compared to last year. Super Bowl champs... I dont know about that. But a contender, I think so...

You're underestimating that schedule. Tough games will be ... Baltimore (2), Pittsburgh (2), Seattle, New England, Chiefs, Jets, Cardinals. Miami and Tennessee are capable of beating Cinci as well.

[41ravens]

You're underestimating that schedule. Tough games will be ... Baltimore (2), Pittsburgh (2), Seattle, New England, Chiefs, Jets, Cardinals. Miami and Tennessee are capable of beating Cinci as well.

he's also assuming the entire team stays out of jail.

[Rockhound18]

You're underestimating that schedule. Tough games will be ... Baltimore (2), Pittsburgh (2), Seattle, New England, Chiefs, Jets, Cardinals. Miami and Tennessee are capable of beating Cinci as well.

So assuming they win roughly half of those tough games, which they are capable of doing, that still puts them somewhere between 12-4 and 10-6, which puts them in the playoffs for sure. In fact, the only game I dont see them being favored in is vs. New England, Baltimore (away) and Seattle (and thats only because its in Seattle). If the Bengals lose 6 games or more this year, I will consider it a very underachieving season to say the least.

[41ravens]

in other news, i'm ready for this season to start. i'm very excited to see how phillips handles the issues on defense. i'm expecting merriman-like numbers out of ware. he's always been good. hopefully he'll only get better in the new system. i'm also interested to see how they address the problem of roy williams not being able to cover a 12-year old girl on a deep route. but from what i'm hearing, it sounds like good things are happening.

[tedies]

he's also assuming the entire team stays out of jail.
eh nobody really misses time going to jail. They usually get suspended for getting arrested :rolleyes 99% of our starters will never get in trouble in their lives so no one is worried about that except people who don't know what their talking about

[Hudak-Budak]

The Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to the playoffs, and have a good shot at a bye. Once you get to the playoffs, the AFC is a crapshoot though since the AFC is loaded with the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, and other "sleepers" (if you could even call them that - Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, mayyybe the Dolphins). Defense of their chances at grabbing one of the two byes.

Schedule
1: Ravens (MNF)
2: @ Browns
3: @ Seahawks
4: Patriots (MNF)
BYE Week
5: @ Chiefs
6: Jets
7: Steelers
8: @ Bills
9: @ Ravens
10: Cardinals
11: Titans
12: @ Steelers
13: Rams
14: @ 49ers
15: Browns
16: @ Dolphins

Assuming (at worst) they split with the Ravens and Steelers, the only games I wouldnt expect them to win is Seattle (tough place to play), the Patriots, and maybe the Titans (all on Young) and Dolphins (week 17, so who knows what team will show up for that game). As a result, I expect the Bengals to be at least 10-6, and maybe as good as 13-3.

There just aren't nearly as many tough games on the schedule as there were last year, and they finished 8-8 playing like garbage. That happened despite: losing 1 game to TB on a veryyyy questionable roughing call, lost to P'burgh on a missed 40 yrd field goal, lost something like a 24 pt lead to the Chargers, lost a chance to beat the Broncos bc of a missed PAT with seconds left.

Of course, only time will tell. I expect less of the field issues and better play compared to last year. Super Bowl champs... I dont know about that. But a contender, I think so...

The Bengals aren't even the best team in Ohio.

[Rockhound18]

The Bengals aren't even the best team in Ohio.

Yeah I know. Theyre not the best team in Ohio... theyre the best team in the AFC North. Thanks for the correction. :cool

[41ravens]

So assuming they win roughly half of those tough games, which they are capable of doing, that still puts them somewhere between 12-4 and 10-6, which puts them in the playoffs for sure. In fact, the only game I dont see them being favored in is vs. New England, Baltimore (away) and Seattle (and thats only because its in Seattle). If the Bengals lose 6 games or more this year, I will consider it a very underachieving season to say the least.

as crazy as it sounds, 10-6 might barely make the playoffs in the afc. but i think the bengals have a good chance of winning their division. it'll be tough, though. cause i don't expect pittsburgh to have a season like last year and the ravens will be tough as well. that'll be a fun division to watch.

[41ravens]

eh nobody really misses time going to jail. They usually get suspended for getting arrested :rolleyes 99% of our starters will never get in trouble in their lives so no one is worried about that except people who don't know what their talking about

i know. i just wanted to make the first bengals = felons joke.

[Hudak-Budak]

as crazy as it sounds, 10-6 might barely make the playoffs in the afc. but i think the bengals have a good chance of winning their division. it'll be tough, though. cause i don't expect pittsburgh to have a season like last year and the ravens will be tough as well. that'll be a fun division to watch.

The Browns will be busy getting you guys a good first round pick.

[UNC41]

So assuming they win roughly half of those tough games, which they are capable of doing, that still puts them somewhere between 12-4 and 10-6, which puts them in the playoffs for sure. In fact, the only game I dont see them being favored in is vs. New England, Baltimore (away) and Seattle (and thats only because its in Seattle). If the Bengals lose 6 games or more this year, I will consider it a very underachieving season to say the least.

Finishing 12-4 is about the best possible situation for Cinci. The Bengals are at best the fifth best team in the AFC. They've got a tough schedule and to say they have a "good shot" at a bye just isn't true.

[41ravens]

The Browns will be busy getting you guys a good first round pick.

:thumbsup

that's what i like to hear. anything past #4 and i will be disappointed.

[Hudak-Budak]

:thumbsup

that's what i like to hear. anything past #4 and i will be disappointed.

We always try to finish in the top 3. Some would call us overachievers.

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lol

[tedies]

Yeah I know. Theyre not the best team in Ohio... theyre the best team in the AFC North. Thanks for the correction. :cool
:thumbsup To say the Browns are better than anyone in the AFC North is just laughable.

as crazy as it sounds, 10-6 might barely make the playoffs in the afc. but i think the bengals have a good chance of winning their division. it'll be tough, though. cause i don't expect pittsburgh to have a season like last year and the ravens will be tough as well. that'll be a fun division to watch.
It is going to be a crazy season to watch this year. However I think Pittsburgh will be a little lackluster what with a new coach and players that have been less than excited to play for them this year. Of course it is the steelers so there is no easy way of winning a game with them on the opposite side of the field
i know. i just wanted to make the first bengals = felons joke.
its all most can ever say when you mention the Bengals, like no one else gets in trouble in the NFL

[UNC41]

its all most can ever say when you mention the Bengals, like no one else gets in trouble in the NFL

I can say they underachieved last year. What do I win?

[dmbgodagirl41]

its all most can ever say when you mention the Bengals, like no one else gets in trouble in the NFL

Convo last night:

Me: So, you excited for the football season?
Dad: Eh, I guess. I just wanna see who gets arrested on the Ravens first.
Me: I think you mean the Bengals.
Dad: Yeah, cuz a current guy on the Bengals has killed someone.
Me: WATCHED someone get killed, GET IT RIGHT.
Dad: Oh, sorry. How about that current drug trafficker?
Me: He's not on the Ravens anymore. Besides, I'm a Patriots fan, not a Ravens fan.
Dad: You live in Baltimore. You have to like them or you might get shot.
Me: Touche.

[Hudak-Budak]

:thumbsup To say the Browns are better than anyone in the AFC North is just laughable.

Hey, man...I've gotta keep the faith.

[Dancing Ants]

in other news, i'm ready for this season to start. i'm very excited to see how phillips handles the issues on defense. i'm expecting merriman-like numbers out of ware. he's always been good. hopefully he'll only get better in the new system. i'm also interested to see how they address the problem of roy williams not being able to cover a 12-year old girl on a deep route. but from what i'm hearing, it sounds like good things are happening.

not to be drinking too much cool-aid...but this may very well be the cowboys' year. I'm hoping they can come together in the new system and really be productive.

[tedies]

I can say they underachieved last year. What do I win?
Thats a valid statement, This year will go more smoothly I believe
Convo last night:

Me: So, you excited for the football season?
Dad: Eh, I guess. I just wanna see who gets arrested on the Ravens first.
Me: I think you mean the Bengals.
Dad: Yeah, cuz a current guy on the Bengals has killed someone.
Me: WATCHED someone get killed, GET IT RIGHT.
Dad: Oh, sorry. How about that current drug trafficker?
Me: He's not on the Ravens anymore. Besides, I'm a Patriots fan, not a Ravens fan.
Dad: You live in Baltimore. You have to like them or you might get shot.
Me: Touche.
Yea football is something that is played on the field, you and your dad should probably start knowing stuff that goes on during the season and on the field instead of talking about meaningless shit thats not even true.

[gravedigger13]

With all of the coverage that ESPN has devoted to the NFL, you'd think the season never ended.

Also - If Rod Marinnelli does not release Shaun Rogers, his entire philosophy is thrown right out the window. And his credibility.

John Kitna thinks the Lions can go 10-6. That's funny.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Thats a valid statement, This year will go more smoothly I believe

Yea football is something that is played on the field, you and your dad should probably start knowing stuff that goes on during the season and on the field instead of talking about meaningless shit thats not even true.

what part did my dad/I say that isn't true?

Ray Lewis DID watch a guy get killed and Jamal Lewis was trafficking drugs.

[41ravens]

not to be drinking too much cool-aid...but this may very well be the cowboys' year. I'm hoping they can come together in the new system and really be productive.

:thumbsup

it's been a while since i've had high expectations going into a season. it feels good.

[SteelerMan]

as crazy as it sounds, 10-6 might barely make the playoffs in the afc. but i think the bengals have a good chance of winning their division. it'll be tough, though. cause i don't expect pittsburgh to have a season like last year and the ravens will be tough as well. that'll be a fun division to watch.

Definitely. The AFC North is just brutal. You can make a strong argument for the Ravens, Bengals, or Steelers winning the division. 10-6 is a reasonable expectation for the Bengals. I don't see them finishing any better than 11-5 at best.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Definitely. The AFC North is just brutal. You can make a strong argument for the Ravens, Bengals, or Steelers winning the division. 10-6 is a reasonable expectation for the Bengals. I don't see them finishing any better than 11-5 at best.

Is it bad that the only reason why I want the Steelers to lose is because last year I met this really ugly annoying chick who was a .... shit, whats that term you use to describe chicks from Pittsburgh??.... whatever you said....and she pretty much threatened to punch me in the face for owning a Tom Brady jersey and not wanting to lick benny boy's ass.

So, whatever makes her upset would make me happy. But other than that, I hope the Steelers have a good year:thumbsup

[tedies]

Definitely. The AFC North is just brutal. You can make a strong argument for the Ravens, Bengals, or Steelers winning the division. 10-6 is a reasonable expectation for the Bengals. I don't see them finishing any better than 11-5 at best.
You can say that again. Ill be happy with a 10-6 record that would more than likely get us in the playoffs and maybe even a afc north championship if we win the right games. There is no reason why this team shouldn't be winning games

[dmbgodagirl41]

I still want to know what was so horrible about me and my dad stating the obvious :lol

[UNC41]

Is it bad that the only reason why I want the Steelers to lose is because last year I met this really ugly annoying chick who was a .... shit, whats that term you use to describe chicks from Pittsburgh??.... whatever you said....and she pretty much threatened to punch me in the face for owning a Tom Brady jersey and not wanting to lick benny boy's ass.

So, whatever makes her upset would make me happy. But other than that, I hope the Steelers have a good year:thumbsup

The funny thing is I can picture you doing this to someone wearing the jersey of any QB other than Tom Brady.

[dmbgodagirl41]

The funny thing is I can picture you doing this to someone wearing the jersey of any QB other than Tom Brady.

Actually, I'm not roudy in that way at all. I surround myself with fellow Pats fans, and don't actually go looking to threaten someone. I only do that when someone threatens me first.

Unless you have on a yankees tee shirt, then I'll tell you they suck :)

[TempHelpNeeded]

I hope the Steelers suck personally.


I'm not saying they are a shoe-in, cause there is no such thing as a shoe-in in the NFL. But I think my New England Patriots are gonna have quite a year. As long as they can find rhythm in their offense. Defense will have same players from last year. We get Seau back who before his injury was leading the team in tackles. He was owning. But the injury hurt. Harrison also has to play healthy. Thomas is great! :thumbsup


It's all how Brady will connect with Stallworth and Moss. He needs to find out what they are gonna be like for him. Cause then he has his normal Tight Ends and decent receivers in Wes Welker, Kelley Washington, Gaffney, and "Deer Eyes" Caldwell.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I'll give Tommy a tight end.

[tedies]

I hope the Steelers suck personally.

me too :evil

[UNC41]

I ordered this shirt last night. Pure awesomeness.

http://cgi.ebay.com/XXL-bears-suck-green-bay-packers-football-emo-t-shirt_W0QQitemZ300054929220QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1568 7QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[Cee-ville]

...you're a douche.


...douche.

As an equal opportunity douche...the Giants need to teach some motorcyle safety as well... (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2908206):rolleyes

[dmbgodagirl41]

I ordered this shirt last night. Pure awesomeness.

http://cgi.ebay.com/XXL-bears-suck-green-bay-packers-football-emo-t-shirt_W0QQitemZ300054929220QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1568 7QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

then you probably love this one
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/debo80s/ShowLetter-4.jpg

[dmbgodagirl41]

As an equal opportunity douche...the Giants need to teach some motorcyle safety as well... (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2908206):rolleyes

DAMMIT does that mean he wont be in the Eastern Motors commercials?!?!?!

[Tiduwho]

Is it bad that the only reason why I want the Steelers to lose is because last year I met this really ugly annoying chick who was a .... shit, whats that term you use to describe chicks from Pittsburgh??.... whatever you said....and she pretty much threatened to punch me in the face for owning a Tom Brady jersey and not wanting to lick benny boy's ass.


Was this her?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/quick215/SteelersFan.jpg

[Tiduwho]

I ordered this shirt last night. Pure awesomeness.

http://cgi.ebay.com/XXL-bears-suck-green-bay-packers-football-emo-t-shirt_W0QQitemZ300054929220QQihZ020QQcategoryZ1568 7QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem


What makes it emo?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Was this her?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/quick215/SteelersFan.jpg

:lol :lol :lol where the hell did you find that?

And no, that girl looks actually friendly. This chick had the "I'm going to kill you all with my mean face" look to her.

[UNC41]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

then you probably love this one
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/debo80s/ShowLetter-4.jpg

No access from work. I'll look at it tonight.

What makes it emo?

I have no idea. One of my good friends and his two brothers are the most annoying Bears fans I've ever met, so I've grown to really dislike them (almost as much as the Pats) based on watching games with those two. He's coming down here for a bachelor party I'm throwing in July and I can't wait to wear the shirt the day he arrives.

[dmbgodagirl41]

No access from work. I'll look at it tonight.



I have no idea. One of my good friends and his two brothers are the most annoying Bears fans I've ever met, so I've grown to really dislike them (almost as much as the Pats) based on watching games with those two. He's coming down here for a bachelor party I'm throwing in July and I can't wait to wear the shirt the day he arrives.

It's a picture of someone who shot a bear, but they super imposed peyton's face on the guy who shot it. :lol I don't like manning, but I found it so funny.

[SteelerMan]

I hope the Steelers suck personally.

Your avatar makes it difficult for me to get angry at you. :D

[Dancing Ants]

:thumbsup

it's been a while since i've had high expectations going into a season. it feels good.

same here. with a promising QB everything just looks much better. at least better than a different 35yr old QB every year.

[Tiduwho]

same here. with a promising QB everything just looks much better. at least better than a different 35yr old QB every year.

Hey hey, don't shortchange Vinny.




He was much older than 35.

[Dancing Ants]

Hey hey, don't shortchange Vinny.




He was much older than 35.

i was hinting at Bledsoe more than Vinnie.

[UNC41]

Was this her?

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/quick215/SteelersFan.jpg

It's rare when the XXL on the front of a shirt is smaller than the shirt's size. Nice find.

[icanfeeltherain]

DAMMIT does that mean he wont be in the Eastern Motors commercials?!?!?!

:lol:lol:lol:lol he is a terrible actor, everytime i see him scream "CUSTOMER SERVICE" with his half cracking voice makes me laugh for about 5 min

[thedeathwish]

all i have to say, is that the 49ers are back bitches!!!

[icanfeeltherain]

all i have to say, is that the 49ers are back bitches!!!
we'll see about that one, I do think they have a chance to win the west...al depending on alex smith, and their one competition to the north....Shaun alexander and hasselbeck should be back at full stride this season

[thedeathwish]

i think one thing that will help my 49ers is a weak schedule. Smith has decent recievers to throw too (Jackson, that man named Ashley and Vernon Davis), the defense is way better. Assuming the team can gel and we don't get the injury bug too bad, we are hopefully in good shape.

[icanfeeltherain]

i think one thing that will help my 49ers is a weak schedule. Smith has decent recievers to throw too (Jackson, that man named Ashley and Vernon Davis), the defense is way better. Assuming the team can gel and we don't get the injury bug too bad, we are hopefully in good shape.
i tend to agree with you...I had forgotten that they got Ashley Lelie, he had a decent year with the falcons last year, but vick seemed to always forget about his receivers other than alge crumpler....Lelie needs to return to his denver days. I think in 2004 he had over 1000 yards, that can definately help a young qb

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lol:lol:lol:lol he is a terrible actor, everytime i see him scream "CUSTOMER SERVICE" with his half cracking voice makes me laugh for about 5 min

He's an acting genius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vySDU1A0A

[Nick@Night]

Patriots!!

[icanfeeltherain]

He's an acting genius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vySDU1A0A
love it! :thumbsup

[dmbgodagirl41]

Patriots!!

BLAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!

TOMMY!!!

[CrashDMB237]

"As for [Thomas] Jones, he doesn't sound like a guy who's focused on facing the Patriots twice a year. Of course, that's Mangini's job. But perhaps Jones knows that it could be worse. He could be on the other side of the Hudson trying to imitate Tiki Barber."

Oh how I love seeing the Giants nearly in shambles.

[jordonh]

[QUOTE=gravedigger13;6174359]With all of the coverage that ESPN has devoted to the NFL, you'd think the season never ended.
QUOTE]

That is because the NFL is the only sport with any hope. Just look at the NBA and hockey..bigtime downhill

[seekupig]

the Chiefs schedule has me a bit worried this year... aside from playing in one of the more difficult divisions in the league, they have non-division games @ Chicago, @ Indianapolis, vs. Jax, and vs. Cinci just to name a few.... should be an interesting year. :shrug

[tedies]

That is because the NFL is the only sport with any hope. Just look at the NBA and hockey..bigtime downhill
Yea Football is by far the best pro-sport. Fuck the NBA

[PipeandaCrepe]

lots of people talk shit about free agency in the nfl, but i kinda like the idea and how its working out

[Tiduwho]

we'll see about that one, I do think they have a chance to win the west...al depending on alex smith, and their one competition to the north....Shaun alexander and hasselbeck should be back at full stride this season

Aww, come on now. I can't wait for the yearly Arizona Cardinals preseason bandwagon to start! I think it's been going strong for about 5 years now, and I laugh each and every time.


"But they have Denny Green now!"
"But they have old, busted down Emmitt Smith now!"
"But they have Edggerin James now!"
"But they have Matt Leinart now!"


What will it be this year? And on the subject of Edge, lmfao @ that tool. Way to get paid buddy, then suck it up on a shit team, and watch your former team win the Super Bowl. Lol, bitch.

[dmbgodagirl41]

lots of people talk shit about free agency in the nfl, but i kinda like the idea and how its working out

:lol Me too!

I had a talk with a hardcore Eagles fan last night. Seriously, honestly what the FUCK is with those fans KNOWING that their team is going to win the Super Bowl EVERY year?

And they wonder why I constantly wish that all of Philly would just burn to the ground.

[41ravens]

:lol Me too!

I had a talk with a hardcore Eagles fan last night. Seriously, honestly what the FUCK is with those fans KNOWING that their team is going to win the Super Bowl EVERY year?

And they wonder why I constantly wish that all of Philly would just burn to the ground.

yeah, i'd say about 99% of eagle's fans suck at life. i'd make it 100%, but i think there are some around here that have yet to piss me off.

[Tiduwho]

:lol Me too!

I had a talk with a hardcore Eagles fan last night. Seriously, honestly what the FUCK is with those fans KNOWING that their team is going to win the Super Bowl EVERY year?

And they wonder why I constantly wish that all of Philly would just burn to the ground.

Cubs fans have known their team was going to win the World Series in April for 99 years now...

[dmbgodagirl41]

yeah, i'd say about 99% of eagle's fans suck at life. i'd make it 100%, but i think there are some around here that have yet to piss me off.
I agree. 99% sounds about right. I mean, I'm an asshole New England/Boston fan, I know that, I understand that, I go with that. However, if I think that my team actually has a chance to be the best, I'll say it....I won't just go into every single season claiming that NE is going to be the best unless I TRULY think that.

I mentioned to him that I think the cowboys are going to be the best in the NFC East, and he pretty much called me an idiot, because CLEARLY the Eagles are going to be at the Super Bowl, so there's no way Dallas could be the best in the Division. Honestly, I think I like seeing the Eagles lose as much as I like seeing the Patriots win. Maybe not quite, but it's damn close, because I know that if Philly fans are really upset/sad, then I'm having a great day.

Cubs fans have known their team was going to win the World Series in April for 99 years now...
:lol Maybe they should try adopting the Boston frame of mind. Which is like "GO SOX, but, if we suck, is it all THAT surprising? Not really."

[icanfeeltherain]

Aww, come on now. I can't wait for the yearly Arizona Cardinals preseason bandwagon to start! I think it's been going strong for about 5 years now, and I laugh each and every time.


"But they have Denny Green now!"
"But they have old, busted down Emmitt Smith now!"
"But they have Edggerin James now!"
"But they have Matt Leinart now!"


What will it be this year? And on the subject of Edge, lmfao @ that tool. Way to get paid buddy, then suck it up on a shit team, and watch your former team win the Super Bowl. Lol, bitch.
arizona is where good players go to die....kind of like the MLS

[dmbgodagirl41]

arizona is where good players go to die....kind of like the MLS

Arizona = the Orioles of the NFL.

[icanfeeltherain]

Arizona = the Orioles of the NFL.

ZING!

[dmbgodagirl41]

ZING!

:lol not just a zing, but it's true!

[icanfeeltherain]

:lol not just a zing, but it's true!
sadly yes, and to think the O's were my favorite team since i was a kid, now the equally as horrible Nat's occupy that spot

Edit: Happy 1,000 to me!

[dmbgodagirl41]

sadly yes, and to think the O's were my favorite team since i was a kid, now the equally as horrible Nat's occupy that spot

Edit: Happy 1,000 to me!

:lol the O's are still an okay team to cheer for. They have never really had many asshole players or whatever (excpet for Sosa), so I don't think anyone really hates them.

I <3 games at Camden Yards. And YES! Happy 1k to you!

[icanfeeltherain]

:lol the O's are still an okay team to cheer for. They have never really had many asshole players or whatever (excpet for Sosa), so I don't think anyone really hates them.

I <3 games at Camden Yards. And YES! Happy 1k to you!
yea, camden yards is my favorite stadium. My dad was lucky enough to get us tickets to opening day at camden years ago. So i am lucky enough to say i was at the first ever ball game played there

[Tiduwho]

Arizona = the Orioles of the NFL.

Nah, the Orioles actually had glory years and have been good at some points.



The Cardinals haven't been good since 1948. Let me repeat that again: 59 years. They've been above .500 about once in the past 25 years, with Jake the Snake in '98.

The Orioles may be back someday, the Cardinals will always be bad. Always. And so will the Lions (who coincidentally haven't been good since 1958).

[41ravens]

all right, enough baseball.

let's get crazy and do 3-months-before-the-season playoff predictions.

nfc:
north: bears
east: cowboys
south: saints
west: seahawks

wildcard: eagles and panthers

afc:
north: ravens
east: pats
south: colts
west: chargers

wildcard: jets and titans

[icanfeeltherain]

all right, enough baseball.

let's get crazy and do 3-months-before-the-season playoff predictions.

nfc:
north: bears
east: cowboys
south: saints
west: seahawks

wildcard: eagles and panthers

afc:
north: ravens
east: pats
south: colts
west: chargers

wildcard: jets and titans

those picks are much too safe, but i tend to agree with most of them...though i think the saints wont have as good of a year this time around I would switch the panthers and saints

[icanfeeltherain]

i would probably take the titans out as well and put the bengals in their spot

[41ravens]

those picks are much too safe, but i tend to agree with most of them...though i think the saints wont have as good of a year this time around I would switch the panthers and saints

yeah, i thought about that one. i just really like the saints last year. i know they've been the joke of the league forever, but they have a decent team. and the panthers always choke.

and the titans was just for shits. i don't think they'll do it, but you never know. bengals are right up there, though.

[41ravens]

i'd also like to add that i really didn't want to pick the bears, cause i don't think they'd make the playoffs if they were in any other division. they have a pretty rough schedule and i think the losses on d might hurt them. and then there's the whole grossman being the qb thing.

[Tiduwho]

NFC:

North: Bearss, Favre is really the only conceivable competition
East: Most difficult one....if McNabb is healthy, Philly.
South: Saints, I think Bush, Brees, and Colston are only going to get better.
West: 49ers...:eek

Wilds: Panthers and Cowboys


AFC:

North: Benglas Rulz...ratbirds n tha piss&shits ain't gottit...no lie dawgs beat it
East: Pats...go Pennington though.
South: Colts
West: Chargers

Wilds: Chiefs and Jags

[Tiduwho]

i'd also like to add that i really didn't want to pick the bears, cause i don't think they'd make the playoffs if they were in any other division. they have a pretty rough schedule and i think the losses on d might hurt them. and then there's the whole grossman being the qb thing.

Which ones? They are getting back Mike Brown and Tommie Harris...and they added Archuleta.


The only losses are potential ones: Briggs being a bitch, and to a much lesser extent, Alex Brown being a whiner because a rook took his starting job.

[UNC41]

Which ones? They are getting back Mike Brown and Tommie Harris...and they added Archuleta.


The only losses are potential ones: Briggs being a bitch, and to a much lesser extent, Alex Brown being a whiner because a rook took his starting job.

Let's be honest. The Bears are getting Mike Brown back for two games before he tears his entire body.

[Tiduwho]

Let's be honest. The Bears are getting Mike Brown back for two games before he tears his entire body.

Don't worry, last year was just an unfortunate freak injury. Kinda like Rex for 3 years.

Man...after MB went down the defense took such a step back it's not even funny. When Harris went down, they weren't the same unit at all.

[CrashDMB237]

Tiduwho, you really think the Chiefs are gonna make the playoffs? I think they're dicked. I'd pick the Titans to make it over them and obviously the Jets.

[Tiduwho]

Tiduwho, you really think the Chiefs are gonna make the playoffs? I think they're dicked. I'd pick the Titans to make it over them and obviously the Jets.

Stranger things have happened...like the Saints just last year.


I'll be rooting for Chad-o though.

[tedies]

i would probably take the titans out as well and put the bengals in their spot
I think the Bengals = AFC North champs, The Ravens arn't going to be as tough as last year

[icanfeeltherain]

Which ones? They are getting back Mike Brown and Tommie Harris...and they added Archuleta.


The only losses are potential ones: Briggs being a bitch, and to a much lesser extent, Alex Brown being a whiner because a rook took his starting job.
Archuleta is garbage, as the Redskins found out last year

[icanfeeltherain]

I think the Bengals = AFC North champs, The Ravens arn't going to be as tough as last year
I think the ravens are gonna be a tough team again, this year they may actually have more of a run game than jamal lewis was able to produce last year...willis mcgahee can fly

[Tiduwho]

Archuleta is garbage, as the Redskins found out last year

Sure, but he's better than the rooks we had out there in the Super Bowl.

[emu513]

I think the ravens are gonna be a tough team again, this year they may actually have more of a run game than jamal lewis was able to produce last year...willis mcgahee can fly

Uhh. Willis isn't at Miami anymore.

[tedies]

I think the ravens are gonna be a tough team again, this year they may actually have more of a run game than jamal lewis was able to produce last year...willis mcgahee can fly
yea their run game may be a little better than last year but their offense seriously needs help. I mean they couldn't even score against the Colts in a home playoff game. They will be tough as always with that defense but I really think the Bengals can get the division win. That is if we play to potential.

[ncdude2k3]

NFC

South: Panthers
North: Bears
West: Seahawks
East: Eagles

Wildcards: Saints, Rams

Niners and Cardinals have a chance to shake things up.

AFC

South: Colts
North: Ravens
West: Chargers
East: Patriots

Wildcards: Broncos, Steelers

[icanfeeltherain]

yea their run game may be a little better than last year but their offense seriously needs help. I mean they couldn't even score against the Colts in a home playoff game. They will be tough as always with that defense but I really think the Bengals can get the division win. That is if we play to potential.
i agree the bengals can do it, but im just saying that i think the ravens will be a tough team again...and thats hard for me to say, as a redskins fan

[bothedmbfan]

NFC
South: Panthers
North: Bears
West: Rams
East: Cowgirls

Wild Card: Seahawks, Vikings

AFC
South: Colts
North: Bengals
West: Chargers
East: Patriots

Wild Card: Ravens, Broncos

[tedies]

People having the Broncos in the wildcard but no Jets? Jets>Broncos imo. Cutler is going to have some sophmore blues. They have also lost some people on D

[tedies]

i agree the bengals can do it, but im just saying that i think the ravens will be a tough team again...and thats hard for me to say, as a redskins fan
yea no doubt they will be tough, I can't stand for them to be at the head of the division, they flat out were embarrassed in the playoffs and looked like they shouldn't have even been there

[Dancing Ants]

Archuleta is garbage, as the Redskins found out last year

he'll work better in smith's system. he's a cover 2 safety.

[Tiduwho]

So Jon Kitna says the Lions are going to win 10+ games this year...


:lol :lol :lol

[PipeandaCrepe]

So Jon Kitna says the Lions are going to win 10+ games this year...


:lol :lol :lol

every year, people say its going to be the lions year. and every year, the lions have a top 7 pick

[Tiduwho]

every year, people say its going to be the lions year. and every year, the lions have a top 7 pick

Cardinals as well. Every year it's the same story.



Cardinals haven't been good since 1948.
The Lions haven't been good since 1958.

[SteelerMan]

yea their run game may be a little better than last year but their offense seriously needs help. I mean they couldn't even score against the Colts in a home playoff game. They will be tough as always with that defense but I really think the Bengals can get the division win. That is if we play to potential.

Agreed. I actually think the Bengals and Steelers will finish with better records than the Ravens. All three might make the playoffs though.

[dmbgodagirl41]

So Jon Kitna says the Lions are going to win 10+ games this year...


:lol :lol :lol

My friend told me that Kitna said that this morning. First time Lions would EVER have a break-through year :lol

[Tiduwho]

Lmao @ Michael Smith. I remember he picked the Lions to go 10 and 6 and trounce the Bears twice last year, and now he's on ESPN buying up everything Kitna said.

How typical of him. :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

Agreed. I actually think the Bengals and Steelers will finish with better records than the Ravens. All three might make the playoffs though.

Ill bet you 20 bucks 3 of the 4 teams from the AFC North won't make the playoffs. I can see 2, but not 3 of the 4.

[PipeandaCrepe]

Agreed. I actually think the Bengals and Steelers will finish with better records than the Ravens. All three might make the playoffs though.


:thumbsdow bengals are a team in disarray, steelers have a whole new system to work w/. ravens actually have a decent RB this year and their D will pick up the slack as always